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united states. it's our top story right now on msnbc. are you a bigot? >> not at all. >> a lot of our friends here have encouraged me to criticize and attack donald trump. i'm not interested in doing so. >> anybody who is going to be coming to our country, we need to know why they're coming. >> i don't think donald trump is serious and what he's saying isn't a serious plan. >> we have to be tough. we have to be smart. and we have to be vigilant. >> we have to recognize that there is a small number of muslims around the world who oppose western civilization. >> it's time that my side of the aisle has one less candidate in the race for the white house. >> donald trump is the best thing to ever happen to hillary clinton. >> what he said is disqualifying. >> this is both a shameless and a dangerous idea. >> good wednesday morning to you. there is a lot of news to get to. our political team is up early this morning. hallie jackson in new york.
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in the past when everyone piles on to him for something he says, trump's support increases. will that happen this time as well. >> you can look back at past precedent. we have seen this press didn't where he says something inflammatory or controversial and doesn't go down in the poll and even increases his lead over his rivals. this could be potentially different but it feels like a broken record to say that. the best indication of what he is going to do or what might happen is to talk to folks who are out there supporting trump. i want you to listen to some sound that we got of people reacting to donald trump's plan to potentially ban muslims coming into this country. listen. >> who is bombing buildings? who is bombing airplanes? it's not the christians. it's not the jewish. it's noted buddhists. it's the muslims. you got that on camera, sport? >> trump's supporters like his strength.
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they like that he's coming out forcefully about this. other people, of course, say that this is rhetoric that is dangerous and could potentially put the united states at risk. look at trump's hometown newspaper, "the daily news." when trump came for the mexicans i did not speak out. when he came for the muslims i did not speak out as i was not a muslim. then he came for me. again on the front page of a paper. again, you know, making headlines here. one place he's not on the cover of, though. "time" magazine, josé. donald trump is not happy about it. tweeting a couple of minutes ago that he believes he should be. he is outraged he is not "times" person of the year. announced this morning on the "today" show. german chancellor angela merkel. they picked a person, trump says, who is ruining germany. josé. >> mark, have you heard this type of rhetoric in any other election, in any other year, you would think it's an outlier fringe candidate. there is a new poll out today showing him with an 18 point
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lead. >> yes, sit's not even the new hampshire poll with him up 18 points. there is a new national poll that has him ten percentage points over the nearest competition. ted cruz, 27% to 17%. and, you know, josé, you end up looking at who the trump voter actually is, and when we've looked at our polling. they've disproportionately ended up being men. been republican-leaning independen independents. not your normal establishment republicans but people sometimes on the periphery of the party and who are very animated by the two issues of immigration and national security. of course, the issue matrix that we're dealing with after the paris attacks and after the san bernardino shootings is something that is right up -- right up donald trump's alley. it shouldn't be a surprise that he's taken over the overwhelming lead in the republican race. with 50 days to iowa, the question is does it last.
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>> mark, you were talking about the greoup of people who suppors him overwhelmingly. it's independents who lean republican. are they regular voters? in other words, are these people that, if they come out and vote, would be an increase in the number of voters on an average year? >> yeah. that's the great question, josé. do these independent-leaning republicans actually turn out to the iowa caucuses. our poll traditionally has a tight screen for who we think show up for the primaries. our poll has had donald trump's percentage and while he's leading the race, a little bit lower than elsewhere. we haven't seen him with the 18 or 20-point leads that you've seen in other polls. it will be instructive. we'll have a brand-new nbc/wall street journal poll out next week. it will be interesting to see with the tight screen what donald trump's lead is or if he's even leading the contest.
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>> kasie, is an independent run by trump still a possibility by your indications? >> trump was tweeting about the fact yesterday after the usa "today" suffolk poll showed 68% of his supporters said they would back him as an independent. he has signed the pledge to be a loyal republican, so to speak. it's not necessarily clear that he would be bound by that pledge. the question now is what do the republican establishment and leadership do about it? in many ways they have their hands tied. they can't push him too far out of the fold without risking him doing that in a very aggressive way. at the same time, the comments have made it so hard for them to embrace him. you saw what happened with paul ryan yesterday coming out and condemning those comments. the chairman at the rnc has worked so hard over the last couple years to try to control this process. the reality is, with trump coming into it it's become a
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huge mess. they actually changed some of the rules of the republican party to make it harder for delegates on the floor of the convention to vote for someone other than who the voters in their states supported the first time around. the rules are a little bit tricky and complicated, but it used to be that they had a lot more flexibility to change the outcome on the floor. they don't now. so suddenly taking on trump is much, much more difficult. and while on the one hand, you know, this is a nightmare for the infrastructure of the party itself, if he does in fact go out and make the independent bid, everyone behind the scenes says that essentially hands the election straight to hillary clinton, josé. >> taking the point that kasie just talked about, what does the republican party, the republican leadership do in the meantime? >> i think they walk the line, josé. i think that's what we've been seeing from some of the leaders of the republican party. there is a dilemma. you are looking at the divide in the republican party. there is a dilemma between wanting to make sure you're distancing yourself from trump's
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inflammatory language and at the same time not disowning the people who support him who the gop obviously wants in the tent. they want their base to turn out. they want conservatives to vote in this election. kasie talked about chairman priebus. look how he did it. he didn't see him on camera. he came out in a written statement in a conservative newspaper, what appears to be this intentional move to get out there with some cautious condemnation of trump and getting on the record that you disagree with this muslim ban but at the same time not waving the flag and coming out very strongly and, you know, overly strongly in some cases against trump trump's plan. to say, look, we still want you in the party, we still believe you should be voting conservative. donald trump did sign the loyalty pledge. are you seeing other candidates in the race -- almost all of them saying they would support donald trump if he is the nominee. at the same time, what you hear
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from folks in the party, if he runs as a third-party candidate it's basically game over or conservatives. >> this is all great news for the democrats. hillary clinton trying to use this plan by trump to lump all the other gop candidates together. >> that's absolutely right, josé. there is arguably no candidate who benefits more from donald trump's controversial comments than hillary clinton. we have seen her take each one of these controversial comments by donald trump and try to paint the entire republican party with a trump brush. she is doing it again. in this instance she is out with a new ad today entitled, the 2016 republican field, extreme across the board. last night while campaigning in new hampshire she said this. take a listen. >> they are all driving the exact narrative that jihadists want to advance. that we are at war not with violent murders but with an
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entire religion. >> if you look at the polls, josé, secretary clinton does better anyongainst donald trumpa general election matchup than against any of the other candidates. she gets 48% compared to trump who gets 44%. marco rubio tops her with 44%. she narrowly beats carson and cruz. you can bet the republican party watching all of this closely. they want to be going after secretary clinton on a daily basis. instead, they're responding to donald trump. every day they spend doing that is a day that helps hillary clinton. josé. >> and so, mark, what do you see hillary clinton doing in the future? i mean, how do the other candidates try to differentiate themselves from what mr. trump is saying? >> well, the other candidates have to say, i'm not donald trump, i'm more moderate by comparison. josé, i think kristen ended up hitting and your question as well on the dilemma ever since donald trump got into the race,
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started making controversial comments as it relates to mexican undocumented immigrants and others, that somehow it's easy to blur the line from what donald trump ends up saying to what they say. and whether -- there is a question of whether donald trump has hurt the republican party, even at the margins where somehow, what he says the eventual republican nominee, if it's going to be someone else, has to own. >> mark murray, kasie hunt, hallie jackson and kristen welker. thank you. getting a reaction from republican muslims to donald trump's proposal. let me bring in the president and founder of the republican muslim coalition, saba ahmed. thank you for being with me. >> thank you for having me. >> a lot of republicans have publicly denounced trump's comments including speaker of the house paul ryan. >> what was proposed yesterday was not what that party stands for and, more importantly, it's not what this country stands
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for. not only are there many muslims serving in our armed forces, dying for this country, there are muslims serving right here in the house, worker every day to uphold and defend the constitution. >> are you satisfied with the response of speaker ryan and others? >> i think it's fabulous that they're speaking out finally, but we need to see more leaders, republican leaders, speak out against trump, especially his hatred against muslims. you know, rnc needs to take strong positions. i think if we're going to win the general election, if they're serious about winning back the white house they need to tone down the anti-islamic rhetoric. there is no way the religious liberties of all will be tarnished if they just get to target one faith. the democrats are already all over this, and they are trying to win. if they get the 7 million plus muslim-american voters, we're going to hand them the election. but i would like to see republicans reach out to
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muslim-americans. 70% of us voted for president bush back in 2000. i think republican muslims can help the republican party reach out to muslim-americans and hopefully win back the debate and enlist our help to fight the war on terror and hopefully make that country safe for everyone. >> saba, other than trump, a lot of the candidates, most of the candidates, and certainly, for example, paul ryan and others, have spoken out against him. it just seems as though, quite frankly, trump, you know, makes everyone else's opinion and comments seem -- they're not as heard. they're just not heard. and so how do you make a difference between what he is saying and what maybe everybody else is thinking? >> well, trump can make all the comments that he wants, but he can't just enact unconstitutional laws right out of his mind. we have a -- we live in a society that respects the rule
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of law, and it's unconstitutional and blatant religious discrimination to target one minority group. you cannot do that. we have equal protection under the law. we have due process rights for every -- as an american citizen, if he wants to challenge my right to travel outside and not be able to come back, i would like to define myself. we have courts. we have a system that totally allows us to exercise our rights. we have religious freedoms and liberties, and i would like to see all republican presidential candidates respect that. >> saba, let's talk about the muslim community in the united states. as you say, there are millions and millions of voters here, americans, who have, you know, who believe in the muslim faith. but they are through and through americans. >> exactly. and we will be voting in the upcoming elections, and if -- we will definitely not be voting for candidates who want to ban us, shut down our mosques, who
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want to have us, if we travel, not be able to come back. yeah. we'd like to see some serious presidential candidates and vote somebody in office who is going to defend our rights. and we were actually very glad to see president obama defend our rights recently. i think anti-muslim sentiments across the united states needs to -- need to end. islamaphobia should have no place in the 21st century. we want to have that be a thing of the past. this is 2015. we should not be going back to comments -- i was really surprised to see donald trump common out on the anniversary of pearl harbor and what we did to japanese-americans after pearl harbor, sending them to internment camps, we shouldn't be talking about repeating such history. it was a sad part of american history and we should never repeat it by targeting a group and thinking all of us are bad for some reason. >> saba ahmed. thank you for your time.
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i so appreciate you being with me this morning. >> thank you. much more ahead. this hour we head to san bernardino where investigators say syed farook may have started talking about an attack years ago. another day of rain in the pacific northwest causing mudslides like that one near portland. we'll get the latest on the extreme weather there bill karins later this hour. surprise!!!!! we heard you got a job as a developer! its official, i work for ge!! what? wow... yeah! okay... guys, i'll be writing a new language for machines so planes, trains, even hospitals can work better.
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turning now to san bernardino where federal officials say planning for last week's massacre began at least a year ago. in fact, a senior law enforcement official tells nbc syed farook may have started
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talking about an attack in 2012. nbc's blake mccoy is live in san bernardino with the latest. blake, good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you, josé. let's talk about the 28,500 loan payment made in the weeks before the attack. farook received a loan through an online lender for that aamou amount. law enforcement sources believe instead they were making preparation for grandma and the baby for after they were gone. this comes as we also know farook and his wife were seen at gun ranges, target practicing in the days, weeks and months before the attack. all of this adds up to premeditation, to some clear planning that took place. this was not a spontaneous attack. this new information this morning comes as we're hearing from some of the first responders for the first time. take a listen. >> i would be lying if i didn't say it wasn't difficult. walking up to those doors. i felt just emotionally just a
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ton of sorrow. in the pit of my stomach as i'm going in there. >> my body went numb. it was overwhelming and surreal. >> one of the worst things i ever had to experience in my entire career. it was terrible. >> i was hoping to go my whole career without seeing that. >> back here live at the site of the shooting, you can see a green fence behind me. this is new this morning and has been erected to keep peering eyes out as investigators continue their work. officials with the inland regional center say they do not expect to open until at least next year. and that's the other two buildings where this attack did not occur. the building where the actual attack occurred, the conference center, josé, is closed indefinitely. >> blake, just interesting that it all looks as though this guy had been planning to do something for a long time, as we've been reporting. but no idea or no suggestions yet as to what triggered this specific attack in this specific place.
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>> right. as we've been talking about all along, you know, there were thousands of rounds of ammunition, 19 pipe bombs found in this garage. only three of the pipe bombs were used here at the site. and they clearly didn't need that much ammunition here. so was there a bigger attack planned that we don't know about. that's a huge focus for investigators right now. and was this just a side attack. or maybe this was an attack that did spur a little more spontaneously but was going to be part of a bigger plot. >> blake mccoy. thank you very much. in a couple minutes defense secretary ash carter will sit down in front of the senate armed services committee testifying on anti-isis strategy for the second time in just over a week. joining me now, malcolm nance, executive director of the terror isometrics project. he has written a book "defeating isis." thank you for being with hee. >> good morning. >> ash carter testified special ops would be sent into syria and allowed to act unilaterally.
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will we see a slide toward more troop commitments overseas? >> i think the secretary has laid out that he has a very specific footprint that he wants to put over there right now which involves the -- bringing in several hundred more troops. but to do more offensive operations. we already have a pretty big foot print there right now with people who are doing training missions. we may need to expand the training mission in order for those forces, the iraqi, kurdish and other forces to link up with our special forces so they can do these very advanced and deep missions inside of syria. >> will they be able to do that? is there anybody else in the region that could do that job like the americans could do? >> there are some forces who have capability, however, it would require something a little more advanced. in my book i wrote that we need to create a pan-arab special operations task force who will marry up with u.s. special operations task forces.
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and then the very large contingent of arabs from the region can go in there and assist the ground forces of the kurds, the iraqi with far more capability than we can alone. >> who would be the leader in that pan-arab force? what would be the country that would take the lead on this? >> well, that would remain to be negotiated. a lot of the forces are tied up in yemen right now. but you already have -- you have interests from egypt and jordan, just there was a statement from president el sisi the other day saying that it's going to take a large international force to start rooting out isis. he seemed interested in that. but, of course, we already have our partners who are there. the iracy special forces are excellent. we just need to release those forces and get them out into the field. >> amnesty international released a report that found that, quote, a substantial portion of isis current military arsenal comprises weapons and equipment looted, captured or
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illicitly traded from poorly secured iraqi stocks sent from the united states. is that something to worry about. >> it's a little too late about getting weapons from the united states that we've sent over to iraq. for years we could see the iraqi arms market. they captured over 60,000 american rifles alone. taking the-second division headquarters in mosul. they have more than enough -- >> 60,000? >> 60,000. >> in one capture? >> yes, during the operations where they took mosul and chaam spiker. vehicles. hundreds of humvees. they're also supplying themselves with whatever they can get out there. it's isis. they can take what they want. >> thank you for being with me this morning. after the break we'll look at the other headlines making
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news this morning, including the house vote to tighten the visa waiver program. a little later on, who is "times" person of year? there was a wide range of candidates, as we mentioned earlier, it was not donald trump who took the title. we'll talk about "times" assistant managing editor about their choice of german chancellor angela merkel. take the zantac it challenge! pill works fast? zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. nexium can take 24 hours. when heartburn strikes, take zantac for faster relief than
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we'll continue to follow the fallout to donald trump's anti-muslim remarks. now one of the post popular home brands in the middle east is dumping trump. olivia sterns is here with the latest on that. good morning. >> already early signs that donald trump's controversial comments about banning muslims entering the u.s. could cost his business interests. according to the ceof landmark, one of the biggest retail companies in dubai, in the middle east, who partners with trump home, a line of home products, they are dropping donald trump. they say, quote, in light of the
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recent statements made by the presidential candidate in the u.s. media, we have suspended sale of all products from the trump decor home range. we know after donald trump's controversial comments about mexico it hurt some of his business ties with macy's and univision. it's early. but if anything like that happens this could hit him where it hits. josé. >> olivia. there is growing pressure on silicon valley as social media companies should do more in the fight against isis propaganda. >> as you know the internet and social media have become a critical battle ground in the fight against isis. we know extremists strategically exploit platforms like twitter, facebook and snap chat to spread propaganda and recruit would-be terrorists. according to a new report as many as 300 isis ambassadors are active on twitter who are based in the u.s. two lawmakers are calling on
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social media companies to do more and to report terrorist activities to law enforcement. they are a democratic senator dianne feinstein and republican senator richard burr. they introduced a bill yesterday that would require twitter, facebook and the like to report red flags to law enforcement. some, including democratic senator ron widen of oregon are opposing the bill saying, for one, social media companies shouldn't be the ones who get to decide, who get to draw the line between what qualifies merely as hate speech and what actually qualifies as extremism. but in a tweet feinstein says, quote, the bill does not criminalize prespeech. it requires warning of potential terrorist behavior. in his address to the nation on sunday president obama called on tech companies to do more to work with officials and house homeland security chairman michael mccall is working on a separate cyber security bill that would encourage businesses to share hacking threats with the government. all this, of course, puts u.s. tech companies in a very awkward
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spot, josé. as you know, they have long-standing policies in place to handle terror-related content and accounts and they work with authorities. but these companies say they are just simply inundated. facebook tells nbc news it works around the clock, quote, it remove any content that praises or supports terrorism. same message from twitter. saying violent threats and the promotion of terrorism deserve no place on twitter. youtube has removed 14 million videos last year alone. 14 million videos, josé. meantime, a group of hackers, you probably heard of them who have attacked the u.s. government in the past have actually joined the fight against isis. calling on the world to join the cyber fight. this friday they say, quote -- or have a listen. >> we want to retaliate. not with violence but with our intelligence about hacking. we will disrupt your systems. >> but josé, as we tried to disrupt isis, it's worth considering this. many of the suspected terrorists
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that we have in fact tracked or caught here in the u.s. we have done so precisely because we found them online. so we found them on these sites. if you push terrorists off social media it could also make it more difficult to know what they're up to. josé. >> olivia. thank you. u.s. house overwhelmingly passed legislation to overhaul the federal visa waiver program. the new program would require anyone who has travelled to iraq or syria in the past five years to obtain a visa before coming to the united states. the 38 countries in the program must also share information on extremists with the u.s. and will face expulsion if they don't. french officials identified the third gunman an the batacla concert hall in paris. a french national who left for syria in 2013 with a group of a dozen men from the same city. he was identified from a dna match with family members after
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his mother received a call from syria announcing the death of her son as a martyr. of the 130 people who died in paris nearly three-quarters died at the batacla. john kerry pointed out yesterday at the climate summit that while laws and regulations exist, enforcement is difficult. he hopes to address the issue through a cooperation of powers and satellite surveillance. epa chief gina mccarthy was in attendance. a new airport is bridging the gap between united states and mexico. an investor group built a terminal group in san diego with an overpass to tijuana. passengers cross the bridge which is a five-minute walk to the u.s. inspection area. 61% of tijuana's arrivals are passengers heading to the united states. we'll speak with one american mayor hoping to bar
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lives matter activist and donald trump. joining me now the assistant managing editor for time. good to see you. why merkel? >> you know, in a year where leaders were tested all over the world in all sorts of ways she rose to multiple challenges. economic challenges, strategic challenges and, of course, the migrant crisis. >> not everyone is convinced she should have received the honor. i guess that goes with having a list of people and just choosing one. >> we love that. >> listen to mark halperin on "morning joe" today. >> i'm 11% convinced. [ laughter ] >> she has been at the center of the issues around the world in terms of putin, in terms of refugees, in terms of the economy. i just think she has had great years where she has performed well and been extraordinarily influential. to me she has been a back-stage player this year. that's what i don't get. >> how would you respond to that, matt? has she been a back-stage
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player? >> in some ways, yes. but that's her leadership style. she leads from behind. she leads with consensus. she looks at polls. in the migrant crisis we have an example of breaking with her tradition and really embracing ideals of freedom, ideals of citizenship, of pluralism. and making a big decision. so yes and no. she leads from behind on some issues when that's strategic and she now has shown that she can get up front of an issue. >> if you look at what she's been involved in in the last year alone. the greek financial crisis was one of the most monumental things to hit europe in decades, and she was, you know, pretty tough on greece and was really the -- probably the guiding force of what we're seeing today. not that greece is fixed in any way, but she has been involved in some of the most decisions -- most difficult decisions of the last year. >> it's easy to forget that the
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european union is, you know, the world's largest economy, it has hundreds of millions of people. and the institution, although it is boring and a critic might say it's a series of endless meetings. it's kept peace in europe for 70 years. if you look at europe's history over the 6,000 preceding years there have been a lot of wars and a lot of wars that have drawn the world in. keeping it together, keeping the euro stable is a monumental achievement. it's worthy of recognition. >> yeah. talk to me about how -- what were the elements that you used to choose this person of the year? >> yeah. so we take lots of feedback. we ask previous persons of the year. we have endless debates. we fight with each other. we argue with one another. we try to convince each other. and ultimately it's up to the editor in chief of the magazine and the editors of "time." it's not an honorific. it's not an award. it's just a person who has influenced the world and news the most this year.
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we believe that's angela merkel this year. >> thank you matt fellows. we'll take a close look at the fear factor and how incidents like the terrorist attack in san bernardino and donald trump's rhetoric can turn into acts of anger. maybe even aggression toward muslims. we continue to watch capitol hill where defense secretary ash carter testifying before the senate armed services committee on u.s. strategy to defeat isis. we'll a talk much more about this coming up right here on msnbc.
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a number of mayors across the country are reacting to donald trump's proposal to ban muslims from entering the united states. one idea is ban trump from their cities. the mayor of st. petersburg sent out this tongue in cheek tweet on monday. quote, i am hereby barring donald trump from entering st. petersburg until we fully understand the dangerous threat posed by all trumps. joining me now is the mayor of
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st. petersburg, florida, rick kriseman. mayor, good to see you. >> good to see you too. thank you for having me on your show. >> thanks. so you say you make a ridiculous statement and you answer with a ridiculous statement. what's the reasoning behind this tweet? >> well, you know, i -- first off, the statement made by a candidate for president was incredibly offensive. it was ridiculous. in my mind the best way to answer something that's that ridiculous is with an equally ridiculous statement. so that's why i posted it. >> yeah. i mean, you can't bar him or anybody else from coming into your city. >> no. no, of course not. i'm lucky if i can bar my kids from their electronics. so no. >> if you're successful with that, let me know how you do it. this sentiment has been echoed by mayors from philadelphia and new york. what's the reaction you've received after this tweet? >> i've had mostly positive reaction to the degree of even having people on the phone that
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were crying thanking us for, you know, thanking me for making that kind of a tweet. of course, there are supporters of donald trump haven't been quite so kind and have actually taken the comments literally, which i find incredibly ironic when they're telling me, i can't bar trump from coming to st. pete but their candidate wants to bar an entire religion. >> what's your reaction to what's been going on? because look, certainly, you know, trump has touched a nerve with a lot of americans, and he certainly has the support of a lot of people, and you know, pretty consistent dogmatic support. what's your reaction to that? >> so i think what we're seeing here is a culmination of years of hatred toward our president that are coming together and manifesting themselves through a candidate who is willing to say anything to get elected. and he is tapping into that
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hatred. and that's sad. it's -- aside from the fact that his comments are unamerican, it's not who we are as a country. it certainly isn't who my city is. we are a city of opportunity where the sun shines on all. america was founded on opportunity for all. and so i find these comments totally un-american. >> mayor, thank you for being with me. i appreciate you being on. >> well, thank you. and thank you, again, for having me on the show. >> take care. concerns growing over the number of anti-muslim incidents occurring in the united states. according to a report issued by the council on american-islamic relations, the attacks in paris sparked a widespread backlash even though muslim groups have condemned the attacks and have condemned the terrorist attack in san bernardino. joining me now to break this coun. cal perry. what are some of the things that stood out to you. >> we've seen just in the past 24 hours some disgusting attacks. a mosque in philadelphia someone threw a full pig's head out the
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window. this is what we've heard from the attorney general that she is worried about. that speech will somehow turn violent. we want to show you. these are attacks against muslims in the u.s. over a two-week period after the prois attacks before san bernardino. there is not really any geographical rhyme or reason. it's across the country. three individual examples. first one here. clayton alexander put up on facebook that he was going to shoot up a mosque. he was arrested after he posted emanue images of himself cocking his gun back and forth. the next one. he mocks the fbi online for losing track of him in his travels. he has put a variety of threats and videos online. finally a mosque in manassas, this is a location, not a person. a few hours outside of washington, d.c. they received a slew of phone calls after the attacks in paris. one of them voice mail messages
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said if any jews are killed in the attack we'll come and shoot up mosques. this is something the fbi is becoming more concerned about. in the wake of the donald trump comments this is something that ca ir is very concerned about. >> right now there have been no actual increases -- there hasn't been an increase in anybody actually being hurt. >> no. most of the sort of anti-islamic rhetoric that we're seeing online that's transitioning onto the street is like what we saw yesterday in philadelphia. we're not seeing violent attacks but we are seeing this sort of disturbing trend. >> threats are never good. but it's important to, you know -- it is very dangerous when people start threatening violence to take these very seriously. hey, cal, thank you for being with me. appreciate it. >> thank you. the already soggy pacific northwest is getting ready for another storm.
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the reality is we're at war. that's how our troops feel about it, because they're taking the fight to isil every day. applying the might of the finest fighting force the world has ever known. in northern syria, local forces with our support are fighting along the line engaging isil in the last remaining pocket of access into turkey. meanwhile, a coalition of syrian arabs that we helped equip in northeastern syria are fighting alongside kurdish forces and have recaptured important terrain most recently pushing isil out of the town of al hah, and at least 900 square kilometers of surrounding territory. they're now focused on moving south to isolate isil's so-called capital of raqqah with the ultimate objective of
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collapsing its control over the city. to build on that, president obama, on my and chairman dunford's advice, ordered u.s. special operations forces to go into syria to support the fight against isil. american special operators bring a unique set of capabilities that make them force multipliers such as intelligence gathering, targeting, and enabling local forces. where we find further opportunity to leverage such capability we will not hesitate to expand it. next, in the south of syria, we're also taking advantage of opportunities to enable indigenous fighters trained and equipped by us and other coalition partners to conduct strikes inside syria. we're also enhancing jordan's border control and defenses with additional military assets and planning assistance. turning to northern iraq,
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peshmerga units with the help of u.s. air power and advisors have retaken the town of sinjar cutting the main line of communication between raqqah and mosul, the two largest cities under isil's control. to move people and supplies, isil must now rely on back roads where we will locate and destroy them. elsewhere in iraq, we have about 3,500 troops at six locations in support of iraqi security forces. there, we've been providing increased lethal fire and augmenting the existing training, advising, and assist being program. and we're prepared to do more as iraq shows capability and motivates in the counter-isil fight and in resolving its political divisions. after a frustratingly long time, we are starting to see some movement in the operation to
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recapture ramadi. over the past several months the coalition has provided specialized training and equipment, including combat engineering techniques like in-stride breaching and bull doizing, and munitions like at-4 shoulder-fired missiles to stop truck bombs. both to the iraqi army and its counterterrorism service units that are now beginning to enter ramadi neighborhoods from multiple directions. in fact, in the last 24 hours the isf retook the anbar operations center on the northern bank of the euphrates river across from ramadi's city center. this is an important step but there's still tough fighting ahead. isil has counter attacked several times, but thus far the isf has shown resilience. the united states is prepared to assist the iraqi army with additional unique capabilities to help them finish the job, including attack helicopters and accompanying advisors if circumstances dictate and if
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requested by prime minister abadi. i mention all this because it represents how we've adapted in the way we support our iraqi partners and it shows that training, advising, and assisting helps. and works. we will do more of what works going forward. while we're focused on making additional tactical gains, the overall progress in the sunni populated areas of iraq has been slow, much to prime minister's abadi's and our frustration. indeed, with respect to sunni tribal forces, we are urging the iraqi government to do more to recruit, train, arm, mobilize, and pay sunni popular mobilization fighters in their communities. we continue to engage the iraqi community to move forward on this critically important aspect of the counter isil campaign, including working with sunni
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local police to ensure that there's an iraqi hold force to sustain future gains. next, in full coordination again with the government of iraq, we're deploying a specialized expeditionary targeting force to assist the isf and kurdish peshmerga forces and put even more pressure on isil through a variety of raids and intelligence gathering missions. this force will also be in a position to conduct unilateral operations in syria. in iraq, the force will operate at the invitation of the iraqi government and focus on defending its borders and building the isf's ability to conduct similar operations. we will not be discussing specifics of this expeditionary targeting force or its operations in unclassified settings, both to protect our forces and to preserve the element of surprise. we want this expeditionary targeting force to make isil and its leaders wonder when they go to bed at night who's going to
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be coming in the window. chairman dunford and i recognize that in principle, there are alternatives to the strategic approach we have adopted to drive isil from syrian and iraqi territory, including the introduction of a significant foreign ground force. hypothetically, international, but including u.s. forces. even in the absence of capable motivated local ground forces, while we certainly have the capability to furnish a u.s. component to such a ground force, we have not recommended this course of action for several reasons. in the near term, it would be a significant undertaking that much as we may wish otherwise, realistically we would embark upon largely by ourselves. and it would be ceding our comparative advantage of special forces, mobility and firepower instead fighting on the enemy's terms. in the medium term, by seeming
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to americanize the conflicts in iraq and syria, we could well turn those fighting isil who are inclined to resist their rule into fighting us instead. as chairman dunford testified last week, "isil would love nothing more than a large presence of u.s. forces on the ground in iraq and syria so that they could have a call to jihad." and lastly, in the long term, there would still remain the problem of securing and governing the territory. these must be done by local forces. so in the end, while we can enable them, we cannot substitute for them. next, momentum on the ground, i've described, in both syria and iraq has been enabled by greatly increased coalition air strikes. additional strike aircraft we've deployed to the airbase in turkey, along with improved intelligence, allowed us this november to significantly increase our air strikes against
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isil to the highest level since the start of our operations in august 2014. moreover, because of improved intelligence and understanding of isil's operations, we've intensified the air campaign against isil's war sustaining oil enterprise, a critical pillar of isil's financial infrastructure. in addition to destroying fixed facilities like wells and processing facilities, we've destroyed nearly 400 of isil's oil tanker trucks, reducing a major source of its daily revenues. there's more to come, too. we're also improving our capability to eliminate isil's leadership. since i last appeared before this committee in late october, we have removed two more key isil figures from the battlefield, namely jihadi john, a an isil executioner, an abu nabil, isil's leader in libya.
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like previous actions, these strikes serve notice to isil that no target is beyond our reach. and as our military campaign intensifies on the ground and in the air, the defense department is also developing more strategic options in the cyber domain. these then are just nine areas of the adaptations we've made over the past six weeks to accelerate this campaign and to see momentum build. president obama is committed to doing what it takes as opportunities arise as we see what works and as the enemy adapts until isil is defeated in a lasting way. the president has consistently supported the recommendations from me and general dunford. and we know he is prepared for us to bring him more, and we will. at the same time that we're constantly looking to do more in this fight, the world must do
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the same. the international community, including our allies and partners, has to step up before another attack like paris. france was galvanized by the attack on its capital. and intensified its role. britain has now expanded its air campaign to strike isil in syria. italy has deployed its most elite police units to assist in iraq. germany is now making additional contributions. in the netherlands, they're actively considering doing more as well. but we all -- let me repeat that -- all must do more. turkey must do more to control its often porous border. saudi arabia and the gulf states joined the air portion of the campaign in the early days, only the air part, but have since been preoccupied by the conflict in yemen, both in the air and on the ground. and just this past week, i
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personally reached out to my counterparts in 40 countries around the world in the coalition and asked them to contribute more, in many cases contribute much more, to enhancing the fight against isil. the types of things i've requested from our partners include special operations forces, strike and reconnaissance aircraft, weapons and munitions, training assistance, and other items. meanwhile, as the chairman noted, russia are, which is publicly committed to defeating isil, has instead largely attacked opposition forces. it's time for russia to focus on the right side of this fight. before i conclude, i'd like to respectfully request the committee's attention to matters that bear upon our security and its responsibilities. first, over a month ago, i submitted a request to the four
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congressional defense committees, including this one, to release holds on the final tranche of funds in the syria equipping program, that is some $116 million. we need these funds to provide and transport ammunition, weapons and other equipment to further enable the progress being made against isil in syria by partners like the syrian-arab coalition. all four committees have failed to act on that request and i ask you to release these holds urgently. we should not be impeding the very momentum we are trying to build. next is the necessity to fill key vacancy's in the partnership's leadership commissions. i've appeared before this committee six times in the last four months, twice on the middle east and twice in just the last six weeks on isil, while this committee has held 58 full hearings over the last year,
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only three have been confirmation hearings for dod civilian leaders. dod currently has 16 nominees awaiting the constitutional advice and consent of the senate. 12 of these 16 are still awaiting even a hearing, including our nominees to be secretary of the army, the under secretaries of each of our three military departments, army, navy, and air force, and the under secretaries of both intelligence and personnel and readiness. these positions should be filled by confirmed nominees especially in a time of conflict. so i welcome that the process is now moving and i urge it to move quickly for all of our civilian nominees and also for our senior military nominations that will be made early next year. finally, as i conclude, i want to commend this committee on last month's budget deal which is the kind of deal i called for
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back in march. it was a consequential agreement for the nation's security. as current funding for the government is set to expire, it is vital that the two houses now conclude work on funding all of the government consistent with the budget deal. now is not the time for more gridlock. i thank this committee in advance for your efforts because funding this budget deal is what our national security demands and it sends the right message to our troops, our allies, and our enemies in this time of broad global national security challenges, and especially in this war. thank you. >> thank you, mr. chairman. in response, mr. secretary, in response to your last two points, one on the funding, we just received that request last week, but you know very well it's a result of the absolute failure of the expenditure of what was judged then to be $43
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million and four or five people were trained. we don't want to approve of something like that again. we want to -- if you want that kind of funding to train and equip, we want to know what the plan is and we don't want to see a repetition of testimony by the head of central command who said, well, we have four or five less and we've spent $43 million. we have an obligation, taxpayers. on the nominees, there's four pending before the united states senate today and there is four more who will be having hearings this afternoon which takes care of half of yours. i'm not going to waste the time of the committee to go back and forth about threats of vetoes that, in the view of the majority of this committee, were totally unjustified on the part of the president and including the failure still -- still, despite your appearance in my office, with the president's counterterrorism person, that you were going to send me a plan. you were going to send this committee a plan on the closure
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of guantanamo. we still haven't gotten that plan, mr. secretary. so if you're a little bit concerned about lack of movement, i've been a little concerned about a lack of movement on guantanamo for the last seven years. so i will do what i can to get the four that are pending before the senate today confirmed by the senate, and i will -- we will be having a hearing this afternoon on the four additional ones. so -- >> thank you, mr. chairman. appreciate that. >> mr. secretary, on the 1st of december before the house armed services committee, congressman forbes asked general dunford, "have we current will i contained isil?" general dunford -- "we have not contained isil." mr. secretary, do you agree with general dunford? >> i agree with what general dunford said, yes. >> so if we have not contained isil, how are we to believe that
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we are succeeding against isil? >> i think that we are building momentum against isil. i'm going to be very careful about describing the -- i've described the trajectory of that success all around iraq and syria. some actions we're taking in libya. it's not my principle responsibility but i met yesterday with the secretary of homeland security, the director of the fbi, the director of national intelligence and other officials to talk about what we could do more to strengthen the defense of the homeland as the department of defense. but in our principle responsibility which is to take the fight to syria and iraq i've described the actions that we've taken just since i appeared here last time and i think they are building momentum. >> thank you. how long do you think it will be before we retake mosul or raqqah? >> with respect to mosul, mr.
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chairman, it is hard to say because it -- that depends much on the progress of the iraqi security forces which i described in building themselves in to a more capable combat force. with respect to ramadi -- >> raqqah. >> oh. raqqah. well, raqqah, there, the -- you noted this yourself, mr. chairman -- the syrian kurds to the north have done an excellent job of clearing their territory. we're in with the syrian-arabs -- >> we're not going to go into raqqah, and you and i know that. >> oh, they're not going to go to raqqah, no, no, no. it would be the syrian-arabs. >> i guess the point is, mr. secretary, here we are with attacks on the homeland of the united states of america, we have not contained isil, and we have no timeline. the timeline i was given when senator graham and i went over there was at least the end of next year before mosul, and there is no plan, no strategy, to retake raqqah.
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and i think it is pretty obvious to all that as long as they have the caliphate base, they can orchestrate attacks such that they've successfully achieved in the last several weeks, whether ankara, the airliner, southern beirut, paris or san bernardino. so here we are with a -- and you described some measures that are probably very helpful but with no timeline of which to take out the caliphate from which there are many things happening, including, according to news reports, developing chemical weapons. so this is why i'm really puzzl puzzled. this morning on one of the news shows, former head of the united states of the army, chief of staff of the united states army, general odierno said we ought to have american contingental
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troops on the ground. i don't understand the logic in your statement. you certainly have a capability to furnish a u.s. component in such a grund force, we've not recomme recommended because it would be a significant undertaking. i agree. we'd have to do it largely by ourself. i do not agreed. >> it would be ceding our comparative advantage? and the meaning -- and the medium term, it would seem to americanize the conflicts. does anybody really believe that if the united states struck back against the people that just slaughtered some americans in san bernardino, that somehow that would encourage them? what encourages them, mr. secretary, is success. and they have a pretty serious record here of success just in the last several -- couple months since you were here. so i do not understand why in the world you wouldn't want, as general keen, the architect of
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the successful surge, and others, military leaders, including this morning former chief of staff of the united states army, a small component of american forces with an international force which could be, if the united states had the credibility, could be gathered and then go in and take out this caliphate. as long as the caliphate -- i know of no expert who doesn't believe that as long as this caliphate exists in raqqah, they're going to be able to orchestrate attacks. and metastasize, and maybe even move to libya. so maybe you can help the committee out again that this would somehow cede a comparative advantage in we went in with a large arab force, the turks and egyptians even and other sunni nations, and go in there and take those people out? there's 20,000 to 30,000 of them. they are not giants. but -- finally, someone's going to have to convince me that air
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power alone and special operations forces are going to succeed in the short term in order to prevent further things such as san bernardino. i'd love to hear your response. >> a couple of things, mr. chairman. first of all, to your main point about more american forces, i would say special forces, but others as well that train, advise, assist and accompany, they're not special forces, we are -- >> i was talking about a multi-national force. >> well, there, mr. chairman, as i indicated, i, too, wish that particularly the sunni-arab nations of the gulf would do more. and going way back -- >> they are willing to do so, if there is a united states commitment. >> i've had lengthy conversations -- >> and so have i. >> -- with representatives there. i have to say that i have consistently emphasized to them that they have a unique role
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here. and, also, insofar as they're concerned about iran, which is another concern they have -- and by the way, that we have, also. totally different, but serious subject, also -- that what i've emphasized to them is that we don't like it, but the iranians are in the game on the ground and we very much would like and would very much welcome -- we've repeatedly said this -- working with those countries on the ground because, as you noted, they would have a distinctive advantage in a ground fight. with respect to the europeans, the europeans have, generally speaking, offered to do more within their capabilities and capacities. i will note here -- and this is uneven across europe.
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but in general, i am quite concerned with the level of investment that europe is making in its militaries and its alliance and partnership therefor with the united states. there is much more that their economies would enable them to do and that their history as standing up for the same kind of civilized values that we stand up with really require of them. so while we're getting more from the europeans, and i indicated i've asked for more, i'd like there to be still more. so in that sense, i completely am with you. i simply on the basis of my urgent and persistent consultations with them am le less -- have less high hopes perhaps than you that they would
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assemble such force. we would certainly welcome that. with that, i also don't want to -- >> could i just say that i urgently and fervently ask you for a strategy that you can tell us when we're going to take mosul, whether we're going to take raqqah, and when we're going to wipe out this caliphate. frankly, i have not seen that. general, did you want to add anything? >> so i would add three points. first, agree completely that defending the homeland is our top priority. second, taking the fight -- >> that's helpful. >> -- taking the fight to the caliphate is what is going on today in iraq and syria. the combination of increasing the momentum with the movements in iraq in baji, as well as ramadi -- >> again, general, there's no timeline for mosul and raqqah which is the base of the caliphate. >>sir, the fight on the ground defines the progress we will make on the caliphate.
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we have put significant pressure on northern syria. with syrian air coalition partners have taken significant ground in the north and the east of syria. they are using the equipment that we have provided to put pressure on isil's main lines of communication between raqqah and mosul mosul. to provide a timeline would deny the fact that the enemy on the ground gets a vote but they do not have freedom of that maneuver. >> general, they were just able to orchestrate an attack in san bernardino, california. my time is long ago expired. senator reid. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. mr. secretary, we will all come to the conclusion we need american forces on the ground. the question very generically is how many and what are they going to do. this is a unique situation, but we've got some analogies, or at
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least examples. one in enduring freedom we sent in specialized teams of u.s. personnel and air power together with local forces were able to disru disrupt, and then ultimately defeat the taliban. in iraqi freedom, we sent in conventional forces. we weren't very swift and brilliant conventional victory, then were confronted with instability and counterinsurgents. you're tending to favor the former model which would be to have specialized troops in there with our air power, et cetera, and that the constraining factor right now is to local indigenous forces on the ground, particularly arab forces, not kurdish forces but arab forces. i'm told there's about 100 new syrian fighters that have been trained that are on ground that are the potential. can you elaborate on those comments? >> i can.
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first with respect to the afghan experience, i agree with your general analysis of the history of those two. that was a circumstance in 2001 and 2002 where we were able very rapidly and extremely effectively to leverage a pre-existing indigenous force, namely largely the northern alliance, which we had over the previous decade or so built up in order to fight the soviets. and they actually succeeded in expelling the soviets from afghanistan. that force, that organization and other organizations of the so-called mujahadin in those days, we could quickly link up with again. and by providing them enabling exactly in this manner, they would advance. that would cause the taliban to expose their positions and we could cream them from the air. and so that was a perfect example -- ideal.
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we'd like to replicate that of course, in this current circumstance in syria and iraq we're having to build those forces and they don't exist in the same way that they did in the northern alliance. with respect to the new syrian forces, that gets back to the funding issue. we did change our approach to training and equipping syrian forces. our early experience there was disappointing. i've said that -- i always told you i'm going to be very honest about things. that didn't work out very well because we were trying to build units from scratch. and the new approach, and by the one we're asking you to fund -- i'm willing to send up a team today to brief you further on what we're looking for, but we really need this agility if we're going to fight a war so i'd plead with you to take briefings or whatever. we have a reason for requesting this money. it's different from the old program. we learned our lesson. we're doing something different, which is this -- we're taking
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units that have already formed and have undertaken to combat isil. the syrian-arab coalition is an example of that. instead of trying to recruit a brand-new force, then put them -- including by being on the ground with them, but especially equipping them and providing them with air power, amplifying their power, and we hope -- this gets to the chairman's question about a timeline for raqqah -- the -- that if we make them successful as we move further south -- now remember, these are syrian-arabs. not kurds. the chairman rightly noted wouldn't be appropriate for us to attack largely arab raqqah. that they and their success will build, so to speak, a snowball that accumulates more fighters as they go. as that accumulates and there are more of them, we'll do more to fall in behind them with the
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objective then of them taking raqqah which would be a very important victory in the heart of isil territory. >> thank you. general, quickly, the command arrangements. general mcfarland is now the joint commander with operational control both in iraq and syria, i understand. are you satisfied and general dunford satisfied that you have the best framework for command now to integrate all of the dod elements and ancillary elements you need? >> yes, sir. the joint task force command structure in baghdad that covers both iraq and syria is more than adequate to cover the military maneuver that's required and to orchestrate the forces that are required and has the support of central command's headquarters as an oversight and supporting headquarters. >> and they have the flexibility to make critical decisions in a timely way without
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second-guessing up and down the line? >> yes, sir. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i appreciate your remarks. there's a great deal of frustration, secretary carter, and concern that we're drifting and reacting and not -- don't have the kind of plan that will lead to success, number one. number two, i understand now the president says he wants an authorization of force, but because of the difficulties and bungling, i think, that we've seen so far, we're going to have to know what you're going to do, how you are going to do it, how it is going to be successful. that is not clear. it is not clear to the american people. it's not clear to congress. not clear to our european allies. our allies in the middle east or our enemies. that's a problem we've got. it just is very real. secondly, i think that secretary
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gates was correct to say we need an overarching strategy for this whole deal with islamic extremism and maybe 20, 30, 50 years. we've used the word "containment" to deal with that. however, that does not mean that in the long-term strategy of containment of extremism that we don't have to act decisively and militarily now. i just think -- i shared with you that we're -- i believe the defense department is underestimating the significance of the refugee crisis, the impact it's having in europe, the impact it's having in the united states, what's happening from all this disorder and the flee of human beings and the deaths being caused and the humanitarian disaster that's out there. so it seems to me, does it not to you, that a prompt, decisive
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action to create safe zones in syria where people don't have to flee their home country, can be kept safe there, would be positive as a matter of humanity, and as a military possibility. >> thank you, senator. i'll begin including on the safe zones, then perhaps ask the vice chairman, he's done a lot of work on that as well. i'll just note with respect to the amf that we have the -- i'm not a lawyer, but i'm told, and i'm glad, otherwise it would be a problem, we have the authority, legal authority, to do what we want to do and the amf, as i have testified that the president submitted would also allow us to do everything we need to do in this campaign. >> just don't blame congress for not rubber-stamping it immediately if we don't understand -- >> it's okay, i didn't even
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mention it for just that reason. you're right. and i associate myself with you about acting decisively. i do recognize that there may be decades of combating radicalism in general, but we need to go after isil and its parent tumor in iraq and syria now and urgently. so i associate myself with that point of view. refugees is a tragic matter. by the way, just a reminder that only about half of the refugees are actually from syria. they're also, importantly, from libya, from afghanistan, from throughout africa, and while there are women and children caught up in this circumstance, the great bulk of them are young people, mostly male, and
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professional oriented who are looking for work. that's why german companies are at at train station recruiting them off the trains for their companies. that's the reality. but what does that mean for the countries from which they come? it is a tremendous talent drain, as well as a humanitarian issue. all the more reason why particularly in syria -- that's the major part of the refugee crisis -- we have to get an end to the civil war there and get a government that can govern decently, and assad's government is not that. with respect to safe zones, we have thought about that, i've certainly thought about that a great deal. i'll begin and describe the concept of a safe zone would be to create a patch of syria that wherein people who are inclined to go there could go there and be protected. they would need to be protected because you can foresee that at
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least isil and other radical groups -- and quite possibly elements of the assad regime -- would undertake to prove that it wasn't safe. and so it would have to be made safe. and that takes us back to the question of what's an appropriate force of that size to protect a zone of that size. in our estimates, it's substantial. and again, i don't see much as i wish otherwise, anybody offering to furnish that for us. i also think we have thought about who might want to reside in such a zone. i think it would be undesirable if it became a place in to which people were pushed, say from turkey or europe, expelled, so to speak, into this zone. i don't know what the people who now live in the zone would think about other people coming in to the zone. that would have to be taken into account. and whether other people want to live there. we have thought about it, it's
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complicated. we have not recommended that because it is an undertaking of substantial scale where, in my judgment, costs outweigh the benefits. let me ask general -- >> before you answer, a major european ambassador told me that the europeans have recommended that and the united states has said no. is that correct? >> no european defense leader has indicated a willingness to do that and contribute to a force to do that. >> i asked him twice. i said, so you've recommended that and the united states is the one saying no? and that's what he said. yes. >> i haven't observed that, no. >> thank you. if you would -- >> that's a senate hearing right now, secretary ash carter and others very interesting the amount of information they had to share with us this morning.
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with me now, ambassador wendy sherman, the former undersecretary for political affairs. ambassador, thank you for being with me. >> good to be with you. >> lots to talk about. among the things that the secretary ash carter said is that isis is yet to be contained. they don't even have it contained. >> well, i think what we just heard was a very serious discussion and it actually is quite a contrast from some of the bombastic language we've heard over the last few days, particularly out of nominees for the republican nomination led by trump by not by trump alone. what we heard here today is what is our military strategy. i think that secretary carter was very forthright about what we're doing, how we're seeking to accelerate the pace, increase the momentum, make sure that we can deal with mosul, deal with ramadi, and deal with raqqah as chairman mccain pointed out.
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he talked about the importance of building the coalition. we can't do this alone. in fact, if we try to do this alone, it would create a backlash among muslims and give the jihadis exactly what they are looking for here and that is a jihad against the west. so we don't want to go down that road and i think secretary carter and the vice chairman of the joint chiefs of staff laid out all of the elements that are on the table, that are being pursued. this is tough. this is very difficult. but what they didn't do, and what is so critical here, is not to alienate the entire muslim world. all of the members of the u.s. senate were pointing out how we need to build a coalition, particularly among sunni-arabs. sunni-arabs are muslims. and so we have to make sure that our rhetoric does not say to the world that we have a fight
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against islam. we do not have a fight against islam. so whether it's donald trump who is saying we should keep all muslims out of the united states, or ted cruz who's trying to parse this in some way, or carson who is saying that in fact no muslims should be president, we have to be very clear that the enemy here are nihalist murderers, not the islam religion. we need to focus on a diplomatic strategy. >> secretary carter talked about the 40 countries that are taking part in this international coalition. he's also saying that countries like turkey haven't been stepping up. saudi arabia have not been stepping up. gulf states have not been stepping up. he talks about russia that has been bombing in syria but they've been bombing, according to the secretary, not isis strongholds but rather allies of these countries in the coalition. so since august of 2014, we've
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been bombing there. yet, isis is not yet contained. do you think there is a strong enough policy to deal with something that, as chairman mccain said, has been pretty effective? i'm talking about isis in the russian plain, in lebanon with be in france, possibly even in san bernardino? >> look, we all share the anxiety and the fear that we all have that we are not going to be able to stop attacks on the homeland. and i understand, and understand completely as an american citizen the anxiety that is raised out of what just happened in san bernardino and what has happened in paris and elsewhere in the world. but what we have to focus on is how to build the coalition efforts. how to build both the diplomatic and the military efforts and the recruitment efforts to stop this effort at building a caliphate that is sustainable and what you
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heard -- it's going to take some time. but what you heard from vice chairman silva is that isil no longer has the ability to do whatever it wants to do whenever it wants to do it. you heard secretary of defense carter talk about taking out the oil, talking about pushing back the effort by isil. this is a long-term ground game, and we do need our coalition partners to put forces on the ground. we do need the united states senate to fund the new train and equip efforts so that we can help moderate syrian forces to deal with this. we do need to continue the training that we've been doing with the iraqi army so that not only the kurds but the iraqi army itself can take the fight to the enemy here. this is multi-front effort and it takes a very, very serious discussion. which is what i think we were just listening to with the united states senate. >> no doubt.
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interesting that the secretary would talk about iran. he said that iran is on the ground, it's a major player and we don't like it one bit. that was the secretary's statement. i know you've been involved in the past in the iran nuclear deal. iran is -- just had a missile test just recently. do you see that as a concern? >> well, certainly. and you heard ambassador power at the u.n. say that we've taken this up very seriously with the security council, that we are taking this incredibly seriously, and that we are looking at it -- >> what does that mean, taking it seriously? >> well, we will take it to the security council for sanctions if we believe that that's the appropriate avenue. i am not part of that investigation right now because i'm outside of government, but i have no doubt that if we believe this is a violation of the u.n. security council resolution, and it appears to be so, that we will take the appropriate steps and will ask the security council to do so. i think what we all need to
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focus on here is the strategy moving forward, the acceleration of that strategy. we've heard former secretary clinton call for an acceleration of that strategy, that we look at what it will take for a safe zone or a no-fly zone, that we increase our taking out of the enemy at a more rapid pace. you heard secretary carter talk about that this morning. we see that president obama's going to be holding a summit to intensify our efforts to stop the financial support for isil. we need to work with social media. we need to work with the technology companies on encryption to make sure that we can know what's going on in the social media world, in the internet world. this is a multi-faceted effort and that's what we need to be focused on, not focused on trying to alienate all of islam in the world. they are the folks that are our partners in this, they are the for exthat need to be on the
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ground as forces supported by our forces and our unique capabilities, supported by the air campaign. but really we need to hold not only donald trump but every republican nominee to the test of whether the only rights they are protecting are those of christians as some have suggested that there be a test that we protect christians who are facing genocide but not muslims who are facing genocide. more muslims have been killed by isil than any other religion. >> and as we stand here this morning, isil continues its bloodletting in places like syria, iraq and other countries, and the syrian regime continues to be fighting against its own people and just today, migrants drowned off coast of greece trying to get out of that hell
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talk to your doctor and visit humira.com this is humira at work tidal wave of bipartisan backlash. democrats and republicans slamming the gop front-runner for his plans to ban muslims from entering the united states. let me bring in msnbc host and political correspondent steve kornacki. steve, good morning. so criticism piling on? >> it certainly is, jose. part of the criticism i think reflects nervousness especially among republicans that we've seen so many instances like this before where donald trump says something that everybody says is over the line, and it never seems to bring his poll numbers down. this is what the republicans who are nervous about trump. let me show you what they're up against. latest poll numbers, this came out just last night. this is not going to measure really the effect of his comments, calling for a ban on muslims coming in to this country, but again, in new
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hampshire, look at this. first in the nation state. donald trump more than doubling up the second place candidate marco rubio. jeb bush way back. look at that, all these candidates who are taking shots at trump who are calling him irresponsible, who's been calling him irresponsible, they are not getting traction in new hampshire. iowa, a slightly different story. keep in mind how conservative, how religious the electorate is in iowa. story out there is that ted cruz has been giving donald trump a run for his money. one poll has cruz ahead of trump, another has trump on top, the other is a tie. we say there is all this pile-on going on, criticisms and attacks on trump across the board. ted cruz is the exception to the rule. ted cruz is the republican who said very politely, i disagree with donald trump, but i like donald trump, i'm not going to get in any kind of fight with donald trump. ted cruz is the one guy not criticizing donald trump and
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he's the one doing very well out here in iowa. if you want to look at who this is resonating with, what republicans who want to stop trump are up against, here is the divide between those who have college degrees and those who don't. half the party has college degrees, half the party doesn't. the non-college half of the party, trump is cleaning up with them. look at this. 46% for donald trump. nearly half of republicans without college degrees are for trump with all those candidates to choose from. with college degrees, donald trump falls to fourth place. that's a big difference. i think this surprises a lot of people, when you think of trump the things he says, you think he's appealing to the far right, this is a candidate to the far right of the republican party but not what the numbers say. donald trump does very well with conservative voters, 25% he polls in there. he's also getting 25% with somewhat conservative voters. and he's doing even better --
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31% -- with those who call themselves moderates. donald trump is defying a lot of conventional wisdom about politics and the politics of the republican party right now. >> steve, we're getting word here -- i want to play this. this is apparently just occurring. mr. frutrump is talking about t possibility of running as an independent. >> the people, the republican party, has been -- the people have been phenomenal. party, i'll let you know about that. if i don't get treated fairly, i would certainly consider that. in fact, they did a poll in one of the -- i think it was "usa today" where it said 68% of the people who were republicans would follow trump if he went independent. i don't want to do that. >> so, steve, he has said this in the past but he i think likes to kind of remind people. >> well, he holds it out there. this poll he's talking about says 68% of his supporters say if he bolts the republican party, he runs as an
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independent, they go with him, they vote with him. that is unusual loyalty. you don't see that for a lot of these candidates and that's another complication for republicans who want to stop trump. they have to keep that in mind and they have to consider that. if they attack him too hard or go after him in a way that really ticks him off and he follows through on that, maybe he doesn't win the election as a third party candidate, but if he takes that 68% of his supporters or anywhere near it with him, republicans aren't going to beat hillary clinton in the fall of 2016. >> yeah. it's all about -- he keeps saying if i don't get treated fairly, and i guess he's the only one that determines what treated fairly would mean. >> right. this is one of those moments where he's saying there is a pile-on going on here. you have candidates who are calling him -- jeb bush calling him unhinged, comments like that, you could see trump turning around and saying, hey, i said treat me fairly. i'll stay loyal to the party but they didn't keep their end of the deal. >> thank you very much. so donald trump's comments are getting traction pretty much
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around the world. this morning british are finance minister george osbourne filling in for prime minister david cameron dismissed calls for trump to be banned from the uk. that was twwhat a petition was asking for. >> frankly, donald trump's comments fly in the face of the founding principles of the united states and it is one of the reasons why those founding principles have produced such an inspiration to so many people over the last couple of hundred years. and i think the best way to defeat isis is to engage in a robust democratic debate and make it very clear that his views are not welcome. >> nbc's keir simmons is live in london with more. good morning. so trump's words are really resonating elsewhere? >> yeah. what you are hearing there was prime minister's questions -- happens once a week in the house of commons. two normally be the prime minister david cameron. instead, this week it is george osbourne, the chancellor of the equivalent of the treasury
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secretary but basically the second-most powerful man in britain. he really is the prime minister's right-hand man. you'll know that those prime minister's questions are known for having pretty robust views expressed. but i don't think i have ever heard a gop candidate talked about in those terms, profoundly wrong, nonsense views, george osbourne said. that you have to pinch yourself really, because britain, after all, views itself as the closest ally to the united states. to be saying something like that about the leading republican candidate in the house of commons is pretty stunning. meanwhile, there is a petition downing street has an ability to have the people uphold a petition. 200,000 people have said in this petition said they would like to see donald trump banned from prt
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the uk. the prime minister making it clear that isn't going to happen. >> there is a chicago city meeting previously planned and some folks apparently have been storming it. that's where mayor rahm emanuel has just spoken at a special city council meeting. he convened to address the trust and confidence crisis in the chicago police department. this is happening right now live. listen in for a second. lynn, what's happening there? >> they're on the fifth floor of the chicago city hall. it is kind of a free speech square. people can come and gh in the hall as they like and this has been an increasingly focal point of protest against rahm emanuel who just a short time ago finally said i'm sorry in a speech before the entire city
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council. >> he apologized for what has happened not only with mr. mcbut other cases in it the past? >> right. i think this is meant to be kind of an inclusive apology for police misconduct and the handling of the late est controversy, to say the least, that was sparked by the public release of a video showing a police officer shooting 16 times into a 17-year-old youth running away from officers and this triggered the justice department on monday opening a civil rights probe into the entire chicago police department. historic, sweeping, significant. rahm is in a lot of trouble. there isn't exactly a recall or impeachment provision within city law right now, so there's pressure on him and the cook county state's attorney, anita alvarez, to resign.
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that's the protest that you are seeing right now. lot of frustration. >> he fired the police chief saying that the police chief had become a distraction. clearly there are a lot of other folks that feel that that wasn't the only distraction. >> well, rahm has become a focal point. part of what you see is he doesn't have a constituency out there that's defending him. if he were in trouble and had somebody speaking out for him, that would help. he's shouldering the entire burden of this controversy himself and he is very much a lightning rod. now he was just re-elected earlier this year so he has three years to go. the person who's in big political trouble is the local prosecutor, cook countyanita al. the primary is in march. i don't see her resigning since the election is so soon. >> lynn, that leads me to the question that i've had folks from chicago on in the past that
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have kind of mentioned this, the fact that the shooting -- mr. mcdonald's shooting was from 2014, then for the entire year -- it's been a year since that videotape, police have had it and it wasn't released until the day before the officer was indicted just a couple of weeks ago. is it part of a perception of people that precisely the election was more important to officials than the truth? >> the conventional wisdom is that the motion might have been in play. when you look at the timeline, you see how events unfolded. city council approved a $5 million settlement to the family, which hadn't even filed a lawsuit, just days after the election, which does give rise in political circles to talk about was this a cover-up. now i don't mean necessarily in
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a legal term cover-up, but in conversation when people want to say, what's going on with the mayor. and also, what is going on with the city council members who approved this settlement and never were inquisitive enough to say what was on that video? >> so they apparently -- so they approved this settlement allegedly without seeing the videotape that would have really been pretty clear why they probably should have accepted it. >> and if you read the transcript of the hearing where the city lawyer briefed them, you do hear description, well, the city police say that this, and the family says that. so to compound this, the city on friday released documents that showed that the police official version of that event is at conflict with what everybody could see on the video. >> lynn, chicago is a city in and of itself, in many ways,
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politically speaking, especially if you look at the history of the mayors in that city, it's kind of a unique place. is this something that's changing? i mean is mayor emanuel going to continue seeing this kind of opposition and mistrust? >> well, one speech won't fix this. the justice department probe will take months and months, maybe even more than a year. so without any base of support, it's hard to see how rahm emanuel can fix this soon. i think that neighborhood groups and community groups and protesters feel emboldened right now. and mayor emanuel, as a lot of people who have seen him in washington and chicago, does tend towards the arrogant side, my way or the highway side, and he's been cut down on this. this has been the worst crisis of his entire political career because he either knew about the problems behind that video
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that -- what that video showed was a troubled situation that should have been addressed where or he had staff that didn't sit him down and say, sir, you really need to pay attention to this. it is not just a matter of making a settlement with the family to save the city money but you have a problem in how the police department handled this. is there lynn sweet, thank you so much for being with me. i want to go to ari melber. very quickly, this whole federal probe into the chicago police department, it is not a probe into the mayor's office but pretty close. >> it is close and it is a probe not only into the use of deadly force and whether that's used in ways that are racially disparate according to the attorney general's words in her new announcement, but also whether or not chicago has the mechanisms of accountability and discipline when there are allegations of misconduct. in other words, yes, to your point, that is how the police are run. they ultimately, in chicago, like every other city, big or small, in america are run with
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civilian oversight. in this case that's rahm emanuel's oversight. as you and lynn were discussing and looking at some of those dramatic images of these protests tirnin icontinuing, overwhelmingly peaceful, chicago is a much bigger city than ferguson and other places beset by unrest after similar incidents. you have to hand it to people in chicago and the protest movement, whatever people think of these issues and the obvious divisive issues they raise, overwhelmingly peaceful protests, civil protests, going to places where the mayor and the city council are, going out into the streets but generally peacefully, despite what we now know, what you and lynn were just discussing, jose, which is that chicago police gunned someone down, according to the prosecutor, for no reason. that's why it was a first degree murder charge in the van dyke case and nothing was done about it for over a year. so that's a problem that implicates not only the officer w who's now indicted -- around he's innocent until proven guilty, like anybody else -- but
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if you follow that trend line, that's a problem not only for the officer but for a city that let that sit for a year. >> ari melber, thank you. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. thank you for the privilege of your time. tamron hall is up next. i'll see you tomorrow.
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