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as the average car today. ideas exxonmobil scientists are working on to make energy go further... matter how many tries it takes. energy lives here. good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall. we are monitoring a hearing taking place on capitol hill where defense secretary ash carter is testifying before the senate armed services committee about the u.s. strategy to counter isis. more about what secretary ash carter is saying in just a few minutes. some major developments certainly there. . but we want to begin with new political developments to report to you this hour. a fight until the bitter end. that is what perhaps is brewing between donald trump and the republican party. after the front-runner's proposal to ban muslims from entering the united states, just an hour ago trump told kelly ripa and michael strahan that he
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stands by the ban and that he is open to the idea of running as a third party candidate. >> it's not about religion. this is about safety. this has nothing to do with religion. it is about safety. i'm leading in every single poll and nationwide i'm leading in every one of them. obviously i'm very happy where i am. the people, the republican party, has been -- the people have been phenomenal. the party, i'll let you know about that. and if i don't get treated fairly, i would certainly consider that. >> now trump cited a new poll which shows 68% of his supporters would back him if he were to split from the republican party and run as an independent. more details about trump's upcoming trip to the middle east. today an israeli official confirms to nbc news trump will visit israel at the end of the month where he will meet with prime minister benjamin netanyahu. the officials tells us the meeting was scheduled two weeks ago before trump unveiled his controversial proposal. trump also tweeting that he will
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not be visiting jordan during his trip, saying, "despite my respect for king abdullah ii," trump was responding to a report by the associated press that he would visit that country this month. meantime, british prime minister david cameron who rarely comments on american politic has come out strong against trump's comments calling them, "divisive, unhelpful and quite simply wrong." the conservative mayor of london also weighing in calling the remarks, "complete and utter nonsense." and a petition to ban trump from entering the uk is being debated in parliament after garnering more than 100,000 signatures. a lot of moving parts both internationally and here domestically in response to trump. nbc's katy tur is here with the latest. just pick it up on this potential battle between trump and the republican party. you heard him there, he's making himself quite available from barbara walters to this morning show which normally is a
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light-hearted show that they're now talking about a ban of muslims. but he signed this pledge not to -- >> the pledge means nothing. the pledge ultimately was for show. it was to o say that i'm going to have party unity. there's no legal binding -- there's no binding nature of that pledge so he can go against at any point. does it look great on him? not necessarily. but as you saw, his voters are with him more than they are with the republican party and that is a trend that we see when we speak to voters. even when they don't agree with him, they say that they're going to vote for him so they are very loyal. it is this undeniable love that they have for him. donald trump is saying, hey, guys, if you don't treat me nicely -- donald trump's version of nice is for them to back everything he says and support him, then i'm going to do an independent run. meanwhile, the rnc -- we're threading the needle here. they have to tread lightly. if the establishment pushes back too hard they'll push him into that potentially devastating third party run. they have to wait until a time when he can't get on the ballot as an independent and potentially activate sore loser
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laws, laws that say that once you are on the ballot as a republican or a democrat, you can't change parties if you don't win in that election. it is an interesting time right now. we're just waiting and finding the best time to react, the best time to counter attack some of trump's rhetoric. >> back to the pledge. we know that it is not a contract, it is not binding, but we also know from watching donald trump in this presidential campaign he knows that optics matter. he does everything with a calculated reasoning behind it. he made such a big fuss over this piece of paper that we know is not a binding or legal document for a reason. so what was the reason? >> he made the fuss to get the headlines at the time. he knows how to get in the news. i think he believes what he believes at the time that he believes it and if he changes his mind next week, he never believed what he believed in the first place. >> did that make sense to anybody? >> you can follow along. but he -- he signed that pledge and in the moment i think he was signing it because he believed
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that he was going to be a part of the republican party and he was going to stay a part of the republican party. don't make any assumptions here, he wants to stay part of the republican party. he's the best chance of winning if he wins the republican nomination. his chances of winning as an independent are not that good despite his strong support. he can't fracture the republican party, he can do real damage. but he wants to remain in the republican party because that's where he has the best shot of even getting into the white house. >> we talked about the supporters of donald trump, people who love and stand by him. some of the new numbers out show they are certainly unfazed by the condemnation by some fellow republicans. here is what said somebody yesterday about the controversy unfolding around their candidate. >> i think it is a very fearful time in our country right now. definitely to keep the bad ones out would be great. >> who's cutting off people's heads? who's bombing buildings? who's bombing airplanes?
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it's not the christians. it's not the jewish. it's not the buddhists. it's the muslims. you got that on camera, sport? >> trump's core supporters have been steadfast giving him about 30% of the republican vote in most polls. so sho are these voters? msnbc's steve kornacki is standing by. people can make assumptions about who his supporters are but you have the data. behind it. >> yeah, some surprising data here. first, just remind you exactly where he stands right now. this is the latest out of new hampshire. this came out last night. this isn't going to measure any effect from this latest controversy but you have donald trump there more than doubling up his nearest rival, marco rubio. you also have in iowa a little bit of a different story. he has fallen behind, trump has, in one poll to ted cruz, leads in two others recently. key thing to keep in mind there though is cruz is the one republican candidate who really isn't attacking donald trump, really isn't criticizing donald trump.
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cruz is doing well with voters in a lot of cases who also like donald trump. in terms of who these trump supporters are, this is probably the most important divide to look at within the republican party. the college, non-college divide. this splits the republican party in half. half of republicans have college degrees, half of republicans do not have college degrees. look at the different between those two groups. the non-college republican group, trump is absolutely dominating. 46% of the vote. that's nearly 50% in a field of more than ten candidates. that's how strong donald trump is with non-college educated republicans. those are college degrees, a completely different story. a bit of a muddled picture here but donald trump in fourth place with those voters. so that's the big divide but here's the other surprising thing when you ask who donald trump supporters are. think about some of those clips you just played of those trump supporters. we often think of language like that, rhetoric like that and we say, that is the rhetoric of the far right of the republican party, that's trump's base.
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it's the far right. it isn't. take a look at this. where is trump support coming from? very conservative, well, sure. he's doing well with very conservative republicans. 25% say they support him. somewhat conservative? he's also doing well there, 25%. but his best group -- the best group for donald trump are those who call themselves moderates. 31% for donald trump of moderates right now support him. it is all over the board within the republican party. and when you talk about the third party possibility you just raised there, he had some other comments, too, about that, tamron, on that show this morning. >> steve, i want to talk about what you have there, the number of people who say they are moderates. this is how the individual defines their politics? i think if you ask people oftentimes are you very conservative, they might instantly go to maybe religious beliefs, whether or not they are against abortion. but do people often define themselves as being very conservative or do they see themselves as moderates? >> well with be it is ultimately a question of how you define
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yourself. however, if you compare these numbers, the moderate vote to past republican primaries, the candidate we think of as the moderate candidate in past republican primaries has always cleaned up. if you went back to 2012, newt gingrich was never doing well with the moderate voters, rick santorum was never doing well with the moderates voters. mitt romney and john mccain were cleaning up with them in 2008. we are letting them define themselves but historically the candidate we think of ars the moderate candidate does well with the moderate voters. >> do we have numbers regarding the ages, the average age of the trump supporter? i look at that rally where he made this announcement about immigration, there were people it seemed from all age groups. you and i both know when you think very conservative, people often assume older and white. >> again, yeah. another good point. you think of the donald trump. i think the assumption would be it is an older voter. he has been doing well with older voters but again it is sort of like this ideological range we are seeing.
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he's not doing badly with younger voters either. there are signs trump's comments could create a big problem for the republican party. this could be a battle to the bitter end. that's how the first read team describes it. with the iowa caucuses, can you believe less than 60 days away, party leaders fear a surging donald trump could cost them control of congress. congressm there are people that could not win if he was our nominee." let's talk about it with the msnbc political analyst, our panel includes rnc chairman michael steele an msnbc contributor and "washington post" columnist e.j. dionne. >> 31% of those who describe themselves as moderate in your party, michael, support donald
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trump. >> yeah, i've been saying it for the longest time. i'm glad the numbers are bearing it out. everyone wants to put donald trump in this sort of box that's it's rank conservatism and everybody's to the far right. his appeal is broad. i would dare say, tamron, it goes beyond the gop. i mean the numbers that we've seen from polls that steve showed us yesterday, national polls, democrats, republicans, et cetera, donald trump had a great deal of appeal in the sense that people agree with some of the things he's saying. so you've got to -- if you're a candidate running against him, you have to take all of this into consideration. so this idea now -- these panic buttons that are being pushed in washington, we're going to lose the congress, we're going to do that, that's not understanding what's driving donald trump. that's reacting and the problem is the party needs to step back and understand exactly what's motivating and animating those voters to support him. as long as they don't do that,
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donald trump will continue to surge. >> e.j., are we though overestimating the surge? i ask this based on what chuck todd talked about this morning when you look at the numbers. even though 68% of the republicans who currently support donald trump say they would take their vote with him if he turned into a third party candidate, when you look at where he's capping at the national numbers, it still leaves an incredible amount of undecided voters in the republican party depending on the polling you are being looking at, somewhere between 60% and 75% undecided there. so if the theory is donald trump's cap is with this group of about 36% of the voters, by the numbers, many say he will never get the nomination. >> well, maybe he gets the nomination. question is whether he can win the election. the first point that needs to be made, we're acting as if donald trump has this mass movement that encompasses something close to a majority of americans. if he's got 30% of republicans,
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that's 30% of 40%, which is 12% of americans. so let's be clear. right now we're talking about the republican party. secondly, i think what steve showed was very helpful. if you put those two charts together. trump is not about ideology, he is about class. there is a very large group of working class -- white working class republicans who are very angry. they're angry at president obama. but they're also angry at their own party. they voted loyally republican for a long time and they don't think they've gotten much out of that vote. and i think they're responding by supporting trump. but his weakness among the college educated, the middle class, upper middle class, is what republicans are worried about in the congressional elections. because a trump nomination could really hurt them in suburban districts all over the country and our elections are usually decided in the suburbs.
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>> e.j., i think it is interesting you bring that number up. i know people juxtapose this against the obama administration, this anger that we are seeing. but this same group of people, e.j. -- i did the exit polling. they were not running behind mitt romney. they could not identify with mitt romney in many ways and rally them in the same way. i said this early on, for some of these people, and we heard it, michael, from the focus group months ago in new hampshire, they saw donald trump as someone who could help them get rich, almost like the casino brand that bears his name. when you go into a casino, it is not usually filled -- especial will i in atlantic city -- with billionaires. it is people hoping they have a shot somehow and they see that trump brand, michael, as their shot. >> they do. and when you have a working class, blue-collar mom say that he's one of us, referring to a billionaire as "one of us," that tells you a lot. and it really goes to the core of what aen mates that voter to latch on to him. it's not just the tough talk.
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it's the entire story. this is a guy that they can identify with who took something and turned it into something more and that's part of their dream. so when you pull all of it together, i think donald trump has tapped into a vein. i thought montel williams this morning put it perfectly when he talked about this sort of culture of television, that pulls the voter, the listener, into this new world. that's what trump has ostensibly done, very effectively, and it changes the way we do and perceive politics. >> but experts like yourself and e.j. can analyze this all day but ultimately it is up to the other individuals running for that gop nomination deciding how they can attack donald trump. i'll play what jeb bush said to chuck todd refusing to say if he would support donald trump if he gets that nomination. listen in. >> let me ask you this. are you going to be able to support donald trump if he's the
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republican nominee? >> chuck, he's not going to be the nominee. he's not a serious candidate. he's an entertainer. these are dog whistle proposals to prey on people's fears and consume the news. it's not a serious campaign. >> it doesn't sound like you can support him if he is the nominee. why not say it? >> because it is not going to happen. i will support the republican nominee and i'm working hard to make sure i'm it. >> you will support the republican nominee no matter what the voters decide? >> absolutely. it is not going to be donald trump though. >> of course he says the same line, it is not a serious campaign. on the day that "time" magazine names angela merkel person of the year, donald trump tweeted out, "i told you "time" would never pick me as the person of the year despite me being the big favorite. they shoes the person who's ruining germany." this from a man who will need angela merkel at his side to defeat isis and he's also sore over not getting a magazine cover. >> if you get in donald trump's
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way, even if you are the chancellor of germany, he's going to attack you. but i think jeb's comments you just showed are very revealing. the republicans are in a box. they really need to distance themselves from trump and -- if they want to win a general election, i think. and that means at this point given how far he's gone they -- some of them have to have the courage to say we can't support this guy. but they are desperate for trump's voters if they actually do win the nomination. so he has put them in a terrible situation and jeb's hedging i think was an example of what that does to all these republicans. >> e.j., michael, thank you both for your time. still developing new, defense secretary ash carter is testifying before the senate armed services committee about the u.s. strategy to counter isis. just a short time ago, secretary carter told the committee that the united states has not contained isis and is ready to provide more personnel and equipment to the iraqi army to
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fight the terror group. republican senator john mccain, committee chair, says he is not satisfied with air strikes alone. >> i think that we are building momentum against isil. i'm going to be very careful about describing -- i've described the trajectory of that success all around iraq and syria. >> urgently and fervently ask you for a strategy that you can tell us when we are going to take mosul, when we are going to take raqqah, and when we are going to wipe out this caliphate. and, frankly, i have not seen that. >> nbc's luke russert standing by. luke, secretary carter mentioned more personnel, but he spoke specifically about advisors in that role, not obviously the question of whether or not some troops will be placed on the ground. >> sure. and it was more along the lines of this idea that the obama administration has said previously, tamron, that they believe that isis can be contained eventually with a small number of u.s. special
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forces on the ground advising local groups that run counter to isis. but there is some very illuminating testimony here today. number one, carter said that you cannot go into this area with an american ground force that's large because it would americanize the fight and give isis what it wants, the opportunity to fight americans on their "holy land." john mccain pushed back on him at that, asked him if he felt that isis was contained, quoting the president who said that a few weeks before the paris attacks, and ash carter said, no, isis is not contained. he would in the agree with that. mccain then directly tied the recent attacks in san bernardino with isis saying, look, what's our strategy here? because time is running out. you see what has happened here domestically. we need to do more. what i think is really interesting, tamron, is this sets up for this issue really to be at the pinnacle of the 2016 election because this idea of putting a sizable u.s. ground
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force to counter isis is really becoming a republican idea from a lot of important people like john mccain and it is starting -- it is going to start trickling down more as this fight goes on from what we learned from this hearing today. >> luke, thank you very much. coming up, the fbi director just gave an update on the san bernardino shooting. he says both shooters -- we're learning now that both shooters were radicalized before they ever met. pete williams is next with this new information. plus, chicago mayor rahm emanuel moments ago apologizing for problems in his police department promising major reforms. this as protesters disrupt his address to city council -- or tried to. we're following the latest developments. also developing, jurors resume deliberations this morning in the trial of an oklahoma city police officer accused of rape and sexual assault of 13 women. a verdict could come at any moment. we'll have the new details.
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we are back with more developing news to report to you. new details about the couple responsible for the san bernardino shooting rampage. exactly one week ago today. just moments ago, fbi director james comey said that the couple was radicalized even before they met online. >> san bernardino involved two killers who were radicalized for quite a long time before their attack. in fact, our investigation to date, which i can only say so much about at this point, indicates that they were actually radicalized before they started courting or dating each other online. and online, as late as -- as early as the end of 2013, they were talking to each other about jihad and martyrdom before they
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became engaged and then married and lived together in the united states. we also believe they were inspired by foreign terrorist organizations. we're working very hard to understand exactly their association and the source of their inspiration. we're also working very hard to understand whether there was anybody else involved with assisting them. >> meantime, a senior law enforcement official tells nbc news that farook may have talked about staging an attack as long as three years ago. pete, as with any investigation, you see so many different story lines from whether or not the wife had radicalized the husband to now this latest development that they met after they both were radicalized in different parts of the world. >> of course. and you're right, those lines change as they learn more. so what this means is apparently at this point, as they begin to
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learn more, that neither of the two were at least initially radicalized by isis, because isis and its propaganda certainly its effect in the u.s., didn't become much of a force until the mid part of last year, june of 2014. now, of course we don't know and i don't believe the fbi knows either whether at some point in their pathway toward deciding to carry out this attack at some point the isis radicalization enters the picture and becomes part of it. but at least their initial radicalization we know two things now. the fbi believes, one, it is not that she came to america and radicalized him. they were both on that path before they began to court online, he said. the other thing that comey said is that he was asked today by lindsey graham who, of course, is a republican candidate for president who he thinks about, as he put it, candidates for president talking about banning muslims and whether that empowers the enemy.
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comey said he didn't want to take shots at anyone. graham rephrased the question and said, well, regardless of who it comes from, does it hurt? comey said, i do believe our ability to get cooperation in the u.s. depends upon people trusting us and estrangement gets in the way of that. >> quickly, pete, other developments included that farook's parents have now been placed on a terror watch list. can you explain why that's happened? and also more details on this $28,000 that ended up in their bank account before the attacks. >> well, i think putting them on the no-fly list is probably two-fold. one is to make sure they don't try to leave the country because the fbi still has more questions to ask them and they're not under arrest. but secondly, it's the reason people get on the no-fly list. they have an association with a suspected terrorist. that's how people get on the no-fly list in the first place so that would seem logical. in terms of the money, i think they're still trying to run that down. the best thinking at this point seems to be that farook was
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trying to consolidate his appears and perhaps have some money available for his mother to take care of his child. it's not believed that that was the source of money for the attack. the attack was not very expensive to carry out, unfortunately. >> thank you very much, pete. up next, protesters at the city hall in chicago as mayor emanuel addresses the claims of misconduct within his police department. the heated scene playing out in the nation's third-largest city. the mayor now saying he's sorry and promising reform. but is it enough for the protesters who stormed city hall? also developing now, lawmakers on capitol hill are celebrating the 150th anniversary of the 13th amendment that outlawed slavery. the president will speak later this hour. we will bring you president obama's comments live.
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we are back with developing news out of chicago. this was the scene inside city hall as protesters gathered outside the council chambers. while inside, mayor rahm emanuel addressed council members and vowed to restore the public's trust in the city's police department. the mayor convened the special meeting as the department is now the subject of a justice department investigation and as scrutiny intensifies over two fatal police shootings, including laquan mcdonald's death which the mayor directly apologized for this morning. >> i am the mayor. as i said the other day, i own it. i take responsibility for what happened because it happened on my watch. and if we're going to fix it, i want you to understand it is my responsibility with you. but if we're also going to begin the healing process, the first step in that journey is my step
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and i'm sorry. >> let's talk more about it. joining me live, nbc chief legal correspondent ari melber. talk about this tone that we saw from rahm emanuel. compared to that now-infamous press conference when he was asked had he seen the laquan mcdonald tape after a $5 million settlement and he said no. >> he said no at that press conference. that was shocking to people in chicago. i think people around the country following this case. how do you hear about this? how do you approve a $5 million settlement in this shooting, a shooting we now know led to the first degree murder indictment of an officer and not even watch the video? of course now removed police commissioner did. what you were just showing us was these new images from a basically another moment in chicago where rahm emanuel is trying, not plan a, not plan b, i think we're down to plan e. he says he's now on the search for a new police commissioner. all eyes will be on who that person is and what it says about
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the changes he wants to make. these protesters are saying we know this wasn't your plan, this isn't what you want to do and they don't believe the mayor is taking this seriously. >> they believe it is window dressing. of course, the police chief is out. but in reality -- we talked about this, this task force that's been assembled is essentially a repeat of what's in place already. it is not as if the police department was without monitoring. it is a deeper systemic issue that some believe exist in that city. >> that's right. as a legal matter, the criticism here and what loretta lynch and justice department investigators will now be probing is that those very mechanisms and monitoring have become a part of cover-ups. looking at these protests, loretta lynch says she's going to investigate how deadly force is used, whether it is used in racially disparate ways and whether the city then covers it up. >> i lived in that city for ten years. alder men and council members in that city pretty hard-core politicians. a tough political town. what kind of pressure is rahm
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emanuel receiving from those who might want to replace him? >> i think what we're wholesale emanuel administration who will be facing these issues continuously. the doj investigation assumes the calendar for the next couple months. there is going to be more and more pressure to say how can this administration completely change what it is and whether democrats are going to look for another person to take over this, as you say, third largest city in the country. >> ari, thank you very much. another story ari's following, a jury just started its third day of deliberations in the trial of a police officer who was actually fired after the charges, former officer daniel holtzclaw is charged with 36 felony counts, including rape and sexual battery. 13 women testified that the officer attacked them while he was on duty. the defense called just one
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witness a former girlfriend of the defendant's who testified he read her bible scriptures and that she never noticed any unusual or sexually aggressive behavior. he was fired after his arrest last year. we're following the deliberations there and certainly ari is standing by for any verdict that may come in this that case. coming up, ben carson's campaign reportedly cancels nearly $700,000 worth of ads in iowa. this of course as donald trump continues to suck up all of the oxygen from his party. what is happening with the other candidates? we'll get that all for you in our "first read" in politics with nbc's senior political editor, mark murray. also with donald trump proposing a ban on muslims entering the united states, something you should see this morning. tom brokaw offers us a reminder of history's ugly lessons about fear and marginalizing groups of people. you'll want to see that. stick around, we'll be right back.
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read on politics for you this morning. the new poll of gop primary voters in new hampshire shows trump maintaining a substantial lead but there's another significant development in that poll. and it involves ben carson's steady decline. he is now at 5%. this as his campaign is reportedly canceled a $700,000 ad buy in iowa. speaking of ads, a new tally of spending funds, jeb bush's campaign has spent nearly $33 million so far this election cycle. that's almost more than the rest of the current republican field combined. in most polls he's still in single digits. joining me now, nbc news senior political editor mark murray. mark, it's been a while since someone dropped out of this race. obviously the big shake-up was scott walker. but when you look at what's happening with ben carson, one does wonder how long he can stay in, and quite honestly many others who are in single digits. >> of course, we're 50-plus days
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away from the iowa caucuses. so i don't know if we'll necessarily see another republican drop out. but given all the developments in the past week, of course the shootings in san bernardino, you look at donald trump's rise in the polls, one story that's been kind of forgotten, and that is that ben carson has been coming down. as you mentioned, 5% in that cnn/wmur new hampshire poll. there's also a new national "usa today"/suffolk poll that had him at 10%. even when he was in the 20s and high teens. it is hard to pinpoint what actually ended up causing carson to come down but i would say it's come after all the focus on the san bernardino shootings as well as the paris terror attacks. this also should be mentioned after trump just went after ben carson's chief narrative about his redemption, about almost trying to stab someone. take all those things together and you end up seeing that donald trump is -- ben carson is down in the polls. >> mark, you mentioned 50 days until the iowa caucuses.
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but when you cancel $700,000 ad buy in iowa, the state that you were depending on conservatives to really give you a victory, now ted cruz may have stolen that from you, that is not a good sign. >> no, it's not a good sign. but do remember that ben carson raised more than any other republican campaign in the third quarter. all indications are that he was raising a lot of money in this current quarter. money is not the problem for ben carson. the problem is does anyone actually want his message after a huge focus on terrorism and national security. >> all great points, mark. thank you very much. coming up, "time" magazine names german chancellor angela merkel their person of the year. she, by the way, is the first woman to earn the title in 29 years. the reaction coming in this morning. plus, officials believe they know what sickened dozens of people who all ate at the same chipotle restaurant. it is one of the stories we are updating this morning. ♪ ♪
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a lot of reaction to this. german chancellor angela merkel named "time" magazine's person of the year. this is the "time" cover. merkel is the first woman to be recognized individually in almost 30 years. the fourth, by the way, to ever get that a honor. she beat out the leader of isis, the black lives matter movement and donald trump. many thought trump would be number one for making headlines worldwide since jumping into the race for president this summer. here's "time" magazine's managing editor on why they passed on trump. >> this year when a lot of world leaders were tested as never before, no one was tested more than her. over and over and over again she was the one who had to step in and address first the economic crisis that could have brought down the eurozone this summer. then refugee crisis this fall. now the return of terror in europe. there's probably a reason "time" has never put a presidential candidate as person of the year because we know that in the next
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12 months the voters are going to decide. >> so as i reported earlier, trump tweeted out, i told you "time" magazine would never pick me as person of the year despite being the big favorite. they picked the person who is ruining germany. joining me now, msnbc's cal perry, senior editor of other video and digital. they explained they never picked a presidential candidate because they would be accused of giving too much attention to one person. but angela merkel. when you look at online polling, bernie sanders was faring higher than angela merkel, not to diminish her resume and incred things she's faced as chancellor. >> donald trump was down at number 19 tied with serena williams. it is crazy to thiserena almostn the grand slam this year. the most recent official to sound off on this, john kerry. >> frankly, what mr. trump has
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said runs contrary to all of that and makes our job of reaching out to people and sharing real america just that much more complicated, that much more difficult. >> echoing what you said earlier in the hour. this is someone that donald trump is going to have to work closely with -- >> if he wins. >> -- if he wins, especially with everything that's going on in europe. most fascinating thing happening today in london, they've put an online poll potentially banning donald trump from the uk. over 200,000 signatures. the site actually crashed from so many people going on it. george osbourne is the finance minister in the united kingdom. he had this to say about the donald trump comments. he said they fly in the face of america's founding principles so we are seeing this reaction even though he wasn't picked as man of the year, he's making himself part of the conversation. >> which is so interesting, obviously that tweet getting so much attention and not angela merkel's record. her position on the refugee
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crisis. the financial crisis in the eu and the integral part that germany plays in all of this. the headline is donald trump taking a swing at her on twitter and not this incredible politician and leader at a very critical time. >> this is a woman who helped basically found the european union. she's seen it through one of its worst economic crises in a generation. as you mention, the human crisis of this refugee crisis, she's taking the lead. health officials now believe they know what caused dozens of boston college students who ate at a local chipotle restaurant to get sick. they say initial tests show the culprit was norovirus, not e. coli. the number of students sickened from 30 monday to 80 people yesterday. the restaurant in the boston neighborhood of cleveland circle was closed after an inspector found meat was being kept at too low a temperature and an employee was working while sick. the fast food chain says it
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as donald trump's proposal to ban muslims from entering the united states continues to spark backlash around the world, we are reminded of other controversial moments in american history.
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for perspective, the last century has seen significant examples of what happens when fear and intolerance take hold and an entire category of people is marginalized. nbc's tom brokaw has this reflection on the harsh lessons of the past. >> reporter: donald trump's promise to ban all muslims from coming to america is more, much more than a shouted campaign provocation. trump's statement, even in the season of extremes, is a dangerous proposal that overrides history, the law and the foundation of america itself. in my lifetime alone, we have been witness to the consequences of paranoia overriding reason. during world war ii, law-abiding japanese citizens were herded into remote internment camps losing their jobs, businesses and social standing. while an all japanese-american division fought heroic ily in europe. at the same time, in germany a regime that declared war on its
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own citizens if they were jewish. and germany paid the ultimate price, defeat and history's condemnation. but after the war, america still had to learn about demagoguery the hard way. senator joe mccarthy's reckless anti-communist witchhunt -- >> it has been labeled -- >> reporter: making ever more outrageous claims, damaging reputations until one day -- >> have you no sense of decency, sir? >> reporter: all that while african-americans whose ancestors came here as slaves were treated as second or even third-class citizens in uniform and out. yes, the jihadists are radical muslims, but they are a minority with a world in a billion and a half muslims, even so defeating isis will be long, hard and expensive. perhaps even more so now because isis is likely to use donald trump's statements as a recruiting tool. korean kan, a muslim,
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respondeded to a different kind of recruiting, 9/11. an american citizen, he joined the american army to show that not all muslims are fanatics. he was killed in iraq in 2007 by an ied just 20 years old. mr. trump cannot exclude him from america. he has a permanent home here in section 60 at arlington national cemetery. >> and that does it for this hour of "msnbc live." i'm tom rtamran hall. up next, "andrea mitchell reports." it's time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. machi is a chinese immigrant who started out two decades ago making candles in her garage. her company has been amped up steadily. now thanks to her licensing partners, she's hoping to become a household name. for more, watch "your business" sunday mornings at 7:30 on msnbc. >> brought to you by american express open. visit for ideas to
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yes, they should be free. they would be free. and we thought this decision was so important that for the first time in half a century, we amended the constitution. from then on it would be the supreme law of the land. and so today we celebrate this 43-word amendment. this new birth of freedom. it is all together fitting improper that we should do this. and we should remember all that it took, the historic battles, the great generals, yes, but also the men in the ranks. the names we have forgotten. especially the men who had once been enslaved. men like william h.carney and andrew jackson smith. these men, these men were segregated, they were mistreated, and


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