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shooters. here's what we do know at this point. the shooters have been identified by police as 28-year-old syed rizwan farook and his wife, 27-year-old tashfeen. relatives tell nbc news the couple had a 6-month-old daughter who they left with her grandmother hours before the rampage at a holiday work party, telling the child's grandmother they were going to a doctor's appointment. the suspects were killed in a gun battle when police chased their suv down several hours after the shooting. and we now have new video that captured the exchange of gunfire. a man nearby in a residential area seemingly crawling around his home was able to capture it. here's what he saw. [ gunfire ] police have said at this hour
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the motive is still unclear. but authorities say terrorism has not been ruled out. now, local police say syed farook, a u.s. citizen, had been employed as a san bernardino county health inspector for five years. they say he was at that holiday gathering yesterday morning. but according to witnesses at the gathering, he left abruptly, apparently angry. then he and his wife returned to the scene, according to witnesses, dressed in black and armed with assault rifles and handguns and opened fire on those inside. overnight, farook's brother-in-law apologized to victims and said he has no idea what motivated the attacks. >> i just cannot express at how sad i am for what happened today. i mean, the condolences to the people who lost their life. i am very sad that people lost their life and there's victims out there. i wish a speedy recovery to them
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and, again, i am in shock. i have no idea, why would he do that? why would he do something like this? i have absolutely no idea. i am in shock myself. >> as we await new comments from the president, we want to take you right to the scene where our own craig melvin is a part of the team coverage we have for you this afternoon. craig, what's the latest? >> reporter: tamron, in addition to waiting for president obama's statement from the white house, we are also waiting for a news conference that is set to begin in roughly an hour. we've gotten these regular news updates here in san bernardino, and every time we get one, we seem to learn a good deal more about precisely what went down yesterday and also a little bit more about the suspects. just a few moments ago our justice correspondent, pete williams, reported that with regards to syed farook, he was born in june of 1987. he was born in illinois. again, this is according to a variety of federal officials. he's, of course, a u.s. citizen by virtue of that birth. he was married two years ago.
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he worked for the county, as you mentioned, for five years. their daughter, their 6-month-old daughter, born in may. he apparently once travelled to saudi arabia about two years ago. authorities believe based on the timing, that it was for the muslim hajj. they believe that he met his wife there and brought her back at that point. so we continue to learn a little bit more about these two suspects. both of them, as you mentioned, killed if that shootout here in san bernardino yesterday. but the big question right now, of course, tamron, the question that everyone's been asking since all of this went down, why? what motivated them? i talked to a city official a short time ago who told me that today investigators are going to spend a great deal of time talking to the eyewitnesses, talking to the folks who were inside the building yesterday when the shots rang out. keep in mind, we're talking about a few hundred folks. there's more cell phone videos.
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there's more images. there might even be surveillance video from either a nearby building or perhaps inside. so investigators, local investigators, at least, are going to spend the lion's share of their time doing that. right now police, again, searching what they believe is the suspect's home. not far from where i stand right now. this is where kerry sanders is standing by for us. kerry's been there for most of the morning as well. kerry, what have you learned? >> reporter: well, craig, we know that the authorities now have been at the home here for the better part of nine hours. this is the home where syed farook and his wife lived. there was quite a bit of activity here as it unfolded with the fbi, taking a look at the home, determining whether there was perhaps a booby trap inside before they would enter. the most important part about getting into the home is to see if there is an answer to the question as to why. we have a gentleman here who lives in the neighborhood.
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he's going to join me now. come on over, sir. there you go. your name is? >> don bell. >> reporter: now, don, you were here. so i want you to just sort of take me through what you saw and how it unfolded. >> i live across the street. i work at home. maybe a little bit before 4:00, i came down to get my mail. as i was doing that, i saw an officer drive up this street. he parked, blocking the northbound lanes. >> reporter: okay, you saw him come by. you know what's going on. you know what's happening? >> i'm totally aware of that. the officer got out of his car. he was carrying a rifle. you don't see police carrying rifles very often. he was casual. he didn't look particularly concerned. he was blocking traffic. but he had a rifle. he had a helmet on. obviously, i knew something was up. i had no idea what it was. i watched for a while. then some neighbors tried to get to the street. he yelled at them to get back. then i thought, hmm, something's happening. i'll just check out what's
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happ happening. i left my apartment. i went down there. i saw the armored vehicles and the massive police presence, had no idea that they were there. i don't know when they arrived. when i saw the officer block the stre street, northbound cars were still getting through. so they hadn't blocked that yet. >> reporter: were you concerned for your own safety? >> i wasn't really concerned about my safety. there was certainly so much police presence, i felt safe in that regard. i walked with some neighbors from a distance right across the street from the house. an officer eventually came over and told us that there could be an explosive device. >> reporter: so you backed off. >> so we all went to our apartments at that point. >> reporter: now, you saw those -- they're called bearcats, those armored vehicles, what did you seehear? >> later in the evening i came out and watched. one of those bearcats was pointing right at the apartment, perpendicular to the curb. the lights flooding the front of the apartment. eventually they called over the loudspeaker asking the occupants to come to the door. >> reporter: how did they do that? what it they say? >> they identified themselves as
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being with the fbi. they said the occupants of number 53 center street, come to the door. they might have given a little time limit. i can't remember for certain. nothing happened. eventually the bearcat got up on the curb, drove to the front door. they slowly just pushed that front door in. they backed up. they did it maybe a second time. very methodical. not very exciting, actually. they positioned themselves at the kitchen window, and they smashed in the kitchen window as well. then at that point i believe they sent in a little robot. i didn't see any people go in. i watched for about an hour. and then eventually went back to my apartment. >> reporter: so all of this unfolding. i've got to ask you, do you feel uncomfortable, uncertain right now? >> you know, i really don't. i don't know the motives, but the fact that they lived on my street doesn't really make me concerned about my safety, particularly. it doesn't seem like it was a random thing. so i'm not really concerned about my safety. >> reporter: all right. thank you so much.
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>> you're welcome. >> reporter: and of course, he says what so many people are wondering, which is, you know, they lived on his street, but he didn't know. and the question as to why. and that answer may come, interestingly, not from the investigation just here but the investigation in saudi arabia as well. and that, of course, is because the wife was from saudi arabia. we'll have more details from this scene. back to you, craig. >> reporter: kerry sanders for us outside the suspects' home there. kerry, thank you so much. again, 14 dead. 17 injured. we'll get an update on the condition of some of those injured in just a bit. but tamron, let's send it back to you in new york. >> we are hearing the president should be speaking in a minute. we know that he responded and reacted to the shooting while it was still playing out. he had a prescheduled interview with cbs. and at the time the president said this. the one thing we do know is that we have a pattern now of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in the world. the president yesterday saying we should never think this is something that just happens in the ordinary course of events
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because it doesn't happen with the same frequency in our country. we've heard from a number of gop candidates. let's listen to the president now. >> yesterday a tragedy occurred in san bernardino. as i said in the immediate aftermath, our first order of business is to send our thoughts and prayers to the families of those who have been killed and to pray for a speedy recovery for those who were injured during this terrible attack. i had a chance to speak with mayor davis of san bernardino, and i thanked law enforcement in that city for their timely and professional response. i indicated to mayor davis that the entire country is thinking about that community and thanked him and his office for the way that they've been able to manage an extraordinarily difficult
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situation with calm and clarity and very much appreciated the coordination that's been taking place between local law enforcement and the fbi investigators. at this stage, we do not yet know why this terrible event occurred. we do know that the two individuals who were killed were equipped with weapons and appeared to have access to additional weaponry at their homes. but we don't know why they did it. we don't know at this point the extent of their plans. we do not know their motivations. and i just received a briefing from fbi director comey as well
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as attorney general lynch indicating the course of their investigation. at this point, this is now an fbi investigation. that's been done in cooperation and consultation with local law enforcement. it is possible that this was terrorist related, but we don't know. it's also possible that this was workplace related. and until the fbi has been able to conduct what are going to be a large number of interviews, until we understand the nature of the workplace relationship between the individual and his superiors, because he worked with the organization where this terrible shooting took place, until all the social media and
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electronic information has been exploited, we're just not going to be able to answer those questions. but what i can assure the american people is we're going to get to the bottom of this and that we are going to be vigilant, as we always are, in getting the facts before we issue any decisive judgments in terms of how this occurred. more broadly, as i said yesterday, we see the prevalence of these kinds of mass shootings in this country. and i think so many americans sometimes feel as if there's nothing we can do about it. we are fortunate to have an extraordinary combination of law enforcement and intelligence and military that work every single day to keep us safe.
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but we can't just leave it to our professionals to deal with the problem of these kinds of horrible killings. we all have a part to play. and i do think that as the investigation moves forward, it's going to be important for all of us, including our legislatures, to see what we can do to make sure that when individuals decide that they want to do somebody harm, we'll make it a little harder for them to do it because right now it's just too easy. you know, we're going to have to, i think, search ourselves as a society to make sure that we can take basic steps that would make it harder, not impossible, but harder for individuals to get access to weapons.
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so there will be, i think, a press conference later today led by the attorney general, director comey will continue to brief not only the press but also members of congress about the course of the investigation. our expectation is is that this may take some time before we're able to sort it all through. there may be mixed motives involved in this, which makes the investigation more complicated. but rest assured that we will get to the bottom of this. and in the meantime, once again, i want to offer our deepest condolences to those who have been -- who have been affected by this terrible tragedy. and for those who have been injured, we hope that they get well quickly and that, you know, they're able to be back together with their families. okay. thank you very much, everybody. >> president obama speaking from the oval office. you see vice president joe
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biden -- president obama with vice president joe biden, members of his national cabinet. you see attorney general loretta lynch also in the oval office. the president indicating now the fbi is taking over the investigation in california as well as at this point the president establishing the possibility that this was a terror attack, saying that there could be mixed motives involved here. let me go to chuck todd, moderator of "meet the press." he is standing by. chuck, this is the prosecute es 12th public speech in response to a mass shooting. we've heard similar rhetoric from the president regarding access to guns, the battle with congress here, but now we're dealing with the possibility that this was a terror attack
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following what we've seen in paris and around the world. >> right, a combination with that mixed motive this combination that it was workplace and homegrown, you know. and i think that, look, i thought the president's statement was extremely appropriate, was pretty apolitical. you know, i know some people are always looking to see, is he trying to make a political statement about this? you know, this was the president putting out the facts. this is a complicated investigation. it's unlike any other mass shooting we've seen. it's not -- they can't find the motive. they haven't -- the digital footprint of these two individuals is not elicited the obvious motive in the way that we've been able to very quickly find out the motive of other mass shootings previously. so that's all missing in this. so i think the president was trying to strike that balance of acknowledging we don't know the motive yet, and maybe everybody needs to calm down. but even what he said on guns, he was very careful in what he
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said. the goal needs to be that for whatever reason somebody may decide to do this, we've got to make it a little bit harder. so to me, that was the president trying to come up with almost a -- as unifying of a way to tackle this as he could come up with. so i thought it was a -- i actually thought it was a very different reaction than we've seen from the president before. you could tell whatever briefing he got, i actually think it's pretty -- it was pretty troubling to him. you know, he came across as very troubled. >> and to your point, it may be, through your analysis, and i think many feel the same way, an apolitical speech, but you've watched the programs this morning. "morning joe," carly fiorina was on, the new speaker of the house, paul ryan. the very nature, the very mention of making it more difficult for some to get access to guns makes it a political statement in the eyes of those who are fiercely protective of the second amendment. >> of course. of course. and look, i've watched the political debate unfold over the
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last 24 hours, and frankly, it's been -- it is -- it's been frustrating. let me just put it that way. >> yeah. >> everybody has been looking to find a piece of this, of whatever happened, in san bernardino and make it fit into their own political world view and trying to grab and go with it, you know? if you think terrorism is the number one thing you've got to worry about, they're trying to go with that. if it's guns. and that -- that is not constructive. i mean, already i think we've seen -- we've seen too many -- too many political activists try too hard to wedge this into what they want it to be so that they can march forward on a political agenda. and i think this -- what i found interesting with the president is he was trying hard not to do that. >> absolutely. and we're almost, though, chuck, through years to the day that those children and their teachers were killed in sandy hook elementary school. and now when you look at the political landscape, and you do
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this every day -- >> yep. >> -- what is different? is there a possibility that people won't retreat to their political corners, as you've pointed out, that seems to be second nature on everything, but especially guns? in this case now that we know that there could be mixed motives involved. >> right. and why wouldn't there be -- why wouldn't -- why wouldn't anybody who's an elected official want to just say, you know what? let's do some basic fact finding here. let's do some congressional hearings, and let's tackle every aspect of a potential solution or public policy solution that may be out there or may not be out there. maybe it's on gun control. maybe it's on people being armed in different types of security in different facilities. whatever it is, our public policy leaders ought to want to have an open mind, ought to want to be conducting a fact-finding -- you know, that's what we would do if we had some problem that didn't -- that wasn't somehow touching an
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intractable political divide. and so that's the part of this that i find frustrating is where's the political leadership on capitol hill that says you know what? look, i'm not going to make a judgment. is it background checks? is it this or that? but you know what i do want to do? hold hearings, do fact finding and open up the idea that we're going to look at every aspect of this. and that's the part that we see a failure of political leadership on capitol hill on this. >> right. and i think when you bring up the very mention of a hearing in this political climate -- and we've seen several hearings -- that, then, turns into theatrics that frustrates the american people, and it is why congress has such a low polling. but to your point, there are facts to this story -- and i want to bring in pete williams, chuck. hopefully you can hang on. but pete has some latest developments coming in including now how this dynamic changes, pete, as we expected, the fbi to take over. >> it will change some, but the san bernardino authorities will still play a very large role in
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this. you know, it's just sort of who decides now what course the investigation will take. but in terms of actually people on the ground gathering facts, it's not going to change all that much in the short term. because the fbi and the police department and the sheriff's office have already been working very closely together on this. >> okay. let me ask you regarding -- >> we're learning a little bit more about this -- i'm sorry, i'm having a little trouble hearing you, tamron, i'm hearing myself and you at the same time. >> okay, pete, go ahead with what you've been able to obtain informationwise. >> okay. all right. so we've learned a little more about the couple. we know that syed farook was born in the united states that he was an american citizen born in illinois. and authorities say they've determined by going through travel records that he went to saudi arabia two years ago, but they now believe, or at least their working assumption is based on the timing that he went for the hajj, the muslim pilgrimage, and that while he
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was there, he met tashfeen malik who became his wife. she traveled back to the united states on what's known as a k-1 or fiancee visa and then became a naturalized citizen by virtue of her marriage to him. so they're both u.s. citizens. their other big question here is where did they get the weapons? california has a ban on what are commonly known as assault rifles. they had at least two and possibly more of those kinds of weapons. did they get them legally or not? the manufacturers make california-compliant versions of those that can't take more than ten rounds. that's kind of the defining feature. so did those weapons meet the california standard? did they violate it? they're trying to figure that out. and just how did they get them? and, of course, the big question which the president touched on, which is why did they do this? and that's what they're struggling with. >> and we're learning about just
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some of the events that played out, pete, in their day. but what -- as far as his wife being able to get into the country, his fiancee, under this visa you know the conversation that's existed regarding refugees, syrian and iraqi, and many people have said that some of these soft spots, if you will, in allowing people in our country is not the refugee programs but the visa programs, and a conversation we had after 9/11 as well. >> right. well, of course, the refugee question, those people that are coming here as refugees have to go through an entirely different process. this is not that kind of vetting. it's probably less rigorous than the vetting certainly for a refugee -- refugee vetting can take sometimes slopas long as ar and a half or two years. this is americans commonly going overseas, meeting someone, and then bringing them back to get married here or marrying them to bring back as their wives. but she did come in on a fiancee
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visa. that's how she got into the country. they don't show any other foreign travel by farook other than that one trip to saudi arabia. and his background, i know that we have reporters on the scene, but you've also uncovered details, i guess, regarding his turn more toward his faith. some of the witnesses who worked with him indicated that he started to become more religious. again, this did not connect dots on a motive, but we are uncovering at least some details on who this man is or was and his wife. >> some of his coworkers have said that he underwent what they called a personality change within the last six months, that he became a much more serious person. but what role that plays in all of this, i think, is one of the many things that they're trying to trace down. >> let me bring in michael balboni, terror expert, if we still have michael with us. are you there?
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okay, we don't have michael. is chuck todd still with us? >> i am. >> chuck, let's talk about the dynamic now, if this is, in fact, a terror incident here. the president leaving the door open as the possibility. the same rhetoric in a sense that we heard -- wording, i should say, from local law enforcement people there yesterday. what is the key question regarding, then some of the safety measures that need to be in place, whether it's this fiancee visa -- and again, we don't know, but now you have this component of a possible terror attack. how does that change the conversation? >> how does it change the conversation? i don't know if we want to go down that road, tamron. >> i understand. >> just yet. i think -- i think let's let all this play out. but i have -- i have very -- i have some fears of where this conversation goes, if this turns into being an american muslim, an american citizen, and the investigation comes out that this is a radicalized situation and all this stuff, i think the
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consequences on our politics could be very ugly and very negative. >> and to your point -- >> and i'll just leave it at that. >> and i think everyone feels that way. it is that natural fear when you look at some of the headlines right now. one of the most visited papers in the world, their headline is "muslim couple." and we know that people will have this visceral reaction in some way to that. but when you have the president of the united states saying that it is possible, as difficult as it is and our responsibility is to report the facts the possibility of it being that is now on the table while this investigation proceeds. >> that's right. and it's -- it's just going to -- it's just going to raise the issue of islamophobia again. i mean, let's -- you know, that -- that's why it's a little too soon to have that conversation because it may not end well. >> but we do know that the
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attack in colorado springs at the planned parenthood, you had mike huckabee, gop candidate, and others refer to it as domestic terrorism. people often have a different reaction when it is a, quote, domestic terror incident, oklahoma, versus the politicians, and that's what i should say. you're absolutely right. >> politicians do because, you know, it's interesting -- and you know, you haven't seen that -- we had a focus group a grum of weeks ago, and one of the participants was asked, and they were asked if they worry about terrorism. and the woman brought up on her own, well, these mass shootings are a form of terrorism. >> right. >> so i think -- i think the public reacts differently. >> we have not called it that. >> i think the public react s differently. >> and even the media we still call mass shootings, colorado, aurora, mass shootings. columbine was not called at that time domestic terrorism. it is a change in wording not only from the politicians but quite honestly what we do as
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journalists. >> right. well, i mean, you know, the definition of being -- of terrorism is terrorizing a group of people. guess what people are feeling terrorized. >> absolutely. >> you know, you don't have the uptick in background checks for people to go and buy gun ifs people weren't fearful. i think there are a lot of anecdotal evidence of pointing to signs that a lot of americans are feeling insecure for various reasons. >> let's talk about -- and i know you've got to get going, but i do want your analysis. you've got two fronts here. this morning carly fiorina and paul ryan as well on msnbc saying there are laws on the books that are not being pursued, that they believe that currently there are laws in place, that if the department of justice and prosecutors pursue these laws and these criminals, we perhaps would not be where we are. >> you know, that's -- that's a standard -- that's been a standard way that some that have wanted to not tackle more gun-control ideas will go and say hey, there's a lot -- and look, california, pete just
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pointed out, california is a state that has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the country. and that's why i think before we even enter in this debate, we're going to want to know the facts. how did they get all those weapons? did they purchase all of them legally? were they in california? were they not? you know, the argument that gun-control advocates make is, okay, yes, there are strict laws in a chicago. there are strict laws in a california, but there are not strict laws in a wisconsin, and isn't that far from chicago. there aren't strict laws in an arizona that is bordering on a state in california. so the point being, you know, unless you deal with this on national basis, then actually the local laws are pointless but we do need to get the facts. >> we do. and on the other side, we know democrats running for president, one of the most contentious moments between hillary clinton and bernie sanders on that side of the aisle was over guns. >> right. and this is where hillary clinton, going further than bernie sanders wanted to go on guns, and obviously sanders
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keeps talking about he is from a rural state and look, there is a rural/urban divide on gun issues. there always has been. that's the real divide, the divide that's been there for decades. it's turned into a red/blue divide because our politics have self-sorted, but it is rural versus urban mindset when it comes to access to guns. >> all right, chuck todd, thank you very much for sticking around for the breaking news. at the top of the hour, we saw new reaction from the president. we'll have much more coming up live from san bernardino. new information on those who were injured and, of course, the details coming in on the two individuals killed in that gun battle and responsible for that massacre. we'll be right back. that can change the way you live for years to come. how can you help? by giving a little more, to yourself. i am running for my future. people sometimes forget to help themselves. the cause is retirement, and today thousands of people came to race for retirement and pledge to save an additional one percent of their income. if we all do that we can all win.
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investigation, again, that news conference set to start here in about 30 minutes. at each of these news conferences, we've learned a little bit more about what happened here and perhaps some of the motivations. we expect that to be the same with this news conference that will start here at the top of the hour. we are also learning more about the victims, the victims who are still being treated at area hospitals. trymaine lee is standing by outside one of those area hospitals with an update on the victims. trymaine, what do you have? >> reporter: that's right. like so many communities before, this community will be trying to heal. and some of that healing will take place behind me at the loma linda hospital where there are still five of the 17 victims are right there in the hospital. two are listed in critical condition. three are in stable. but as we know the physical injuries, the physical wounds, that's just part of it. now, this hospital is a level 1 trauma center. so they've dealt with their fair share of gang and gun violence and physical trauma.
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but more than just the physical wounds, there is an emotional healing that needs to take place. now, not long ago, one of the hospital officials kind of spoke to just that. let's take a listen. >> our staff have trained. they've prepared. but there's nothing that you can do, really, to prepare for an event like yesterday with the emotional trauma that comes along with that, particularly in the context of you don't know what's coming next. you don't know what the next event will be. and it's as much as anything the uncertainty of trying to react to that. >> reporter: that's right, craig. the uncertainty of not just yesterday but how this community moves forward. craig? >> reporter: trymaine lee for us outside loma linda hospital not too far from here. trymaine, thank you, sir. damian mine, by the way, and i may not be pronouncing that last name properly, m-i-e-n, damian, we have spent so much of our
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morning talking about the two suspects. we are starting to learn just a little bit more about the victims. he is the first victim to be officially identified. again, damian mein, one of the 14 who lost his life not far behind me here yesterday. at our news conference, tamron, our hope is that we learn more about some of the other victims here as well. >> yes, that certainly should be the focus today as well, craig. and let me now bring in with us california congresswoman loretta lynch. she represents the 46th district in nearby orange county, also senior member of the house homeland security committee since its inception after the 9/11 attacks. congresswoman, thank you so much for your time today. >> thank you so much. loretta sanchez, by the way. you said loretta lynch, thinking of our attorney general. >> who was with the president at the top of the hour when he made his comments. congresswoman sanchez, let me get your initial reaction to what we're hearing as this investigation continues. >> well, first of all, of course, i'm devastated. i mean, i can imagine the
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families are trying to understand what happened yesterday. the whole community here in san bernardino, as was mentioned before, is really a close community. it's had its problems. it's gone through really difficult times with the housing crisis and the recession of recent times, was just getting back on its feet. i had visited it several times in the last year. and so it's just got to be devastating for them, for the families, for community. but one of the positive things about this is we just saw the loma linda hospital. of course, one of our gems here in california, trauma center, ready to receive these wounded. and i believe really going to do a great job in saving them. >> we certainly know that those first responders as well as the hospital staff caring for those injured are important, but we also note, congresswoman, the conversation regarding guns. this morning we had house speaker paul ryan on. i just want to play a little bit of what he said and get your reaction.
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>> we have lots of laws on the books, and we are not doing a good enough of a job of enforcing those laws. and then when we see huge, gaping holes in our approach to preventing these things like mental health, we need to fix that. so yes, we need a comprehensive view. and one thing we have already learned is the mental health issues. and so that is something. and then now we're finding out, you know, unfortunately with what we saw with paris, is there are inspired events. there are terrorist-connected events, and so there's lots of work to do, and we're doing that. >> so the speaker believes this is an issue of enforcement and focus on mental health. your reaction. >> well, first of all, when the speaker says we're doing so much, the reality is that congress has been trying to get up some of these issues for the last five years. and we haven't been able to. we let the assault weapons ban which was led by our senator dianne feinstein, we let that lapse. you know, multiautomatic round weapons are easily available, even though not in california,
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but they can cross the state line, as you know. the second thing is we really haven't done that much about mental health. i've been working with my colleague, grace napolitano out of the los angeles area to try to get mental health services more available for people. and it hasn't happened. and then lastly, there are a lot of loopholes in our current laws. so we can ask people to be registered. we can have waiting periods. a lot of the law-abiding gun purveyors, sellers that sit in our districts, they are following those. but then we have this thing called gun shows which come into town, sell everything, don't do these background checks. and there are way too many problems in trying to get this done. and the congress has a responsibility to close those loopholes and make it safer for americans. >> going back to what we all
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heard after newtown, that it had changed everything, and yet nothing seemed to change, you have a "d" rating with the nra indicating, of course, progun-control voting record, a very strong one. here we are asking if there is a middle in this argument or simply is there a larger conversation, a harder push that should be made perhaps by people who stand with you and have a "d" rating? >> well, i am actually yesterday, i read that a colleague of mine, a republican from arkansas, a former colleague, jay dickey, who i know well, who had led the effort in not allowing our cdc, our disease control centers, to really take a look at what is it? you know, is this a disease? is this a mental health issue? what is it that provokes people to do these types of mass
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killings? he had actually led a bill that said they wouldn't be able to steady it. so yesterday i was pleased to see that he said, i was wrong. we really need to get to the bottom of this. so when we see people who have been so far on this issue against any type of look at it, against any type of regulation, maybe it is time. maybe our country has seen enough. maybe the congresspeople can come together and say you know what? everything has to be on the table, and we have to methodically take a look at this and see how we prevent this in the future. i am not advocating that we eliminate all guns. i believe that there are rights that gun holders have. i just know that even in the first amendment like freedom of speech, it is regulated. you can't scream "fire" in a theater. you can be sued for libel against people. and so we need to ensure that we regulate correctly. >> congresswoman sanchez, thank
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these news conferences, we've been getting a lot of information over the past 18 hours or so as this thing has unfolded, every time they come to the microphone, we learn a little bit more. we expect that to be the case this time as well, tamron. >> craig, thank you. at the top of the hour, president obama addressed the investigation and the shooting. here's more of what he said. >> what i can assure the american people is we're going to get to the bottom of this and that we are going to be vigilant, as we always are, in getting the facts before we issue any decisive judgments in terms of how this occurred. as i said yesterday, we see the prevalence of these kinds of mass shootings in this country. and i think so many americans sometimes feel as if there's nothing we can do about it. >> by the numbers, this is now the 355th mass shooting in which
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at least four people were shot this year. the sixth one in a week. and now a live look at the republican jewish coalition presidential forum. that's happening in washington, d.c., where 2016 gop contenders. front-runner donald trump expected to take the stage. you see governor kasich taking the stage right now. ted cruz reacted to the mass shooting in california. here's what senator cruz said. >> our prayers are with the families of those who were murdered, of those who were shot. and all of us are deeply concerned that this is yet another manifestation of terrorism. radical islamic terrorism here at home. >> msnbc's steve kornacki is here with a look at the reaction. y obviously, we do not know if this is a situation where these individuals were radicalized. it is a possibility as stated by the president. we are watching what candidates on both sides are saying.
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>> you see that in that comment by ted cruz, we are watching the political discussion shift as we learn more. again, we don't know for sure yet what the motives are. we don't know a lot of the details. but based on some of the new information that's been learned since these shootings happened yesterday, we have seen the political conversation shift. i'll show you what i mean. this is from yesterday. this is when news first broke that there had been a mass shooting out in california. the three democratic candidates for president, hillary clinton, bernie sanders, martin o'malley, they were all very quick to take to twitter to talk about gun violence, to talk about gun control, the need for new gun laws. this also hours after that, the "new york daily news," one of the largest newspapers in the country, they talked about some of those comments from republicans. a lot of republicans who didn't want to get into the gun issue but wanted to talk about offering prayers, offering thoughts. the "daily news" saying god isn't fixing this, basically saying we need some kind of action on the gun front and not just prayers. so yesterday and last night, you had democrats, you had
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gun-control activists talking about we have a problem here. the republicans won't talk about specific solutions to the gun problem. but then as more has come out about the circumstances about these individuals, about these killers, about their level of preparation, about what they were equipped with, the conversation, as i say, starting to shift. and today at that republican jewish coalition event in washington, you had ted cruz basically explicitly saying that this is terrorism, that this is paris coming to america. you also had lindsey graham speaking at the event. he was asked afterwards about this idea that republicans should be talking about gun control. he instead talked about terrorism. this is what he said. >> it's not a gun-control issue. this is not about gun control. if you think that shooting in california is about gun control, then you don't understand what's going on in the world. this is about two people who have bought into an ideology that's just absolutely insane in nature and has to be combatted. >> and tamron, again, there may be no better illustration of this kind of shift we're talking about. this is the "new york post."
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this is the more conservative of the big tabloids ear s here i york. initially "murder mission." overnight as they earn willed more about this, they changed they now went with muslim killers. you have that political divide in this country and each side is reacting very differently. one stressing terrorism right now. one stressing guns more. >> steve, thank you very much. yesterday's shooting was about three hours away from the site of another deadly mass shooting in california. in may of last year, six people were killed and more than a dozen were injured when 22-year-old elliott roger went on what police described as a killing spree near the uc santa barbara campus. after stabbing his roommates he opened fire on students with hundreds of rounds of ammunition. the father of one of the victims, christopher martinez, made an impassioned plea about gun violence in our nation. >> i can't understand why we aren't doing more to prevent this kind of thing.
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here you got a guy who they knew, you know, i don't know whether it's the family or the police or who, but aren't we tired of this? isn't this just -- i mean, how can this go on? what are we thinking? >> christopher's father richard joins me now. he has since become an advocate for gun control. thank you for your time. yesterday in addition to the shooting that we are covering in san bernardino there was a mass shooting in savannah, georgia. four people shot, one person killed. we would not necessarily know that if you weren't in that local market, were it not for this shooting in san bernardino that brought the national attention to loss of life across the country with mass shooting. richard, what is your reaction to again, this headline? >> well, good morning.
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i'm horrified and devastated for the families and the victims of this tragedy. i find two things particularly frustrating. one is the idea that it's too soon to start talking about solutions to gun violence. it's too late to start talking about solutions to gun violence for these people. it wasn't soon enough for these people. the thing is, i have heard people say that there's no change to our nation's laws that can make us safer and yet common sense changes to laws involving driving, flying and buying food have made us safer, and gun violence is no different. there are common sense measures that we can undertake to make us safer. there's not one single solution that will end all gun violence. but we know that there are solutions out there. and universal background checks
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on all gun sales is something that's supported by the vast majority of americans, including the vast majority of gun owners. >> right. >> the reason for that is it makes sense to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. does it work in every instance? no. but does it -- you know, here in california, the background check system does keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. is it 100%, no. but wearing seat belts is not 100% solution to people dying in motor vehicle accidents either. but the fact that they're not 100% successful does not mean we should stop wearing seat belts. we need to take a common sense approach to gun violence in this country and we need moments of silence, condolences and prayers are not enough from congress. congress has done nothing to address the problem of gun violence in america. we need to do more. >> richard, in doing more, what do you see as an immediate solution? we speak in general terms but
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you have others who say look, california's law is some of the strictest. they point out chicago, some of the strictest. when you are surrounded by states where you don't have those laws in place it does make it more easily available to those who might do harm with gun violence. what would you propose as an immediate change? >> first of all, there's no -- there's no -- i would propose immediate universal background checks on all gun sales. is that going to solve every single instance of gun violence? no. but we know from experience that states that have stronger background checks, there's less gun violence. now, is the -- are the background check systems in california perfect, no. there's no, you know, we have made owning a car safer, flying an airplane safer, we have made buying food safer. do we still have problems in each of those areas, yes.
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and in each of those instances, there wasn't one single solution to those problems but over time, we have enacted, changed our laws in this country, common sense changes that have made all of those things safer. we can do the same thing with gun violence. >> richard martinez, thank you for joining us. we greatly appreciate it today. thank you. we are expecting a news conference from police in san bernardino in the next hour. let me go quickly to kerry sanders with the latest in redlands, california, where police are still searching the home of the two shooters. what do you see there? >> reporter: well, it's actually, must be a lot of activity inside because we are not seeing much activity outside. you can see the vehicle with the doors open. the fbi along with the police went into that vehicle and searched that but that was under cover of darkness last night. i see a little bit of movement just beyond there. that may be federal officials or investigators who are working.
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as you see the orange cones a little to the right here, those orange cones lead to apartment number 53. residents here say that when the armored vehicles, the baearcats were parked outside last night, they announced on the radio, on the bullhorn, this is the fbi, occupants of apartment 53, open the door, and nobody did, they eventually knocked the door down. they took out a window. now we are waiting to find out what if anything they found inside that could answer the question as to why the attack. >> kerry sanders, thank you very much live in redlands. this does it for this hour of msnbc. andrea mitchell continues our coverage as we await an update from police in san bernardino, california. constipated? trust number one doctor recommended dulcolax
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>> i'm really scared for my sister. >> reporter: did she tell you what happened inside? >> she just said there was a shooting, she's scared, she's hiding in the closet. >> based upon what we have seen and based upon how they were equipped there had to have been some degree of planning that went into this. we have not ruled out terrorism. >> i cannot express how sad i am. why would he do something like this? i have absolutely no idea. i'm in shock myself. >> it is possible that this was terrorist related but we don't know. it's also possible that this was workplace related. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. a nation in shock. the fbi is now leading the investigation, trying to find the motive behind the deadliest mass shooting since newtown back in 2012. we are awaiting an update from officials in california this hour. police are not ruling out terrorism at this time. 14 people are dead, 17 wounded. some very seriously. after a shooting

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