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good morning, i'm chris jansing in san bernardino, california where it is 5:00 p.m. we have reports that isis on its official radiation says the shooters here were two of its followers. and americans are waking up with a look at the woman who with her husband -- exactly who she is and the extent of her role in the attacks, to the fbi is now in charge of this investigation and is now looking into it as an act of terrorism. the "new york times" running an editorial in favor of gun reform on its front page today, it's
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the first time they have displayed it's own opinion so debate over what should be done about future mass shootings. tashfeen malik, the 27-year-old pakistani citizen entered this country on a fiance visa before marrying syed farook. with wire services reporting that isis is saying it's followers carried out the attacks on that group's official radio station. investigators are searching for a motivmotive. lawyers for syed farook's family said that there were never any signs that malik had been radicalized. >> she was a very private person, she kept herself pretty well isolated and was very conservative. >> the brothers never interacted
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with her, they have never seen her face because she did wear a burqa. >> i spoke with syed farook's sister yesterday about the couple she knew. who were to the people you knew? >> i mean my brother, the guy that i grew up with, the shy, introvert, kept to himself, quiet. he grew up, got married, and his wife was just recently here. she was only here for two years, we didn't know her thattal well. >> reporte . we'll have more on that in a bit. but the fbi is taking over the investigation from local law enforcement, it is a federal terror investigation. >> and the reason for that is the that the investigation so far as developed indications of radicalization by the killers and of a potential inspiration by foreign terrorist organizations. >> fbi director james comey also
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said there's no indication they're part of a larger network or cell. morgan ratford joins us from outside the suspect's home in nearby redlands, california in the same streets the suspects walked. wh what's the latest on any possible motive? >> specifically did malik come here radicalize her husband. i'm standing here in front of their home and this is a quiet, unassuming neighborhood, but inside that home, a completely different story. this is an entire bomb making factory, there were weapons and munitions inside. investigators also said yesterday they found discarded cell phones just up the street and they also found damaged lap tops as if the suspects were trying to erase their digital footprints. there are a lot of questions about who this couple was.
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28-year-old syed farook was shy, introverted, worked for the county health departments for five years, made about $50,000 a year. investigators said he was made fun by his colleagues about his beard. that's when he met his wife, tashfeen malik, she was born the in pakistan and then went to saudi arabia to study, and then went back to pakistan and came to the united states on a fiance visa. >> nbc's morgan ratford, thank you for that update. fbi director comey said that the fbi is now going through every single detail of this couple's lives. >> it doesn't make sense for even those who do this for a living, that's why we're running
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down hundreds of leads and spending tremendous amounts of time trying to understand the electronic record of these two killers. >> here with the latest on the investigation is fbi director mccoy. he said they have got every resource-pointed in that direction. >> hundreds of people right now combing through these two people's lives and one of the big things they're looking at is that electronic record that you heard him talk with about there. they're hoping the to glean what they call golden nuggets of information. we know they have computer hard drives from the house, we know they have hard drives from farook's office. and there were those two cell phones from the site that they hope they can get data off of. all the evidence points to these two people acted independently. >> we have no indication that these killers are part of an
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organized larger group or form part of a cell. there's no indication that they are part of a network. >> and we mentioned a are report, that wording is important, their followers carried out that attack, and that lines up with what the fbi is saying, that these two were followers of isis but were not coordinating isis. >> there's a concern what a loan wolf or someone who was acting on their own and in this case unusually a couple would pull off something like this. >> along those lines, you said the concern about those loan wolves, in this case -- it's very hard to keep track of these terror cells when they're acting
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alone and as far as we know not co-order mating with cells that the fbi is keeping track of. so how did a couple with a 6-month-old baby who seemed to be living the american dream become has murderers. i sat down with syed farook's sister saira khan to get some answers. who have these last few days been like? >> a bad dream, like a nightmare. it's very hard to go back to any normal life. >> how did you find out that your brother and sister-in-law were part of this. >> i found out on the news, until that i thought he was missing or held up somewhere. >> what goes through your mind? >> shock, disbelief, they have the wrong person, how could it be them, i mean so many things. >> now just today the fbi says
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this is a terrorism investigation which means your brother and his wife are considered terrorists. can you wrap your head around that? >> no, not at all. i mean, i had absolutely no idea that they were involved with anything like that or that they were even capable of doing something like that. >> who were the people you knew? >> i mean my brother, the guy that i grew up with, the shy introvert, kept to myself, quiet, a kid that grew up and got married and his wife was recently here, she was only here for two years, we didn't really know her that well, she came there saudi, we were barely trying to get to know her, because she was quiet and shy like him. >> when you say he was quiet, shy, an introvert, did he seem like he was looking for something in his life? >> no, before he got married, yeah, he was looking for a wife, but after that, he seemed happy with his i life. >> and you really didn't know
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much about her? >> no, besides her -- i didn't even know her last name, i just found out through media. >> you didn't even know her last name? >> no. >> didn't that strike you as odd? >> because when you get married, you usually change your last name to whatever last name is going to be for the husband so i assumed that was her last name. i didn't know she hadn't changed that. >> did you ever see anything about him or her that suggested that they could be radicalized? >> no. >> tell me about their lives. did you spend time at their home in redlands? >> we went over about once a month to see their baby and to see my mom and her baish, and we would talk, but there wasn't much we had in common her being raised somewhere else and me being raised here. >> was he happy with her?
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>> he was very happy with her. >> and the baby, this is the party that a lot of people can't understand, that you can have a 6-month-old baby, drop the baby off with your mother, right? and then go and do this horrific shooting spree. who was she like with the baby? >> they were great. my brother used to play with her a lot. he would laugh when he entered the room. she would smile every time she would see her mother. that's the big thing for a mom to leave a nursing child. >> what could have happened here. what has occupied every waking moment you have had since you found out? what happened? >> i don't know. i wish i knew, like what happened, i wish i could ask them, you know, but they're not
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here and it's just everything is left up to the investigation and whatever we are finding out is through media. >> what was their relationship like? i mean obviously he grew up here, she grew up there. did they seem to have any -- the did she seem to have any trouble adjusting? >> at the beginning initially she did, because she didn't speak english, she had a little bit of trouble, but eventually she learned a little bit and we started communicating with her in our language. but besides the language barrier, not so much. she seemed to be fine, she just liked being home a lot. >> traditional wife, you would say? >> pretty much, you know. stay at home, take care of the baby, for the majority of their marriage, she was pregnant for nine months so she was not feeling well and she was on bedrest. >> did she have a job or career, do you know? because apparently there have been reports she was trained as a pharmacist. >> i know she had a degree in
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pharmacy, from where, i don't know about either, but trained as a pharmacist, i don't have knowledge on that. >> so when you would watch them as a family, nothing ever set off any kind of alarm bells, no signals that something was amiss? >> no, just like-there's nothing that would say alarming bells like hey, there's something wrong with me, you know? >> joining us now, malcolm nance, a former counter terrorism intelligence officer and now the executive director of the terror asymmetric -- i think we just heard from saira is really what con founds so many people. there is no one who we have talk odd to who has suggested in any way that they were anything but a happy couple, a quiet couple
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loved their child, they were living the american dream. what do you make of that? >> it's quite possible that all of this is true, but they were still at the same time planning to become terrorists. there is the ideology a concept to remove yourself from the land of the unbeliever and come to the land of the believer. most of the time that's going to the caliphate of iraq and syria. you can actually perform this mental trick where you are in your head. it appears their home and this bomb factory is the place they emigrated so, but done completely without their family that's also a component of this ideology, they cut away from their family and they don't let them know. >> one of the things that was said yesterday, and i'm quoting, a lot of evidence in this case doesn't quite make sense.
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besides the personalities, that again are so deeply troubling that makes so many people uneasy that this could be the person next door. what else do you think in this doesn't make sense in the more traditional way of what we know about people who are radicalized? >> the only thing that i think that is absolutely confusing to me is the handling of the child. i have seen cases, i have spoken to terrorists in iraq, afghanistan and sub saharan africa where they kill their family members, where they have actually taken their child with them on a suicide attack. we had an incident in iraq where the child was the bomb. but i have never seen an incident where they have abandoned their family to go out and carry out a jihadist action, it's actually very baffling. >> is there anything you think that investigators can learn about what happened from talking to family or friends or is this purely a technical forensic
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investigation, looking at those cell phones, looking at those computers, looking at what they did when they traveled overseas and she in her case when they lived overseas? >> the ideology of this apocalyptic cult is to cut yourself completely off from your family or not to allow your family to know what was going on. when we had the underwear bomber who came from nigeria, his father had to go to the cia to say that i think my son's been radicalized, he doesn't communicate with us anymore. but they did it in.
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>> the other thing that struck me, is that he seemed to be fining with his job, they liked him, his co-workers, they speak very highly of him. they gave presents, they gave essentially a shower for the baby. so why go back to the workplace? >> that's another very interesting component. if you're going to carry out a terrorist action in the name of whatever group's ideology that you espouse, you would think that you would -- we have this saying in counter terrorism, you're going to do the terminator factor, you're going to go to the los angeles chief of police headquarters and you're going to do it in a way that you are actually honored amongst the jihadist global community. this is where it seems like a case of workplace violence. whatever he was planning, he had something to settle in that building first, before he would go out and rearm an restrike in
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looers here's what we know right now about the holiday party that -- the fbi confirming that think are investigating the shooting as an act of terrorism with many new questions being raised this morning about this woman, tashfeen malik, specifically, how did she go from housewife to killer? joining us now is shaun henry,
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former assistant director of the fbi. shaun, good to see you this morning. and they're talking about that the fbi is not part of a cell, they're not part of a larger group. so if this is a case of self radicalization, how does one self radicalize? >> i hear the family members talk about her being a housewife, and i don't know many housewives that are carrying out assault rifling and killing people like this. when we talk about radicalization, there's multiple ways that this occurred, it starts by someone feeling like they're disenfranchised and they're looking for something higher, they might have some moderate religious beliefs, but they start to pick up on this jihadi rhetoric about the caliphate and the nonbelievers and as this violent behavior starts to grow and they start to hear this constant barrage of
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this message, really moves them to the point where they become operational which is what we see here. there are a lot of people that are becoming radicalized that the fbi has had under surveillance, they continue to investigate. and the fbi doesn't have the resources to cover can all those people. it's something that we need to be thinking about here in the united states. >> the female in this obviously has come over from pakistan and saudi arabia at one point, she lived in an area in pakistan that apparently is known for jihadis, in this case obviously some people are suggesting she may have been the one who rad c klized him. do you think she came to this country with the intent of doing that? >> i listen to again the family members talk about farook and what his mental state was, seemed to be a regular guy, low
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key, and that when he was searching for a wife and he went overseas, i think that that is absolutely a line -- speculation another this point, but it's absolutely going to be something that they have got to inquire about and pursue. we have heard about this fiance visa and i know the u.s. government has some concerns in that program. there's a high percentage of fraud and that is again another avenue potentially from people who want to do harm here to pursue. so we need to be looking at that in large measure. >> shaun henry, always good to the see you, thanks so much. and still ahead, as we continue to san bernardino. the debate over guns in america arrives at a place where it's never been before. and a woman who represents new town, connecticut, what she
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of consequence, was just the most basic restrictions on weapons of mass killings. the killings the in san bernardino has -- to reform them. white house press secretary josh earnest said yesterday said to the president may turn to executive action once again to bring about, quote, common sense gun safe eity policies. that comes at the end of the week in which senate republicans -- expand background checks and close loopholes for people that may be on the fbi terror watch list mott to be able to buy guns and explosives. >> on the floor of the house, we have three vote this is week, three votes in which again, the fear of the gun lobby led sane
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patriotic americans, my colleagues, refused to volt to close the terrorist watch loophole. >> congresswoman elizabeth espy, democratic who was eelected just before the new town tragedy. i have to ask your response to republicans who argue that members of the ju mental health reform and gun laws that are already on the books is the solution to the crisis that many people feel we're facing. >> good to be with you this morning, chris, that's simply not true. the back grounds checks law has worked to stop 2 million purchases of guns in the last 20 years. we have 2,000 americans on the terror watch list who have legally been permitted to buy guns, that makes no sense, frankly it is insane. it makes no sense whatsoever when we are fighting terrorists to have this loophole for
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suspected terrorists to be able to purchase guns. our laws are not strong enough, and they need to close these loopholes and includes internet sales, two of the weapons were purchased by third parties. and we have trafficking and that is about guns being bought across state lines, here in connecticut, we have passed strict laws, but frankly someone can go right across the line, buy guns and bring them into our state and kill people. >> you know what the argument is on the other side that those laws do nothing but keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, because criminals will always find ways to get them and they'll point to southern california where there are some of the strongest gun laws in the country, and they have a history of mass shootings, five last year, five in 2013, seven more in oakland, eight in seal beach.
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so gun rights advocates say that gun control measures don't work. how do you respond? >> first, if they really don't think it works, do they think that 30,000 americans dying from guns every year is okay? do they think that is normal? do they think that is acceptable? if they don't, and i don't think it is, when why aren't they supporting us in overturning the dickey rights that prevents having the centers for disease control actually study gun violence as a public health matter and allow us the resources to address this. i want them to get on board this next week and support legislation and funding for the centers of disease control, if they don't believe this really works, but beyond that, we actually have evidence that it does work. johns hopkins did a study of missouri and connecticut when they changed their gun laws and it turned out gun deaths dropped. and it may not be for every mass
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tashfeen mal tashfeen malik who with her husband carried out the terrorism attack on san bernardino. stephan stephanie, good morning, what's the latest from there? >> reporter: tashfeen malik went through a rigorous process to get into this county there to get that fiance visa, she applied and got a green card. when she was radicalized when did it happen and is there anything to indicate there's something that authorities missed. there's new questions about who tashfeen malik was. her family describes her as a typical housewife who spent most of her time at this apartment. she spoke some broken english. a conservative muslim, she prayed fife times a day and chose not to drive.
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>> she grew up in pakistan, at about 18 to 20 years of age, she moved over to saudi arabia. >> reporter: it's believed farook met malik in saudi arabia and traveled to saudi arabia to mary. they barely talked about her past. >> we're barely starting to get to know her, because she was quiet and shy like him. >> reporter: to get into the u.s., the state department granted malik a kk1 visa. >> you have to establish the boneified married. >> the couple married within 9 0 days of entering the u.s. malik was given a green card in 2015. s just a few of the items the fbi removed from farook and malik 's home on thursday. items investigators will m
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meticulously review to learn more about to the mother and wife turned killer. >> lawyers for the family say malik was not actually alone in the house during the day when her husband wept to work, that the grandmother actually lived here with them, but she spent most of the time upstairs with the baby and they say she had no idea what couple was planning. >> stephanie gosk, thank you. let's turn to amman with how this is impacting the presidential campaign. >> reporter: the headline making news this morning is ted cruz's rally at a gun rally in iowa fired up the crowd with a forceful defense of gun rights, take a looks at this. liberal democrats think it is insensitive to celebrate our constitutional rights in the wake of a terrorist attack, it
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is these constitutional rights that keep us safe. you don't stop bad guys. by taking away our guns, you stop bad using our guns. >> reporter: and donald trump called for an amendment of the second amendment but was interrupted by a barrage of protesters at least 10 different times. >> that's number four. okay. i think you came back. i think you came back. don't worry about them, we'll do this quick. i don't want it. you know, the shame is that it's one person. and the dishonest media, they
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are dishonest, you don't believe that, do you? >> joining us now is nbc's campaign embed who's in spencer iowa where trump will speak just a few hours from now. there's been a lot of talk on this since is the san bernardino shooting, what are you hearing from the candidates on this particular issue of gun rights? >> reporter: it's absolutely true that terrorism has been a focal point in the past few days here this iowa and from all the candidates, but it was most apparent yesterday as you pointed out with ted cruz when he held this event in johnson, iowa at a shooting range that was a celebration of the second amendment where he said that he thinks that bad guys, the only way to stop them is by having good guys with our guns fighting them. and that could not be more different than what hillary clinton was saying in the same state just few miles away.
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she called for a bill that would prevent terrorists on no fly lists from purchasing guns and she said if you're too dangerous to fly, you're too dangerous to buy a gun. but to your point, i'm here in spencer, iowa, and all eyes are on trump who is the gop front runner, according to that new poll that came out. it's not that he is so clearly in front of the horserace, but also that republicans and primary voters believe that he is the best person to serve the country when it is regarding foreign policy and isis. and you can be sure that both will be a factor at his speech today. last night, as he pointed out, he had some trouble with protesters and he was also feeling -- but he was able to make the point like ted cruz in a way that more americans with guns is better. but this will be his sixth day on the campaign trail and we'll see what socomes this time in
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spencer, iowa. >> nbc embed in spencer, iowa. for more on the impact of the shooting is the politics editor for the source magazine. jason, thank you so much for joining us, in that last segment you sum it up pretty well, you hear what the democrats are saying about gun control, and you hear what the republicans are saying, how do you advance this question debate forward, when there's clearly no compromise. >> if you have somebody who's honest enough to mention the fact that these two issues overlap, that the idea that you can conduct mass acts of terrorism by using easy access to guns as they probably saw that with dylan roof this summer. there is a conversation to be had, i just don't think anyone
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is interested in having that conversation right now. >> and one pen who's benefiting from these tragedies is donald trump. i want to play the sound bite so there's no confusion about exactly what he said. >> it seems that every time there's a tragedy, my phone numbers do go up because they want strength. we have weak people, we have ineffective people, we have incompetent people. and sadly, every single time there's a tragedy, my poll numbers go up because they feel i am going to take care of them and they feel i they want strength. >> the polls seem to suggest that. there's a new cnn poll out there that says he is to the clear front runner and in the wake of tragedies like this. what do you make of all this? >> this is the most disturbing thing that i have seen in this campaign season. that trump continually leapt up in the polls because what he's doing, he's speaking to fears, in some respects he does a
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better job of that than president obama, trump is out there saying i know what it's like to be afraid. he's not saying, we got this handled. >> have you heard clear solutions? >> no, his solutions are to keep people from coming into this country. but what do you dot someone syed farook who was born here. so he can doesn't have any practical solutions or constitutional solutions, but he speaks to hear and a that's what people are responding to now. >> ben carson dropping a little bit, donald trump, you heard the two sound bites from the two candidates how do you think this plays out in iowa in the next couple of weeks? >> i think this race is going to boil down between ted cruz and marco rubio. because people want solutions,
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even if those solutions don't make sense. >> here's what hillary clinton had to seyay in iowa about gun control. >> last night the senate voted down a law to block suspected terrorists from buying guns. the bill was to prevent anybody on the no-fly list from buying a gun. i got to tell you. if you're too dangerous to fly in america, you are too dangerous to buy a gun in america, in my opinion. >> so, you know, again, obviously talking about gun control, terrorism, security, it seems now to become center stage in this campaign. >> and this completely. if you notice what's been happening in the polls, the people who are not able to talk about foreign policy are the people who are suffering, beng carson is falling back, bernie
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at this stage of the investigation here in san bernardino, another aspect of the aftermath of the shooting is what kind of reaction muslim
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americans are having in the wake of this attack. obvious ly a tragic time for this state, for this country, but what has to the reaction been like within your mosque? >> obviously when the news came down, we were shocked, saddened because the loss of life was in our own neighborhood, it really hit home both literally and figuratively. we have a mosque in san bernardino, it's been there for over 25 years, so our first duty was to reach out to the victims' families, and we felt the best way to do that would be to offer a prayer vigil. and we were able to invite members of the community to join us in this prayer vigil so we can offer prayers for the victims and their family. and that as muslims is our duty to pray to god in such difficult times. >> the sister of one of the
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terrorists said she feared a backlash against the muslim community. >> when this first happened, i had a conversation with first my wife and then my children, i said first our identity is muslims and our second identity is as americans. and we have been very fortunate that's grown up in a community that's been very tolerant. our neighbors in our mosque in chino, california, their law enforcement, they have been very support tiff from the very beginning. i haven't personally felt any backlash, i know it's out there. >> you're hearing political discourse out there, you're hearing to the fear that many americans are kneeli s ars are o you as a community both as muslims and as americans address that? >> the muslims follow our
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. thanks for staying with us this saturday morning, i'm chris jansing in san bernardino california where it is now 6:00 a.m. here's what we know about the investigation into wednesday's mass shooting. the fbi has taken control of the investigation and is looking into it as terrorism. and there's a report that isis on its online radio station claims two of its followers carried out to the attack. we're getting a look at tashfeen
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malik, the wife and mother who along with her husband opened fireco-workers at a holiday office party. law enforcement officials say malik posted a statement of support to the leader of it's is sis on facebook just about the time those shootings began. motives for his family say there were never any indications that malik had been radicalized. >> she had only come over here in 2013. she was a very private person, she kept herself pretty well isolated, she was pretty conservative. the brothers didn't interact with her and the brothers didn't see her face because she wore a burqa. >> so again, the big development over the last 24 hours is the fbi's announcement, right where i'm standing in fact, yesterday. that it is taking over the
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investigation from local law enforcement, that it is a federal terror investigation. >> and the reason for that is that the investigation so far has developed indications of radicalization by the killers and the potential inspiration by foreign terrorist organizations. >> fbi director james comey also said so far there's no indication they're part of a larger group, network or cell. we're joined from outside the suspect's home in nearby redlands, california. what are we hearing on any possible motive? >> that's right, chris, those are the questions investigators are asking this morning about that motive. i'm standing here right in front of the shooter's home. this is a quiet neighborhood, but inside this home, there was a bomb making factory inside this home, we're talking bomb
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making weapons, and neighbors here are completely stunned and neighbors say they can't believe the people who lived right next door and they didn't know. >> there r raises a lot of questions about who these people were. 28-year-old syed farook, people describe him as shy and introve introverted. yesterday, the lawyers said yesterday that he was made fun of by his co-workers for his beard. and that's when he met tashfeen malik, she lived in pakistan and moved to saudi arabia and then moved to chicago just last year. the two were here, the family saying they were a happy, normal
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couple under the radar, they did have a six-month-old daughter who's currently in child protective custody. and now for the latest on the investigation, i'm joined by nbc's blake mccoy, again standing right where the fbi local official was yesterday, and we heard then from james comey about what the national fbi is doing, what can you tell us? >> it was here that that handoff occurred from local authorities to federal authorities now that the fbi has taken over. we know hundreds of fbi agents overseas and here at home are working on this investigation. the one s overseas are looking into the travel history of that wife who we know was a pakistani citizen and they're also looking into the electronic foot prints of the two, trying to take those hard drives and whatever information they have been able to find and piecing together information. they do believe electronic
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information will yield the most facts about a possible motive. the fbi does believe that these two acted alone, not in concert with a larger terror cell. take a listen. >> so far we have no indication that these killers are part of an organized larger group or form part of a cell. there's no indication that they are part of a network. >> reporter: and chris, just to give you a sense of how on edge this community remains, a u.p.s. facility was evacuated overnight that's because one of the packages that the u.p.s. driver was to deliver had an address to the shooter's home, so he returned it to the facility they evacuated it and it turns out it was just clothing that was to be delivered to that home. >> a question why you would deliver clothing if you were going to mouchbnt an attack, something the fbi will be looking into. now to more of my in depth
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interview with syed's sister saira khan. i asked her what she knew about her brother and guns. >> it seems from what we hearing from investigators now, from what we have seen coming from that house, they had not only a large number of weapons and ammunition, but a virtual bomb vax try. factory. did you know that? the did you know that he had guns. >> i know that he had a gun, it was a handgun, and it was can kept in a lock box and i asked him why do you have it? and he said, oh, i need it for protection. and that's the only one that i was aware of. >> do you know if he knew how to use it? did he get any training? >> he said the gun was licenseded. besides that i don't know if he got training or what ov other - >> whether he went to a shooting
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range? >> i don't know. >> it was nothing again out of the ordinary. he went to hajj and he stayed there every minute. >> and then when he went to meet his wife, was he excited? was there a lot of anticipation? you said that was the one thing that needed -- >> again, he's such a quiet and shy person, from the outside, he looked normal. he even joked and said we should be excited about it. >> and he wasn't? >> he was a person that you could never read, because he was always quiet, kept to himself, same expression, smile occasionally here and there. it's kind of hard to guess what a person is thinking? >> and he was always like that? >> he was always like that. >> did you consider yourselves close? >> since he kept to himself, not
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really. >> what was your relationship like? and how did he fit into your family? >> we met once a month, had our kids come over and play, that was the extent of it. we didn't have conversations on the phone. we didn't really spend a lot of time talking about stuff and i felt like it was because i got married and i moved away. >> what was your relationship like with our you mom? >> like what about the relationship? >> normal? were they close? was she particularly excited about the baby? >> yes, she is, she's actually very torn about the baby, because the baby is the thing th that's the most important to her. she spends so much time with the baby and she's distraught that we don't have her and we don't know when we are going to get her and that obviously bugs her. >> do you know who's going to happen with the baby? >> at the moment, no. >> there was the other big thing that came out is that she, your
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sister-in-law posted on facebook about the same time as all of this started. an allegiance to isis, and there's been some suggestion that maybe she was in some way influencing your brother. >> and that's news to us too because we didn't know she had any kind of relations with isis or anything like that. if you met her, she was like the girl next door, sweet, innocent and kind. she was always smiling, nice to you, you would never ever guess that that girl would have ties to isis. >> did she ever express any unhappiness or did you have any conversations about being muslim in america or terrorism or did you talk about the paris attacks? >> no, not really not, at all. being a housewife, we don't talk about terrorist attacks and this and that in front of your kids. political agendas are not
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something we discuss in front of our kids. that's all mainly we talked about. >> how did she take to becoming a mom? >> she was very happy, she was very contempt,like i said, she nursed her, she used to dress her up, she would spend hours with her to take care of her. that was pretty much, you could say her job. >> so the idea that she and your brother could take that baby, drop off the baby knowing they would never come back. >> it's mind-boggling. i can't imagine. i was telling my husband that i could never leave my kids anywhere for a couple of hours, much less think about something like that. i don't know what prompted them to do something like this. >> do you think she could have influenced him to the extent to radicalize? >> i want to believe yes, because i want to believe that my brother is not capable of doing something like this, but then again, i don't know her that well to know what ties she
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had, what her past was, we don't know much about that, where she comes from, w. all that's coming out is news to us. >> did you ask her about growing up, what her life was like there. >> she hardly said much about her life. she said i had siblings, we grew up, we were a happy family. that's about it. >> she said they were a happy family? >> yes. >> do you think she was looking for a way to come into the united states? >> now that you said that, i haven't heard that, but yes, it's possible. >> would you deskreeb thcribe t devout muslims? >> they were muslims, they followed and practiced islam as we all do, they prayed five times a day, they read to the koran, they fasted in the month
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of ramadan. they were like any other muslim. >> what do you think in general, obviously they made the decision to go to his workplace. did he like his job? >> he didn't really talk much about his job, whenever we asked him, he said oh, it's work, that's all he said about his jobs. >> he never talked about his friends? >> not at all. >> so there was never anything said that his co-workers teased him about his beard? and that there was a confrontation about someone about islam? >> i heard that on the news, i had no idea. >> is he someone you think would try to defend islam or did he show any kind of temper to somebody who would get into even a verbal confrontation. >> he didn't have a temper, i would see him talking to people
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about islam, but always in a polite manner, that's why it's so shocking that he would do something like that. >> what do you think happened here? >> i don't even know how to answer. because to be honest, quite frankly we haven't even had time to process what's happened, you know? it's like it's one thing after another, we're hearing things about us, there's so much about us on the news now, my kids faces are all over the place, and as time goes on, we haven't even had a chance to sit down and talk about why he did it, what happened? what went through their minds? and then we have this thing about their daughter. >> a very big thing. a 6-month-old child. >> right. >> so what made you want to talk to me today? what did you want to stay? >> really whenever something like h this happens, there's a big backlash that happens on all muslims and i just want to say that not all of us are like
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that, you know? we're not all terrorists. we're all normal people and there's always someone who does something like this for whatever reason, it's not something that should have a negativism pae imn everybody else out there. >> are you afraid? >> i think i should be. >> as far as your brother r you grieving? are you in shock? are you angry with him? >> i'm angry with him and i'm in shock. >> what would you want people to know about you, about him, about your sister-in-law. what do you think is missing in all this reporting that's being done? >> i think everything is pretty much covered. i mean our side is being heard, we're being told about things about them that we didn't know, and i think there's too much already out there for me to be able to say anything else.
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>> let me ask you finally, have you cried about this? have you held your children close? have you even begun to figure out what your emotions are? >> i wish i could cry about it. but, you know, i have to keep it together for my kids. for my daughter, for my mother. >> that was sarah khan and joining us now malcolm nance a former counter terrorism officer and now the director of the terror asymmetric project. and as we look at saira khan and she paenints this mirror of a happy family, a common family, a 6-month-old baby, where does that lead investigators?
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>> well the investigators are probably going to draw a blank with to the family. because as we have spoken about before, the radicalization process, if there was a deep radicalization process and clearly anybody who builds a bomb factory and buys all these automatic weapons has been radicalized. but a component of that is they cut out their family. they can operate in close quarters with them and still not let them know what's going on. we have seen this before with suicide bombers and people who have gone over to iraq and syria, they have no idea what ra's going on. so the verlts will probably focus on the electronic communications and their behavior towards their child and one thing that's missing, is that at some point, they went to a shooting range and practiced their weapons systems and tested probably their explosives and the fbi is probably going to be tracking that location down.
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>> let me go back to the psychology of this, because are they able to just separate essentially their lives? these may seem like small things, like the package that was checked and it turnings out that they had ordered clothe online. and a friend said he had talked very recently about going back to school, about getting his masters degree, the speculation was that he wanted to provide a better life for his new baby girl. how do you reconcile those things for people who clearly knew they were planning meticulously to carry out this attack. >> this actually has the hallmarks of someone who was about to commit personal sauce side, who was about to kill themselves, they keep the mail coming, they pay all the bills, they talk with about their future, then they kill themselves. we have seen that this person
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has maintained their lives, but at some point, decided that they were going to carry out this attack and while plamaintaining that cover, they built all of these systems and this bomb lab. it's the question of who was the senior radicalizer out of the two, my guess is it's probably going to be the wife. why do we say that? and we have mentioned this before. she was the one who did the real gun battling with police when the vehicle was being chased, it was the husband shootsing out of the car window, she rolled to the back of the car and was shooting at the police out of the rear. that takes commitment and that takes someone who has some practical experience and who has nothing to lose and law enforcement is going to be tearing that apart. >> malcolm nance, thank you for joining us this morning. and part of this investigation leads us to pakistan, and let me ask you first, what do we know
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about this connection? >> reporter: i am actually in a city once known for its shrines, and a liberal form of islam, but in recent years in pakistan, it's become a hot bed of terrorist activity out of there. this is also where malik went to college, she did undergarage and graduate schooling in pharmacy. in getting to know an interesting profile develop about this family. not enough about the connections she's made, but definitely more about her and in her work and school, she was always covered up, in an extensive form of a burqa. didn't talk to the men in college at all. she kept to herself. she comes from a humble background.
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even though she's connected to a political family, her uncle is running for election, even today it's election day here. she came from a very humble background, her father was a horseman when she came to saudi arabia. several families from this region who knew malik, there's not enough big colleges in saudi, that's the profile we're get of this family. the family is really high up, is really important in the social order here. she was. really high up on it. she's from a class of people who worked in the fields and made pots. so that's what we're hearing about her family's background. again, humble roots, and very introverted personality. if you talk to the television
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stations here who we have talked to. they are trying to track the radicalization connection, was it in saudi where she spent the majority of her life, was it here in a city divided between liberalism and secularism? again the school she attended is not a very conservative school, it's called the harvard of south sinj sinjar. but the bottom line is where did this radicalization connection come from. back to you. >> and that is the question that to the fbi is asking even as we speak. we have much more ahead here live from san bernardino, including questions about who farook may have had contact with before the attack. stay with us.
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some of the many questions emerging from this investigation is centering on who the shooters may have had contact with before the attacks, we're joined by james jeffrey, former national security advisor. ambassador good morning. law enforcement officials say that at least one of the suspects, the husband had been under fbi investigation. but -- >> there were no contacts between either of the killers and subjects of our investigations, there was such a significance that it raised these killers up on to our radar
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screen. we're obviously looking closely at those contacts with but i would not want you to overindex that just yet. >> how important is finding that and what discuss your experience and your gut tell us? will we eventually find out they were in touch with someone or is this self-radicalization to you? >> i think it's a little of both. these attacks required a great deal of preparation, some of these things were purchased two or three years ago, they showed an incredible level of tactical -- it is possible to have connections, as we saw with the paris attacks between isis central and syria and people in the west. without coming on the screen of our various intelligence agencies and that's what we need to look into. but i have also had experience over the years with terrorist organizations trying to slip people into to the country just
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as we see with tashfeen malik to marry americans and to embed in that way. >> one of the things we heart from the director yesterday was that there was a hot line that's been set up and he talked about the large number of these kinds of attacks where in retrospect, it turns out somebody did see something, somebody did know something that was out of the normal, which we haven't heard so far, what kinds of things should people be looking for? >> well generally of course in any -- you would look at how people acted, what they said, the kind of equipment they had, and where this equipment comes from. where their training came from, one of the most interesting thing is the quite good job this couple did in eliminating their electronic signatures, their cell phones, their lap tops were
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either city destroyed, erased o something, they didn't want us to find out who they were communicating with. >> hiding in plain sight. ambassador james jeffrey, thank you so much for your time, sir, as we go to break, we want to tell you about another of wednesday's victims. age 26, oaurora godoy was the youngest victim in the attack, she leaves behind her husband and a son who will turn 2 early next year. we'll be right back. the dealers? don't you want to meet my family? yep, totally. it's practically yours, but we still need your signature. the volkswagen sign then drive event. zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first months payment on a new jetta and other select models.
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for more i want to bring in california assembly member carol brown. how is the community dealing with this? >> i think everyone deals with this differently. i deal with this probably by making sure, by going through the community, talking to my con stitch wents to see what we can do to help the state office. >> how do you even begin to deal with the fear, with the grief? >> we meet everything here, as i tell people, san bernardino is just above detroit in poverty. san bernardino has not had the resources. we haven't come back. many communities have started to come back after the recession. san bernardino was hit hardest with the housing crisis. was hit hardest with everything
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that, every indicator, poverty, san bernardino has had that problem. so i don't blame the sense of this on that. but it's disconcerting that we haven't come back yet. >> there is also a question about gun laws, california has some of the strictest in the country but these assault weapons were essentially able to be bought because of mod approximate modifications and loopholes and some of your colleagues have already called for changes to that. what do you think needs to be done? >> first of all, i voted for -- i voted for a law, one law especially, people were able to buy guns and they are able to buy guns on the internet. in california, you cannot buy a gun off the internet, it can't be sent here unless you go through a gun shop.
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and get registered. >> california assembly woman sheryl brown, i appreciate you coming out on this very chilly morning, good luck to you and all of your constituents. >> thank you and just pray for our community, we really need prayer many our community. thank you very much. >> thank you. we're going to also continue our look now at the victims. we want to tell you about tin ngyen, she was only 8 years old when her family fled vietnam for a better life in the u.s. ngyen planned to get married soon at her family's church just a few miles from home. instead her family will be gathering at that church for her funeral. by giving a little more, to yourself. i am running for my future. people sometimes forget to help themselves. the cause is retirement,
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the fbi is still searching for a motive for the shooting in san bernardino and treating it as an act of terrorism. >> reporter: the fbi says their investigation could take quite some time. they have not released a motive, but they do say this is a terror investigation. this morning a closer look at the husband and wife who many saw as an ordinary family until they murdered 14 and wounded 21. >> the investigation so far has developed indications of radicalization by the killer and of the potential of inspiration by foreign terrorist organizations. >> reporter: the fbi now poring into the lives of syed farook and tashfeen malik. she was the americanized housewife from pakistan who pledged support for isis on facebook. he was an american born food
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inspector. the couple may have planned their office party massacre in the home where police discovered pipe bombs, ammunition and tools to build ieds. getting our first look inside, this is where investigators p e pored through documents and scoured their digital trail which the fbi says they took special care to destroy. >> this is something political, because this brother, he couldn't have done this. >> reporter: the calculated massacre would be the deadliest inspired islamic extremist attack on the u.s. since 9/11, officials confirm it's an act of terror. killed by police in a gun battle after the shooting, the couple took the lives of mothers and fathers, sons and daughters, the youngest 26, the oldsest 60. >> we're just all so sick of seeing families get hurt by senseless violence. >> reporter: among the dead,
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45-year-old shannon johnson, his wounded co-worker denise peraza releasing a statement overnight saying she's only alive because johnson shielded here from the gun fire saying only, i got you. the fbi director says as of now there's no way to know the couple's true intent, but again, chris, a big part of their investigation will be retrieving whatever information they can find on the couple's digital footprints. >> nbc's ing . >> president obama made a statement on thursday. >> just two week ago. we have to search ourselves as a society to make sure that we can take basic steps that would make
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it harder, not impossible, but harder for individuals to get access to weapons. >> this has become a familiar refrain during the obama administration, and for the past seven years, the president making what he feels like countless pleas in the wake of mass shootings with very little to show in return. >> i have had to make statements like this too many times. communities like this have had to endure tragedies like this too many times. charlotte, daniel, olivia, josephine, and each time i learn the news, i react not as a president, but as anybody else would as a parent. anna, dylan, madeleine. we mourn with you for the
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fallen. we join you in your grief. catheri catheri catherine, chase, jesse. this will not change until the politics changes and the behavior of elected officials changes. >> and so the white house now considering executive action on gun reform, something he has done before. joining us now, presidential histor advisor and an editor for politics magazine. julian, is there anything the president can do differently this time around? i remember so vividly, especially after new town, thinking something would be different and then nothing because, what do you think about
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where we are with this issue? >> the president is now talking about his executive power. i don't think the situation on capitol hill has changed. this is what he's constantly frustrated about, to the inability to enact gun control even in the aftermath of shootings like this. i think what he has done more of is explicitly saying he are will use the power of the presidency to make some progress on this issue. >> one of the criticisms is that for someone who's such a great communicate for, he did not develop relationships with members of congress on other side of the aisle, that in eessence there's been some opportunity squandered, do you think he's been able to do everything he could not just in the wake of this tragedy, but so many more before it? >> i think the problem is there has been this myth that president obama didn't reach out well enough to people. but there was a great interview
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a couple of weeks ago by john boehner, he said look, obama invited me to talk with him several times, but i got so much purpose back that i couldn't even have lunch with him or play golf with him. so i don't think obama hasn't tried, but there's a segment of the republican party who simply has refused to work with him and are whetted by americans having guns. we have these constant tragedies going on now mixed with terrorism and all of these smart people can't come up with a solution because of their political ideology. >> why hasn't the president, why haven't the members of congress, why haven't these families who have been such really impressive advocates been able to get something passed that frankly the wide public support, like background checks. >> public opinion doesn't always win out in american politics. public opinion right now is very
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favorable to some kind of gun control, it's been for a while. but in to the house of representatives, you have a republican party, where there is a pretty strong faction that is against any kind of gun control. and they're hearing from their constituents in very red districts not to do this. and you have that combined with ambiguity in the democratic party. the nra is very powerful and there are many democrats who have been lukewarm, not necessarily in their support for gun control, but in how much they're willing to really fight for it. the president looks at capitol hill, he can choose all he wants, he can try to wheel and deal, but the opponents are not going to move on this issue. so i don't think public opinion can overcome the legislative dynamics of this issue. >> there's a second part of this, and that is quiet, that is the word that fbi director comey used yesterday, that people feel in the wake of this attack the
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concern that there is and i think not just about the muslim community in general, but the general sense of security after paris and so on. what did you want to hear from the president? what role do you think he can play in calming the fears that both he and many of his top aides have acknowledged? >> i need, and i think most of america needs the president to do, and believe it or not, and i may be the only person who says this, do what donald trump does, i think the president needs to validate these fears. he says, yes, yes, yes, we have got it. he needs to empathize with people with why they're afraid in these situations and what he's going to do down the road. he flips from the concerns that people have to his policies rather quickly and a lot of
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people think he doesn't care or is disconnected. >> thank you both for being here. and as we go to break, we want to remember daniel kaufman who trained developmentally disabled employees at the inland regional center's coffee shop. family and friends say he loved horror movies. he made a habit of starting conversations with almost ever person he met. daniel kaufman was just 42 years old. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like playing the boss equals the boss wins. wow!
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is it opportunistic? >> we know this is coming from one of the known media wings that they use, so it's authentic. they're referring to them as soldiers of the caliphate. there's no indication this was a directed plot by isis. it seems to be opportunistic, after the attack happened, which is something we've seen in the past, taking credit for just about anything that goes on. one of the things we haven't seen is a slickly produced video or details of the attack that you can't read in the newspaper, that's what's missing. >> what would it take for this to fall into the category of an isis operationally coordinated attack? >> some kind of information that we don't already know about. pictures of the attackers before the attack, perhaps. none of that is coming out. we barely have our first photo of the female attacker. so if isis were to prove some
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sort of details of the attack, maybe the lines of communication they use, that would lend more weight to this claim beyond just these are two people that followed the caliphate as they put it. >> we know law enforcement officials have kind of said so far they have not seen any direct communication with, you know -- or they say they're not quite a cell or a network or an organization. would it be possible for isis to carry out this kind of attack without having any traits or any evidence that the fbi 48, you know, 72 hours into this would at least have detected? >> probably not, but this is even better in some ways for the islamic state, daish, whatever you want to refer to them, because it is inspired by, not directed from. there is no trail. there is no communication they can point to and say this is what caused it. it may be two people in california that built bombs in their basement after reading the material and didn't share that with anyone. that's much more frightening than a direct message you can
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yesterday only 60 miles from here family friends gathered for the funeral of a young californian killed in the paris attack three weeks ago. noami gonzalez who was studying fashion in paris was gunned down in a cafe while she was out with friends. hundreds gathered for the funeral of officer garrett swazy. he was one of three people killed during the attack on a planned parenthood attack clinic last week. he was one of among the first responders for that shooting. i'm chris jansing in san bernardino. thanks for getting up with us today. join us back here tomorrow, sunday morning. melissa harris perry is up next.
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this morning, my question, what quantifies as accountability? plus, the secretary of defense tells congress we're at war. and the good news that you may have missed this week. but first, the latest on the shootings in san bernardino. good morning. we want to bring you the latest this morning. that left 14 people dead and 21 more wounded. this morning, the islamic state

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