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this winter, take advantage of our season's best offers on the latest generation of cadillacs. the 2016 cadillac ats. get this low-mileage lease from around $269 per month, or purchase with 0% apr financing. hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. right now on "msnbc live," protestors gather outside an emergency council meeting in chicago. mayor rahm emanuel delivers an em passioned apology for the death of laquan mcdonald. >> no citizen is a second-class citizen in the city of chicago. >> but the mayor's apology, is it too little, too late? we'll take you live to chicago to see how it's playing out. and not backing down.
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as the backlash intensifies over donald trump's proposed ban on muslims entering the u.s., the gop frontrunner digs in and fires off a divine warning to his party. we'll explain all that straight ahead. but first fresh developments in the terrorist attack in san b n bernardi bernardino. james comey says each of the members were on their own path to radicalization before they started their relationship. as early as 2013 when the couple got together they talked about jihad and martyrdom before they talked about tashfeen coming to the u.s. >> it's hard to understand exactly their association and the source of their inspiration. we're also working very hard to understand whether there was anybody else involved with assisting them, with supporting them, we quipping them. and we're working very hard, did they have other plans, either for that day or earlier and that work continues.
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>> and that's not the only significant hearing on the hill today. we're covering this story from all angles, from washington to san bernardino. i want to begin with nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete, explain to us, are investigators find that farook and malik were on the path to independent radicalization and this attraction became a marriage of convenience? >> well, first of all, i think we have to separate a couple of strands here. number one, he says they started talking about jihad before she came here, not necessarily before they started talking about her coming here. he didn't really say when they started talking about her coming to the u.s. but secondly, the interesting thing is, this happened in 2013. isis doesn't really become a factor in terms of recruiting and spreading jihadist propaganda for another six to seven months until the middle of 2014. so it's clear that at the beginning and the director later acknowledged this, this radicalization of both of them half a world apart happened
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independent devices. it wasn't isis that got them started. at some point isis may have entered into their stream of thinking and could tributed to their decision to carry out this terror attack. but that part isn't very clear yet. the second thing that's emerged here, not from this hearing but independently is the fbi has been told that syed farook talked about staging an attack as early as 2012 but got cold feet long before he had even heard the name tashfeed malik. one thing that came up today is when they were talking about malik, why didn't the fbi know that? they said we can't know everything, not just we, the fbi, but the federal government can't know everything that everybody is talking about all the time even though one side of the conversation was a u.s. citizen. in order to monitor that
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conversation, he said they would have to have some reason to think that syed farook was up to no good and made quite clear until the shooting in santa barbara he was not on their radar. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. thank you for joining me. appreciate it. as investigators focus on the domestic threat presented by isis in the thwarted attacks, ash carter testified before the senate armed services committee on the current u.s. strategy to defeat the terrorist organization in iraq and syria. secretary carter told the committee the u.s. has not contained isis but will provide more equipment to fight the terror group. jim miklaszewski is joining me on this part of the story. explain how much farther the secretary would go about the personnel and involvement of the u.s.? >> well, secretary carter had a lot to say in today's hearing, but unfortunately not much of it was very new. he talked again about putting small numbers of u.s. special operations forces in iraq and
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inside syria, not only to assist friendly forces but to conduct raids against isis leadership. he also talked again for the first time about committing apache helicopters in the fight in ramadi to help take that major city back from isis. but that would be the second time that apache helicopters have been used by the u.s. military. now, he did get into a somewhat testy exchange with senator mccain when the senator, the chairman of the armed services committee, challenged the secretary to talk about a strategy to take over mosul there in iraq and the isis capital city of raqqah inside syria. >> i think that we are building momentum against isil. >> how long do you think it will be before we retake mosul or
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raqqah? >> with respect to ramadi -- >> raqqah. >> oh, raqqah. raqqah there, you noted this yourself, mr. chairman, the syrian kurds to the north have done an excellent job of clearing their territory. >> we're not going into raqqah and you and i know that. >> senator mccain also warned that the u.s. and the world is running out of time after the attacks there in both paris and san bernardino, california. and he said if the u.s. does not commit, become more aggressive and commit more ground forces, not entire battalions, but at least more ground forces to the fight against isis in iraq and syria, then the u.s. is willing to accept the isis caliphate in that region, thomas. >> jim miklaszewski at the pentagon, thank you. joining us is brian levin, director of the study for hate
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and extremism in san bernardino. brian, as we listen to mick's report there and isis's containment, explain to everybody in more thoughtful detail about how secretary ash carter was explaining that the syrian kurds are willing to go so far but then stop in their defeat of isis when it comes to their boundaries. characterize what these different factions mean collectively to pushing them out over the boundary. >> sure. there are different kurdish entities, some in iraq quite successful and they are actually now talking about possibly over the coming months launching an assault for mosul. a large city in northern iraq, second largest in iraq, about the size of philadelphia. syria is a little harder, a lot harder. raqqah, also northern syria, is the place that is the nerve center of isis. and if that were to be taken
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over, that would be a truly significant development, but i don't think that's happening any time soon. it's going to be very difficult because in military force that goes in there will see a lot of these operators with isis blend back into civilian gear and then come out and do an insurgency as we saw during iraq with, for instance, places like fallujah and ramadi. >> explain to everybody within raqqah itself how isis has woven into the tapestry of that city so that as you're saying they could easily, first of all, blend back in but why it's so hard to root them out. >> it's hard to root them out because that's their capital, that's their nerve center where. many of the fighters are concentrated. they have actually set up an
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administrative municipality there. a court system, they also have religious police who enforce laws. when you see them throwing gay people off rooftops, that's in raqqah. so it's going to be very difficult for a force to go in there and take them. it's not a coordinated force. >> brian levin with the center of the study of hate and extremism in san bernardino. thank you, sir. we'll talk about the latest from donald trump, adding more detail to his plan to ban muslim integration into the country. the republican frontrunner was on "live with kelly and michael" this morning and asked whether the constitution would prohibit this plan. here's how he responded. >> these are people that aren't in the country. the people that are in the country are in the country. we're not talking about them, these are people outside the country. so we're not talking about the constitution. it is not about religion but safety. >> trump's rhetoric surrounding the attacks in paris and san bernardino has been a problem for republicans but a boon to democrats. take a listen of the contrast and responses.
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first, from fellow republican ted cruz who spoke with joe scar borough today in an interview airing in full tomorrow. and then what hillary clinton had to say in iowa. >> should you be more assertive when donald trump comes out to say he wants to keep all muslim outs of the country? >> i have said i disagree with that proposal, but it is amazing how eager the media is. i mean, the number one question i get day in and day out is please attack donald trump, please attack donald trump. and i will point out my approach to trump has been the same to every other republican candidate, which is i'm not interested in personal insults and mudslinging. >> it is both a shameless and a dangerous idea. at a time when america should be doing everything we can to lead the fight to defeat isis and other radical jihadists, donald
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trump is playing right into their hands. >> we have two reports now on trump and how the republican party is being put on the defensive. first nbc's katy tur covering the trump campaign. katy, the latest interview with donald trump "live on kelly and michael" today. when you characterize this about being muslims entering the country, it is about the constitution. >> he says there's something wrong there and they could be undercover radicals, we wouldn't necessarily know. he's saying essentially he wants to figure out exactly what is going on, figure out how to vet these people and then allow them into the country. there's a lot of backlash against this because a lot of people are saying that this is, not just an illegal idea, but a racist idea. an idea that's only going to divide america further and create more people who hate america and potentially more
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radicals, even here on our soil where muslims in this country are going to start to feel like they have a target on their back and they have been telling us this, that they are feeling like donald trump is making it so that they can't exist in their daily life in america with all of his outsized rhetoric. >> katy tur, appreciate it. we heard ted cruz there just moments ago refusing to take on the question of donald trump and his ban on muslims. here's what jeb bush told chuck todd on msnbc's "mtp daily." >> are you going to be able to support donald trump if he's the nominee at this point? >> he's not going to be the nominee, he's an entertainer. >> what would you say about your party if donald trump is the nominee? >> well, i will say we'll lose for starters. >> today he says that he's never going to leave the race. and he also reportedly is worried that even if trump
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doesn't win the nomination, his rhetoric could cost them majorities in the senate and possibly the house. msnbc anchor and political correspondent steve kornacki is joining me now to talk more about that. steve, let's talk about the vulnerability of the senate. what are you hearing also about how these people are worried, what it means to have donald trump potentially on the ballot? >> you hear jeb bush say if donald trump is the nominee, that means we the republicans will lose. but obviously there's the down ballot question, too. if you're a republican and your name is going to be on the ballot for another office in 2016 and trump's name is above yours, how many voters are not going to vote for trump and then go right down the rest of the ballot? not check off your name either. so the senate, in particular, let's take a look at that one. of course, republicans got control of it back last year in the 2014 elections. a big win for them. the current balance of power, i think we can show you in the senate right now, it's 54 for the republicans and 46 for the democrats. there's those two independents, it's bernie sanders, angus king.
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they caucus with the democrats meaning 54-46. okay, what does that mean? next year if democrats are going to take back the senate, they need to gain four seats to get to 50. that would be a majority if hillary clinton is elected president. the party with the white housebreaks the tie. they need five seats if there's a republican president. that's what they need to pick up. so talk about the trump effect. where are republicans most worried about the trump effect if he's their nominee in the senate races? we can show you a bunch of states here. number one, look at new hampshire. the states i'm going to show you fit a basic profile. these are obama states that voted for obama in 2008 and voted for obama in 2012. they have republican senators who will be up for re-election in 2016. so these are states that are very willing to go democratic and potentially with trump as the nominee they would not be happy with the republican party. so kelly ayot, the republican in new hampshire, would have something to worry about potentially with judonald trumps the nominee.
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and alabama, pat toomey running for re-election. bob portman in ohio, obama won that state twice. ron johnson in wisconsin is already in a world of trouble being challenged by russ finegold who used to have the seat. donald trump could complicate that further. in illinois, president obama's blue state, mark kirk, republican senator there running for re-election there. when republicans say they are worried about the senate, look at that. that's five republican incumbents right there running in obama states. if democrats won all five of those next year, that could give them control of the senate and one more to keep in mind there, florida, the incumbent is marco rubio. he's up for re-election next year. he's not running for re-election, he's running for president instead. there's an open seat down there in florida with trump at the nominee, that could be an advantage for democrats in that critical race as well. >> you bring up ron johnson from wisconsin, one of our guests coming up next hour.
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we'll talk about that because "the washington post" categorized him in the top five as most vulnerable and putting him at number two in that new category. so we'll see his reaction to that today and also find out what he thinks about donald trump. this brings us to our microsoft pulse question for you. we are asking, has donald trump's muslim comments jeopardized the u.s. image globally? the pulse is live right now, go check it out. weigh in with your results. pulse.msnbc.com. we'll have your results coming up later in the hour. up next, mayor rahm emanuel of chicago issues an apology for the laquan mcdonald shooting. but does his emotional mea culpa go far enough? we'll take you to chicago where an emergency city council meeting demanded their voices be heard. we'll tell you if they were successful or not. at planters we know how to throw a remarkable holiday party. just serve classy snacks and be a gracious host, no matter who shows up.
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developing right now in chicago, protestors gathered demanding the resignation of the embattled rahm emanuel. these are live images coming to us of what it looks like on the scene. all this following the mayor's special address today before the city council. it was an emotional speech where he promised complete police reform and issued a rare mea culpa in the shooting death of teen mcdonald. >> what happened in 2014 should never have happened. i take full responsibility for what happened because it happened on my watch. and if we're going to fix it, i want you to understand it's my responsibility with you. but if we're also going to begin the healing process, the first step in that journey is my step.
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and i'm sorry. >> there we have it from the mayor. but look at this, the scene just outside the chamber as he was speaking. protestors call for mayor emanuel to step down. explain what the mayor said about tackling police reform. what's the policy? >> he's now owning this responsibility. before this started he was deflecting responsibility for the most part. i think the angry reaction surprised him, which is a little bit surprising in itself. he is now talking about not only tackling the police department, trying to change the culture, which is a tall order. trying to change the culture of the wall of silence of the code of silence, the police officers protecting each other. he is also now talking about the broader issue, the issue of race
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in this city. the issue of police attitudes toward young black men, quite frankly, and also young black men's attitudes toward the police as a result of that. he -- this all came together because of the video leased of the laquan mcdonald shooting in which an officer shot laquan mcdonald 16 times. he's now facing a murder charge because of that. he's pleaded not guilty. but at the same time the mayor today spoke to all the families who have had to bury loved ones killed by police. >> we have to listen to the parents whose children were killed. and see their extraordinary grace, their strength and their courage that is required of them to endure the infinite pain of
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be burying a child. >> reporter: there is a lot of anger over all of this that's been building for some time. it's now spilling out onto the streets of chicago right now as you can see, we have a live picture of that coming in. this march began on daily blaze plaza through chicago. this anger has been building for quite a while. and it's going to take some time to dissipate it and to take care of it. one speech isn't going to do it. the appointment of a commission as emanuel has done isn't going to do it. this is going to take some time, thomas. >> you talk about the specific task force put into place. john, i think some people as we look at those images, police may be taking certain protesters into custody. we'll work to figure out if that's happening live as we speak. we'll let you get back to work. nbc's john yang, thank you, sir. joy reid is joining me now at 30 rock.
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joy, this was a pretty rare sign of emotion from the mayor. was this the humble moment that rahm emanuel needed to provide to show he understands the depth of this problem and that he can get it back on track through leadership? >> i think a lot of people, at least people i talked to in chicago, feel it's a bea littla moment trying to deflect the issue. in one instance, deflecting it onto the other authorities who were at work. you talk to people around the mayor's office, well, there was an investigation going on in the state attorney's office. that took precedence investigating. you also had the city council acting separately and really not locating, attempting not to locate the origin of the problem in the office of the mayor. now you have a major for all purposes becoming the lame duck. he will not have to stand for re-election until 2019 meaning
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he campaigns in 2018. however, he still has to attempt to govern with these aldermen he was talking to today with this city council, who also if you talk to folks in chicago, feel burned because they are the one who is approved the $5 million settlement in the laquan mcdonald case basically on the strength of the recommendation of the city's council. >> so let's talk about the actions that the mayor wants to take, expanding the police body camera program, naming new police leadership and the review of the police task force. we also understand the mayor's need for respect and equal treatment from police and needing to break the code of silence. but in earlier interviews, i believe he used the phrase "morality of the citizens and living in the constructs of this city," what is being exposed is the morality or lack thereof in the police department and leadership of the willingness to pass the buck until a certain point. >> and this certainly isn't unique to chicago. i think a lot of cities are now grappling with the new world in which black lives matter.
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just black citizens in general are no longer willing to tolerate the kind of fundamental disrespect they feel comes from police. and also they want accountability for officers who stake the lives of citizens in a way that is unjustified in the minds of many black citizens. so in chicago you've had this mayor's office, which to its point will say they adjusted poorly to this new world. it took them a while to adjust to the black lives matter era. but you also have going on a trial of a former police commander in chicago in which he's one of several officers that had a long history of complaints about brutality. you have a lot of officers who have a history and there's not a history of disciplining those officers. there's not a history of getting them off the force. there's not a history of prosecuting them. >> i think van dyke also has a long list. >> absolutely. and nothing is done. citizens say there's a culture of protect the cops, whether the attorney's office, just protect the cops, not prosecute them. whether in the mayor's office, tell the citizens to be more
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respect of cops. here it's a political situation for rahm emanuel. citizens are saying no, hold the cops accountable, too. >> joy reid, thank you very much. coming up next, president obama marks the 150th anniversary of one of the most sixty events in this nation's history. his remarks up next. s. that's a win. but imagine earning it twice. you can with the citi double cash® card. it lets you earn cash back twice. once when you buy and again as you pay. it's cash back then cash back again. and that's a cash back win-win. the citi double cash card. the only card that lets you earn cash back twice on every purchase with 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay. with two ways to earn, it makes a lot of other cards seem one-sided.
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those who wonder if they're truly equals in their communities or in their justice systems or in a job interview. we betray the efforts of the past if we fail to push back against bigotry in all its forms. >> well, the president also recounted how slavery shapes the nation's politics and nearly tore it apart during the civil war. the supreme court is taking up a controversial affirmative action case. abigail fisher's suit against the university of texas at austin argues that affirmative action denied her place at the school violating her constitutional rights. if the court agrees, that could spell an end to affirmative action at all colleges and universities. it's the court's second hearing of her case since 2013. and initial tests show that dozens of boston college
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♪ 100 days ♪ 100 nights ♪ to know a man's heart ♪ who is cutting off people's heads? who is bombing airplanes? it's not the christians, not the buddhists, it's the muslims. you got that, sport? >> those are trump supporters to ban the muslims. trump says that will keep us safer from isis. chr kristen welker is covering the hillary clinton campaign. first we'll go to msnbc and tech
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correspondent olivia sterns. explain the pressure on social media companies to fight the isis propaganda machines. is there an assumption they are doing too little? >> it feels like everybody woke up no the fact that social media is a critical front, a critical battleground in the fight against isis. so yesterday we saw two senators, both sides of the aisle, republican senator dianne feinstein and republican senator richard byrd, both propose a bill to legally require social media companies, so twitter, facebook, youtube, to report any red flags to officials. this is both difficult and controversial and is very difficult because the social media companies say they are simply inundated, for example, youtube took down 15 million videos just last year. and it's very controversial because it puts the tech companies, you know, in the private sector as the ash or
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thes arbitors of what is hate speech and what constitutes terror. >> so will tech companies have a hard time responding to the government in terms of infringing of people's prooivap? >> we reached out to them and they are adamant they are doing everything. facebook said they remove any content that supports terrorism. twitter says violent threats and the promotion of terrorism deserve no place on twitter. but it is like whack-a-mole. as soon as they shut down one account, several more pop up. one group recreated an account 100 types on twitter. the other thing to consider here, thomas, a lot of the reasons we have found suspected people linked to terrorism here in the u.s. is precisely because they have been on social media. so a lot of people say that's one of the most effective ways we can track them, why do we want to push them off the grid? >> yeah, double-edged sword for rooting them out. olivia sterns, thank you very much. now to senior editor of msnbc digital content, cal perry. you have been looking at the
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newspapers, they have already been having a field day with trump. now we have the new comments, what has been reaction? >> trump has owned the news cycle here in the united states for 48 hours. but it's across the ocean. let me show you papers from the united kingdom. this is the new york daily newspaper here in new york. this is the statue of liberty he's taken the head off of. to london, "the times" of london, british police fear muslims. "the guardian" as well, one of the more iconic papers in london, trump faces backlash. and "the independent," this is the image most people are sharing online. today in the parliament it was questioned and debated, trump was hot topic. one of the things people are talking about, a petition circulating in the united kingdom to ban trump from entering the united kingdom. more than 200,000 people voted. so many people tried to get on the site at once and it crashed.
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>> cal, thank you for following that. appreciate it. we want to show everybody this shot out of waterloo, iowa. a live picture where any moment hillary clinton will conduct a town hall meeting with voters, possibly hitting trump hard again as she did last night in iowa when she linked him and his ideas to muslims to all republicans. take a listen. >> some of his republican candidates -- some of them are saying his latest comments have gone too far. but the reality is many of them have said extreme things about muslims. their language may be so vailed than trump's but the ideas not so different. >> kristen welker is joining me from waterloo, iowa. we reported earlier republicans are worried about the fact trump's rhetoric has on the 2016 races, but this may be seen from the democratic perative
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perspective as a huge gift. >> reporter: it is, indeed. there's no candidate arguably who benefits more from donald trump's recent controversial comments than hillary clinton. it gives her one more opportunity to paint the republican party with a trump brush, and she's out with a new web ad to refer to all the republican candidates as extreme. one of her top advisers who is a muslim-american has been tweeting about this, condemning trump's comments. also fund-raising off his comments. so this is really rallying the democratic base and allowing secretary clinton to draw a sharp contrast with the republican front-runner. today the current commander in chief said as well, he did so at the event marking the 150th anniversary of the abolition of slavery. let's take a listen to a little more of what president obama had to say a short while ago. >> to remember that our freedom is bound up with the freedom of
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others, regardless of what they look like or where they come from or what their last name is or what faith they practice. >> reporter: president obama's comments undoubtedly also rallying the democratic base. take a look at the polls quickly, thomas. according to a poll just out today, secretary clinton does best when matched up against donald trump in a general election. she gets 48% to trump's 44%. compare that to marco rubio who actually beats clinton 48% to 45%. she, by the way, beats carson and cruz narrowly. secretary clinton will be talking about her plan to crack down on corporate tax invery jens here in waterloo and talk about specifically pfizer. you can expect her to have sharp words yet again for donald trump. >> nbc's kristen welker reporting in iowa for us. thank you so much. we'll go to my colleague, frances rivera tracking the responses about the pulse question today. and this deals once again with donald trump. >> of course.
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when we asked this time have his comments about muslims jeopardized the united states and their image globally? look how we are stacking up when it comes to our scoreboard right now. this when we first started this an hour ago was more split. now we have those of our viewer who is say yes at 42%. that's been dropping. those who say no is growing to 58%. when you break this down very quickly, when it comes to republican party, we have seen how this in some cases we have heard may help the democratic party, may also hurt the gop. look how democrat viewers -- they have been decline to answer more no. as far as republican viewers, they have kind of been shifting yes and no in the last minute in realtime, more towards yes. independents reflecting democrats and their votes, kind of going more from yes when we started a few minutes ago to no in realtime. so keep the conversation going as we vote in our microsoft pulse question of the day. have donald trump's muslim comments jeopardized the u.s. image globally?
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we'll see if this continues to drop. >> broke a record yesterday with the pulse. we'll see how today does. >> any time donald trump is the topic, we definitely feel passion on both sides. >> thank you, frances. coming up next for everybody, investigators identify the third bomber in the paris bataclan attack. we'll tell you what they know about him and his link to terrorism. and we're watching growing protests in chicago as people there are angry with mayor rahm emanuel. live pictures you're looking at right now as people have come out to protest this special speech the mayor gave today. and this is all in reference to the police department's actions in several shooting deaths over the last year. the flu virus.
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month in paris. what have we learned about who this person is and how he was identified? >> reporter: well, thomas, we have been told that the third attacker, he's been identified as 23-year-old frenchman fouad mohamed-aggad. this morning the french prime minister told news outlets there the attacker was part of a group of a dozen radicalized young people who left a neighborhood in strausberg in september 2013. he was able to travel back to france and take part in that attack at the bataclan concert hall, the worst of the carnage that took place in november claiming 130 lives. his father, sayed mohamed-aggad while hiding his identity said he was surprised by the news and thought his son was still in syria. had he known his son would carry
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out the attacks, he would have killed him himself before the attacks. he was identified by french authorities matching dna with family members. his mother received a text message from syria telling her that her son had died as a martyr in the paris attacks. the mother reported this to the french police. they were able to i.d. him with her help. now one thing to point out, thomas, so far all of those identified attackers in these attacks have been french or belgium native french speakers radicalized. so the question around europe remains just how many more people are out there and are there more attacks being grown by terrorists. >> thank you for that. nice to see you. coming up, i'm going to ask the editor of "time" magazine why donald trump is not the person of the year.
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she's been called europe's conscience and now angela merkel is "time's" person of the year. it took many by surprise, the first individual woman to receive the honor since the magazine changed the title from man of the year in 2009 and she beat out a short list of candidates including republican presidential candidate donald trump, the leader of isis, caitlyn jenner, the organization black lives matter, president rowhani and travis calanik. joining me is carl vick editor at large for "time" magazine. carl, it is good to have you with me. congratulations on finally having the big secret out. a person not too happy about this, donald trump. so can i just read you what he said? >> sure. >> quote, i told you they would never pick me as person of the
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year. they picked the person ruining germany. what is your reaction to that? >> sure, well, depends on how you define ruin. interesting how his comments of muslims and immigration recently has framed the choice. it's not our choice is not reacting to that. we made this choice long enough ago to go to germany and report it and write the story. >> you need the time to do this. >> these things are down the road. he framed it. now she is termed the anti-trump because she, you know, she did everything exactly the opposite of what he's talking about. she welcomed a bunch -- torrent of mostly muslim refugees and asylum seekers. >> coming to world leaders or political leaders or political candidates, you asked folks who they wanted to see on your cover. i think bernie sanders came in as number one. >> yeah. >> "time" mass never had a presidential candidate? >> never named a candidate as
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person of the year. >> donald trump insulted for no reason. >> yes. well -- oh and bernie sanders, as well. >> he's not tweeted nasty stuff. >> he treats the media as an opportunity. we don't want to skew, you know, we don't want to look like we're endorsing anybody and also just that the way we determine who's most influential, you have to be in office already. >> yeah. on your online poll, 19th. bernie sanders topped the list for you. but angela merkel, how's it being digested that she was the cover of the year and what was the reaction to her doing this story? >> her reaction was muted. she didn't talk with us this time. she talked with us in the past. she didn't say anything personally so far as i know about the choice.
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she is in a delicate place politically and trying to get her feet back under her and her domestic political setting because of this great, bold stroke of letting, you know, million some people into the country over the last year. and they're still coming and germans are concerned. you know? >> yeah. >> about that. but i think she's also -- you know, it's a choice made not only because of the refugee crisis and her stewardship of the euro crisis. >> yeah. eu economy. they're first, engine of france coming in second. and now we know that that partnership is tested more than ever. >> it's true. >> with the crisis faced with terrorism. >> but the thing that unites it is that she is about letting -- bringing walls down and that's sort of what the european project is about. eu. globalization is about. germany's big on trade.
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the difference is she hasn't usually acted as boldly as she has and with an open heart, looked like the european stern banker until mid, late summer. >> carl, author of the cover story, thank you. appreciate your time. donald trump not backing down from his comments of muslims in this country. coming up at the top of the hour, what he had to say today. when the san bernardino shooters become radicalized? new information from the fbi says it may have happened years ago. then in chicago, protesters marching through the streets there today rallying against the police and demanding the resignation of the mayor.
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is speaking and there's a sizable and growing crowd marching through the streets. we have a live report from chicago in a few minutes. later this hour, i'll be speaking with the city alderman. we begin with criticism of donald trump and the the proposed muslim ban. this time, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. this tweet appeared on the official account of the prime minister. quote, prime minister benjamin netanyahu rejects the remarks about muslims. they're slated to meet in israel at the end of this month, the latest condemnation of donald trump from a world leader following that of britain's david cameron and today donald trump demanded the comments in an interview. >> so we'll have tremendous problems. getting worse and worse and those problems are coming from a certain sector. now, i did it for a limited period of time but our country has to get its act together.
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we have people that don't know what they're doing and we need safety. we want to make america great again but we need safety in our country. >> so we have two angles on this story that we want to cover at this moment and beginning with nbc's peter alexander joining us from washington. peter, what more can you tell us about the worldwide condemnation that continues to grow against donald trump? >> thomas, this story of benjamin netanyahu evolving as we speak right now. best we understand the reporting is that benjamin netanyahu or the israeli government is anticipating that scheduled trip by donald trump december 28th. scheduled two weeks ago before donald trump made these controversial comments. netanyahu says that heru teenly welcomes all presidential candidate to meet with them public len aprivately and doesn't amount in any way to an endorsement here and obviously there's great frustration across
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israel specifically about this. for one thing, 20% almost of the population in the state of israel is muslim right now. there have been a variety of leaders across the landscape there, some of them one specifically tweeting out that donald trump's comments should be considered racist. they said imagine if jews were banned from endtering the unite states. more broadly, though, you talk about the international frustration, condemnation. in britain, 250,000 british individual citizens signed a petition wanting to ban donald trump from entering that country. in the middle east, a popular chain of department stores is yanked donald trump's home line off of its shelves right now. another way that others throughout this world are expressing their frustration, their anger and then in many ways still a sense of disbelief by this heated rhetoric of donald trump himself.
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>> peter alexander, thank you in d.c. now host, political correspondent steve kornacki. explain how republicans and voters coordinating to react to trump's comments. >> not necessarily coordination. that's part of the story. you talk about the condemnation of trump's reark mamarks. donald trump, part of the response to that now seems to be to make a threat if you're coming after me too hard, maybe i'll run as an independent. this is what he said in the same interview this morning. >> the people, the republican party has been -- the people have been phenomenal. the party i'll let you know about that. and if i don't get treated fairly, i would certainly consider that. they did a poll in one of the -- i think "usa today" saying 68% of the people republicans would follow trump if he went independent. i don't want to do this. >> this is what republican leaders who are nervous about trump what he's doing to the party and might do as a nominee.
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this is what they're up against right now. newest numbers of new hampshire. first in the nation, donald trump more than doubling up the nearest rival, marco rubio. this does not measure the effect of the muslim comments but still a substantial lead there. iowa, little bit of a different story. ted cruz giving donald trump a run for his money and caught him in a poll there. notingly, though, all the republicans who are raining down all of that anger on donald trump right now, ted cruz not one of them. pointedly refusing to attack donald trump over this. and over many other things that donald trump said. if you want to understand where trump is deriving the support from, this is the divide in the republican party. this is a substantial divide between those with college degrees, without college doctoring degrees. half the party with degrees, half the party that doesn't have college degrees. look at the difference. those without college degrees, donald trump dominating nearly 50% of their votes. with college degrees, a muddled
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picture and fourth place there. that's the divide. the divide is not support, interestingly. it's not ideological. a lot of people say this is the candidate of the far right. well look. those who call themselves very conservative, 25% with trump. that's pretty good. 25% of those who call themselves somewhat conservative are with trump. look at this number. 31% calling themselves moderate with donald trump. his support coming from across the board ideologically and very interesting. he repeated that number. we played that clip. 68% of trump supporters, all those people, 68% of them saying, hey, if he does bold and go third party and independent next year, we're with him. it's a nightmare scenario for republicans. another this ing to point out, ted cruz going to be appearing on "morning joe." it's interview taped today and air tomorrow. and we said ted cruz, that one republican who's not attacking donald trump. he talked about that a little bit in that interview. let's play a clip for you.
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>> shouldn't you be more assertive when donald trump comes out and says he wants to keep all muslims out of the country? >> look. i have said i disagree with that proposal. but it is amazing how eeg ter media is -- i mean, the number one question i get day in, day out please attack donald trump. please attack donald trump. >> right. >> and, you know, i'll point out my approach to trump is same as every other republican candidate. i'm not interested in personal insults and mud slinging. >> thomas, that's a reality. republicans have to contend with. not only trump leading right now but the one candidate who's not really condemning him is in second place. >> ted cruz, hearing more from him tomorrow on "morning joe." thank you, sir. appreciate it. bing pulse question for you today focusing on donald trump and worldwide reaction to the plan of banning muslims from entering the country. have trump's muslim comments jeopardized the u.s. image globally? i want to see what your
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responses are now. here we have 28% saying, yes. 72% saying, no. so a spike there on the noes about the reaction to our image globally. keep the vote going. we'll have more reaction later in the hour. now the developments in the war against isis. defense secretary ash carter faced questioning from members of the senate armed services committee today and pressed on the current u.s. strategy to drive the terrorist organization out of iraq and syria. >> we will have to know what you're going to do. how you're going to do it, how it's going to be successful. that is not clear. not clear to the american people. not clear to congress. >> urgently ear fervently ask you for a strategy that you can tell us when we're going to take mosul, when we're going to take raqqah and wipe out this caliphate. frankly, i have not seen that. >> i think that we are building momentum against isil.
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i'm going to be very careful about describing -- i have described the trajectory of that success all around iraq and syria. >> nbc's jim miklaszewski joins me now from the pentagon. mick, did the secretary give any confidence to the members of the committ committee? >> reporter: well, not really, thomas. you know, mostly republicans on the senate armed services committee are still very critical of the overall strategy of the pentagon, the obama administration calling it too slow and incremental. at the best, the u.s. and the isis forces there still remain at a standoff. there's no sign of any kind of major breakthroughs. it is unreasonable to actually ask carter to predict when mosul will fall, when raqqah will fall, when the u.s. and coalition forces are going to be successful. and despite the slow -- some consider a slow and plodding process, you know, the u.s. is also has their hands tied in some extent by what the iraqi
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military will allow and even what we're told what some of the shia military forces out of iran there in iraq will accept. there are some reports actually that the shia have actually threatened the attack to attack them if they put in large number of forces and not as cut and dried as the republicans would like to have it but as the white house and the pentagon would like to have it it doesn't appear to be as aggressive and quickly enough as most would like to see. thomas? >> jim miklaszewski at the pentagon, thank you, sir. >> reporter: you bet. now senator ron johnson, republican from wisconsin. thank you for your time. >> hello, thomas. >> so let's start with the secretary carter and his statements today. do you feel as though the u.s. has a more clear strategy in the fight against isis currently? >> no. i agree with the goal that president obama stated 15 months
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ago to degrade and ultimately defeat isis. the difference is president obama's vision of ultimately is longer than i think republicans and i think most americans' vision. we want to defeat isis because as long as isis is not overtly losing they're going to be perceived as winners and continue to inspire and gain adherence to this barbaric ideology. we need to defeat isis sooner rather than later. >> talking about what it is to degrade and defeat isis, now we're in this different news cycle about what it means to degrade and demean muslims based on what donald trump has said and the worldwide criticism, sir, that's come out 24 hours after his proposal to ban muslims from traveling to america. do you support his policy if he were to be president? >> no. no, i do not. really what i have been focusing my efforts of homeland security government affairs is vulnerabilities. we have taken very seriously the
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fact we don't have secure borders. looking at the vulnerabilities facing this nation, i would look at the very unsecure borders. we have held 13 hearings, sight visits, we have a border that is not secure and that is quite honestly what i think is our biggest vulnerability. >> it was back in september, though, in deference to donald trump that you said you did not support his plan to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants. you said it was not a solution. what's the language that you want to use against donald trump's policy of banned muslims? do you have a passionate response as many other republican leaders have not expressed what that means, what that rhetoric truly don straits? >> i agree with secretary johnson. we need to engage muslim communities here in america so if they see something, they say something. this is that i agree with president obama to get the
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muslim world, the moderates, to rise up and renounce and reject this extreme ideology. we are going to need them on our side and arab states as part of a committed coalition of the willing to go in and be the boots on the ground with american troops to deny isis that territory. this is an enormously complex problem. i don't want to aggress it with demagogue ri but reality and then facing the reality and looking for real solutions securing the border and defeating isis in iraq and eventually syria. >> from this policy angle, the house overwhelmingly passed this bill yesterday and tighten control on visa-free travel to the u.s. how confident are you this will stop terrorists from getting in our borders? >> there is no panacea. there's nothing to totally solve the problem. this improves the security. the visa waiver program improves security -- requires all this
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information, intelligence sharing between the visa waiver countries. but there are vulnerables. we held a hearing on the syria refugee problem, the vetting process. i support certifying no short cuts in the vetting process. i support the fact that anybody traveled to syria and iraq and we have expanded to other countries where there's real terrorist activity, that they don't come into this country without an interview. so there are a number of things to do to strengthen our visa waiver program, the proceed yurls but we are vulnerable. there's no 100% cure here. we need a robust, effective intelligence gathering capability. we have degraded that as technology's moved on and encrypted accounts. we have got to understand that the threat of islamic terror is real, growing and we got to take the threat seriously. >> sir, talking about vulnerability, i would be remiss if i didn't ask you about "the new york times" with the look at the top five senators standing to lose their seats because of
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donald trump and the effect he's having on the party. they put you at number two in the tight race you have with russ feingold. are you worried about your own re-election if tlmp were the lead on the republican ticket? >> i'm feeling good about my race. i would rather be number 24 than 2 on the list but listen. what i'm doing on my campaign is doing my job. i'm addressing these problems. i'm telling the citizens of wisconsin the truth. i'm from manufacturing background. you first admit you have a problem and then solve it. >> senator johnson, thank you for your time. i appreciate it. >> have a great day. >> you, too. new revelations today from the fbi coming to the san bernardino shooters including how long ago they were radicalized. we'll go to california for the late nest a live report next. but first, it was just moments ago in iowa hillary clinton called out donald trump for what she calls dangerous
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rhetoric about the muslim community. take a listen. >> donald trump, you know, he does traffic in prejudice and paranoia. it's not only shameful, it's dangerous. so when he says he wants to stop all muslims from entering the united states, that runs counter to what i and others who have actually been in the situation room making hard choices know we have to do. proud of you, son. ge! a manufacturer. well that's why i dug this out for you. it's your grandpappy's hammer and he would have wanted you to have it. it meant a lot to him... yes, ge makes powerful machines. but i'll be writing the code that will allow those machines to share information with each other. i'll be changing the way the world works. (interrupting) you can't pick it up, can you? go ahead.
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more breaking news happening in chicago. demonstrators gathered in
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protest of the city's handling of the laquan mcdonald police shooting death. so this comes just hours after the embattled mayor emanuel speaked to the city council vowing police reform and issued a rare apology. >> i take responsibility for what happened because it happened on my watch. and if we're going to fix it i want you to understand it's my responsibility with you but if we're going to also begin the healing process the first step in that journey is my step. and i'm sorry. >> protesters gathered outside the chamber as the mayor spoke calling for him to step down. nbc's john yang following developments in chicago. and, john, so explain first the mayor tackling police reform in that speech, but also, what we're watching live in the
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moment now with the protesters seemingly taking over intersections and getting more crowded. >> these protesters about a couple hundred according to the reporter for channel 5 wmaq here in chicago when's marching along with them. about 200. they have now blocked the entrance to the expressway on the southern end of the loop for people who may know downtown chicago. they were hoping to go north to the magnificent mile along michigan avenue where a lot of christmas shopping is going on now but police were able to steer them south away from that area. they did go into the financial district. they went to the board of trade, the board of option exchange. they were not able to get in to try to disrupt business. they've blocked the intersection, congress and wells, again if you know chicago, an entrance to the eisenhower expressway. this all coming after the mayor
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made his remarkable address to the chicago city council. as you say, owning this issue, apologizing for what happened to laquan mcdonald more than a year ago, shot 16 times by a police officer who's now standing -- charged with murder. he's pleaded not guilty in that. he did talk about very emotionally talked about a meeting he had this weekend with a group of young black men who have had brushes with the law. >> one young man asked me a simple question that gets to the core of what we're talking about. he said, do you think the police would ever treat you the way they treat me? and the answer is, no. and that is wrong! and that has to change in this
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city. that has to come to an end and end now. no citizen is a second-class citizen in the city of chicago! [ applause ] >> reporter: the mayor addressing what he sees as one reason for the anger on the streets, anger i have to admit he didn't seem to fully appreciate how much it's been festering and how much it's been brought to the boil by the laquan mcdonald case and now feeding itself out or expressing itself in this march. looks like they're on the move again here. i should say that at least one person of channel 5 saw a protester loaded into a police van early on at the beginning of this. he said that that western was released after only about ten minutes and not charged, not taken to be charged. i should say that in previous protests, i'm not out on the
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street today obviously, but previously police said they're under order to let them breathe, give them space, to let them have their say. exercise as the mayor says, exercise their 1st amendment rights but draw the line at any violence or any law breaking. but this -- this anger has taken a long time to build and it's going to take a long time to deal with. thomas? >> i think we'll be covering the aftershocks for sometime. john yang in chicago, thank you. san bernardino involved two killers who are radicalized for quite a listening time before their attack. they were actually radicalized before they started courting or dating each other online. as early as the end of 2013 they were talking the each other about jihad and martyrdom before being engaged. >> contrary to earlier speculation, syed farook's wife
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did not radicalize him. in fact, they were each on their own path to radicalization long before they began their online relationship and even before the rise of isis. nbc news also learned more from officials close to the san bernardino investigation about how long the couple had been planning their attack. nbc's blake mccoy is joining us now with more on that. blake, when's the very latest on this investigation of the couple? >> reporter: well, thomas, our law enforcement sources now believe that this couple had been planning the attack for up to a year which if you recall tashfeen malik, the wife, just came into the country last year and seem they were planning the attack almost the entire time she was in the country with her new husband. a few reasons they believe that, one, they say evidence points to them practicing at local gun ranges for at least a past year and during that time, there's evidence that the couple making preparations for the mother, his mother, and their child that they left behind, that 6-month-old child.
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most recently, the evidence indicates that they had a $28,500 loan taken out and put in his account and the law enforcement believes it was used to secure a future for that mother and child once these two were killed in the attacks. right now, back here live at the scene, if you take a look behind me, a green fence has been erected around the building for the first time. this fence to keep peering eyes away as fbi investigators continue their investigation because all of the streets around this site have been reopened and, thomas, it is almost one week to the minute that this attack happened here in san bernardino. and we are getting word that some of the families may come by for a procession in the next few hours. thomas? >> blake mccoy reporting in san bernardino, california, blake, thank you. illnesses linked to a boston chipotle might not be e. coli after all. what are they saying they believed caused 80 college
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initial testing shows it is no rovirus. it's highly contagious. boston health officials cited this particular chipotle with multiple violations including keeping meat at incorrect temperatures and also allowing a sick employee to come to work. >> that any establishment would allow somebody to be in the facility who was sick and did not follow protocol. >> in a statement, chipotle said the safety and well-being of the customers is always the highest priority and the restaurant at cleveland circle in boston is temporarily closed while we work with local health officials to investigate illnesses of boston college students. the chain is still reeling from an e. coli outbreak and no related cases in massachusetts but 47 people affected in at least 6 other states and the recent health shares sent the shares tumbling down nearly 19%
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this year. most people who contracted the norovirus should feel better in two or three days and chipotle acknowledged a possible risk in their 2014 annual report writing this, that we may be at a higher risk for food-bourn illness outbreaks due to the use of fresh produce and meats rather than frozer and employees cooking with traditional methods rather than automation and using the fresh food is why they're having the problems according to chipotle. >> typically a selling factor. they promote that. thanks so much. appreciate the breakdown. we have a new bloomberg poll out today on the 2016 race. how do americans really feel about donald trump's controversial call for a ban on muslims entering the u.s.? you might be surprised. black lives matter activists in chicago streets today. i'm speak with the chicago city alderman about what they're calling for today, especially after the mayor's emotional
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now, more of the breaking news in chicago. hundreds of protesters are marching, demanding the resignation of the mayor. it's happening just hours after the mayor delivered a special speech to the city council where he took responsibility for the police shooting death of laquan mcdonald. >> happened on october 20th, 2014. should never have happened. supervision and leadership in the police department and the oversight agencies that were in place failed. and that has to change. i am the mayor. as i said the other day, i own it. >> angry protesters gathered outside the chamber as the mayor spoke calling for him to step
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down. we are covering this story from a number of angles, legal questions to community leadership responses. we are joined by chicago alderman will burns who was in the chamber as the mayor delivered that speech today. thank you so much. i want your first thoughts and reaction to this speech, mayor emanuel gave. was it humble and contrite and do you think it will work? >> well, i think, thomas, i think it's an important first step. i think it was important for the people of chicago to know how much these issues mean to the mayor and his commitment to working with the city council, to working with outside experts and community leaders to come up with real solutions to reforming chicago police department so that these kinds of things don't happen again in the future. >> is he only feeling this humble and the fact that there's been such an outpouring and a response that he needed to do this? it wasn't such reflex of a leadership position as it was a learning experience for him to
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get to this point? >> i don't know if i would agree with that. i think that the mayor's been very concerned about making sure that this city works for everybody. and, you know, the laquan mcdonald video is disturbing to say the least. the inactive from the state's attorney's office to prosecute, indict the officer, officer vandyke, for his killing certainly troubling. the fact it took almost a year for charges to be brought and this is a powder keg. i was in a community meeting last night. there's anger out there and people want results and to know that the mayor and city council working to achieve results and not the same old, same old. where you have recommendations and we have seen the problems over decades. the '70s, police brutality in chicagoment it's not new. the public demands swift action. >> so we -- i know we watched this live earlier but i want to
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remind everybody about the part of this speech that the gave where he got emotional and the connection he was trying to make. take a look awe have to listen to the parents whose children were killed. and see their extraordinary grace. their strength. and their courage. that is required of them. to endure the infinite pain of burying a child. >> so we know in response to this, a special task force has been designated to look in to issues in chicago. we know that loretta lynch and the department of justice will be taking its own investigative look into the actions of the police force and if the actions are unconstitutional but the mayor added body camera program that's new, new leadership, replacing the head of the independent police review authority, forming a task force
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that i mentioned. do you think that rahm emanuel can survive this crisis? >> i think we all just got elected at the beginning of this year. and i think what will determine the future, rahm emanuel's political future and my political future, for that matter, as well, is the point we implement the recommendations of the task force and the speed with which we do it. the department of justice will take about a year to complete its investigation and program of practice of the police department of the city and we have to move as quickly as possible to make reforms to the independent police review authority, disciplinary practices in the chicago police department. >> this is live images of protesters in the streets, the sole reason they're out today is abject issue they have to the mayor. they want his resignation. and you think that what he has
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provided, the strategy is going to work not only from interior leadership of the people he surround himself with and the confidence of chicagoans back? >> i think the way you get the confidence back is to do the work. i think it's an important first step to express concern, to show your commitment, but you have to produce. and we're all in the same boat. i was at a community meeting last night and a number of folks calling on members of the black caucus to resign, as well. and arguing that we're come police it with the mayor covering up the laquan mcdonald video. we are all under a tremendous amount of scrutiny and rightly so and i think we have reached an inflection point where we move forward and do the things that have needed to be done, the chicago police department, for a very long time. >> alderman burn, thank you for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you, thomas. new reaction to donald trump's call to ban muslims from coming into the u.s. bloomberg's online snap polls
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donald trump is trying to divide and conquer america in a shameless political manner and it's not really adding to the commentary. we cannot take this carnival barker cartoon reality tv person in any kind of serious way. >> so there there have philadelphia mayor michael nutter on msnbc a short time ago. one of a number of political leaders criticizing the muslim ban and this cannot be said of all voters. there are a lot of people out there where this message is rez natding. joining me is political analyst and managing editor john homlin. let's show the results.
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most oppose the ban. however, breaking it down by partisan lines, most republicans favoring the idea. democrats reject it. what else did you find out what this snap poll? >> well, those are the things we found out, thomas. the two interesting things are is that the breakdown is democrats really against it. republicans really for it. independents also against it broadly speaking but, you know, we did a poll done in a two-phase way and said trump proposed a temporary ban on muslims coming into the country and we said it's indefinitely and added wording and the numbers didn't change. a fear of terrorism, fear of immigration and maybe some degree of religious bigotry, whatever those combinations are, driving republican on donald trump's side and the talk about this may have been the thing to end the trump phenomenon doesn't seem to be there in these
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numbers. >> jeb bush said that donald trump is using a dog whistle for politics and worked in the past for other people. is this in your opinion something you have never seen before especially with the poll numbers that support donald trump at this stage in the primary? >> i'd say unprecedented, thomas. donald trump has -- this is obviously the most egregious said he said, the thing that caused the most outrage on the part of -- across both parties from dick cheney all the way to all the leaders of the democratic party and the most -- kind of egregious sang he's said and saying controversial, offensive things for his campaign and none of them, none of them, not one has ever caused him to seem to lose any of the momentum that he's had and any strength among republican voters so, you know, i have -- you have to think at this point that whatever it is that's going to stop donald trump if something's going to stop donald trump from being the republican nominee, not a controversy. it is not going to be something
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he says that upsets people but something else and maybe him losing an election, that might take the air out of the balloon but not a controversy of his own creation. >> john, great to see you. thank you. >> thanks, thomas. all right. coming up, we take you back to chicago. show you images as more people have taken to the streets there. the protests and in reaction to the mayor's speech today. taking responsibility in the police matter and the shooting death of mcdonald. back in a moment. at planters we know how to throw a remarkable holiday party. just serve classy snacks and be a gracious host, no matter who shows up. [cricket sound] richard. didn't think you were going to make it. hey sorry about last weekend, i don't know what got into me. well forgive and forget... kind of. i don't think so! do you like nuts?
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following breaking news out of chicago. protesters outside of a macy's blocked from entering by macy's. nbc's john yang following the story for us. john, what can you tell us? >> seeing the protest march go through the downtown chicago. they're in the heart of state street for those people who know downtown chicago. the loop. this is macy's where they tried to get in.
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the old marshall field. they're now it looks like trying to move on to michigan avenue and perhaps move up north. this has been a peaceful protest according to wmaq's reporter, our nbc station here in chicago. some tense moments at the beginning. there was an altercation that anthony could not see. some protesters or at least one protester was put into a police wagon and released about ten minutes later. the police appear to be letting them have their say, giving them space, giving them room to march through downtown chicago but trying to keep them out of the stores. thomas? >> john yang reporting in chicago. thank you. we are here today to say loud and clear to donald trump and to all others that speak hate and division, that enough is enough. >> so that was the scene this morning in new york city as members of the city council and
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religious leaders denounce donald trump for the latest political rhetoric. during the controversy, supporters are standing with him. a facebook post is getting a lot of traction. a message of a muslim world to non-muslim allies more what they can do for muslim-americans in the background of this divisive rhetoric saying, quote, while many of us rely on faith to be strong, we are human. this is not an easy time. what you do will mean everything, muslim-americans around you. i'm joining by sofia ali-khan, author of that facebook post. thank you for being here. >> thanks, thomas, for having me. i appreciate it. >> absolutely. right off the bat, i want to play a supporter of donald trump had to say about this proposal and get your reaction. take a listen. >> okay. >> who's cutting off people's heads? who's bombing buildings, bombing airplanes? not the christians, now the jewish, it's the muslims.
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you got that on camera, sport? >> what is your reaction to that because that's his reality and donald trump is playing in to that reality for many of the american voting public. >> yeah. i guess, you know, the truth is that any human being on the face of the planet would hear about those things happening, see the coverage of those things happening and be terrified and american-muslims are no different. i think the impetus for the post was -- was really trying to speak to those who already know that. our friends, our co-workers, our neighbors, the people who know that we are no more -- no more violent extremists than any other american. that we are trying to raise our children and go to work safely and worship in peace. the same as our -- as the rest
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of america. and so, is it terrifying when's happening around the world? absolutely. but unfortunately what's happening is that that fear is being used to drive -- to drive a level of hatred and violence towards american muslims that's -- it's just unacceptable fly's a hysteria and certainly a pa paranoia that bubbled up and in your post you have a muslim work colleague that you write about in this post, if you have a work colleague, jump in, keep an eye out for neighbors and talk to your kids. the suggestions and the things you're trying to do for other folks, how have people responded via social media to what you put out there? >> i think it appears that the post really captured a genuine and generalized sentiment among
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americans, all americans, that -- or at least many, 55,000 shares so a whole lot of folks who really see that the path that republican presidential candidates would have us head down is not the path that we want to be heading down. i think what the post did was it captured a sort of a burning desire to speak up and say, no, that kind of rhetoric, that hateful political rhetoric, that's not what i believe. that's not the country that i want to live in. and, you know, people want to stand up for fairness and kindness. >> yes. >> the comment that is have come through, the words kindness, unity, fairness, equality, those keep coming up over and over again and it just seems like the post has been a vehicle for
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people to speak out. >> it is resonating. >> and say those are their values. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you, thomas. >> thank you for all of your time at home. i'll see you back here tomorrow. kate snow is next. red 97! set! red 97! did you say 97? yes. you know, that reminds me of geico's 97% customer satisfaction rating. 97%? helped by geico's fast and friendly claims service. huh... oh yeah, baby. geico's as fast and friendly as it gets. woo! geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more.
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