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jury's decision. jurors there found him guilty on 18 of 36 charges of sexual assault, among them four counts of first degree rape. the jury then recommended more than 260 years in prison. in a facebook post, the oklahoma city police department said it was quote, satisfied with the jury's decision and firmly believes justice was served. nbc's charred hles hadlock is i oklahoma city. an emotional day for the victims who spoke out again less than an hour ago. >> reporter: yeah. the news conference is just breaking up here behind me. what an emotional testimony by some of the victims. what they testified to here was what they testified to on the stand. that was they were scared to death that they were going to be killed by this officer if they didn't comply with his sexual demands. one of them was a 57-year-old grandmother. let me back up and explain the
prosecution's case in this. it was a case against officer daniel holtzclaw, a patrol officer in the northeast sector of oklahoma city. he worked the night shift. he targeted women in his patrol car, specifically black women with a criminal background. his thinking was according to prosecutors that he could perform sexual acts on them and vice versa and they wouldn't complain because he had them over a barrel. he knew that they wouldn't complain because they had a criminal record against them and it would be tough for anyone to believe them. well, his case fell apart when he sexually attacked a 57-year-old black woman who was driving home from a dominoes game. she did nothing wrong, she said. she was pulled over, the officer made her perform sexual acts on him. she was scared to death. in fact, she was so scared that when he walked away back to his patrol car, she said to him thank you for not killing me. she went to the police and the
police immediately began an investigation, and found 12 other victims telling similar stories. that's when holtzclaw's case fell apart and police began to move forward with the prosecution against him. they came up with a 36-count indictment. he was convicted of 18 counts of sexual assault against those 13 women. last night, just as the officer was being led away in handcuffs, the crowd was cheering, crying and also singing "happy birthday," mocking the officer. yesterday was his 29th birthday, the day of his conviction. >> charles hadlock in oklahoma city, thank you for that. ari melber is msnbc's chief legal correspondent. ari, how unusual is it for victims to come forward in a case like this even after a conviction when a police officer is involved? >> looshk, one of the people in this case said who do i call? i was just assaulted by a police
officer, who would i call. that was the nub of the issue in this particular case. we played some of that dramatic remarks in the press conference last hour. he listened to more of it that didn't make air. one of the other points pressed by the victims and advocates was look, initially people didn't take them seriously. everyone in the country has been spellbound by this case as we learned all the details. they were saying initially local leaders, local press and i want to be clear, they called out the national press and said people didn't listen to these women because of the very thing charles was just reporting, because this officer, now convicted rapist, was picking and targeting them precisely because he thought no one would listen to them which goes to just the heinous nature of these crimes. we also heard the women say that they were not going to just be victims, that they were standing up, that they were speaking out and race cut through this entire thing. another point here legally is there are crimes that specifically invoke race like a hate crime. these crimes did not.
he was just convicted of sexual assault, battery, first degree rape, among other things. so race was not a legal element. but the prosecutors, based on the facts they had and the case they wanted to win, they brought race into it, even though in this diverse community, the jury happened to be all white, the prosecutors pressed ahead with a dramatic theory of the case. they said this was an officer who systematically picked these women because they were black, because they were potentially of a lower class in the officer's view and because their types of criminal records or history with drugs or false statements would make them unbelievable. that shows you how sick and premeditated the officer was. that's what the prosecutors pressed late last night when the jury came become with this verdict that is equivalent to a life sentence if he's sentenced in full. we saw the officer break down in complete tears and sort of complete panic as it set in on him what he's facing, potentially life in jail.
>> 263 years in prison. ari melber, thank you for that, sir. let's turn to 2016 politics now. donald trump dominating the polls but under attack on a number of fronts on this friday. the "washington post" reporting that republican leaders talked about a brokered convention during a recent dinner that could mean a nomination fight at that convention in cleveland next summer if trump is still leading then. the latest polls have trump on top and by a wide margin in places like iowa and new hampshire. we will get to that in just a moment. meanwhile, one of trump's businesses is also under attack today. this time by the online collective anonymous, the hacker group has taken down the website of the trump tower where trump makes many presidential announcements just a few blocks from here on fifth avenue. all of this coming as trump continues to face a great deal of backlash for those comments he made about banning muslims. here's trump's -- here he is last night receiving the
endorsement of a police union in new hampshire. >> people have to be vigilant. people have to keep their eyes open. if they did that, you wouldn't have had the world trade center. of course, if they did what i said, you would have had osama bin laden killed before he ever got to the world trade center. nou that. >> three stories right now on the trump effect and how it is affecting the race for the presidency. we start with nbc's kerry dann who joins us from d.c. let's talk about what ben carson said earlier today, coming out against this idea of a brokered convention in a statement. he talked about that "the washington post" report, about two dozen establishment republican leaders getting together in a d.c. restaurant to talk about how they would deal with a floor fight should trump -- this is what ben carson said in part. quote, if this was the beginning of a plan to subvert the will of the voters and replace it with the will of the political elite, i assure you donald trump will
not be the one -- excuse me, not be the only one leaving the party. the idea of a brokered convention here, it came up during the last election cycle as well, hasn't happened in 50 years. what's going on here? >> well, that's right. the idea of a brokered convention is sort of the dream of political nerds. we love to think about the possibility of it and it comes up in campaign cycles but it's taking on additional importance now because of this wild card of donald trump. it's a little early to predict how the scenario would play out but it is certainly completely imaginable that trump and perhaps two other candidates, somebody who is in that kind of establishment lane like marco rubio, then somebody in the tea party lane like ted cruz, all go through the primary process and none come out at the beginning of the summer with a majority of delegates heading into the cleveland convention. now, if that was to happen, and there wasn't a clear majority of those delegates for one nominee, there would be a single ballot
and if no nominee got a majority, then there would be additional ballots after that. now, the way that process would work would be a lot of horse trading and political elites talking to each other about who eventually of those candidates should be the person to emerge as the nominee. the thing to keep in mind is that there is no modern historical precedent for how that would work if there's one lesson we learned from donald trump's rise, it's that the political elites do not hold the kind of influence they used to have. it's unclear what kind of political power brokers there would be and how that process would play out but because it is a possibility, you are starting to hear more chatter in washington of the campaigns and the rnc thinking about how that would potentially play out and what kind of plans they should put in place if in the primary season, we start to see that kind of dynamic with a couple of different candidates splitting up the vote about equally is to happen. >> carrie, thank you. to ted cruz caught on tape during a fund-raiser, questioning whether trump and dr. ben carson have the judgment, his words, the
judgment to be president. the tape was obtained by the "new york times." here are a few clips. >> i like and respect both donald and ben. i do not believe either one of them will be our nominee. you look at paris, lu at san bernardino, it's given a seriousness to this race that people are looking for who is prepared to be commander in chief, who understands the threats we face. who am i comfortable having their finger on the button. that's a question of strength but it's also a question of judgment and i think that is a question that is a challenging question for both of them. >> so there's ted cruz at that fund-raiser a short time ago. cruz said this via twitter, quote, the establishment's only hope, trump and me in a cage match. sorry to disappoint. donald trump is terrific. hash tag, deal with it. we have the senior political
reporter. what can we expect to see between donald trump and ted cruz on that stage? >> i think you saw ted cruz has been kind of in a non-aggression pact with donald trump throughout the campaign. they actually had a rally together during the iran deal negotiations. ted cruz went out of his way not to criticize donald trump on the idea that cruz thinks trump will fade away. not true so far. and that cruz ultimately wants to get trump's supporters by not attacking trump. you saw in that tweet just now ted cruz wants to be nice to donald trump. i don't think you will see him target trump directly but donald trump, on the other end, i think is in a different situation. he likes -- the big thing about cruz right now is he is surging in a lot of polls. the data from iowa shows the evangelical wing of the republican party right now really likes ted cruz. he's becoming one of these top
two or three candidates in this race. i have a hard time thinking donald trump won't take on ted cruz even if ted cruz wants to keep making nice with donald trump. >> it will be interesting to see on tuesday if and when donald trump punches him, if and how ted cruz punches back. perry, thank you. steve kornacki, host and political correspondent on msnbc joins us now. let's take a look at the polls that we just mentioned. trump again towering in the latest one out of new hampshire. but i understand there could be some signs of trouble here, no? >> well, it's interesting. because when you look at the national polls in this race, we have seen this story for months now, donald trump way out in front. we got another batch of them this week, nationally asked people about this race, donald trump is dominating. but then there is that question of those early states. i want to take a look at two potential trouble spots for donald trump when you look at the start of this calendar. remember, all the action starts this february, the first state to vote will be iowa. take a look. perry bacon just alluded to this. this is the latest poll out of
iowa. donald trump has actually fallen into second place in iowa. ted cruz as perry was saying, surging with evangelical voters. they make up well over half the electorate in iowa. they are overwhelmingly increasingly overwhelmingly getting behind ted cruz. cruz has pulled ahead of trump here in this poll. other polls still have trump up there but that is a warning sign. here's the new poll out of new hampshire. this is where things get interesting. because you take a quick look at this and you say nothing for donald trump to worry about here, right? he's at 27%, he's in great shape here. on the surface, that's what this looks like. but take a closer look at these numbers and pay particular attention to these three names. chris christie, by the way, that's a surprise. chris christie up there in second place. chris christie, jeb bush, john kasich. okay, the three of them are generally what you would consider establishment candidates. when you look close at the numbers, what you find is a lot of overlap, people who are with kasich, maybe their second
choice is christie, they're with christie, maybe their second choice is kasich. these are sort of the stop trump establishment candidates. you add the 12 for christie with 8 for bush and seven for kasich, you add those numbers together, you get 27%. you get the same number donald trump has. here's the risk for donald trump. if the establishment candidates, if the establishment support in new hampshire could ever consolidate behind one of those candidates or maybe behind somebody like marco rubio, who might also be amenable to the establishment, there is an opening there for the stop trump wing to beat him in new hampshire. so on the surface, looks great for trump there. but what he's mainly benefiting from right now, split opposition. >> what's interesting in new hampshire as well, to me at least, is typically that's a state that rewards retail politics. it's a state that rewards the candidates that spend a great deal of time knocking on doors, going to diners. save these massive rallies that the donald has had there in the
granite state, we have not seen a lot of that from donald trump in new hampshire, no? >> that's the interesting thing. sort of the test of two different theories of politics. donald trump does sort of the big splashy events, does heavy media stuff but you look at this poll, who is in second place right now, chris christie. how did christie get to second place? he got there by doing exactly what you are talking about. he's been doing the town hall circuit all across the state. he shines in those settings. that's how he's gone from 2% up to 12%. >> our poll master, steve kornacki, thanks as always. our pulse question focuses on the growing concern over donald trump's comments on muslims with many voices now like hillary clinton and the group anonymous expressing concerns over that proposal to ban all muslims from entering the united states. here's the bing question. is donald trump's rhetoric playing into the hands of isis? tell us what you think. head to pulse.msnbc.com to vote right now. we will share the results throughout the broadcast.
coming up, the family of laquan mcdonald speaking out in just the last hour as a fresh round of demonstrations get under way in chicago. we will take you to the windy city next. and still ahead, what investigators say they hope to find at the bottom of this lake outside san bernardino. first, though, breaking news right now on wall street, where the dow is reeling. it's actually climbed just a bit. it was at one point nearly 300 points down. now it's at about 250, being dragged down by lower oil prices, falling oil prices, crude dropped below $39 a barrel. it is at its lowest since december 31st, 2008. we'll be right back. conquer the weather.
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the fbi is following up on new leads in the investigation of the san geebernardino shooti. dive teams are expected to search a lake for any potential evidence. the park is about two and a half miles from the scene of last week's shooting. investigators say the lake is of particular interest because they believe the shooters may have gone there after the massacre but before the shootout with police. meanwhile, right now, family and friends are saying their good-byes to 58-year-old damian meins, one of the victims of that shooting. meins is fondly remembered as a guy who dressed up as santa for his local church. nbc's blake mccoy has been following all of this for us in san bernardino on this friday. first of all, what kind of evidence are investigators looking for at the bottom of that lake? >> reporter: they are remaining tight-lipped at this point. they say it was a lead that brought them to this park. this park is about two miles
from the inland regional center where that shooting took place. that lead indicates that the couple was either here before or after the shooting. they have searched the park itself and turned their focus to the water. if i step out of the way here, you can see that they have resumed their water search today. now that the sun is up here in california. that's one of two divers in this lake. the water is very, very murky so they have to move slowly. even near the shore, they have to feel around with their hands just to make sure they don't miss anything. what they are looking for is any evidence that could potentially help them as they piece together this investigation. we know at the house they found two crushed cell phones that had been discarded by this couple. they think there may be more evidence for them to find. craig? >> what more if anything have we learned about these attackers? >> reporter: right now the focus is on anyone who may have helped these attackers, any potential accomplices. they have enrique marquez in
custody or are interviewing him, i should say. he has not been arrested or charged with anything. but i asked authorities why they are being so tight-lipped about this search and other searches they are doing and they say if this does have to go to trial down the road, if there are charges that come against other people they want to make sure they have a solid case, they want to make sure they don't give away too much to the media right now. >> blake mccoy for us out there in san bernardino, california, thank you. we are also tracking some news in connecticut as well. the governor there is planning to sign an executive order on guns. frances is covering that story from the newsroom. what can you tell us about this? >> the governor says he will sign that as soon as he gets this list. governor malloy responding to be the san bernardino shootings. as connecticut's governor, he is all too familiar with that kind of tragedy. his executive order would bar anyone in the fed's terror watch list from buying a gun in his state.
>> if you cannot fly due to being on a government watch list, you should not be able to purchase a firearm while on that watch list as well. this is basic common sense. the american people get it. >> about 800,000 people are on the terror watch list. 64,000 of them are on the no-fly list according to 2014 congressional testimony. one question a lot of people have is if a similar executive order could come to other states. the "new york daily news" reporting that governor cuomo is studying how to get a similar program done in new york. he reached out to governor cuomo's office for comment but have not heard back. we should notice, legal right now for terror suspects to purchase guns in the united states. membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law according to 2010 report by the government accountability office. in fact, more than 2200 suspected terrorists try to buy guns in the united states between 2004 and 2014.
91% of the time, they succeeded. craig, of course you can imagine there is pushback from republicans, also gun rights advocates. we reached out to the nra which called the executive order a political [ inaudible ]. this is a constitutional issue. there's a right to bear arms, also citing in one report that when it comes to this terror watch list, it's not accurate. one report citing at one point even senator ted kennedy's name was on that list. >> lot of folks suggesting this might be a good time to fix the no-fly list. frances, thank you. when we come back, we will go to chicago, where again, demonstrations, protests there getting under way for another day there. you can see a live look on the streets of chicago. we will go there on the other side of this break. (exec 1) well, directv beat us in customer satisfaction
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. we are following this developing news in chicago at this hour. you are looking at live pictures of demonstrators at city hall there demonstrators including some community leaders there like the reverend jesse jackson, for instance. they are praying, we are told. then they plan to encircle mayor rahm emanuel's office as calls continue for him to step down after the police shooting death of laquan mcdonald. >> -- that you comfort us, be with us, guide us, give us direction but yet let your love abide in this place and this community and in this world. and we thank you right now, god, for victorious -- >> just last hour, mcdonald's family prayed together before they spoke out for the first time since police released that dash cam video of their son's death. a police officer fat ally shot the 17-year-old. the officer has since been indicted for murder.
>> the death of laquan was not to make people famous or anything like that. it was -- it stemmed from a problem that has been a problem in america and that is racism and hatred. racism and hatred. >> msnbc's adam reese is in the thick of it there in chicago with the protesters. adam, what are you seeing, what are you hearing? >> reporter: craig, good afternoon. we are with this group of community leaders, reverend jesse jackson is expected any minute. they are actually circling city hall seven times. among other things, they are demanding an investigation into the police department, the state's attorney and several other offices. they want the justice department to get involved. they are not satisfied that officer van dyke has been charged. now, this is ira, one of the leaders of the development here.
tell me what brought you out and what are you hoping to accomplish? >> it's vitally important today that the mayor's office, state's attorney's office, be investigated by the federal government as well. you know, it's not just enough to investigate the police department, because people are speculating collusion may have taken place here so it's vitally important that the mayor is asked these questions. >> reporter: you heard the mayor say he's sorry, he takes responsibility for the laquan mcdonald shooting, he takes full accountability for the police department. >> well, many people have questions about was $5 million of hush money paid. people have questions whether 13 months of suppressing the tape had something to do with his election. here's the deal. if he has nothing to be afraid of, come on and face the music. he must do that. he mentioned the other day about
he wants to come against the blue code of silence but he failed to mention he was part of it for 400 days. >> reporter: thank you very much. one other thing, the sheriff's department here in cook county is responding to reports there were two sheriff's deputies on the scene of the laquan mcdonald shooting that did not that they were there at the scene, did not file an official report. so many more questions the mcdonald family is looking into as well as many members here. >> adam reese with protesters in chicago as again, they encircle the office of mayor rahm emanuel. donald trump, back to donald trump, his controversial comments regarding muslims provoked outrage in a lot of places but now, there's an unexpected group that also appears to have taken offense and they may be doing something bit. plus, 24 hours later, answers now about how a driverless train powered through four stations in boston yesterday, carrying dozens of
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if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. turning to some developing news right now. the audio recordings of oral arguments in a pivotal affirmative action case at the supreme court earlier this week, those tapes were just released. it is our first chance to hear exactly what justice antonin scalia said that caused such an uproar. our team is covering every angle of this story with the legal and political analysis. we start with nbc news justice correspondent pete williams who listened to the audio of those proceedings. pete, what do you have? >> well, this is justice scalia questioning the lawyer for the university of texas in austin. it's defending its affirmative action program. the way the program works at u.t. is the top roughly 10% of the graduating high school class in texas is automatically entitled to admission and for the other quarter of the class,
the school uses a variety of factors including race, and the question is can it constitutionally do that. now, here's the question, the bit of the back and forth between justice scalia and the lawyer for the university of texas. >> there are those who contend that it does not benefit african-americans to get them into the university of texas, where they do not do well as opposed to having them go to a less advanced school, a less -- a slower track school where they do well. one of the briefs pointed out that most of the black scientists in this country don't come from schools like the university of texas. they come from lesser schools where they do not feel that they are being pushed ahead in classes that are too fast for them. you know, i'm just not impressed
by the fact that the university of texas may have fewer, maybe it ought to have fewer, and maybe, you know, when you take more the number of blacks, really competent blacks admitted to lesser schools, turns out to be less and i don't think it stands to reason that it's a good thing for the university of texas to admit as many blacks as possible. i just done think -- >> this court heard and rejected that argument with respect, justice scalia, in the gruder case. a case our opponents asked this court to overrule. if you look at the academic performance of minorities versus top 10% admits over time, they fare better. frankly, i don't think the solution to the problem with student body diversity can be to set up a system where not only are minorities going to separate schools, they are going inferior schools. what experience shows in texas, california and michigan is this is not the time and this is not the case to roll back student
body diversity in america. >> you heard reference to the gruder case. this was the supreme court's earlier decision in which the court once again said that colleges can take race into account in order to achieve academic diversity. just one other point here. this is supposed to be a legal argument, not a public policy argument before the supreme court. the court has said that when a government institution like a university makes distinctions based on race, that it can only do so when there's a compelling government need and the program that does it is narrowly tailored to achieve that end. the supreme court has said before that educational diversity is a compelling government need because students do better the second question is, is the program narrowly tailored, do you have to have race to achieve that diversity. so it appears justice scalia's questioning this whole question of diversity, whether that really students do do better when that happens, and one other point to note before we turn it over to my colleagues here is that the basic theory that the justice was expounding here is
what's called the mismatch theory which is the proposition by opponents of affirmative action that when you take someone from a less advantaged high school where they maybe not do academically as well and throw them into an elite school, they are constantly behind, they are sort of always trying to keep their head above water and they might do better in a place where they didn't feel so isolated and didn't feel so behind the curve. that's the theory. that's what he was talking about. that's what has engendered all the criticism. >> pete williams in washington, d.c. on this friday afternoon, thanks as always. msnbc's chief legal correspondent ari melber is with us now. ari, when you listen to that excerpt, it sure does sound that justice scalia is in a way making a sort of argument that perhaps we should return to the days of brown versus board of education, what this country looked like before that landmark decision in the mid '50s. sounds like maybe the justice is
making the same sort of argument for secondary education in america. >> it sounds that way and a lot of people have taken it that way which goes to the controversy but it's not really that way legally. what the justice is doing there is posing a question. that's why he uses the word maybe and that's why he says some are asserting. indeed, we can put this up on the screen, he's referencing explicitly a brief that was filed to the court by two parties, basically two scholars who were not taking a position one side or the other but who were proponents of this concern, this so-called mismatch theory, which pete williams was just explaining, this idea that if an admissions program is too concerned with affirmative action and diversity, it may misplace where students would fare best. that's the theory. that's what he's asking about. i will note that in the gruder case, the michigan affirmative action case that pete mentioned and scalia mentions there, that theory was actually dismissed and the overwhelming weight of scientific evidence countenances
against that theory. that's why so many universities have said yeah, we know about that, we are the ones doing the research and that is not an overwhelming concern with regard to the other things we're thinking about, how to holistically create a student body. again, on the core point of what does a judge or justice of the united states supreme court do when they ask a question, it's not embrace a side or conclusion. now, again, i'm not putting my head in the sand here. we do know that justice scalia has ruled against affirmative action previously. one would expect as with precedent that he would continue to conclude that way. but the fact that he asked a question that says maybe there's this thing or hey, we heard about this thing in briefs, is this true, that question alone simply doesn't legally tell us where he stands. >> ari melber, thank you, sir. let's turn to msnbc host and political correspondent steve kornacki now. as ari indicated, the reaction to this earlier this week was
swift and fairly intense. we have also gotten some reaction as well from some folks who want to be president and the president of the united states by virtue of his spokesperson. >> well, that's right. interesting, ari provides the legal context for what scalia was saying there, but politically, especially on the democratic side, you're talking about one of the most if not the most conservative justices here, an appointee of ronald reagan and democrats have wasted no opportunity here in going after scalia over these comments. most pointedly, harry reid, top democrat in the senate, who said scalia endorsed racist ideas from the bench. >> these ideas he pronounced yesterday are racist in application if not intent. i don't know about his intent. but it is deeply disturbing to hear a supreme court justice endorse racist ideas from the bench. the nation's highest court. >> i think the comments articulated by justice scalia
represent quite a different view than the priorities and values that president obama has been -- has spent his career talking about. >> in terms of how the broader issue here of considering race as part of the college admissions process, how that plays out with public opinion, it's been remarkably stable and remarkably one-sided in this country when it comes to this specific question. we can show you the last time this issue reared its head in the supreme court a couple years ago. gallop poll asked americans should admissions be based solely on merit or should race be a consideration. 67% said merit only. 28% said race should be a consideration. that is lopsided. that goes across the board, even a majority of democrats a merit only. i should point out when you ask a broader question than that about affirmative action, there is majority support for the concept of affirmative action. so it also in a way depends what question you ask. >> as is frequently the case.
ari, i want to come back to you really quickly. clarence thomas in his memoir, my grandfather's blessing, spends a fair amount of time talking about affirmative action. did he break his silence this week? did he have any questions, any comments when the attorneys addressed that? >> de not. justice thomas as many court watchers know hasn't asked a question in several years and he didn't here. again, this is really the third time this issue has been back up before the court. we do know a lot about where they stand. justice scalia, a critic of these programs. he argues they are unconstitutional. justice thomas has spoken in personal tones in his decisions as well, saying he felt this stigma. but again, that's the debate. i know we are out of time. the u.s. government has said under multiple administrations these programs work, they help not only schools, they help the u.s. military, they help us have a diverse leadership class. that's the larger arc of the debate here, not just theories about whether someone's at the wrong school, quote unquote.
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we are following developing news in suburban boston. an update from the governor of massachusetts on that runaway train there. governor charlie baker saying that an mbta employee did not follow safety procedures. this is more of what governor baker said just a few moments ago. >> my message today to the millions of people who rely on the mbta to get around every day is that we are confident that this was an isolated incident where a single individual appears to have made multiple errors. >> nbc's ron mott is in braintree, massachusetts. ron, for folks who have not been following this story, what exactly happened there? >> reporter: well, here's what they think happened yesterday. this train, this is a braintree station south of boston. what officials are saying, the
operator brought the train in here, they have a known signaling problem here which requires a work-around from time to time, called a bypass. to get a bypass, you have to have that authorized, you have to set the brakes on the train and then the operator's allowed to get out of the train to set a switch. apparently what happened yesterday, the operator had to perform a bypass, got off the train, set the switch, and then the train creeped away. apparently neither of the brakes were set. there's a throttle in this train, when its natural position in the operator's hand isn't on it, it is off. that will set the brake. there is also an emergency brake so officials are saying that it looks like neither of those brakes were set. the throttle appears to have been artificially held open so once the operator went outside the train to flip the switch, the train just took off. now, there have been a lot of questions about how fast this train was moving. it was in the bypass position so it is if going by design, it would not exceed 25 miles per hour. there are still a lot of folks on that train, 50 or so, who
were pretty scared about the ride they undertook yesterday that passed through three stations before they killed the power to the third rail and got it shut off. >> ron mott for us in -- just outside boston, where again it appears as if it was operator error there yesterday. ron, thank you. up next, take a look at this. why would anyone ever think it's okay to dress up like the folks in this photo? we'll tell where you it happened and which presidential candidate has already weighed in on it.
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the president of the citadel facing calls for him to resign. the citadel is south carolina's military college in charleston. the calls for him to step down following the controversy that was spurred after these pictures of citadel cadets appear to show them wearing costumes resembling ku klux klan hoods and surfaced on social media. the president of the citadel called them disturbing and
suspending at least eight of the cadets in the pictures. this morning, activists of the local chapter of the national action network demanded action. >> enough is enough. how many times blacks in this city must forgive this city? we want action. we want action now. >> meanwhile, hillary clinton is weighing in calling for the conservative flag at the citadel to be removed as well. joining me is elder james johnson. elder johnson, here's the statement from citadel's president. it was released yesterday. quote, preliminary reports are cadets were singing christmas carols as part of a ghosts of christmas past skit. these images are not consistent with our core values of honor, duty and respect. why should the president, why
should general rosa step down now? >> because of accountability. it starts at the top. the citadel is no stranger to racism. this is going on for many, many years. so we want him at the top to step down from his position, get somebody in there who's going to address the issues. the citadel itself, itself goes back many years with that conservative flag and in 1987 they had the same problem with the klansman symbol and hoods at the citadel. >> you correct me, in mid-'80s a black cadet there, some white cadets came in and roughed him up and left a burning cross or a charred cross and the student left school and 200 students ended up protesting, as well. back in the mid-'80s there in charleston. have you heard from the citadel? >> no. we leave message to get in touch
with the organization here in south carolina and haven't heard a thing from them. and what makes this so bad, six months ago nine people at emanuel ame church died with the symbol of the klansman. it is blocks away from the church. it is a slap in the face to the black community and the people in charleston, south carolina. we cannot sit back an allow this to happen when the new black panthers came to charleston and spreading that hate, national action network spoke out about it. to tell them to take that hate back to where they came from. we have hate here in charleston. we have to do something about this. every morning we wake up it -- from broadway street to the
citad citadel, it's black slavery. >> in what way? >> it's a slap in the face. >> in what way? >> we still see the slave market. we see the building. we see the trees still there where our ancestors got hung at. it reminds us every day of slavely and then on top of that the ku klux klan is the worst terrorist america has ever seen. they have killed more people in america than isis have. that is slap in the face to black folk. the young black cadets are minority should not live the that type of hostile environment. >> we have to leave it there. elder james johnson from south carolina on this friday, thank you. donald trump's comments on muslims apparently making him a new enemy. we'll tell you just who made a threat against the donald and may have temporarily brought down one of trump's web scythes,
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afternoon. secondly, this is the affirmative action case challenging the program at the university of texas at austin. now, it is somewhat unusual situation because the university basically allows admission to any student who graduates in roughly the top 10% academically of any high school in the state. the university argues to achieve necessary diversity on campus it has to use race as a factor in deciding what to do for the rest, the other 25% roughly of the students who don't get in under the top ten plan and justice scalia in these questions are about whether that actually does a favor for minority students. here's what he said. >> there are those who contend that it does not benefit african-americans to get them into the university of texas where they do not do well as opposed to having them go to a
less advanced school, a less -- a slower track school where they do well. one of the briefs pointed out that most of the black scientists in this country don't come from schools like the university of texas. >> so this court -- >> they come from lesser schools where they do not feel that they're being pushed ahead in classes that are too fast f them. >> that's the question for the school -- for the university and the supreme court. the supreme court must decide whether diversity at the university of texas which can be allowed and has been allowed under previous supreme court decisions to use race to achieve that necessary level of diver diversity craig. >> all right. thank you, sir. i'm joined by ari melber. a whole heck of a lot of uproar over there when the transcripts
were released a couple of days ago. is this as big of a story as it seems on the face or blowing it out of proportion? >> legally it is not a big story because justices ask questions about the arguments made wbefor the court. asking a question is not an indoersment of that theory automatically and you can see it in the language he uses. he says some assert this. and he's referencing basically a friend of the court brief submitted by two scholars putting forth a mismatch theory. there's evidence that's wrong and the u.s. government said that's wrong and the u.s. military says we want to consider diversity and indeed the supreme court did not embrace this sort of theory the last time ruling on this. having said all that, the reaction is beyond the statement alone and given the analysis of and justice scalia as a person that seems to delight in upsetting, being controversial, indeed, the internet tomorrow
and i don't know if you know this term is trolling. you know that term? >> i am familiar with that term. >> sometimes there's an opinion on the court justice scalia trolling trying to get a rise out of people. he has written many objectionable things. i have covered them. written in a legally binding opinion legally is bigger the deal than the statement. >> you sit tight. right now i want to turn to politics. 2016 politics. four days until the next republican debate. donald trump leading. the front-runner now turning his focus on a new contender. ted cruz whose star is rising, evangelicals begin to gather around the texas senator. this as word that republican lead earls have talked about the possibility of a broken convention next year in cleveland. ben carson said that could force him to leave the party.
here is donald trump hitting upon the theme of muslim terrorism. >> people have to be vigilant. people have to keep their eyes open. if they did that, you wouldn't have world the trade center. if they did what i said you would have osama bin laden killed before he got to the world trade center. you know that. >> and if that weren't enough, trump also facing purported threats from the online group anonymous saying it took down the website of trump tower thursday night where trump makes a lot of those presidential u announcements and pronouncements. cal perry has more on this anonymous claim of targeting trump. we start with my buddy steve kornacki following the developments in the race for 2016. let's talk about what appears to be a growing rift between ted cruz and between donald trump. they will be on stage together in about four days for the next
republican debate and interesting the see how they play with each other. >> really. this is what we have all sort of been waiting for over a few months and every time ted cruz is asked to say something critical if he'll say something critical of donald trump, he's always refused and now new developments this afternoon backing off. before that, remind everybody how we got here. wednesday night at a private fund-raiser, no cameras in sight. ted cruz talked candidly about donald trump and ben carson than he usually does in public and this is what he said. >> the final two candidates i'll discuss are trump and ben carson. both of them i like and respect both donald and ben. with both of them, i think gravity is pulling them down. we have seen that. carson is fourther in that descent. but i think in both instances in particular, you look at paris, you look at san bernardino. it's given a seriousness to this race that people are looking for who's prepared to be a commander in chief? who understands the threats we
face? who am i comfortable having their finger on the button? >> so that in trump world that's basically throwing down the gauntlet and donald trump responded to that on twitter then this morning saying, looks like ted cruz is getting ready to attack. i am leading by so much he must. i hope so. he will fall like all others. will be easy. here's what ted cruz came out with. a new tweet. the establish's only hope. trump and me in a cage match. sorry to disappoint. donald trump is terrific. deal with it. it looks like ted cruz walked up to the brink here. maybe didn't know he was and now pulling back. >> let's talk about this idea of a brokered convention. not been one in, you know, at least 50 years. >> 1952. second ballot. >> 60 years. when's the possibility this time around? >> here's the thing. we talk about it. there comes a moment every four
years and every election a moment saying, you know what? i don't see how anybody gets a majority. here comes the brokered convention, the deadlock convention. the thing to keep in mind is that the modern process of selecting presidential candidates which involves every state having a primary and caucus, that has almost completely eliminated the possibility of a deadlocked convention. in the old days, they didn't have primaries and caucuses. you had party bosses to show up with delegates. nobody knew. 46 ballots and then woodrow wilson was president and different now and donald trump is a wild card and we're seeing in the polls commands 20%, 30%, 35% maybe of the support f. that support stays with him no matter what, maybe nobody can get the jrt. >> if donald trump and ben carson decide to run as third party candidates, when's the thing? >> ben carson, report of republican leaders talked about a brokered convention and he's
saying the party leaders are out to get me. he's trying to re-establish himself with outsider credentials and rose to the top and wants to make it look like the party establishment, the party leadership, the party bosses are autoto get me. that's how i'd read his statement today. >> steve kornacki, thank you, sir. i want to bring in cal perry now. senior editor of video and digital content. he has been monitoring very closely this story on the group anonymous. anonymous, of course, claiming that they're targeting donald trump now. they have taken down at last check they'd taken down at least one of his we believe scythes. what more can you tell us? >> this is his new york website. trump tower new york. down two hours and i'm sure donald trump will thank them for the free publicity. it's come to our attention you want to ban all muslims to the united states. this policy will have a huge impact. this is what isis wants.
that's why they said they were targeting donald trump this morning. >> we have got this self proclaimed trolling campaign against isis now essentially by anonymous, as well. what affect can this have on the current efforts? >> it's changing the opt micks of isis. right? i spend a lot of my day looking at the horrible ways that isis is killing people and then sending out the video. today, anonymous asked everybody to troll the group, take photos they're putting out and mock them. so look. i know you have kids, right? so we have this spongebob squarepants ripoff. never made sense to me until now and this is seeing also the use of cartoon ducks. >> why ducks? >> i have no idea. because it's funny, i guess? right? it changes the optics. 99.9% of the stuff on isis is horrible and really dreadful. and this is a way to -- >> we laugh at it. look at it. what does that really accomplish? >> it shows that people are out
there on social media like isis. most days they control the message and today someone else is controlling it. >> isis trolling day as it's been dubbed. thank you so much, sir. former oklahoma city police officer daniel holtsclaw likely spending the rest of his life in prison. he was convicted of 18 of 36 charges of sexual assault and 4 counts of first-degree rape. 13 women including a 17-year-old and a 57-year-old grandmother accuse the former officer of attacking them, all of the victims were black women. two of them detailed their encounter with him just a short time ago. >> i was scared. i didn't know what to do. i felt like i was in survivor mode so i had to do what he was making me do. >> he did things to me that i didn't think a police officer would do. i was innocent. and he just picked the wrong
lady to stop that night. >> yes. >> nbc's charles hadlock is in oklahoma city with more on this. charles, it was the oldest victim who went to police went as i understand it. how did the case then build? >> reporter: yeah, craig. she was the key witness in this, the star witness, if you will. let's back up and explain what the case was against this officer. officer daniel holtsclaw patrolled the northeast part of oklahoma city. that's mostly poor, mostly black and he preyed on women in that area who may have had a criminal background. but he picked on the wrong person. profiled the wrong person back in june of 2014. he selected this woman, pulled her over for supposedly swerving. but this grandmother, 57 years old, just left a domino's party and she said that he stopped her and made her raise her top, lower the bottom and then he
asked her to perform oral sex on him. after he left and was walking back to her -- his patrol car, she said, thank you for not killing me. she thought she was going to die. that night. that is when she went to the police and the police immediately began an investigation and began to look into officer holtzclaw and found 12 other victims who basically told the same story. that's when the prosecution put their case together and launched a prosecution against this officer. last night, he was convicted after the jury here heard more than five weeks of testimony, deliberated more than 48 hours over 4 days. they came up with a verdict of 36 counts, 18 of which he was convicted for. there was cheers in the courtroom. the officer hung his head low. he sobbed. he also said out loud i didn't do this as he was led away. and interesting as he was led
away, people in the courthouse were both cheering and crying. and also, singing happy birthday, mocking the officer, he turned 29 yesterday. the day he was convicted. craig? >> all right, charles hadlock for us there in oklahoma, thank you. we are monitoring developing news in california right now. fbi divers, you can see them right there. those divers are searching a lake in san bernardino for a second day. what they think might be under that water. first, though, demonstrators marching through chicago once again. this just hours after the family of laquan mcdonald spoke out publicly for the first time since that dashcam video went public. we go live to chicago next. this is brad.
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we are following developing news in chicago at this hour. take a look at some video of demonstrators at city hall. this video just coming in a short time ago including community leaders like the reverend jesse jackson there. they're circling mayor rahm emanuel's office as calls for him to step down grow. all of this, of course, coming after the police shooting death of laquan mcdonald. >> we ask right now that you comfort us, be with us, guide us, give us direction but, yet, let your love abide in this place, in this community. >> earlier today, mcdonald's family prayed together before they spoke out for the first time since the family released that dashcam video of their son's death. the police officer that fatally shot the 17-year-old has been indicted for murder. msnbc's adam reese in chicago.
let's start with the family. again, there have been lots of calls for mayor emanuel to step down. did laquan mcdonald's family join that chorus today? >> reporter: they sure did. and this was the first time that we have heard from the family. we heard from laquan mcdonald's great uncle thanking everybody here in chicago for coming out. day in and day out. protesting in laquan's memory. calling for change at the police department. calling for change at city hall. he once again in addition to the mayor called for anita alvarez, state's attorney, to step down and asked for more funds to come into the hard-hit neighborhoods on the south side of chicago and a summit to include the white house, focus on police brutality. >> laquan was a kind of kid he greeted you with a hug. he tried to make you laugh. he was a jokester. that's who he was. he was the life of the party. he was just a jokester, big kid.
>> reporter: now, something that the mcdonald family watching very closely, the cook county sheriff today reporting to rereports of two sheriff's deputies on the scene at the shooting and did not report. there was no official report filed and it wasn't learned until months later when the fbi located them and that's an addition to this investigation and you can be sure the mcdonald family wants the know more about that. craig? >> adam, thank you. from chicago to connecticut, the connecticut moving to become the first state to ban gun sales to people on no-fly lists. i'll speak about that and more with connecticut democratic senator chris murphy on the other side of this break.
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investigators have focused on this particular lake. they are looking for potential evidence there. meanwhile, a funeral is being held right now for 58-year-old damien means. means is one of the victims in the shooting, one of the 14 who died. he is being remembered as a guy who dressed up as santa for school pictures and at his local church. nbc's blake mccoy is at that lake with the very latest. blake, why is this lake, why has it become such an important part of the investigation right now? >> reporter: the fbi is telling us that they're here on a lead that someone said that they saw this couple either right before or right after the shooting in this park. they have already searched the park and now they're in the water and in this particular section of the park looking to see if evidence was discarded there. we have a map to show you. this park about two miles from where the shooting scene took place and a straight shot up the road. you can see it there. so conceivably, the two if they
were fleeing the shooting could have passed by the lake and dumped evidence and that's why authorities are not taking chances. this is the second day out of the water and saying t inin init another location and new leads following up on. all of this has the community on edge here. i spoke with some of the neighbors. >> heaven knows what they're looking for. i'm kind of keeping up on it but from there to here, you know, it is just odd. >> unsafe feeling, yeah. sometime you feel like you're not safe in your own yard. anything could happen. >> reporter: in the water, you can see one of two divers that is in this section of the lake and you're looking at only about an eighth i'd say of this lake. it is a big lake in this park and they seem to be focused on this particular area. so that indicates that the fbi good evidence it was this part of the lake. they should be looking in but
again, the fbi is very tight lipped on what they're looking for and what led them here because if this does go to trial, more people charged, other coconspirators they say they don't want to jeopardize any aspect of this investigation. >> blake mccoy for us in san bernardino, california, blake, thank you. we are also tracking some news out of the connecticut on this friday. governor planning to sign an executive order to bar anywhere on the federal terror watch list from buying a gun in his state. >> if you cannot fly due to being on a government watch list, you should not be able to purchase a firearm on that watch list, as well. this is basic common sense. the american people get it. >> roughly 800,000 people are on the terror watch list. 64,000 of them are also on the no-fly list. all of this according to congressional testimony in 2014.
chris murphy is democratic senator from connecticut. good to see you, sir. thank you for your time. >> sure. >> how exactly would this work? especially considering the extreme secrecy that surround the terror watch list and the no-fly list, as well. >> listen. i think it stands to reason that anyone who we have a suspicion may be linked or involved with terrorist organizations shouldn't be able to buy a gun. now it also stands to reason that you should be able to get off of that list and so what our governor is proposing is similar to the bill that we lost in a vote on the floor of the senate last week which would be a denial, initially, of gun rights for those on the list. but -- an ability to agrieve that decision, we decision. >> an appeal process? >> yeah. if you shouldn't have been on the list but the default position should be that if you are not allowed to fly you shouldn't be able to buy a gun and we know over the course of ten years there were 2,000
people who are on the terrorist watch list who did successfully buy a gun and that does present a potential real security threat to the country and my state. >> we know that the watch list is shoddy. ted kennedy was on the watch list. periodically we get reports of other people on this terror watch list, as well. what say you to those who say that you shouldn't be using this as the list from which to draw? >> i mean, the question is, what do you care more about? gun rights of people on the terrorist watch list or protecting this country? the reality is that all of these proposals including the governor of connecticut's has an ability to get off of that list. if you aren't supposed to be on it. the fact is that 90%, 95%, 99% of the names are there for a reason and, you know, the fact is that there are people who are on the existing list of those that are prohibited to buy guns and not be there either,
wrongfully yvonconvicted of a c. no one's talking about deconstructing that list and much better in this case to be safe now than to be sorry later on. >> all right. senator chris murphy of connecticut, senator, thank you. >> thank you. tomorrow in texas, gun rights support earls plan to hold a mock mass shooting on a college campus. we go to austin for reaction to that planned demonstration. this is brad.
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ramish. he was wanted by the united states and interpol alleged crimes of conspiracy to provide support to terrorists. we know that intelligence led them to him in barcelona where he was changing location, trying to hide his location. the cat loan yeah minister said he is a recruiter for al qaeda. built an organization there, worked on logistics, recruiting and financing for al qaeda. wanted internationally arrested by police in barcelona. no comment from u.s. officials as of now. also, up to date on this ongoing situation in kabul, afghanistan. regarding the spanish embassy compound where we understand a car bomb explosion happened there in this area. a diplomatic enclave of kabul where a lot of dignitaries and
embassies are located and high-ranking afghan officials and getting as far as information from nbc news that the situation may still be ongoing following that car bomb, some of the attackers may have stormed a section of the embassy, the spanish embassy, not necessarily the main building, but a guest house within the compound there. the spanish embassy. it is unclear if this is still ongoing and the afghan deputy minister said attackers killed. not clear as far as whether this situation is over or searching for other attackers, as well. it is important to note here, taliban claimed responsibility for this. so we don't know if there are any fatalities, injuries here involving the spanish embassy, the guest house portion of the spanish embassy compound and continuing to follow it and bring you up to date with what we know, craig. >> frances watching two stories for us, overseas. back here, gun rights supporters will be holding a
fake mass shooting demonstration near the campus of the university of texas-austin tomorrow. organizers say the demo will a dramatize the view allowing guns on campus would help stem the rash of murderous acts. reaction is mixed. >> is it going to be dangerous? >> i don't think it's particularly dangerous but i think it could cause for confusion on campus and distract the message that students for concealed carry is trying to relay. >> i'm against campus carry and with being in america we have free speech and a right to demonstrate what we believe in and people that believe in this they have a right to demonstrate a fake mass shooting. things can happen anywhere. >> marissa schmidt is a university of texas alum. her family embedded in the ut community. two sons attended the school. her father was a professor there. good to see you. thank you for being with me.
organizers insist it's card board guns in the mock mass shooting. what was your reaction hearing what was being planned? >> hi, craig. thank you. well, i'm concerned. of course, i understand the right of free speech and the right to assemble. i think it can -- i think it sends a poor message. i think it can be confusing, frightening. i think it is happening during finals which is very stressful week for students anyway. at a very busy time and a very busy part of the city. >> what's the message that you think it sends to the campus community? >> the message to me that it sends to the campus community is we're more concerned, i believe gun right activists are more concerned with their rights and not so much how other people perceive our rights to be. >> you are a member as i understand it, a member of an organization called gun free ut.
there has been a debate on that campus and there's been a debate on a lot of campuses of concealed weapons on campus. there's a task there at ut recommended students to carry inside classrooms but not inside dorm rooms. how do you feel about that? >> well, i'm happy to hear that the president has not allowed them in dorm rooms. however, i was very disenheartened they will be allowed in classrooms. i think -- i know that classrooms can get very heated, very passionate. students and professors and staff members all have very strong opinions and they tend to discuss very controversial subjects. and things get heated. and i think it is unwise and unsafe to have guns inside college classrooms. >> marissa schmidt there in texas, thank you so much. >> thank you. a judge blocks draftking and
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over whether it's illegal gambling. both msnbc's parent company comcast and nbc sports are among the investors in fanduel we should note and joined now by senior editor at large eric chibi. thank you for being with us. >> of course. >> 13% of all of their business is done here in new york state. how big of a blow is this to daily fantasy betting? >> a big blow because what the judge is saying is that i think you're going the lose the real case that the state has against you. today's ruling is temporary. can they operate while the real case goes on? the judge said i think you're going the lose and shut you down right now. 13% obviously that goes away right away but if other states think, hey, new york's a big deal, if they think it's a bad deal, we need to look at our stuff. >> in terms of what we have seen so far, nevada right now, the only other state that's blocked
in there and a lot of folks saying nevada blocked it competing with the traditional sports betting. >> nevada changed it to say it's gambling. apply for a gaming license and already five states that didn't have it. so there are already a few state that is didn't have it. nevada added the list. other states are starting to pop up to say when's going on here? draftkings and fanduel did not apply for the gaming license in nevada. they don't want to apply for the license. >> a year from now, tw years from now, we still talking about websites like this or a matter of time before they've gone away? >> we are because you have to look at when's backing them? all the big media companies. the nfl, the nba. they have partnerships. you have politically invested people who can talk to their congressman, senators, get these things down. david boyes, he is the lawyer for draftkings and a character
to watch. this is a loss for them but they eventually do what a lot of cases, we'll see these sites around, maybe in a legal but regulated way opposed to wild west frontier version of so far. >> eric chemi, thank you. reaction to donald trump's comments on muslims, it continues to come in and it is far and it is wide. the latest coming from saudi prince who just tweeted apparently a few moments ago, in fact. i will have to read it. donald trump, you are a disgrace not only to the gop but all of america. withdraw from the u.s. presidential race as you will never win. we should note at this point no response from the donald just yet. cal perry is here. why is this guy significant? >> he is's the 20th richest man until world. worth $30 billion with a "b" and talked about giving away most of his wealth. you can see him here.
interestingly enough in 1995 donald trump was in a massive amount of debt. he had to sort of relinquish control of the plaza hotel here in new york and that is investor that came in. four years previous to that, he bought donald trump's yacht. from business pals to this. >> twitter enemies. >> yeah. >> so this guy floated the donald a loan and then bought his boat from him. >> this guy, he controls the biggest holdings company in saudi arabia. they have investments in twitter, citigroup, four seasons group, fair mont and the savoy hotel in london. >> this is a guy who's very significant. cal, thank you so much for that, sir. up next, chris hayes talks about a special report he is working on months in the making. back to baltimore.
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baltimore took to the streets over the death of a man named freddie gray. >> justice! >> but days of peaceful protests eventually gave way to destruction. >> that's it. no more. >> the cameras came in. they're definitely projectiles tossed at the police now. america watched a city in chaos. this is the story of what happened after the cameras left tie majority of the people that were protesting are still in the same predicaments that they were in. >> we went back to baltimore and spoke with residents assessing the damage. >> we didn't riot because it was something we wanted to do. we're just tired. >> tonight, on a very special edition of "all in" my colleague and friend chris hayes taking a look at how far the city of baltimore progressed in the wake of the freddie gray unrest. many journalists there to document the fallout and back to baltimore uncovers what progress the city made since then. chris is with me now. it does not seem as if a great
deal of progress is made in baltimore. >> a few things, right? tremendous political upheaval. the mayor who was once tauted as a rising star announced shocking many she will not seek re-election. you have an open mayoral race. eight, ten, maybe more candidates, right? at the same time huge spike in homicides. the city of baltimore has this year reached the highest per capita homicide rate in its history. >> that is saying a lot for baltimore. >> yes. it sort records, getting below 200. this year above 300. the thing we heard time and time again talking to folks was so many of the conditions that gave rise to the frustration that you saw expressed in the wake of freddie gray, both in the riots and also in the peace proful protests, that's the same. what does it take to make the west or east baltimore or the
really sort of disinvested neighborhoods of baltimore thriving and vibrant places? >> this is what we do and you and i have done it. you go to places like baltimore, go to places like ferguson, insert name of city here. you drop in for a few days. >> that's right. >> cover what's happening on the ground, protests, peaceful. >> right. >> whatever and we leave. >> that's our job. >> you went back. >> we went back. had producers down there. i've been down there numerous times and the first televised interview with the commander of the district and a fascinating female sen now running the policing and the part of policing where freddie gray was apprehe apprehended. today the jury going home for the weekend and then resting in the first trial of the first officer connected to the death of freddie gray, eddie porter. the city is a tumult and
upheaval and uncertain about the way forward. >> i remember a thing that folks said as i was leaving on that friday, he said, man, you all will be back. you all will be back. did you get the sense when you were there that this is a city on the verge once again of more civil unrest? >> i got the sense that the frustration that fueled that is still there and in some ways maybe possibly intensified because i think a lot of people there was one of these kind of national conversations about -- that we have often about sort of inner city neighborhoods, right? no jobs, no opportunity. young people have no place to go. people feel like that attention went away fast, any promises made about youth centers not delivered on. you have the governor announces not that long after what happens there he's killing a billion dollar public transit project in the city of baltimore. there's a tremendous amount of frustration in that community
and also, though, a lot of organizing happening and capacity building happening at a local grass roots tloefl reduce violence, create police accountability and change the complexion of a city that pretty clearly needs it. >> really looking forward to this special. tonight first, of course, "all" 8:00 every night here on msnbc and then 9:00 "back to baltimore." only here on msnbc. thank you. earlier today, a radio interview, republican senator and presidential candidate graham asked how's trump doing so well? he drew a line between trump and birtherism. take a listen. >> there's about 40% of the republican primary voters believe that obama was born in kenya as a muslim. there's just a dislike for president obama that's visceral. almost irrational. >> nbc news senior political editor mark murray joins me now.
mark, what senator graham said right there is same thing he said to me about six feet from where i sit, some month ago, and become a popular line. you at nbc's first read political team with an analysis about the reasons that trump managed to last so long. besides this general deep disgust of president obama, what else is behind this? >> yeah, craig. to truly understand donald trump and his staying power, goes well beyond e visceral dislike of president obama and the birtherism of 2011. we identified a couple of other categories. one being the recent terrorism that's come around where after the paris terrorist attacks and after the san bernardino shootings, we have seen the issue of terrorism and national security skyrocket in a lot of polls. donald trump is the recipient of that according to the polling that's come out after paris and san bernardino. and then you still also look at
the economic anxiety that exists. >> how's that the case? not to -- whatever, but if the electorate is concerned about national security and terrorism, how then does donald trump become the flag bearer for the gop on those topics? >> craig, that's a great question and, of course, all the polls indicate that donald trump has been the big beneficiary out of all of this and maybe an explanation is that people want somebody who at least acts and sounds strong. and that is one thing that he's been able to channel. he certainly doesn't have foreign policy experience but to be able to be tough i think that's giving haim short-term bump here. >> people like the fact he sounds tough. all right. mark murray, thank you so much. that wraps up for today's show. thomas roberts back here on monday 1:00 eastern. kate snow picks up the coverage next. music: "another sunny day" by belle and sebastian ♪
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i'm kate snow. u.s. anxiety over a terror attack growing and the primary beneficiary of those fears, donald trump. but today, it's trump's budding rivalry of ted cruz that's dominating headlines. ted cruz backing away from remarks criticizing donald trump, cruz questioned the judgment of trump and ben carson in a private meeting with donors wednesday night. audio of which has been released by "the new york times." >> who am i comfortable having their finger on the button? well, this's a question of strength but it's also a question of judgment. and i think that is a question that is a challenging question for both of them. >> and cruz wasn't finished. predicting the laws of political gravity would lead to trump's eventual demise. >> so my approach, much to the frustration of the media, has been to bear hug both of them and smother them with love. us