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but we begin in colorado where in just half an hour robert dear jr. will make his first court appearance via closed circuit tv, accused of going on a shooting rampage at a colorado springs planned parenthood clinic on friday killing three and wounding nine. the victims police officer garrett swayze, a father of two who responded after the gun fire started. jennifer markovsky and ke'are stewart. an iraq war veteran who ran back into the building after being shot warning others to take cover. his brother talked about his brother's heroic efforts. >> that's his military instinct, you know. leave no soldier behind or leave no civilian behind. leave no one behind. he run back inside trying to help out others and, i mean, i don't know where he was at as
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far as how many more breaths he had but he knew. you know? and before his time ran out, i guess that was his main priority. was to help and save other lives. >> joining me now from the courthouse in colorado springs is nbc's blake mccoy. blake, what are we expecting this hour? >> reporter: kate, that hearing is essentially to notify robert dear of what he's being accused of so we're expecting three counts of murder, nine counts of attempted murder. at the very least. he's in the jail behind me. the courthouse is about 15 miles from here which is why as you mentioned this is being done via video link. as you can see, at the courthouse, the -- at the jail here, the flags at half staff and looking at the crowd that's gathered, television cameras that's because we're waiting right now for officer swayze's body to be released from the
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coroner and just in the next building over. there's going to be a small procession to take the body to the funeral home and the funeral scheduled for friday so that's what we're waiting on right now, kate. >> have we learned anymore background today about the shooter himself? >> reporter: we know he's 57 years old. he lived about an hour away from here. nbc news sent a crew up there. he lived in an rv but lived a pretty solitary life. from what we're told by neighbors, not a lot of interaction with him. kind of a recluse. he lived in north carolina and south carolina. his criminal record does include an arrest for domestic violence and an accusation of him being a peeping tom but nothing involving guns to the extreme violence we saw here last friday. >> all right. blake mccoy out in colorado springs, thanks so much. i want to bring in alexis mcgill-johnson, a planned parenthood board member and executive director of perception institute. from what you've been told as a board member, what are you s surmising about what happened here on friday? >> we are trying to find out
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with the rest of america what madness ensued. i think as a board and as a, you know, just kind of a volunteer and support of the organization, we're concerned about making sure the staff stays comfortable, committed that they can be as resilient as they can be. they have proven to be unbelievable with respect to keeping the doors open for business the next day, making sure that there's no woman, no patient that's in need that's not being cared for and so that's what our focus has been is, you know, as vicki cowert says is squaring our shoulders and getting back to work. that's what we need to be doing. >> the republican candidates slow to respond and then when they started to respond this weekend, some outspoken and blaming planned parenthood for politicizing the story. this is what ted cruz had to say on sunday. >> i think there has been some vicious rhetoric on the left
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blaming those who are pro-life. we don't fully know the motivations of this deranged individual. >> so in his view, planned parenthood has been too quick to point blame. >> i don't even know how to make sense of that. right? this is an incredible tragedy that, you know, didn't happen by accident in, you know, in the place down the street. this was at a planned parenthood. the assailant was talking about the -- those heavily discredited videos that were put out earlier this summer and so, i mean, the idea that it isn't linked to the extreme rhetoric and the extreme rhetoric around planned parenthood for a last few months is really kind of surprising to me. >> so you think there's a link between rhetoric i would assume owe're saying on the republican side about the videos and what the individual did? >> i think trying to explain behavior, you have to look at causation, correlation and contribution and i think
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definitely that at minimum there is an incredible linkage of the culture and the rhetoric in creating permission. obviously, this man was deranged. obviously, you know, you can see all kinds of science around that and his history and pattern of domestic violence and the idea acting upon it has to come from a cultural permission that's happening, as well. >> planned parenthood clinics across colorado are open for business today. what are you telling women? how do you reassure women going for an appointment they'll be safe? >> security has always been a primary concern of planned parenthood ensuring that the staff, providers, patients, this is not a new experience for planned parenthood, unfortunately. right? we have been around for 100 years. and we can remember when things were very extreme over the past decades when clinics were being bombed and providers targeted and what we know from every law enforcement official who commented on the actual shooting is that our staff and our
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security were so professional and how they handled that they actually minimized the amount of injuries and lives lost and i think that, you know, we are standing behind that saying that we are safe, our security is heightened as it's been and making sure that anyone who is in need of quality health care is able to come into a planned parenthood today. >> alexis mcgill-johnson, thank you for being with us. >> thank you very having me. for some context, friday's attack on a planned parenthood clinic is late nest a long history of violence against abortion providers. according to the national abortion federation, since 1977, there have been 8 murders, 17 attempted murders, 42 bombings. additionally, they've seen close to 200 cases of arsons and nearly 100 attempted arsons and trespassing, more than 4,000 cases. for a look at when's unfolded in kro c over the last several months, i'm joined by aaron
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carmen, national reporter when's been really looking at this issue for a long time. you have been reporting on women's reproductive health issues. talk to me about this particular planned parenthood location in colorado springs. they were already on high alert. >> well, kate, while we don't have any evidence that this shooter was officially involved in any way or directly influenced by anti-abortion activism, the staff was particularly on guard. that's because earlier this summer, the anti-abortion group center for medical progress released a group of secret ly recorded -- >> it's in denver, colorado. >> filmed in denver and oversees the clinics and colorado springs clinic, showed her discussing the donation of fetal tissue for research. the allegation is, quote, the sale of fetal parts. you have heard this again and again and republican candidates saying it. that planned parenthood sells
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baby parts and something that planned parenthood adamantly deni denies. they said it's legal to accept reimbursement an they no longer accept that reimbursement and because the colorado clinic was part of this sting operation, they were already, they say, experiencing even more threats than they normally do and colorado springs itself has h historically been a center for activism. >> when the tapes come out and they're based around denver, what was the reaction in colorado springs? >> well, after the state of colorado decided not to officially open an investigation into what was said on the videos, because they felt there was not enough evidence tying them to criminal wrongdoing, there was a backlash in particular among the colorado springs elected representatives. their u.s. congressman, state representative pushes the state, the attorney general, pushed them to change the decision to target planned parenthood for an official investigation which they did not do. >> pushed hard to change the
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investigation. she said, no, i'm not going to? >> deferred to the department of health and said there's no grounds for an investigation. >> colorado springs is interesting place, right? focus on the family, very much a conservative organization, very, very anti-abortion rights and then you've also got less restrictive abortion law in colorado as i understand it. it's maybe easier access there. >> it's a real crossroads. you have these enormous mega churches of which the cop who was killed defending the planned parenthood clinic was part of a congregation and opposed abortion and you have this very evangelical strong wack ground and then a libertarian more permissive streak, less restrictions. you have the only doctor in the country that openly discusses providing third trimester abortions. >> for people you're talking to across the country now, is there fear or people concerned about
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copycat attacks? >> certainly abortion clinics are also on a high level of alert and even more so. this morning i'm spending time talking to activists and seeing what their response is, whether they feel like they've been responsible in any way an they're furious saying they condemn violence and even though some members of their movement have engaged in violence against abortion clinics, they're saying we are not responsible for this. >> erin, thank you so much. >> thank you. straight ahead, president obama joins world leaders just outside paris to tackle climate change and to try to send the message that terrorism won't derail their collective agenda. derail their collective agenda. blan blank holiday season, get ready for mystery. what's in the trunk? nothing. romance. 18 inch alloys. you remembered. family fun. everybody squeeze in. don't block anyone. and non-stop action. noooooooo! it's the event you don't want to miss. it's the season of audi sales event.
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. president obama is in paris today helping to kick off a massive climate change summit.
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over 150 countries will try to find ways to cut carbon emissions and curb the effects of climate change. earlier today the president said the united states is committed to addressing the issue. >> i've come here personally as the leader of the world's largest economy and the second largest emitter to say that the united states of america not only recognizes our role in creating this problem, we embrace our responsibility to do something about it. >> summit is taking place under extremely tight security following the terror attacks in paris. on sunday, police and demonstrators clashed. some 200 people were arrested. i want to bring in nbc's kelly o'donnell from paris now. kelly, when's the latest from there? >> reporter: well, dinner for 12 is the latest, kate. the french president is taking president obama to dinner in paris at a parisian restaurant, not the official resident or the
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event site and a sign of the hospitality extended here and again of moving forward, of not allowing the concerns about security to in any way inhibit this conference and the diplomacy that comes with it from going forward. so that's happening tonight. we can also tell you that president obama had an unscheduled meeting today with vladimir putin so it was not an event where there was news crew able to record it or official statements back and forth. it was more on the sidelines, if you will. the kremlin, however, did release a couple of photos of vladimir putin and barack obama together and told by white house officials is that the conversation hit subject that is are key especially with the sensitivity about isis. is the russian effort in syria in line with what the u.s. and french goals are? and in part, there are some questions about that as you know because of vladimir putin is more supportive of seeing assad remain in power.
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top officials here tell us just a short time ago they believe that russia has intensified its attacks on isis targets and not just against moderate syrian opposition forces. and so, there was also a conversation about turkey and russia and the turkish president are not speaking here. but tomorrow, president obama will meet with president erdogan of turkey and the tension, of course, of shooting down a military jet of russia in an airspace dispute and, of course, the ongoing tensions. while climate change is the reason that brought 150 leaders together, there are other hot topics, pressing, also a big part of the conversation here. certainly with the isis threat and the aftermath of the terror attacks here in paris, the mood suggests needing to acknowledge that and also the gravity of world events does, too. >> i was going to ask you, as well, there was so much talk of protesters that the climate change summit, well before the attacks in paris and then on sunday we saw the clashes of
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police and protesters and any of that today or have things calmed down? >> reporter: things have been much more calm and there are different areas where this has all played out and the secure area at sort of a suburban airport location is where the world leaders had been meeting and, of course, there were some protests that were canceled and a climate event would always bring about demonstrators and people with strong feelings from around the world that gather for this event but given when's happening here, france exerted extra measures to try to tamp things down and to keep things secure and certainly again the president dining in paris tonight, being able to move about the city is a sign to try to show paris is alive working, at the same time, exerting extra security measures. kate? >> a real statement, thanks so much. let's talk about the stakes at this historic climate change summit and bring in tony decopul.
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so you have been following this. in terms of climate change summits, put this in perspective for us. what are they hoping to accomplish? >> it's unprecedented. you have 196 countries in the world agreeing that global warming is an issue and virtually all of them pledged to cut the pollution that causes global warming. we have a debate about it. the rest of the sworld gathering in paris and saying, okay, it's settled. >> it is a problem. >> we're coming the table. what makes it an interesting human drama is president obama is trying to lead on the issue. at the opening ceremonies, given three minutes to speak and he went nine minutes. he is trying to lead. meanwhile, he has delegation of members of congress there talking to his colleagues, to his co-negotiators trying to undermine the deal. they think it's rue nous for the american economy. it's high stakes. >> the idea is to walk away with a pledge, right? some kind of agreement on how to lower carbon emissions?
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>> yeah. the wording is interesting because if it's treaty, congress has to ratify it and ours will not and obama is trying to make it voluntary and nonbinding and significant. you want to keep the pledges high and can't go too high and then it's congress and then you have a big mess and it's a very delicate dance of obama with huge stakes. references the future of our planet, children and grandchildren and the stakes could not be higher. >> he said between 2000 and 2015, 14 of the 15 warmest years on record. that was part of his speech this morning. i want to ask you about china, tony. because today we have got pictures in from china. the pollution is just horrible there right now. some of the worst -- look at the smog. some of the worst they have seen this whole year in beijing. is china likely to resist efforts to clamp down on carbon emissions? >> not resist and also not fully on board. the united states agreed to cut by more than 25%.
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tonight donald trump will be sharing the stage with former gop 2012 front-runner, businessman herman cain in georgia. the event comes after a meeting trump held with black pastors this afternoon. that event was originally supposed to include a press conference but the media availability canceled today after some of the attend des took issue with the trump campaign's claim that the
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pastors were meant to endorse donald trump. that all comes after the republican front-runner got into a heated exchange with chuck todd on "meet the press" yesterday over his claim that he saw muslims celebrating the september 11th attacks. take a listen. >> yesterday i was in sarasota, florida, people saying they lived in new jersey. >> people were saying. people were saying. >> lower in florida. >> if i said -- mr. trump, if i said, well, people have said mr. trump is not worth $10 million, you would say that's crazy. you wouldn't make a business deal based on retweets and hearsay. you're running for president of the united states. >> chuck -- >> your words matter. >> this -- >> truthfulness matters. >> chuck? >> take it easy. play cool. >> joining me now, nbc news's katy tur. we heard the exchange and curious about what you're hearing about the meeting with black pastors that just wrapped
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up. >> reporter: your words matter and hearing from the black pastors and told the meeting is intense and positive and a number of pastors raised their voices. and they believe that donald trump listened and heard the concerns. trump sat there and didn't say as much as the pastors did and certainly sitting there and taking a lot of their insight and concern. will he change his rhetoric? will he change his tone from now on? well, that's unclear but there is a sense that this was a positive meeting, also unclear just how many of them will be coming out here to endorse him after this meeting. a lot of them taking a lot of fire from the communities back home for even appearing to support him, especially after the tweet about the incorrect crime stats and the black lives matter protester kicked and punched at a rally and trump did
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not saying that that was wrong of the supporters and instead telling supporters that it was probably what the guy deserved. kate? >> and what about tonight's meeting with her man cain? endorsing donald trump? do we know? >> reporter: we don't know if he's going to be endorsing donald trump. this is second time that herman cain is appeared at a donald trump rally an joined him october 9th in norcross, georgia. didn't endorse him then but appearing alongside him does show some level of support and says cain is bashing jeb bush and saying he was a pizza guy leading the polls. cain said at least i was once winning. jeb bush is doing nothing but losing throughout the entire campaign. the problem is him. so jeb bush really taking it from all skids right now and can't seem to win a battle. be it with donald trump or herman cain. >> all right. katy, thanks so much. chris christie is in new
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hampshire for a two-day swing to include events across the state. he just wrapped up a business roundtable luncheon in portsmouth and then next hour announcing he has the backing of coalition of law enforcement officials in new hampshire and events on the heels of a major endorsement of "the union leader." according to the paper, chris christie, quote, the one candidate with range and type of experience the nation desperately needs. joining me now, msnbc host and correspondent steve kornacki. now significant is the "union leader's" endorsement? >> potential significant. the cynics say they've picked duds in the past. pete dupont. >> when? >> 1988. picked pee dupont. in fifth place. 8% up there. picked newt gingrich four years ago and didn't get traction in new hampshire. what christie is trying to emulate here is john mccain. it was eight years ago in the
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fall of 2007 that john mccain was given up for dead nationally, nationally numbers collapsed, lost his money and retreated to new hampshire and he started doing all the town halls in new hampshire, all the editorial board meetings and around the same time in 2007, around thanksgiving, that john mccain got the endorsement of the "union leader" and told political leaders in the state, look, he deserves a second look and the second look is what christie is going after here, the style very similar to mccain's. the town halls, the free wheeling things, off the cuff comments, similar sort of style there and source of appeal between christie and mccain. so, if it gives him a second look that it got mccain, it is significant. >> wasn't too long ago, steve, talking about chris christie and grinch-gate and the scandal of the george washington bridge. >> bridge-gate, i was astonished
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asking him what if anything he learned from this. he said he learned not to be so trusting. i said, you're a u.s. attorney. you trust people? but i think it show that is it's a big state and he's weathered that. >> he's weathered that. here's the publisher of the paper endorsing him saying that bridge-gate is sort of a thing of the past. >> that's what christie will tell you. however, two former top christie aides currently under federal indictment and awaiting trial. there have been a number of procedural delays and supposed to have started by now and now probably won't start until april and from christie's standpoint, the primary in new hampshire february, a lot of big ones in march. the trial is after all of that. however, the defense lawyers are firing a flurry of motions and trying to get the list of what they call the unindicted co-conspirators and the question is if the federal prorls are forced between now and that trial to cough up that list, to
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identify those people, how close does that get to christie and there is also still this second investigation that spring up around bridge-gate with united airlines and the confidant, david sampson, a question there, does he getten dieted sometime next few months and if that happens, how does sampson respond and try to cut a deal? there are still a lot of issues. it's been going on for a while. it's not revolved. >> that's playing out april, may, june. >> when the court stuff ends with that, you have three people out there, wildsteen, kelly and maroney attacked in the press. they will have a chance to come public and i bet they have a lot to say. there's that, too. >> thank you so much. >> sure. we dig into the politics of planned parenthood. also, we're moments away from the first court appearance of the accused planned parenthood shooter robert dear. we're live outside the criminal
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police officer jason vandyke appeared in a chicago court today for a bond hearing. you remember the video of the shooting of 17-year-old laquan mcdonald released last week. prompted protests in chicago. police had been responding to a report of a young man with a knife. attempting to break into cars. well, today, the judge set bond at $1.5 million for the officer facing a first-degree murder charge. let me bring in msnbc's adam reese at the courthouse in chicago. adam? >> reporter: kate, he entered under exroad their security. layers of officer. there's emergency service unit. the arms held with a black bar. his legs were in shackles and the judge watched the video. on a laptop up at the judge -- where the judge sat.
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he said i'm not here to judge guilt or innocence. the prosecution wanted to hold the officer over until trial but the defense said he's not a flight risk. he's presumed innocent and wants to fight this. no criminal ror. i spoke to his attorney afterwards. he said he's happy he got bail and needs to raise $150,000 but he wants to be with his family. next court date is december 18th. kate? >> okay. adam reese in chicago, thanks. now to baltimore and jury selection started for police officer william porter. the first officer of six accused in the death of freddie gray to go on trial. porter has pleaded not guilty to manslaughter and misconduct. grey, of course, died of an apparent spinal injury after arrest by baltimore police in april. the death sparked huge protests and an outcry against police brutality. let's bring in ari melber. he is the first of six officers that have been accused of -- in
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the death. why this particular officer's case first? >> well, the short answer is we don't know because the prosecutors don't have to explain their trial strategy but we would expect they think this is the strongest and best case for reasons of momentum like in any non legal endeavor. or if they secured a guilty verdict against officer porter he might be a cooperating witness and even been reports of baltimore press we haven't seen in the court yet that he may have made statements about being told by mr. gray that he needed medical care and go to whether he had some extra knowledge or should have known that this person, this individual, needed care and yet, of course, he didn't get that care and put in the back of the van and went on to sustain injuries that contributed to his death. >> jury selection, when's that process look like? >> basically looks like a pool of jurors. we know about 65 to 70 jurors today and answering questions
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about what they know about the case, about any views to bring to the case an all comes down to a very core question that anyone can relate to, which is, can you be fair and start with an open mind? our system does not assume that people have no opinions on anything or that they have never heard of anything before. indeed, talking about a jury of our peers, in some sense we mean an informed jury with some sense of what it is, in this case, what it is to be a defendant, an officer, what are the difficulties of that and in this community and even with that knowledge you will bring an open mind and only look -- this is what both sides, by the way, both lawyers in this case look for, look to the evidence presented in the trial. not what you heard beforehand, not a video you may or may not have seen and what folks argued about in thanksgiving. so that's what they're asking today and either side as we have discussed on your show and others before, either side can
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strike people. >> what exactly is mr. porter being charged with? >> with manslaughter, thoos say, he may not have intentionally or premeditated way to kill this person but the actions on duty contributed to the death in simple terms, the van on the screen there we know he was loaded into, that van became in essence a weapon against this individual. now, some people may hear that and say is that farfetched, fair? but there were multiple reports of a practice called rough rides. this is key to the prosecution's case where folks, suspects were knowingly put in dangerous conditions or not secured in the back of a vehicle and in this case the allegation further he had injuries and complaining about them so that that van became a weapon, that vehicle became a means by which to injure and the officers saying, no, they had this individual, arrested him for a reason and
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transporting him and strenuously deny the idea to use the van to deliberately hurt mr. gray. >> thank you. >> sure. i want to bring in tremain lee. good to see you. >> likewise. >> so this first trial in baltimore, what does it mean to the community to have the first officer going up on trial? >> when you think about the proverbial journey of a thousand miles, these are the first steps in when case, a long yojourney over six different cases over the death of freddie gray. people in the community who say they've never experienced justice saying when the state's attorney stood there and said i heard your calls of no justice, no peace, and that i need peace to seek justice for freddie gray, and his family, that resonated deeply with the community. again, baltimore not unlike many other cities across this country is a city very much divided,
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very much unequal in terms of different outcomes, health, education, economic state is poor. but still divided. and so this case represents some sort of hope that justice may prevail, that at least when the police are accused of killing someone there may be a semblance of accountability. >> when we look at the six officers who are charged in this, the first one to go to trial happens to be african-american male. is that significant? >> those who are on the ground experiencing, you know, interaction with the police every single day will say that while the victim's race is pertinent and so often young black men especially are victims of what they say is brutality and abuse by the police, not just black and white. there's another color, blue. and that it's a police system that has been designed and geared towards oppressing people, poor people especially, and people of color. so the fact that he's an african-american means little to those who are, again, feeling
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the impact of these interactions every single day and more about the color blue, the police department and opposite side baltimore and beleaguered so very long. >> we saw the turmoil in that community over the summer. what do you expect around this trial and the other trials of the officers? do you think things will remain calm or are there protests planned? >> we have already seen small protest outside of the courthouse in baltimore saying they'll come back again and this is a very long process. i expect that the protests will heat up further along in the process but as you see all across the country, right now in chicago, minneapolis, this wide network of activists not just black lives matter, but a whole network of protesters and activists around the country congealed around the idea to almost smell some semblance of justice. pushing this system, that this is indeed changing. again, whether or not it remains peaceful or not is yet to be seen. there's so many disaffected people feeling the only way
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their voice is heard or respected is with broken glass and maybe flames. organizers say let's not focus on the kind of violence that people are fearful of. talk about the violence that has happened already and continues to happen in terms of the police and african-americans and minorities in this country. >> thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. after the break, how 2016 candidates on both sides of the aisle reacting to the deadly shooting at the colorado planned parenthood.
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bringing our total donations to over sixty-five million dollars. and bringing love where it's needed most. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. friday's deadly shooting at a colorado planned parenthood clinic sparked a lot of very partisan political talk. here with me to walk through how presidential candidates reacting, host and correspondent steve kornacki. steve? >> yeah, kate. this has become the newest front in that battle we have been seeing for a few years now over planned parenthood. planned parenthood, a group that the republicans, many at least, want to defund. that's been their issue for that while and supporters of planned
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parenthood in the wake of the shooting saying that some of the rhetoric on the right and by republicans, they're saying fueled this shooting. for instance, this is dawn, the executive vice president of planned parenthood. she says it is not enough just to denounce the tragedy without also denouncing the poisonous rhetoric that fueled it. instead, some politicians are continuing to stoke it which is unconscionab unconscionable. some very severe words there. that is prompting strong responses from republican candidates told essentially that their rhetoric is leading to shootings like this. this is how ted cruz responded to that this morning. >> this was a despicable homicide. this was an individual who's deranged. and i will say it's unfortunate to see so many folks in the press bending over backwards to try to use this horrible crime to advance a political agenda. >> and it's not just ted cruz.
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donald trump was on "meet the press" yesterday and asked about reports the shooter said in custody he made a reference to baby parts. this is how trump responded to that. >> we have reporting that he was talking about baby parts and things like that from law enforcement officials during his interview. >> i'll tell you, there's a tremendous group of people that think it's terrible all of the videos that they have seen with some of these people from planned parenthood talking about it like you're selling parts to a car. >> so again, that's what you're hearing from most of the republicans who have spoken out on this. they're denouncing the tragedy of the shooting but they don't want this linked in any way to their opposition to public funding for planned parenthood. now, in terms of the politics of this, we can show you public opinion right now, when you talk about planned parenthood, do you have a favorable or unfavorable view? this is a month ago. nearly 60% of all americans have a favorable view of it. you break it down and see a big party gap on this. 82% of democrats with a
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favorable view. just 35% of republicans and so, kate, that's the politics of it here. an issue, trump, cruz, trying to win a republican primary, thinking of 35%, that small number that has a positive opinion of planned parenthood. but when you get to the general election, you have to remember, 6 in 10 americans do have a favorable view of this group. >> can i ask you on a completely different note? hillary clinton little bit of news this afternoon, 15 or so minutes from now might get a new release of new e-mails? >> looks like the state department releasing them in waves and the next wave that the state department gone through will come out around 4:00 and about 8,000 pages here generally from the years 2011, 2012. the state department is saying this puts them at about two thirds of all of the clinton's e-mails out there. >> steve, thanks so much. we mentioned earlier in the hour, donald trump was meeting with black pastors. we 'll go to one of those
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>> as we mentioned before the break, donald trump just wrapped up a meeting here in new york with african american pastors at trump plaza. i want to bring in mark burns, one of the pastors who met with donald trump this afternoon. standing alongside his wife tamara. thanks for being with us. >> thank you so much. >> happy to be here. >> pastor wurnds, tell me bmt meeting. what did you think today? >> well, again, he simply echoed what he stated in the past, that he is a unifier and not a divider. this meeting was extremely successful. there was extremely strong support. he received many, many endorsements from the pastors that were there.
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it was a jam-packed room, standing support for mr. trump. very good dialogue that we had back and forth and donald trump made it very clear that he's willing to do whatever it takes to win the black vote, to challenge at the unemployment rate that plagues our communities and really brings jobs to the inner cities. >> i know there were pastors in the room who did not want to be part of a post-game, if you will, news conference, because they weren't going to endorse donald trump. but you're saying, you know of several in the room who did and are supporting trump, and are you run of them? >> absolutely. there were several endorsements. there were signed endorsement cards that were handed out. and there were many of them. i didn't get an accurate count because people were handing them over. mr. trump was extremely thankful
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for the endorsement cars signed by these pastors from all across the country. i think we live in a society where hatred and division is what get ratings. people want to see confrontation. and when people start trying to bridge the gap and bring people together, often times they can be portrayed as a rebel, but in mr. trump's case, he speaks what he means. >> and i was just going to say that the people who may not have come out and said they will not endorse him right now, it's only because this is their first meeting. this is the first time they've heard from his heart. they're going to go home and pray. there's nobody in there who said, i will not endorse trump. >> you have to understand, this was our third meeting, but for some, it was only their first. >> and thomas roberts had a
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pastor on with him maybe two hours ago, who said he's absolutely not endorsing donald trump and was attending that meeting with you, and said, i feel, this was his words. he said i don't think he speaks to the african american community. i think he's said things that are disparaging about latinos and minorities. he was pointing to a number of things where he sees conflict with donald trump? >> no. and he certainly didn't say that in the meeting. >> i don't know who you're speaking about, but trust me, when i tell you, i'm not uncle tom, no coon, nobody's been paid. i have not been offered a position. this is me looking at the politics, and looking at an individual, a strong leader that i believe that's going to bridge and bring a strength back to america. and in that room, there were pastors from all across the country, that were showing their support, many of them signed
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actual documents, endorsement cards, showing their support. so obviously, you know, i can't speak to this individual saying about hispanics. there were some latinos that were even in the room, from dr. mike murdoch's camp from ft. worth, texas, brought latinos from brazil latinos from other latin countries were with him from texas in the meeting. and this preposterous tone of offensive things that he said about latinos in the meeting, it's a fabrication. >> what kinds of things came up in the room? was there a lot of back and forth on issues? >> well, you know, it was really important for me, again, as a african american pastor, to really talk to mr. trump about some of his phones in reference to what could be labelled offensive and could be labelled
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racist, in some of his tones and actions. >> because that's totally not his heart. >> that's not his heart. his -- >> what did you ask him about that? >> we most definitely talked about them. the twitter incident, the black lives matter protester that was roughed up and he made it clear to all of us that he had no ideal, first of all, that it was even a black lives matter. it was in a room of 10,000 people in an arena. he had no idea that it was a black lives matter protester. >> or that it was a black person, period. >> so when he made the comment, it was before he learned it was a black lives matter protester. obviously, he doesn't want to be an instigator of racial division. that's why we're meeting here for the second time. and this is continued dialogue. he made this very clear, whether it's a month from now, six
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months from now. we're going to continue to have this kind of a dialogue. this is the beginning. rome was not built in a single day. we're not going to solve all the problems that has a gap gap between mr. trump and the african american community. but trust me when i tell you, he's made it very clear -- >> that he cares. >> -- that he cares and he will be a president of all people. black lives matter. white lives matter. to him, all lives matter. and i believe that's what he's standing for. >> pastor burns with your wife there in front of trump tower, thanks so much for your perspective, appreciate your insight. >> not a problem, thank you for having us. we'll take a quick break. when we come back, we'll go back to colorado where they just held a hearing for the suspect in the planned parenthood shooting.
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coverage out of colorado springs where robert lewis dear jr made an appearance following friday's shootings at a planned parenthood clinic. he's accused of killing three people. let's go right to nbc's blake mccoy who is at the jail where dear is being held with the very latest there. he appeared via video conference, right? >> that's right, kate. he's in the jail behind me. the courthouse is 15 miles away. all of this is going to be a video conference as some of the victims family members looked over at the courthouse. a lot of people were watching to see what he looked like, if he said anything. he only uttered the words "yes" twice. the questions were from the judge, can you hear me? he said "yes." and do you understand the charges against you, to which he said "yes."
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the charge right now, is first-degree murder, but keep in mind, the district attorney has ten days to formally file charges. so a hearing has been set for next wednesday. this is just to advise him on a charge that he is being held on until the formal charges are being held next week by the district attorney. one interesting note to come out of this, he was being represented by a public defender and that is daniel king, the same attorney who represented james holmes in the aurora theater shooting. so daniel king in the courtroom today and there were no objections to him representing robert dear. kate? >> thanks so much for the latest from colorado. for more on planned parenthood's history in colorado, i want to bring back in erin carmen, who's done a lot of work on this subject. we were talking last hour about the history in colorado. there's a long history with planned parenthood there. and this colorado springs planned parenthood.
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>> well, since the summer, planned parenthood has been under attack in a less literal way by anti-abortion eaactivist who secretly recorded employees of planned parenthood. planned parenthood says the videos have been deceptively edited. any allegations that they have sold baby parts are false, they have denied wrongdoing. but they pointed to the fact that according to our own colleagues at nbc news, robert lewis dear used the phrase, no more baby parts. so they're making a connection between the rhetoric and the particular attacks in colorado because it involved a provider there and the attacks on friday at their planned parenthood clinic in colorado springs. >> and you were telling me about an appeal to the attorney general, which precedes the shooting on friday. tell me about that. >> well, it was shocking. hours before this report, a
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coalition of groups that support abortion rights, sent a letter to loretta lynch and said that since the release of these videos over the summer, which targeted clinics all over the country, including colorado. they have argued that there's been a rise in attacks on these clinics and they urged loretta lynch to investigate these under federal law. >> that was just a few hours before the shooting. >> just a few hours. but the thought was, all of this rhetoric, even though we don't have any evidence -- authorities have not assigned an official motive. we don't have any evidence that the shooter was involved in anti-abortion politics, but we do know the clinics had been on unusually high alert because of these videos, which planned parenthood says are discredited and deceptively edited. >> i had heard that this planned parenthood in colorado springs had actually moved locations to
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try to be in a place where they wouldn't be as easily picketed. >> they choose to be in strip malls, surrounding themselves with private property. in colorado, the supreme court upheld a bubble zone, an eight-foot barrier around patients going into clinics because of anti-abortion harassment outside. the supreme court has limited the kinds of protests outside of clinics, but they said in colorado it was justified to have an eight-foot buffer zone for people coming in and out of the clinics for their safety. so a lot of clinics have chosen to be on property that is surrounded by private parking lots. so there's not this issue of the public sidewalk where everyone is entitled to protest. >> thanks so much. abortion providers have long been targets of violent attacks. since 1977, there have been eight murders, 17 attempted murders, and 42 bombings. joining me now, president and ceo of the national abortion
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federation, vicki supporta is with us. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> we just saw the man in custody, in court, at a hearing in colorado springs. as you see those pictures and that video coming in, you think what? >> i think that this is a horribly tragic situation. we have been very concerned about the unprecedented increase in hate speech, in threats, in calls for violence against abortion providers since he highly edited, misleading videos were released in july. we've met with the department of justice and we have been providing them before and after that meeting in early august with the threats that we've been uncovering, so that they could effectively investigate the perpetrators. >> there's been pushback, as i'm sure you know, politically, from republican candidates in particular, saying we don't know whether this man officially was an anti-abortion activist.
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have you heard anything, given your position that leads you to believe, any proof of his association with anti-abortion activists? >> he wasn't officially on our radar screen, but i think what he said when he was arrested was clear that he was motivated by those misleading videotapes. and you cannot disingenuously be surprised about the consequences of fiery rhetoric after the fact. anti-choice extremists have ignited a fire storm of hate. and we know that there are consequences when people use this kind of rhetoric and call for violence against abortion providers. and the threats have been unprecedented and very, very concerning leading to this latest terrible attack. >> i was going to ask about the victims of the attack. have you heard anything more
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about the three who died, about the others who were injured there? >> no. not anything more than what has been reported on television. >> and for those who might be wanting to go to a planned parenthood clinic today, who might need services this week, what do you say to them? >> i say that abortion facilities are some of the most secure and well protected facilities in this country. unfortunately, they've had to undertake extraordinary security precautions to keep their patients and their staff safe. and despite the heightened security alert that every abortion clinic is under this week, they are all open to care for women. women should feel confident in going to get the abortion care that they need. >> thank you for being with us, vicki. >> right after the break, what
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christie is announcing today that he has the backing of a coalition of law enforcement officials up in new hampshire. chris christie in the granite state on a two-day swing that will include events across the state. the events come on the heels of a major endorsement from new hampshire's biggest newspaper, the union leader. according to the paper, christie is, quote, the one candidate who has the range and type of experience the nation desperately needs. joining me now from concord, new hampshire, nbc's hallie jackson.
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halli hallie, that's a big endorsement for chris christie. >> definitely. that's because the union leader is a significant voice in the conservative community in new hampshire. it's a big pickup for him battling with other candidates to try to give him momentum moving forward. he's picked up an endorsement from renee plumber, an activist in the state. a good surrogate for him on the campaign trail and the former speaker of the house, we have learned, will also be endorsing chris christie tomorrow. throw in a grain of salt. last election cycle, the union leader endorsed newt gingrich, and he's not currently sitting in the white house. so chris christie, seventh in the polls in new hampshire, still has a ways to go. >> another grain of salt, seventh in the polls, 4%, i think, is his current standing in the new hampshire poll. tied for seventh with carly fiorina. so how much -- he needs a big
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boost at this point to be able to soar to the top. >> that's the thing, kate. but as you know, as we've been talking about for months now, this election season is predictable only in its unpredictability. so we can't count anybody out right now. he's in the low single digits, trailing people like bush and rubio and trump, ben carson. people who are making plays in other early states. but it's tough to count him out. that said, he and his campaign has to figure out a way to capitalize on this moving forward, to take some of this potential momentum and turn it into votes and support. one way to do that in a place like new hampshire is to come out and do these sort of close contact, close voter contact events. christie said this morning that he spent 49 days in new hampshire so far, planning to spend a lot more time here before we get to the big day in february. >> you're going to be spending a lot of time in new hampshire, i
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think. >> me too. >> thanks so much. donald trump just wrapped up a meeting with african american clergy and the republican front-runner spoke with reporters afterwards. >> i thought that i met some fantastic people, some of whom i've known. i thought it was an absolutely amazing -- you know, it lasted for 2 1/2 hours. we came up with lots of good ideas and lots of future ideas, but i thought it was an amazing meeting. >> and how did you address some severe the concerns that were raised? >> i think we'll be addressing them over the coming months and even years. these are deep-seeded issues that some communities have and we're going to address them. if i'm put in a position where i can do something about them, which in this case, happens to be president, we'll be working very closely with everybody and solving a lot of problems. right now if you look at black youth, where it's 51, and 55,
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and 57% unemployed, you have african american people of different ages where it's double and triple other numbers. so we're looking at a lot of different things, but this meeting was amazing. close to a hundred people in the room. i want to thank you, both of you, and in particular, i'll tell you what, a whole group of people behind me, you can't see them. because we didn't think we'd be having a press conference. we all thought it was a good meeting and we have many endorsements that came out of the meeting. >> i don't want to discuss that. black lives are very important. white lives are very important. to me, all lives are very, very important. [ all speak at once ] >> i don't think we have backlash. i saw love in that room. i see love everywhere we go. like right now, i'm getting on a
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plane, i'm going to georgia, we're going to have a tremendous crowd in georgia, just like we did in sarasota, we had 12,000 people, an all-time record by double and we'll have a tremendous crowd. i'm literally leaving right now. in fact, because the meeting went so much longer, only because of the love. it didn't go longer for other reasons. there were unbelievable solutions, i think to problems. >> so donald trump taking a couple of questions from reporters there. we should note that the group was initially scheduled to hold a more formal press conference, but that press availability was canceled earlier today after some of the attendees took issue with the trump campaign claim that the clergymen were all going to endorse trump. so, mark, interesting here. they said they were going to have a big press conference. now they've had a little, what we call, scrum in the business, where they took a couple of
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questions. we spoke with pastor mark burns earlier this hour who said he was a trump advocate, but then a couple of hours, thomas roberts spoke with jamal bryant, another pastor, who said absolutely not going to endorse him. what do you make of this meeting? >> well, kate, some of the context here happens to be allegations and accusations of racially tinged rhetoric on the campaign trail, coming from donald trump. and some of these accusations go all the way back to 2011, when donald trump was going after president obama and his birth certificate. and donald trump held this meeting to be able to clear the air, and as he said, today's meeting was productive. there was a lot of love in the air, as he put it in that clip we just heard from there. but another big context, kate, is the fact that the african american community is solidly in the democratic column. president obama got more than 90% of the african american vote in the 2012 presidential contest. you would probably assume that the democratic candidate in 2016
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would get a similar, maybe not as big, but a similar share. and some of the african american clergy who got grouped into this endorsement possibility probably backed away given that they didn't want to be seen by their clergy and their congregations as people who were endorsing donald trump. >> and we haven't gotten a sense for how big the crowd of twas, many pastors were there, or how many are endorsing donald trump. i want to make note of this. it comes on the same day that the republican front-runner got into a heated back and forth with our colleague, with chuck todd on "meet the press" yesterday over his claim that he saw muslims celebrating after 9/11. i want to play that clip. >> yesterday i was in sarasota, florida, and people were saying they lived in jersey -- >> people were saying -- people were saying -- [ all speak at once ] mr. trump, if i said, people have said mr. trump's not worth
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$10 billion and people were saying, you would say, that was crazy. you wouldn't make a business deal based on re-tweets and based on hearsay. >> it's much different. this is people -- >> you're running for president of the united states. your words matter. >> this is people -- chuck, chuck, chuck. make it easy, just play cool. this is people in this country that love our country -- >> that's just a section of what happened on "meet the press," but what's your perspective on whether we're going do see donald trump, you know, changing and being a little more careful with his facts, or are we still going to hear the bluster that we just heard on "meet the press"? >> i think the smart money is that we'll continue to hear from the same donald trump when he launched his presidential bid in june. if you remember correctly, he was talking about mexican rapists coming across the border and a lot of other factually
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challenged statements in june. and the explosive comments about muslim americans cheering the downing of the wtorld trade center. and donald trump still doesn't have any proof to back up that claim. we've gone through old footage, nothing to back up what he said about that. in a lot of respects, it's a post truth candidacy, and that's not hurt him in the polls. the question, is that continuing two months before the iowa caucuses? >> two months to go. mark, thanks. after the break, congress has less than two weeks to avoid a government shutdown again, but this time paul ryan has the speaker's gavel. we'll head to clip up next. but a few might shape the future. like turning algae into biofuel... ...new technology for capturing co2 emissions... ...and cars twice as efficient
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the current stop-gap funding measure, set to expire december 11th. luke russert is on capitol hill. luke, call me crazy, but i thought that a few weeks ago that when john boehner left and paul ryan came in, john boehner made a big show of some kind of a deal so that we weren't going to be talking about government shutdowns. >> yeah, how about that. john boehner said that he was cleaning out the barn for his successor paul ryan and that a lot of the tough legislative work that had to be completed by the end of the year was done. john boehner set the spending levels, however, he did not pass any legislation that directed congress how to spend the money. so an example i would say, if you and your spouse are arguing about how much you want to spend on something, you agree we're going to spent $100, instead of $120. now you have to figure out how you're going to spend that $100. that's what we're seeing on capitol hill, a back and forth
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between democrats and republicans over riders. what are those? legislative vehicles that have nothing to do with the over-arching legislation but that move parties' political points. you're seeing republicans talking about a rider dealing with the syrian refugee issue. you see democrats wanting to do things that would keep the epa fully funded. we've seen fights over obamacare, the possibility of fights over dodd-frank. so both sides are ironing these out right now, but what we have to look at, will there be a rider that has the potential to cause a shutdown ahead of december 11th? the deadline then. i talked to kevin mccarthy, the house majority leader, he said the gop was not going to fight over planned parenthood funding, something that we thought was going to be a main factor. expect it to be issues about security, that means either syrian refugees or perhaps some new measures that the united states government could take in light of what happened in paris.
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>> luke, thanks so much. >> thank you. nba great kobe bryant hanging up his sneakers. last night he announced he'll retire at the end of this season. he did it with a poem entitled "dear basketball." the 37-year-old was drafted out of high school back in 1996, helped the bakers win five nba championships, but it wasn't a career without controversy. i'm joined by bloomberg view's sports column nifrt cal eetha davis. thank you for being with us. i had to think about to the beginning of his days and there was a little bit of controversy in the early years. >> there's always been controversy following him around, even before he was drafted from the time that he was in high school. he gave a very memorable press conference from the gym at lower marion. but his career has always been -- he's been labelled a selfish player.
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had huge feuds with shaquille o'neal, the duo that set the tone for the lakers' dynasty. and in 2003, he had a sexual assault case against him. you can't talk about his legacy without mentioning that. so there's a lot to talk about. >> does the sports legacy take over and become the main thing we'll remember? >> i think it does. you can see how his case served as a prototype for how athletes accused of something like that, can kind of get the benefit of the doubt, shall we say. but his case was a lot more complicated than some other cases we're dealing with now. on the court, he's been an incredibly prolific scorer, also really polarizing, because people say he wasn't the most efficient, and he was a ball hog and he lasted for so long. either way, we're going to miss kobe on the great court greatly. >> why now?
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>> i don't think you can be surprised by this. he signed a massive contract in 2013, coming off a torn achilles. no basketball player has come back from that the same player. he hasn't either. he's having the worst season of his career right now. if you talk to anybody in the lakers' organization, they believe he was really done after this season. >> i'm no big basketball fan, but even i've heard, it hasn't been the best year for him. so does he go out as a star? >> you know, he will always go out as a star. it's probably very fitting that he made in announcement on derek jeter's website, because he was the one who had this huge farewell tour when he announced he was retiring from the yankees. and we'll see that with kobe as well. >> thanks so much. appreciate it. coming up, world leaders kick off a climate change summit just outside paris, but protesters are clashing with riot police. how terror and france's state of emergency are impacting the
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about 150 world leaders are meeting for a massive climate change summit in paris. today president obama addressed the summit, speaking about his own experience, witnessing the effects of climate change. >> this summer i saw the effects of climate change first hand in our northernmost state, alaska. where the sea is already swallowing villages and eroding shorelines. where the tundra burns. where glaciers are melting at a pace unprecedented in modern times. >> the summit taking place under extreme tight security following the paris terror attacks. let me bring in kelly o'donnell from paris. last week spoke, they were having dinner. >> reporter: well, dessert is complete. and they're calling it a night here in paris. we're six hours ahead of eastern time. and president obama had an
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eventful day, kate. this was an opportunity for him to deal with two issues that are really defining in his presidency, he hopes, climate change and progress on that will be part of his legacy, and certainly terrorism and the ongoing threat from terrorist networks remain a real issue for him in many ways, that will go beyond his presidency and hand it off to whomever succeeds him in office. and in this meeting today, the president was able to talk to the people of france and then more broadly to all the attendees and by extension around the world, thanking paris for its resolve in holding on to this conference. when you mentioned 150 leaders, a big summit could be 8 or 20 world leaders. to say 150 gives you a sense of the scale and scope of what they're trying to do here. for the president, he's hoping this deal that could come together would be something you would get global buy-in. it's not a treaty in the sense that it would not be a kind of
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binding agreement that would need to be affirmed by the senate. and that is, some detractors say, a weakness in the u.s. position here, that the president could not bring that kind of certainty to it. his advisers counter that by saying it really is an opportunity to invite nations that might not be key players right now, to consider themselves part of this going forward. i guess that's a way you might look at this and of course until it's completed here, they want to give it the most optimistic take. and we also learned today, the white house making some news here on that terrorism front, saying that the white house wants congress to pass, before the end of their time in office, before the christmas break, some changes to the visa waiver program that affects about 20 million visitors to the u.s. per year. from 38 countries that are considered business partners with the u.s., friendly nations to the u.s., and wanting to ask for greater scrutiny if those persons coming into the u.s. have been to places that could
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be qualified as safe havens for terrorism. iraq, syria, to name two. that's something the white house wants to see congress take action on, to bring additional scrutiny to reduce the risk that someone who might be radicalized overseas could find their way with a friendly nation pass por port into the u.s. so they're a part of the climate conversation as well. >> kelly, thanks. just over two weeks since the attacks in paris. let me bring in gabe guttiierre who is also in paris with new information about the investigation. >> hi there, kate. salah abdeslam has still on the run. he has not been arrested. the belgian prosecutor has acknowledged he could be anywhere. not necessarily in brussels. he could be in syria or perhaps even germany, but police are not
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confirming that. authorities are also looking for his alleged accomplice, mohamed abrini, last seen two days before the paris attacks in a gas station captured on surveillance video. he's suspected of driving the car that was used in the paris attacks. we're learning that abdeslam bought fire work igniters. the shop owner tells nbc news that abdeslam in september had provided his i.d., so they had it on file. that clerk saw abdeslam's picture on the television and immediately reported his name to police. now, this international manhunt continues. it is the largest international manhunt in europe, in recent memory. belgian authorities say six people are in custody, charged with terrorist murders or participating in terrorism activities. and the prosecutor says that can mean that either they were
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directly involved or that they simply aided in the attacks, kate. >> gabe, with the latest from paris on the investigation. for more, let me bring in christopher dickey, world news editor for "the daily beast." nice to see you again, christopher. >> pleasure, kate. >> so we have a confluence of things happening in paris, the global summit with 150 world leaders. new information gabe just reported about the investigation into the terror attacks. you've had protesters out on the streets. i guess, give me a sense for what life is like in the city you love, in paris. >> reporter: well, i'd say it's nervous and confused, to tell you the truth. on the one hand, you have a lot of blocked traffic. and the other hand, you have a lot of empty streets. they don't want to get stuck in the mess created by all the heads of state running around. i think that people still have not recovered. i would say, haven't even begun
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to recover from the shock of the attacks a couple of weeks ago. that just hit people where it hurts. it was the kind of attack that could hit anybody anytime. and people are aware of that. >> and when the president -- president obama arrived last night, make a quick trip over to the bataclan theater, the site of so much violence. how much did that mean to the french people? >> i think it means a lot to the french people. they love obama. they love obama a lot more than the american people do. its approval ratings here, as someone who basically you can trust to handle world affairs, usually are up around the 80% level. where president hollande's approval ratings are down in the 20 to 30% level. so i think it's hugely important for people that he would go there and pay his respects and lay a rose among all the other flowers on the votive candles in the photographs and things that are in the impromptu memorial.
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>> i found myself looking at secret service agents around president obama at the scene at the bataclan. how nervous are security officials in paris tonight about having all those world leaders on hand? >> reporter: i think they'd be nervous under any circumstances. i don't think they can take much consolation from their record in the recent past, failing to discover all kinds of plots that have taken place, not only two weeks ago, but previous to that as well. i think there's a lot of nervousness by the security services. the one thing they might take consolation in, what we know about the islamic state so far, it tries to hit easy targets. they are not making the 150 world leaders easy targets. >> christopher, good to see you again. >> thank you. turning now to the fight against isis, in an interview with nbc's chuck todd on "meet the press."
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robert gates offers his opinion on president obama's strategy against isis. >> i think it does need to be sped up and intensified. i think that while isis is a long-term problem for us, we have near term issues associated with it. all you have to do is look at the downing of the russian airliner and the attacks in paris and the attacks in beirut and so on. >> gates went on to say calls for a brand-new strategy are misguided and putting thousands of u.s. troops on the ground is not a near-term solution. let me bring in nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. any reaction to gates' comments at the pentagon? >> former secretary gates is not known as somebody who shoots from the hip. so you can understand that many in the military subscribe to exactly what he was saying. that everybody realizes that the war effort there has to be accelerated. but it's how you do it.
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accelerating air strikes could be easy. the french have already proven that, after they were attacked in paris, they increased their number of air strikes on a daily basis significantly. one of the issues remains, not only the number of air strikes, but their effectiveness. and that means putting boots on the ground, to serve as forward observers that can actually not only discern a target, but also figure out the timing. when would be best to hit the kind of targets, the leadership targets that they're after. that would mean special operations forces. now, the military leadership here, in considering that, is not necessarily in any disagreement with the white house, because the president himself is considering the possibility of adding more special operations forces on the ground. he's already approved 50 in syria, and it's not clear that they're there yet to work with the kurdish forces there. but that's one key element.
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but air strikes alone can't do it. it has to be troops, indigenous troops, iraqi troops, kurdish troops, and those free syrian -- those moderate militants there in syria, fighting on the ground that will eventually win this war. and the bottom line here is, it still is going to take a long time, kate. >> jim, thank you. in the last hour, the man accused of killing three people inside a colorado planned parenthood made his first court appearance. up next, former texas state senator wendy davis joins us to talk about the reproductive rights issues coming into focus following that shooting.
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political rhetoric, that we've been hearing from most candidates on the republican presidential primary side, and i think it is fueling this kind of behavior that we saw in this individual last week. >> as a counterpart, i want to play something one of the republican candidates said over the weekend. ted cruz weighing in on friday's shooting and suggesting that it's your side of the equation, that it's people who are pro-abortion rights who are causing problems. take a listen. >> i think there has been some vicious rhetoric on the left, blaming those are pro-life. we don't fully know the motivations of this deranged individual. the media promptly wants to blame him on the pro-life movement, when at this point there's very little evidence to indicate that. >> how do we bring these two sides closer together, if everyone is so severely divided? >> i think that both sides of
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the aisle, all political candidates, and all office holders, have a responsibility to understand and be very careful with the language that they use. we see this often in political contests where people will dog whistle to voters and use terms, highly charged terms, that they know will appeal to people's fears and sadly, people's intolerances and sometimes their h hatred. we see it in republican candidates right now, who are using very highly charged language about abortion. we see it in the conversation about immigration in this country. and the understanding on the part of those candidates is that they are appealing to a particular type of voter, who is going to respond to that rhetoric and hopefully come their way when it comes time to vote. but the consequence of using language like that, can be very dangerous, and i think
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candidates need to step back, take a deep breath, and understand, as i said before, we have a responsibility to use thoughtful and careful language. it is fine to disagree on this issue. of course, abortion is a constitutionally protected right in this country, but i respect people who have a differing opinion on it. we have to be careful about the language that's used when we discuss it. >> do you think we're in a different moment right now, as a former state senator? do you look at the political climate on both sides, republicans and democrat, as we go into an election year, and think that maybe we've coarsened or we're hearing rhetoric that is even more severe than in the past? >> i think we're hearing the most severe language that we've ever heard when it comes to abortion rights in this country. but it certainly isn't new to hear that dog whistling that happens in political contests,
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where people's base fears and their negative perspectives about things are appealed to in order to try to attract a vote from a person who's listening to that. again, i think it's fine to express your positions on issues and to appeal to voters who agree with those positions, but to use language that incites anger and that incites violence in people is very, very dangerous and candidates need to take a step back and beginning what they're doing and be much more thoughtful about the words that they choose to use. >> former texas state senator wendy davis, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. now here's hampton pearson with the cnbc market wrap. hampton? >> hello, kate. we had markets closing lower today. the dow sinking by 78 points. the s&p down by 9. the nasdaq off by 18 points as well. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide. ♪
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well, it's already a record-breaking holiday shopping season for retail websites, and with more deals being rolled out for today, for cyber monday, industry experts expect another $3 billion in sales. msnbc business correspondent olivia sterns joins us from an amazon fulfillment center in robinsville, new jersey. i know you're in there somewhere, olivia. how big is cyber monday so far? >> i'm down here in the green. i'm waving. this is amazon's biggest day of the year. the center i'm in is the size of 28 football fields. this facility alone is going to
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ship one million packages out of its door. this area is called inbound, the workers are unpacking boxes from other fulfillment centers that they put all these goods on the shelves here, so they can ship out to customers in the new jersey area even faster. truly an extraordinary range of things come down the conveyor belt, everything from playstations to socks. this is a playstation game, a lot of books and everything you can imagine. amazon has been offering these lightning deals since the beginning of november. so a lot of people were saying maybe that's going to suck some of the wind, some of the momentum out of cyber monday. earlier, i spoke with the head of global operations for amazon, dave clark, and asked him how big of a deal cyber monday still is. have a listen. >> last year, customers ordered over 500 items a second. and we're going to be bigger than that this second. >> what's changed? what are you noticing people are buying and how are they ordering
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it differently? >> this year it's more, more, more, with more selection, over three million unique items. 25 million units of total inventory. we have deals every five minutes and same-day delivery in 16 cities around the u.s. and one-hour delivery in over 20 cities. >> and kate, another big difference this year is the surge in mobile traffic. for the first time ever, the majority of sales are coming from tablets and smartphones, not from desktop computers. and in total, as you say, adobe is predicting $3 billion would be spent by americans on this cyber monday, a 12% increase over last year. the average discount americans are going to get is 20%. kate? >> so i'm going to promise you, that i've not been sitting here, olivia, surfing on my phone and ordering. do i need to buy things tonight when i get home, or are there some items that we might get a better deal if we wait? >> well, this year, as you've
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noticed, it's been warm. 60 degrees this past weekend. if you're looking for a discount on a coat, the more likely you are to get it. given the warmer weather, pea apparel in particular could be marked down. if you're in the market for toys, the "star wars," legos, the barbies, those are the toys to buy now. the trouble is, according to one survey, it's going to be harder to find a bargain. the average price of what are expected to be the top 20 toys this year, the average sticker price, 65 bucks. kids these days want things like drones and those are expensive. >> yeah. tell me about it. i'm pulling out my phone, olivia. i've got two kids, i'm on it. thanks so much. tomorrow, we should mention, msnbc is celebrating giving tuesday. it's a global day, dedicated not to shopping, but to giving back. last year, your donations helped
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raise $45 million for non-profits around the world. so what will you give? tell us using #giving tuesday. and post a selfie of what you hope to give. we'll be talking a lot about that tomorrow. that does it for this hour. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" begins right now. ♪ >> if it's monday, hillary clinton is about to get endorsed by every democratic woman in the u.s. senate except for one. is the clinton campaign trying to tell elizabeth warren it's time to get on board? this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. and good evening from new york, i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd. hope you had a great thanksgiving weekend. california senator barbara boxer

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