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here's how trump explained the canceled visit this morning. >> i didn't want to put him under pressure. you know, he said we have a meeting and he looks forward to the meeting and all of that, but i didn't want to put him under pressure, number one. i also did it because i'm in the midst of a very powerful campaign that's going very well, and it was not that easy to do, so i would say lots of different reasons. >> so trump's previous comments about muslims do not seem to have harmed him in the polls. the "new york times" and cbs have trump at 35% in a new poll. look at that. ben carson just behind in second at 15%. but this is 19 points higher than ted cruz, who as you see there is coming in with 14%. msnbc anchor and political correspondent steve kornacki joins me now. we have this bounty much new polls out today. explain what common threads are emerging. >> well, in a way it's a continuation of what we have been seeing all year. donald trump leads, donald trump's the front-runner but the interesting thing in particular
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right now, there's going to be more polling coming out over the next week that's really going to test this. we have a very unique situation here i think in politics where you have excoriation coming from leaders of his on party. think about his proposal to ban muslims from coming to the united states. you haven't heard anybody say anything nice about it from across the political spectrum and yet, take a look at some of these new numbers. this is from south carolina. this is just out this morning. overall, south carolina of course one of those key early primary states and there's trump like you have in the national poll, he's 20 points ahead. here's the interesting thing. an early readout on the effect potentially of that muslim ban that he's proposing, if i can get this thing to work, here you go. look at this. fox in this poll for two days before donald trump made that proposal, he was getting 30% in south carolina. in their poll. for two days after he made that proposal, he jumped to 38%. so there is a sign there in that
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south carolina poll that this really resonated with the republican base. what donald trump is selling, despite all the criticism he's taken from his fellow republicans. i should say we may get a better readout on this just a few hours from now. our own nbc poll will be coming out measuring the effect of that muslim proposal that donald trump put forward on his standing. >> steve kornacki reporting for us in new york, thanks so much. a i'm not jealous of you working with the temperamental screen. two of the greatest athletes in u.s. sports history are hitting back at donald trump today. kareem abdul-jabbar and mohammad ali. kareem abdul-jabbar writes if violence can be an abstraction and it can, that's what a threat is. the trump campaign meets this definition, thus trump is isis' greatest triumph. mohammad ali does not refer to trump by name. however, he does say this in a statement first provided to nbc
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news. quote, i believe that our political leaders should use their position to bring understanding about the religion of islam and clarify that these misguided murders have perverted people's views on what islam really is. donald trump tweeted on monday obama said in his speech that muslims are our sports heroes. what sports is he talking about? who? is obama profiling? i'm joined by michael steele, former chairman of the rnc. nice to see you especially in person. let's dive right into this. we have donald trump's lead not just growing, it's stronger. you see the crowds coming out. they are applauding louder. the rhetoric is getting sharper. so from an establishment point of view, how much longer can he maintain a campaign like this? >> oh, i don't see how it stops. the energy is with him right now. the fact that that south carolina poll shows an eight-point jump post those comments tells me that what's
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happening within the rank and file of the party is his resonance is growing, it's expanding, strengthening. the establishment does not have an anecdote to it. the candidates that are on stage with him or will be on the stage with him on tuesday don't have an anecdote to him. who stops him and when do they do it? that's the reality between now and over the next 50 days heading into february. who stops him and when do they do it? because they haven't been able to do it yet. the more donald trump is talking, however explosive the rhetoric, people are -- it's connecting with folks because right now, there's a frustration that's not just borne out in the republican primary process, by the way, that this is across the country as we showed a couple days ago. steve kornacki showed us to the question is islam compatible with american values. 56% of all americans said no. so he has tapped into a vein here, folks, that is as ugly as it is, everyone need to pay attention. >> so there are some other ugly
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things to discuss today. some of which have to do with this political article. they talked to leaders from white supremacist groups so they are out, they say that trump's talk, the rhetoric, is only emboldening people who are interested in established members. david duke saying trump made it okay to talk about these incredible concerns about european americans today and the head of storm front, one of the largest white supremacist groups, says trump has sparked an insurgency and i don't think it's going away. so it was in late august that trump brushed off a david duke endorsement saying he did not need it. however, this is the type of person that is attracted to his white house, his bid for it. but can he get there without real establishment endorsement? >> at theened end of the day, have to come into the reality that the electorate, as much as they may fancy some of what you're saying, when it starts to vote, that's going to be the real test in february. do those primary voters, do the other 60% something of the gop
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give him credence in some form, that 20% to 25% is not only sustained but augmented. even more broadly speaking in a general election context, how does he begin to make that pivot and appeal to like-minded democrats who would ordinarily maybe support a center-right candidate from the gop on some national security issues or some domestic economic issues. he's not made that pivot yet. he's still very much in that space that's in the vein of mexicans are this and muslims are that. the american people right now are responding positively relatively speaking, as you can see from the polls, but i don't know if that's going to be i know staablinable. >> there is still the splinter option. listen to how trump talks about an independent run. >> if they don't treat me as the front-runner by far the front-runner, if the playing field is not level, then certainly all options are open.
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but that's nothing i want to do. i don't want to do that. number one, when you are leading by 20 and 21 points you don't do that. >> i don't want to do it but i will. >> yeah. it's a stick he holds over the head of the party. when the chairman went up to new york to get him to sign that agreement, i started laughing, i said this is just words on paper because everything with donald trump is renegotiable. just because i signed it doesn't mean i will stick with that deal. i will renegotiate a better deal for me. that's what this is all about. that's what his words are saying right now. that okay, so you guys in the establishment, you are going to try to rough shod me going into the convention process, try to play that card, fine. i will take my 68% of the hardcore vote that i have and go out and play elsewhere and whether it upsets you or not, i don't care. >> meanwhile he always said if you treat me unfairly, i'll run. he can cry wolf unfairness at any point. this takes us to the pulse question which involves donald trump.
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the question focusing on that political article we just mentioned, citing white supremacist leaders who say trump's talk is giving their groups a boost. do you believe trump's language is helping embolden white supremacists? the pulse is live. pulse.msnbc.com. results for you coming up later over these two hours. we turn now to this development out of chicago. the fabric of the city's leadership is in jeopardy today. right now, activists are calling for the department of justice to expand its investigation into cook county state's attorney anita alvarez. more demonstrations today calling for mayor rahm emanuel to step down after a police indictment in the shooting death of 17-year-old laquan mcdonald. other big developments we are watching today, two separate demonstrations demanding mayor emanuel's resignation, most notably at a so-called die-in. coming up at 4:30, people who
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say they have been victims of police brutality rally for the prosecution of police officers. we have a series of reports live on the ground and at msnbc world headquarters in new york. i want to begin with john yang. he joins us from the city hall in chicago. john, explain the reaction of the mayor's office, what effect, if any, these protesters are having on his ability to lead. >> reporter: well, clearly this is the biggest crisis he's faced since he became mayor about five years ago. and his response has been evolving. it was a little stumbling at the beginning. the speech yesterday was an effort to try to own this, to try to say unequivocally that he was sorry, words that some people might not have expected to hear from rahm emanuel. but the coming days and weeks will really answer the question of whether he can survive this, of whether he can as you say continue to run this city. thomas? >> nbc's john yang reporting in chicago. thanks so much. msnbc's adam reese also
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following the protests in chicago. adam, explain the demands, what people want in these protesting crowds, and if there is a reaction from this apology given by mayor emanuel that some people may smell weakness about the future of his leadership. >> reporter: yeah. the apology doesn't seem to be enough. they are protesting, they want him to resign. that doesn't steeem likely righ now. yesterday they took to the streets protesting. they walked for miles, they walked for hours. generally very peaceful. there were a couple scuffles with police and there were no arrests. so very peaceful. that came hours after he spoke at city hall, very apologetic, very emotional. he actually said he's sorry, he's sorry for the shooting of laquan mcdonald. he says there needs to be more accountability at the police department from top to bottom. take a listen. >> we have to listen to the parents whose children were killed and see their
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extraordinary grace, their strength and their courage that is required of them to endure the infinite pain of burying a child. >> reporter: it seems there's nothing he can do that will staunch the calls for his resignation. while he was saying he's sorry at city hall, just two blocks away right behind me at federal court, his own attorneys, city attorneys were once again fighting for the release of a video, another shooting of a young black man, not to be released to the public. thomas? >> msnbc's adam reese in chicago, thanks so much. ari melber is msnbc's chief legal correspondent. he is back at world headquarters in new york. we know a democratic state lawmaker has introduced a bill to oust the mayor. does that have any chance of succeeding? >> she says it does. i just spoke with the state representative mary flowers here
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today from our newsroom. she said quote, every day you wake up there's another story of a videotape, a child being murdered. she said, i will read you one more quote from mary flowers, who is pushing this recall rahm bill. she said i expect the bill to get a vote. i expect the bill to be heard, voted upon and signed into law. so a real bullish tone from legislators in the state legislature pushing to give chicago citizens the right that the state voters have. they can remove the governor under current law but not the mayor. they want to change that. they say they are demanding a vote. >> confident language we are hearing from at least those two. ari melber, thanks so much. want to bring into the conversation congressman luiz gutierrez, representing the fourth district of illinois which includes parts of chicago. sir, thanks for your time. >> pleasure to be with you. thanks for having me. >> we look back over your twitter feed. last week on tuesday, you -- >> i can't hear you. >> are we having issues with you
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being able to hear? sir, can you hear me now? >> i can't answer -- >> we will work on getting that audio fixed up. as soon as we get that fixed we will have congressman gutierrez back. coming up next, new details about the man investigators say backed out of an alleged plot with san bernardino attackers syed farook back in 2012. plus inside the mind of bowe bergdahl. he's the former taliban prisoner speaking out for the first time about walking away from his u.s. army base post and then his time in captivity. >> there's times when i would wake up and it's just so dark, like i would wake up not even remembering like what i was. you know how you get that feeling and that word ois on th tip of your tongue? that happened to me only it was like what am i? so what about that stock? sure thing, right? actually, knowing the kind of risk that you're comfortable with,
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we are watching fresh developments at this hour out of geneva, where security officials are on alert. they say they received information that several suspects linked to last month's attacks in paris may be in or around the swiss city. a conference is scheduled to begin tomorrow in geneva looking at syria's future. that conference will involve the u.s., russia and the u.n. back here at home, we have major developments to discuss in the investigation of the san bernardino massacre. now house lawmakers are receiving a briefing on that attack as we speak. moments ago fbi director james comey and other lawmakers arrived for that briefing. senate members will be then getting theirs coming up at 3:00 p.m. eastern. all of this coming as we are learning more about the attackers and potential plots. investigators say syed rizwan
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farook discussed staging an attack with his friend and neighbor enrique marquez as early as 2012 but got cold feet. blake mccoy has been covering the story from san bernardino. how are investigators getting this information? >> reporter: well, we know the fbi has been able to interview marquez at several points and we are told he has been cooperative in those interviews. marquez checked himself into a mental health facility right after the shooting and was released sometime sunday. so these interviews have taken police since sunday. remember, this is the same childhood friend who purchased those two assault style rifles used in the attack and he's a former neighbor of farook's. we are told they were very close. a word of caution here, because we are saying that they discussed an attack as early as 2012. that does not mean they actually got to the plotting stages of an attack. it was merely a discussion from what we understand. >> has there been any reveal from the fbi or investigators about moving forward with
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potential charges or is the cooperation of this former neighbor pivotal to constructing this case that will maybe keep him out of any future legal trouble? >> reporter: one would think that's why he's talking, but the fbi has not given us any of that information. all they have said is he is cooperative and is not a suspect. it's important to note here that between him and of course, the mother who has been interviewed, there are no other suspects who have been named in the case even though there is certainly suspicion surrounding several people. >> we know that some funerals for people that were lost in that massacre are beginning today. real quickly, update us, how often are the fbi giving updates? >> reporter: you were out here last week and we had almost regular updates from local authorities. now that the fbi has taken over the investigation, it is day by day. they tell us today they do not think they will give an update today. there is really no timeline for new information.
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>> nbc's blake mcccoy, keep us posted. coming up, panicked moments in boston when a driverless train leaves the station and the train had 50 people on board. so what are the people from the rail station saying what happened? we are live with the details of that when we come back. first, senior defense and intelligence officials say there is no evidence that north korea has developed a hydrogen bomb. north korea's kim jong-un made that claim as he toured a site dedicated to his father and grandfather. a hydrogen bomb is more powerful and technologically advanced than an atomic bomb. a senior u.s. official called the her mitt kingdom's claim aspiration aspirational. we'll be right back. ♪
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just a short time ago. >> -- determined that some of the controls had been manipulated and there is an ongoing investigation right now that involves folks from the mbta, from d.o.t. and from public safety. from what we can tell at this point, it appears to be an isolated incident. >> isolated incident. msnbc's ron mott is in boston and joins me now. ron, the rail workers, talk about how they first were able to recognize that there was no one in operation and being able to stop the train. >> reporter: well, good afternoon, thomas. what they realized when they had a problem on their hands is when this train left the braintree station a little after 6:00 this morning, then proceeded to miss a couple of stations after that heading north into downtown here. that's when they rools erealize had a problem. they had to pull the juice from the electrified third rail propelling the train to get it to stop. as you can imagine, people inside that train were a little panicked, especially those who
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were probably trying to get off at the stops the train missed. the investigation as you mentioned, governor baker mentioned, it is continuing right now. there are some conflicting reports about what happened here. apparently obviously the conductor, the engineer, rather, got off the train at the braintree stop and there is some question about whether he did not set the brake or some safety device well enough and the train creeped off without him. it didn't reach a whole lot of speed but still, this train was a runaway train that had to be stopped. here's what one of the passengers aboard that train had to say this morning. >> all the lights went off so everything was dark. we had no lights in the entire cars in all the train. and there were people from the car that i was in trying to open the doors, people trying to call the emergency line that we had but nothing happened. nobody answered and nothing. it was all dark. >> reporter: they were eventually able to board that train and get the train brought up here to the jfkumass station,
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let the passengers off. that train has been taken out of service while this investigation continues. there were also conflicting reports about whether the fbi had been called in to assist in the investigation. governor baker said as far as he knew, they had not been asked to bring their expertise to this investigation. very curious commute this morning. >> really is. ron mott, thanks. before i let you go, i have to say it's december 10 in boston, you are ne're not wearing a jac. >> reporter: it's beautiful. beautiful today. >> we will talk weather another time. keep us posted on the investigation up there. thank you. coming up next, bowe bergdahl telling his side of the desertion story in season two of the wildly popular podcast serial. what does the pentagon have to say about it? and a die-in demonstration in chicago. calling for the resignation of mayor rahm emanuel. we will talk to a city alderman coming up.
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for the very first time, the public is hearing bowe bergdahl explain in his own words why he walked off his army outpost in afghanistan in the summer of 2009. bergdahl, who was eventually captured by the taliban, recounts his decision and his experience in season two of the popular podcast serial. >> 20 minutes out i'm going good grief, i'm in over my head. suddenly it really starts to sink in that i really did something bad. well, not bad, but i really did something serious. >> the first episode was able to been downloaded today. bergdahl's lawyer spoke to peter alexander a short time ago. >> we have struggled from the very beginning to get sergeant
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bergdahl's version of events out so the public could proceed on the basis of some information instead of rumor and innuendo. the more everyone knows about the facts and circumstances, the better handle they will have in order to draw opinions and draw conclusions. >> this comes on the same day the house armed services committee released a report questioning the legality of the administration's transfer of five taliban prisoners from gitmo in exchange for sergeant bergdahl. nbc's jim miklaszewski joins me from the pentagon. get us up to speed on the military investigation and bergdahl's account of the events, how they match up. >> well, the military is conducting its investigation and in fact, still preferred charges against bergdahl based on his story. now, he originally said that he left his outpost in afghanistan, a small outpost, because he feared for the lives of his fellow soldiers because of the conditions there and what he called poor leadership, and that he was going to walk 18 miles to
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another larger command to report the shortfalls there. but about 20 minutes in, he realized oh, my god, i'm in trouble here, so he concocted this plan to hunt down some taliban planting ieds at night, he was going to follow them to their base and then return to his original base to report on the taliban thinking that if he provided that information, he might be cut loose or given some slack in terms of punishment. nevertheless, he has been charged with not only desertion but with misbehaving in front of the enemy which carries a potential life sentence. the frustration on the part of bergdahl's attorney is that those charges have been hanging over bergdahl for some time now, but the convening authority, the general in charge, to make the decision on whether to actually put him up to court martial on those charges, reduced the charges or dismissed them all together, hasn't made a final decision and if in fact he does
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go to court martial, he does in fact face a potential life sentence on at least one of those charges if convicted. >> jim miklaszewski, thank you. i appreciate it. want to go back to new york. my colleague frances rivera is at the video station with msnbc's senior editor for video and digital content, cal perry. you guys have been digging into what more we have learned. >> really fascinating when you hear bergdahl's voice for the first time. so many things that strike you in listening to this. first, the time frame of where he realizes you know what, this may not have been the best thing to do but secondly, likening himself to the main character of the bourne identity series. >> very weird. he's hit with this reality, just as he comes off the base, i can't go back. there are people manning machine gun positions, they will think i'm taliban. so he comes up with this new plan. he talks about being a movie super hero. take a listen. >> i was trying to prove to myself, i was trying to prove to
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the world that anybody who used to know me, that i was capable of being that person. >> like a super soldier, you mean? >> yeah. capable of being what i appeared to be. like doing what i did was me saying i am like, i don't know, jason bourne. >> seemed like he knew he was in trouble and he wanted to be able to go back to that base or he says go to a base 12 miles away to give up information on what he thought was a bad command but he wanted to bring something with him like i have been killing taliban. >> interesting his choice of words because there's a portion where he says certain amount of time i was walking, then i realized i did something bad. no, i did something serious. he changed it. he changed his words. >> right. he was figuring it out like that night as he's walking down this road, it's starting to dawn on him what he's done, put down his gear, left his combat outpost and the outposts are designed to
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keep people out. all of a sudden he's on the outside of the wire figuring i can't get back in. >> two fronts here as far as social media and reaction out there. people saying you know what, he deserves to come back home. the other saying he's the one who deserted his post, he needs to go through the process. >> absolutely. people are super excited about the serial podcast, very loyal listeners and divided into two camps. one camp thinks we should put him away, throw away the key, he deserted the army. the other is everyone gets to come home and seek justice here. >> thank you. interesting to see that side of it and just hearing from bowe bergdahl. as we saw in the first season of the serial podcast, downloaded over 100 million times. we will see if season number two if it will be just as popular. >> they picked an obscure case for the first round. it was a huge success. we will see how they do with a much more popularized name in bowe bergdahl but never hearing his voice, it is fascinating to hear him in his own words. we return to the other developing story we have been following for you.
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chicago's mayor under fire. two state law makers proposing a bill to recall rahm emanuel. in a new statement to us, the mayor's office says quote, we understand the desire by some to insert politics into this discussion but the mayor's focus is not on his own personal politics. his focus is on the residents of this city and finally and fully addressing the issue of police accountability which is challenged chicago for decades. that coming from adam collins in mayor emanuel's office. earlier, young doctors demanded the resignation of the mayor. >> we are here today to stand in solidarity with the victims of institutionalized racism in this city and demand the resignation of a mayor who let it continue for far too long. >> i am here to support the numerous black men including laquan mcdonald who have lost their lives unjustly at the hands of the entity who was created to protect us.
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>> alderman joe moore represents the 49th ward of chicago and joins me now. thank you for your time. >> thank you for having me on. >> absolutely. we have got this poll from the insider, a newsletter published by the illinois observer. 51% say mayor emanuel should resign. only 18% approve of how he's doing his job. we have 67% disapproved. according to a one-day poll conducted on saturday, we have been able to look at this information and see the city respond this week. are you looking at these numbers and thinking that mayor emanuel needs to go, or do you support him and thinking he can survive this leadership crisis? >> actually, i'm not focused on poll numbers. i think we all need to be focused on implementing much needed reforms in the chicago police department and now that we have the welcome assistance of the chicago -- or the justice department, i think we have a really unique opportunity to
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really get at those systemic reforms, make sure they are implemented and do what should have been done a long time ago. that is make sure that the police department, that all police officers act in a professional manner and those few that don't, that they are disciplined and removed from the force. >> what happens, though, if the leader demonstrates some issues of decision making, of actual leadership, and the confidence of those people that you are trying to oversee has dwindled to minority support? at that point, do you think that at some juncture, people within power of chicago will look at this and think this administration is faulted and can't survive? >> look, poll numbers go up and down. you see that happen to presidents of the united states. we can't be driven by the most recent poll. instead we should be driven on doing what is right.
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the mayor undertook some very good first steps yesterday by a very emotional and genuine speech, talking about recognizing the important need to reform the chicago police department. the fact that there is a disparate treatment particularly in minority communities of particularly young minority men, these things need to be addressed and they need to be addressed now. now that thanks to the release of the video, everyone is focused, laser focused on this, the media, those of us in the city council, community leaders, i think now is the time to really tackle those reforms and make them happen. and if we fail in doing that, not only the mayor but the rest of us will be held accountable at the next election as it should be. >> what do you think, speaking of reforms, there are two electeds that have put together a bill that would get rid of rahm emanuel. their choice of reform is to see the mayor go. do you think that will succeed?
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>> well, you know, i think they are reflecting what they hear in the community but i don't think we should inject politics into this. i think we should be laser focused on implementing these much needed reforms. >> would you say that if this was a republican? if rahm emanuel was a republican? would you say the same thing? >> if rahm emanuel was a republican, he wouldn't be mayor of chicago. let's face it. >> if the mayor was a republican and led the leadership this way, would you say the same thing? >> i'm not a big believer in recalling elected officials. we have what's called elections. that's the opportunity to recall elected official. but to do that in the middle of a term before they are able to demonstrate that they are able to tackle the problem or issue at hand, we can't allow ourselves to be distracted from being laser focused on this very, very important issue. by injecting politics, by trying to remove someone in the middle
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>> msnbc's olivia sterns joins me now. what more do we know? >> this is the second outbreak linked to chipotle. boston college saying at least 141 stienudents are sick after eating at a nearby chipotle restaurant, up from 80 students tuesday. tests suggesting norovirus is to blame here, what is often referred to as food poisoning, which causes stomach pain, fever and vomiting. health officials have cited this chipotle with multiple violations including keeping meat at incorrect temperatures, in particular keeping poultry at incorrect temperatures and allowing a sick employee to come to work. the ceo apologizing and promising that his restaurant chain will soon be the safest place in america to eat after new procedures are put in place. but the move really can't come soon enough. the fast food chain still
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getting over a nationwide e. coli outbreak that sickened at least 50 people in nine states. chipotle has voluntarily closed restaurants and are now warning of a double digit drop in sales in the final months of the year. the stock has taken a beating. in its annual report, chipotle said quote, we may be at a higher risk for food borne illness outbreak than competitors due to our use of fresh produce and meats rather than frozen and our reliance on employees cooking with traditional methods rather than automation. fresh food might help explain e. coli. doesn't really make so much sense as an excuse for the norovirus. either way the comments this morning clearly reassuring investors. the stock up about 5.5% right now. >> interesting to see who's jumping in to buy. thanks so much. i appreciate it. want to bring into the conversation dr. corey abear, ceo of community health tv. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> so i want to start where
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olivia left off. does chipotle's business model of using healthier foods, fresher product, put them at risk for these type of outbreaks? >> well, i want to be very clear here. i don't own stock in chipotle but this type of thing can happen in anyplace at any time with any restaurant. it's not just a chipotle issue. there are so many restaurants out there that have these types of issues, thousands of times a day. the bigger issue is that when you try to have fresh produce, it all depends on where you get the produce from. some five-star restaurants use the same suppliers for their produce as some of the greasy spoons. not to say chipotle is a greasy spoon but they are really trying to do the better thing. what's most important is usually that you have a core of a group of people that all go together and all report this as an illness but really, if you had 55 people sick at a restaurant and each one of them didn't know each other, this would never probably even be reported. i want people to realize we don't want to make people have
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an alarmist attitude about going to very fresh places because that's where you need to be eating. >> so but when we tear this apart and look at what happened to put chipotle in the headlines with the e. coli scare out west, now we have got this issue of the norovirus on the east coast, is there something the restaurant chain could have done to prevent the spread of norovirus? >> yeah. i think that what most -- what must happen in restaurants is that people have to always wash their hands. we know it's national hand washing week and i think that's the bigger part of it, because sure, could someone at chipotle have not washed their hands and gone back to work and then start that viral infection throughout the restaurant, sure. but could it have been someone that was actually at the restaurant that was a customer and sneezed on something that was not covered appropriately and that could have done it. it could have been a cashier. we have to also remember that the menus of a restaurant are the most dangerous parts of the restaurant and the garnishes
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like lemons and things that are not actually refrigeratored or chopped up many days before. so could chipotle have done something more? can't really say sure, they could have or not. but we know all restaurants must step up and they should all -- always pay their workers a little bit more and they might be a little more conscientious across the board. >> good advice. thanks for pointing out it's national hand washing week. i did not know that. thank you, sir. good to see you. sing happy birthday once or twice. something like that. >> at least. abcs. >> thanks, doctor. so back to politics now. marco rubio's campaign across the hawkeye state today as ted cruz is picking up a big evangelical endorsement. will either be able to overtake donald trump as the republican front-runner? we head to the first in the nation caucus after the break. this is brad.
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the rubio/schumer amnesty bill would have dramatically expanded president obama's authority to submit syrian refugees with no background checks whatsoever. now that is a serious threat to our national security. on the other hand, i made the decision to stand with jeff sessions and steve king and lead the fight against amnesty, and we defeated it in congress. we both decided to do different things. i honored the promises that i made to the men and women who elected me and marco did not. >> so there we have senator ted cruz hitting his republican opponent marco rubio in an interview today that played on "morning joe." according to the latest "new york times"/cbs poll cruz is having his moment in second place now nationally after donald trump with marco rubio coming in fourth place. hallie jackson joins us from the campaign trail in iowa where she's following marco rubio. talk to me about this dynamic, the infighting between these two establishment candidates, one
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more than the other. and who is going to win the conservative endorsements? >> you see marco rubio who is playing more to the establishment field. senator ted cruz going for the conservative base positioning himself as anti-establishment. the duel between these two guys has been heating up for weeks. you heard senator cruz today on "morning joe." and we spoke with senator rubio in des moines, iowa. i asked him about the attacks he's been getting from senator cruz and his attack against him. i want you to listen to what he had to say. >> in each instance in which senator cruz and others, not just him, have been given a choice between neoisolationism, he's chosen neo isolationism, whether work or voting against the defense bills or voting for a budget that substantially reduces our defense spending. these are facts. >> there if you have rubio painting cruz as what he calls a neo isolationist, this appears
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to be an escalation in the fight between them. and next week we head to vegas for the next republican debate. you'll see fireworks between the two. rubio got in another little dig implicitly at cruz when he was asked about whether he would say something at a private fund-raiser that he wouldn't say in public. this clearly an allusion to this "new york times" report that's out today saying that senator cruz at a private fund-raiser in new york appeared to question the judgment of donald trump. as you know, up until now cruz has really shied away from going after trump or saying anything negative about trump. cruz said in the course of a presidential election, the voters will make a decision about every candidate and ultimately the right is the one who has the experience to serves a commander in chief. when i asked for clarity about what was misleading about it, a campaign aide tells me cruise
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was speaking generally, it was not a departure about what he said about other candidates in the past. it was not an attack against donald trump as that "new york times" headline seems to suggest. team cruz is instead hoping to pivot to good news coming out of iowa, which is an endorsement from bob vanderplats. this endorsement coveted by all. you have bob vanderplaats and steve deace. it is good momentum for cruz as he hopes to make a play for iowa and overtake the current front-runner nationally, donald trump, here in the state. >> looks like the organization is coming together. >> i want to check in with francis. she's been monitoring your reaction to our poll question. >> this is what we're asking in
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light of politico's rt aical reporting that a white supremacist group has seen a trump bump. one leader even saying that trump is sparking an insurgency. so we're asking do you believe trump's language is helping to embolden white supremacists? we launched this at the top of the hour, and we saw this split evenly. those of our viewers who believe, yes, that is the case, 34%. 66% said, no. we wish we had more time to show you the breakdown between political party. we'll hopefully bring you that later on. our pulse question of the day, do you believe trump's language is helping to embolden white supremacists? donald trump cancels that big trip he had scheduled to israel. we'll tell you why he says he made that decision. then we're also going to head back to the very latest in chicago where the calls for the mayor there, rahm emanuel, to be removed from office are getting more organized and louder. but how are they responding? we'll break it all down.
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it is 2:00 p.m. on the east coast. and new developments in the big stories we're following this hour. two legendary athletes are hitting donald trump over his call to ban muslims from the u.s. plus new polling taking americans' temperature on that controversial plan. you may be surprised. then demonstrators back out in action in chicago calling for that city's mayor to go. i'll speak with an activist helping to organize the demonstrations we're witnessing today. and his side of the story. bo bergdahl sharing his version of events for the first time. in doing so in the season two podcast, serial. we'll begin with donald trump high in the polls but facing fallout over his controversial plan to ban muslims entering the united states. "the new york times" and cbs put trump at 35%. that's 19 points ahead of his closest competitor. it's the highest he's been in
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that poll and just shy of the highest mark in any poll. today he had to cancel, however, a visit that was scheduled for later this month to israel. telling fox news this morning there were, quote, lots of different reasons. on wednesday, prime minister benjamin netanyahu rebuked trump's plan to ban muslims. trump replies it has nothing to do with religion. >> this is about security. this is not about religion. this is about security. it's not about religion. this is about safety. this has nothing to do with religion. it's about safety. >> mark murray is political editor. nice to see you especially in person. we'll be talking with steve kornacki in a minute. but two quotes in politico about the trump campaign both from big names among white supremacist groups, david duke who came out sighing that trump's muslim comments, he's made it okay to talk about these incredible concerns of european americans
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today. stormfront's don black, he's sparked an insurgency and i don't think it's going to go away. so this is not something republicans want on the front pages or in the media news cycle. how are they going to be able to get this under control? >> well, you know, no one knows really how the trump story is going to play out. we're 53 days before the iowa caucuses. it's anyone's ball game for the republican nomination. when you're talking about white supremacists, this is my fourth election cycle to cover for nbc news. never has white supremacist and the presidential campaign been in the same sentence. this has all changed with donald trump. it goes to the point that racial controversy has followed him not only in this campaign but going back to when he became a big lightning rod in 2011 on the birther controversy surrounding president obama and him claiming that president obama wasn't born in the united states. you take all of these controversies together and they usually have a racial component to them. >> when we look at someone like
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david duke, back in august he was attracted to trump's message when it came to immigration. trump at the time said i don't need his endorsement, i don't need anybody's endorsement. it wasn't something that he welcomed. we have kareem abdul-jabbar and muhammad ali writing about this, quote, if violence can be an abstraction, and it can, that's what a threat is. the trump campaign means this definition, thus trump is isis' greatest triumph. then muhammad ali doesn't refer to trump by name, however said in a statement first provided to nbc news, i believe that our political leaders should use their position to bring understanding about the religion of islam and clarify that these misguided murderers have perv t perverted people's views on what islam really is. do top republicans, establishment leaders need to come out more strongly and condone this kind of language if they really expect themselves to have a clean shot at the white house? >> yeah, thomas, we've heard some tough language for some
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republicans, house speaker paul ryan denounced what trump had said. we heard jeb bush call trump unhin jd. republicans still say we really support these in tough terms. we'll probably still vote for a republican nominee. and none of these republican leaders have said if trump's the nominee i'm voting democrat or i'm not voting at all. you are still having a little bit of both ways in that situation. >> a double-edged sword for people trying to figure out this campaign that says some of the nastiest things but channels popularity at this same time from americans. just want to point out that our colleague lawrence o'donnell, had kareem abdul-jabbar on his show tonight, "the last word." i want to bring steve kornacki into our conversation. msnbc host and political correspondent. you've been looking at "the new york times" poll, because this is a biggie but not only the only one that is out today that kind of solidifies the narrative that keeps talking about donald
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trump. >> there is, but there's a second story here and a bit of news about the man who right now is emerging as the biggest threat of the moment to donald trump on the republican side and that is ted cruz, the one candidate who is not attacking donald trump. ted cruz receiving, well, we'll show you this in a minute. but the news is that ted cruz just a few minutes ago received a critical endorsement out in iowa from a man named bob vanderplaats and bob vanderplaats is a leader of the evangelical christian community out in iowa. he's twice backed the winner out there. he backed mike huckabee in 2008. he endorsed rick santorum in 2012. just a moment ago he threw his support behind ted cruz. and cruz has been creeping up on trip out there in iowa and caught him in one recent poll. you can see the froern that is in iowa, ted cruz leading donald trump among evangelicals right now. threat to trump from this endorsement today from an influential evangelical leader
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that ted cruz could grow that support among evangelicals in iowa, if he could win iowa and beat donald trump then, you think of a state like south carolina which comes very quickly after, south carolina is another state where evangelicals really hold sway. right now donald trump is leading among evangelicals in south carolina. the threat, though, is if cruz can beat him in iowa, if cruz can consolidate the evangelicals in iowa, does that have a ripple effect in other states if he beats trump in iowa. that's a big piece of news, bob vanderplaats, a top evangelical leader in iowa, casting his lot with ted cruz, trump's rival and a bit of shameless self-promotion. 4:30 this afternoon we'll be talking live on the air with bob vanderplaats about that endorsement. >> it follows the highly popular radio talk show host steve king as well and msnbc's steve kornacki. i feel like i'm in a trio of steves here.
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thank you very much. i want to move on to the developing news out of chicago, the fabric of the city's leadership in jeopardy, the mayor rahm emanuel's office just responding to a proposed bill to recall him. we understand there's a desire by some to insert politics in this discussion. but the mayor's focus is not on his own personal politics. it's on the residents of this city and finally and fully addressing the issue of police accountability which has challenged chicago for decades. more demonstrations in that city today they've called for the embattled mayor's resignation. this all after a police indictment in the police-involved shooting death of 17-year-old laquan mcdonald. we're also awaiting a 4:30 p.m. eastern press conference from some who say they've been victims of police brutality there. we have all angles covered on the ground in chicago. we want to begin with adam riess. and explain what you're seeing in demonstrations and has taken
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a bolder form today. >> i can tell you, rahm emanuel -- in the public eye today. maybe calmed some tensions. but protesters are still calling for his resignation, although that doesn't seem likely at least not right now. protesters took to the streets yesterday for another day of protests, walking a number of miles through downtown for a number of hours. it was generally very peaceful. there were a couple scuffles with police, but there were no arrests. and now that came a number of hours after the mayor spoke. a very emotional raw speech. he got very emotional. almost in tears saying he was sorry. he says he takes responsibility for the death of laquan mcdonald. he says there needs to be more accountability of the chicago police department from top to bottom. here's what he had to say. >> i take responsibility for what happened because it happened on my watch. if we're going to fix it, i want
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you to understand it's my responsibility with you. but if we're also going to begin the healing process, the first step in that journey is my step, and i'm sorry. >> now, it seems there's nothing he can say or do even though he just said he's sorry to calm the calls for his resignation. in fact, while he was saying he's sorry, just two blocks away, right behind me in federal court, his own attorney, city lawyers, were moving to keep a new video, yet another dash cam video of another shooting by a police officer of a 17-year-old black man, they want to keep that out of the public eye. at the same time two state representatives are moving for a recall election. and on top of all of that, unrelated, the teachers union here in chicago is in the middle of a vote for a possible strike. thomas? >> msnbc's adam riess reporting there in chicago. thanks so much. i want to bring in chairman of the labor committee for the chicago alliance against racism
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and political repression. mike, thanks for being with me today. first off, your gut reaction to the calls about the mayor to resign. do you think that should happen? >> yes, i think that should happen. and also the resignation of anita alvarez, the state's district attorney here in the cook county area who fails to charge any officers with police crime. that should happen immediately. the mayor has proven throughout the years that he has no concern for the public safety of the black community. we don't accept his apology. we view his emotional outburst as a joke. that should have happened many years ago as black bodies were being murdered throughout this city by police officers. he never said that he was
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responsible before, but now that all this pressure is coming as a result of the laquan mcdonald video now suddenly he claims responsibility for all these things. it's a joke to us. he has to go. >> why did he get re-elected then if he hasn't given the city the leadership it deservice oes the years? why did he get re-elected to office? >> he got re-elected to office because people didn't know the extent of his culpability and his involvement in these police crimes and all of the cover-up that he's been involved in. now it's become very clear that this man has no interest in the democratic process happening in this city. he appoints every single person that's on the police board, that's on the investigative
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body, which the people call the impunity for police repression agency, and he also appoints the people to the internal affairs department division of the police department. so -- and on top of that, with the schools, he appoints every single person to the school board and they're all businesspeople. there's not one educator on the school board, so this guy's a dictator. and he has to go. we want to build a more democratic society. we want to have hope that we can live in a democratic society, and he is definitely blocking all of that from happening. >> how do you respond to people who say in chicago they're having buyer's remorse for someone they believed in to represent this office and now they can't seem to find their way through the confidence in
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leadership from the person they elected to run the city? >> well, those were unconscious people that elected this mayor. and no now the people that are conscious are talking about the person they elected. >> sir, we'll continue to watch this story and we thank you for your time and your insight. mike siviwe elliott joining us from chicago. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> so we've got new revelations from investigators today about the prior plots that may have been discussed by one of the san bernardino shooters. plus more on the man authorities say purchased the rifles used in the attack. purchased legally. also ahead, bo bergdahl sharing his story for the first time, giving his version of events in the new season of the bodcast, serial. pill works fast? take the zantac it challenge! zantac works in as little as 30 minutes.
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developing right now on capitol hill in just under an hour from now, the senate will get briefed on the san bernardino shooting. house lawmakers received their briefing an hour ago. it was moments ago that we had maryland congressman elijah cummings speaking about the need for americans to remain vigilant. take a look. >> i think all americans have toy about vigilant now. and i think that we are facing a new normal. and we have to accept that. >> so meanwhile, we have new information about the attackers that's now coming to light. investigators say syed rizwan farouk discussed staging an attack with his childhood friend and neighbor enrique marquez in 2012 but got cold feet instead. one lawmaker was critical about why we didn't know tashfeen
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malik was radicalized but senator mark warner ahead of his briefing. but pete williams has been uncovering new information about the attackers. what have you been able to hear and learn from investigators? >> well, they say that enrique marquez is being very cooperative with them. that he continues to talk. he feels great remorse. they say he basically went on a binge drinking spree after the shooting. you may recall he checked himself into a mental health center. now they say he's talking because he feels such guilt about this whole thing and he wants to be as forthcoming as he can. what they're looking at is the possibility that at the time of these discussion of a possible attack in 2012 in l.a., that farook got cold feet. we knew that's because marquez said there was some arrests in the area at the time, the terrorism arrests. now they're looking at whether farook may have known or been in the same social circle as one of those four people that was arrested in southern california plait plothing to go overseas and murder u.s. soldiers in
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afghanistan. >> one thing about the neighbor, marquez, he's the person who was involved -- >> well, he bought the weapons. >> in legally purchasing those assault rifles. >> they bought the weapons that ended up being used in the shooting, but there's never been a suggestion that he knew that's what they had planned. >> and you're making calls in the d.c. area involving c.a.r.e. >> this is the committee on american islamic relations. they say they received a letter today, opened it up and it had a suspicious white powder in it. so the building's been emptied out, the agents -- the authorities, d.c. fire, fbi is over there looking at it. they have field tests they can do. we get these phony white powder letters all the time here. that's what i think everyone hopes it is, but we'll see. >> when you say all the time -- >> thousands a year. >> so this is not atypical to see this happen? >> unfortunately not. >> pete williams, great to see you, sir. joining me democratic senator from virginia, mark warner. you're about to head into this
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briefing. what specifically do you want to hear? what questions have you crafted that you hope to get answered? >> well, i want to hear the status of the investigation. but i think we also need to step back and realize this is going to be an ongoing challenge. we have to confront it in a variety of ways. we need a little less demagogic comments from some of these presidential candidates like mr. trump and a little more thoughtful action. one, we do need a review and reform of the visa waiver program. this is the program where folks mainly from europe can access our country with very little screening. the house has passed legislation. i'm original sponsor of legislation led by senator feinstein. we need to work that through. i believe somebody as well that came from the technology field before i got involved in politics, we need to have a serious perhaps commission approach to sitting down with technology community around issues like encryption, like
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some of the ways that facebook, i know, took down some of the postings of some of these perpetrator. how we get this right. we have to also recognize this is no longer something that can we constrained by simply america passing a law. there's 1500 additional mobile apps every day added to the iphone store. many of those apps include end to end inscription that many are being developed in nations outside of the united states. so this is going to require an approach on visa waiver dealing with communications and encryption and then it's going to require an on the ground presence in terms of taking out isil in their bastions in syria and iraq. it will take all three of these. >> you talk about what can happen on the technology policy front, but when it comes to the human policy front, the k-1 visa or the fiance visa, we had the white house press secretary josh earnest answering a question about this program and whether its revamp was inevitable.
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take a listen. >> that certainly seems like the likely outcome given the -- given what's transpired. look, james, somebody entered the united states through the k-1 visa program and proceeded to carry out an act of terrorism on american soil. that program is at a minimum worth a very close look. and that's exactly what the department of state and the department of homeland security are doing. >> so sir, what would you say about the problems that have obviously been exposed with a porous k-1 visa program and for any seeds that might already be planted in the u.s. that would not fall under any policy change? >> well, clearly the fiance visa program is going to take a fresh look. i know we also, in terms of the visa waiver issue, need to look at, for example, the number of europeans with european passports that traveled to turkey last year was 10 million. most went for either holiday or
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visiting family, but we don't know how many of them went to turkey and then went into the battle zone in syria. this is going to require a concerted effort both in terms of the european allies, changes in our legislation, much tighter cooperation in terms of intelligence and law enforcement, collaboration, all of the legislation says that we've got to run by this information by interpol, the international policing organization. and again, i wish i could say there's a single silver bullet that we can do and everything is going to be changed. it is going to take concerted action on the intel side, on the visa waiver side. i think serious conversation as a former technology guy with technology companies about how we can grapple with this. in many ways end-to-end enkrimgs, that horse has left the barn. we won't be able to turn that around. that conversation could have taken place five years ago. but this will be solved by
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reasonable approach, not some of the shrill, frankly, demagogic language that in many ways has been helpful to isis' propaganda efforts. >> senator mark warner of virginia. thank you for your time. >> thank you, thomas. we're following breaking news this hour out of boston. there a runaway train left the station without an operator. did have passengers on board. how did all that happen? ron mott will join us with the latest on that next.
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doors, people trying to call the emergency line that we had, but we -- nothing happened. nobody answered. and nothing. it was all dark. >> so nbc's ron mott joins me from boston. what are investigators saying about a construct of a theory for what happened here? >> well, hey there, thomas. things look to be smooth on the rails at this hour, but a different story this morning for about 50 people on that red line train making their way from the southern areas of boston metro up to the downtown area. they eventually were let off at this station here behind me, the jfk/umass station. they sat out there are by themselves for about a half hour. the investigation will settle on how the controls that move this train forward were set and why the operator ended up out on the platform while this train then crept away from that braintree station, missed a couple of stops before they were able to pull the juice to that electrified third rail and get it stopped. it took workers a while to get
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up there and get those folks off the train. the train has been pulled out of service. and the governor charlie baker says it was clearly in his words, tampered. now that's a charged word. but the brake wasn't set correctly that allowed that train to creep away. there was one injury to a worker that was brushed by this train that creeped forward. it never developed a lot of speed thankfully. but a whole lot of panicked passengers on that train, as you might imagine this morning, thomas. >> i'll bet. ron mott in boston for us. so it's a story that has a lot of people talking today. sergeant bo bergdahl sharing his store for first time, more on the version of events that he's sharing about his time as a taliban prisoner. did he desert his base? that's all in the new podcast "serial." then ahead, isis launching a smartphone app? we'll head to the video desk to
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♪ you make me feel ♪ so spring has sprung. 20 minutes out, i'm going good grief, i'm in over my head. it really starts to sink in that i really did something bad or, not bad, but i really did something serious. >> that is the voice of bo bergdahl, the soldier who was captured by the taliban after he walked off his army outpost in afghanistan in the summer of 2009. bergdahl recounts his decision and his experience in his own words in season two of the popular podcast "serial." kelly o'donnell and msnbc military analyst colonel jack jacobs join me for this story. the new "serial" pod cast released on the same z day as the services committee claiming misled congress on this prisoner swap. what else does the report
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demonstrate? >> it's interesting, thomas, how the podcast sort of on the front end of the hip factor giving the opportunity for bergdahl to tell his side of the story and then from the more sort of expected washington corridors, a report that takes a look at documents and e-mails and had conversations with some of the key players. the house armed services committee did a lot of work on this. and basically it boils down to real concerns about a couple of things. that the obama administration failed to follow the law, which required a 30-day notification for congress whenever a detainee at guantanamo bay, the prison in cuba, would be released or transferred. and that didn't happen in this case. and the five taliban fighters who were swapped for bergdahl were considered very high value. there was a lot of concern about might they rejoin the fight. and there had been rumblings that conversations were happening and the report indicates that, despite the fact there were some published reports and some rumors about
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that, those people who have the responsibility on capitol hill to know about this were misled by the administration, were ignored by the administration, that kind of thing. now, democrats acknowledged that the rule was not followed, but they say there was a reason, that in order to protect the life of bergdahl, to get an american p.o.w. back, regardless of the situation of whether he was a deserter or not, there was high risk. and if it became public, that the swap of taliban for bergdahl, if that got out, it might have scuttled the deal. so that's one issue. and democrats also say, as commander in chief, the president can't be limited by a statute like the 30-day rule if it comes down to trying to save an american service person's life. so that's sort of the issue here. but really strong feelings from republicans that they claim they were knowingly misled and that the law was not followed specifically. in a case just beyond that transaction raised a lot of questions about sort of the impact of releasing foreign
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fighters who have been held for a number of years, could that inspire others to capture americans? could it set a bad precedent? lots of issues here. and the report spells out very troubling signs among republicans. >> a lot of different prisms to look at it through. kelly o'donnell reporting, thank you. jack, what's your reaction, the conclusions of the house armed services committee, what kelly was just speaking about? >> well, i think it's very well reasoned. there's no doubt about the fact that the president disobeyed the law. you can argue strenuously that there shouldn't be a law that says that, that the president should be unfettered in his decision-making, but at the end of the day, everybody has to follow the law, and he's got the congress to answer for that. there was a lot of talk at the time that this was a bad trade in any case. these were five of the most odious characters at guantanamo
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and that there would be no controls over them once they left the country. so far, in theory, they've been under surveillance in qatar, but there's no guarantee they'll continue to be under surveillance there, and since we have no control of them, they can be released at any time and we can't do anything about it. so the conclusion was this was a lousy trade to start with, thomas. >> so let's take a listen to the other part of this and not just the trade deal but bo bergdahl, his attorney explaining why the sergeant chose to be the subject of the serial podcast. take a listen. >> we've struggled from the very beginning to get sergeant bergdahl's version of events out so the public could proceed on the basis of some information instead of rumor and innuendo. the more everyone knows about the facts and circumstances, the better handle they'll have in order to draw opinions and draw conclusions. >> so we know that john mccain,
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who was a p.o.w. in the vietnam war has come out to say that bergdahl, he's a deserter. what's your feeling on that, jack, and also how do you think that this popular podcast series could impact the future of the military judicial process? >> well, i think people who spend any time looking at and operating under the military judicial process are going to take it for what it's worth. it's not worth very much. and anybody who has been in combat, indeed anybody who has been in the military for any length of time, remember, that means more than just a few minutes knows that you're not supposed to walk away from your possess in the middle of a combat zone, that that is, by the letter of the uniform code of military justice, desertion. you can't leave your comrades in the middle of a combat zone. you're not permitted to do that. and it's kind of interesting that his explanation kind of mumbled around it saying i didn't know if i was doing
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something wrong or not. he clearly -- anybody who has been in the army for more than ten seconds knows that that's wrong. it's self-gratifying nonsense. and anybody in the military will tell you that. >> colonel jack jacobs. colonel jack, thank you, sir, nice to see you. >> you bet, thomas. so isis has a new way of spreading its pop gand da using a smartphone app. hard to believe there is an app for that. >> they released this app to help push videos and reports about life under the islamic state also announcing battlefield victories and execution of isis enemies. i want to bring in with me senior editor cal perry. at first glance when you see this app it's really nondescript. you wouldn't think it's isis related. >> i doesn't have any serious markings of it. it looks like any other app that pushes out video faster. it makes sense. if you want your followers to get this propaganda video and not to rely on news agencies, this is way you do it. this was discovered by the ghost security group.
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it's a secure app. you just can't go on apple istore and buy i. you have to be invited by a secure messaging site that's already being used by isis. it's not for the public, for the internal group. it pushes video faster and quicker for that group. >> so it's tight in that sense. when you think about it on the broader sense, that this is to spread isis propaganda, when it comes to intelligence and governments, how they can use it. you know what? they want to shut it down, but at the same time they can use it also in thwarting more attacks. >> this is the most interesting conversation. not only just about this app but also like twitter handles. when you speak to u.s. military officials or centcom, it's great to shut down some of these app ors shut down some of the twitter accounts, it sends a message, but it's a way to track what's going on out there. you can flag it, follow it and find out who people are talking to. >> this is something we don't want out there for people to help isis, to help terrorists in
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spreading their message. >> certainly not because we know intelligence services will be looking at it. don't go searching for it. it's not worth it. >> strange to see what's available on android capability. isis with their own smartphone app. really fascinating to think ta they can have that in existence. we'll still be talking about, coming up, the issue of donald trump and a different perspective on this with the senator al franken. also taking on the issue of isis as well as a passion project. the new education law rewrite signed by the president today. a lot to cover with the senator who joins me on the other side of the break. stick around.
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he appeared on this show to talk about trump's plan to ban muslims from the u.s. talking about his own family's experience in an internment camp during world war ii. a personal story inspired his new musical "allegiance." it is a show that takei is now inviting trump to see. take a look. >> if you want to see how tough it was from the comfort of your seat, you can be there with us in the camps and get a glimpse of what it was like for families like mine who were unjustly imprisoned thanks to a politics of fear much like the one you're campaigning on. >> so we have no reply yet from the trump camp. you may recall that george takei appeared on "celebrity apprentice" and has a pretty decent relationship with mr. trump. we'll see if mr. trump actually goes to see that show. they took up donald trump's comments about a ban today. it passed a nonbinding amendment
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saying it was the sense of the senate that the u.s. must now bar individuals from entering the country based on religion. four republicans voted against it. just a short time ago, senator lindsey graham spoke out strongly against donald trump in new hampshire. here's a look. >> here's my retort. quit threatening us. i'd rather lose without him than try to win with him, if he keeps doing what he's doing. there's no shame in losing an election. the shame comes when you lose your honor. >> so we are joined now by senator al franken, democrat of minnesota. senator, we're going to talk about the tefr student succeeds act which is an update for no child left behind coming up here in a second. i know that's been a passion project for you. >> yes. >> but first for you and your constituents, there's a high population of muslim americans in your home state.
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explain what you've been hearing, the effect of trump's comments on them. >> oh, well, what he has said is just reprehensible, and you know, i believe most minnesotans think it's reprehensible and we would like to welcome muslim refugees, syrian refugees certainly. i went on floor and gave a speech about how that's in our american tradition, statue of liberty is about that. emma lazarus was talking about at the time russian jews. that was my grandfather. this is our refugee program. the most vetted people who come
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to our country are those in the refugee program. we're talking about visa waiver program and looking at that and looking at people who have been to iraq and syria from places like france or belgium or something like that, but on the refugee, we need to be taking these people, that little boy on that beach who had drowned, i can't get that image out of my head. and americans should be thinking about the people who are fleeing terrorism. >> they're fleeing because of the issues of living through a war-torn country, through a terrorism of an organization that isis produces, and the big question not just only on the refugee status front is about who is going to fight isis on the ground, who is going to be able to really get their hands around that problem? and for a lot of people out
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there, they might not understand how it's going to work with sunnis, shias and kurds fighting alongside one another when in the past history dictates they're only willing to go so far, certain borders and not work alongside each other any further. >> well, as you suggest, syria and iraq are both very complicated places and, because of that, we don't want to find ourselves in another long land war like we've had in iraq or for the last 13 years in afghanistan. so what the president laid out in his speech the other night is what we are doing now. and democrats in the senate who want to give him an aumf. we voted on one, they voted in committee, the democrats, on foreign relations, but we're
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hearing a lot of criticism of the president from republican colleagues, but we're not hearing anything that they're offering going forward. >> and so aumf is the authorization used for military force that's kind of been languishing right now, not getting any movement when it comes to that for the president. i do want to move on to what the president said today when it comes to -- >> good. >> -- what the president said about no left behind -- >> oh, i was hoping. i was there for when he signed the new law at the white house, and i'd love to hear what clip, what comments you selected. >> you set it up perfectly for me, sir. take a listen. >> this law focuses on a national goal of ensuring that all of our students graduate prepared for college and future careers. and this law requires states to invest in helping students and schools improve and focusing on
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the lowest performing schools and closing those big achievement gaps. >> so sir, explain -- and i know you've been working on this, i think for about seven years, trying to see this through. >> yep. >> explain how this reduces the accountability from washington, but is going to be better for our students. >> well, it's not accountability from washington. it's accountability to washington that we're talking about here. and the states will have much more flexibility in addressing the failing schools. they will also have a lot more flexibility in the curriculum they teach and the tests that they administer, but they still have to address the bottom 5% of schools and they still have to have their -- while they have flexibility, they have to have those plans, they are accountable to the federal government for -- to see that those are working.
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but we had a sort of one size fits all way to go during this -- during no child left behind. we live with that 13 years, saw what worked but really a lot of what didn't work. one of the things that didn't work is minnesota has a lot of rural schools. and if you had a school that failed annual yearly progress for three years in a row, one of the things that was one of the choices you had was to get rid of half your teachers and get rid of your principal and you can't do that in rural america. and so you'd end up having two school districts, each of which failed, just sort of exchanging their faculty. and it didn't work. and there's also going to be -- there's going to be fewer tests right -- because we will not have the nclb test that you have
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to take. the states can fashion their own test. so you won't have what we've had, which is states taking the nclb test, taking the state test, school districts taking their own designed tests for themselves and teachers spending so much time in test prep and not enough just teaching, which is what they want to do. and kids learning in a fun way. and states will have the choice, for example, of not having to do like be judged on how they're doing by how many kids exceed this artificial line of proficiency which is the way that they did it. >> i know, they can learn -- >> -- and have this perverse effect. >> senator, i have to leave it there. senator al franken. please forgive me. >> i'm sorry that we spent -- that we didn't get enough time to spend on this. >> i know that you say this is going to help the kids learn the
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way that they learn, which is by enjoying something. we look forward to seeing how this is going to go through in the coming years. and update no child left behind. >> we saw some of the very perverse things that happened because no child left behind. and we're going to get rid of those, give the states more flexibility, but we're also going to be monitoring this very closely to see how this implementation goes. >> we look forward to seeing how it does, sir. thank you, i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> i want to give everybody an update to this breaking news, a field test on substance found at a washington, d.c. office is negative meaning it is not hazardous. it's time for the your entrepreneur of the week. she start out two decades ago making candles in her garage.
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trump's comments on banning muslims from the u.s. muhammad ali, one of the most prominent muslims, told nbc news that muslims have to stand up to anti-islamic speech. and mark zuckerberg took to facebook sharing with his millions of followers that, quote, muslims are always welcome here. despite all that, the first early polls are in and they suggest that donald trump's call for a ban on muslims entering the u.s. is helping him rather than hurting him. also today the makeshift alliance between trump and ted cruz under threat after cruz appeared to question the front-runner's judgment at a private fund-raiser in new york city last night. today trump announced he is postponing a scheduled trip to israel including a meeting with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu until, quote, after i become president. this morning, he also hit back at critics of his muslim ban and the quote, foolish establishment.
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i didn't do it for that reason. you can say that was risky. i understand that the new polls that have come out have had me even higher because a lot of people agree with me. but i certainly didn't do it for poll numbers. i'm a truthful person and the establishment is foolish. these are foolish people. the establishment seems to be against me, but i'll tell you who is not against me are the voters. >> joining me now from portsmouth, new hampshire, where trump will speak in just a few hours, nbc's katy tur. they have to be celebrating these poll numbers. >> reporter: they're definitely celebrating these poll numbers. we have him up 20 points nationally. a poll from a couple days ago has him up 20 points, up 18 points. donald trump is feeling good about all the poll numbers despite all the backlash he's getting in the media, from his opponents and the political establishment, even the backlash he's getting

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