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about some really important issues of recovery, and addiction, that are ravaging families across the country. and you all, quite frankly, should be ashamed of yourselves. all you do is ashamed. all you do is ask about donald trump every i wplace i go. why do you think donald trump is doing so well? if you talk about him 24 hours a day, anybody can do well. whatever donald trump has said for today is nothing i have any interest in responding to. zblp and good morning. it's wednesday, september 2nd. >> mika, somebody was sending things about yesterday about how
much donald trump and ben carson spent. the others 40-50 million. it's unbelievable these guys are winning without spending money. it's a thing up in boston we like to call money ball. mike, you need to take the screen down. i'm being sarcastic. we're the little engine who could up in boston. the red sox, you know what we do, we live off the fat in the land. >> all those cans and bottles, deposit money. $231 million. >> it pays off one of these days. we're paying a pitcher 231 million a year. you know, i swear to god, this
is how you think now. i see that and instead of being angry and disgusting, i look down at little jack at seven and say i've got to get a baseball. this guy is going to make $213 million to throw a ball over a pitch. >> he's a great pitcher and went to vanderbilt. >> little engine that could. it's over. you're one of us. >> welcome to the dark side. >> we have a lot to get to. >> trump dominating the headlines, the polls, sort of in the middle of an open war. >> opinion pages all over the map about donald trump. this morning the new york sometimes reports gop leaders across the u.s. have deep resignations about the trump
resignation. some officials and donors are weary it could be a down ticket disaster jonathan spoke amongst everyone in the party something must be done and almost no one is willing to do it. the chairman of the ohio republican party said it means handing the election to hillary clinton. a lot of senators face serious re-election challenges. another former party in illinois says if he's our nominee, the repercussions of that in this state would be devastating. and the article said when asked about trump's effect in ohio republicans try to send a link to a wikipedia page on the 1964 congressional elections. that year, the republican party lost 36 house seats with barry
goldwater at the top of the gop ticket. >> polls show donald trump is cruising in the republican primary. trump at 27% 10 points ahead of marco rubio and 17% cruz and 16% carson fell seven points. also at 16 points jeb down at 5%. no other candidate rises above 3% nationally. what we usually have, if you follow the order, you would say trump at 25 is killing everybody. by the way, his lead is one. everybody that said the latest round of nonsense was going to destroy his candidacy, stop. we've been saying that for six months. stop. you're going to be wrong. usually, you got a guy that's
stuck at 25-30% and you have all these people never going to vote for trump. once everybody starts dropping out then the establishment will c consolida consolidate behind one guy that will be a woman and be donald trump. the problem is, 2016, nobody's going to drop out. everybody's super pack. the more likely scenario and what this is looking like, trump takes a big lead into the convention and try to kill his nomination there. >> we'll see, right. the resent state of actions on behalf of trump has sort of galvanized and gave courage serum to his critics. there's a legitimate argument to make. 65% of women disapprove of him. 74% nonwhite voters disapprove.
the fact that everyone's afraid to take his on is the essential problem. i could pretweet the attack you dummy, big jerk. there you go, i wrote it for you, donald. he is tapping into the most sinister sentiments in this country. people angry about the obama administration. >> let me stop you there. >> people have been afraid to criticize him because they feel like nothing will hurt him. that is true also. all i'm saying is the things about him that are bad don't hurt him politically so people are throwing their hands up saying why bother. >> you said the word sinister. let me ask you, is my brother
sinister? because i get text all weekend back and forth it doesn't matter what it is. i get text is my father sinister? >> my father is listening to his dark angels. >> you are calling your father sinister for supporting donald trump. >> i'm sure others have this fig fight. >> nicole, the problem with the argument is suggesting my parents were racist in 1970. >> i did not make that argument. >> hold on. you got to listen. this is the mistake the main stream media is making. my parents voted for richard nixon in 1972. so did most of the people across the south. kevin phillips and a lot of people in manhattan and georgetown said it's because we
are racist. no, they weren't going to vote for george. my mom and dad supported the strong national defense. they were tough on communism. they thought what we were doing in vietnam wasn't tough enough. they thought what was going on is we're not tough enough. they didn't vote for richard nixon for the reasons people in manhattan was suggesting and you're making the same mistake all those people make. your father is not sinister. let me finish and i'll give you the floor. my brother and your father are not voting for donald trump because they hate muslims. my brother and your father are voting for donald trump because they hate washington. there are racist out there supporting him. >> nicole speaks. >> my father is ignoring things that a normal political climates would offend him.
my father in a normal political comment would be offended by a man -- in times my father is a rational voter that would be offended by donald trump things. instead he's doubling down and says it's trump or no one. i'm not saying my father or your brother is sinister. my father is ignoring glaring red flags. >> why? >> because of the reasons i just said. his disgust with washington.
this is the kind of thing that will come back and bite him. i'm not saying it's going to ruin his race and i'm not saying he's going down in the polls next week. i'm saying i feel a turn in the way he's acting as of late. >>. >> donald trump's appeal, if you go to his rallies, donald trump is of the moment. he's not long range. he's not telling people where we're going as a country, he's of the moment and self-validates his crowds. if you stand there in that crowd
at trump's rallies, he speaks to the anger in the country, to the anxiety in the country, to the fear in the country, and you feel this. he doesn't talk about the polls just frivolously. he talks to the polls because he's kind of a marketing genius. >> you're right about the self-validation. but all this from the republican establishment is a bit ironic, right. in fact, the entire party has helped create the atmosphere in which donald trump thrives.
barack obama's the worst thing to happen to this country since world war ii or since whatever. you know, everything is going to held. we have no national defense. we're weak in the world. we're this and that. they created or helped create this anger, this resentment, this frustration that trump so greatly channels and is using and then they're like oh, what happened to the voters? they've lost their minds. you've helped drive them crazy. it's reaping what thsowed. >> we've always talked about bush derangement syndrome. there's been obama derangement syndrome. for years past you could hear people say freedom died tonight. america, well, you know what, you can fill in the blank of
about 20 and a lot of them are running for president. today freedom was slaughtered. it just, it happens every day. i can name you 30 people that say that. by the way, that's a generic voice. >> at last jfk with a southern accent. >> with a southern voice. look at the poll numbers again and gene's right. mika, you're projecting. why don't you go over and write for the new yorker or new york times. you don't like herman cain, we get it. donald trump is not going to fall 10 points because he had herman cain on stable in georgia. >> it's a word we've used time and time again. it's strength. donald trump on an emotional
level feels like strength and on that emotional level it feels good. reading this, the new york times about all these establishment republicans and third party groups afraid to go after him, it's remarkable to hear about the cope brothers who i'm sure hasn't feared anyone in their lives saying i don't want to be in the present. >> donald trump makes attacking him such a negative experience that now you have people on the sidelines that won't go after him. >> he's a genius and taking the broad appeal and thinning it out. and i hope you're right. >> about what? >> about him continuing to do well. >> i'm not sitting here saying he's going to win the
nomination. right now he's the most likely to win the nomination. we have something this year we didn't have 40 years ago. it's called january. i think january is going to be the most extraordinary month. four years ago it was right after christmas and new years. january, it's almost like a marathon. you have all these people running and you have trump coming up, cruz coming up. january is going to be insane. trump could finish in sixth place. right now, we've done nothing to suggest he's going to fall below 25%. >> and there's nothing he can do that would suggest himself falling 25%. what's interesting to me is strength is all these projected and you got 75% of nonwhite voters. does that strength turn into something else in their eyes?
do the fights turn into bullying? i don't think there's anyone he can offend he's not already offended. his numbers, there's nothing he can do to himself. the voters have to change. he cannot hurt himself. >> all right. there were other polls that, i just want to show how hillary clinton is doing. alex, can you put up the polls? here we go. hillary clinton, i think she's going to do well. >> looking pretty good. >> my gut is we've got. >> mika look at the head to heads and the head to heads show the impact of what's happening on the republican side and we did this four years ago. marco is only one point behind but everybody loses to her, right. >> they do. we can look at favre rablt and trump and clinton have negative
ratings. 51% holding an unfavorable opinion. no g.o.p. candidate rises above 3% nationally. they are tied with rand paul at two. >> hillary is only minus seven unfavorable. she's been worse. this has been a very good month or two for her for a lot of different reasons including donald trump sort of taking up all the band width while she's quiet. >> do we have time to do the other big story of the morning? chicago. we're going to do that in the b block. the mayor has taken the city's version of police chief out of his job but the question remanes if warnings to happen what is unfold in the city and was there a cover up as well. we'll have that straight ahead for morning joe. this holiday season, get ready for mystery.
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>> the case has raised larger questions about police abuse and lack of accountability to address those concerns, the mayor announced a new task force on police reform and promised to deploy more police body cameras. for some, that's not enough and way too late. nbcs stephanie goss has more on the call for the mayor to step down. >> his fierce critics suggest city officials kept the video from the public for over a year for political reasons basing a claim on this time line. october 20th, 2014, mcdonald was shot 16 times by police and killed. in february 2015 mayor emanual was forced into a run off election. this as police shootings and black lives matter were grabbing headlines. emanual won a tight race for re-electi re-election. eight days later they gave the mcdonald family a $5 million
settlement. bernard, former university of chicago law professor is calling for emanual's resignation. >> i think there's serious doubt mayor emanual would have won the election if this information had been available to the public. >> emanual denies playing politics and says the release of the video would have hampered the investigation. >> mr. mccarthy had become a distraction. there's a lot of questions in the room about you and your office. >> i think i'm doing my job and try to do it every day in a professional way. >> the department of justice is asked to investigate the chicago police department. let's bring in the host of
msnbc's nation. i think there was a lot of issues that call for remanual t step down. you look at cases like this across the country and it seems to me like the police department story is not told in terms of what happened. there's missing surveillance video and other cops there and there was so much time between the release of the video and any charges brought forward. it doesn't seem to me to be just one cop does it. >> no, it doesn't. >> you have to put it in the context during this time period th . >> this mayor and the whole city was in a shaky period. we're being asked to believe during this time they were
closing schools. somebody had to have seen the tape. somebody had to know the gravity of it to go that far which is why when the illinois state attorney general comes out, yesterday, and said this needs to have a federal investigation why did you sign off on it? if you didn't, who miss led you? more than the police chief needs to go. this is an insult to the intelligence of the people of
the city. >> i'm looking at the timing of the graphic video. it's cold blooded murder and you look at the context of the time of it. it's only a couple of months after merg son was in the news day in and day out. this goes across a lot of the police department and leadership. also, i think in stephanie's report and what reverend just said and what you're talking
about, i think that leads to if anyone watched the press conference, mayor emanual's press conference, they were probably struck by how ferocious and aggressive the questions were coming at the mayor from the chicago press court. the family member was gunned down by police officers and now we know that not only was it one police officer who shot him, there clearly appeared to be
other police officers involved in making sure that this story didn't come to life. >> the official counts from the police is we're pointing a weapon in the direction of the officers. they've seen the tape and had absolutely nothing in his hands. it's an area you believe mayor emanual either saw the tape or was told about the tape and still authorized the $5 million payment. do you believe mayor emanual has to resign? >> i think many said that i work with he needs to step aside.
>> we've not heard from the governor. we need to hear from what we've done in new york and where the governor stepped in and said let's have a special prosecutor where it's out of the local county politics. we need to have the motto go around the country. where is the governor we need a federal investigation into what happened with the possible cover up and who authorized, who knew what when and why would you give $5 million to people who had not asked for it yet.
it was an independent journalist who sued and got the tape released. the father is a power and legislatu legislature. lastly and most importantly you have the tape. you have the tape of any police department. there were multiple numbers of reporting vehicles. >> who will erase the surveillance tapes? >> there's a police report that is not reflective on the video.
there's a police report that suggests he's charging the cops. i also have a political matter. as a political figure he had never seen an indictment like the one in the new york times. they say the video like this in chicago could have buried his chances for election. the wheels adjust his ground to a halt. i don't know as a political figure, we've all been clear on the substance. >> given the fact that the clear inference here is this was all kept under wraps so he could win this close election. that's just a clear input we have the draw absent any evidence to the contrary. so there's not only the whole
culture of the police department that obviously needs to be looked at and i'll bet there were voices in the police department that were nay sayers that say this is wrong and i hope we hear those voices but you got to look right at him. i don't know what the recall process is like in chicago, but i think people are going to be looking into that and i think he's really in trouble. >> up next, we are joined for the must read opinion pages and on tomorrow's show republican presidential candidate carly fiorina joins us on set.
this was a new add from the hillary clinton campaign entitled 44 boys is too many. joining us for the must read opinion pages msnbc steve smidct. >> it's too terrible to describe in the english language. >> ywow. all right. >> you don't like little
kids? >> i love little kids. i hate little kids being used by cynical politicians though. >> in 1980 style adds. >> really bad. >> no, it's not because of what you're saying right there. >> there's a table and a campaign headquarterers with
people sitting around it watching it on tv saying it's really good, let's put it out. really incredible. >> what i would have done is put women, working women, hardworking women from every level of society talking about wanting to be paid equally to men, that would be like an add that has to do with this generation of women who have succeeded, do work, have to work and now want a woman representing them. i mean, that was 1972. >> politicians who don't have children who retire them for political purposes. only one step lower is the politician higher a golden retriever. we're moving into that category. >> you've known people that have
hired a fake dog, right. i've known politicians that have hired children. >> let's talk about. >> put them on. >> put them on benches like they're coaching them. >> this is where donald trump is winni winning. >> okay. i think we all don't like to add. reverend you write in the meeting about pastors and in part you write this, it's ashame democrats allow someone like trump to reach out in support of the black church and have not done so themselves thus far. for trump to regard and highlight leading pastors at a time when there's no collective demonstration is a real threat. if in fact, he is the nominee and 10, 12, 15% of the black vote because he in large part ignored by democrats, it could be vital in a close general
election next year. wow, that's an interesting point. >> al, do you really think donald trump, if i'm in vegas, i'm putting the over under at about three and a half. >> no, i would probably agree on it. what my point is, is that trump understands that going after these black religious leaders who i think gave him a huge pass and i really raise serious questions about them, but he understands that's where an overwhelming of majority of black voters are still. >> why don't you think democrats are doing that? >> i think that's why i'm calling them out. i'm saying to them and i'm saying to them, you've got to talk to a broader base in the black community and voters are church goers. voters are ones that on sunday morning are in the church and even in the other party would have to say you're going to go
after voters, you go to black churches, you go to those that are in already your prime voters that i don't think we've seen as collective gathering of those leaders with the democratic candidates. i think trump was strategic in that. i don't know who advised it and i said to some of them in the meeting, i don't know how they dealt with him on the issues that are clearly something we all reo easy pposed to. i don't know how they convinced him how great thou art they're not talking about him. i think clearly there's a challenge here with the democrats. >> he likes the whole bible. he likes all of them. >> an interesting issue that could play very well for donald
trump if he gets the nomination and it's a taking for granted issue. >> you're right. >> gene, and you agree with that, right. >> i do agree with that. the first step toward getting somebody's vote is asking for it. >> showing up. >> frankly, african american voters are taken for granted by the democratic party and you know, that will work to a point this year and probably work quiet well. a relatively small fraction. they could have dyer implications. imagine cleveland, say which is going to, the black vote in cleveland is going to determine how the state of ohio goes. the democrating party has
implicated here and needs to get to work some and ask for votes. >> steve smidcht, the republican party ever gets from six% of black voters to 15% of black voters and richard nixon got a third when he ran the first time and still did well in 68 or 72. >> i had the experience of running arnold schwarzenegger's campaign in 206. there was not a sunday where he was not speaking in front of multiple black churches. unfortunately, republican politicians have never been to an african american church service. it is a joyous loving great affair. with great.
in november he received 27% of the african american vote with the highest in the modern era of the republican party. if republicans will show up in this community and we will talk to that community with respect, with love, with compassion and we will attach ourselves to the historic roots of the party, the party of lincoln, we can do great damage to the democrat's coalition by asking this community to come back home to the party that was their home for much of the early history of the party. >> i would add mnixon's republican party is much different. i would also add african american memories are long. it's going to take more than one meeting at trump tower with black clergy or from the faith community to scrub the memories of potential african american
voters about what donald trump said in terms of the president's legitimacy as an american born citizen and some of the other things he said not just about african american children but people of other color. if donald trump wants to go to a black church for several months if he gets the nomination, goes to the black church and asks for the vote, maybe he can pick off 3%, joe. >> still ahead, president obama has always said he wants to close the prison at guantonamo bay. now he's the one turning down the plan. we'll explain why. plus a new acknowledgment isis is anything but contained as suspicion runs deep with americans in iraq. those stories ahead.
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do you feel as though your warnings were ignored? >> i think they didn't meet a particular narrative that the white house needed. i have said and i believe that the people around the president is sort of inner circle we're advising him advised him incorrectly. >> 49 past the hour. iraqi forces backed by u.s. led air strikes have reportedly surrounded the city of ramadi. according to ap, the troops appear to wing back the city from isis control. it could be a long siege. come monday, troops dropped warning su civilians to leave. meanwhile, the new york times reports 56 people have been arrested in the u.s. this year for helping support or plot with isis. according to a new study, that's the largest number of terrorism related arrest in a single year
since at the present time 2001. it comes as the washington post reports in the deep suspicion of the united states. the paper reports that members of the iraqi military are saying they've seen videos showing u.s. helicopters air dropping weapons to isis militants with many claiming they have friends and relatives who have witnessed other instances of collusion between the u.s. and isis. a commander of one of the country's militia that isis is weak and if america would stop supporting them. >> woe. that's in the washington post. the suspicions are so deep of the united states that they actually believe this we're helping isis. >> there are, these are sectarian divisions.
we should mention that this is a commander, the iraqi military dominated by shia. the western part of iraq dominated the majority soonie. so we don't understand political area and the civil war between the soonnies. >> we go back to what joe biden said in 2002, 2003. if we're going to solve the crisis we're going to get rid of the imagine lines and have a curd iraq and do the same thing in syria. >> so my daughter and i were looking at the iraq map yesterday for a project she was working on and dividing it into three when i was trying to explain it to her. >> it's really simple and you talk to anybody that's been in iraq more than a day and they'll tell you the soonnies will not fight for good reason.
for an iranian backed government out of baghdad. it's never going to happen because your family members in 2004, 2005, 2006 were slaughtered by militants who were s-- >> these conspiracy theories are a big part of our culture. several years ago there was a state of shark attacks in egypt and was a dominant narrative and story line after the series of shark attacks was this was an israeli plot and they had trained the sharks to come and attack in egyptian waters. this isn't surprising. these conspiracy theories are always part of the narrative over there. >> he's pretty good. >> the truly surprising thing, it's not majority support here
in this country for the injection of wholesale numbers of american troops into what we just talked about, what you just referred to as a generations long historical religious tribal warfare. >> i do believe though if barack obama would actually get involved in this fight aggressively, he could prove the world that isis is a jv team but the fact that he has not taken the fight to isis actually makes him look like he's wrong. i agree with the quote that if we took the fight to isis, we could beat them. we could destroy them. we're just not doing it. >> we are beginning to. we are. you heard ash carter yesterday. >> ash carter, yeah. there was a consensus i'm told within the pentagon, within the military establishment with the proper number of troops.
that number is debatable. three months you can do it. but are they going to stay there after that? >> i know. he says you're going to have to. >> guess what, i was the one that said bring him home, bring him home, bring him home. you know what, we had to stay in korea. we had to stay in japan for a while and europe for a while. yes, you know what, after paris, we have to stay there. we have to keep troops there. the president of the united states learned this after iraq. that's why we're staying in afghanistan. something i was dead set against. you know what, is western civilization worth 10,000 american troops? yeah, it is. >> is that region of a rainy troops. >> that's the only way we do it if the uae, if saudi arabia either sends troops or pays for our troops, if turkey, everybody else in the region gets involved. that requires leadership.
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here's what my hope would be that if i become president your life will be much better than it would have been if i didn't become president. it's as simple as that. it's as simple as that. and i'll go one step further. if somebody else becomes president and they're not good, they don't do the job, they
don't do what they have to do, your life will not be as good. it just won't be as good. >> scaring little kids. >> welcome back to morning joe. i think he scared a little child. with us on set we have former mccain senior campaign strategist and former adviser to president george w. bush and the washington poll post's -- as well. good to have you all on board. >> a lot to talk about. so much to talk about. >> this morning new york times reports g.o.p. leaders across the country are looking for a way to stop donald trump but just don't know how. the paper reports some officials are done nors and they're weary it will be a disaster. the chairman of the ohio republican party warns a trump
nomination means handing the election to hillary clinton and a number of republican senators like rob fortman, ray, kelly johnson and ron -- face serious re-electi re-electio re-elections. another party says if he's our nominee the repercussions of this in this state will be devastating. >> mark, do you agree with the assessments? hillary wins and republicans get slaughtered down and it's a nightmare for the party? >> yeah, no question. you mentioned earlier in the last segment, january is a long period of time and things that will change the equation is when somebody else is winning. somebody else is going to be winning when we get to iowa and new hampshire. i don't think donald trump is going to win. >> you don't think so? >> no, i don't. the heat now is for cruz and rubio. >> do you agree with the assessments if donald trump wens it's wins it's a disaster. >> 60 years ago involved in the
effort now, it would put significant pressure on a number of these republicans running in democratic states like the races that were mentioned. i do think one of the aspects under reported here is this. you now see a dynamic where cruz and carson are trading chair. carson loses a vote, cruz is picking it up. you ceaser son coming down now, carson will not go back up. he's disqualified himself by his unpreparedness. cruz is benefitting that. when you add together the cruz and the carson numbers they now exceed the total of the trump numbers. >> i think the thing about trump he may have a floor but also a ceiling. if you're a trump, he's not a second choice for anybody. >> when you add to kasich, christie and bush numbers there's enough for chris christie, for example, to come up and be competitive in a three-way race. >> sure.
>> you can see christie coming out of new hampshire, some different equation and soon as somebody else is winning, we spent the last hour talking about donald trump. as soon as somebody else in winning that's the story. >> ben carson was added to one poll and everybody called ben carson a front runner for a week or two. >> he couldn't uphold it but cruz will. >> long as this race. >> how do you know they're going to hold it? >> because they're much better candidates. >> i think christie is a good candidate. if he gets the spotlight, he's not going to know. >> i don't think he's going to know. i've seen no evidence donald trump is going to fall behind 26-27%. >> you're right. when you combine cruz. >> here's the thing. under normal circumstances people are smart and drop out of the race. rubio never drops out of the race. carson will never drop out of the race because he's going to want to go to the convention and speak. that means roger is paying more money. >> people are going to drop out.
so the electorate diminishes. >> let's be clear. >> establishment front runner. >> when you talk about the down ticket implications of a trump nomination they're no different if ted cruz was the party. it's not as if ted cruz would perform better. >> if i'm running in illinois, i actually would rather have donald trump at top of the ticket than ted cruz. >> if you tell me you can have donald trump or ted cruz, i'm taking donald trump because ted cruz is exactly what new england republicans have to deal with for the past 30 years and they don't like it. >> in the new york times piece mika just referenced republicans
repelled by mr. trump because he says he's preventing a less desirable standard, senator ted cruz in texas. there's a quote saying he's keeping cruz where he is. >> a new national poll has donald trump cruising in the republican primary. the university poll has trump at 27% 10 points ahead of marco rubio and ted cruz at 16% who tries ben carson after falling points. really quick, we can talk about jeb at five and how shocking that is. but in politics, all i ever looked at, trends. donald trump as one of the most -- runs with about four stories that would been the end. any one of them would be the end of any main stream and datd is up three points mika. >> yeah, but what are we taking? >> 30th was the last day.
two days ago. >> he's got a concrete floor. >> that's the thing. he has a fourth of the republican electorate, it seems, no matter what. >> it's enough to win. it's enough the beat a nominee. >> it's enough to take a lot of delegates to a convention. it's enough to be the nominee of a republican party. this is not a two way race and none of these candidates are going to get out early. because of super pacts, it use to be presidential campaigns ended when they ran out of
money. the adds are moving nothing. jeb bush can spend $12 million, he can spend $112 million. >> it's the worst investment of politics. >> they're not working. >> they're not working. >> we have that to your point, nbc news in washington reported bush, rubio and kasich together spent $45 million. donald trump spent $217,000 on advertisi advertising. so they're pouring money, good money after bad. it's not doing anything. >> i was going to echo willie. here's the most amazing stat to me. steve mentioned a little bit ago. nbc went through these numbers yesterday. jeb bush and his super pact, $28.9 million in spending.
donald trump on tv adds is $0. he has a $217,000 radio bite. $0. it's fascinating on both ends. i think we focus on trump rightfully so because you spend $0 and he's ahead by double digits. but jeb bush, the argument, i heard joe talk about this and he's right, the problem for jeb bush is $29 million in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina to see his numbers at best stay steady. at worst start to drop. i think this is a dog in the dog food problem. the dog doesn't like the dog food. the voter doesn't like what jeb bush, what they are getting in jeb bush. $150 million, whatever money he has yet to rise, i don't know if that matters. if i was jeb bush honestly, use that money and go after donald trump. someone needs to go after donald
trump who has the money and commitment to sustain that attack. >> yeah, and donald trump using instagram. why pay for a commercial when you sit at your desk, somebody gets a camera phone and you go there and say what you say and puts it out there and tv networks pick it up. he's got 10 million facebook and twitter and instagram and everything together and you know, candidates, chris christie complained about the fact that the press reports on donald trump. why do they report on donald trump? because he says outrageous things. if chris christie said the things donald trump said and survived, the press would be reporting on him as well. this entire poll, let's put it up. this entire poll was taken during the jersey city story which i almost called it a debok l. it would be for any other
candidate to say something that there's not a sweat of evidence on video that it occurred in the modern age and yet donald trump went up three points, steve. in the last poll last month he was headed by one point. now he's headed by 10. >> we live in a post fact era in american politics and facts are subordinate to the narratives in support of ideology. so we talk about donald trump's statement, lack of video evidence but no one sits around and talks about in this debate back and forth about another huge story that never happened. hands off, don't shoot, never happens. did not occur in reality. factually, never happened. but we don't have the same condemnation at that as we do on trump's comments and that fact
is n lost on the donald trump voters who were viral and despise the media with its bias. >> i've got to say it. i've said it in real time, the sunday that the st. louis rams held their hands up and said they we they should be suspended because they're lying and suggesting cops, talk about being alone and talk about being a racist and talk about the hatred of people from this network tweeting things out about me is unbelievable. they came out and said it never happened. it's stunning. you know what, those facts don't matter. they don't matter. >> the narrative matters. >> and trump's narrative, time and time again on jersey city and other issues doesn't matter. >> and joe, i just, just one quick thing. if you see anyone who supports trump, if they, if you ask them why do you like trump? what draws you here?
they say he's the only one telling the truth time and time and time again. you'll see that phrase come up and it's just a separate reality which is it's what steve talked about. total distrust of the media. total distrust of the republican party. what fact checkers, all those people say this muslim celebrating thing never happened. they are disqualified in the eyes of many of these people because of who they are. for his truth trump's, sorry, their truth which is really a remarkable thing i'll tell you as a political reporter, a remarkable thing to be living in an area. there's nothing you can say or do that will dissway them. a wrote about trump and the muslim thing. your bias. of course, you would say that. these are, we as reporters go to jersey city and go to the apartment buildings where these things happened.
freddie who worked for the post, they didn't find that. that is sort of irrelevant. it's a remarkable time to be a reporter. >> it doesn't matter. yet every time he has one of these moments there's a wave of media coverage that says this is the last straw. we never say that at this table because we've been watching it. things change. the media disagrees with however many democrats and independents don't like it. it's not effecting donald trump. he doesn't think he'll win iowa. it's unclear how he slips back enough to lose iowa. >> it's unclear to me too. if it's 25, 27, 30% and they're this many candidates in, it seems very likely that he wins and if he wins iowa, then momentum does count and that gives him a boost in new hampshire. it gives a boost in south carolina. you know, so there are a lot of
scenarios under which trump gets a whole lot of delegates and again, maybe he doesn't win the nomination but he's, maybe he does. you know, it's interesting. we should avoid however absolutes in saying it's ut l lirly impossible anything brings trump's numbers down. he disqualified himself by showing he knew nothing whatsoever. trump, i think, is smarter than that and more than that. we should never say never. >> eugene, thank you very, very much. we'll continue the conversation after the break. still ahead on morning joe, mike huckabee fresh off knee surgery. that hasn't slowed down his one liners. >> i am not taking pain medication other than at night for the main reason i saw what
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the white house has rejekctd a plan that would close the prison at guantonamo bay. the pentagon's cost estimate for building an alternative facility in the u.s. rang up to more than half a billion dollars after getting the initial estimate, the president reportedly rejected the plan with defense secretary ash carter operating the prison in cuba cost some $400 million a year and the new u.s. based facility was projected to cost about
$300 million a year but that's after hundreds of millions in construction cost. according to the paper, 107 inmates remain at guantonamo bay who are detained in the war on terror in the years following 9/11. 48 have been deemed eligible for transfer to other countries. closing the facility was a key part of president obama's 2008 campaign. that's what's expensive. let's bring in republican house majority leader, representative kefb mccarthy of california. how are you? >> i'm doing well. >> we teased before we went to break something might be getting done in washington. was i misleading the viewers? >> you're not misleading the viewers. look what's happened just this week, a highway bill. something you haven't seen in quiet some time. the thing you want to look at well is the process. joe will appreciate this. it went to conference for both
parties, both sides worked together bringing that bill back not for a small extension but for a five year plan for the infrastructure of america. when you have the education and elementary act coming forward out of the conference. you've got our budget bill, the of knee coming up next week. you saw bipart son work on the refugee program and then you're going to see coming out later this week dealing with the gaps and as a rule nur blts in our visa waiver program and that will be bipartisan as well. >> what about the plausibility of the shut down or key issues really causing some strife there? do you foresee that happening? >> no, i don't hear talk of that on the hill, only questions from reporters. i don't see that happening. i see it as getting work done and in a positive manner. >> mark. >> other than the significant changes in leadership, what's changed in congress? what's happening now that wasn't happening before? >> i think change does make a
difference. i think so paul ryan is doing a tremendous job. you get a generational change going forward. i think the american people have spoken to those sitting in congress and realize they've got to get their work done. structure dictates behavior and we see a structure that's moving. >> that's great to hear. we see that con stitch wants are demanding problem solving over partisanship and seems to me that's where they're getting the message. we want to get things done. we've got some stuff done. >> so you remember when you don't go home and you get the work done you hear from the american people. >> no work, no pay. >> it's a republican idea. >> leader mccarthy, it's willie, the president of the united states is in paris for the last several days talking about climate change. you all voted tuesday to block part of his plan. what is a reasonable thing for the president to ask of you in
terms of climate change? what would you like to see done on climate change? >> i would like to see them sit down and work with us. what we actually blocked was a regulatory cap and trade that it was done by regulation not by working with the congress or senate. remember, democrats tried that before and never passed from the american people. the thing i would like to talk is they have an honest discussion. epa did a study on co2 emissions from 2005 to 2013. do you know america decreased theirs by 9%? that was the largest in the world. between 2005 and 2013, we had a fundamental growth when it came to natural gas, crude and others. what we have proven is you can protect the environment but also blow the economy at the same time, that system can work. i think sitting down together, we can find common ground that allows both to happen.
we've proven it before and becoming energy independent can become a goal from where we start. >> is your chief complaint with the president's plan about jobs? it would kill jobs. >> i think regardless of what we ever do, it would have to have a part of the investigation. >> what we've done, think about that. think about what fracking has done from 2005 to 2013. the growth of economically has been done. at the same time, why can't we have both in america? i believe we can. >> congressman, thank you very much. good to see you again. >> thanks for having me. >> coming up, used by donald trump to back up plans that some muslims in america celebrated after 9/11 attacks. we're going to bring in the article from 14 years ago is now getting a lot of attention. we'll be back in a moment.
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i can tell you reported to me, i didn't say it. don't get me wrong. reports by the police were attacks in brooklyn, queens and in the bronx. >> when you say attacks. >> meaning that there were a couple of these incidents where muslims were celebrating and people attacking. there were celebrations. >> that was former mayor new york rudy giuliani reading from a 2001 -- that donald trump sites as proof there were celebrations in new jersey in the weak of 9/11. >> wait, wait, wait. are we really talking about whether there were celebrations? donald trump is saying that there's thousands? >> yes. thousands were celebrating. thousands of people celebrating. so is there's two questions. were there isolated incidents and were there thousands? >> no.
joining us now, the author of that new york post column. help us out, fred. >> three days after the attacks you write of attacks in pattern son, three days after. where did you hear that from? >> what trump has done is con flat the small demonstrations that took place in new jersey and used them to place on the west bank. those days after 9/11 are filled with palestinians in the west bank by the thousands cheering and kissing each other, et cetera, et cetera. there are also small demonstrations in new jersey. >> what were your sources? >> the first i heard of it was on the radio. i heard. i then called up a friend in clifton. he didn't know anything going on. in clifton, people were driving
through the streets honking and shouting. he was a bit unnerved. it went viral. a very bright guy says your sources are not as good as you think they are. eventually, i got an e-mail saying you were basically right. there were demonstrations that occurred but they were small. you know, couple of dozen people at most. >> yeah. >> that sort of is i mean look, he doesn't need to do this. why? >> i guess willie though, donald though is getting something written back in 2001 saying see the demonstrations happening and by the way, i'm getting the text and e-mails from other people
saying see donald was right. thousands were not protesting. regardless of even if there were these isolated incidents. >> i have no question out of a country of 300 million people and two guys in a car in clifton honking their horns and screaming whatever they're alleged to scream. the question is what is the bigger point, what are we getting at here? it's not about a hand full of muslim americans celebrating, it's about donald trump's view, perhaps of muslim americans. >> he made this point to back up his policy recommendations that we surveil. this came up after paris when he said i think we should and i
think he's talking about washington mosque before he even talked about the registry for muslims. this came up in the context. attached to a policy proposal that should be examined and criticized and questioned. he insisted, i heard him yesterday morning say my memory is perfect. whose memory is perfect? that's ridiculous. he's a great act but he's not a good source of active information. however, he's not completely wrong. i don't know if you guys saw the daily news yesterday but there were letters to the editor of the daily news, one of an officer patrolling atlantic avenue and he picked up these same lines. >> fred, thank you very much for coming in. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me.
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then you said this, by the way, just in case your father wants to know also quote my father is listening to his dark angels. >> sorry for mark. >> you can take his call about trump. he'll be like you know what, i'm doubling down on my guy. where's your guy? i've got to go. >> i've got a couple of other guys for you. the term rubber is playing -- here's head cruz. >> we have two little nerves.
i'm very glad we don't have 17. >> gymny cricket, this is a made up nonsense example. last i checked, we don't have a rubber shortage in america. look, when i was in college we had a machine in the bathroom and you put $0.50 in and wala. you're hillary clinton. and you're trying to think how do i look? so what do you do? you go ah-ha. the condom police. i'm going to make up a completely made up threat and try to scare abunch of folks that are not paying a lot of attention into thinking someone's going to steal their birth control. what nonsense. >> i don't think it's too late for me to get back into the legal profession. >> no. >> i find the cricket, the most
offensive part. >> as offensive and the hillary clinton. >> all right. so here's jeb bush. >> i'm just wondering. i could get a job as -- i could do that. sell some books, go to the convention. by the way, we figured out what's going to happen. you guys want to know what's going to happen? >> here's jeb bush. >> trump is going to go to the convention with the most delegates, the gop is going to find the broker convention and take the nomination away from him. trump is going to run as an independent. >> whose they? whose going to take it from him? they can't even, whose they? >> the people that are actually in the convention that will stop him. >> they love him. you know. >> that will stop him from getting the majority number of delegates. they will never give him. unless trump gets into the
voting booth, he'll never get into the convention. >> it's going to be -- >> no. this is and as willie said, he doesn't actually have to run the country. you know. it's kind of like barack obama, it's cool if he can just get elected. it's the governing part that's no fun. >> he don't want to be butting heads. >> no. >> but can you imagine it coming down to this. >> omaha, nebraska presidential candidate. >> come on, governor. aren't things any better. what's going on? >> well, look, it's going to be decided a whole lot more out
here in the frozen under zamora of iowa that it's going to be sitting around that table in new york, joe and you know that. for two months away. >> oh, come on. if it wasn't for me to communicate to those voters who are going out there on the frozen tundra of iowa. exactly two months from last night on the caucuses, i think things look different by the time people start voting than they do today when there's still an enormous level of just fascination with many of the candidates. look, iowa voters have a long history of taking this stuff very seriously and when it gets time to vote, they tend to vote differently than they poll two months away from the caucuses. >> they have a history of breaking late. they did it for you in 08, they did it for san or the up in 12.
there's no formula to this, is there. >> well, the formula is going out and meeting voters one on one. there's no short cut. it's kind of like governing, joe. there's no short cut to that. you can't make a speech and hope that the members of congress come along. you have to find out what it is they want. governing is hard work. you know that. i think a lot of people think this is about making speeches and having some great lines. it's really not so much about can you make a speech but can you make a decision and what leadership looks like is very different than what campaigning looks like. i do think that people are going to start looking at this a lot more seriously. our country is in too much trouble for us simply to select somebody to be president because we think it will be fascinating or interesting. >> let's talk about an issue or two. isis on the front page of new york times and washington post as usual. we were talking around the table
about the possibility of splitting up iraq into three countries. would you support that sort of approa approach. >> i simply support giving the kurds their own territory. they can govern and defend themselves. the biggest mistake is that we failed to keep your promise to the kurds. we ploromised to give them arms. baghdad never delivered the arms to the kurds. we left those folks hanging and the result is thousands of them were slaughtered by isis. we made a terrible tactical era. >> the soonnies are not going to fight for a government out of baghdad that's influenced by iran, are they? >> probably not. we all understand that the soonny shia fight is as real
verses the rest of the world and civilization itself. one of the thing perhaps we should do is if the soonny and shia intend to fight among themselves stand back and let it happen because clearly, it is in our best interest to take out all of the people who want to destroy civilization whether they're shia or soonny. here's what i don't understand. we made a deal with the iranians. we made a deal with the muslim population so we can defend the 85% that are soonny. that doesn't make sense. certainly not with the iranian government that cannot be trusted and should not be trusted and this deal is going to blow up in our face. >> everybody's in on the war on terrorist. the consensus among people actually fighting the war on terror on a daily basis is it's
going to be a generational war and go on for some quiet period of time. given current economic conditions in this country, given the vast oil resources that the world has now seen, would you be in favor of a $0.01 hike in the federal gas tax, something that hasn't been raised since 1994 dedicated to fighting the war on terror? >> well, i've got a better idea. grow the economy which we would do if you changed the tax structure. you're always asking what i would do. you're asking me would i support your plan. i'm the guy running for president, i'm asking if you would support mine. i don't think that's necessary. what we ought to be doing is exploring the hundreds of years of energy we have under our feet. we have an adequate amount. we are the number one energy exporter to the world and ought to take the energy marketplace
away from the russians, iranians and saudis. >> try one more time. one cent hike in the federal gas taxes. >> support our troops. >> why do we need it? why do we need to raise taxes. you always want to raise taxes. why don't we have the exploration of our energy, sell it, take away the marketplaces. we've become the supplier to europe, asia and africa. >> governor, he's from massachusetts. what do you expect? they call it taxachusetts for a reason. >> it's always the response liberals have. let's raise taxes, let's raise taxes and it may not be the best solution. >> you think they have the support they need? >> the thing is. >> and wait for you to fix the economy. we can get done in washington. i get your point. >> how much do we spend a year? 4.5, $4.6 trillion. i think we can figure out a way
to fight a war without raising even more taxes is what i think. >> i don't think we have. so will we? >> move to connecticut if you want to see a -- >> look, we have an incredibly anemic economic growth. it's less than 2%. when our economy was growing at 4% as it was through the '90s, we were able to fully fund social security and medicare. there are a lot of things that happened with economic growth that is far better than taking what little money people have in their pockets away from them. working-class people need a wage increase, and you're not going to get that by raising taxes. you're going to cut their wages. for 40 years there has been stagnant wages in this country for the bottom 90% of the economy. why on earth would you want to continue to gut-punch the very people who need a wage increase rather than a decrease. >> amen, mika. amen. i think i am the only one at the table that congress with the governor. let me just say, amen.
and all the people said -- jim says alone, jiminy crickets. can you tell ted cruz -- can you tell ted cruz nobody uses the term "jiminy crickets" anymore. okay. i don't know if he watches 1948 movies when he's trying to -- >> it's sort of cute if he does, right? if he watches 1940s movie. >> no. it's creepy. >> should we get him netflix. >> they don't use that other term either. >> mike huckabee, thank you for being on the show. >> by the way. donald trump a pretty fascinating -- fox & friends -- >> no, no, no. we're not going to talk about this muslim story that be doesn't exist anymore. we're not doing it. >> that's not about muslim story. that's about the war on isis. okay. you're getting -- you're trying to get blinders on. >> i'm sick of it. feeding into something that i think is -- >> will you tell us in the
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>> bernie sanders is authentic and clear in his messages. >> over 10,000 people. ♪ and good morning. it is wednesday, december 2nd. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and former communications director for president george w. bush nicole wallace. washington pulitzer prize winning columnist and msnbc analyst eugene collins. >> mika, somebody was sending things around yesterday about how much donald trump and ben carson had spent versus the others. it's unbelievable that these guys are winning out spending any money. it's a little thing up in boston that we like to call money ball.
mike barnicle, we -- you need to take the screen down. i am being sarcastic. it was a segue into another story. the little engine that could in boston. the red sox. we live off the fat of the land. >> the cans and bottles deposit money. you take it to the supermarket. $231 million. >> it pays off. we're paying a pitcher $231 million. >> a year. >> 31 million a year. >> that's too much! >> no, it's not too much. >> that's too much! >> i swear to god, this is how you think now, right? i see that. and instead of being angry and disgusted i look down at little jack going, i have to get a baseball in his hands. this guy will make $213 million to throw a ball over a plate. >> two things. he is a great pitcher and he
went to vanderbilt. he is okay by me. red sox fans forever officially surrendered the right to criticize the yankees. $31 million a year. it's over. you're one of us. welcome to the dark side. >> yes! sold out. exactly. >> all right. nice light way to start. w >> a lot of stuff. trump continues to dominate the headlines. the polls. the gop now sort of in the middle of an open war. >> opinion pages all over the map about trump. we'll get to that. but this morning the "new york times" reports gop leaders across the u.s. have deep reservations about a possible trump presidential nomination. the paper reports that some officials and donors are wary that it could be a down-ticket disaster and erase gains around the country in state and local governments too. jonathan martin writes, quote, almost everyone in the party's upper echelons agree something
must be done and almost no one is willing to do it. the chairman of the ohio republican party warns a trump nomination means handing the election to hillary clinton. a number of republican senators like ron portman. ron johnson and mark kirk face serious re-election challenges. another former party chair in illinois says, if he is our nominee the repercussions of that in this state would be devastating. and the article says, that when asked did trump's effect in ohio a republican strategist sent a link to a wikipedia page on the 1964 congressional elections. that year the republican party lost 36 house seats with barry goldwater at the top of the gop ticket. >> meanwhile a new national poll shows donald trump is cruising in the republican primary. he has expanded his lead. the quinnipiac university poll has trump at 27%. ten points ahead of marco rubio at 17%.
cruz at 16%. carson fell 7. jeb way down at 5%. no other gop candidate rises above 3% nationally. fiorina, three points. the governors christie, kasich and rand paul tied at 2%. what would usually happen, nicole, if you follow the order of the political universe, you would say, okay, well trump is at 25%. he is killing everybody. by the way, his lead was one last month. so everybody that said the latest rounds of nonsense was going to destroy his candidacy, just stop. you've been saying that for six months. stop. you're going to be wrong. but usually you have a guy that stuck at 25% or 30%, and you have all these people saying they're never going to vote for trump. you say, once everybody starts dropping out the establishment will consolidate behind one guy, or woman, who will beat donald
trump. the problem is in 2016 nobody is going to drop out because everybody has super pacs. the more likely scenario is trump takes a big lead into the convention and then they try to kill his nomination there. >> we'll see, right. i think that the recent spate of actions on behalf of trump i think has sort of galvanized and maybe given some courage serum to his critics. i think that there is a legitimate argument to make -- it's made in this article, 65% of women disapprove. 74% of non-white voters disapprove of him. that's given people a more substantive argument against him. the fact that everyone except kasich is afraid to take him on who is running an ad that taps into that is an essential problem. i can pretweet the attack on me. you big dummy. you're too stupid to keep your
job. i read it for you, donald. he is tapping into the most sinister sent iiments in this country. people have been afraid to criticize him because they feel like nothing will hurt him. and that is true also. all i'm saying is things about him that are bad don't hurt him politically. so people are throwing their hands up and saying, why bother. >> they don't hurt him politically. his floor now appears to be higher than everybody else's ceiling. >> it has been for a little while. >> he cannot offend his 23%, 24%, 25%. you said the word "sinister." let me ask you. is my brother sinister? because i get texts all weekend back and forth, it doesn't matter what it is, is your father sinister? >> my father is listening to his dark angels. we have been fighting every night. i called him last week -- >> you are calling your father sinister for supporting donald
trump. >> the counselors may have to flood the scene but i'm not sure -- i'm sure a lot of families over thanksgiving had this fight with people in the trump camp and trump critics. a lot of people are probably having that fight. >> the problem with the argument is you're making the same argument that people like kevin phillips made, suggesting my parents were racist in 1970. hold on. you've got to listen. this is the mistake the mainstream media is making. my parents voted for richard nixon in 1972. so did most of the people across the south. and kevin phillips and a lot of people in manhattan and in georgetown said it was because we white people in the south were racists. and that the democratic -- no! they weren't going to vote for george mcgovern. my mom and dad supported the strong national defense. they were tough on communism. they thought what we were doing in vietnam wasn't tough enough.
they thought what was going, the chaos on college campuses was not tough enough. they didn't vote for richard nixon for the reasons the people in manhattan were suggesting. your father is not sinister. my brother is not sinister. they're not voting for donald trump because they hate muslims. my brother and your father are voting for donald trump because they hate washington. there are some racists out there i'm sure who are supporting. >> nicole speaks. my father is ignoring things that in normal political climates would offend him. my father in a normal political climate would be offended by a comment that talks with megyn kelly bleeding. he is a rational voter.
instead he is doubling down. he said for him it is now trump or no one. i am not saying that my father -- i'm certainly not saying this about your brother is sinister. but my father is ignoring glaring, red flag -- >> why? >> for the reasons i just said, because of his disgust with washington trumps -- to use a terrible pun -- >> that's his appeal. i think his appeal and probably still is and probably i am wrong, but to land in the middle of you two, i think he had broad appeal, but of the past maybe seven to ten days he is narrowing it to a large group of people who followed sarah palin and the like. if he does more of this, i think he hurts himself in the general. i think people are right, he elects hillary clinton. so go for it. because this is the kind of thing that will come back and bite him. i'm not saying it's going to ruin his race, and i am not saying he is going down in the polls next week. i am saying i feel a turn in the
way he is acting of late that will impact him. >> donald trump has two challenges. one, he has to get above 25%. he can't do it by fighting somebody every day. i understand that. secondly, right now if a general election were held he would get slaughtered by hillary clinton. he has won the short game. he now has to figure out whether he wants to win -- >> he continues to play it. >> he needs to figure out whether he wants to win the long game or not, mike. make no mistake. he is winning the short game right now. >> part of trump's appeal. if you go to his rallies. he is of the moment. he is not long range. he is not telling people where we're going as a country. he is of the moment. he self-validates his crowds. if you stand there in that crowd at trump's rallies, he speaks to the anger in the country. he speaks to the anxiety in the country. he speaks to the fear in the country. and as he speaks, people recognize one thing. you feel this when you're with
them. that they are there with a winner. he doesn't talk about the polls just frivolously because he has nothing else to talk about. he talks to the polls because he is kind of a marketing genius, in addition to having one of greatest memories of all time. >> yes. >> you're with a winner. gene, i don't know if you have been to one of his rallies but the self-validation in the crowds is really interesting to experience. >> you know, you're right about the self-validation. but all this, oh, woe is us from the republican establishment is a bit ironic, right, because in fact the entire party has helped create the atmosphere in which donald trump thrives. barack obama is the worst thing to happen to this country since world war ii or since whatever! you know, everything is going to hell. we have no national defense! we're weak in the world! we're this, we're that.
they created or helped create this anger, resentment and frustration that trump so adroitly channels and is using, and then they're like, oh, woe is us. what happened? what happened to the voters? they've lost their minds. well, you helped drive them crazy. so, you know, i mean, it's kind of reaping what they sowed. >> gene is right. we talked about derangement syndrome. for eight years every bill that passed you would hear somebody on the floor go, "freedom died tonight." >> who was that? >> you can fill in the blank of about 20 -- a lot of them are running for president. "today freedom was slaughtered" [ and a drawl ] >> i could name 30 people who say that.
>> jfk with a southern accent. >> it was amazing. >> look at the poll numbers, again. and gene's right. >> see what happened to ben carson when his credibility was undermined and he said things that weren't true. >> mika, you're projecting. you have been doing this for two days. why don't you write for "the new yorker" or the "new york times." you don't like herman cain. we get it. donald trump will not fall 10 points because he had herman kane in georgia. >> he projects strength. if you are a republican, the vast majority of republicans, some independents you think the last eight years have been weak. you think the american economy has been weak and we've looked weak to the world. donald trump on an emotional level -- he hasn't dug into the substance of how he would be strong projecting american power. he feels like strength to the american people. reading the jonathan martin piece in the "new york times" about the establishments and third party groups being afraid to go after him it's remarkable
to hear about the koch brothers saying "i don't want any part of this fight." i don't want to be in the press every day. >> what does harry reid think of that. >> therein lies the genius of donald trump as a tactician. he makes attacking him so -- so -- such a negative experience that now you have people on the sidelines that will not go after him. >> i think he is a genius. i think he is taking the broad appeal and thinning it out a little bit. by the way, i hope you're right. >> about what? >> about him continuing to do well. >> listen, i am not sitting here -- >> that makes hillary clinton winning the presidency a reality. >> i'm not saying he's going to win the nomination. he's the most likely to win the n nomination right now. we have something we didn't have four years ago. it's called january. four years ago it was right after christmas and new year's
and then, boom, you had it. here, january. it's almost like a marathon. and you have all of these people running. trump is in front, but you see marco coming up. cruz coming up. carson still ten points behind. january will be insane. anything could happen. trump could finish in sixth place. i'm just saying, right now he has done nothing to suggest that he is going to fall below 25%. >> and there is nothing he can do that suggests he can take himself below 25%. i think this question of strength, what's interesting to me in the jonathan martin piece is that strength is all that he's projected. you have 75% of non-white voters and 65% of women turned off. does that strength turn into something else in their eyes? do the fights with the reporters start to feel like bullying. does it start to look like something else because i don't think there's anyone that he hasn't already offended. but the numbers are unbelievable. there is nothing he can do to himself. the voters have to change. he cannot hurt himself. >> all right.
there are other polls that we can -- i want to show how hillary clinton is doing, alex. can you put up the polls we were about to do -- here we go. hillary clinton right now. i think she is going to do well. that's my gut. >> pretty good. >> my gut is that -- >> you're not feeling the bern? >> i do feel the bern. >> mika, look at the head-to-heads. they show the impact of what's happening on the republican side. we did this four years ago. marco is only one point behind but everybody loses to her, right? >> they do. we can look at favorability among the general electorate. both trump and clinton have negative ratings. 51% hold an unfavorable opinion of trump. no other gop candidate rises above 3% nationally. fiorina at three points. christie and kasich tied with rand paul at 2. >> hillary, though, is only
minus 7 in favorable, unfavorable. she has been worse. this has been a good month or two for her for different reasons, including donald trump sort of taking up all the bandwidth why she is quietly and methodically -- coming up on "morning joe," the top police official fired in chicago over the death of a black teenager shot 16 times. but now the back lash has reached mayor rahm emanuel's office. first, bill karins joins us. >> fog is the big issue. starting in areas around washington, d.c., with dense fog. low visibility is not good for driving and it will pile up the airport delays. there are delays throughout the region with the low visibility. here is the scenario. we are watching the stream of moisture off the pacific coming up the east coast. this is the last day of this, by the way. only south florida will get soaked tomorrow. the tree-lighting ceremony at 30 rock. cloudy and damp at 6:00 p.m. for
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this morning the chicago police chief has been fired amid outrage over the videotaped killing of a black teenager by a police officer. mayor rahm emanuel made the announcement hours after a police superintendent, garry mccarthy defended his job performance in an interview with our chicago tv station. >> i've been held accountable. you're looking at accountability. people don't realize that communities across the country have called for civilian oversight of police departments and outside agencies to investigate police shootings. we have both here in chicago. >> he has become an issue rather than dealing with the issue.
and a distraction. i have a lot of loyalty to what he has done and him, but i have a bigger loyalty to the city of chicago, its future and the strength of that future. no one person trumps my commitment and my responsibility to the city of chicago and its future. >> the case has raised larger questions about police abuse. and lack of accountability to address those concerns. the mayor announced a new task force on police reform and promised to deploy more police body cameras. for some, that's not enough and it's way too late. nbc's stephanie gosk has more on the calls for the mayor to step down. >> reporter: emanuel's fiercest critics suggest city officials kept the video from the public for over a year for political reasons, basing their claim on this time line. on october 20th, 2014, laquan mcdonald was shot 16 times by police and killed. in february of 2015, mayor emanuel was forced into a runoff
election. this as police shootings and black live matter were grabbing headlines. on april 7th emanuel won a tight race for re-election. eight days later the city gave the mcdonald family a $5 million settlement. it would take seven more months for the video to be released and van dyke to be charged. former university of chicago law professor is calling for emanuel's resignation writing in the "new york times" there has been a coverup in chicago. >> i think there is serious doubt that mayor rahm emanuel would have won the election if this information had been available to the public. >> reporter: emanuel denies playing politics and said the release of the video would have hampered the investigation. >> mr. mccarthy had become a distraction. there were a lot of questions in this room about you and your office. have you become a distraction as well? >> you'll make that judgment. i'm doing my job and i try to do it every day in a professional
way. >> that was nbc's stephanie gosk reporting. the attorney general of illinois has asked the department of justice to investigate the chicago police department. let's bring in the host of msnbc's "politics nation" and the president of the national election network. al sharpton and msnbc contributor jonathan capehart. i think there are a lot of issues here. calls for rahm emanuel to step down. reverend al, you look at cases like this across the country. it seems that the police department -- that the story is not completely told in terms of what happened. it can't be just one cop. there is missing surveillance video. there were other cops there. and there was so much time between the release of the video and any charges being brought forward. it doesn't seem to me to be just one cop, does it? >> no, it doesn't. and you have to put it into context that during this time period they had an election that
was forced into a runoff. and this mayor and the whole incumbent city administration was really in a very shaky period. and we're being asked to believe that during this time that they were closing schools -- they closed 50 schools in chicago. they had the money to give $5 million to a family that had never sued them, never filed a notice of claim and that someone would approve $5 million without the mayor or anyone asking why are we giving this kind of money when we have to close schools. somebody had to have seen the tape. somebody had to know the gravity of it to go that far, which is why, when the illinois state attorney general comes out yesterday, lisa maddigan and say this needs to have a federal investigation, there is something that stinks here. it had to go all the way to the top, and the mayor needs to
answer, why did you sign off on it unless you saw the tape. and if you didn't, who misled you. but more than this police chief needs to go, this is an insult to the intelligence of the people of that city. >> jonathan capehart, you want to talk about the timing. you can talk about the timing of the election. i am looking at the timing of this graphic video, this heinous act. it's just cold-blooded murder. and you look at the context of the timing of it. it's only a couple of months after ferguson was in the news day in and day out. how out-of-control does your police department have to be if they see this occurring and they don't immediately bring this guy up on charges, don't immediately hold a press conference and don't immediately say, we have a really, really bad cop that committed murder. if you don't do that, there is a suggestion that this goes across
a lot of the police department and its leader. >> this is one of the reasons why the police chief was let go yesterday. but also, i think, joe, you know, in stephanie gosk's report and what reverend sharpton just said and what you were just talking about, i think it leads to why, if anyone watched mayor emanuel's press conference yesterday they were probably struck by how ferocious and aggressive the questions were coming at the mayor from the chicago press corps. i am a veteran of the new york city press corps. we pride ourselves with being the toughest, roughest group of people on elected officials in the country. the mayor and governor get roughed up by the press corps. yesterday the mayor got that from his own press corps. with good reason. he has a problem. as reverend sharpton pointed out. has does the mayor allow $5
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welcome back. 34 past. joining us now for our political round table. msnbc's steve kornacki and jamie weinstein. willie alluded to this last hour. i don't know if you remember. but here is the actual words that donald said. this is donald trump speaking this morning with fox news saying we need to take out terrorists' families. >> i would knock the hell out of isis. i would hit them -- i would hit them, brian, so hard like they've never -- >> what about civilian casualties. people are concerned about
collateral damage. >> i would do my absolute best. one of the problems that we have and one of the reasons we're so ineffective is they're using them as shields. it's a horrible thing. but we're a fighting a very politically correct war. >> we see that happening -- >> the thing is with the terries you have to take out their families. when you get these terrorists you have to take out their families. they care about their lives. they say they don't. you have to take out their families. >> and the beat goes on. any other, steve kornacki, any other candidate running for president in any other year saying that would be in front of 500 cameras later this afternoon weeping and apologizing and saying they, you know -- >> yeah. >> not donald trump. he will go up in the polls. >> yeah. that's the thing. after four or five months of this, this is the first time i heard that. i'm listening to it. my initial impulse is whoa. you know what?
that's par for the course with donald trump. the same voters who are moved by the idea of just bomb the hell out of isis, talking that way, i don't think this makes them suddenly say, oh, that's too far. >> jamie, you wrote an article before the "new york times" about the mass republican defections. that will help donald trump with 27, 28, 29, 30, maybe 35% of the republican electorate. we've been talking this morning about the possibility of a brokered convention. i do not see 50% of the people at a brokered convention giving support to donald trump. given what i am reading in your article and in the "times." >> my article is the elite opinion makers. i'm so sure they matter much to the grass roots. that's the question. if the conservatives in washington defect will others on the ground defect. i think the same thing when i read that. this should end his campaign. on the other hand, maybe he just clinched the nomination. >> he'll go up. by the way, with the quinnipiac poll we've been citing, nicole,
the things he's been saying over the past few days that mika says is narrowing his cast and i'm saying he needs to take a break from the battles. let's put it up. up three points. guys, if you can go to the main one where donald trump is up three points. and this poll is all taken during the jersey city and i will say debacle, if you're interested on facts on the ground of whether there were a thousand muslims protesting. up three points. >> well, because i think he -- there is no one left for him to offend. his challenge now to keep his base of supporters, which is large. he is the dominant figure in the republican primary, is to continue to prove his political incorrectness. i actually think this is his brand, and he has to continue to push the envelope. not only should we not be surprised if his numbers go up. we shouldn't be surprised if it gets more outrageous.
>> it's like when ben carson said a muslim -- basically did his religious test. >> he went up. >> we were all shocked around the table including myself. i said he will go up in the polls and he did go up in the polls only to drop. >> he went down when he was proved not credible with his information. >> incompetent. >> what trump is doing -- leaders try to appeal to our better angels, at least they try. he's appealing to the basist instincts. leaders are supposed to say, that's not the right thing to do. we can win this without having to become like them. >> or, jamie, you take -- have civilian casualties and create more hatred and terror. there are lots of different ways to analyze that strategy as perhaps extremely destructive. but that's -- these statements are not for a foreign policy conversation. these statements are to appeal to a wide number of american voters who are angry at washington. >> yeah, angry at washington. more angry at washington, as i
was saying in the first hour than, let's say, hating muslims. my brother, your father, what are. steve, i wonder where the quote moderate is. moderate would be conservative like in 1995. >> yeah. >> i wonder where that moderate candidate is that's strong enough to get the 30% of the moderate vote. that's question one. question two. why is it that donald trump is getting so many moderate supporting him? these are poor, trailer park people that are right-wing stooges. >> the stereo type of the trump voter doesn't match the reality of the trump voter. we don't think of blue states like massachusetts, we never talk about it in the context of a republican primary. it ends up mattering. you take a poll in massachusetts right now, donald trump far and away is the first figure there. look at the path like somebody like mitt romney or john mccain took, it ultimately relied on
gobbling up big delegates in illinois, maryland, massachusetts, in california, and those are the places trump is winning. when you get beyond the rhetoric about muslims and the rhetoric about immigration, he has actually taken some more moderate-seeming positions when he talks about like the social safety net, when he talks about medicare, social security, when he says i was against the iraq war before we went in there. he says things that you really don't hear republicans say these days and it positions him. the strategy we're talking about right now, as outrageous as some of the things are, to me it stops being rational the minute he starts losing support on the republican side. what he is doing is very politically rational to win the nomination. what i wonder is, if he got the nomination, does he pivot all of a sudden and become the moderate donald trump who favored a windfall tax on the wealthy again? >> whatever he has to do to win. mika, he probably does. what's interesting is usually i accuse the media of
hyperfocusing on iowa and new hampshire and talking about that when you have all the big states after it. the thing is, after you make the turn from these early states, trump is actually way ahead where efverybody else is not campaigning. >> because of the national media. >> this is the reverse. if they want to stop trump, they have to stop him in iowa and south carolina. >> if you talk to mark mckinnon he says on theground ground inf these states he is not so strong. >> he mentioned he's not doing well with second place voters. he's second or third as the second choice for a lot of people. he is the second choice of a lot of people. it's a myth to say he only has this floor right now and there is no one else. people are supporting other candidates who would go to him if those candidates drop out. >> we have to go. i have to ask a question. the "new york times" has a chart, most likely to win the
nomination. i see marco rubio nom one. we talked about marco being beloved in the press for some time. i may be wrong. i hear trump has good organization on the ground in new hampshire. i hear cruz is strong, he's got the money. am i missing something with marco? is there evidence that marco rubio should be the favorite to win? because i -- i don't -- >> i don't see it either. all the smart people say that. think about the example you were saying 20 years ago. when i look at this, 20 years ago there was the opening for the moderate establishment candidate. pat buchanan. in 1996. dole, alexander was behind him. trump is in first place right now. think about who is behind him. it's cruz, carson. you add those together, you're at 60%. i don't see necessarily how they all flock to marco rubio. >> that's outsider supporters.
steve kornacki -- >> what's funning is the "new york times" article basically points out, correctly, the only candidate that republicans fear more if you're kelly ayotte, ron johnson or mark kirk, than the number one person in the republican lineup right now is the number two in ted cruz. ted cruz would be devastating for republican candidates in illinois, in new hampshire. you name it. in blue states. devastating. >> steve kornacki, you will have more reporting on this coming up at 9:00 a.m. jamie weinstein will read your latest piece at "the daily caller." still up, yahoo! now considering selling the very business that made it famous. we'll go to the new york stock exchange for that story next. this holiday season, get ready for homecomings.
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you've done this, jim. >> yes, it is. it's a culmination of a lot of the things our employees, the company have been doing independently whether financial or volunteer hours. it's now provided us a platform where we pull everyone together, add a lot of energy to it. we're able to promote national charities like st. jude's, american heart association and american red cross along with 46 other local charities that we sponsor throughout this event. it's really all year long. it's not just financial contributions. it's 122,000 hours that we do for volunteer work also. >> the story is, when you look inside -- >> they're beyond belief. >> adam, 18 years old from tennessee. he had acute lympho blastic leukemia. part of his treatment was a medicine that took $30,000 per dose, and he needed 72 doses. st. judes covers it. >> this was an alternative
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>> jim, tell us how people can help and how you guys contribute. mike has a bet with mika. he will give mika a truck if donald trump wins the nomination. what happens if mika goes over to mazda and does a test drive? >> one of the things that we do on a test drive is donate volunteer hours as a company and our employees. on the purchase of a vehicle we donate a certain amount of money to local or national charities. and we've donated over the last couple of years over $7.5 million. so along with 122,000 volunteer hours. it's not a matter of writing the check. we have involvement with these local charities. >> sweat equity. >> absolutely. even at st. jude's children's research hospital. >> thank you, gentlemen, so much for everything. >> thank you, guys. happy holidays everyone. >> really inspiring. we'll be right back with what we learned. y you live for years to come. how can you help? by giving a little more,
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now try new boost® compact and 100 calories. it's unbelievable. welcome back to "morning joe." mika, what did you learn today? >> jiminy cricket. no idea. >> there is some history in russia doing just that. >> it's not helpful. >> i learned once again st. jude's. >> amazing. >> incredible. >> i get a text from my brother. >> your brother hates me. >> of course he does because you said that he and others who supported donald trump were sinister.
your father included. >> he said, i would rather be sinister than blind. >> love you, joe's brother. >> all right, george. thanks for the texts. keep them coming. all right. what time is it, mika? it's time for "morning joe." now it's time for "msnbc live" straight ahead. right now on msnbc. trump on top. new polling out this morning shows support for the businessman growing in their race for the gop nomination. >> i have the most loyal people. others, if you sneezed, they would drop you. >> less than nine weeks to iowa and the republican race for second is becoming more volatile than ever. and it's the battle between two freshmen senators getting all the attention. also this morning, firing fallout. the day after the head of chicago police department is forced out, the justice department is now being asked to perform a top-to-bottom review of thent