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thinking i really did something bad. well, not bad, but i really did something serious. previous plots. investigators say syed farook was discussing another attack as early as 2012. >> we're working very very hard to understand did they have other plans either for that day or earlier. and rerouted. donald trump postponing his scheduled trip to israel to visit prime minister netanyahu at least for now. >> but i didn't want to put him under pressure, number one. i also did it because i'm in the midst of a very powerful campaign that's going very well and it was not that easy to do, so i would say lots of different reasons.
good day. i'm peter alexander in washington today in for andrea mitchell. is he a deserter or confused soldier? beau bergdahl, the army sergeant who walked away from his base in afghanistan in 2009 only to be captured and held by the taliban for nearly five years now telling his side of the story. his account was released this morning in the debut of the podcast serial's second season. >> 20 minutes out i'm going good grief, i'm in over my head. suddenly it really starts to sink in that i really did something bad. well, not bad, but i really did something serious. >> bergdahl was charged with desertion. this comes on the same day that house republicans are releasing a new report that claims the obama administration misled congress about the effort to release the so-called taliban five, the handful of taliban detainees from guantanamo, in exchange for sergeant bergdahl.
my colleague, nbc's jim miklaszewski joins us now from the pentagon. what more can you tell us about bergdahl's recounting of events even as he faces a possible court martial? >> it was really intriguing if not compelling to hear this story told in the first person, in bergdahl's own voice. now, part of the story was that he left his post there in afghanistan to walk to a larger command because he was concerned about the conditions and poor leadership, according to bergdahl, there at his own post that probably threatened the lives of his fellow soldiers but once he was out there in the wilderness for about 20 minutes, he then says he concocted a new plan or idea, at least, to hunt down some taliban planting ieds, track them to their base, so that when he returned to his outpost, he would have some kind of cover story at least, or information that might amelio
rate any kinds of concerns or punishment. all of that in bergdahl's interview with the investigating officer but the court nevertheless has charged him with not only desertion but misbehavior before the enemy which carries a potential life sentence. but none of that, the convening authority general robert abrams has yet to decide on the disposition. he could either order bergdahl to be court martialed on those charges, could reduce the charges or dismiss them all together. as i understand it, that's been -- that's some of the frustration from the attorney representing bowe bergdahl. >> we will speak to that attorney in just a moment. what are you hearing from the pentagon today about those charges by house republicans? >> you know, they look at that as pretty much a political fight between republicans on capitol hill and the white house. of course, the republicans claiming that the president, the white house violated the law by
not giving congress a 30-day notice before that prisoner swap for bergdahl, the release of five taliban fighters, considered critical by some in the military and intelligence agency to the taliban fight in afghanistan, and the concern here of course is that they would ultimately return to the fight. they are still being held under house arrest in qatar but nevertheless, republicans intend to make this a political fight at least if not a legal one between congress and the white house over the release of those five taliban prisoners. >> jim miklaszewski, thanks. nice to visit with you. we are joined by sergeant bergdahl's attorney. sergeant bergdahl, sir, appreciate your being with us, agreed to have these 25 hours of tapes made public, why? >> well, let me say this. i think we have struggled from the very beginning to get
sergeant bergdahl's version of events out so the public could proceed on the basis of some information instead of rumor and innuendo. our view has been the more the public and people in positions of authority and i'm including congress, by the way, as well as candidates for president of the united states, the more everyone knows about the facts and circumstances, the better handle they will have in order to draw opinions and draw conclusions. so net-net i think this is a good thing. >> among the frustrations you express is so many critics have referred to sergeant bergdahl as a traitor, among them donald trump. this sort of language you think is problematic. >> oh, he's the defamer in chief. mr. trump can barely come within a foot of a microphone without saying that my client is, his phrase is dirty no good traitor which i guess is the worst kind of traitor. mr. trump should really be ashamed of himself. we are keeping a list of the
times that he does this. it's really outrageous. >> let me ask you specifically about this compelling first person account that we are now hearing from your client. not only did sergeant bergdahl want to raise red flags about leadership, as he tells it, about leadership issues at this remote outpost in eastern afghanistan but that he also considered tracking taliban insurgents, placing ieds, as he tells it, in the road to demonstrate he was sort of a stellar soldier to avoid getting into trouble. here he was comparing himself in effect to jason bourne. >> i was capable of being that person. >> like a super soldier, you mean? >> yeah. capable of being what i appeared to be. doing what i did was me saying i am like, i don't know, jason bourne. >> right. a character. >> yeah. i had this fantastic idea that i
was going to prove to the world that, you know, i was the real thing. i could be, you know, i could be what it is that all those guys out there who go to the movies and watch those movies, they all want to be that. but i wanted to prove that i was that. >> so walk us through your client's thinking. what was his thinking? >> all i can do really is refer you to the podcast as well as the testimony that emerged at the article 32 preliminary hearing in september. i can't obviously divulge my professional conversations that i have had with the client. >> can we be convinced he didn't just invent this story, i guess? >> i beg your pardon? >> can we be convinced he didn't invent this story? he would have had plenty of time to do so. >> well, what i would suggest is that people who are concerned about this should listen to the podcasts to begin with, of which
we have only heard the first one, and they should read the record of the article 32 hearing which is a public document and they should support our efforts to get the army to release the full transcript of sergeant bergdahl's interview. what i can say is now lieutenant general kenneth doll interviewed sergeant bergdahl in my presence for over a year at fort sam houston and came away thinking he was getting the straight story from sergeant bergdahl. >> truthful and sincere, to use his language. >> that is exactly right. the general had a full opportunity to probe and press sergeant bergdahl and that's where he came out. >> when do you expect a ruling? are you frustrated this process has dragged on? does this somehow complicate it, this sort of publicity now around this case? >> well, yeah, i suppose it complicates it. the matter has been on the desk of the four star general at ft.
bragg since late october. i would have hoped it would perhaps be resolved by thanksgiving. christmas is coming up. this would be a good time to get this thing behind us. >> i want to listen to a little more of bowe bergdahl on serial explaining his time in captivity and ask you a little about how he's doing right now. take a listen. >> there's times when i would wake up and it's just so dark, i would wake up not even remembering what i was. you know how you get that feeling on the tip of your tongue, that happened to me only it was like what am i. >> so how is your client doing right now? what is sergeant bergdahl's mental state right now? >> well, i can't share privileged information. what i can tell you is what emerged at the article 32 hearing and i don't think circumstances have changed since then. it's clear that he would be a
very good candidate for continuing care. i think everybody recognizes that. he's gone through an ordeal of nearly five years at the hands of the taliban and a year and a half during which he's basically been a pin cushion for everybody in the country who wants to take a shot at president obama. what i can say is he, like everybody else, is ready for this to be over so we can move on to other things. >> we very much appreciate your time today. we look forward to hearing more of the serial podcasts as for the first time we do hear from your client. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. up next, plans unfulfilled. the feds are looking into whether the san bernardino killers had more attacks planned. the latest on the investigation with the ranking member on the house intelligence committee, adam schiff, next. [meow mix jingle slowly and quietly plucks] right on cue.
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officials investigating last week's shooting in san bernardino said syed farook, one of the two shooters, was discussing a terror attack with a neighbor as early as 2012 but got cold feet. nbc's justice correspondent is pete williams. he's joining us now with the latest details. pete, what do we know about this earlier terror plot, the neighbor enrique marquez, i think his name is, bought the two semiautomatic rifles used in the shootings last week in california and sources tell nbc news that he's still being questioned by investigators? >> not much more than what you just said, peter. that's exactly it. he is still being questioned. we will probably know when the questioning's over when they believe they have learned all they can or he stops being cooperative.
when they file charges against him as they almost certainly will, at the very least firearms charges. he did buy the two assault rifles, so-called, that were used in the attack, and he either bought them for farook or somehow transferred them to farook and failed to report it which would be a violation of state law. the larger question is what more -- he's really the best witness on farook's contacts. was he in touch with other people, were they discussing other targets, other plans, were there other people coming and going from the house that were aware of this. that's an urgent question for the fbi. so marquez is an interesting figure here, because not only does he seem to know a lot of information, but he potentially could face some criminal jeopardy himself. that's a route that the fbi is trying to thread right now but in terms of this so-called
earlier plot, that may be too grand a word for it. what my understanding is, there was some discussion, they talked about various places in southern california, in the los angeles area, but then didn't carry it out. they say they got spooked or got cold feet because of some arrests in the area on terror charges that were completely unrelated to this. so the question is how does the purchase of the assault rifles fit into all this. did that just sort of go along on a coincidental parallel track or were they purchased for this or did the plan grow out of that or what. they still have a lot of work to do to put that together. >> pete, thank you very much. for more on this we are joined by congressman adam schiff, the ranking member of the intelligence committee. congressman, thank you for being with us. we very much appreciate it. give us a sense, what more do we know right now about this past discussion -- >> i lost my audio, i'm afraid. >> i will ask it again. what more can you tell us about
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we're back. how about we try this again right now. we are joined by congressman adam schiff, the ranking member of the intelligence committee. congressman, thanks so much. we know you can hear us this time. i will get right to my first question to you which is specifically about what we are hearing about potential past plans by syed farook. what more can you tell us about those plans that we are now learning? >> at this point i'm really cabined by what the director said yesterday and most alarming to us in congress is the fact that both shooters may have been in contact online for quite some time radicalized even before frankly the growth of isis and
the fact that you may have had these international communications without our knowing, that you would have had that entry by the female shooter, malik, into the country through the visa process and that nothing suspicious was caught in that process, and there may have been a prior plot as you mention that went completely undiscovered is of grave concern to us. we will be analyzing this both from the perspective of are there other coconspirators still out there, perhaps not on the san bernardino plot but that had been plotting with farook in the past as well as how did we miss these international communications. >> so congressman, talk about some of these frustrations. is this simply a case of we say if you see something, say something. as we talk about this potential recent plan, if not plot, where someone certainly saw something and may have been part of something and never said something. >> well, that's exactly right. i think initially, we had the impression as the facts are first coming to light that maybe
this couple self-radicalized, didn't discuss it with others. those are the most difficult to discover because they are not communicating with others, not posting things on social media, but now what the director is telling us is that these two were radicalized even before they met in person, before they married, before she came to this country, so there were a great many things that could have tipped us off as to the radicalization of these two. the question is why didn't we see this coming and that's a profound question we need to get to the bottom of. >> congressman schiff, a week before this attack the president, the administration told americans there were no credible or specific threats here so given this new circumstance where this may exist in our midst right now, how are we supposed to have faith in what we hear from our government officials right now? >> well, i think what we can say before the san bernardino attack, excuse me, in the immediate aftermath was that in terms of the paris attacks we didn't see any local cell that
was affiliated with those attackers in paris and with respect to san bernardino, we at that time did not see this as part of a broader plot. we are learning more, doesn't necessarily mean there were more attackers involved in san bernardino but nonetheless, i understand the concern. time will tell as this investigation goes on if there are things that we miss that we should not have, if there are flaws in the visa system, additional flaws that we need to correct, but these are good and very important questions. it does not at this point certainly seem like a case where it flew so far below the radar that it would be impossible to have discovered. there were communications, international communications -- >> which is exactly where the concern i think for a lot of people lies right now. i want to conclude, if i can quickly, you are about to start circulating your plan for military authorization to fight isis. we haven't had one since i think just after 9/11 last time. you were critical of the
administration's lack of recently critical of the administration's lack of strategy. you are now calling for ground troops in combat roles, specifically what are you looking for with this authorization? >> i'm not calling for ground troops in a combat role. but what i am suggesting to break the impasse here on the hill, which has largely been about whether ground troops would or would not be authorized is a resolution that would repeal all prior resolutions both -- it would authorize force against not only isis but al qaeda and the taliban and would provide that if the president made the decision at any point to introduce ground troops, a privileged motion in congress would be in order so we can take up a vote to revise or repeal that authority. that may be enough to bridge this divide between the parties and actually vote on an authorization. >> congressman adam schiff, a lot on your plate, a lot on congress's plate right now. appreciate you spending time with us. thanks so much. >> thanks, peter. the invisible man. who is waiting in the wings for
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who instead of offering realistic policy preys on the fears of the public, doing isis' job for them. even fellow republican jeb bush acknowledged trump's goal is to manipulate people's angst and fears. south carolina congressman and assistant democratic leader james clyburn is joining us now. leader clyburn, i appreciate your time. donald trump laid out this anti-muslim proposal in your home state last month. the retweet he sent out with that image of a swastika in it should be disqualifying, it didn't have any impact. what about this proposal? >> well, this proposal is further evidence of the fact that mr. trump should never be president of the united states of america. now, just because he's popular doesn't mean he ought to be the president. i remember david duke, pretty popular guy down in louisiana running for governor.
i don't think his popularity made him suitable to be governor. and i don't think that trump's popularity makes him suitable to be president of the united states, just that simple. >> in south carolina, though, donald trump's numbers, they grew after these comments. he's up 20 points there. bloomberg politics poll as well shows that roughly two-thirds of likely republican primary voters say that they support trump's proposal. nothing he says seems to hurt him with these supporters so obviously he's speaking to something out there. clearly this isn't the way most people agree it should be said. but is there something to what he's saying about the real tangible fears in this country? >> oh, sure. he's speaking to something. the southern poverty law center has for years been tracking these attitudes throughout the country and those people who respond to mr. trump are people
that we know about. i read the southern poverty law center's work quite a bit. we know they're there and they are being awakened by all of this, but it's not anything that alarms me. it's distressing, it's disappointing, but at the age of 75, having been born and raised in south carolina, i know a little bit about those attitudes. yes, they're still there in many places. we see the results in other elections. >> i want to ask you before we let you go, we know you have been watching closely what's been happening in one of america's biggest cities, chicago, right now. you served with rahm emanuel for years. you are also hearing the outrage from a lot of his constituents right now. do you think it's time for rahm emanuel to step aside? >> oh, i would not express an opinion on that at all. but i do believe as we say down
south, when it comes to the chicago police department, there is something rotten in the cotton. that is very, very clear to me. i have said before coverups are very prevalent in that police department. i have no idea how high up these coverups go, but i really believe it's time for an independent investigation, not just the kind of review that's being done by the justice department. i'm talking about something to investigate criminality, an independent prosecutor i think ought to be brought on to look into what is going on in the chicago police department, because it's very clear to me that there's something very, very wrong in that department. >> leader clyburn, always a pleasure to visit with you. thank you very much for your time this day. >> thank you. donald trump is changing his travel plans. shortly after israeli prime
minister benjamin netanyahu rejected trump's muslim ban idea, trump announced he will reschedule his trip until, in trump's words, after i become president. joining me for our daily fix is chris cillizza, msnbc contributor and founder of the "washington post" fix blog. big party over there just yesterday. "usa today" washington bureau chief susan page and mark hall pr halpern, managing editor at bloomberg politics. i want to get a sense, we heard from donald trump a short time ago telling the "wall street journal" right now basically that he doesn't really believe benjamin netanyahu, i think he says he doubts that he actually disagrees with me but he didn't want to put pressure on the prime minister here. even when he gets the criticism like this, he's able to sort of twist it in a way that doesn't appear he's backing down. >> that's right. the israeli government indicated they disagreed with his policy on muslims and singling out of muslims and he backed down, but as you say, not in a way conceding there was anything to back down about.
being gracious, being the gracious visitor by not putting the prime minister on the spot. of course, he's met with netanyahu before. they have something of a relationship. but he made no sign he's going to go back there between now and the election next november. i thought that was interesting he put it off that far until after he's in the white house. >> and notably one of the challenges for netanyahu is there's 20% of the population nearly in israel who is muslim as well. some of these offensive comments from trump affect people in domestic politics for netanyahu there as well. mark, if i can, to you, do we have mark right now? he's there. okay. mark, your bloomberg politics poll gave us a pretty surprising snapshot of the republican support for trump's proposal. it was an online poll which basically means it is effectively anonymous. doesn't this give us a real window into how many republicans are feeling and put pressure on trump's opponents to in some way embrace the fact that hey, he's on to something? >> you think donald trump's
unhappy that he's with two-thirds of the republican electorate, many more people support him against the establishment of the republican or democrat party? my guess is he's not. it will be fascinating to see in the next couple days whether his rivals as well as people on capitol hill continue to criticize him for something that again, highly popular with republican primary voters. >> chris, let's turn to the other big name for republicans, ted cruz. i want our viewers to see the title of your piece, donald trump leads in the polls but ted cruz looks more like the favorite. say cruz wins iowa, new evidence that seems very likely, in what states does this momentum help him going forward? maybe new hampshire not as well but south carolina, he's got a lot of speed, doesn't he? >> yeah. he's already in second place in south carolina and it's a state similar electorate-wise, if history is any judge, that state looks like iowa. lots of evangelicals, religious conservatives. it's a quite conservative
electorate. look, march 1st, we don't talk that much about it because we got to get through february first. if you go to march 1st, the so-called s.e.c. primary, texas, tennessee, alabama, georgia, these are all places where you would expect someone who is of the south, ted cruz, from texas, as well as his messaging which is very, very conservative, aggressively so on things like immigration and obamacare. you would think that would do well, assuming he makes it that far and i think he will. >> we should say nice new newsroom, nice new haircut. >> i figured i would get both. yeah. newsroom opened today. they gave me a haircut for free. just kidding. >> it looks very nice. hey, mark, to you quickly. the "new york times" is reporting that cruz at this private fund-raiser in manhattan is telling attendees it was a challenging question on trump or carson, whether he was comfortable with either of them having in his words their finger on the button.
>> he said he wouldn't comment on a fund-raiser than talked about the importance for all the candidates to show judgment on national security. i don't want to prejudge it without more reporting. but i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if ted cruz said that. he has been very disciplined in not krcriticizing donald trump public. but as we get closer to iowa he will be under increasing pressure to make the distinction. there's no doubt that particularly in manhattan where he was speaking yesterday on park avenue or madison avenue to a bunch of rich new yorkers, there's no doubt he wants to get their money and get them to invest in him as the person to stop donald trump and for that kind of voter, the question of whether trump is ready and qualified and has the judgment to command the nuclear arsenal is i think a pretty cutting issue. wouldn't surprise me if he said it, he didn't deny it today. >> the past two cycles, whichever republican wins in iowa did not end up at the top of the ticket. do you think ted cruz potentially could change that?
>> he has a much clearer path to the nomination than either of the last two victors in iowa because he's well organized in south carolina and across the south and because he has strength with evangelical christians and against donald trump, he looks like the establishment alternative, if it came down to the two of them which would be a surprise to many in the republican establishment in washington. >> he has the potential to inherit a lot of donald trump supporters if trump doesn't make it all the way. >> as he has already done with ben carson supporters. that's been the source of a lot of the rise. >> carson going down, cruz going up. chris, big picture, "new york times"/cbs news poll shows trump doubling his closest opponent nationally. what's going through the rnc's head? >> i mean, i talked to some people in the republican party over the last few days and one person i said what do you do about trump, because the establishment attacking trump is good for trump. they said the guy's answer was pray.
that i think in some ways speaks to where the establishment is in relation to donald trump. they cannot stop him. they can hope another candidate, they can hope donald trump himself though i find that hard to believe if he hasn't imploded yet, that somehow, some way he gets knocked off track. but the idea that reince priebus or republican national committee or any sort of big party organization can stop donald trump, convince people who are for donald trump to not be for him, we have seen zero evidence of that. i will pioint out, he's up highr than he has been the last couple months. i think 35% is the highest he's been in polling, right? >> that's exactly right. chris cillizza, mark halpern and susan page, nice to see all of you. thank you guys very much. there is breaking news. while we were talking, this just happened in hartford, connecticut, governor malloy just announced a plan to ban the sale of guns to anyone on the federal no-fly or terror watch lists. the state is asking for access
to those lists from the federal government. he says he has been in contact with the white house directly about this plan. the measure would be the first in the nation of its kind. again, this breaking news is from connecticut. the governor there planning to ban the sale of guns to anyone on the federal no-fly or terror watch list. something the president would like to see happen nationally.
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over this past week has been mayor rahm emanuel whose political future could be tied to a recall effort that is building inside that city. nbc's john yang is live outside chicago's city hall right now. john, there are a lot of technical hurdles that would need to be cleared for mayor emanuel to really be in any danger of losing his job here. isn't that right? >> that's exactly right. the first hurdle is they have to get this into law. there is no recall mechanism right now. yesterday in springfield, illinois, two members of the illinois legislature from chicago introduced a measure that would create a mechanism to recall -- to have a recall election. now, the legislature's not in session. they won't be in session until january 13th. the business on the floors of both houses are controlled by chicago democrats. the president of the senate and the president -- speaker of the
house. so just getting it to the floor will be a challenge. both these lawmakers who introduced it have touch primary challenges in march. that may -- they may be trying to distance themselves from mayor emanuel in advance of those primaries, but even if they are put into law, the recall organizers would have six months to gather 15% of the total vote in the last election which in this case would work out to about 87,000 signatures with at least 50 signatures from each of the city's 50 wards. whether they can do that or not is a question. but they have already started. the recall, people who want to try to recall the mayor have already started. they have started a petition online where they hope to build strength and show support for this recall effort. peter? >> an intense scene in chicago. we have been witnessing it with certainly more to come.
brianna champion helped organize last night's protest at police headquarters and is joining us now. thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> so we see the outrage, the anger when it comes to mayor emanuel. is seeing him out of office the main goal or is there more that you are really striving for as a priority right now? >> no, so getting mayor rahm emanuel to resign is definitely not the main goal of the movement right now. so in chicago, police receive 40% of our city's budget to remain operational. that is completely unheard of and unacceptable. one of our major demands is that police be defunded and that that money used to fund police be used to fund black futures and be used to fund our communities and things that we need. >> are you encouraged by the justice department's focus on what's happening in your city, and does that effort from the obama administration resonate with the demonstrators on the
ground there? >> yeah, i think it's important that the department of justice investigate the chicago police department. i believe that it will bring national attention to our efforts. but it's not going -- we still have a lot of organizing work to do on the ground. >> so what's next? what should we be looking for as people across this country and in chicago specifically want to know where your movement goes next? >> yeah. young folks will continue to protest. we will continue to demand that rahm emanuel resign. we also are really -- it's really important that anita alvarez, who is in charge of making sure these officers get off the streets, it's important she's fired as well. it's important the city thinks more about where it uses its money, especially for young black folks in chicago. so you can expect to see more protests. you can expect to see us show up to the polls. yes. there are a few things you can expect from young folks in chicago. >> we very much appreciate your time. again, the co-chair of the chicago chapter of the black youth project 100.
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social media has become one of the most powerful tools in the arsenal of isis. that arsenal just got even stronger. the terror group has just released a new smartphone app. it used to share video and track isis victories on the battlefield. joining me now to discuss this is msnbc terror analyst, lathe thanks for being here. my 2-year-old daughter knows how to use my smartphone better than i do right now. in the simplest of english for people watching us, they will be stunned to hear that isis has created an app. it's one thing anybody can get on to social media but isn't there some way we should be able to stop the creation of an app from being allowed on
smartphones? >> i don't know. there are two points here. one, this app was created by a media agency, not exactly an official media agency of isis, but a supportive unit. it started several months ago or rather actually a year ago when it was just very, very small group and it developed over time to create its own blog, its own social media accounts and now its own app. this app is designed to be for the jihadist on the go. whether it's jihadist on the grounds in syria checking what's going on or somebody here in the west who have their smartphone and can just get these notifications directly without having to access the website online. i think also the bigger part of this is that this is creating a precedent now for other jihadi groups, other terror groups around the world, to walk in this footstep and actually create their own apps but i don't think it's something we can prevent from happening, especially when the app is not actually available directly on google play store or other
places like that. >> okay. that's important. so online recruiting, obviously we talk about this routinely and consistently right now. how big of a problem is this right now and does this growth in terms of isis' technical capabilities demonstrate that it's only getting broader and stronger? >> there is absolutely no doubt that online recruitment has inflated exponentially. just looking at what kind of platforms isis and its supporters have been using, everything from deep and dark web to surface web to social media accounts, including encrypted social media platforms where messages are very difficult to track. isis actually has official channels on platforms like telegram where its media and propaganda gets released directly and you can of course access that on your smartphone without having to go to a computer. again, just looking at the available tools online from encryption tools to tools that give you kind of secure browsing and so on, so forth, it is
getting much harder to track. so they are using platforms both vertically and horizontally, kind of expanding what they used to use a couple years ago. >> let me ask you, obviously we debate all over cable television these days and all over conversations at home the impact of donald trump right now. you as much as anybody in this country focuses on the chatter you hear from isis and other terrorist groups, terrorist cells. what have you witnessed as politicians say donald trump is the best thing ever to happen to isis, he's their best recruiting tool, what are you witnessing in reaction to donald trump's most recent comments about this muslim ban? >> perhaps not the best tool in isis recruitment. however, by him giving comments about marginalization of muslims, i said this before, this is maximumization of isis recruitment goals. this is exactly what they -- >> are they talking about that
online? does donald trump's name show up in chatter? >> his name has shown up in chatter and muslims at large around the world who joined voices essentially with a lot of extremists to say not only we condemn this is this what is we have warned about before. just because you boast about having the freest country in the world, the country that's about freedom, that doesn't mean you won't have a politician rise to the white house potentially and actually start excluding muslims from the political and social processes. so this is actually vital for isis ideology to say we have warned you about this and it's actually actualizing. >> the broad challenge is how do we combat all of this with the help of the government and technology companies, both ultimately needing to work in unison. lath appreciate your time. that's going to do it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online and on facebook and twitter.
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today on "msnbc live" teflon donald trump showing no sign of slowing down. tough talking his way through a whirlwind media blitz while the latest polls put him even further ahead of his republican rivals. all this as fresh reaction rolls in from trump's controversial comments about muslims, this time from the iconic muslim american sports heroes you see on the screen right there. we will talk about that. plus this other story, bowe bergdahl, former taliban prisoner of war charged with desertion, he's breaking his silence in this explosive second season opener of the popular podcast serial. good to have you with me. i'm thomas roberts. we are reporting live today in washington, d.c. we begin with 2016 politics. donald trump announcing he's canceled his planned trip to israel after the israeli prime minister rebuked trump's comments about banning muslims
here in the u.s. here's how trump explained the canceled visit this morning. >> i didn't want to put him under pressure. you know, he said we have a meeting and he looks forward to the meeting and all of that, but i didn't want to put him under pressure, number one. i also did it because i'm in the midst of a very powerful campaign that's going very well, and it was not that easy to do, so i would say lots of different reasons. >> so trump's previous comments about muslims do not seem to have harmed him in the polls. the "new york times" and cbs have trump at 35% in a new poll. look at that. ben carson just behind in second at 15%. but this is 19 points higher than ted cruz, who as you see there is coming in with 14%. msnbc anchor and political correspondent steve kornacki joins me now. we have this bounty much new polls out today. explain what common threads are emerging. >> well, in a way it's a continuation of what we have been seeing all year. donald trump leads, donald trump's the front-runner but the in