tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC December 1, 2015 10:00pm-11:01pm PST
>> good evening. thank you very much. what does this mean to you when you hear it, a specialized expeditionary targeting force? does that sound like troops on the ground b? because if it is, that's what we serenading into iraq and syria. >> we're at war. >> ramping up the fight against isis. >> american special operation forces will be deployed in iraq and syria. >> over time will be able to conduct raids, free hostages, gather intelligence and capture isil leaders. >> it's a reaction to paris. there is no strategy. >> thousands of combat troops, like some on the republican side are recommending, i think that should be a nonsart starter. >> exactly two months from today are the iowa caucuses. >> it's been an entertaining primary so far. >> to be honest, i just watch it for the music. >> bing, bing, bong, bong, bing, bing, bing. >> the establishment republican candidates need to pick up the
pace if they hope to overtake the outsiders. >> they're having many heart attacks day nen and day out trying to figure out how the hell do we stop it. >> there's only one way to the top and it's through trump, let's face it. >> i think trump is confusing cheering with screaming. i also think he's confusing bull [ bleep ] with the truth. >> america's latest war policy seems to turn on the definition of ground troops. >> the truth is that ground troops, u.s. troops french troops could move isil out of raqqah, but unless we're prepared to criminally occupy a country like syria, the only way to bring about a true and lasting end to the civil war
there, to end the refugee flows and to defeat isil involves a political transition. >> that was the president today in paris in an interview with laura haim. it doesn't sound like the president is willing to commit ground troops to fight the islamic state. but in a congressional hearing this morning, president obama's secretary of defense said this -- >> in full coordination with the government of iraq, with we're deploying a specialized expeditionary targeting force to assist iraqi and kurdish pashmerga forces to put even more pressure on isil. these special operators will over time be able to conduct raids, free hostages, gather intelligence, and capture isil leaders. this force will also be in a position to conduct unilateral operations in syria. >> defense officials tell nbc news that the specialized expeditionary targeting force that secretary carter was
referring to would be between 100 and 200 special forces troops. they are soldier, they will be wearing boots and they will be on the ground. does that make them the proverbial boots on the ground? joining us now a democrat sfr massachusetts, he served four tours in iraq as a marine and as a member of the house armed services committee. when you heard that testimony this morning, what was your reaction to it? >> first of all, there's no question these are combat troops. i was a military adviser myself in iraq in 2004. and when the iraqi army unit we were mentoring came under attack and started to get overrun, my platoon went to their assistance and it started the biggest bat toll that time. there's no question this is a combat mission. my concern is we don't have a bigger strategic political plan to ensure the long-term success of whatever military action we take on the ground.
>> when you listen to what the secretary says these soldiers will be doing, conducting raids, frees hostages, capturing islamic state leader, that description means there will be casualties? >> absolutely. this is a risky mission. they will be very much in harm's way, and we've got to be prepared for that. we also have to make sure that they are setup for success and they have a strategic goal that is achievable. and that's where i'm more concerned at this point. >> what about mission creep here? this is the way we went into vietnam, with visitors, with small numbers of tactical advisers, and then we were h hundreds of thousands of troops in. >> that's right. and there's no question that the same president who promised to pull us out of iraq has had to send troops back in just five years later. we started with 300 and now we're up to 3,500 and adding
more to that. so there's no question that there's the risk of mission creep. i think we're already seeing it. >> so what at this point would you recommend to the president? >> i think the president needs to have a very clear political plan that underlying the military plan. if you think about what happened when isis had this dramatic expansion from syria into western and northern iraq, they didn't just defeat the iraqi army. the iraqi army put its weapon downs and went home because it lost fooit faith in the iraqi goth. that means it's fundamentally a political probable in iraq that's allowed isis to spread so dramatically. you don't fix iraqi politic just by training troops. and the same can be said about syria as well. the only way to have long-term success against these extremists is to have a plan to fill the political vacuum that they are occupying right now in the middle east. the same type of political vacuum that led to terrorist training camps in afghan prior to 9/11.
we've got to have that fundamental political plan in place. and then the military plan should fall on top of that. what i'm concerned about is that we have some detailed military plans to defeat isis, but if we don't have a long-term political plan, then we can find ourselves back there for a third time five years from now. >> joining the discussion now is lieutenant colonel anthony sheaffer, a senior fellow at the london center for policy research and former army intelligence officer. also joining us, the kurt anderson, host of award-winning public radio program. we're going to go with the civilian voice here, with no combat experience. the echos here of mission creep that we experienced in vietnam are very strong. >> sure. and we can say we only had 350 or several hundred most of whom were special ops people at the time. it strikes me that certainly with with this president and the recent experience of iraq, the weariness of mission creep will
be present. the congressman's point about the lack of a larger strategy of which these 150 new special operators will be the tip of the spear is well taken. >> that frankly, as a civilian does not worry me that suddenly, oh, a year from now we're going to have 5,000 more. i don't see that. now, my question is, if if this is provoked by the paris attacks, which it probably was in some sense, this this does nothing about that. indeed i would like to hear the military experts speak to the issue of whether pushing isil back in syria and iraq might actually cause him to do these cheaper higher cost benefit operations like they did in paris.
>> colonel sheaffer, take that question. >> they're going to do it no matter what. if they push them back or not, they're already expeditionary. that's something secretary carter said today. we have to take this from a multiregional perspective. this is going to attempt to work what they're calling strategic effects. we don't have a long-term political plan that these need to be tied into. and with all due respect to the congress, congress has not done its job to debate and come to terms with what authorization a president has to conduct these operations. and more importantly, what that plan is going to be. i know from experience, this task force is going to be focused just like the task force i focused on. it's the same basic objectives. it can be very effective. with that said, if with estart winning, we have to figure out how to seal the deal once we
win. this is where we have to work with the russian, we have to work with our kurdish partners. we have to work with the iraqis who wish to work with us. those things are political, and that's something that's beyond the pentagon's mission to do by itself. >> president obama will -- his presidency will not cover the period of this military exercise. let's listen to what one of the candidates had to say about this today, hillary clinton. >> i agree with the president, we're not putting combat troops back into syria or iraq. >> under no circumstances would you not do that? >> i cannot conceive of any circumstances where i would do that. we need trainers and surveillance and enablers might be needed. but in terms of thousands of combat troops like some on the republican side are recommending, i think that should be a nonstarter. >> many republicans are
recommending a big commitment there, or bigger, certainly. and yet this republican-controlled congress refuses to vote to even authorize military actions there. what is going on in congress on this refusal to have a vote. >> we're abdicating our responsibility. and we're punting on that responsibility. it's a far try from taking out the terrorist camps that caused the attacks on september 11. we do have a responsibility there. to tony's point, i will say the political side of this, the importance of having a political strategy, that is partly the responsibility of the administration. the administration has a military strategy.
i think they're only doing half of that. but there's no question. as a member of congress, i think we should beic thatting up this debate and we should have a vote on authorizes the use of military force in syria and iraq. >> the question of what we do there includes, how long can we hold on to whatever we gain there with this kind of military interjengs? and so is there a politician who will stand up there and say i'm willing to commit to minimum of ten year, holding this territory militarily that we gain in this exercise. >> we as a nation are willing to occupy countries for the lengths of time that when the british had an empire, they're willing to do. we simply are aren't. i hope for success here. i was surprised the description of the mission was not neutral, but rather we're going to capture isis leaders.
rescue hostages. it begged the question. there was already spectacular success implicit in the mere statement of the brief, which frankly worried me a little bit. >> what was your reaction to that, to the specific things that ash carter said this mission was about? >> it was clear one of the things we lacked was the ability to take advantage of strategic objectives and opportunities. we have actually gone in and done a number of things which have not been reported publicly. one which was was the killing of abdul sayef. simply put, we can defeat isis. it could be done much more quickly than president obama has stipulated, especially with the russians now in syria. they're motivating our side to do a lot more. wre can defeat isis, it's a doable thing. share ash carter's confidence in this.
but what do we do once we defeat isis. the instability in this region is what has drawn isis to it. and ungoverned space like we've seen in libya is the magnet for terrorists. we've got to find a way to bring our allies in. it can't be us, it has to be the arab, kurdish and other allies bringing in to settle that peace. >> congressman, you get the last word on this. >> i think that's an important point. we don't have to have a massive american presence on the ground to defeat isis. it really should be a local force, including a lot of sunnis. that's a very important component and we've got to figure out how to achieve that goal. the way chairman dunford put it, we've got to stay involved in iraqi politics. we've got to be be zbrated into iraqi politics. my last question to him was if we had stayed integrated, would we be in the mess that we find ourselves in now. and he said no, we would not.
>> that creates the follow-up question, were we welcome to stay involved in iraqi politics and to what extent were we welcomed to stay involved in iraqi politics? >> frankly we weren't. but the other alternative is now we have to send troops back. we have to have much more aggressive policy. if we don't, we're putting americans in harm's way once again. i went back to iraqi in february for the first time since i took part in the surge. and it was disheartening to say the least, to see so much of what we fought for and frankly achieved during the surge just completely squandered because we weren't able to hold the peace, keep the peace. >> a new study shows arrests and investigations of people showing the islamic state is
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there has been an un-presidentade mobilization of the islamic state supporters in the united states in the last year. according to a new report. that report says 56 people have been arrested in the united states for isis-related activity this year. that's the largest number of terrorism related arrests in a single year in the united states since the 9/11 attacks.
according to that report, there are currently 900 active investigations about the islamic state sympathizers in all 50 states. arrests have been made in 21 states so far this year. joining us now, the co-author of the report and the deputy director on the program of extremism. also with us, intelligence officer, combat veteran and author of "defeats isis -- who they are, how they fight what they believe." malcolm nance, what is it about this report that is different from everything you've seen in studying isis up to now? >> well, i have to commend george washington university. i believe it's a brilliant report. and what's most significant for the american public to understand is now we've taken this deep look at how the isis supporters, what we call their fan boys, their base of operators in the united states
communicate with each other and how they support and radicalize themselves from within the virtual world that they live in. >> seamus hughes, what should we take from this report. there's one way of looking at it gee, we know an awful lot about what isis is trying to do here. and you were able to obtain an awful lot of information that seems to show that we've got them tracked. we kind of see what they're up to. >> yeah, so we looked at about 7,000 pages of legal documents to get a sense of what isis looks like. and it defies easy analysis. the average age is 26. but a number of cases are 21 years or younger. there's 900 active investigations in all 50 states .we found arrests in each 21. they're triaging. this is an unprecedented number of cases for them this year. >> what about motivation, seamus?
were you able to find what the motivation is to get involved with isis here? >> humans are complex. they decided to do things for various reasons. we talked to family members of individuals who had joined groups in isis from america and get a sense of how do they do this and why did they decide to mick this leap. they wanted a sense of belong ing, they saw the propaganda and wanted to be a part of it themselves. >> how good a grip does american law enforcement have on this in the united states? >> well, i think it's tenuous at best. not just a week ago, i spoke to over 200 federal and state intelligence officers who were tasked specifically on this mission. and they were desperate for information. we have a lot of intelligence which comes from national level
intelligence agencies, which does get fed down through the fbi aechb out into the joint terrorism task force. but, you know, there's a great body of knowledge out there that's missing with regards to how does a street officer or how does a local county sheriff have to approach somebody who may have been radicalized. i think this report will give them ensights into that. but there's a great deal of work which needs to be done. >> seamus hughes, this is kind of youthful wanderings. and a some percentage will be a phase, it will turn out to be harmless. any sense of how much of it is just that. only a small percentage leads to violent acts or crosses that legal threshold. what do law enforcement do to
figure out who's the real threat and who's not. you're right when you say youthful discretions. we had a team of researchers looking at 300 accounts of americans we saw on twitter over a six-month period and we saw a real time grooming of people. we saw a convert who wanted to learn more about her faith and isis spotters slowly brought her into the process. you have these people looking for a sense of belonging and they're finding an echo chamber online. >> is there in ig about their environment, seamus that common denominators that you can link and family relationships or just as you say, there's really quite a range of possibility in who gets recruited. >> i think that's right. there's a diversity of who gets recruited. in terms of the profile, that i ear old, they're young, they're rich, they're poor, they're high school educated, they're college educated.
there's also diversity in the actual support of isis. keyboard warriors who push propaganda on twitter. it runs the gamut. there's a diversity of both the profile and their role in the organization. >> seamus hughes and malcolm nance, thank you both for joining us tonight. coming up, donald trump gets himself the headline that he doesn't want in today's "boston globe."
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donald trump continued his campaign of lies about what happened here on september 11. >> do you notice what's happening in new jersey? a lot of people are saying yeah, that did take place in new jersey. i wasn't going to apologize. i wasn't going to apologize. a lot of things happened today where they were dancing and they were happy. there were a lot of happy people over in new jersey. and i saw it and a lot of people saw it. >> and that's what donald trump looks like when he's lying. he, of course, did not see what he just described and no one is coming forward to support his lie. >> do you notice what happened in new jersey? they're now finding a lot of people that said yeah, that did take place in new jersey. >> no, no, they're not finding anyone who says that that happened in new jersey. and if donald trump finds anyone
who says that happened in new jersey, he he's welcome on this show to tell us exactly what that person pretends to have seen. donald trump knows the news media will not chase his lies for very long. he lied about president obama's birth certificate for so long, he lied about sending detectives to hawaii to investigate the president's birth. he lied about that for so long the press has permanently forgotten to ask him what his detectives found in hawaii, those mythical detectives that, of course, he never sent to hawaii. the news media proved to donald trump years ago that it has no capacity to deal with his lies, his speed of lies, his frequency of lies. they've proved to him that he can get away with any lie he wants to get away with because he knows that most people in the news media are afraid to call a lie a lie.
mike cohen is not one of them. his column is called donl trump is a liar. i take it you got to the point where you just couldn't take it anymore. >> this is ridiculous. he's lying, consistently lying. not just about 9/11 but a number of things. and it's time to call it what it is. he's clearly a liar. >> no one in the american media has followed donald trump longer than you have. at "time" magazine they're not allowed to call anyone a liar. this is an incredible challenge for the mainstream media. they just can't find the words to deal with this. the objective media, and as you say, as we were saying here, he is so prolific in his lies --
and by the way, always has been. i talked to his bondholders in atlantic city. he's always been this way. it also reminds me, he's part of a larger process in which your former boss ska says every man is entitled to his own opinions but not his own facts. moynihan was saying that just before that was no longer true. and donald trump is the ultimate in that. no, i'm entitled to my own facts. >> i think if any senator stood up there and said it now, most of them wouldn't understand what he just said. >> trump's found the perfect political party. this has become the new creed doe to consistently skrech the truth and go straight to lying. we talk about trump, but cary fiorina has probably told the most pernicious lie this entire
election cycle, the planned parnd hood videos. even after we was proven it's not in the videos, she still keeps saying it. she's still saying it now. >> if you want to talk about parties and lying that one party is way ahead of the other party on lying. let's listen to john kasich's new ad about donald trump. let's see to -- this. >> oerk i don't know what i said, i don't remember. >> he appeared to mock a reporter with a disability. >> i don't remember, oh,
maybe that's what i said. >> that reporter he is talking about now works for "the new york times." as you can see right there, he suffers from a chronic condition that impairs movement of his arm. >> trump says he wasn't mocking the reporter because he didn't know what the reporter looked like. but in truth, they have known each other personally for years.
>> he goes i don't remember. oh, maybe that's what i said. >> do you expect that to work? >> well, one would expect -- remember months ago when we made his first career candidacy-killing gaffe when he spoke
about john mccain. no, i don't. he is -- people say he's teflon. he's not exactly teflon. it's as though he's living in a alternate universe where the normal physics of politics don't apply to him. and he's got frankly, he's got a good opponent in the democrats, which is to say hillary clinton, who isn't the liar that donald trump. however, part of her baggage is, oh, the clintons, they shave everything so close. what is the meaning of "it." not that she said that.
but she is the part of this, oh, the clintons are kind of seedy. that's a good candidate for him to be against because his base and republican party can say it's hillary clinton, she's a liar. >> by the way, when you talk to his supporter, the trump supporters, they all say basically what kurt just said. basically, all politicians are liars. therefore, don't care what lie our politician, donald trump, told yesterday. >> exactly. or they'll say hillary clinton lies more and she's a bigger liar. it all cancels each other out. hillary to some extent, she's a lawyer. there's a part of her that tries to shade the truth and to be as honest as she possibly can be without saying something is going to be disparaging to her. >> but all politicians have done that at certain point. they've all talked that way. >> they're all weasly. they don't lie with such gusto. >> we all sort of tell lies and
exaggerate our own personal stories. politicians are no different. trump just does it with more gusto. >> but the republican strategist officials, donors are worried according to the new york times, they feel the trump nomination would lead to an electoral wipeout, a sweeping defeat that could undo some of the gains republicans have made in recent congressional, state and local elections. and there, if true, kurt, is that moment where once again, hillary clinton is the luckiest politician in america. the clintons have a way of being so lucky in who their opponents are. >> well, he's not her opponent yet, but we are at the point where we can't just -- the republicans can't just wish that away and we can't assume that away. do a thought experiment. you say, you have a leading republican candidate who's ahead of his second place competitor by eight, 10, 12, 14% in the first two state naenlsly.
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>> and rubio gets hammereds every day on conservative radio about his immigration bill, which he abandoned. i mean, he did everything he could possibly do to please those people. but they aren't pleased. >> yeah, and i think that in a sense is because of his liability. cruz has much more credentialn't among conservatives than rubio does. he has that anti-establishment persona that rubio can't possibly match. if you look at this campaign, half the electorate is going for carson and trump. it's an anti-establishment vote. tonight, cruz has been smart. he's straddled being a washington insierd but also somebody every washington insider hates. i think that gives him a real advantage going forward. >> and rubio is going to have to get a win somewhere. cruz is surging in the latest iowa poll. he might be able to take iowa. you could see him taking iowa. rubio in the new hampshire polls and every other poll, including florida, rubio isn't there. >> you have iowa, which rubio almost certainly won't win.
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the death of laquan mcdonald is the latest strategy in a city that highlights the use of unlawful and excessive force by chicago police officers and the lack of accountability for such abuse. chicago cannot move ahead and rebuild trust between police and the community to improve policing practice ps . that request comes the same day that the chicago police superintendent gary mccarthy was fired. >> we began a discussion on sunday about the direction of the department and the indeniable fact that the public trust and the leadership of the department has been shaken and eroded. this morning, i formally asked for his resignation. now is the time for fresh eyes and new leadership to confront the challenges the department and our community and our city are facing as we go forward. i've asked the first deputy to serve as acting commissioner
until the police force conducts a thorough search. >> that press conference today, chicago mayor rahm emanuel also announced a new task force on police accountability. according to the may's office, they will recommend reforms, all of today's developments come exactly one week after dash cam vid was are leased of the deadly shooting of laquan mcdonald by police officer jason van dyke. officer van dyke is charged with first degree murder. he was released on bond last night. joining us now is leslie hairston, an alderman for the fifth ward of chicago and a former assistant attorney general for illinois. what do you make of the attorney general's request tonight for the u.s. justice department to have investigate this police department. >> i agree with the attorney general. as a matter of fact, last week, we had also asked for the same
thing irk members of the black caucus and myself. and i have been working with others to hopefully get a pe decision together to petition the department of justice to investigate. >> when you and all the rest of the alderman unanimously voted to compensate the family of $5 million before they even filed a civil lawsuit in this case, had you all seen that dash cam video? >> no. we had not had an opportunity to see the video. and the corporation council is generally the practice. they appear before the committee on finance and revow the facts of the case and make a recommendation. in this particular instance, the family and the corporation council had already reached an agreement. and that was the recommendation that was made to the city council. >> so what facts were presented to the city council? were the city counselors told the victim of this shooting was
walking away from police? because at that time the public information from chicago from the police department and the police union was that he was moving toward the police officers and threatening the police officers. >> that was not what was stated at that meeting. i got a copy of the transcript just to make sure, and there was language to the effect that laquan lunged at the police officer. which we now see from the video that has been released that that was not the case. >> so even in presentation to reach a $5 million settlement with the family, the story that the city was telling through the corporation council is that he lunged towards the police officer? that is what i believe the transcript said, yes. >> what did the corporation council say that indicated there should be a $5 million settlement in this.
what did he say in favor, in effect, of laquan mcdonald, why there would be a claim worthy of $5 million here? >> well, i wasn't at that particular meeting, so i can't say what he said. i believe if i had been there, my questions would have been different. but i think that as with any negotiation and with corporation council that the contents of the video were such that that if it went to a jury trial that the city would be liable for a lot more and so that it was in the best interest of the tax pairs to settle the case aerch the family's attorney had, in fact, agreed. >> who do you think should run the chicago police department now? >> oh, i think there's some local people within the police department that should be moved up. some young, fresh faces. we don't need to recycle the old faces. there are some issues within the chicago police department. they didn't just start today. and so we'll have to move
forward with that. >> thank you very much for joining us. donald trump leads and we're not in summer anymore. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. a good while back, i said that donald trump was still in this presidential fight come november, why assume he won't be in the fight come february, when we have the iowa caucuses and the new hampshire primary starting up the whole primary season. well, it's now december, december 1st, in fact, and donald trump is still right where he's been, on top. we're just two months away from the iowa caucuses, the first time republicans will cast ballots in a presidential contest and trump remains in the