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try to relax. i'll take a bullet before you do, that's for damn sure. just be cool, okay? >> the shooter, syed farook, the other shooter his wife. they had a 6-month-old daughter. they were killed in a shoot-out with police. >> there are indicators that this was well planned out and it was to be violent in nature. they were in tactical gear. i don't know if they had ballistic protection, but they were in tactical gear and had several magazines full of ammunition fashioned to their body, so they were ready for a
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gun fight should that occur. >> we have our team of reporters in california and across the country covering all the angles. and democratic candidate martin o'malley is with me this morning. craig, good morning. where do things stand as of right now? >> jose, i spoke to a city official about 20, 30 minutes ago in the mayor's office. she tells me the investigation is mainly going to focus on two front. first of all here local officials are going to spend a considerable amount of time debriefing folks who were inside yesterday, survivors. >> there were hundreds of people in the building. >> there were, hundreds of people. there's a lot of cell phone footage. we've shown some of the cell phone footage. there's a lot of cell phone footage to sift through. there has been talk of some other surveillance video nearby. they're going to start to look at that. one of the outstanding questions
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is farook, were they saying anything. and clearly this was something that had been planned out for some time. they had magazine cartridges strapped to their body. they were found with four weapons, two semiautomatic rifles, two semiautomatic handguns. there are reports that he left a holiday party in an angry state, somewhere between 10 and 30 minutes passes, he comes back and he and his wife shoot up this conference room. there are some gaps. i spent some time talking to a young man who lived nearby as the third suspect, what was believed to be a third suspect as that suspect was it and into
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custody. this is what he told me about what he saw and what he heard. take a listen. >> i started hearing gunshot from what seemed to be the back of my house. i ran outside. once we realized they were gunshot, the rest of my family started running inside. the second we step inside we see cops, s.w.a.t. officers, fbi running oun our street pretty much, going in their vehicles, tank-like vehicles, it all sealed very surreal. >> brian there talking about what he saw at his house yesterday. at this point investigators do not believe the third suspect was connected directly to what transpired yesterday. one more thing that the city official told me, a letter. there was some sort of written explanation to what had gone
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done? >> it was described that these people went in with a mission. it want improvised hour. >> let's talk about the location. of a a of all the places, these are places dedicated to help people with developmental disabilities. these are people doing god's work on a daily basis. i think that's why so many people are clamoring for an explanation. why here? >> i want to bring in tremaine lee. he is very hospital. >> reporter: police were concerned about actual bombs. behind me at loma linda
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hospital, there are five victims that remain inside the hospital, 5 of the 17. two are in critical but stable condition, two are in stable condition, one is being assessed. meanwhile yesterday this scene was full of drama and hurt and pain and families were coming to see if their loved ones were okay, and in that kind of drama, there was also another level of drama, a bomb scare around 2:30 in the afternoon. in the midst of all the chaos and families and victims, there was actually a bomb threat. that threat was noncredible so it was back to business of taking care of those victims. it's still early in the morning here. as this hospital shakes awake, i'm sure more will be coming out shortly. >> trymaine, i thank you for that report. unfortunately i'm having problems hearing you. we are having some audio difficulties this morning. we're going to take a short
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families and victims. >> it was just a couple of yards behind us where this happened at a holiday party. it just seemed so random and yet so bloody. >> this is a city that is resilient. we're a strong community. we certainly believe in family values and rebuilding our city. this is municipal bankruptcy we're talking about and coming out of it. we've been in the cross hairs of bankruptcy for three years. i believe this is an isolated situation. we want to convey that san bernardino is safe, that we're conscientious of the issues we're facing today but san bernardino is on the recovery. >> tell me a little bit about the community. who makes it up? >> there's a mayor and city coupe comprised of elected figures -- >> but the folks who live here, who are they? where are they from? are they generations here?
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>> we just celebrated a monumental 150-year celebration for the city. it's an older city. the city of san bernardino certainly has -- it's a working class community and we have a lot of third and fourth generation families here in san bernardino. >> john, thank you very much for being with me this morning. you have u.c. san bernardino, you have such amazing places here and such great places to be. it's such a tragedy. it's such difficult time. i thank you, john. >> thank you. thank you. >> i want to go to nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. what are you learning about what happened here and who these people are? >> well, we've learned a lot overnight, jose. at first you may recall the witnesses at the inland regional center said they thought lee people, three gunned men came in firing weapons. now we know the number was two and now we know one was a woman.
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authorities have been working to trace the weapons. they believe that farook bought the handguns legally but the assault rifles, that is to be determined. the couple also threw what authorities say were three home made explosive devices, though police say none of them went off. >> the witnesses say he arrived alone at first, got into an argument, came back 10 to 30 minutes later and was with his wife and began shooting. based on that information, the police went by the house and saw the suv.
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that's what led to the shoot-out and when the shooting was all over, the two were found dead inside. farook's brother-in-law said the couple had a 6-month-old daughter, which he says they left with farook's mother the day before the shooting -- earlier that morning rather, claiming they had a doctor's appointment. so now investigators are looking into farook's life, trying to find a motive. they believe he recently went to saudi arabia. they're finding this in federal records. based on the timing, their assumption was that that trip was for the haj, the pilgrimage for devout muslims. it was clearly well planned, they were heavily armed, they had those home made bombs and now they're looking through the couple's computers, looking for clues, they'll look through his employment records and history, talk to his co-workers and see if they can shed any light on that, jose. >> pete williams, thank you very much. i want to bring in legal analyst
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jim cavanaugh. let's talk about what happened and how it happened. the chief of police of san bernardino said it seemed like these two were on a mission. they came in, opened the door and started firing. it doesn't sound look necessarily someone who gets ups upset -- >> the targeting is personal but the planning and preparation is more ideological. if you look at it this way, this couple of making the pipe bomb, this female who came from saudi arabia, about six months agriculture and pop say his behavior changed. anyway, there's a plot afoot. they're making bombs, amassing the ammunition, the equipment, the attire. something's afoot in their future. they're going to do something.
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it's cooking in their minds and their plan. it may not be that it's the attack on these personal co-workers, but something's afoot. now, they either -- he goes in there that morning to scout it out and before they're going to do the main attack, which could be on some soft target, they then seek revenge on co-workers or it could be that he went there not planning to do an attack that day and -- but was planning to do an attack someday and he gets in a fight with his co-workers once again or get miffed or disrespected in his mind and he says today's the day and he goes back and they load up and go. so i would just say that the motive probably is mixed, revenge targeting personal issues and maybe larger ideological terrorism-type motive. that's sort of the way it looks
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to me. like pete said, they have to look into the computers, into writings, into the background of this female. was she a radical islamist? maybe she was pushing an agenda with him. he's kind of a changed person after she comes back and lives with him. so there's a lot of preparation here. that tells you a lot about what's going on. >> as pete was telling us, the people that were at this party said that he left and whoever came back, i mean, when he came back, it was 10 to 30 minutes. that's not enough time to leave here, go to your house a couple of miles away, change outfits, look for the weapons and then build pipe bombs. in other words, this is all stuff that had been already stored and the amount of ammunition that they found on him and the clips that he had on his body, clearly he wasn't expecting a one-incident plan.
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this was planned. >> there was a soft target they were going to hit based on a terrorist motive and before they did that, they decided before we do that, we're going to seek revenge on people close to us that we dislike. remember, they wore masks to gets away and they got away. so i don't think we should assume that this is the only attack. there could have been a second attack that they already planned all along and was the main attack and that this, just because it was so successful, 14 people dead, were reading into it was the main attack. i'm not sure it was the main attack. they might have went back, got more ammunition, had their masks on and were going to go to a soft target in the community and they said because we're going to die in that one, we're going to seek revenge on these people that we hate, disreich, that
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mistreated us. in the end i think we're going to find that the motives are mixed. >> jim cavanaugh, thing you very much. joining me is former redland police chief. thank you for being with me. what happened we're yesterday, the response by police was almost immediate and they really did an extraordinary job with very little information from which to go. >> absolutely. what you saw yesterday was almost a textbook example of police response to a really horrific scene. it was evolving on the officers, let rally minute by minute. it involves what you saw was a regional approach this this. this is a police department that's been hit economically. they've been downsided.
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they did great job and so did all the other and also it seems as though officials had trained for this. this do interagency training. this region has a congratulate relationship amongst the different different police departments and sheriff's department. it's a great collaboration that's been around for many, many years. >> where do the investigations go from here? you know, the initial police work is done. now the investigation and in many ways, the tough part. >> yeah, and there's going to be multiple of investigations going on. there's still lots of work to be done at the scene of the initial shooting. and then you have this multiple shootings of what caused them,
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what was their motivation? how did they go about explaining this? >>s did your gut tell you this wasn't just a one-off, some guy got upset with the worker at the party and then then went and did something. what does i don't there's certainly some of that. but the fact that -- they clearly had to do some planning. >> they say 10 to 30ments. let make it 40. it still not enough time to j do when we come back, martin
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coming on the wake of the terror attack in paris, this horrific murder underscores that we are at a time of war.
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whether or not the current administration realizes it or is willing to acknowledge it, our enemies are at war with us. and i believe this nation needs a wartime president to defend it. [ applause ] in recent weeks president obama traveled abroad to explain he doesn't believe in american leadership, that he doesn't believe in america winning, quote, i don't have time for that. i've got to say fdr and jfk and ronald reagan were spinning in their graves to hear an american president say he doesn't believe in american leadership or america winning. i'll tell you, when it comes to
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radical islamic terrorism, i think our -- >> senator ted cruz reacting to what happened here in san bernardino yesterday, in washington, d.c. this morning at a forum. msnbc host and political correspondent steve kornacki is here. good morning. >> good morning. ted cruz's comments are very interesting, focusing on the idea of this being domestic terrorism, an outgrowth of what he calls radical islam ek terrorism. i think that's one of the questions as we look ahead, will the focus be on from some of the reactions yesterday of the presidential candidates, they wasted no time weighing in on
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stopping gun violence, enacting new laws that might stop a mass shooting like this in the future. on the republican side most of the immediate reaction stayed away from the idea of any kind of explicit new gun laws, focused more on their thought and prayers going out to the sek pressed on that question of gun laws and gun restrictions, he didn't seem interested in go there. this is what he had to say. >> there are law abiding citizens whose rights we don't want to trample on. people are saying don't let a person on the no-fly list get a gun. we have to make sure we're not violating a person's civil liberties or rights while we make sure that we prosecute and enforce the laws. >> we can also show you a very
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provocative cover. this is the "new york daily news" they're trying to make the point that it one thing to pray but it's another thing to actually take legislative action in the wake of a mass shooting like this. but when it comes to that question of legislative response, more gun laws, more gun control, we have a couple numbers we can show for you. it's a little bit more complex. for instance, this is the most recent poll on basic attitudes in this country towards gun laws and toward gun ownership. people were asked in this poll what should be the higher priority, protecting gun rights or controlling gun ownership? it's basically split right down the middle. 50% said protecting gun rights. when you look among republicans, it's nearly three quarters, 71%, who say the priority is it's
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more important to protect gun rights. when we start having these debates about should there be more gun laws, should there be more restrictions, i think it's something to keep in mind, jose. goes right down the middle, that part acted and next immediately, my next guest, governor o'malley. thank you for being with us. >> thank you, jose. >> i was supposed to be with you but all of this happened yesterday changed it. is this a case of domestic terrorism and, as you just heard ted cruz say, this is a time for war or is this an issue about gun control? >> well, it could well be and probably is an act of domestic
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terrorism and in some ways when you look at the carnage that's been created in all of these mass shootings, we have sadly started to grow number to this. this may well be made easier by the fact that we're the on developed nation on the planet that doesn't do a damn thing to keep combat weapons out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them. the fact that paul ryan would talk about due process is outrageous. the fact that-- i am the only candidate that's actually passed comprehensive gun safety wellon, with universal background checks. not asongle hunt are lost
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thereof right to hunt in the state of maryland. >> governor, what exactly could you as president of the united states do to chang thine things? i'm in california where all of the restrictions you passed in your state are even stronger here and yet here is where we have seen this horrible tragedy just a couple of yard behind me. what do you do as president of the united states that maybe hasn't been done? >> we have to do two things here but one essential thing is that we have to provide leader siep. leaders lead. we didn't get the things done in maryland by my standing back and reading the polls. we certainly didn't do it as bernie sanders did by pushing forward immupt for gun dealers and gun manufacturers. i put forward -- we're the
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largest purchasers of guns. but secondly, part of this is about homeland security and part of it is improving information sharing, improving intelligence. understanding combatting counterterror here in the u.s., our front line of defense are actually family members of those that may be radicalized or that may have traveled and returned here. there's going to be a lot of lessons learned from this shooting. we need comprehensive gun. >> and, governor, if it is related, tied to terrorism, nothing has been prove i don't know one way or another as of this morning, what does is say about that as spbt? we've seen the beheading of a
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russian citizen just this week. if it is somehow tied to that, are we doing enough in this country to protect us? >> no, we're not yet doing enough. the fact of the matter is that theit ever since the attacks of september 11th, i have lived every day and woke up every day, went to bed every night realizing that attacks like this very, very lickly will we need to improve. >> there a we have to do a
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better job. we have to realize that 9/11 might have happened long ago but these attacks are an every day threat for our country and we need to do a better job. >> governor, we're less really than two months from the first process to be held forth, do decide who will be the next candidate for president for the democratic party. hillary clinton seems to be hon an upswing, bernie sanders has fall i don't know what are you going to do in theneck couple of months to make a difference here? >> i am going to travel to all of the county. i've been so far to 41 counties of the 99. there's never been a time when the caucus looked like anything
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that the polls said it would look like. so we have 37 staffers on the ground in iowa and we're working hard every single day and there's not a doubt in my mind people in our country are looking for new leadership and a person who can actually get things done. not divide us by you but bring. >> after the break, senator chris murphy of connecticut will be joining me. he's been a strong voice for gun control as well, certainly steps to take to stop this carnage. your prayers should be for forgiveness in you do nothing. we'll be right back. of two aleve for six tylenol?
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i'm jose diaz-balart in san been covering the massacre. we got this video capturing the tense police chase and shoot-out involving the two killers. here is some of that. [ gunfire ] >> the shooters, syed farook and his wave tashfeen malik. matt lauer spoke with the husband of one of the victims wounded in the attack.
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>> we've become very emotional. thank goodness she survived with this kind of situation. >> did she tell you what she saw? >> she could not see the shooters. pause everybody was ducked down. she said bullets were flying all over the place. she krald herself in the bathroom but then she realized her hands were bleeding. >> let go to. good morning. what are we learning about this couple? >> jose, this is where i think the investigation is focused toans the question as to why and that is because both the suspect in this case did not leave a note and they apparently did not make any sort of statements. the authorities releasing some information as well as listening to some of those survivors.
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nobody has said that they splind what they were doing. nothing was shouted. it was simply gunfire. over my shoulder for eight-plus hours, the fbi as well as the police have been seeing if they can find anything. there's a car out there where they've gone through and popped the real question is why and there is no answer. first of all, 28-year-old syed farook, who you mentioned, he is born in the united states. his parents are pakistani. they had him in chicago but then he moved here to california. and this is where he grew up. this is where he went to college and this is where he had been working for five years as an environmental engineer doing
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some sort of inspections. now, within the last year he traveled to saudi arabia. we believe that he went to make the haj, that is a religious pilgrimage for muslims. they same time he had been communicating on a dating web site, where he met a woman and apparently he married her and they camnow, they had a 6-month-old child. while this was all taking pleas yesterday, it seems very clear this was a preplanned event because they took their 6-month-old to his grandmother's and dropped the child off, saying that they were going to the doctor and they needed her to watch the child. then with and some sort of
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tactical gear, dressing in black. they wept back to the location, 5 minutes from here, went into that holiday party and then didn't say anything, just began shooting. one person at the party said that when syed farook had been at the party earlier and left, he seemed to be irritated and angry but that's only one person's observation. we don't have a conversation of or people noting that. if it was just workplace violence, you go through all the steps of everything that had been set up in advance and it doesn't necessarily add up according to investigators. and so it could be something more. the fbi has not said they will not rule out the possibility this is terrorism. so right over there, just a short distance from me, the home where the fbi cleaned out with the aid of the atf, as well as the local authorities, with a robot where they may have found
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some sort of improvised devices. they clend that out and now they're trying to determine if the answer to the question as to why is somehow buried inside that condominium. >> thank you very much. joining me is the congressman who represents san bernardino county. congressman, goo $ to see you. unfortunately these are very trying circumstances. tell me to your personal reaction when you saw had. once i saw the news, i took the first plane to come back. it important for me it be here and see the families and comfort them. to have this tragedy affect us has been heart breaking to me
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personally. what do you think should be happening and is not happening? >> this is becoming all too frequent. as you mentioned before, in this country mass casualties are becoming all too frequent. we need to do something about it. >> this state has one of the strictest gun control laws. there is a prohibition against what some call assault rifles and yet they're on the books. these things are on the books. >> we're also three hours away from nevada where the rules are a little different. so, you know, i think that's why we need to have a national conversation. this isn't a state-by-state fix. while i respect the rule of law in california, we can and should do much more. but this is about the families and the law enforcement officers who risked their lives yesterday
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in order to end this tragedy. 14 families have been affected, many others wounded, as you have reported. this is tough. this is tough. for someone who grew up four generations in this community, this is home. this is where i raise my family. this is where i hugged my kid a little harder last night and this morning. that's what we need it do as a community. >> my wife went to college here in san bernardino. this is an extraordinary community that's gone through some very tough times. it continues going through some tough times. i'm just wondering congressman, the folk who live here, have the communities been able to blend? have you seen that there is animosity between communities here? i haven't seen it. >> no, not at all. i mean, this is a community that works well together. that's the important lesson out of this is we can and should do more. of course there's gun violence in our communities like other communities, and we can and should enact policies and do
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things about that. but this is a rich that has been dealt blows through the recession. this tragedy is so unfortunate. it makes my heart ache for these family. >> governor o'malley was saying these incidents, these tragedies on a national discourse almost become routine. it's that routine aspect i think that hurts us even more as a country. how do you -- >> you can't let that happen. >> the president's talked about it, too. it just seems like -- i was with the president, i followed him to colorado when he was talking about this when the gabby gifford shooting. it's just over and over and over again. >> whether you're araura, arizona, these incidents keep happening. and it's up to us. it up to us to use whenever
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killed point blank. it seems as though nothing can get done. >> having lived through the sandy hook experience, it is hard to figure out how if sandy hook didn't move action on banning military style assault weapons like those that were used in the shooting in newtown, connecticut, how anything else would be more powerful. that being said, you just can't ignore the mounting evidence that something different is happening in this country than any other country in the world. the rate of shootings here is just unparalleled, and the fact is that 90% of americans, 90% of gun owners, support some common-sense changes to our gun laws. and i just don't know that democracy works with it being so out of step with congress being so out of step with public opinion. so listen, i think we have to be honest that the response to these shootings is multisystemic. it's not just about gun laws. it's also about mental health. it's also about law enforcement. but what's so offensive to me is that we do nothing.
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congress doesn't attempt to have any debate about how to fix this in the wake of these tragedies. and i just don't think that people are going to get re-elected to congress if they are totally utterly silent after each one of these tragedies. >> senator republican presidential candidate carly fiorina was on"morning joe" this morning. i want to play a bit for you of what she said. >> i actually think it's ideology, not common sense. that causes the left wing, every time in a knee-jerk reaction, to say the answer here is more laws when we're not enforcing the laws we have. let's start by enforcing the laws we have. >> your reaction, senator? >> i have no idea what she's talking about. 90% of the american public support background checks to make sure that criminals don't get guns. that's not the left wing of america. that is the vast majority of america. i don't know what laws she's talking about that we're not enforcing today. the reality is is that you can't get mental health services in this country if you're sick. we've closed down 4,000 mental health inpatient beds since 2007.
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we need more resources in the mental health system. we need stronger gun laws to make sure that criminals don't get guns and military style assault weapons aren't available to would-be shooters. the reality is is isn't a left-wing or democratic issue. this isn't an issue that's exclusive to nongun owners. everybody wants congress to do something. >> there's also the issue, though, that if this person went to saudi arabia and came back and was somehow influenced by that trip or by his wife or for a number of reasons, how that person, if, indeed, was motivated by ideology, international terrorism, call it what you wish, how that person was able to do what he was able to do so easily? >> so every single one of these mass shootings is going to educate us as to what the policy response should be. and we're still gathering the facts on this tragedy, but i think all of us they'd to admit
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that this is a comprehensive, complicated set of solutions, and maybe we'll get some new facts here that will point us to some new policy prescriptions. but we need to do something. and the fact is that most of my republican colleagues last night and today are offering their sympathies and their thoughts and their prayers, and i know the people of san bernardino appreciate that, but they're not offering much else, and we've got two weeks left in this legislative session. we have time to take at least one step forward either on mental health, on guns, to try to make a difference or at least to show people that we're trying to make a difference. >> connecticut senator chris murphy, thank you, sir, for your time. appreciate it. >> thanks. we'll be right back.
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of two aleve for six tylenol? what's the catch? there's no catch. you want me to give up my two aleve for six tylenol? no. for my knee pain, nothing beats my aleve. welcome back to msnbc's continuing coverage of the shooting in san bernardino. police are spending a second day searching a home believed to be linked to the massacre that unfolded here wednesday.
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as of right now, 14 people are dead, 17 people have been wounded, and at least 2 still in critical condition. the suspects believed to be a husband and wife, fled the scene. police caught up with them a few hours later. these are pictures of the suv the two were riding in before engaging in a shootout with police. both were killed. as the investigation goes on, u.s. attorney general loretta lynch says that the fbi and the atf are providing assistance. the victims were apparently the man's own coworkers celebrating a holiday party at a social services center for the disabled just an hour east of l.a. police do not have a motive yet, but they say they have not ruled out terrorism. we've got the story covered from all angles for you this morning. and on both coasts. craig melvin is here with me this morning. craig, the investigation continues. what happened here just a few hours ago seems like it was so
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long ago, and yet so, so much blood and pain continues here. >> right from where we're standing right now. there's a news conference that's supposed to happen here 9:00 local time, 12:00 back on the east coast. at that news conference, we are expecting, expecting to learn a little bit more about perhaps a motive. at each of these news conferences we've had over the last, you know, 12 hours or so, 24 hours i should say almost now, we have gotten nuggets every time. so the thinking at this point is if they're having this news conference, they'll have a news conference and reveal some new information. that has been what they've done heretofore. the investigation, as you mentioned, happening on several fronts right now. we'll go to kerry sanders in just a moment. investigators at the house, investigators still at that building where they worked with disabled adults. investigators are still there as well. but we are told -- i spoke to someone in the mayor's office a
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short time ago -- we were told that the bulk of today is going to be spent at least by local investigators, the bulk of today is going to be spent talking to the folks who were inside. >> there were a lot of people inside. >> there were hundreds of people inside. lots of cell phone footage. we've seen some of the cell phone footage. we've shared some of it with our viewers, pictures as well. they're going to be looking at that. there's talk that there might be surveillance footage as well from nearby, if not inside, they're going to be looking for that, looking at that as well. was there a letter? was there some sort of explanation? so investigators are going to spend -- local investigators, at least, will be spending a lot of their time today looking and talking about those things. meanwhile, overseas, i'm told, saudi arabia. we know that syed farook's wife, they met online. they have a 6-month-old daughter together who was apparently left with the grandmother while they went on this killing spree
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yesterday. but we know that they are looking into some of her connections in saudi arabia. so that's the latest on the investigation right now. but again, hopefully we'll learn a great deal more about what investigators are looking at in just a few hours here. >> craig thank you very much. let's get an update on the suspects, and craig was talking a little bit about what they've done, what investigators know, their lives were like. kerry sanders is live outside their home in redlands, california. kerry. >> reporter: jose, the real search to the question as to why may be answered inside their home here in the redlands. the fbi, the atf and local police have been here for the better part of eight hours now. it was very slow going to begin with because getting into the apartment, the fear was there could be a booby trap. of course, it is believed they had some sort of improvised devices, including what amounted to sort of pipe bombs, some that could have been remotely
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detonated with a remote control that's actually designed for a child's toy car. and so the authorities didn't want to barge in here too quickly and set off yet another dangerous situation. the area here is evacuated. as we look at the picture that we took just a few moments ago, you can see the car there. that's the lexus parked right in front of the home. that lexus with its doors open and its trunk popped is where the authorities went in looking to see if perhaps there was some evidence there. alfred lopez lives in the area. he was here yesterday. alfred, first of all, what did you see and what did you hear about the commotion as all of this was unfolding right in this area? >> well, we were working, and it started happening about 4:00. we seen the cop cars roaming around here. but i was worried about the shooting over there in san bernardino because i live off of cooley street. and those two streets were blocked off. so i wanted to hurry up to leave here and go over there but i wasn't allowed in. >> reporter: when you saw the
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officers, you knew what was going on not too far away, did you start connecting dots? did you think it was all one and the same? >> you know, i did not. i just -- i saw them roaming around. i wasn't sure exactly what was going on. i was worried about where i live because that's where they have everything blocked off. >> reporter: and so in this area here, you eventually evacuated, that is before the officers moved into this area. >> that's correct. we left before they came in. >> reporter: okay. so alfred, you're like so many people, still scratching your head, wondering why. you're in the area, just a few homes away where you're working where this took place. thank you very much for joining us here live. and the real question, again, is, you know, thankfully we're going to get some more information, as you heard from a news conference, but whether we get some specifics is hard to say. and the reason the specifics are hard to come by is because the authorities don't really have a whole lot of really solid information. what they do know is they do know that the 28-year-old syed farook had worked for five years
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as an environmental engineer at the same job. coworkers described him as a relatively quiet person, somebody who they noticed in recent years appeared to be more in touch with his religion, that he had grown a beard, but they didn't say that he was pro prostelitizing. it was something he maintained very closely himself and then, of course, his wife who he married in saudi arabia and barack back to the united staro united states. they lived here. all we know at this point is she gave birth to their 6-month-old daughter and that she was described by him to coworkers as a pharmacist. jose? >> kerry sanders, thank you very much. and right now knbc's chopper is over the scene of the shootout between the suspects and police yesterday. you can see this is very active scene right now, the investigation is continuing. the area is still closed off to traffic. investigators are going over every piece of evidence.
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and take a look at just how that car ended up. take a look at the amount of bullet holes that that car has. and every single bit of evidence from that scene and the whole area is still being combed over. let's go live to msnbc's richard lui. he is outside of the hospital where some of the injured are being treated. what's the latest there? >> reporter: good morning to you, jose. you were just showing some of the pictures coming from some of the helicopters. as the sun rises here in southern california, there is that primary story of the investigation, but there's also a couple of other layers. first off, there is now this small town of san bernardino city trying to get back to work. you can probably hear some of the activity here around where i'm at. they are building a brand-new parking structure to my left. we can see helicopters in the sky. and at the hospital behind me, the bridge that attaches to one of the other parking structures, now people crossing, coming to
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work. it is a new day here. and as you've seen before, that day after is when the citizens and the residents of these communities try to get back to work. and they are now doing that because, for instance, at the local universities, now open. but the third layer of this story are those who now must look at the victims and must think of what they know and what they may have gone through, especially those who lost their lives. here's what some have said about those who are now reflecting on some of the horrible situations that happened yesterday. take a listen. all right. we don't have that sound, but they did reflect on how those who were in the irc and those who did survive here, jose, very concerned. and in fact, we went out this morning and took a drive around 5:00 a.m. to talk to some of the local residents. and they, as you know so well,
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jose, because you were in paris, they are still trying to understand what has happened and how to process it. i'll share more of that with you a little bit later. >> richard lui, thank you very much. we look forward to having you shortly back on. and joining me now is judy penman, president and ceo of the san bernardino chamber of commerce. thank you for being with me. difficult times here when you think about what happened here, you know, less than 24 hours ago. how is this community coping? >> the community is actually doing very well, jose. we are a strong community. we have faced tragedy before. and we come together as a community. we try to help. yesterday at the chamber, i received numerous calls after the horrible, hideous situation took place and people, of course, automatically want to help. i just don't understand how any individual has -- feels that they have the right to take somebody's life, no matter how they take it, whether they blow up a building or stab somebody
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or however they decide to take it. but our community is strong. the businesses were open, as usual. our schools functioned. i spent ten years on the school board. and i have watched bullying take place and even principals bully teachers. and i feel that this is just a hideous thing that took place. but our community is strong, and they are helping and doing what they can. >> talk to me about the community here. how the different communities, the muslim community that lives in and around san bernardino, in redlands, have they been able to adapt and adopt the united states, and have they been able to adopt themselves to this area with so many different communities? >> well, i can't speak for the muslim community, but we have a very strong presence at our cal state university san bernardino, and it's been positive. but what goes on in everybody's personal life or their secret little gatherings, i certainly
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can't speak to. but i think any individual, regardless of their religious affiliation, can do whatever they want to, whether it's positive or whether it's negative. any individual can do whatever they want to. whatever is inside their head. it doesn't give them the right to do it, bad, i hope more good than bad or evil. it's just whatever is going inside their own mind. it doesn't matter what religious affiliation that they belong to. but we do need to find out whatever it is. but our community is like any other community. look at what happened in paris. they're blowing up schools. they're going into churches and doing these things. it's not right. and it is happening today all over the world. it's hideous. and it needs to stop. >> it happens with such frequency here in the united states, though, judi, doesn't it? >> unfortunately, yes. why is that? do you have an answer? >> i'd like to help people to
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think about that and to try to get answers. >> i think so, too. and i think we need to think about it. we need to go back to the schools and see the bullying that is going on. and i think it needs to stop. the broken homes. and i'm not one against divorce, if families are unhappy, but we need to think about our children being raised and how they're being raised and how they're not -- children are not facing consequences for what is being done. >> judi, thank you very much for being with me. i so appreciate your time. thank you. >> well, i appreciate what you do. thank you. >> joining me now is nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. good morning. what's the latest you're hearing about this husband and wife identified as the shooters? >> well, they're trying to look back through their backgrounds now. they'll be really going back through everything about the two that they can find. tracing their movements that led up to this. looking at their travel. looking at who they were talking to. authorities say that a check of immigration records shows that syed farook who you see here had
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gone to saudi arabia, we're told, by one source two years ago, by another, a year ago. that turned up in the customs and border protection records, the travel records. but authorities at this point believe that that was related to the hajj, the muslim pilgrimage, that devout muslims take -- are supposed to take at some point during their lives to the holy cities of mecca and medina in saudi arabia. the second thing they're looking at is where did they get the guns? now, atf officials, we're told, have traced two of the guns, the two handguns that the two had. they say syed farook bought those. they say a trace of the long guns, the assault-style weapons, comes back to a purchaser in that area, but they can't be certain who that purchaser was. and a question here, jose, is how was someone able to buy those assault weapons in california, which has an assault weapons ban? now, sometimes manufacturers will design weapons around those
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bans so that the weapons are sort of in a kind of a surface way like the banned weapons but in terms of the actual details, they're not. so that's something they're looking into. they're trying to answer that question as well. but the motive, of course, is what everybody wonders about, and authorities say they just don't know what the motive was. they hope to learn more as they question farook's coworkers and look through his computers and his digital media and see if they can find out what was going through his mind. >> yeah, but terrorism has not been ruled out, right, as of right now? >> well, nothing's been ruled out because they don't know what it is until they can say what it is, they can't say what it is not. >> pete williams, clearing up things. thank you very much. it's good to see you. >> you bet. so much ahead live from san bernardino where so many questions remain. we were just talking about the questions. we'll bring you some breaking details as we get them. meanwhile, in washington, republican candidates are addressing the latest mass
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we are keeping our eye on washington, d.c. this is the ju ircoalition presidential forum where senator marco rubio will be addressing the crowd. he's so far the only republican candidate not to reaction to the rampage in california. across the town the senate will debate some kind of gun legislation in the next couple of days. i want to go to capitol hill and
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bring in connecticut democratic senator richard blumenthal. for, it's a pleasure to see you. >> good to see you, jose. thank you. >> your colleague, senator ted cruz, spoke on the shooting just in the last hour. let's listen to what he had to say. >> this horrific murder underscores that we are at a time of war. whether or not the current administration realizes it or is willing to acknowledge it, our enemies are at war with us. and i believe this nation needs a wartime president to defend it. >> senator, do you believe that we are in a time of war here at home? >> well, the war involves isis and isil and a part of the globe far away, but it certainly has
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ramifications at home in terms of the threat here. to say that we are at war at home is a question that really depends on the facts and circumstances. there are a lot of unknowns about the san bernardino shooting. in fact, more unknowns than there are answers. and so to draw these kinds of sweeping, vast conclusions on the basis of this hideous and horrific murder i think is somewhat hazardous, but we do know that there are measures that can be taken that will make these mass shootings less likely, background checks, better enforcement, as is apparent in california of laws that exist right now, providing the resources that are needed to make assault weapons bans really effective. and we do know from this shooting currently that the motive and mental state, while unclear, certainly involve some premeditation and planning. and so the kind of wars that we've conducted in the past at
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home, the war on drugs, the war on crimes, we ought to have some kind of attitude in this country that now is the time for action, complicity in these mass shootings on the part of congress is fast becoming known because of the lack of action. >> so what action specifically do you think could actually make a difference? >> what can make a difference and clearly the evidence of mass shootings -- in fact, there is a mass shooting every day in this country. defining it as four or more people shot can be prevented by background checks, extending those background checks to the unlicensed sales and also closing the loopholes that exist right now in the laws. the terrorist watch list. people on that list can buy guns in this country and have done so in the thousands, and extending the background check so that people can't buy guns simply
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because it isn't complete within 72 hours. these kinds of loopholes make a real difference. they have copses. a kon consequences. so instrumental in the sandy hook shooting as well as very possibly this shooting. better mental health programs absolutely necessary. the kinds of mental health initiatives that have been suggested in the past should be part of a comprehensive package. there's no single panacea, no magic solution here. it has to be a comprehensive effort. and a ban on straw purchases as well may have been involved in this instance. that's the way that the shooter here may have acquired that assault weapon and illegal trafficking. what has to be recognized is it's a national problem. borders of states are porous. the best gun violence prevention laws in one state are no stronger and more protective than the lowest common
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denominator because guns will flow freely from one state to another. >> senator richard blumenthal, thank you very much for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. as new details are coming in on the suspects involved in the deadly shooting, the conversation surrounding gun control and islam is starting to grow on social media. it's also playing out in the headlines. msnbc's cal perry is standing by the discovery set. what do you have for us? >> as you said, this is really reflecting, this conversation that's now popping and buzzing on twitter, people are talking about the "new york post." now, they put out their late edition. that's really sort of the last thing they can go to print with with "murder mission." this is what came out this morning. this is what you find on newsstands here in new york city. now, they've put out a new digital edition. they've changed the cover, and they've made it "muslim killers." this has sparked a debate in social media, online about whether or not this is too
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sensational. obviously, we need to know a lot more about these suspects, jose. >> cal, thank you very much. i'm sorry to interrupt, but i want to go now to washington, d.c. senator marco rubio is speaking about this tragedy. >> -- the world we had for the long ago. i want to thank you. it's great to be back with you today. each time that i return to this gathering, the urgency of the topic at hand has increased since the year before. and i believe that's true this year more than ever before. the threats facing our country and israel have grown dramatically in recent months. in large part -- in large part because our president has placed his own legacy ahead of our mutual security. but, of course, when we gather here a year from now, we will have a new president-elect. and depending -- you can clap. depending on who that is, it will have either taken a significant step toward reviving american leadership in the world and in the process of advancing
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israel's security, or we will have slid even further towards weakness and disengagement. i think one of the things that's become most obvious over the last year is the devastating costs of foreign policy that lacks moral clarity. moral clarity means that we stand by our principles -- >> marco rubio speaking at the jewish coalition forum, in the beginning of his remarks, he did talk very briefly about what happened here. msnbc host and political correspondent steve kornacki is here with details of that and more. steve, good morning. >> good morning, jose. yeah, we've been keeping an eye on this event. a lot of the republican candidates speaking there today, again, just hours after that attack in san bernardino, california, yesterday, and certainly this is a measure. this is an initial measure of how the republican field, how the republican party, how the republican candidates are going to process politically the carnage out in california. as you heard just there right now, marco rubio addressing it
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briefly at the start of his remarks. senator ted cruz, one of rubio's chief rivals for the nomination, was the first speaker this morning. he addressed it much more explicitly. i want to play what ted cruz said about san bernardino earlier this morning. >> all of us are deeply concerned that this is yet another manifestation of terrorism. radical islamic terrorism here at home. coming on the wake of the terror attack in paris. this horrific murder underscores that we are at a time of war. whether or not the current administration realizes it or is willing to acknowledge it, our enemies are are at war with us. >> now, again, we are just learning details as we go along,
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more details about what exactly happened in california, what that motive might have been. but as more has come in, you can see the conversation seems to be shifting a little bit, at least on the republican side. initially yesterday, a lot of conversation, a lot of conversation from the democratic candidates, hillary clinton and bernie sanders, that focused on that issue of gun control. as we've learned a little bit more now, you see ted cruz linking this explicitly to radical islamic terrorism. you had rubio saying he's disturbed about some of the details he's learned. senator lindsey graham also speaking at this event a few minutes ago. he did not go into it in this kind of detail. again, this is something we'll be keeping an eye on as the republican candidates formulate their response to san bernardino. >> steve kornacki, thank you very much. and we are also learning that within the next 10 or 15 minutes, we are expecting to hear from president obama from the oval office. he will be speaking about this incident here in san bernardino. and that is within the next 10 or 15 minutes, and we will, of
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course, bring that to you live. i want to bring in ron allen. he is at the white house. ron, good morning. what can we expect from the president today? >> well, jose, we're not sure exactly what he's going to say, but with each mass shooting in this country, the president seems to have grown angrier and angrier and more and more frustrated with what's happening. he said this should not be considered normal. he said there's a pattern of shootings that's unparalleled anywhere else in the world, and he has called for more conversation, stricter gun control, and essentially a reassessment of how the country thinks about all of this. and that this should not become normal. so, again, at this point, it's unclear exactly what happened in san bernardino, whether it was an act of terrorism, whether it was workplace violence, or just what. so i would imagine the president's going to choose his words fairly carefully, unless he can reveal something to us about it that we don't know. but clearly, he has been upset about all of this. he has said previously that his
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inability to get more common-sense gun control, gun safety measures during his administration is his greatest frustration of his presidency. so i expect him to say something very tough, very sympathetic to the families who have lost and who are suffering out there. i suspect that he will also be very supportive of law enforcement who have done heroic things to try and keep the situation under control out there. and we should hear from him, we hope, in the next 10 to 15 minutes or so. he is now meeting with vice president biden on his regular meeting. and he's also meeting with his national security team, we believe. jose? >> ron allen, thank you very much from the white house. and we expect the president to be giving us some kind of statement within the next 10 or 15 minutes. and, of course, we will bring that to you right here on msnbc. also, we're expecting to learn much more about some of the shooting victims here in san bernardino. hospital officials at loma linda will be updating us live in just moments.
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we are waiting for a live conference from loma linda where some of the victims have been taken with an update on the patients being treated there. let's go live to tremaine lee who joins me from the hospital. what's the latest there? >> reporter: it's a welcome new day here in san bernardino after the horror of yesterday. while the community takes steps towards the emotional healing, there are actually people in this hospital, five of the 17 victims that are beginning their physical healing. so far we have two patients that are critical but stable and three that are in fair condition. now, right now there is a press conference going on which we expect to update us on the ongoing condition of those patients. but again, as the weight of everything really sets in, this community is in the beginning of a very long journey towards healing. >> trymaine, thank you very much. let's listen into that news
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conference that's starting up right now. >> -- we don't give more information as to the status of the patients or where they're at at this point in time. i want to take a moment to say a special thank you to our staff. yesterday was a very difficult day for them in the midst of all the challenges of dealing with trauma patients, we had a called-in bomb threat to the institution. that always is something we take seriously. you never know whether it's credible or not. so o practice and our policy is to always take those matters seriously. i took time to physically walk through the units and give a sense of encouragement to our staff. the remarkable thing is they all were there. they all were hands on. none of them shied away from their responsibilities. and i am incredibly grateful for the dedication of our staff through very difficult times. it's also stressful to have officers with assault rifles going unit to unit, looking for devices, and that is just something that we train for. it's something that our staff
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understands, but it's never easy to go through when you're facing that in the midst of everything else that's going on. especially during the period of time when there are still active shooters at large. >> you guys are a level 1 trauma center. >> correct. >> how many patients were you prepared to take in through your triage that was set up? >> that's a good question. the answer is as a level 1, we're prepared to deal with systemwide or countywide emergencies. and so we bring in, in an event like this, all hands on deck. there's a call that goes out to all trauma surgeons, all support staff, all nursing staff. and so we literally had out in front of the hospital a large group of our professionals that were prepared to take multiple casualties, if that were the case. fortunately, through our isoma triage system, they were able to distribute patients among a number of area hospitals. we could have handled more patients if that were necessary. you then divide the line between
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optimal care and that which is absolutely essential just to stabilize the patients at that point in time. >> you're such an intrinsic part of this community. there are 14 victims that were deceased that were not transported here. can you just speak to the emotional nature of this community and how you guys are feeling based on this mass shooting that took place? >> well, regrettably, the inland empire's had its struggles over the years with gun violence. certainly we've struggled at times with gang violence. earlier this year, we had eight shootings not more than a half a mile away from this institution. and so our staff have trained. they've prepared. but there's nothing that you can do really to prepare for an event like yesterday with the emotional trauma that comes along with that, particularly in the context of you don't know what's coming next. you don't know what the next event will be. and it's as much as anything,
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the uncertainty of trying to react to that. >> kerry, can i ask you, i know that you guys set up, like, a special room for the family members who were coming to be with their loved ones. [ inaudible ] an all-night vigil. did you see that last night, some of these family members spending, like, an all-night vigil? >> certainly. we try to be very sensitive to the families and set up a special place for them to get updates and information. they can't initially visit their loved ones at times because in some cases their loved ones will be in surgery. but there's an opportunity for our clinicians to then meet with them, to give them updates, to try to provide comfort and compassion during a very difficult time. and we have done that before. and again, it's something that regrettably we have had to deal with on a number of different occasions through the years when there have been significant shooting events in this region. >> now, i understand you can't give specific details about the nature of the injuries, the nature of their condition, but
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realistically speaking, what are we looking at as far as recovery? are you optimistic about recovery at this point? >> well, honestly, the story for each of those patients is their story to tell. and we are very guarded about giving details other than to say the technical classification, which we have given between critical, stable and fair, and beyond that, i will leave it for the patients themselves to tell their own stories. some of them already have communicated on facebook. but that's their story to tell, their time, their place, their way of communicating. we simply are focused on clinical care and preserving in every sense of the word their privacy. >> kerry, multiple sources in law enforcement have confirmed that the officer that was involved in the shooting with the suv was transported here. in fact, we had cameras here at the time. can you elaborate on that or reconfirm what we already know? >> i will leave it to law enforcement to describe when and if and how their officers have been treated and where they have
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been treated. again, for obvious reasons, we're being very careful about preserving and protecting the privacy of our patients. you probably observed yesterday we put up sheets. why did we do that? because you have very, very sophisticated cameras. and we try to be very careful about protecting facial identity. and the reason for that is for loved ones and spouses and others to see on the news, their loved one, when they weren't even yet aware that their loved one was in the hospital is a very traumatic event. and so we're being sensitive to that, and that's why. >> can you shed a little light on the range of injuries that you're seeing? i thought that would compromise privacy or identity. >> well, you have the best characterization is multiple gunshot wounds. all of the patients are gunshot wound victims. and we have trauma surgeons that, as i said, regrettably have had a lot of exposure and experience to gunshot victims. and so all of them suffered one
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version or another of gunshot wounds. i will, of course, be very careful not to describe the details of those injuries just, again, because it's the patient's story to tell. >> are the families available to speak? [ inaudible ]. >> we will in of the family, and we have that the press would like to speak to them. it's their decision. and we will protect them and their confidentiality and privacy as long as they choose that. when they choose to speak to the press we, of course, will let them know the press would like to speak to them, but it's not our decision. >> have you spoken to any of the families? >> i think you can see it all over the news, and you guys have done a wonderful job reporting, shock, trauma, stress, all of the words you can think of. i can't think of anything worse than having a loved one in a room trapped with active shooters and there's no way out. and all of the family members, of course, are struggling in
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their own way, in their own method of dealing with the very difficult circumstances they face. some of them have loved ones that have, as we've said, more manageable injuries because of the nature of the classification. some of the family members have dealing with loved ones that have very, very serious injuries. and that's why they were brought here because of the serious nature of their injuries. people deal with things different ways. but there's no question that the shock and trauma and stress is evident all over the inland empire. it's evident in our staff. it's evident in people that have e-mailed me from literally around the world expressing condolences and support and appreciation for the care that we've been able to render during a very difficult, difficult time. >> kerry, security [ inaudible ]? >> well, as you saw yesterday, we had significant security and
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police presence available. we were not advised by law enforcement to lock down the facility, so we did not lock down the facility yesterday. that was because there was no information of an immediate threat to the institution. so because we are a level 1 trauma center, there are still automobile accidents that happen and strokes and heart attacks. we remained open during that entire period of time to try to address other patients that may need immediate care. now, we diverted nonessential away in accordance with isoma guidelines. that's our inland county regional system for managing events like this, but we still maintained our ability to treat other types of patients, and that's why we did not go on lockdown. >> [ inaudible ] do you project them being released? what's next? >> well, actually, even though i carry the title of chief
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executive officer of the institution, they actually don't let me practice medicine. so i can't answer the question of when they may be released. that will be a decision of the medical professionals as to when and how they will release the patients. >> might we be given any updates when that time comes, like prior to? >> we'd be glad to do that, and certainly we'll pass along to family members the desire of the press to speak with them. and again, it's their decision if they wish to speak. any other questions i can answer? i'm sorry? >> [ inaudible ]. >> we have two in critical, three in fair. any other questions i can answer for you? i also want to take a moment to say a special word of thanks to law enforcement. they were here yesterday, very engaged with us, conferring with us as to the status of the
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situation, as you all know, was very fluid yesterday. and we are incredibly grateful to the work of the san bernardino police department as well as the support agencies that provided additional support to them. they have been a remarkable organization to work with. i watched the police chief for san bernardino last night on the news. and just three days ago, he and i were in a no-shave november event that the police department put on for the benefit of our cancer center, and remarkable, wonderful people to work with, and i'm deeply grateful for the service they give to this community. thank you very much. >> and that's the very latest from the hospital. i want to bring back trymaine lee. trymaine, interesting to listen to him talk about the actual physical trauma that is involved with these patients. but also, the emotional trauma that they and their families are
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going through right now. >> reporter: that's right. this hospital is a level 1 trauma center. so they deal with the most serious, traumatic, physical injuries. but one thing he did say that was striking, as you mentioned, was that while you can prepare for those kinds of wounds, what you can't prepare for is the emotional trauma that those people who were trapped in those rooms while that active shooter was shooting, the loved ones who wait, not knowing how badly injured their loved one is, that you cannot deal with. and then he said that in this community, they've wrestled with gun violence issues in the past and gang violence. so again, they were at the ready. they know how to attend to those wounds. but what happens when, as he mentioned, your loved one is trapped in a room with a shooter? what do you do then? how do you heal? and this is what a lot of communities are dealing with, not just in a mass shooting situation, but the kind of day-to-day drumbeat of violence, that repeated exposure to
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violence. and what happens when you have a death, but the injuries? so he said they have three -- i'm sorry, two patients that are in critical condition. what would their life be like moving forward and dealing with those injuries? that's yet to be seen. >> yeah. trymaine lee, thank you very much. you know, this and trymaine was just talking about this, this has happened over and over and over again. tom costello brings us a view of some of the historical perspective of what we as a country have been dealing with for some time now. >> yeah, i mean, it goes back decades. jose, good morning. this case was actually the second mass shooting we had just yesterday, earlier in the day, three were wounded, one killed in a mass casualty event in georgia. there are so many of these events. many of them fade in our collective memories. >> reporter: it's a never-ending list of shootings. june 17th, a church in charleston, south carolina, nine people killed during a prayer meeting.
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october 1st, a community college in oregon, nine dead. and just last week at a planned parenthood clinic in colorado springs, three more americans lost their lives including a police officer. >> in the united states, we have the power to do more to prevent what is just a regular process of gun homicides. >> reporter: there have been more mass shootings this year than there have been days. according to ma, so far 355 mass shootings in just 336 days in 2015. that's defined as four more or victims shot including gang members and domestic violence. before today, nearly 400 americans have lost their lives this year in a mass shooting. this map shows the stark reality, it's a problem across the country. at the same time, gun sales in the country continue to spike. today we learned the sales of guns on black friday alone rose. the fbi running a record 185,000 background checks on friday. that's 5% more than the same day
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last year. >> there are an estimated 300 million guns in private hands in the united states. that means not law enforcement, not the military, just civilians. that's essentially one gun for every man, woman and child in the united states. >> of course, not every man, woman and child actually owns a gun. the cdc reports that from 2001 through '13, listen to this, more than 153,000 people were murdered in this country with firearms. among the worst mass shootings in the country, 32 dead at virginia tech. 26 at newtown, connecticut. we've had littleton, aurora, fort hood, washington, d.c. the list goes on and on. san ysidro, edmond, oklahoma. i could sit here for 45 minutes to an hour, jose, going through the list of shootings, mass casualty events we've seen over the last 30 to 40 to 50 years. back to you. >> tom costello, thank you very much.
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and we are awaiting the president. he's going to be giving a statement from the oval office. it's going to be coming momentarily. he's expected to address the san bernardino shooting. we'll be right back with a look at some staggering numbers about gun sales in america. ♪ [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. ♪ [ birds squawking ] my mom makes airplane engines that can talk. [ birds squawking ] ♪ my mom makes hospitals you can hold in your hand. ♪ my mom can print amazing things right from her computer. [ whirring ] [ train whistle blows ] my mom makes trains that are friends with trees.
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we are back live in san bernardino, california, where yesterday at 11:00 a.m. local time, the massacre occurred just right behind me. investigators are trying to determine a motive. but all of this is putting gun laws and sales back in focus. more on that from msnbc business correspondent olivia sterns. olivia, good morning. >> good morning, jose. it turns out every year guns are actually one of the most popular items to give one another for christmas here in the u.s. in fact, on black friday, less than a week ago, more americans had their backgrounds checked purchasing guns than on any other day in history. this is all according to data
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released by the fbi. they're taking numbers from the national instant criminal background checks system who say that they process over 185,000 requests on november 27th. that was approximately a 5% increase over last career and jose, that is the highest number of receipts since 2012. we know, of course, that gun sales spiked in the wake of the mass -- they do spike in the wake of mass shootings as they did three years ago after the massacre at sandy hook elementary because people start to think that there might actually be new gun controls put in place. they race out to buy guns as they worry that they could, in fact, be banned. we'll have to wait and see now if that happens again here in the wake of the shooting in san bernardino. jose? >> and olivia, how big is the gun industry in america? >> well, according to the pew research center, more than one-third of americans, or 37%, say they or someone in their household does, in fact, own a
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gun. by various estimates, there's anywhere between 270 and 310 million guns in america. that's close to one firearm for every man, woman or child. but we should stress that only a minority of americans own guns. 37%. so it's just that those who do own guns tend to own more than one gun. firearms, though, it is a big business, according to ibis world, that's a market research group. the u.s. gun and ammunition industry does about $13.5 billion in annual sales. according to the national shooting sports foundation. the industry also supports about 260,000 jobs. so the economic impact is, in fact, large. that same group says the firearms industry is responsible for about $43 billion in economic activity. activity that apparently spikes as we head into the holidays. jose? >> olivia sterns, thank you so very much. and that wraps up this hour of msnbc live from san bernardino, california. thank you for the privilege of
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good morning, everyone, i'm tamron hall. we continue to follow the breaking news here at the msnbc headquarters in new york. but right now, we are awaiting a statement from president obama in washington, d.c., from the oval office. the president will be joined by members of his national security team. this will be the second remarks from the president regarding the massacre that we all watched may out in san bernardino, california. but we do want to get you updated on the latest news in the investigation as we await word from the president. we are waiting for new information from authorities investigating yesterday's mass shooting. in fact, we have brand-new images as police search the scene, what's believed to be the home of the two suspected
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shooters. here's what we do know at this point. the shooters have been identified by police as 28-year-old syed rizwan farook and his wife, 27-year-old tashfeen. relatives tell nbc news the couple had a 6-month-old daughter who they left with her grandmother hours before the rampage at a holiday work party, telling the child's grandmother they were going to a doctor's appointment. the suspects were killed in a gun battle when police chased their suv down several hours after the shooting. and we now have new video that captured the exchange of gunfire. a man nearby in a residential area seemingly crawling around his home was able to capture it. here's what he saw. [ gunfire ] police have said at this hour


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