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>> we were just talking about it. >> wng to morning snow. we decided thanks giving weekend needs to be six days. we need more four day weekends if you're not going to get six for thanksgiving. >> yes. some people have to work so we're all very thankful, aren't we. >> you know what carson is thankful for. >> that's funny but. >> did you see that, willie? ben carson said the refugee camps he visited over the weekend, he said the quote is really quiet nice. >> not a ritz but more like a hyatt. >> quiet nice. >> we'll get to that in a trip abroad to try and boost his foreign policy credits. >> i remember richard --
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>> i've been in the business for a while and it is a first. interestingly dr. carson said that at a time where refugee camps are out of fashion. >> yes. unlike 67 when everybody either wanted to be at a rock festival or refugee camp. yes, they are out of fashion. go ahead. >> thank you. you can't go home and what you want to do is be settled and not intent. you want to go to places like cities and towns. >> you said permanent and awful. >> all right. enough. donald trump is suppose to meet with african american leaders today. what happened? >> well, one of the people they thought, john, what happened? >> i believe that it had been publicized the day the leaders were coming here to endorse all that. >> they pushed back and said no, we're not here to endorse it,
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we're here to meet. then the meeting seemed to get unscheduled. i don't know exactly the mechanics. >> are they meeting? >> the press conference has definitely been cancelled. >> we'll be talking with him. >> we really don't know, willie. i'm not good at politics. i'm just guessing when somebody you invite to the meeting to endorse you says she's not going to because she thinks you'll erase, that good, bad. >> she added he was embarrassed and many of the pastors were
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offe offended. >> there is more trump news. he's not backing down from the plans that that are muslims in america who celebrated during the 2001 terror attacks on the world trade center. nearly 5,000 people turned out for trump in sar society at that this weekend where he expressed surprise for the uproar his comments caused. >> because i talked about muslims celebrating over in parts of new jersey and everybody knows it's true. by the way, by the way, i had hundreds of tweets and hundreds and hundreds of phone calls to my office saying mr. trump it's true. they said i saw it. so i made the stanltd a lot of people saw it. did anybody see it reported? people saw it. by the way, everybody admitted world wide the muslims were absolutely going wild.
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>> so did you see what happened on meet the press? >> before we get there. a lot to unpack just from that statement. muslims world wide, the iranians, 60,000 people show up in a candle light vigil for the united states of america after the attacks of 9/11. turkey orders flags at half mass. the condemnation from muslim countries were across the board except for su dam hussein. >> you've got something in the order of like 1.2 billion refugee muslims around the world. the poll suggests less than 10% were sympathetic to what happened on 9/11. >> by the way, there was a gallop poll as late as 2007,
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2008. >> on meet the press, the super double down, he talked more about thousands celebrating after chuck hod pointed out there were reports calling those things rumors. >> where did you see this? >> chuck, i saw it on television and so did many other people. >> in jersey city? >> i also heard patterson. i've heard jersey city, patterson, it was 14 years ago. i saw it on television and saw clips. >> if i said well, people have said mr. trump is not worth $10 billion and people were saying, you would say that's crazy. you wouldn't make a business deal based on retweets and hearsay. you're running for president of the united states.
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take it easy chuck. just play cool. >> i suspect that's what he's thinking of. i haven't seen the jersey city video. we've had mayors and law enforcement and witnesses say they didn't see it in any of these towns. it's a bizarre state of affairs when we're still talking about what happened on roof tops 14 yea years ago. >> it's insanity and a circular argument. there's no facts out there that suggest this happened. the one part of the arab world that celebrated the attacks were
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the palestinians. >> i think it's the same part of the world that supported su dam hussein and kuwait. >> so the question is, john, why is the political world talking 14 years later about what happened on a roof top? allegedly. >> because they keep making assertions that are not out by any facts. >> why is he doing this? >> we've not seen an example so far with a possible deception in the debate when he apologized to carly for something he said to her. it's not what's been factually changed by reporters and others. he thinks that if he continues to, packing down, the apologizing and admitting error
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is a sign of weakness he's not been pun herbed for in the pass standing by assertions or not proven to be true. i think he's continuing to do what works. it is unfair to say we're all obsessing what happened on a roof top 14 years ago. i think the reason it continues to be a story is it's thoroughly debunked now and he continues to double down and quadruple down on it and the question broadly speaking not just with donald trump but all lot of candidatess can you get away with saying things that are false or is there a price to pay for that? in the old world politics, you had to apologize and stand down and there was political cost for lying over and over again. this moment in our politics, they seem to be able to get away with saying things false.
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i think that's why the story came alive. >> new rules, if you say something that's false, double down. a lot of people would like to think this is contained to donald trump. carly fiorina said something that was false about a planned parenthood video. she did not back down. hillary clinton says things we watch her say about e-mails and
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we laugh while the tape is rolling because it's pattonly false. you use to have to back down from false statements. now you double down and get rewarded for it. >> we have more fat checkers than ever before. it's not like there's any, it use to be there's the new york times and a couple big newspapers and broadcast outlets. you have all these heated verses of reality where there's left wing websites and right wing websites and everyone gets to pick their reality. if you're carly, you say look, i see it reported. for people who want to believe it's donald trump, fiorina, whoever it is.
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>> it's their end, richard haas, lies the problem. the very people attacking dond trump for saying things that are false. i'll make this for a quick example, i didn't lose a second sleep over it, we're saying false things about me, about this reporter that donald trump supposedly knocked. the great irony of this gawker story suggesting i was laughing
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at this guy's disability when none of us knew this guy had a disability, so they're now making stuff up too and they have it. there's so much information. there is such an overload but there's no officials anymore. people just lie. whether it's on the left or right and they double down. >> exactly right. two things going on. one is people are continuing to play to their base. their base is insensitive to the facts. second of all, as you say, there's no gate dekeepers on th media. it means everybody can find the media they want to force their political agenda and that's what we're saying. >> and here in lies the problem. hillary clinton, most americans believe was not truthful about the e-mails.
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>> also going to be changed by the republican side. we have two candidates that can get by saying oh, it's a right wing vast conspiracy. >> you can add ben carson to that list too. a guy who can say something and go to his supporters and say the media does not understand us. they can't stand the idea of someone like us being in the white house. the establishment doesn't want us there.
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i think when politicians have spent generations attacking the main stream media and able to say anything i contradict what they say, they're out to get us. so now you have a reality where the press is this great foil for any politician and anything they say however untrue can be blamed. >> isn't that crazy, you're exactly right. hilly clinton's camp before kevin mccarthy gave them an early christmas perresent, theye attacking the new york times. this has been a good year for the new york times. i'm serious because they have been, some tough reporting on front runners on the left and on the right. >> you know, there's a lot of us
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in the business who feel like you're being attacked by people on the far left and far right they're doing a good job. i'm sure the times feels in a weird way being indicated. >> it could be a good chance to show you're apologetic. he demanded apology from him in the paper. take a look. >> people that have disability, people that have a difficulty, i cherish that. these are incredible people. i want to put that to rest. i didn't know him. it's possible, probable i met him someone along the line. ideal with reporters every day.
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many of them i never see. many i know by name although i don't remember his name and do have a great memory but i will tell you i don't know him and he's going he knew me. give me a break and the problem is he's using what he's got to such a horrible degree. i think it's disgraceful and i think the new york times frankly should give me an apology. i would love to have the apology before they go out of business. i would love that. >> there we go again. >> there we go again. the times, do we know tdonald trump knew the reporter? >> he covered him for a long time at the daily news. the interesting thing, trump's
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own statements in the context of criticizing the guy suggested he knew the guy. he said at one point he's a nice guy and then he said you should see this guy before he made the hand gesture people say was making fun of the disability. the phrases trump used suggested he knew the person and now he's saying he didn't know the person. >> we were watching that and thought it was like the belt buckle thing. he was over the top and a couple of days everybody says he's making fun of him. >> i thought he was mocking the weakness of a newspaper reporter. i didn't know who had written the piece. >> at 8:00 we're going to have a programming announcement on chris christie.
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>> also, the president in paris. >> yes. >> and he may be holding a press conference on climate change conference. >> there is a lot of news to cover. republican presidential candidate konandonald trump joins the conversation. anti abortion rhetoric and ugly scene in paris as police clash with protesters. we'll go live to chris jansing there. first, bill karens with a check on the forecast. >> it was a great thanksgiving weekend. west coast and east coast. for all counties because of the ice storm over the weekend, at one point a hundred thousand
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people without power. we still have a couple thousand people waiting to get their power on. that was storm one. now we have storm number two. another winter storm knocking on the door through the region. we have heavy snow spreading to the north today. minneapoli minneapol minneapolis, 6-8 inches of snow. that's a lot of snow early in the season. the other story is the rain through the morning. a lot rain in the carolinas and tennessee. that will sneak up through the mid-atlantic and north east. if you're in the middle of the country you're dealing with winter weather and nasty travel. east coast, get that umbrella ready. more morning joe when we come back.
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president obama is in paris
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where he joins 150 world orders for climate change. he arrived at the summit early this morning and going to announce new initiative. he landed in paris last night and made his first start at the memorial. the president left a single white flower to honor the victims of terror attacks that took place just over two weeks ago. before the president's arrival, hundreds of climate change protesters clashed with police. some demonstrators were seen throwing bottles and rocks at officers. police responded with tier gas. according to france, his interior minister, 174 people jailed. this protest one of thousands planned as part of the global climate march.
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>> reporter: let's start with what happened here. this is intense negotiations trying to come to a deal that involved every country to reduce emissions and deal with climate change. the white house has been trying to moderate expectations twice before. they looked for a deal and didn't work out. they think this time they're going to make some progress. bill gates is going to be here along with the president to research energy. this is the first high level meeting we've seen. they're representing the two
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countries. the protest yesterday started out as a way for people to support what's going on here and try to get action on the climate change. police made 341 arrest. >> i didn't schris, thank you v. richard, what do you think the most prevalent deals emerge out of here? >> this is the 21st of these. it's been going on for decades ft this is a bottom up
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agreement. today if you can come up with alternatives, more efficient things then that's the place you'll end up. >> it seems as the two countries that china submits almost twice as much as we do and india has been dragging their feet for some time. china actually released a report. you probably saw the same story i saw where the government
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talked about the dangers that climate change poses to china. at much, much different attack than we've seen from china in the past. >> the reason is people in china get up in the morning. you can see the measurements of the air quality. this has become a political issue in china. china's admitted by 2030 they'll peak their emissions of carbon. >> china can't become the world's leading power and can't get the best and brightest in china if they don't mix this problem. i hear it from one after another who tells me they're actually having difficulty getting their best and brightest to move there. >> yeah, but china also faces on the other side of the coin so
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much of their political legitimacy has been from high levels of economic growth and employment this is a dilemma. on the other hand, how do you keep economic growth which has been the fueler, if you will, of political and economic stability. china has a dilemma and trying to figure it out. where as china is talking about goals by 2030 and made side commitments, india saying -- >> by the way, their leaders are saying it's up to the rich countries to worry about that. we fuelled our growth and rise on fossil fuels and now they're going to do the same thing. >> that's what wrecked the last climate conference. >> must read opinion pages are next. stay with us for that. proud of you, son.
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33 past the hour. in colorado the governor is now calling friday's shooting a form of terrorism. it comes as we continue to learn more about robert louis deer, the suspect police say was responsible for killing three and wounding nine in a stand off that lasted five hours.
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meanwhile, authorities are unsure what led the gun tacker to the facility. deer said quote, no more baby parts in reference to planned parent hood. deer said many things to law enforcement after his ars making it difficult to assign a specific motivation. we're also learning more about the victims this morning. among them a police officer, an iraq war veteran and a mother of two. nbc news national correspondent is in colorado springs with more on this. migel. >> reporter: mika, the investigation is still on going and law enforcement tells us they can be here another week. this has we learn more about a suspected gunman and possible motive. after he was taken into custody, a law enforcement source says robert deer rambled about
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president obama saying no more baby parts. the 57-year-old lived off the grid in this small trailer with a woman 65 miles away from the crime scene. >> he looked skroun ji and roughed up but everyone does that here. >> he's not real person tablespoon. >> before moving to colorado he lived in this shack where he had no water or suer system. he once warned a neighbor to put a metal roof on his home so the government couldn't spy on him. families of the victims have no answers. jennifer, identified toed as one of the dead her father writing i
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lost you in a senseless shooting. stewart, an iraq veteran and father of two lost his life waiting on his girl friend. >> tears of the church he attended, swasey was a former champion figure skater who trained with nancy kerr arigan. >> elijah's birthday is tomorrow, he turns 11. i know it's going to be hard for him every year knowing this is when it happened. >> planned parent hood says they were the target of the shooting because they offer abortion services. >> we need to get past that. >> tonight police warn an official motive for the mass
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shooting, answers for the victim's families may not come for some time. >> reporter: though the investigation is still on going, law enforcement says they're no longer talking to the suspect. he'll face a judge monday and face official charges from the d.a. within the next 10 days. mika. >> nbcsthank you. still ahead, did ted cruz shut down the government? what jeb bush reporters are whispering about marco rubio. we'll be right back with much more morning joe. i've been called a control freak...
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run the government. we're still seeing the disastrous effects of the last such choice. governor christie is right for these dangerous times. he's prosecuted terrorist and dealt with major disasters. the one reason he may be best suited to leave during these times is because he tells it like it is and isn't shy about it. this comes after the new york times reported last week christie's campaign was gaining steam with the candidate connecting with voters in emotional moments like this one. >> there will be days you'll see me on tv as president and say oh god, i cannot believe he said that. i hope there's other days you say thank god someone finally said that. it goes both ways. you get the whole package. you don't get part and you need to know when the prices come across the desk who the person is sitting there and what's in
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here. that's who i am. so when hurricane sandy came to my state, no one had to wonder what my first priority was. it was the people of my state. that's the people who elected me and those are the people who deserve my absolute loyalty and effort and wisdom. every day. to rebuild the state after losing 365,000 homes in 24 hours. when the next country comes you don't have to wonder. >> you open up an extra wedge under the republicans with national security versions national privacy. he came down on the side we have to allow nsa and others do more
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domestically and obviously, that was a shot against tedcruz and others. >> chris christie is playing by the rules. town hall meetings, face to face meetings. he's doing everything right by the play book. is that going to matter in 2016? >> it's hard to say. there's no doubt there's going to be at some point some kind of establishment candidate around the large chunk of the party that's not in the camp of donald trump and ben carson. christie basically done the john mccain thing and laid it all on the line in new hampshire. he has some movement there. it's not clear to me you can
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pick among those three or four candidates in terms of whose going to be the ultimate establishme establishment. >> all right. all right. all right. >> all right. at 8:00 this morning we're going to have a special programming announcement about morning joe and governor chris christie. thank you. >> let's go to republican john mccain and lindsey graham of south carolina. thank you for being with us. you're talking about looking at isis and how it's growing and developing in iraq and syria as
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well. >> i think it's very unfortunately, not a lot of progress. we will see probably the retaking of -- from isis but there's other indications this is a long hard struggle and the president of the united states still does not have an overall strategy for the region. this is putting band-aids on bleeding areas. there's no overall strategy and isis continues to grow. we're in a long hard struggle. >> senator, are you willing to give up on the idea having u.s. policy follow through the central government in baghdad and have us work with the kurds and soonny tribes in the west of
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iraq? >> i think we have to, to a significant degree, we can't ignore the central government. we think he's a goodman but the iranian influence is incredibly strong here and the iranian influence has probably hampered a lot of evidence and more arrangements by the united states as far as we're concerned. >> lindsey, the president has obviously said that isis was contained. tell us what you're seeing on the ground there that would lead you to believe otherwise.
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a large city in the hands of isil. you can't fix iraq without dealing with syria. the story that's not being talked about they pick up the hometown in libya. we need a regional strategy and we don't have one. >> lindsey, you mentioned the key missing factor which is a ground partner in syria. what is your thinking about the best way to generate one and how many more u.s. troops are you thinking it will take to require and make it valuable on the ground there? >> i think we'll know more about what's left in syria soon. i believe this for two years,
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the region is in a different spot. isil is a threat to the kingdom and turkey and they have an interest in destroying isil and an interest in making sure iran doesn't control damascus. we don't need a large western army. let's put the region out front this time and make them pay for the war. without that, i don't see how we take raqqah back. there's nobody left in syria that can do the job in my view. >> sensors mccain and graham, thank you both for being on the show this morning. coming up, donald trump has steered clear of attacking cruz and christie. are the gloves coming off? the presidential front runner joins us live in just a few
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it seems like everybody in the community is spending more time saying how can we bring refugees here rather than how can we support a facility that's already in place. jordan could take a lot more of the refugees than they're taking now. i don't see any reason quiet frankly some of the other nations shouldn't be asked to can it so you don't have to go through a big cultural change with them. in terms of money, when i looked at the refugee camps in jordan, there's about a three billion dollar short fall annually. that's how much money we spent-year on halloween candy. is it something that can be done? you know, if we bring 10,000 or 25,000 of them to the united states, that's not solving a
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problem. that's a band kad. that's not what we want to do. >> presidential candidate ben carson on a surprise visit to jordan. he worked with the refugees. he said the syrians had rather stay where they are calling the refugee camps quiet nice. >> quiet nice. he said something that made me flinch and that's jordan should take more refugees. he has been concerned about his survival. >> first you had the palestinian refugees and the iraqi refugees and now you got millions of people in turkey and lebanon and overwhelming the countries of the region. >> interesting take dr. carson has. still with us we have manager
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editor of bloomberg politics and joining the kwesh sags in washington political reporter from the washington post, robert costa. >> the most preciseful. >> who knows? >> it was a delicious word salad tossed together. >> you ask the same question to costa. >> he's great. >> he'll answer. >> he's a reporter. if robert doesn't know he's going to seek it. >> robert, here's a question. we're seeing chris christie's endorsement and seeing him get a new york times piece and a lot of people on the ground both you and i know and the new hampshire republican party are saying he's doing everything right. now is chris christie going to do in new hampshire? >> the problem with christie, i connected with the campaigns over the weekend, it remains
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crowded. trying to compete for the same space christie is competing for. >> you took 30 minutes. he goes in and he's got a scaffold. >> there has to be even when donald is playing defense, there has to be such great frustration in every republican campaign because he sucks all the energy out of the room good, bad and different for the past five days, nothing but trump. how frustrating is that for bush, rubio, kasich, christie, carly, everybody who wants to get attention? >> we talk about all these people rising from new hampshire. whose at the top of the polls?
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donald trump. ted cruz running an organized group in iowa. trump shows no signs of abaiting. >> john. >> it's the question. >> what's you? >> i say he's been frustrating these guys for five months, not five days. this is the story of our time basically donald trump dominating the bolls and everyone in the world who says he'll eventually go down, i think it's plausible he'll be the republican nominee. no one has laid out a scenario in which he'll stop. >> this weekend is like so many weekendens in the past. i've seen three or four where
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chuck is similarly put off by donald trump and the existence of donald trump and what donald trump said because we're talking about the old rules verses the new rules, i wasn't sure a lot of other people are as well. it only seems to feed the machine. the trump machine. good, bad and different, he dominates the conversation. >> there are two separate things you talk about, the first is the facts in the merit. the other side of it is the political question does it'd impact or hurt donald trump. the answer has been no. >> let's talk to donald trump. joining us now, republican presidential candidate donald trump. >> you have to get the facts also. in sar society at that y
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in sarasota you said 5,000 and it was 12,000. we have to get our facts straight, mika. >> oh, thank you. all right donald. >> we have a lot to get through. we have a lot of people who want to get through things. let's start with willie. a jersey native. you're not getting your facts right. 12,000, not 5,000. >> donald, let me ask you first, senator john mccain, had him on earlier. yesterday he was asked about the rhetoric and things you've said. he said this has the effect of turning muslims all over the state of america, other people have said that as well. does john mccain have a point? >> i don't think he has a point. i would say we are not exactly
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loved by any muslims. whether it's a much larger percent, you saw the soccer game where they were giving a minute of silence. i assume you saw that where the stadium burst out and shouting out things that even the soccer players were embarrassed of and didn't know what to do. they were doing muslim chants a week ago after the strategy in paris. they were honored with a minute of silence. i think john mccain is incorrect. i think we have to be strong. i have many muslim friends. we have to be individuvigilant
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strong. >> we don't paint an entire religion based on the chance of a few people. >> not a few people. a lot of people at that soccer game were going wild with their chanting. everybody was very embarrassed. we're not talking about a few people. >> what's the purpose of all this? >> you said people went wild after 9/11 and muslims went wild. >> well, think did. >> whether it's iran or you look at every muslim government in the world other than the palestinians. they were holding candle light vigils and holding prayer services. >> i'm not saying everybody, but there's a large percentage of people that went wild and were celebrating all over the world. i think people have to recognize it. there were a large number of people who celebrated the downs
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of the world trade center. you're bringing this up. it keeps getting brought up. you can go back just last week in the soccer game during the one minute of silence in honor of the people that were absolutely slaughtered, disgustingly slaughtered in that horrible thing that took place in paris. you seen what happened. it was not a pretty situation. the question is as we have so many issues to talk about, why is that important to you? why are you bringing that up in rallies? why is that relevant to voters that will vote in iowa and new hampshire? >> it is important because you have to know the problems. we have a president that won't even mention the term or the name. i don't know what his problem is. nobody understands it. he won't mention radical islamic terrorism. it can be from a different
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planet. you're not going to solve the problem unless you're willing to talk about what the problem is. i'm willing to talk about what the problem is. chuck todd, nice guy, he goes a little bit wild on the show which hopefully he did well in the ratings. i'm sure he did actually. he brings it up, you're bringing it up this morning. we have to know what the problem is before we can solve the problem. these are people that don't know what the problem is. they don't want to admit what the problem is. it's not politically correct to admit what the problem is, joe. >> that is a fair point. we are the ones asking and chuck is the one asking. >> its come up in your speeches. i guess we could start by asking this way. how would you characterize most muslims? >> terrific people, mika. i have many, many friends but
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within the muslim american community and within the muslim community, we have some very radical people who want to do great harm to you and to joe and everybody in your panel and to me and to this country and the world. now, we can say this doesn't exist and everybody will be very happy but it does exist. wonderful people. i know so many of them. by the way, the ones i know all agree with me. they say there is a radical group of people that is doing great harm and doing great harm to them. they get tainted by what's going on. >> i think the constant beating of saying this video of this celebration exist when it's really in question, donald, is just, it's going to have a negative impact. >> so mika, look, let's put it to rest.
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here's the story. number one, look at the washington post. he interviewed me a couple of times 35 years ago in the 80s. then all the sudden i knew him. look, i don't know some reporters that are covering me yesterday. i see their name, i see their biline, i don't know what they look like. supposedly he interviewed me in the 80s. it's possibly true. i've been interviewed by thousands and thousands of people. we're talking about 35 years ago. i don't know the guy. forget that. if you don't address the problem and don't know what the problem is, you're never going to solve the problem. this world has a big problem and we have a president that doesn't even want to call it by its correct name. we have to get with it. it's simple. >> i would say that's, you can talk about that.
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i think that's a potentially effective conversation. >> that's what i'm talking about. there's a level of hatred within a certain community, the muslim community. there's a level of hatred people don't want to talk about. >> is it a, do you believe it is a small, small percentage? >> you mentioned before it could be 10%. that's a lot, joe. 10%, you were saying it's only 7%. maybe 10%. 10%, 7%, 2% is a lot when you're talking about the kind of destruction they want to do. >> by the way, those that weren't with us at the 6:00 hour, there's a poll from 07-08 that said 7%, 8% of muslims across the world thought that the 9/11 attacks were across the
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world. >> do you think islam is a percentage converted by some or do you think it's a violent religion? >> all i can say, jeb, is something going on. something's going on. there was no respect by a pretty good group of people in that stadium. that was a week ago. less than a week ago. there's something nasty comeing out of there. you can answer it any way you
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want. at least we have to know the problem. >> let's go to richard haas. before we go to richard haas, most americans, would they not, agree with what donald is saying right now about even if it's a small percentage it's a danger. the press can fight donald but at the end of the day it helps him in primaries. >> i don't worry about it. i'm not looking for help. whether i win or lose, i'm not doing this for that. i'm doing it because somebody has to bring it to the floor and nobody does it and we have a leader whose incompetent and he doesn't do it and doesn't want to do it and refuses to use the name and it's almost like what do you have to do, what has to be done to have him finally utter the words that he should be uttering to talk about what
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the real problem is? he won't do it. a lot of people supporting him wonders why he won't do that. >> he can speak for himself. he doesn't want to frame it as a religious issue. >> do you have a problem calling it islamic extremism. >> there is. i think what donald trump said there's a small percentage that can cause real mayhem as we saw in paris. only a few people can cause mayhem in a democratic society. even if 99% of the people on the right side of the law, even small numbers can cause real damage. donald, if you were president right now and other in paris, what is it you would be trying to do on climate change and
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trying to prevent if you were leading the united states at the conference? >> well, first of all, i think one of the dumbest statements i've heard in politics in the history of politics as i know it which is pretty good was obama's statement is our number one problem is global warming. when we have large groups of people that want to blow up parts of our cities and destroy our country and kill our people, he's worried about global warming. it's one of the dumbest things i've ever seen. he's somewhat naive if you want go know the truth beyond the tin competent part. his statement the other day, we're going to show him when we meet that we mean business for the future and global warming and climate change or whatever the new term is, now we have extreme weather, they have new
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terms because the old ones don't work anymore. they have climate change and now extreme weather. i don't know which one of the many terms he used all supposedly meaning the same thing. for him to say that that's more important than stopping countries like north carolina which is never even mentioned, they made one of the worst deals in history. iran probably doesn't have nuclear weapons roothight now. what about north korea. when you have something you don't want to do, you don't mention it. you don't want to do it and talk about it. >> what's your plan on climate change. >> that's what my thing on climate change is. we want to have clean air to breathe and beautiful clean
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water. >> clean air and clean water is an environmental issue. >> i receive many environmental awards. they hate to see the awards. i receive some of the high awards and many of them for the work i've done, joe knows some of it but many of them and to be honest with you, i think it's very important that if you're developing, if you're building, if you have factories, remember this, we're practically not allowed to use coal anymore. what do we do with it? we ship it to china and they spew it in the air. they're putting out their coal and unbelievable what they're spewing into the air. we have a planet and it's a certain size. whether it's us putting it into the air or china, when you get up that high, it's all the same thing. they're not behaving at all as they never do and they produce their goods much less expensively because they don't
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have the rules and regular lati having to do with clean air. when you look at what happens with our coal, they don't use it. the industry shatters. what does get used is getting shipped to china and they're spewing it into the air. if you're talking about global warming or climate change, you have to make the whole world behave. you don't say we're going to behave and make it noncompetitive. >> robert with the washington post is with us. >> good morning. mr. trump rk, later today you'r going to go into a meeting with a group of african american pastors at trump tower. i would like to know your message to them on two key issues. the black lives matter movement. >> all lives matter.
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i was told it was an endorsement. i think having a meeting is a good thing anyway. there were quiet a few. i think what happened, probably publicity, probably some of the black lives matter folks called them up and said you shouldn't be meeting with trump because he believes all lives matter. hillary and bernie, he talks about all lives matter and then goes into a shell and comes back oh black lives matter. he was a disgrace. i think what happened is a lot of pressure was put on him. i have a meeting and have no idea what the meeting is. i'm going to a meeting and have a great relationship with the black pastors. i know many of them.
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we'll see what happens. i don't know if it's an endorsement or endorsement by some. i have fantastic relationships with the people but i think pressure was put on them when they heard there was a meeting by people who disagree. >> donald, let's get to other topics quickly. a couple of people have moved up in the polls and now buying for second place. cruz and rubio. do you think ted cruz is qualified to be president of the united states? >> yes, i think he's qualified. absolutely. >> what about marco rubio? >> yeah, i think so. he's young, very young. he's got a bad voting record in florida and a weak record on borders if you look at border security and illegal immigration. that bothers me. he's a nice guy and i've gotten to know him. i like him. i think he would have a shot. >> so you're critical and we're
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shei showing the poll in iowa. >> they've been saying that for five months. >> time to drop out. >> yeah, it is time for you to drop out. >> yeah, as joe would say uh-oh, trump just picked up the points. time for him to drop out. time to quit. >> you talked about marco supporting amnesty, you don't say things about ted cruz. a lot of people concerned ted cruz is closer rand paul. do you think he's too weak on national security? >> i've been watching this debate between rubio and cruz
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and i loved it. >> i air on the side of the security. i happen to be and i've been there from the beginning from before the paris attack. i air on the side of the security. i would much rather air on the side of the security. a lot of people would agree with me on that. >> do you think there's any chance that video you think you saw in jersey city was the video of people in the west bank
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celebrating september 11th? >> i don't. wonderful you brought it up again. this is why you can't get away from the subjects. >> we did. we just spent 15 minutes. >> 14 years ago i saw it on television. it was written about, even the reporter who says he knows me, but the reporter wrote a paragraph that he tries to pull back from in the washington post. forget that. i have received hundreds of calls and tweets from people. >> why can't anyone find the video? >> they're going to find something. 14-15 years ago it wasn't like it is today where you press a button and play a video. 14-15 years ago they didn't put it in files. they destroy half the stuff. 14-15 years was like ancient times in terms of cinema and
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everything else. when you go back 14-15 years, that's like ancient technology, joe. j we've got all the newscast. we had 24 hour. >> i have received hundreds of calls saying they saw it. this is not two calls. this is hundreds of calls. i've received many, many tweets @realdonaldtrump. when i was in sarasota i had people say we watched people celebrating in the streets. >> all right. donald trump, we'll leave it there. thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> thank you very much, mika. >> thank you, donald. all right. john, what's your take?
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>> well, this network existed, fox news existed. >> i will tell you what i heard and mika and i were saying this while it was going on. i seen a guy stronger than he's ever been. >> there is this question and carl, as you guys know was out last week talking about his book and he kept pointing to the fact we all have noted it's not quiet true trump gets stronger and stronger than ever. he's been at the very top of the polls for the past five months but not gotten much above 35 so
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far. >> 35% is enough to win when there's that many in the race. the question is what happens other the course, as time plays out, the field will, people will drop out. what happens to the other 65%? can he win enough delegates early before the rest of the field consolidates. that's one of the questions going forward. in a fractured field, 35% wins. in a one on one race it doesn't.
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>> success breeds success. for me, the question is what happens if he wins the nomination? then it impose to the general nomination where large parts of the population wouldn't vote for him. whose going to win those southern delegates and be in for the long haul? >> trump is strong in the south. south carolina, georgia, alabama, mississippi.
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>> that's why i say if he wins iowa and new hampshire and when he goes south, the south is his strongest region. >> could be an interesting convention. >> oh my gosh, robert, thank you very much. and still ahead morning joe. >> i think you'll see a rebellion within the republican party if it moves forward this way. >> as republicans try to win back the white house, author -- gets access to -- you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back. this holiday season, get ready for mystery. what's in the trunk? nothing. romance. 18 inch alloys. you remembered. family fun. everybody squeeze in. don't block anyone. and non-stop action. noooooooo! it's the event you don't want to miss. it's the season of audi sales event. get up to a $2,500 bonus for highly qualified lessees on select audi models.
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the wilderness deep inside the republican party's quest to take back the white house. this is great to have you here. what a crazy year politically where everyone is flying upside down. you time it all. >> i think if you looked at when barack obama was elected in 2008 a lot of conservatives,
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republicans said that it was, they could talk it up to a fluke and say this was a charismatic candidate. you saw a lot of conservatives pin their hopes on that. i think 2012 when you had a fairly weak income want when convincingly re-election was the moment when the republican party reached this moment when they were like what are we going to do? the book follows this cast of rising stars and trying to lay out their vision of the party. >> when you talk about the republican version of what we republicans accuse democrats of having bush derangement syndrome, eight years of bush drove democrats crazy and eight years of obama driving the republicans crazy. we don't have anything else in politics. we can't win the white house, we can't win the big one. part of the reason is republicans have been so
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maddened by barack obama. >> i think there's fringes in politics on the right side. it's interesting to see how each of them react. >> you don't have a good relationship. >> i have a great relationship. >> this conversation has been far too high minded. i would like to discuss jeb bush and marco rubio, please. please tell us what you know about rumors that the bush people you say try to start about marco rubio and how they felt about jeb bush of all people making those claims. >> it started in 2009.
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charlie preston and the republican establishment were believed by the rubio camp to be spreading rumors of infidelity and mistresses. people have heard those rumors but they don't make it to the press. after they heard the election an the rumors were flying around, the rubio camp investigated. they sent a private investigator down to florida. they did operation research on him. fast forward to this race and you have jeb bush at least allegedly according to the rubio camp and a lot of people in florida spreading those same rumors. when jeb realized rubio was serious about running, a lot of his allies aggressively circulated those rumors about the zipper problem to donors and politicals. obviously, that didn't happen. those rumors continue to swirl
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around. >> they found that a little hypocritical because obviously, anyone whose in florida or followed jeb's governor jeb knows there were plenty of rumors about jeb's own alleged fidelities too. nothing of substance came out. these are all unsubstantiated. you talk to people in the rubio camp and some of them believe that the reason they're so persistent with rubio and not jeb is because of his race. there's a stereo type of a good looking latino man and you can hear a lot of them grumble about that. >> you also report about donald trump's relationship with conservative groups. cpac being one of them and them buying their love in some cases. what did you find? >> after 2013 he spoke to cpac and a lot of conservatives were upset about it. they didn't want, this is after his years of leading the drum.
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they didn't want him at the next conference and including members of the board. they said we don't want trump to speak in 2014. i report that trump took the head of the board at the time to his compound in palm beach and kind of wined and dined him and wrote a $50,000 check and he was back in the speaking slot. now, i should say he confirms the donation, confirms the trip and says it had nothing to do with trump speaks. >> he confirms the donation and the wining and dining. >> but you know, he's entertainientertai entertaining is what he said. we like having entertaining figures. >> we got to go. the republican establishment, what are they going to do when donald trump starts winning primaries? >> it's going to, it could very well happen. >> hashtag war. >> the establishment is panicking if you talk to people. it's a matter of what can they
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now for a climate change summit. joining us from capitol hill u.s. secretary of energy. good to have you on board. >> thank you, mika. i guess first of all, what do you hope will be accomplished and what's in falling at the wayside in given these talks? >> i think there's two major goals. first of all, today, president obama and 19 other senior leaders announce an important technology innovation. we believe energy technology and innovation will be critical for meeting our targets and addressing at the same time climate change, prosperity. of course, at the end of the two weeks of negotiation we see a strong agreement coming up based upon the commitments that have already been made by 200 countries for emission
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reductions but also hopefully including other features such as the ability and the commitment to renew those pledges. >> so mr. secretary, what are you saying when you have the prime minister of india saying that this is a rich country's problem that we fuelled our rise on carbon fuels and they should be able to do the same thing? how do we take the india challenge? >> well, first of all, prime minister has been one of the prime drivers along with president obama and president hollande of france with the innovation initiative. as we drive down the cost of energy technologies, we will all be able to be more ambitious in
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future. >> how do we drive down the cost? as you know, it is right now traditional carbon fuels are cheaper to transport. how do we make it feasible? >> first of all, we keep driving our innovation agenda and have evidence of this. in the united states just over the last six years the cost of wind, solar, electric vehicle batteries and l.e.d. lighting have fallen. the deployments have gone up if i a fact or of three, 200 for l.e.d. lighting. keep driving the cost down and do that for all the technologies, the ones i mentioned and others like advanced safe nuclear technology. the deployments go up and we'll all be aebl to meet even f-- ab
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more aggressive goals. >> thank you so much. we want to bring in israel's minist minister, the senior coalition. in a resent bet for the wall street journal, he draws a parallel between the fight against isis and the violence facing israel during the second. it reads in part this. europe, the u.s. and their allies can defeat. the next is drones and stand off missiles will not be enough. it's a model for how terror can be defeated. the number of civilian lives saved will be much higher.
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>> we have the first question asked by richard haas. >> i think they were talking about the college football playoffs. >> very impressive. >> thank you. >> as they said before, we need a partner on the ground in syria. do you think it's possible to get them to put in forces or do you think the united states needs to somehow find or build a local partner on the ground in syria? what would be your recommendation? >> the first thing to understand is terror can be defeated. my estimation is a concerted effort of 50-60,000 soldiers on the ground, isis can be defeated within 10 weeks.
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two main cities of raqqah, it can be defeated. as i lernt with my own soldiers 10 years ago we were 130 israelis were killed in march of 2002 alone. we felt helpless. we felt there is nothing we can do. then the government made the decision, we hunted down the terrorists in their homes, in their bases, dug them out at 3 a.m., interrogated them -- >> where would the 50,000, 60,000 soldiers come from? >> most would be local forces. i'm not in the business of telling america what to do, i'm just telling you our own
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lessons. the drones are hitting the supply trucks, that's good. but that will not bring down isis. no way. they've got a stable enough economic base to sustain themselves and their goal, their motto is endure and grow. they just need to hold tight and grow to realize their vision. >> the president says they're contained. are they contained? >> we have to understand their vision. their vision is simple, islamic state. to have a global islamic state in paris and tel aviv. their goal is to hunker down as necessary, wait for the west to go down a bet on the pressure. and gradually, it might take 20 years, it might take 200 years. we have to defeat them. i think they are growing at this
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time. >> you're minister of education. are you worried that a big part of your own population might catch, if you will, the fever of isis? >> actually, quite the contrary is happening. the only country where we're seeing almost neglibible -- negligible is israel. we're not perfect, we have our host of issues but it's looking good. >> the obama administration says the bomb strikes is been relentless in syria. do you think the united states right now is doing enough in the fight against isis? >> i think air strikes in and of
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itself are not enough generally. we tried that in gaza, it doesn't work. we tried it in the west bank, it doesn't work, until we entered 10,000 israeli soldiers. within a month and a half we brought down terror at 80% and now we're at zero suicide bombers. we felt there was no way to win and we won. with terrorists you're in one of two situations -- either they're being killed or they're killing. and you have to go on the offensive. it's not an easy thing to do and i was at harm's way and so were my friends but there's no way around it. >> so you believe large numbers of american troops need to be on the ground? >> notes inly american troops. it need to be committed troops because isis are very determined, very persistent.
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as long as they have the two city there is as an inspiration of endurance. you have the 16-year-old saying the whole world is trying to wipe out isis. you have inspiration. people think terror is a result of despair. i dispute that. terror is the result of hope, the hope of creating a grand caliphate. >> thank you for being on the show this morning. >> thank you very much. >> we'll be back in just a moment.
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>> we were talking about it. we decided thanksgiving weekend needed to be six days. and we need a will the more four-day weekends if we're not going to six days for thanksgiving. >> you know what ben carson is thankful for? the refugee camps. the quote is, he gave them three and a half stars, really quite night. >> not the ritz but more like the hyatt. >> there is more trump news. he's not backing down from the claims he made all through last week that there were muslims in america who openly celebrated during the 2001 terror attacks on the world trade center.
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remember that one? nearly 5,000 people, look at this crowd, turned out for trump in sarasota this weekend, where he expressed surprise for the uproar his comments caused. >> because i talked about muslims that were celebrating over in parts of new jersey, and everybody knows it's true. and by the way, by the way, i had hundreds of tweet and hundreds and hundreds of phone calls to my office saying, mr. trump, it's true! they said i saw it. so i made the statement and a lot of people saw it. did anybody see it report it? people saw it. by the way, everybody admits worldwide the muslims were absolutely going wild. >> so did you see what happened on "meet the press"? >> hold on, a lot to unpack just for that statement. muslims worldwide, the iranians, 60,000 people show up at a candlelight vigil for the united
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states of america after the the attacks of 9/11,turkey orders their flags at half mast. the condemnation across the nation were across the board except for saddam hussein. you have 1.2 billion muslims from around the world. the polls suggest that less than 10% were at all sympathetic to what happened on 9/11, 90% repudiated. >> there's a gallup poll that said only 7% of muslims thought that the attacks were completely justified, across the entire world. >> on "meet the press," he super doubled down. he talked more about his assertions that thousands celebrated in new jersey that after chuck todd pointed out there was a complete lack of evidence and reports at the time
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calling those things rumors. >> where did you see this? >> chuck, i saw it on television. so did many other people. >> you saw jersey city -- >> i also heard patterson -- i've heard jersey city, i've heard patterson. it was 14 years ago. i saw it on television -- >> if i said people have said mr. trump's not worth $10 billion, you would say that was crazy. you wouldn't make a business deal based on retweets and based on hear say. >> that's much different. >> you're running for president of the united states. your words matter. truthfulness matters, fact based matters. >> take it easy, chuck. just play cool. this is people in our country that love our country that saw this by the hundreds they're calling and they're tweeting. >> willie, a lot to unpack there. >> no, nothing to unpack.
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>> if that video exists of jersey city or patterson, somebody ought to produce it. i think i know what he thinks he saw. there was video in the west bank of a group of palestinians celebrating. i remember it, a lot of people remember it. i suspect that's what he's thinking of. i haven't seen the jersey city video and we've had mayors and law enforcement and witnesses say it. it's a bizarre state of affairs when this morning we're still talking about what happened on rooftops 14 years ago. >> it's insanity. the one part of the arab world that did celebrate the attacks were the palestinians. >> it's the same part of the arab world that also supported saddam hussein and the invasion of kuwait. >> earlier in the show we spoke with donald trump. >> let me ask you first, senator
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john mccain we just had him on yesterday and he was asked about some of your rhetoric, including the question of some muslims celebrating in america. he said it has the effect of turning muslims against us. does he have a point? >> i don't think he has a point. i wouldn't say we are loved by many muslims hp and l it's 10% like you said on the show this morning or it's a much larger percent, you saw the soccer game the other day where they were giving a minute of silence where the stadium burst out talking about and shouting out things that even the soccer players were very embarrassed, nobody knew what it do, they were doing muslim chants and that was a week ago, or less than a wook ago, that was right after the tragedy in paris. they were honoring with a minute
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of silence and it was not a pretty picture. so i think john mccain is encorrect. i think we have to be strong, we have to be vigilant. i have many muslim friends. but nonetheless we have to be very strong and understand what the problem is. i think john mccain doesn't understand the problem. >> you're talk about a soccer match in turkey. there are well over a billion muslims. we don't paint annin tire religion based on the chance of a few people in a soccer match in turkey. >> not a few people. a lot of people at that sock are game were going wild with their chanting. everybody was very embarrassed. >> what's the purpose of all of this? >> no, i just think people have to know the problem. >> it's not my purpose. >> we know the facts. you said people went wild after 9/11, muslims went wild
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all over the world -- look at iran, just about any muslim governments in the world, they were holding candlelight vjily, holding prayer services for us. >> sure. i'm not saying everybody but there are a large number of people that went wild and were celebrating. if you don't recognize it, then we're never going to solve the problem. but there were a large number of people that celebrated the downing of the world trade center. >> why is that important? >> this is something i said -- it keeps getting brought up. i'm not bringing this up, you're bringing this up. it keeps getting brought up. you can go back to last week in the soccer gam during the one minute of silence in honor of the people that were absolutely disgustingly slaughtered in that horrible thing that took place in paris. you see what happened during that one minute of eye sense. the question is, as we have so
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many issues to talk about, why is that important to you? why are you bringing that up in rallies? why should that be relevant to voters who are going to vote in iowa and new hampshire? >> it is important because you have to know the problems. we have a president that won't even mention the term or the name. i don't know what his problem is. nobody understands it. he won't mention radical islam ek terrorism. he won't mention it. it could be from a different planet as far as he's concerned. you're in the going to solve the problem unless you're willing to tack about what the problem is. then i do chuck todd, nice guy, he goes a little bit wild on the show, which hopefully he did very well on the ratings, i'm sure he did actually. he brings it up be you're bringing it up this morning. i didn't bring it up. you're bringing it up this morning. but we have to it know what the problem is before we solve the problem. but these are people who do not
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want to admit what the problem is. it's not politically correct to admit what the pro be lem is, joe. >> as i throw it to you, mika, we are the ones asking and chuck is the one that is asking. >> well, it's come up in your speeches. how would you characterize most muslim americans? how would you characterize them is this. >> they're terrific people. i know many. i know many. they're terrific mika. i have many, many friends -- but within the muslim american community and within the muslim community we have some very radical people who want to do great harm to you and to joe and to everybody on your panel and to me and to this country and to the world. now, we can say that doesn't exist and everybody will be very happy -- >> nobody's saying -- >> but it does exist. they're wonderful people, i know so many of them. and, by the way, the ones i know
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all agree with me. they say there is a radical group of people that is doing great harm and doing great harm to them because they get tainted by what's going on. >> i think the sort of constant beating of saying that this video of this celebration exists when it's really in question, donald, is just -- it's going to have a negative impact on the conversation. >> so, mika, let's put it to rest. here's the story. number one, teak a look at the "washington post." the guy tried to pull back on the story. by the way, he was a guy i don't know. supposedly he interviewed me 35 years ago in the 80s and then all of a sudden i knew him. look, i don't know some reporters that are covering me yesterday. i see their name, i see their byline, i don't even know what they look look. but supposedly he interviewed me in the 80s. i'm sure it probably true but i've been interviewed by
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thousands forget that. if you don't address the problem and if you don't foe what problem is, you're never going to solve the problem. this world has a big problem and we we have a president that doesn't even want to call it by its correct name and we have to get with it. it's very simple. >> i would say john heilemann, donald, you can talk about that and i think that's a potentially interesting conversation. >> that is what i'm talking about. i'm talking about there's a level of hatred within a certain community, in this case the mus clim community, there's a level of hatred that people don't want to talk about. >> is it a -- do you believe it is a small percentage? >> well, you mentioned before it could be 10%. tease a lot, joe, if it's 10%. hey, joe, you were sort of
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saying, oh, it's only 7% but maybe 10%. well, 10% or 7% or 2% is a lot had you're talking about the kind of destruction they want to do. >> for those of us who weren't with us at the 6:00 hour, there's a gallup poll that said 8% or 11% of muslims thought the attacks were justified. >> we have pollsters ask this question and i'll ask it to you. do you think islam is an inhantly peaceful religions that been by small percentage perverted by some or do you think that islam is an inherently violent religion? >> all i can say is there's something going on, there as something definitely going on. i don't know that that question could be answered. it could be answered two ways it could beansed both ways but there's something going on there. there as a lot of hatred coming
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out of at least a big part of it. you see the hatred. we see it every day. you see it whether it's in paris or whether it a world trade center out of respect for the people that died and there was no roo expect by a pretty good group of people in that stadium and that was less than a week ago. >> there's something nasty coming out thereof and you can answer it any way you want but at least we have to know the problem. >> before we go to richard haas, most americans, mika, would they not, agree with what donald is saying right now that even if it's a small percentage, it's a danger. and that's why i was saying the press can fight donald at the.
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>> i don't worry about it and i don't worry about help, joe. i'll be honest. i'm in the looking to do this for help. whether i win or lose, i'm not doing it for that. i'm doing it because somebody has to prng it to the fore and we have a leader that's encompetent and he refuses to use the name dk it's will lick wh wh what. >> so let's get to some other topics really quickly. a couple people have moved up in the polls and are now vying for second pleas. cruz and rubio. do you think ted cruz is qualified to be president of the united states. do would he be a good president? >> y, do think he would be qualified to be. absolutely. >> what about marco rubio? >> i think so. he's young, very young.
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have you look add immigration? he's a nice guy. i've got to know him during the cam pan. i like him. i think he would have a shot. >> so you're critical and we're showing a poll right now that has you first place cruz, second carson, third rubio fourth. >> i think i'm in first place every single state and every single national poll. >> yeah, i think that is the case, donald. i'm surprised you noticed that. >> well, i don't know if trump is going to -- the same morons have been saying that for five months. >> time to drop out. >> that's right. as joe would joyfully and jokingly say, ut oh, trump just picked up 10 points, it's time for him to drop out. >> you talked about marco.
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>> do you think ted cruz is too weak on national security? >> i've been watching this little debate between rubio and cruz and i've loved it because i haven't been so involved. it the one this evening i haven't been involved. can you believe it? i'd love to watch again. and they seam to be attacking themselves very strongly because somebody wants to be standing to challenge me. >> what about on the issue that i brought up, though? do you think the nsa should have the ability to collect all the data it was able to before? >> well, i err on the side of security. but i happen to be and i been there from the beginning, i've been there from before the paris attack. after every attack everybody says exactly this but i err on
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the side of security. every time i pick up the phone, i have to assume somebody is listening. >> dp, we have to leave it there. thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> chris jansing joins us from the high stakes summit. how would a president rubio respond to government workers who brush off the supreme court based on their religious beliefs? we'll have that answer. and mike lube ka joins the conversation here at the table. >> the pictures out of oklahoma are pretty dramatic from over the weekend. about 100,000 people lost power.
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. president obama is in paris where he joins nearly 150 world leaders for a major conference on climate change. he's expected to announce a new initiative for research and development. he landed in paris and made his first stop at the bataclan
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memorial. he left a single white flower to honor the victims of the terror there just two weeks ago. some demonstrators were seen throwing bottles and rocks at officers. police responded with tear gas in an attempt to disburse the crowd. 134 people were jailed. this protest was one jand kress. >> let's start with what's happening here. it's been years in the making. this kicks off two weeks of high level, intense negotiations, trying to come to a deal that involves every country on the face of the earth to reduce emissions and deal with climate
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change. the white house has twice before looked for a deal and it didn't work out. they think this embut it may likely be the biggest step that has ever been taken in this field before. you mentioned there's going to be a new initiative announced today. bill gates is going to be here along with the president and 20 nations committing it research toward clean energy. so while all that is going on, we already saw this morning president xi of china with president obama, the first high level meeting, representing the two countries that are the biggest carbon polluters against the backdrops of the terror attacks just a couple of weeks ago. security extremely high for those 1 heads of state. most of them coming in and out in a matter of 24 hours but thousands and then you saw those
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protests yesterday. they started out as a way for people to support what's going on here, try to get some action on climate change but in the end, police made 2 -- this is a country that because of those terror attacks is still under a state of emergency. >> chris tank you, thank you very much. richard haas, what do you think are the most prevalent deals that will emerge? >> what's different about this you're going to have 190-plus countries who are going to make an agreement and say we'll cap our emissions and you're going to add it all up.
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that's the most you can get out of it there. and there's going to be a side agreement to increase the the research and development. if you can come up with more efficient things, that's the place ultimately you'll invest. >> it seems, though, richard, two the developing countries or beyond developed countries, india and china sen tr statement because china almost emits twice as much as we do and india has been dragging their feet for some time. but china actually released a report. you probably saw the same story i saw where the government talked about the dangers that climate chang poses to china. much, much different tact than we've seen from china in the past. >> the reason is that people in china get up in the morning, they look at the air, you go online, you can see the measurements of the air quality.
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this has become a their emphasis is on economic performance. china's agreed by 200 they will peak their emissions or carbon. >> but look at this. as you know, china cannot become the world as leading power and can't get the be and the bright nest china. >> so much of their how to you meet people's aspiration on clan air and on the other hand how do you keep chick growth, which has been the fueler, if you will, of
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political and economic stability. china has a dilemma. whereas india is talking about goals in 2030 and made other side commitments,ndia is saying woor 300, 400 people who don't have access to the would -- >> coming up on "morning joe," david brody is here to reveal exclusive new interview of senator marco rubio in iowa. how the candidate is pitching him in the co kak the if the
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there will be days you see me on tv as president and you'll say, oh, my god, i cannot believe he said that. i hope there will be other days when you say, oh, thank god someone finally said that. it goes both ways. and you need to know when the crisis comes across the desk who the person is sitting there and what's in here. that's who i am. when hurricane sandy came to my
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state, no one had to worry what my priority was, those are the people who elected me and deevidence is my absolutely l lot -- >> that was within of the moments from chris christie on the trail of new hampshire that prompt prompted that he's a beg we're
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going to be live from the historic snow shoe club, which is known for the pancake event they hold for all the candidates. mike, a crazy, crazy race. we are just talking off camera about, you know, so much focus on how the republicans -- which republican wins the nomination. but you're talking about what i'm talking with, what i'm thinking about, how does the republican party win back the white house when there's such a narrow focus in those preemry states. >> i don't believe you can elected playing the.
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et interesting had and you're not running for president of evangelicals in iowa. and if they don't broaden this message, i don't see how they keep hillary clinton from being president of the united states. >> we talked about it, hillary clinton is upside down in favorability ratings, if you look at donald trump, upside down in the favorability number. >> marv: the two many talk about that and talk about one of those guys that people are looking at, marco rubio. >> yeah, joe. you mentioned anecdotal.
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i think you're right. i think when i'm on the ground in iowa and other places there's some concern about donald trump, even been carson to a degree. and they're looking at folks like ted cruz, making a move into iowa and then there's marco rubio. he was talking to pastors. it was a closed door meeting. by the way, we were there and we captured some of the the video. after that meeting, i talked to many pastors in that room who heard marco rubio speak and they said, wow. they were blown away by his intellect, by his gospel presentation. he spent ten minutes talking about the gospel in front of these pastors. he needs to talk about folks not just about jesus about what he's going to do when it comes to
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their issues. apparently we're going to seeing more of that in the weeks to month. >> marv: and then go to new hampshire and talk property right and things that new hampshire focuses on. let's take a look, david, of as roe v. wade is current law and until we can get a supreme court to overturn roe v. wade to front and save as many lives as possible. think the is obut that conflict
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with a require god as ruled. if you, we are called to ignore that. we cannot abide by that because government is compelling us to sin. >> you were talking to rubio there about his abortion position. he has opinion i think not totally clear about where he stands on the. where he states on rape, incest, life of the mother, let's if it.
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he called it a human right issue in the room and they were -- the question about maerj, he movered into the answers on paris and life. it not like he won't signed sign a bill that doesn't have exception. he'll do it. i thinks that been some of the hiccup, if you will, on this. but he was pretty clear to pastors on this. this whole thing was organized by the american renewal project. they've been going around the country trying to recruit pastors for office this was rahal a chance for rubio to moot these oos.
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>> marv: well, i'll let rubio and the cam pan speak for this t. f and making sure there's a limited amount again to our general lek question here. marco rube why even when a mother's life is at risk. >> i don't, be, i have looked at
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the tekts that marco rubio has saed throughout the course of the campaign and marco still isn't clear on rape, incest, life of the mother. >> just to be clear, i understand. we'll release a clip later today pu he does talk about exception. he does say he is okay with exception if there was a bill that would come to his desk as president. i'll release the clip. >> according to what john heilemann said, it's one thing to say i will sign a bill that gives me 80% of what i want. if he's running, does marco rubio believe there should be an exception to rape and -- >> oh, are you talking to me? >> yes. and by the way, i'm not being
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facetious here. we really don't know what his position is. you could make some real news now if you could tell us what his position is, or than saying, yes, i will sign bills, even if i did i agree with it. >> i'm going to let marco when he explains the life issue, i think we'll have more to talk about today. >> this is quintessential marco rubio where he says, well, yes, i will sign a bill if it has exception there. and trying to have it both ways and saying, wait, second, i said i would sign. but what do you believe? he has been tap dancing around the issue. i guarantee you, the morning after iowa, he will become clar
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what -- clear. >> four years later from when we had rk santorum doing well in iowa, talking about contraception and i told the story on air of five republican women sitting around a breakfast table who never who will not even tell us if he supports in his heart an exception to abortion where the mother's wife
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testimony i was a pro-lifer's pro-lifer in congress. but you can't be the candidate of the future if you don't even believe in an exception for the life of the mother. you can't say it clearly. >> joe, if you think you're going to be the nominee and you're going to be running against a mother and grandmother, you better define what your position is. he said, well, yeah, yesterday i was lying, today i'm telling the truth. >> this again goes back to the questions are a will the of mitt rom in that ended keeping he is slots among that they catch up
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