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for insisting this crucial conference go on. an act of defiance that proves nothing will deter us from building the future we want for our children. >> we will have much more from paris coming up. we do want to start in colorado where later this afternoon, robert dear, the suspect in the shooting at a planned parenthood clinic will face a judge via closed circuit tv for the first time. police have not given a motive for the alleged crime. however, authorities say dear shot and killed three people on friday. police officer garrett swasey, jennifer markovsky and mother of two and iraq war vet, ke'arre stewart. stewart's brother spoke to nbc, saying he forgives dear for what he did. >> i forgive him, you know. it's a hard pill to swallow, because he took my only brother
from me, you know. that's the only brother that i had, that i grew up with, he took that away from me. >> he forgives him already. msnbc's blake mccoy live for us in colorado springs. blake, what more do we know about the charges dear could face today? >> reporter: well, thomas, we have three people dead so we are expecting murder charges. nine people injured, that's potentially attempted murder. the big wild card, though, is going to be whether federal charges are pursued against robert dear. we do know the fbi is assisting in the investigation. they could perhaps pursue domestic terrorism charges. the caveat with this hearing today, this is a preliminary hearing so whatever charges are announced in this hearing today, it's early. the d.a. has ten days to add to or amend those charges before they are formally filed. >> so blake, explain the background of dear. what has started to emerge as more and more publicity has come up about this guy?
>> reporter: well, what we know about him, he's 57 years old. he lived up in the mountains about an hour away from here. we traveled up to that town. it's a small town of about 600 people, where neighbors say he largely stuck to himself. he lived in an r.v. with his girlfriend but pretty much off the grid. before that, he was in north carolina and south carolina and we have heard from neighbors in all of those places saying that he was known to make anti-obama comments and political rhetoric, but nothing that would lend itself to an attack like we saw here in colorado springs. >> nbc's blake mccoy in colorado springs, thank you. so this shooting is putting more focus on the rhetoric over planned parenthood. last hour, my colleague andrea mitchell spoke to the head of planned parenthood, cecile richards, to get her reaction to the shooting. >> people have to understand that hateful rhetoric and words and harassment of doctors and harassment of women going to health centers have real implications. i don't think it's what america likes to see and certainly, it's very disturbing when you see an
individual such as the shooter on friday take the lives of individuals and family of folks who are simply trying to access health care in america. >> joining me now is terry o'neill, president of the national organization for women. i want to start out with, and as we are going to talk about here, the rhetoric we have been hearing. we have some of the candidates out there, republican presidential hopefuls, talking about the aftermath of this shooting and what it means. take a listen. >> this is so typical of the left to immediately begin demonizing a messenger because they don't agree with the message. the vast majority of americans agree, what planned parenthood is doing is wrong. >> the media promptly wants to blame him on the pro-life movement when at this point, there's very little evidence to indicate that. >> all right. so from your point of view, is the political rhetoric just too hot on both sides and needs to be toned down when it comes to choice? >> thomas, the political
rhetoric on the right is way too loud. i absolutely reject suggestions that are coming from the right of this kind of equivalency argument. that is clearly not true. when people stand up and say a campaign of harassment and intimidation based on deception, based on falsehoods which is what planned parenthood has been experiencing, when we stand up and say these allegations are false, we can demonstrate that they're false, you are way over the top and you are ginning up a lot of hate and rage against planned parenthood with these faked-up videos, for example, when we call people out in saying that, that's not us racheting up the rhetoric. that is us calling on our opponents to rachet down their rhetoric. it's a very different thing. look, when you have members of congress that are colluding with david delida and his crowd, the shadowy group, the center for
medical progress, to gin up false accusations against planned parenthood, that's a dangerous situation. it creates an environment where we can expect heightened violence at women's health care clinics. >> we have a special congressional committee investigating planned parenthood and other abortion providers. this is after a group released those online videos you talk about. there are reports that they show planned parenthood officials discussing the sale of fetal body parts. now planned parenthood says these videos were edited out of context. but what do you say, there is a portion of this country, a large portion of this country, that is going to remain pro-life and no matter what planned parenthood says its goal is, it will always provide health options of choice if allowed to. so how do you have a rational dialogue with people about what planned parenthood does do in terms of choice? >> that's a great question. first of all, 77% of voters in this country are very clear they
want roe versus wade to remain the law of the land. so many people, friends of mine who call themselves pro-life and they believe that they are pro-life, they also want roe v wade to remain the law of the land. that is, they want women to have the right to make health care decisions for themselves. you know, something else i think we need to remember is that opposition to abortion has never, we have never been able to figure out how to create policies or laws that only shut down abortion services. that's because we can't. in fact, women's health care runs along a spectrum. one in three women will have an abortion by the age of 45. it is a common and necessary aspect of the entire spectrum of reproductive health care that she needs. so you just can't go in and selectively pull out abortion for regulation. in fact, what the legislators always end up doing is singling
out women, women's health care for restriction and criminalization. it's wrong. >> terry o'neill from the national organization for women, thanks for your time today. i appreciate it. want to switch gears now and go to what we talked about at the top of the hour. in chicago, we have police officer jason van dyke set to appear in court. he's going to learn if he's going to be offered bond. van dyke is charged with murder in the death of laquan mcdonald after dash cam video showed him shooting the teen 16 times. the release of that video led to massive protests and another is expected to begin this hour. msnbc's adam reese is in chicago. so let's start with the court issue. what are we hearing about whether the judge is going to grant bond or not? >> reporter: the judge wants to look at that dash cam video himself before deciding on bail. in fact, at this moment, court's about to begin. the judge is in the courtroom. he wants to watch that video on a laptop in front of the open court before deciding. the prosecutor in this case says
this is an open/shut case of first degree murder, doesn't matter if it's a police officer or not. she says just look at the video. six seconds after he arrives on scene, he starts shooting laquan mcdonald, he continues to shoot even after mcdonald is on the ground. he goes to reload after firing 16 shots and his partner says hold your fire. seven other officers are on this scene, not one of them fires a single shot. the defense, i just spoke with his attorney, he says for them, this is an open and shut case of self-defense. he feared for his life. he feared for his safety. even though on the video, it appears like laquan mcdonald is walking away from him as he starts to open fire. thomas? >> adam reese reporting for us in chicago. i know there's an naacp rally taking place there as well today. we will keep everybody posted on that. we turn our attention to 2016 politics and donald trump. the republican front-runner today was questioned by the "morning joe" team about his recent controversial comments on muslims. listen to what he had to say when asked if he thought islam
is an inherently peaceful or violent religion. >> there's something going on there. there's something that there's a lot of hatred coming out of at least a big part of it. you see the hatred. we see it every day. you see it whether it's in paris or whether it's the world trade center or whether it's even one mi minute of silence at a soccer game. >> this remark comes a day after trump refused to yet again back off the thoroughly debunked charge of muslims in new jersey celebrating the 9/11 attacks. here he is on nbc's "meet the press" with chuck todd. chuck wanted to know why is trump basing his claims on the support of random people via twitter. >> mr. trump, if i said well, people have said mr. trump's not worth $10 billion and people were saying, you would say that was crazy, you wouldn't make a business deal based on retweets and based on hearsay. you're running for president of
the united states. your words matter. truthfulness matters. fact-based stuff matters. no? >> take it easy, chuck. just play cool. this is people in this country that love our country that saw this by the hundreds, they're calling, and they're tweeting. >> so nbc's katy tur joins me now. donald trump also having to cancel a news conference that was supposed to be going on at this very moment. let's start with the remarks about the muslim community. is donald trump rolling through this one or is some of it starting to stick a bit? >> reporter: well, the question is what's the subtext of his remarks. the subtext of him saying there were thousands of people cheering in new jersey. what is he trying to get at? he's being accused of stoking fear, of stoking scene xenophob. it doesn't seem like hit's hurting him right now.
the voters do seem to have a sense that islam as a religion doesn't seem to agree with american values or way of life. there is a general sense of mistrust of that religion. among the voters he is courting right now, these sort of remarks, this sort of talk isn't necessarily going to do him any harm. he is still leading in the polls. the paris attacks have only boosted his poll numbers. voters see him as somebody who will be hard on terror, tough on terror, he will lead this country in a stronger direction than we are in right now. they like that he is speaking to them in blunt and simple terms. right now, donald trump is not feeling any of the pain from these comments. he is srcertainly not backing ay from them. >> let's talk about the news conference that was supposed to be taking place roughly at this time. it was about donald trump getting an endorsement from pastors. explain what happened there, to the endorsement or the meeting itself. >> reporter: so last week, the campaign announced they would get an endorsement from 100 black pastors today after a
private meeting with the pastors. on sunday, yesterday, they abruptly canceled the press conference after a number of pastors said we weren't necessarily going to support you, this was going to be a meeting and afterwards we were going to decide whether or not we would endorse you. that was a bit of an embarrassment for the trump campaign because it was supposed to be a show of force with him and the black community. he's been accused of racism a lot lately after a black lives matter protester was kicked around and punched at a trump rally. now, donald trump defended the people who did that saying the black protester was acting out of line during his rally. there was also a tweet that he tweeted some bogus crime stats that claimed that the majority of white people who were killed were killed by african americans. those turned out to be wildly inaccurate. so this meeting is going to be maybe a little bit more contentious than the trump campaign had hoped. lot of pastors pushing back on some of that rhetoric. still, the man who organized it, pastor darryl scott, said he
expects there to be a positive outcome when it's all said and done. take a listen. >> a dialogue has been established between mr. trump and members of the black community so we can address issues that we feel are pertinent to our community. that's all it is. it's a great dialogue. there are a number of pro-trump supporters including myself here. we expect there to be those immediately afterwards whose opinion of mr. trump has changed. >> reporter: pastor scott has been a big supporter of donald trump in the past. he was with him at a rally in atlanta just last month, praising him and his leadership, saying he fully expects to support him for the republican nomination. we do expect at least him to endorse him after this private meeting is over. it's unclear how many others will be giving their endorsement as well. thomas? >> katy tur following the trump campaign.
we have been taking your pulse today on donald trump, his words. our question today, should trump back down from his 9/11 rhetoric. the pulse is live. head over to pulse.msnbc.com, cast your vote. katy tur. coming up next, we go live to paris. world leaders gathered for the u.n. climate change summit. president obama speaking earlier today. >> this summer i saw the effects of climate change first-hand in our northern most state, alaska. where the sea is already swallowing villages and eroding shorelines. where permafrost thaws and the tundra burns. where glaciers are melting at a pace unprecedented in modern times. >> we'll have more from that and details of president obama's meeting on the sidelines today with russia's president vladimir putin. then a manhunt under way for an anti-muslim activist missing after posting a potentially threatening video online. how did the fbi lose track of him?
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an act of defiance that proves nothing will deter us from building the future we want for our children. >> security, a major issue shall as over 150 world leaders have descended on paris. on sunday protesters confronted police in the center of paris and the protesters support more effort in fighting climate change. however, authorities banned demonstrations in the wake of the paris attacks. nbc's kelly o'donnell joins me live from paris. what exactly is on the president's agenda while he attends this conference? how much is influenced by attempts to chat with angela merkel and vladimir putin, two people that are on hollande's radar to have this larger coalition against isis? >> reporter: well, certainly the president is talking about climate change but he is making the most of the opportunities, as you would suggest, to have those sort of conversations with world leaders to address this issue. he did it openly in talking about the resolve and the determination of paris to go
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here both on climate and on the larger issues of these terrorist networks. thomas? >> msnbc's kelly o'donnell in paris. thanks so much. we are joined now in studio to talk about the overall goal of the climate summit. let's talk about who is leading the charge here, tony, for the treaty and getting certain partners to the table. >> president obama is leading the charge. 2009 in copenhagen, him and hillary clinton brokered a deal where the world would try to keep the warming below two degrees celsius. doesn't sound like a lot but in a global average sense, it's gigantic. big ranges here and there. he's leading the charge. what makes this kind of awkward is here he is banging the drum, he went way over in his speech at the opening ceremonies, he's banging the drum for an agreement. there is a coalition of republicans from congress saying don't trust our president, he doesn't have all the authority he says he does on this issue. we are going to vote to repeal his efforts to cut emissions and block his efforts at every turn. it's a delicate dance. here the president is trying to be the leader but being
undermined by his political opposition. >> let's look at the polling we have got from the divide of what this all means. one coming from abc news and the "washington post." we look at it here. 80% of democrats see climate change as a serious problem with 43% of republicans feeling the same way. can republicans' minds be changed at all especially through this election cycle? >> doesn't seem like he this can be. we are back to where we were with the kyoto protocol. al gore brokered that, it looked like america would cut its emissions, we would finally address global warming and the bush administration came in, looked at the polling, said we think the economy matters more, we don't think we can cut emissions without hurting the economy, so the protocol is dead. if we see a republican president elected in 2016, whatever obama does in paris, it could be wiped away that quickly. >> thank you, tony. i appreciate you breaking it down. we want to switch gears, turn to this developing news we are following out of illinois, where classes have been canceled
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source, also the credibility of the threat and possible motive behind that threat. almost three dozen people recovering today after a bus carrying college students overturned last night. the abbott trailways coach was traveling in north chesterfield county, virginia when it flipped on its side after the driver lost control. a passing car then hit the bus. 34 of the 50 passengers on board as well as the driver were treated for injuries. the driver has been charged with reckless driving as part of that ongoing investigation. thomas? we go to south daytona, florida. police are conducting an active animal cruelty investigation. take a look. it was this picture of a dog wrapped with duct tape and it appeared on facebook that prompted further investigation. almost immediately, the post going viral leading to a storm of protest against the dog's owner. animal lovers are demanding everything from having her pets removed to throwing her in jail. nbc's kerry sanders reports. >> reporter: for dog lovers around the world, the owner of
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so new york police are on the hunt for a former marine who may have threatened a muslim community. 32-year-old john ritzheimer posted his profanity-filled video online stating he is on his way to new york state to see members of the group muslim of america. >> guess what? we're [ bleep ] ready for them. bring it on, you muslim [ bleep ]! >> the rant seems to be a response to the group's newspaper, the islamic post, who labeled ritzheimer a quote, american taliban. we are following the story for you. how concerned is the fbi, especially now given the fact they have lost contact with ritzheimer and his whereabouts? >> this might come under the heading of see something, say something. they see something that looks threatening so they are saying something. the fact that they have lost contact with him in pennsylvania around scranton area, he's a long way from his home base in arizona and much closer to the area of upstate new york where
this islamic group is stationed and where they are based, and that makes officials officials . they think it's important they let authorities in the new york area know this kind of threatening remark has been made by this man and they should be on guard. certainly the islamic group is on guard and concerned. >> some people may look at this as some type of social media prank but this isn't the first time this has happened, correct? >> correct. it is not. in fact, back in september, he even made threatening remarks in a video to senator debbie stabenaur, he was upset with her because of her position on the iran nuclear deal. he was arrested with gun in hand. so authorities are paying attention to him. i think it's important to point out they have not issued any kind of arrest for this man. he has not been charged with anything. but they are looking for him and
want to know where he is. >> thank you. as we have been talking about through this half hour, the developing news out of chicago. we have been following this story there of laquan mcdonald and the naacp where they are holding another rally is under way now. this is happening all while the officer accused in the death of laquan mcdonald will be appearing in court. we will continue to follow the rally and have much more in a live report coming up from chicago in a few minutes. jury selection is under way in the first of six consecutive trials of officers accused in the april death of freddie gray in baltimore. officer william porter has been charged with involuntary manslaughter and second degree assault. the 25-year-old gray died of apparent spinal injuries a week after the arrest by baltimore police. his death sparked violent riots and an outcry against police brutality. joining me, msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber. break it down for us. what prosecutors allege the officer in this that's going
forward today, william porter, his role in the death of freddie gray is what? >> the allegation here is that basically, he along with these other members of the force that put freddie gray into that squad car, essentially contributed to his death by basically driving the car in such a manner that his injuries were exacerbated, worsened. it's what is known in local parlance as a rough ride. there have also been reports and this has not, has not come up in court yet because they are just in jury selection, but there have been reports in baltimore that this officer may have made statements during the investigation about a request for medical care that gray made and that he wasn't apparently initially granted, and that that could go to the officer's culpability to his blame if he had reason to know or reasonably know, that's the way they talk about it in the law, that this individual needed care and didn't get it. >> so when it comes to this trial, this being the beginning of all this, could it serve as a bellwether for the other five learning lessons for their cases? >> absolutely. legally, the prosecution can
decide the order so they can set that strategy. we would expect them to start with their strongest case, not their weakest case, both because they want to set that tone, they know all eyes are on them, but also legally even if we weren't talking about this particular case on tv, legally they would always want to try to go with the strongest case because if they could win and get a guilty verdict there, they may be able to turn that officer or use him in other trials against each of these other defendants, right? so they are going to start there, see what they can get. potentially that could come up in these later hearings, each officer getting their own trial. >> we will remind everybody, the city of baltimore will be paying $6.4 million in a wrongful death settlement to freddie gray's family. as the jury selection starts right now, i think for the coverage of all this and the attention that that settlement has gotten, it will be interesting to see how quickly they can actually seat a jury that isn't informed about gray's death. i want to bring in pastor jamaal
bryant ministries. good to see you. typically we see each other down in baltimore. the first trial in gray's death comes amid these recent protests that have happened over chicago shootings, minneapolis shootings. how do you think the demonstrations in baltimore are going to kick back up given the fact that we are watching these trials bring everything fresh? there has been seven months of skad building. >> i think it's really just post-traumatic stress not just for baltimore but the larger black community of learning the sobering reality of the difference between an indictment and a conviction. overwhelmingly in the 21st century we have not seen white police officers convicted and in fact, sentenced for killing black lives and that's why this movement has gone afoot all over the country. >> when it comes to baltimore, if we can put up all six photographs if we have them, of
the police officers involved, you would acknowledge that this is a diverse, whether it's racial or gender, diverse accused body of people involved in freddie gray's death. it's not so much the color or male or female, it's the blue uniform. that's the issue here in baltimore. >> it's not a black and white issue. it's a black and blue issue. i think that by virtue of the fact we have a black mayor, black comptroller, black president of city council, we have some other issues at stake that are not being addressed. so i think that's why the nation is really looking here to see whether we are really going to find liberty and justice being meted out. >> we are not getting into baltimore politics right now because i need to get you on national politics and donald trump. because he canceled a press conference with black pastors today over what his campaign calls a miscommunication over whether or not this group was going to endorse him. i want to remind everybody what he said. take a listen. >> i have a great relationship with the black pastors. i have had -- i know many of
them. we'll see what happens. i don't know if it's endorsement. i don't know if it's endorsement by some. i think probably it will be an endorsement by some. >> so let's go over the facts. you were invited to a meeting with trump, you were expected to endorse him? >> no, i declined. i declined and i issued a per scope media edict for every person that knows a pastor that's going to decline because donald trump does not represent the views or the values of the black community and has not rolled out an agenda that would affect it. >> so you don't even want to have a meeting with him to express your own point of view about what he could do better as the gop front-runner? >> yes. as the gop front-runner he has been overwhelmingly slanderous to our latino brothers and sisters, has been disrespectful to women and those that are physically challenged. we have not heard him do anything in terms of black lives matter, mass incarceration, the inequity of the economy or
unemployment. nothing he's said in his platform or agenda bespeaks to where the black community is. we question the ethics of the pastors who are even -- >> he was blaming the black lives matter movement, saying pastors received pressure from them. he believes in all lives matter. would the black lives matter organization pressure black pastors not to meet with him? >> no. i think it's our responsibility to do it. i'm a black pastor. alvin a.m.e. church, the oldest black denomination. and challenge pastors not to be part of it because we have not had 100 black pastors on the front line of this movement and by virtue of the fact that one of our protesters in the black lives matter movement was roughed up in alabama and donald trump said they deserved to do it and has refused to meet with the protesters, i think is a scathing indictment on the pastors who would go and meet behind the protesters' back. >> pastor, thank you, sir. nice to have you here. the scrutiny over donald trump's 9/11 comments continues to grow. the republican hopeful refusing to walk back his comments about muslims in jersey, celebrating
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carson said the refugees told him they don't want to come to the u.s. >> the syrians want to be in syria. they want to be repatriated in their own country. they are looking for a mechanism to get there but in the meantime, the facilities that have been offered to them here in jordan are very satisfactory and when i asked them what americans could do, they said if americans could support those facilities to a greater degree. >> so dina bash is the press secretary for dr. carson. nice to see you. >> good to see you. >> how can dr. carson say today, as he does in the video we just played, that resettling refugees would displace them even further? >> well, it's just a simple fact that they have already been -- they have already had to leave their home and the idea of actually sending them even further from the area that they
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civili -- civilian or soldier behind. >> there's no motive for the shooting but law enforcement sources with knowledge of the case tell nbc news after dear was taken in to custody, he rambled about president obama, politics and abortion saying, quote, no more baby parts. nbc's blake mccoy joins me now from colorado springs. break down what we expect to hear in this hearing and charges moving forward. >> reporter: we expect to notify robert dear of what he is being accused of, three counts of murder, nine counts of attempted murder and the district attorney has another ten days the formally file charges and could be amended or added to during that time. if family members expect to see him face 0 face, that will not happen. that's because he's in jail behind me hear. the courthouse is 15 miles away so this entire hearing will be conducted via closed circuit video. thomas?
>> blake, what more has come forward about who is robert dear, the connection to the community or the planned parenthood? anything? >> reporter: people want to know that to paint a notive. he is 57 years old, lived about an hour away in a small mountain town, rural town of about 600 people and before that north carolina and south carolina. neighbors in those places paint a picture of a guy that lived off the grid, they had very little interaction with, some of them say the little interaction they did have with him was political in nature, some anti-obama rhetoric and nothing to indicate a attan attack like. thomas? >> what about the victims, their family going through. one of their brothers spoke about how they consider him a hero for going back. >> reporter: that particular victim, 29-year-old iraq war veteran, actually stepped outside of the clinic to make a phone call and not getting cell service and when he encounters
the gunman. he wept back inside the clinic to tell others to take cover. all three victims parents of two children, all of them parents of two. >> blake mccoy there in colorado springs, keep us posted. and last week's shooting comes as the political rhetoric around planned parenthood has ratcheted up over the last several months. how are the 2016 candidates responding to that attack? let's talk to steve kornacki. it's hot on both sides and certainly hotter from the gop candidates' side of things. >> this is right now i think an extension of seeing in terms of the reaction of the shooting, a tension of debate going on for months and years in this country, a lot of conservatives, republicans opposed to federal funding of planned parenthood. now supporters of planned parenthood looking a the this saying, well, look, for instance, the executive vice president of planned parenthood saying explicitly, some
politicians are continuing to stoke what she calls poisonous rhetoric that leads to the shootings like this and making a link between the rhetoric that you have seen some from the right say in opposition and this shooting, not going well with republicans. ted cruz was asked about that supposed link a few hours ago. this is what he had to say. >> this was a despicable homicide. this was an individual who's deranged. and i will say it's unfortunate to see so many folks in the press bending over backwards to try to use this horrible crime to advance a political agenda. >> and that's a similar theme that was struck by daern. he was on "meet the press" and asked about in the interrogation apparently with the shooter he made a reference to baby parts. he was asked if that made -- gave him concern about the rhetoric against planned parenthood. this is what he said. >> we have reporting that he was talking about baby parts and
things like that from law enforcement officials during his interview. >> there's a tremendous group of people that think it's terrible, all of the videos they have seen, with some of these people from planned parenthood talking about it like you're selling parts to a car. >> so again, thomas, probably not surprising there and republicans not interested right now in having any kind of conversation that links this shooting with any of the rhetoric you have seen in opposition to planned parenthood. >> so as we get closer to the primaries, iowa caucus, how does this play out with the voters? >> in the base republican party, there's support for defunding planned parenthood. opposition of abortion and the role of planned parenthood in abortion and 2012 when the issue first started to emerge, the democrats in the general election that year, able to ride this idea of a republican war on women as they called it to really drive up theender gap, certainly helped them. this is from gallup,
favorable/unfavorable view of planned parenthood as an organization, overall, 59% of americans have a favorable view. when you break that down by party, that's 82% of democrats, only 35% of republicans so this is one of those issues where republicans push it now and help them in the primaries but in a general election, maybe not as much. >> steve, thank you, sir. i appreciate it. we switch topics now and president obama who is in paris for a major conference on climate change and look at polling about how people feel, what our part is in all of this, and two thirds of the public on board with the international treaty to fight climate change moving forward. republicans oppose the idea. the conference taking place in the suburbs of paris and while the president is there he's taken the opportunity to talk not just about climate change, how also this terrorist attack that killed 130 people on friday the 13th. >> the people of paris for
insisting this crucial conference go on. an act of defiance that proves nothing will deter us from building the future we want for our children. >> all right. so building the future for the children. it was on sunday. we see here protesters confronting police in the center of paris. they support more effort in fighting climate change. however, authorities banned demonstrations in the streets of paris since the wake of the paris attacks. kelly o'donnell is there in france joining the president. now president obama scheduled to be having din we are the french president at this hour. this is something we're going to have tape of pretty soon. when's the agenda, the larger agenda of this conference and what people walk away with as we have 150 world leader there is? >> reporter: well, thomas, one of the subtle things will be this is not a meeting inside the secure walls of the conference.
they're going to be dining in the city of paris and that, again, sends that message of paris moving forward, sort of an implicit defiance toward the terror network isis that brought about so much heart ache here two weeks ago. of course climate is on the agenda. not technically a treaty and the president's adviser briefing reporters moments ago saying they did not seek a treaty with certain legal obligations to be a global pact, not wanting to let any nation feel unwelcome. politically, however, president obama would have a difficult time getting a treaty passed by the u.s. senate which would be required. so some language differences there. the idea of making it inclusive and the question of binding at all. of course, we can tell you that tonight the president has been really infusing this meeting with references to the terrorist attacks, both in the sense of showing solidarity with france making that stop at the bataclan
theater, also by addressing his fellow world leaders and conference broadly talking about the resolve of paris to go forward and the white house is asking congress to make some quick changes to the visa waiver program the u.s. has with other countries and asking congress to act before the holiday break and part of that we're told to increase scrutiny on individuals who are traveling to make certain the u.s. is aware if they've been in countries that might be a safe haven for terrorists. this would be another layer of trying to prevent the isis threat from leaving the middle east or continental europe and reaching the united states. thomas? >> kelly o'donnell in paris, thank you. i want the turn now to the investigation on those terror attacks in paris and the international manhunt for salah abdeslam continues. he's not been found and arrested. and could be anywhere. not necessarily in the borders of belgium.
i'm joined from paris with nbc's gabe gutierrez. what new details have we learned about where this man could be? >> reporter: hi, thomas. good evening from paris. as you mentioned, salah abdeslam still on the run, still on the loose. and the belgian authorities say that he could be anywhere. not necessarily in belgium. there have been some speculation that he could at some point have gone to syria or germany. that is not still confirmed. they're looking for mohammed abreu abrini, as well. he was seen with abdeslam and was suspected of driving a car that ended up being used in those paris attacks. now we are also learning that b abdeslam bought firework igniters and nbc news is told abdeslam provided identification in september and that a store clerk remembered that identification since it was on file after the paris attacks,
abdesl abdeslam's picture all over television, the store clerk immediately reported it to police. belgian authorities say six people are in custody, charged with either terrorist murders or participating in terrorist activities but they stress that that could mean that he simply aided in the attacks, not that they were directly involved in the murders. two wanted men on the run. one of the biggest manhunts ever in europe. thomas? >> nbc's gabe gutierrez reporting in paris for us, thank you. back here at home, donald trump meeting today with a group of african-american pastors and religious leaders and supposed to be much more at one point and we'll explain what it was supposed to be for his campaign after a break. and then ted cruz, now coming in second in iowa. behind trump. according to a new poll. but marco rubio is fast on cruz's heels. we look at the rides of cruz and the hawkeye state ahead. and a curtain call for a nba's greatest and most controversial figures.
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yirk now to 2016 politics and donald trump in trouble once again for remarks about muslims as he seeks an endorsement from a group of black pastors this hour. the republican front-runner today questioned by the "morning joe" group about these recent comments he's made and listen to what he said when asked if he thinks that islam is an inherently peaceful or violent religion. >> there's something going on there. there's hatred coming out of a part of it. we see it every day. you see it whether it's in paris or the world trade center or whether it's even one minute of silence at a soccer game.
>> so this remark comes a day after trump refused yet again to back off the debunked charge of muslims in new jersey celebrating after 9/11. here he is on nbc's "meet the press" with chuck todd and chuck wanted to know why is trump basing the claims on the support of random people via twitter. >> mr. trump, if i said, well, people have said mr. trump's not worth $10 billion and people were saying -- you would say that's crazy and not make a business deal based on retweets and based on hearsay. you're running for president of the united states. your words matter. truthfulness matters. fact-based stuff matters. >> chuck, chuck, make it easy. play cool. this is people in this country that love our country that saw this by the hundreds they're calling and they're tweeting. >> katy tur follows the trump
campaign for nbc and joins us from trump towers. he'll meet with the group of black pastors. talk about what this meeting was intended to be as the trump campaign would like us to perceive it. >> reporter: meeting right now. supposed to start at 1:00 rainy pushed back to 1:30. last week they announced the meeting as a meeting with 100 black pastors and then endorse the candidate. he zrunt a lot of endorsements out there. this was going to be a big one, especially to fly in the face of the allegations of racism he's been dealing with over the past few weeks and the duration of the campaign. on sunday, after they announced it, they abruptly canceled the press conference saying it would be a private meeting and canceled because a number of pastors who were attending said they weren't necessarily going to endorse trump and they were coming for a meeting to talk to him to see where he stands on the issues and talk to him about the rhetoric that they've been hearing on the campaign trail and coming to black lives
matter, protesters, as well as some of the tweets he's sending out that have had bogus crime stats and one in particular that said that most white people killed were killed by black people. that turned -- that is not true and so the meeting was supposed to in their minds kind of talk about that and get on the same page and see where he stands and see if he can change some of the rhetoric. the trump campaign wanted it to be a big meeting where you would be able to say look who's endorsing me. not all of them doing that and spoken to a number walked in and expect to have some of them at least endorse the trump campaign including the leader of the group, pastor daryl scott from ohio. a big endorser of trump in the past and he is trying to rally his fellow pastors, fellow members, to get behind trmp who he sees as the best man for the job. >> of course, one of the things is his racism or apparent racism or his stance on women and, of
course, other races that our country represents. >> what do you mean by his racism? >> it appears if he is a possible racist based upon some of the things he said about black america and some of the things he said about other people. >> reporter: now, after this meeting, trump heads to macon, georgia for a n rally. herrmann cain will be there for the second rally attending and not officially endorsed trmp. thomas? >> katy tur from new york city, thank you very much. here's the responses to the bing pulse question of the day. >> should donald trump back down from the 9/11 rhetoric? look how this has grown. when we checked in with the scoreboard, this was at 51% of the viewers saying yes. now 67%. those who say, no, 33% of you.
break that down in realtime, as we're monitoring this, especially while you're having that conversation with katy tur, look at this, overwhelmingly most of the viewers saying, yes, donald trump should back down. breaking it down by political party, the democrats seen in blue here, also reflecting what our scoreboard is saying, majority of democrats saying yes. republicans in red. fluctuating between yes and neutrals and independents how are they looking? yes and no based on realtime, again. from the discussion we're having and katy's reporting. continue the conversation as we take your votes and let's continue to see if this grows as it did right there. one point 68% saying, yes, should donald trump back down from the 9/11 rhetoric. thomas? >> okay. frances, keep us posted. thank you very much. as promised, we wanted to show you these images of president obama at dinner with france's president hollande. the two world leaders out for supper there in paris.
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every mouse click that you do online is going to be collected by these massive data collecting tools on the internet and assembled in these data bases. >> reporter: the more we shop, the more we buy, the more we search for restaurants, movie times or real estate questions, the more they pinpoint who we are. even where we live. the ip address is given away my address? >> yes. getting the ip address and sometimes tells them within a block where you are. >> reporter: here's where it's really creepy. it's the most personal questions googled out of concern for ourselves, family members and friends. emergency loans, cheating spouses, cancer, substance abuse, stds all in that data base. that information is already being used by insurance companies and butzs screening potential employees. this feels like george orwell, feels like "1984."
>> you are never anonymous online and the internet never forgets. >> enlightening from tom costello reporting there. here's some steps to take to maintain your privacy that can help you out especially kind of creeped out by the stuff we just learned. number one, consider clearing your cache and then turning off the cookie trackers and may mean that some websites don't remember you and try using a privacy blocker, like privacy badger. that actually stops advertisers and third parties from tracking you on the web and also shows you how many websites are trying to track you. and if you want to go completely anonymous here, use a service that masks your ip address routing you through the world. one of those is called disconnect me.com. or actually, disconnect.me. valuable information. when you think it's you and your computer, not necessarily the case. >> no. the internet never forgets.
thanks so much. appreciate that. when we come back, talking about shooting death of laquan mcdonald, how it's began valuized protesters you see right there. new aim nlgs out of chicago as members of the naacp are carrying coffins in the streets. >> we need answers with respect to why one video took so long and the other one is yet to appear and may not yet appear. >> the officer charged in his death is about to get his moment in court. and then, classes canceled today at the university of chicago after an online threat mentioning gun violence at that campus. but first, we're going to head out to iowa where ted cruz is campaigning neck and neck with donald trump in the latest state poll. we take a look at the rise of cruz. get ready for homecomings. i see you brought a friend? i wanna see, i wanna see. longing. serendipity. what are the... chances. and good tidings to all.
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it. >> so there we have ted cruz at rally earlier supporting donald trump and also saying that trump won't be the eventual nominee. the texas senator having his own campaign moment, at least in iowa. latest polling there indicating a surge in support for ted cruz whose biggest target right now isn't trump. rather, it is another senator in this race. marco rubio of florida. politico reports that others are rallying around marco rubio as cruz rises. ka s kasie hunt has more from iowa. >> reporter: good afternoon. we're waiting for senator cruz to arrive on the final day of the iowa swing. he's been in the hawkeye state for a couple of days wooing voters here at the thanksgiving kreek weekend and what's brewing is a clash between him and fellow senator rubio. you are seeing colleagues in the senate start to go and support
rubio. he's made a lot of controversial moves over just the few years he's been there that have turned a lot of colleagues against him but the fight here on the ground in iowa, thomas, is over immigration. cruz, of course, opposed that gang of eight immigration bill in the senate. rubio, of course, a key proponent of that and pretty personal on the campaign trail with ted cruz talking about rubio misleading voters and saying that he now, of course, changed the position on whether a path to citizenship is a good idea or not. but we are going to see that play out here, of course, cruz jumping up in the iowa polls in recent days as ben carson support started to fade and the question for rubio is going to be whether or not he can find an early state to win. if ted cruz pulls off a win in iowa, you have an establishment fight in new hampshire, thomas, and then south carolina. it's not clear that rubio has anywhere to go. >> kasie hunt reporting in iowa, thanks so much. our big pulse question of the
day about donald trump, his comment that is he's made about muslims and their celebrations during 9/11. it is the focus and asking should he tone down the rhetoric? previous update showed 68% voted, yes. 32% voted, no. 71% say, yes, he should. 29 pst saying, no. the pulse is live. check it out. pulse.msnbc.com. also developing now, senator and democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders is under going surgery. his office saying sanders is having an elective outpatient hernia repair surgery in d.c. and will return to work in the senate tomorrow. developing news now from chicago where a judge has just set a $1.5 million bond for jason vandyke. vandyke is the officer charged in the death of laquan mcdonald. video showed vandyke shooting the teen 16 times in the street. outside of the courtroom,
demonstrators rallied calling for changes to the chicago p.d. here's some of what they had to say. >> we are here because we are as a city, as a citizenry, as a nation grieving the death, the senseless and tragic death of laquan mcdonald. >> msnbc's adam reese live in chicago. what more do we know about what happened inside the courtroom? bail is set. is officer vandyke going to be able to make bail? >> reporter: well, set at $1.5 million. he has to come up with $150,000. he has a couple different areas, resources to turn to. whether or not he comes up with the money is not clear. he came into court under very heavy security, layers of security. there was an emergency response unit standing around him, near them there was a cook county sheriff standing behind him. very heavy security. the judge asked to see the video. the dash cam video, the judge
was going to watch this and then make a decision on bail. the judge tried to watch it but there's a technical difficulty. a five-minute resource. came back. he watched it. he said i'm not going to judge guilt or innocence. the prosecution wanted him to stay over for trial. the defense said he's not a flight risk. he's here. he wants to fight this case. and he's presumed innocent. here's his defense attorney. >> he's prepared to defend himself. he is very scared about the consequences that he's facing. he's concerned for his wife and his children. but he is handling it like a professional and he is ready to move on and take this step by step. >> reporter: now, the defense attorney says he's happy that he got bond. he is looking forward to going home and seeing his family. the next court date is december 18th. thomas? >> so as we follow reaction to all of this we know that the naacp is also holding a rally at the same time, adam.
what more do you know about that? >> reporter: well, they're calling for 16 days of protest. that goes for the 16 shots that were fired at laquan mcdonald. they site a university of chicago study. 10,000 officers received complaints between 2002 and 2004. of those, 85% weren't investigated according to this report. they weren't even interviewed. only 19 out of 10,000 pursued legally. so that's something they're going to discuss in their afternoon press conference. >> msnbc's adam reese for us in chicago, thanks so much. we'll keep the stories in chicago right now. the chicago fbi is saying an individual is in custody in connection to a threat of gun violence at the university of chicago campus and it resulted in the cancelation of all classes and activities on the campus today. after the thanksgiving holiday break. nbc news justice correspondent
pete williams joins me with the late latest. what are you hearing? >> reporter: there's an apparent connection between this and the mcdonald case you were talking about. a student at another university in the chicago area, the university of illinois at chicago, has been arrested and will be in federal court this afternoon to face charges of making this online threat that shut down classes today at the university of chicago. the classes will open tomorrow. the cam pause will be back open. according to officials, somebody saw on a website a threat to the university of chicago that was pretty specific about time and place, the main quad of the campus at 10:00 a.m. today. and it was said that it was going to be in retaliation for the shooting of laquan mcdonald. the fbi has since determined who or believes they know who sent this message, posted this message and that person's residence we're told has been searched but no weapons have been found.
nonetheless, the posting of the threat is a serious violation, a serious charge. and this person, this student, will be in court this afternoon. >> pete williams reporting in washington, d.c. for us on this, thanks for the update. we'll talk sports for you right now and a surprise announcement late last night. take a listen. >> finally i just had to just accept the fact that i -- i don't want to do this anymore. you know? it's -- i'm okay with that. and, you know, once i accepted that, then it became time to just let everybody know. i mean, why not? takes a load off my shoulders and everybody else's and the right thing to do. >> the basketball part of his life anyway, the five-time nba champion, 17-time all-time and the number three scorer all-time in the nba announced he's going to retire at the end of the season. so how did he do it? in a poem, handed out to lakers
fans on sunday, it appeared online on the players tribune in his love letter titled dear basketball and in which he writes my heart can take the pounding, my mind can handle the grind, but my body knows it's time to say good-bye. joining me is adam schultz. talk about timing. what are sports conspirists saying? >> he is almost 40 years. been in the nba over half his life. >> he's 37. right? i'm highly insulted. >> the reason i mention it is he was drafted at 17 and for him the pounding, the playoffs, the five world championships, the olympics, taken its toll. i do believe that this is the right time for him to do it because, a, not going to go to the playoffs and give him an opportunity, thomas, to have a swan song going to opposing
arenas for the last time. >> it's like derek jeter. >> that's what i thought. they're player tribune guys. people compare him to michael jordan and there's still, position. jordan with the six rings. kobe with the five. the one biggest thing i look at is the value of the lakers that he's created aside from the winning. when he joined the team in '96 as a rookie, they were worth $200 million. now almost $3 billion. a lot of that is kobe. i think part of the legacy is how many more he could have won had he had shaq longer. that's another story. >> the legacy, too, how does he use this time to shine up that 20 years in pro sport that is wasn't always gleaming? >> it wasn't. he survived a lot. specifically a rape case in colorado a decade ago and if you look now, if you compared it to then, you wouldn't have thought this is -- he is a beloved athlete now but i think he's a guy that he always played with a
chip on his shoulder and then he also off the court was able to overcome that. that's a big advantage for him the second half of his life or i should say at 37, still got a long way to go and this is a guy that played angry, thomas, and it will be interesting to see how he transitions away from basketball. >> wrote a poem. to fans. >> he does say he's retiring and said he will be honored to be part of team usa in brazil. >> yeah. >> so yeah. interesting to see if that happens. >> most likely will be there. thank you. appreciate it. when we come back, the trial beginning today for the first baltimore police officer charged in the death of freddie gray. there will be six in all. could he be a witness against the other five officers charged? cyber monday, does cyber monday mean anything more with yearlong shopping season? we make you to the amazon shipping center in new jersey.
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the trial of former baltimore police officer william porter is about to begin for the alleged role in the death of freddie gray. it is under way today with jury selection. porter charged with assault, manslaughter and misconduct. he's pleaded not guilty. porter is the first of six potential trials in this case. five other former officers expected to be tried over the next several months. freddie gray was allegedly critically injured in april aspect sha shackled and placed without a seat belt. ari melber is msnbc's chief legal kronl. explain the reason for trying porter first and how important the testimony is going to be in the potential five other trials. >> well, his testimony could be vital in those other subsequent trials, particularly found guilty and then becomes some kind of cooperating witness. you ask a good question, thomas.
when's the strategy here? the short answer is we don't know. prosecutors don't have to announce it but we would expect based on past precedence, they believe this is the strongest case, start strong with something you think you can win, set a tone. >> isn't this also really going to reveal the jury pool issues for baltimore? because today we got a pool of 65 to 70 potential jurors, ari. 23 said they had strong feelings about police misconduct or manslaughter. a lot of people would probably be hard to find that hadn't heard about the civil settlement ginn to the gray family, $6.4 million or the press coverage. >> you raise two important issue there is in the question, thomas. number one, what do they know about the case? number two, what views, or biases or ideas, do they bring to the case. in any trial you get a jury of your peers, that's the constitution promises and that means people who are similarly
situated and not necessarily automatically bad or unfair if they have heard something about your kind of situation or the specific situation. the question put to these jurors today in this process what they call voir diring, the questioning and the sort of investigation of each potential juror is can you put that aside, will you do your duty as a citizen and not to bring those ideas into the courtroom but, rather, give a fair minded evaluation of the facts themselves. as to any potential bias or strong feelings you have, thomas, that goes regardless of hearing of a porl case and may come in with an idea about the police or about a defendant or a suspect in a situation or about lawyers or about doctors, right? people have all sorts of ideas. if through that process, questionses of jurors there's bias found, they can be struck, removed from either side. not a perfect system but it is one that we've used since the dawn of our country to try to weed out people who seem too unfair and focus in on those willing to do their duty an it's
solemn and important duty to give this officer, this defendant, a fair trial, a fair view of only the facts presented in court, nothing else out of court. >> so if you're looking at this just from the legal perspective of a civil settlement given to the family of any criminal trial, is that an indication of guilt on their part or the city's part in the gray death? >> not in the eyes of the criminal death. that civil suit and its resolution is on a different standard, a lower standard, something in the ballpark of 51%. not the high standard of beyond a reasonable doubt and a lot closer to 100 than 50 and the fact what someone at a lower standard found something is not relevant. indeed, prejudicial if the jurors held it against the defendant. he's entitled to the full trial regardless of any events outside the courtroom. in closing, that's what the jurors at this very hour are
being questioned on, will they look at the evidence only presented in this trial, thomas? >> ari, thank you. appreciate that breakdown. much more to come covering all six of the trials moving forward. on a different note, today, it is cyber monday. and that is supposed to mean for you, deals, clicking, deals, more clicking. there are some online security concerns to know up front. we'll be live at an amazon processing center in new jersey. surprise!!!!! we heard you got a job as a developer! its official, i work for ge!! what? wow... yeah! okay... guys, i'll be writing a new language for machines so planes, trains, even hospitals can work better. oh! sorry, i was trying to put it away... got it on the cake. so you're going to work on a train? not on a train...on "trains"! you're not gonna develop stuff anymore? no i am... do you know what ge is?
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robinville, new jersey, and every machine is moving fast to process the orders. is this the tipping point for online sales? >> reporter: you know, thomas, i would say this is the tipping point. according to a national retail federation survey put out yesterday for the first time ever, more americans said that they went shopping over the black friday and thanksgiving weekend online than in stores. americans prefer to shop online in the convenience of that than waiting in line in a store. overall, sales in physical stores were down by about 10%. all of the growth was online. according to adobe online, sales up by 14% and bodes well for retailers here on cyber monday. adobe predicting nearly $3 billion in sales will be done today alone. the average discount they say is 23%. here at amazon, they think this will be their busiest day ever. i'm in this giant fulfillment center, the size of 28 football fields, thomas.
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comeback from controversy. but we begin in colorado where in just half an hour robert dear jr. will make his first court appearance via closed circuit tv, accused of going on a shooting rampage at a colorado springs planned parenthood clinic on friday killing three and wounding nine. the victims police officer garrett swayze, a father of two who responded after the gun fire started. jennifer markovsky and ke'are stewart. an iraq war veteran who ran back into the building after being shot warning others to take cover. his brother talked about his brother's heroic efforts. >> that's his military instinct, you know. leave no soldier behind or leave no civilian behind. leave no one behind. he run back inside trying to help out others and, i