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for president. oh, to be a fly on the wall. so president obama and secretary clinton apparently had lunch today. now tomorrow in terms of your that does it for tonight. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. tonight, the fbi investigation of the terrorist attack in san bernardino continues and frank rick is here to try to sift through the debris of the political bomb just dropped by donald trump. >> good evening. >> president obama addressed the nation last night from the oval office. >> on wednesday 14 americans were killed as they came together to celebrate the holidays. >> he delivered a rare prime time address. >> the victims were brutally murdered and injured by one of their co-workers and his wife. the two of them had gone down the dark path of radicalization. >> the president's over arching message was to stay the course in the fight against isis.
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>> presidential candidates didn't waste any time criticizing the speech. >> he announced nothing new. >> he called on muslim-american community to step up more. >> we cannot turn against one another by letting this fight be defined as a war between america and islam. >> we must not vilify american muslims. >> marginalization of muslims, even the idea or the theory of it actually maximization of isis goals. >> late today donald trump offered a total ban on muslims entering the united states. >> a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. we have no choice. we have no choice. >> the fbi has been questioning the mother of syed farook who lived upstairs in the house where authorities now say farook and his wife tashfeen malik had set up a bomb-making factory. investigators are also
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questioning a friend of syed farook who in 2011 purchased the two assault rifles used in the attack. fbi investigators said that syed farook and tashfeen malik did target practice at the local gun ranges and syed farook practiced shooting his assault rifle at a local range just two days before last wednesday's attack. it was also real today that tashfeen malik attended taxes at a fundamental islamic school for women in pakistan in 2013 and 2014 after she graduated in university. the u.s. government released this photo of syed farook and tashfeen malik taken at chicago's o'hare international airport when she arrived in the united states for the first time in july 2014. fbi investigators said today they believe the couple had been radicalized, quote, for quite some time. >> we believe they both were. that's the question for us is, how and by whom and where were
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they radicalized. maybe there's not a by whom. remember, oftentimes it's on the internet. >> in his oval office address last night in reaction to the massacre in san bernardino, president obama continued to stress that protecting the united states from isis attacks at home meant fighting isis on the ground in iraq and syria. >> we will continue to provide training and equipment to tens of thousands of iraqi and syrian forces fighting isil on the ground so that we take away their safe havens. in both countries we're deploying special operation forces who can accelerate that offensive. we've stepped up this effort since the attacks in paris and will continue to invest more in approaches that are working on the ground. >> we're joined now by lieutenant colonel anthony schaeffer, senior fellow with the london center for policy research. served as intelligence officer in the u.s. army. and jeremy bash, former chief of staff for leon panetta. and hassan hassan, co-author of "isis: inside the army of terror."
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nonresident fellow at the tahrir institute for middle east policy. hassan, what is your reaction of everything that we're learning about the educational history of the wife in this story? >> well, to me this sounds familiar indeed, you know, the process was the reason, you know, they went through radicalization and then -- and then they carried out the -- you know, the act. and then makes perfect sense because usually people who join, you know, or start kind of buying into this idea, the ideas that isis represent, they go through a massive change and transformational change and a very quick -- in a very short period of time.
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and you know, it makes sense that the mother -- sorry, the wife was the supposedly the reason why he was radicalized and he -- you know, he was pushed into this act. >> let's listen to what president obama said last night, asking muslim leaders around the world to help on this. >> muslim leaders here and around the globe have to continue working with us to decisively and unequivocally reject the hateful ideology that groups like isil and al qaeda promote. to speak out against not just acts of violence but also those interpretations of islam that are incompatible with the values of religious tolerance, mutual respect, and human dignity. >> colonel schaeffer, how important is that in the full package of the president's strategies and hopes for how to refute isis? >> extraordinarily important. just today one of the groups i
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work with, the association of british muslims in london had prince andrew at their footballer for peace. it's very important to recognize those elements of the muslim faith who are very much fighting the radicalism, trying very hard to stop it. plus, we have the muslim community right mere in the d.c. area, baltimore is a very large community who have completely taken and got -- says -- they forego violence all together. this is an important piece. we -- lawrence, we really need to look at how to expand working with groups who are willing to work with us because clearly this is a war of ideas as much as anything else. we must get on top of that. we have not been doing well in the war of ideas against the radicalization issue. >> talk about where we are on the coordination these days between cia, fbi, all the various investigative capacities that we have that would be relevant to trying to prevent attacks like we saw in san bernardino.
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>> well, that kind of coordination, lawrence, happens on a daily, hourly, basis, minute by minute in northern virginia as well as in the field on the joint terrorism task forces. actually out in the world at our embassies and with our allies overseas. our coordination between intelligence and law enforcement, homeland security is fairly well lashed up. what makes this case so challenging, we're seeing this as the investigation widens day by day is that here you have a couple that may not have had direct ties or direct connections to plotters overseas. yet they were engaged in stockpiling of weapons, of training, of planning, of plotting, even of linking potentially to others on the internet. and so this is where it makes it very difficult for our intelligence agencies to penetrate a plot overseas and stop an attack at home. because untimes shows connections aren't so clear. so it's going to require a lot more coordination, a lot better
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lash up, a lot more intense i focus on understanding exactly the way individuals and couples get red callized here in the united states. >> a lot of complaints from republican candidates for president saying that president obama offered nothing new last night. they offered nothing new themselves. there are very few, i think lindsey graham might be the only one willing to send in ground troops. let's listen to what president obama said about ground war. >> we should not be drawn once more into a long and costly ground war in iraq or syria. that's what groups like isil want. they know they can't defeat us on the battlefield. isil fighters were part of the insurgency we faced in iraq but they also know if we occupy foreign lands they can maintain insurgencies for years, kilting thousands of our troops, draining our resources, and using our presence to draw new recruits. >> hassan hassan, do you think the islamic state really wants
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an invasion of american ground troops? >> well, isis wants many things but, you know, what it wants most is this -- really this message that was delivered yesterday by president obama, which is to somehow suggest that everyone should abandon the whole syrian conflict, which is actually the -- you know, isis was a symptom of this conflict, it was borne out before this syrian conflict but it would not have been this, you know, huge threat without syrian conflict. and somehow, you know, president obama was suggest that everyone should somehow, you know, agree together to fight the organization rather than actually resolve the syrian conflict. this is the key to defeating the group. there's nothing that the group will continue to operate in syria and iraq and expand
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elsewhere unless you deal with the situation on the ground. i think that was something that was missing from the speeches today. there was no plan. there was no strategy of what to do. the only thing that your president obama suggested was to stay the course and not do anything beyond what's being done at the moment. >> colonel schaeffer, what would you suggest to the president beyond what you heard him offer last night? >> three things. first, the president did admit these folks are adapting. what we have to do is get ahead of them, anticipate how they're going to adapt and get ahead of them. this is a pattern we've seen before. they were in the very area where the wife of the terror suspect came from so we have to recognize that that's an area we have to focus on intensely. secondly, we have to recognize the war of ideas. get on top of that. work with people like president al sisi of egypt as an ally in this war and work to find a way to go back at these extremists with -- and war of ideas.
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third, we have to take back the terrain. president obama should have said we're going to double down and try to bring back governance to those ungoverned spaces. lawrence, ungoverned spaces are the magnet for this sort of thing so we have to do all three of those things. i wish the president would have been clearer to give the pentagon more authority to get ahead of isis and we're not doing that yet. >> jeremy bash, what would you add to what you would recommend? >> i think colonel schaeffer illuminated some important points and i would also add, i think we probably need more forces on the ground in iraq and syria. 50 special operations in syria is not a lot. 250 special operation forces in iraq is not a lot. now, of course, the president is right, a ground force, ground operations, that's not what we wanton engaged in. at least we don't want american troops to be doing that. we probably need several hundred, maybe a couple thousand to comprise a task force that
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can really try to squeeze isis from both sides. really go to the playbook that we used successfully against al qaeda senior leadership along the afghanistan/pakistan border where we surged our intelligence, surged our efforts to employ special operations forces and then engage in punishing air strikes to decapitate and decimate al qaeda senior leadership. that's a strategy that i think we need to bring now to syria and iraq. >> jeremy, quickly before we go, when i hear that talk about our success with al qaeda, didn't we just squeeze one end of the balloon and the other end of the balloon expanded and that end of the balloon is now called isis? >> yeah, but, lawrence, let's not diminish that. the plots coming out of the afghanistan, pakistan border region were very serious. they would have caused major losses of life here and in europe. and the united states stepped up and actually stopped those plots. there are people living today because we engaged in that fight. >> jeremy bash, thanks for joining us.
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also lieutenant colonel anthony schaeffer. and hassan hassan. coming up, how to combat islamic radicalization, the personal end of it. and tonight, donald trump has outdone himself. the candidate who is associated in polls with the word idiot has gone to a place where only he could go. no other candidate is joining him in his madness tonight. frank rich will be here with his reaction.
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>> joining us now is asra nomani, co-founder of the muslim reform movement and the author of "standing alone, an american woman's struggle for the soul of islam" and also, nasser weddady, an expert on isis and youth radicalization. what is your reaction of what the president had to say last night? >> lawrence, since i last spoke with you, great progress that we are calling it out an ideological problem. still a problem that we look at cancer and poison instead of really calling out what the problem is. on friday i'm really proud. i stood with a group of muslims and we started this movement for reform and islam. one of our tenets is explicitly that we stated. we posted this declaration on the mosque, the saudi mosque in washington, d.c. we wrote that we believe we must target the ideology of violent islamist extremism. we have to name it. islamist ideology is -- and it's what influences the islamic
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state. >> let's listen to what homeland security secretary jeh johnson said today. >> now i have an ask. it is the ask of the people in this room and all muslims across this country. terrorist organizations overseas have targeted your communities. they seek to pull your youth in to the pit of violent extremism. help us to help you stop this. >> nasser, what is your reaction to that? >> i think that unfortunately we're still using some of the old language and we're not recognizing reality. even would take a little bit of an issue about talking about religion. everything shows that isis' success has a lot to do with
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them creating a global counter culture which is the unfortunately the hottest global counter culture appealing to youth and it's appealing to youth that doesn't necessarily look like me. they have blue eyes and blond hair. that is something that has not quite sunk in. it doesn't mean that we -- what i'm basically trying to drive at is that the theology, i think that's a little bit of a dead beat because a lot of the people who fall into this were not religious. but that does not exclude what the fact is that we do have a serious problem with islam that has basically mutated and became this extremely virulent strain that is isis today. we need to recognize that reality because cohesion here at home depends on it. one of the direct damages of the attacks in san bernardino is that a lot of people are looking around them and saying, like, look, this guy looks nice, but
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am i sure this is not going to flip on me tomorrow? that's the reality that we need to address by understanding the fact that we are dealing with something a lot more complicated an elaborated because if we don't deal with that, the risk that we're running is that we will be, again, perpetrating the same problem, spending billions of dollars, creating all sorts of, you know, the new hot words, counter violence, extremism which doesn't mean much. totally vanilla. and more importantly, with all the initiatives put out there, including like the segment that you played. okay, the homeland security guy is going to meet with gray leaders, old men and women, who are perfectly incapable of understanding what a millennial is thinking. again, isis has a heads-up start on that because it created materials that are really good tie back to the original point that i'm making. they understand how millennials think. they know their audience where
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we, the rest of us, have failed to do that. >> what is your recommendation then in this area? >> my recommendation is very clear. that we need to start fighting -- fighting the war of ideas. we need to beat them at their bone game and point back the fact that democracy, our way of life in this country, is far better than the caliphate. and for us to do that we need to basically level down, start creating materials that are very much encapsulate that message. we shouldn't be shy from stating it clearly. we in the west have a better way of life and a better system. there's nothing racist about that. and furthermore, i would add that we need to listen to the youth and learn better to idea them rather than going to the mosque, which, again, i'm not dismissing it. it's important, it should be done. but it's not the only solution because, frankly, the mosque itself has some issues and needs to answer for those.
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best described by the word idiot said this. >> what's happened is we're out of control. we have no idea who is coming into our country. we have no idea if they love us or if they hate us. we have no idea if they want to bomb us. we have no idea what's going on. donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. [ applause ] >> reaction was quick. jeb bush said, donald trump is unhinged. marco rubio tweeted, i disagree with donald trump's latest proposal. his habit of making offensive and outlandish statements will not bring americans together. governor chris christie said this. >> this is the kind of thing that people say when they have no experience and don't know what they're talking about. we do not need to resort to that
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type of activity, nor should we. >> ted cruz who has pushed donald trump out of first place in the most recent iowa poll was the most polite disagreer with donald trump. >> that is not my policy. i believe the focus should focus on radical islamic terrorism and we need to be directly focused on threats to the united states. >> joining us now frank rich, writer at large for new york magazine. he's also an executive producer of hbo's "veep." frank, this is the night i need you. i have -- i'm at wit's end as they say. he's gone there. it's kind of like once he said it you realized, oh, he's been tiptoeing up to this, hasn't he, for the last few weeks? >> yeah, he's been tiptoeing up to it. look, there's nothing he won't say, particularly if there's any movement against him in the polls or by another candidate.
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but the whole republican party has been tiptoeing up to it. i don't see why it's such an enormous leap to trump's outrageous statement for jeb bush saying a few weeks ago we should only let in christian syrian refugees. the whole party has been training in this zenophobia. it's trumpism. >> you know, there is -- you could lay out the trump candidacy as if it was a plan for it to crash. you know, you whisper in his ear, insult john mccain, that ought to kill your candidacy. you know, it's just like right down the line. like this thing tonight looks like, is he trying to kill his candidacy? >> is he or is he trying to appeal to a base in the republican party that might sustain him in some primaries? that's what we don't know. we have all of these polls and we don't know yet how the voters are going to vote. and in the end, the only people
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who can really shut him down are republican voters in states like new hampshire and south carolina. i was sort of off on the side of it because it's particularly conservative and evangelical group in the republican party. but it's going to be up to republicans to shut this nonsense down. and he may not crash. we don't know. you can't fight something with nothing and no one has really put a glove on him nationally in terms of stealing his thunder. >> let's listen to a former vice president who has never been accuse of being a liberal on the hugh hewitt show today reacting to donald trump. >> i think this whole notion that somehow we can just say no more muslims, and just ban a whole religion, goes against everything that we stand for and believe in. i mean, religion has been a very important part of our history and where we came from. >> frank, remember six months ago when dick cheney was the toughest guy in the republican party?
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>> i know, really, the goalposts have been moved to god knows where. but here's the thing. i think it's -- look, i think it's admirable of dick cheney of whom i'm not a fan to say that. i also think george w. bush after 9/11 took a more or less understanding about diversity of religion and muslims. but they're not in power. the people who are, where is mitch o'connell, where's powell ryan, where is reince priebus, the head of the republican party, a few state chairmen, candidates below 5% in the polls are criticizing trump, but cruz who has a lot to gain by inheriting trump's following really didn't stand up strongly against him. they're all sort of cowering the way some people in the party did before joe mccarthy in another generation. >> hillary clinton knows what a gift donald trump is. she tweeted tonight, this is reprehensible.
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prejudiced and divisive. donald trump you don't get it. this makes us less safe. she's got a strong point there, this kind of hate rhetoric is just exactly -- you know, if isis could have made one request of donald trump it would be please say this tonight. >> exactly. i mean, that's exactly right. hillary clinton is right. you're right. the crazy thing is i don't think that trump actually even understands that. i don't think he understands what he's doing. he's like the kid, you know, lighting matches in a wood pile and doesn't know what he's doing. but he is certainly helping the democrats if we want to look at a narrow political lens with everything that he talks about, whether he's, you know, attacking women as bimbos or attacking muslims or anything else in his insane arsenal. >> ted cruz surging in iowa. he may be who people are vote for who are now currently thinking about donald trump. let's listen to what ted cruz
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had to say on saturday. >> we will carpet bomb them into oblivion. i don't know if sand can glow in the dark, but we're going to find out. >> now, frank, i'm sure he doesn't know that carpet bombing is now a war crime, but i'm not sure that would have stopped him from saying it. >> no, absolutely not. and look, he is after the trump brigade. he's a smarter than trump, much more clever and more of a professional politician than trump. but he -- he's appealing to the same voters with that speech that trump was trying to appeal to today. and we're going to find out how large a hold they have in the base of the gop in the months to come. >> and his trump strategy now
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seems to have worked. he was the one who decided early on, i'm going to embrace trump. i will never be critical of him no matter what he says because i'm betting the day comes when voters will fall away from trump to the person who they think might actually be able to win an election who sounds a lot like trump. >> i think that's exactly right. and of course in iowa he has a weapon to use against trump because he has evangelical following. and despite trump's claims that he read the bible almost as insidiously as the art of the feel deal, nobody believes that trump is a conservative christian. so he is really going to get under trump's skin but he's never going to do anything to offend trump or, more importantly, trump voters because that is his constituency. >> frank rich, thank you very much for joining us from l.a. tonight. now, go back to work on that best comedy on tv. >> thank you.
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it's going to get worse and worse, folks. we can be politically correct or we can be stupid, but it's going to be get worse and worse. until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victim of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad. these are people only believe in jihad. they don't want our system. >> joining us now is steven yale-loehr, professor of law at cornell law school where he is the preeminent authority on u.s. law school, and back with us is asra nomani. professor, what is your view of the legality of this. i know we have controlled the number of immigrants from certain countries over time that that's possible within law.
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but if this was ever attempted, would it require legislation? >> yes, absolutely. i mean, donald trump has a first amendment right to say anything that he wants but he's trying to take away the first amendment right of muslims to practice their religion. so he can say and propose anything he wants but congress would have to enact a statute and then it would be up to the supreme court to determine whether that's constitutional. >> and so the problem here, it's slightly tricky because only citizens really have rights in our courts. and so the harm here would be done to people who are not citizens, but can you conceive of a case there that would involve the rights of an american citizen effected by trump's idea? >> sure. there are two instances. for example, a u.s. citizen relative who may want to bring their loved one in from a foreign country who will be prohibited by such a statute would sue saying that their
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rights to be able to reunited with their family members had been violated by the statute. similarly muslim immigrants here in the united states who have green cards or perhaps have u.s. naturalized citizenship who then left the united states under trump's proposal would be barred from returning. as u.s. citizens they don't lose your constitutional rights by leaving the united states so they could sue as well. >> yeah. so -- two things. one, it would never happen. even though, you know, the craziest presidential candidate of all times says it. it would never happen. but to do the full thought exercise, if it did it would never survive in the supreme court. what is your reaction of donald trump saying this? >> well, it's completely impossible and unacceptable for this to happen. but, you know, whenever you look at any type of issue you can look at the words which are just above the iceberg or also look below the iceberg. what i'm just taken back to is when i arrived in 1969 as a 4-year-old girl in my muslim
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family, i came with my brother on a twa flight. and we arrived at a very different time in our world. and over the span of my lifetime what has happened is that we have this islamist threat that is confronting us. so sunday night the president offered some strategies, but i think that trump's words reveal the vulnerability that many people feel. he is exploiting that vulnerability, that fear of a presidency that unfortunately isn't giving people confidence that we are actually dealing effectively with that islamist strategy. so while we talk about cde and counter environment extremism they are adding the "i" word, islamist extremism. we need a white house who comes more to the middle and we need those on the extreme right like
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donald trump to be challenged as he is by his republican counterparts. so that we can take the middle path in our solution for this great dilemma that's facing our country. >> besides the semantics what specifically would you suggest that president obama should do or that he hasn't done? >> well, when we think about the islamist threat, the threat of this ideology, it is very real in schools and in preachings that are coming out from some of our greatest allies including the governments of saudi arabia and qutar. quite frankly we are not still confronting this ideology in a direct way. when president obama told muslims to take it on, trust me, we are. we're trying. we're doing everything that we possibly can. although i would say not everybody is because many people
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are still living in a culture of denial about this. but many of us are trying. and so what we need to do is have an administration that also acknowledges that this is an ideological problem that we name very effectively. >> what could you possibly say to the regime in saudi arabia about their religious teachings that would have any impact on them? >> when he said that the muslims need to challenge the ideology that is not compatible with western values, let's think about that for a second. is an ideology that sentences to death a man for a simple act of what he thinks accept i believe to our western values? it's not. that's what the government of saudi arabia has done. has it acceptable to put a young man who is a poet in jail also on the sentenced to death for the crime of writing poetry? it's not. those aren't our western values. so we need to have moral courage as an organization and we need
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to stand up to these regimes that are, in fact, causing the same problem that many of our muslims have now to challenge and that is costing many of us our lives as well. >> asra nomani, thank you very much. on the same day that the department announced the investigation, chicago police release another video of another deadly shooting by chicago police. marie callender knows that a homemade turkey dinner can make anyone slow down and pull up a seat to the table.
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that presentation of evidence might not have even happened if chicago was not already reeling from murder charges that same prosecutor brought two weeks ago in another case. charges that she inexplicably took well over a year to file. today's case presented the killing of ronald johnson who was shown in video being shot in the back by police officer george hernandez while johnson was running away and carrying a gun. the prosecutor said that although johnson was running away from the officer who shot him, johnson was running toward other officers, and so was a threat to them. the prosecutor added that officer hernandez has a right to shoot because johnson could have fired the gun at police officers behind him at any moment without even turning around.
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and then she actually showed video of another man doing exactly that in another confrontation with chicago police. here is that video. >> discharged with his right hand while running forward without ever turning his body position. the officer is going to come from behind here after he is struck in the leg. >> a lawyer for ronald johnson's family who is suing the police for wrongful death tried to insist today the gun shown in johnson's hand in the video is not a gun at all but just a shadow. he also said that the gun police say they found in johnson's hand was a plant but offered no evidence to support that claim. the prosecutor said the gun had johnson's dna on it.
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now, there are three kinds of shootings by police, a bad shooting like the one that resulted in murder charges by -- against the police officer last month in chicago, a legally justifiable shooting, meaning one where the officer had a legal right to do it, maybe didn't have to do it but had a legal right to do it, and then there are good shootings, shootings where the criminal poses a deadly threat and every police officer has a duty to fire at that person. those are the good ones. the prosecutor did not say today that this was a good shooting, that this was commendable police work. what she said was that it was legally justifiable because mr. johnson had a gun and could have fired at any of this officers at any time. now, there were other officers who were almost as close, just about as close as officer hernandez and notice that they decided not to shoot. they may have believed that they had a legal right to shoot but
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they didn't. they were maybe waiting for just a bit more direct provocation. but it is possible that if they waited too long, one of them might be dead. officer hernandez didn't wait. he didn't wait at all. he was the only officer who chose not to wait for any more provocation and chose to shoot ronald johnson. but by any objective reading of today's evidence, officer hernandez was technically legally justified in that decision to shoot. but, because the chicago police department has lost the trust of the community that it polices, many people there today wondered if they could accept the prosecutor's findings in this case. 30 years ago howard saffold, then a chicago police officer, told me, quote, a quote i will never forget, cops can do things
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we are six of us in our family and our parents cannot manage to consider all. >> that was mar i have jane saying the parents cannot afford to pay the high cool tuition fees for in of the six kids in malawi. the program we established five years ago that provides scholarships for girls to attend high school as well as providing desks for kids in need of desks in african schools, schools that have never had desks. in the malawi's families that can afford to pay for one student to go to high school it is usually one of the boys that go to school which is why we're making an extra effort to support girls, where the high school graduation rate for girls is half of that of boys. even with the scholarships that you provide for mary and many other girls in malawi, it's a very, very hard road, beginning in mary's case, every day with
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the one-hour walk to school at 5:30 a.m. after the one-hour walk home mary has very little time to get her homework done because she has no electricity in her home. mary is as optimistic and determined a student as i have ever met anywhere. she told me she wants to be a lawyer. here's why.
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>> aisha also in high school told me about the day in seventh grade when she decided she wanted to be a nurse. >> futouma told me she wants to >> futouma told me she wants to be a doctor. she told me she knows how hard it will be for her to make it all of the way to medical school and through medical school and become a doctor.
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>> i will do my best to make it. that's the kind of determined confidence i find in so many of the girls who are able to stay in high school thanks entirely to your kindness. you can help futouma make it by going to the lastworddesks.msnbc.com and contribute to the girls scholarship fund or contribute desks to school. desks like this one. you can give a desk or a scholarship to anyone on your christmas list and unicef will send them a card acknowledging the gifts that have been made in their names. the girls you've been listening to tonight all know that their scholarship money comes from you. and as we were wrapping up our conversation last month, futouma told me that there was one more thing she wanted to say, something she wanted to say to you.
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and so, fatouma katatay, gets tonight's last word. trump to muslims, you're not welcome here. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. last night donald trump blasted barack obama saying we need a new president fast. today he drove the heat higher saying the country should slam the door on muslims, period.

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