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temperament? >> you look at the way he's dealt with the senate where he's gone in will like -- frankly, a little bit like a maniac. you'll never get things done that way. >> cruz brushed off trump's latest attack tweeting a clip of "maniac" from "flashdance" and both behind coming the a head to head matchup against democratic front-runner hillary clinton. here to break down all of the latest poll numbers, msnbc's steve kornacki. >> an interesting development this afternoon has to do with the comments donald trump made about ted cruz over the weekend calling him a little bit of a maniac, questioned how he behaved in the senate. rush limbaugh who defended donald trump, really helped to support donald trump rising to the top of the polls, he did not like the comments. he went on the radio show this afternoon and really first time this campaign he attacked donald
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trump. let's play that. >> this is no different than what the media could way about ted cruz. this is no different than what the democratic party would say. i mean, this is what the republican establishment would say, for crying out loud. i mean, this is akin to saying, i'm the guy who can cross the aisle and work with the other side. so he has decided to go after cruz here in the way the establishment republicans go after cruz in the way the media goes after cruz in the way the democrats go after cruz. he's essentially put on his john mccain hat here saying i'm donald mccain and i'm the guy that can cross the aisle and work with the other side. ted cruz can't. >> again, this is a potentially significant development if it continues to because, of course, trump claimed so many of the anti-establishment republican votes, support of that wing of the party so much, limbaugh is somebody that part of the party
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listens to. take a look at what's just out. just this afternoon, monmouth university, they released a national poll of republican party and they found, look at this, a giant lead for donald trump. the interesting thing here is that over the weekend, in iowa, monmouth, the same pollster, put out a poll with trump losing in iowa. trump at the time said, basically, i have never heard of monmouth. who ri r thare they? trump promotes it on the twitter account and i think he's heard of monmouth. take a look at this over the weekend. this is the biggest story right now in iowa. in terms of the republican race. this is the des moines register poll in iowa. the key is you see a lot of polls and this is known as the gold standard poll in iowa. this is the most highly respected, the one that traditionally gets it right the most often. they have ted cruz surging to a 10-point lead over donald trump. when's fueling the rise in this poll is strong support from
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evangelical voters in iowa. get this. from the last time that the des moines register took the poll, a 21-point jump for ted cruz. that's the single biggest jump they have found from one poll to the next for any one candidate. that's how fast and far he's risen in iowa, kate. >> steve, ben carson is down in that poll in iowa but a bit of good news for carson with hillary clinton. >> yeah. it's a bit baffling. nbc news/"wall street journal" pitting the candidates against hillary clinton you have ben carson a point ahead of hillary clinton. donald trump down 10. rubio's three points ahead. rubio certainly arguing electability and this is something we have seen all year, actually. polls earlier in the year with carson up close to ten points on hillary clinton and represents a bit of a drop for him and a bit of a baffling question for some people given that his stock has
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fallen among republicans as national security is a major issue and struggled to address, it's a major issue for all americans, too, but yes, point ahead of her in our poll. >> thank you. a few hours from now donald trump holds a rally in las vegas ahead tomorrow's debate. i want to bring in katy tur live in las vegas covering the trump campaign. he put out medical records, right in he's claiming he's the healthiest guy ever. >> reporter: medical records might be a generous way to describe it. it's a doctor's note. gosh, it's windy here and says that donald trump lost 15 pounds in the past year. not a lot of major issues and the physical strength and stamina extraordinary and if elected mr. trump will be the healthier individual to ever get the presidency. it is such an odd way of describing an individual. gawkers calling it more of a way to describe a race horse or a
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fighting dog. also, the idea that he would be the healthier individual to ever ascend to office or presidency is kind of out there because, of course, this doctor hasn't examined any other candidate in the past. frankly, or any other president in the past. so this is a very weird note. it sounds like donald trump wrote it himself. i'm not saying he did but it sounds very trumpian and not a lot of detail. no blood pressure stats or things like that and not necessary or required for a candidate to release his medical records and donald trump in some sense is going above and beyond with this. of course, it is necessary for a president to release his medical records and of course donald trump is not president, at least not yet. >> katy, ted cruz doesn't seem to be taking the bait and holding the fire, tweeting out jokey tweets of maniac and not engaging and trump continues to engage. >> cruz is a very disciplined candidate in a way we haven't seen from ben carson or seen
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from the others that donald trump has taken out his ire on and not jeb bush. but cruz is much more discipl e disciplin disciplined, a great debater and remaining confident against donald trump's attacks. rush limbaugh comments you just played are very telling and very interesting and curious to see how that's going to play out with donald trump's base of support. of course, trump and cruz kind of fighting for the same base. asking voters who they like, they'll say donald trump and ted cruz second and vice versa talking to ted cruz supporters and donald trump has to tread carefully. seeing him attack cruz and not as vicious as attacked other candidates and treading carefully on the evangelical roots saying not very many come out of cuba and also as rush limbaugh was ranting talking about the senate record and not able to get anybody done because nobody likes him in the senate and i believe that's more of what we continue to hear from
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donald trump because he has staked his claim on being a winner, being a good negotiator. one to bring the sides together, fix things and say that ted cruz is not a winner and a loser in congress and hasn't got anything done and the supporters could potentially like that a lot and say when you ask him what they like about donald trump, they say they believe he'll be able to change things and get things done and they believe in him. kate? >> all right. katy tur in las vegas, thanks so much. see you later. while trump and cruz will occupy the two central podiums tomorrow night and chris christie returns to the main stage, it is mario rubio who may be both launching and fending off attacks tomorrow. i'm joined by nbc's haley jackson also in las vegas. talk of trump of cruz and when you think about it, it's rubio maybe who might be in the crosshairs more than anyone. i want to play a bit of what he said on "meet the press" over the weekend. >> i mean, he talks tough on
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some of these issues, for example, carpet bomb isis. but the only budget he's ever voted for in his time in the senate is a budget that cut defend spending more than barack obama proposes we cut it. when he has to choose of defense and the isolationist tendencies he seems to side with the tendencies. it is not personal. >> that was rubio talking about cruz on "meet the press." what do you anticipate for tomorrow night? >> reporter: i think you are going to see this cruz versus rubio and potentially trump and cruz versus rubio. he is a target for both of the candidates weeks now and something that would not be surprising the see. that said, rubio sharpened attack lines of senator cruz, as well. you heard that isolationist line and something i'm hearing with him more and more and going so far as to call cruz an neo-isolationist and drawing
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districts in a gop field dominated by personality, this is policy based and the campaign believes resonates with voters and connect be them. rubio is trying to now shore up the traditional values credentials with voters, particularly in iowa. he's got a new ad that begins airing tomorrow in both i with and new hampshire and i want you to listen to a clip of it. >> this election is about the essence of america, about all of us who feel out of place in our own country, a government incredibly out of touch and millions with traditional values branded bigots and hate earls. >> reporter: so it's significant in that over the last several months rubio hammered the biography, trying to introduce himself to an electorate that may not know where he comes from and shifting to the idea of tradition aal ideas voters and making a play like in iowa for them. the rest of the folks on the debate stage, chris christie on the main stage is important for him heading into new hampshire,
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trying to make a play nor that state. rand paul, eked his way into the debate to stay on the main stage, as well and then ben carson on center stage and our reporting indicates it will be dominated by rubio and cruz and trump and ben carson may kind of fly sort of not under the radar but stay off the main sort of meat of the program, if you will. and may hurt ben carson given this he's slipping in the polls significantly and may need a big night tomorrow or make an impression to reverse this. >> i loved your e-mail about ted cruz, sort of has a sense of hue n mor? >> reporter: who came up with the tweet? that "flashdance" tweet going kind of viral. ted cruz himself i'm told typed it up, sent it out. all right. ted is tweeting. you have to feel he's feeling proud of himself with the
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response to that tweet. >> yeah. thanks so much. over the weekend nbc news spoke to voters in south carolina why they're supporting donald trump. take a listen. >> he says it the way it is. and when he speaks, he speaks from the heart. >> this is the compilation of fdr's new deal of what we're living and our country's a mess. and when someone speaks to the truth like donald trump does, it's about time people hear it. >> i'm tired of it. our government is bigger than we the people. >> i don't think he'll put boots on the ground but strike the fear of america again. that we haven't seen in years. >> it's just very important. this country needs somebody to speak up for them. >> for more, bring in managing editor of "the washington post" politics section and founder of the fix, crishris si cillizza. it's big government and isis and
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fdr, what do you think is the big motivator and the fact that he's still on top? he's still on top of the polls. >> well, there's a lot of things but i think fair amount of it is attributable to a fear in the country. fear of economy and significant economic uncertainty over a decade. we have had significant foreign policy uncertainty. when's america's role in the world? what should bit? are we safe at home? paris and san bernardino driven those ideas home and he presents and heard this in the interviews and presents strength, someone who knows what he is doing in uncertain times and i think people are drawn to that. >> and that's what his supporters say but not what jeb bush says. have you seen this interview today with the business insider? i went to play a little bit of jeb bush talking about donald trump. >> sure. >> he's weakening the united states posture in the world and he is keeping our country less
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safe. the guy's not serious. not a serious person. he can't be commander in chief. he doesn't have plans. this is all -- this is all dog whistle talk. this is to provoke anger. this is to generate massive attention to him. >> chris, sort of striking for its candor, i think. you know? seems to be laying out the way he feels. >> well, kate, i think some of that candor comes from being he is in the polls. it is amazing to think of and doesn't have that much to lose. nothing he's tried to date worked. i'm not convinced going -- jeb bush attacking donald trump hurts donald trump in a meaningful way. see if he does it in the debate tomorrow night. the difficult thing in trying to attack donald trump as another kand date, he's a political barroom brawler and use any means necessary to win. talk over you. pull facts or maybe not facts
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from thin air and do whatever is required to be seen as winning and jeb bush isn't going to go that far so i'm interested to what trump's response will be and dismiss jeb of low energy and desperate and flagging in the polls. >> the new monmouth national poll that shows that trump's ahead by whopping 27 points now and, yet, chris, you have a piece arguing that ted cruz is actually the new front-runner. why? >> so look. there's no question you take a national poll today, a week from now, a month from now maybe even donald trump will be the front-runner because the campaign not super engaged even though we follow it every second, average people are not super engaged. they know the name, maybe like something about him in the republican field but going to a state that votes, a state by state process, in iowa, a poll over the weekend, 31 cruz, 21 trump. i think cruz is in position to win the state of iowa.
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trump could well win new hampshire, we'll see, cruz is well positioned and in south carolina and i think in a good spot there and march 1st calling it the scc primary and so southeastern conference teams or states are in it. you have got alabama, georgia, tennessee, texas. i have to believe that if cruz is in that mix, i think he will be, he's going to have an appealing message and be an appealing messenger for him. i think stock is undervalued right now and marco rubio's stock is overvalued. who knows about trump. he doesn't have stock. he's a privately held company. i think rubio is slightly oversold and i do think cruz really has a potential looking at the sort of ways we know people win nominations, money, the right conservative message, cruz is good on all of those things. >> yeah. and you and i might be paying more attention than anybody everybody. >> i ruled out that i'm a normal
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president obama made a rare visit to the pentagon here in washington to get an update on the u.s.-led effort to combat isis. the president met with members of his national security team including vice president joe biden and defense secretary ash carter. no major strategy shift
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announced but the president highlighted successes in the military campaign against isis. >> we are hitting isil harder than ever. coalition aircraft, our fighters, bombers and drones have been increasing the pace of air strikes. nearly 9,000 as of today. last month in november, we dropped more boms than any other month since the campaign started and taking out leaders, commanders and killers one by one. the point is isil leaders cannot hide and our next message to them is simple. you are next. >> today's visit, the first of several events on the president's schedule meant to calm fears about terrorism just before the christmas holiday. let's bring in white house correspondent kristen welker. this is strategic going to the pentagon and making this address. >> reporter: highly. as you say, president obama really aiming to america's fears ahead of the christmas holiday and answering critics saying he's not tough enough fighting
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isis. we heard a robust defense of the u.s. strategy and the president said we have ramped up the response. we are quesqueezing isis at the heart, strong language, and sending defense secretary carter to the middle east to review the strategy on the ground, secure commitments from u.s. allies. take a listen. >> just as the united states is doing more in this fight, just as our allies, australia and italy, are doing more, so must others. and that's why i've asked secretary cart tore go to the at least middle east. we'll leave right after this press briefing to work on securing more contributions to this fight. >> reporter: again, kate, so much of today was about optics. the president on thursday going to the counterterrorism center to get a briefing on the threat level to the u.s. homeland.
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he'll make more remarks in the wake of that. all of it before he departs for his own holiday to hawaii. kate? >> all right. kristen welker at the white house, thank you so much. let's turn to jonathan benjamin at dartmouth college and coordinator for the state department. nice to see you again. >> good to see you. >> let's pick it up where kristen left off. the president clearly trying to calm americans today but it looks like he has work to do if you look at the poll numbers. a poll shows 29% of americans are worried they or a loved one will be a victim of a terrorist attack. a recent poll shows 79% of americans think a terror attack is very or somewhat likely in the next few months. are you surprised at those numbers, daniel? >> we near a completely overheated media and political environment. and that is why we have the numbers we have.
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obviously, paris and san bernardino had an affect. but i think that this is a mood matter that's feeding on itself in a ferocious kind of way and being driven by a lot of very irresponsible political rhetoric, as well. >> so you think that all the talk of terrorism is feeding people to be more worried about terrorism? >> well, you have got candidates like chris christie saying this is world war iii. mike huckabee saying that it's pearl harbor. donald trump whipping up the fear that terrorists are going to be pouring in through our airports and wanting to cut off travel connections, cut off the borders for muslims. there is just an amount of hysteria in the air that we certainly haven't seen since 9/11. >> what about the substance of what the president said today talking about the accomplishments he listed off military moves of late, he talked about all the isis leaders that have been taken out by the coalition. do you see that as a shift or is
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that just the president trying to reassure people we're working on this? >> of course, the president is trying to reassure people and also true that the united states has increased the number of strikes. it has taken on new targets in the last month and going much after, for example, the oil infrastructure and getting more and more successful in terms of targeting isis leadership and we gather more intelligence as time goes by in that the ter. the news is getting better. of course, everyone wants everything to happen very, very soon and the recent terrorist attacks together with the political rhetoric really shaken people. >> all right. daniel benjamin, appreciate it. >> my pleasure. would san bernardino shooter tashfeen malik have been denied u.s. entry when immigration officials did something as simple as checking the social media accounts? will it force homeland security
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the fbi finished its search of a lake about three miles from is site of the deadly massacre in san bernardino. a law enforcement official tells nbc news the fbi acted on a tip that a hard drive belonging to farook and malik, the couple behind the shooting, may have been discarded there in the lake. for more, let's go to nbc's morgan radford in san bernardino for us. morgan? >> reporter: well, kate, as you mentioned the fbi concluded their search of that lake and while they did recover a few items, they haven't said whether or not those items are, in fact, related to this attack and concerned about a possible 2012 attack planned between marquez and farook. enrique marquez sold farook two of the five guns that were used in this year's attack and neighbors and friends say they didn't even realize he was
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married or a member of farook's family and converted to islamic around the time he sold farook the guns. looking into marquez, there's a significant backlash against the muslim community here in california. a 23-year-old man was arrested accused of a hate crime. nbc spoke to his parents and they believe he was influenced by social media and would not bail him out because if he did this crime he deserves to be punished. lots of questions and leads here in san bernardino, kate. this is a time when the fbi is still saying this is an active and ongoing investigation. kate? >> morgan radford in san bernardino, thanks. "the new york times" is reporting that tashfeen malik made it through three background checks by immigration officials.
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nbc's justice correspondent pete swims here with me in washington with more. so, pete, she goes through the application process for what's known as a fiancee visa and nobody looks at her facebook page? >> that was the practice at the time. nobody looked at social media of people applying for any kind of visa. there was a question about legally whether they could have, what factor it should have been and seems common sense and certainly looking into doing it now and didn't see it for two reasons. weren't looking for it. secondly, it's not entirely clear to us exactly how this was posted. two u.s. officials in separate agencies said this was not a public posting on facebook that anybody could see, a message she sent to her sister's facebook page in a way that an ordinary person not in the circle couldn't have seen it and not like it was in front of god and everybody. so those are the two factors why it wasn't seen. now, now the department of homeland security is looking at using the social media more in
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these vetting processes, a pilot project under way and three of they will right now to do this and looking at expanding it to all visa applicants and all of these k-1 or fiancee applicants. >> with all due respect, seems like one of the things where the government is three steps behind everybody else. employers looks at the social media experience before they offer you a job. >> they do other things that employers don't. they look at criminal records, this was never anything that they did in the past and now it looks like they'll do it in the future. >> while you're here, the other reporting you have this afternoon, you have been talking about a maryland man, when's the information you have there? >> right. that is man from northern maryland, edgewood, maryland, 30, mohammed elshinawai and communicating in june suspected might be isis and ultimately sent him almost $9,000 saying it was for operational purposes. they said the -- the fbi said
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there's messages from him to others to his brother, for example, dedicated to jihad. wanted to go over there and perhaps join the jihadists. he told the fbi that he never intended to carry out operations here. and indeed nothing in the charging documents suggest he did plot any attacks in the u.s. but, obviously, they were worried about it and arrested him. >> nice to see you in person. >> nice to have you here. >> thanks so much. coming up, heading to baltimore are where the jury has the case in the case of william porter, one of the six officers charged with the death of freddie gray. will the jury convict him? what does the trial mean in the city?
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jury deliberations are under way up in baltimore in the trial of police officer william porter, porter is one of six officers charged in the death of freddie gray. he's the first to be tried. gray died back on april 19th.
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a week after his neck was broken while he was in custody and being transported in a police van. for the latest, i'm joined by nbc's luke russert outside the courthouse in baltimore for us. luke, how did the closing arguments go today? >> reporter: they were interesting, kate. i was in the courtroom and able to hear a decent amount of them and they're really two distinct lines of thought being pushed by the defense and the prosecution. i'll start off with the prosecution. the prosecution is saying that, l look, officer william porter took an oath to the city and citizens of baltimore and his responsibility to make sure freddie gray was clicked in to the seat belt in the back of the van and should have done more when it was apparent that freddie gray was seriously injured, should have done more to get mr. gray medical attention and that because he did not act that it was, in fact, a criminal act. he is facing four chargers.
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involuntarily maun slaughter, assault, eng daner and misconduct in office. in terms of legal precedent, there are not a lot of cases of prosecuting law enforcement for failure to act and that the prosecution is trying to push forward. the defense picked up on that point and they said a few things. number one, everything that prosecution is saying is theory. no direct evidence that porter went out of his way to intentionally hurt freddie gray. he was acting under what he thought were existing -- the policy of the department. number two, they're saying, look. there is obviously a nationalization of this trial, the idea that somebody has to pay for what happened to freddie gray. but you can't throw all of that on officer porter. facts need to be examined in the terms of the law. not in terms of the media. and that is really what they're pushing forward. and saying that for the jury to consider just the facts in this
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case. now, as to what will happen moving forward, jury deliberations this week. the judge said tame as much time as you want to the jury. the city of baltimore is preparing for a verdict. all leave wanting to be taken by officers is postponed. they're set to work 12-hour shifts, the commissioner has them at the ready and when a verdict comes, unpopular with the local citizenry, they want to avoid what happened in may when things got out of hand real quickly, kate. >> we don't have a sense for how long the jury could have this. the judge told them to take as long as they want, right? >> reporter: he said they can take as long as they want. originally the judge said it was his hope the trial wrapped up by the 17th and going through the three charges i listed i think the one personally of reckless endangerment from what i heard in my conversations with people inside the courtroom and know it very well is probably the prosecution's best shot but the jury's going to have to go through each of the four and
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when they go through each of the four they focus on the context of the law, the jury, 12 people, seven black, five white and they take away the nationalization of it and just focus on the law, i'm sure they will have more questions and take a little bit of time to look at it, kate. >> luke russert in baltimore us, thanks so much. another shooting over the weekend is making headlines. this time in california. cell phone video captured the moment a suspect shot and killed by police. according to sources, 33 shots at nicklas robertson after he did not cooperate. robertson died at the scene. blake mccoy in los angeles with more. blake? >> reporter: kate, let's walk through the video. you will see what transpired over the weekend and had people so upset. first start with the cell phone video. this made the local news saturday night right after the shooting. see the officers firing 33 times, they continue to fire as
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robertson walks away and on the ground. people were outraged when they saw this video. so then 24 hours after the shooting, the sheriff came out and said, wait a minute. that's not whole picture. take a look at surveillance video from that day from a nearby building. it shows him walking around, waving the gun erratically according to the sheriff and then that's when they decided the public was at risk, 11:00 a.m. in a shopping district on a busy street and said he doesn't comply and when they fired. look at the still. the reason they kept firing is because even when he was on the ground he still had that gun in his hand. so authorities are trying to get in front of this and explain why they fired 33 shots and why they kept firing when he was on the ground, kate. >> all right. blake, is there anymore video that hasn't been released? do we know? >> we have reached out to get more cell phone video because it's very clear it was a busy street and other people had the phones out and waiting to hear
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back if we have other angles. >> reaction in los angeles? i mean, you think about this in the context of chicago and all the protests we have seen there. any reaction in los angeles? >> it's interesting we had this press conference 24 hours after the shooting. the message from the l.a. sheriff seemed to be we are not chicago. here's the video we have. this is why we acted the way we did. as you can see the family and friends of nick los robertson have been protesting because they say 33 shots was excessive even if he was not complying with orders. >> all right. blake mccoy in l.a. thank you so much. a warm welcome to syrian refugees while american politics debate over allowing them into the north and the prime minister showed up to welcome them. ge! a manufacturer. well that's why i dug this out for you. it's your grandpappy's hammer and he would have wanted you to have it. it meant a lot to him... yes, ge makes powerful machines. but i'll be writing the code that will allow those machines
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arrived on friday and more are on the way. kelly cobiella, nbc news, london. hard to believe but it was three years ago today we were racing to a tiny town called sandy hook hoping it wasn't as bad as the early reports said. i sat with two parents i met back then and what they're doing to help others not experience a similar tragedy.
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. three years ago today, we started hearing the preliminary reports. shots fired at an elementary school. it was almost unbearable to be there, the pain thick in the air. the christmas trees still for sale at the local fire house, which was now filled with first responders. 26 children and teachers were killed that day and since then, several states, including connecticut and new york have changed gun laws, but new york governor andrew cuomo said on
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"morning joe" today, gun control is bigger than a state by state issue. >> i don't know frankly that a state by state response is going to work. i have the toughest gun laws in the country and i have guns coming in every day from the southern states. it doesn't stop someone from getting in the car and driving a few hours and filling up the trunk with guns. it makes the guns more valuable when they bring them in. this is going to have to be a national response. >> i sat down with two people who have become friends through this horror. mark lost daniel, and nicole lost her son dillon. we talk about what it's like three years later. >> i drive past your town, i'm up in that area. when i see the sign that says "sandy hook" i feel something. i think a lot of people have that visceral reaction when they even hear the words sandy hook.
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it must be different for you because you live there and you have to keep going and you have kids in school. >> i try not to let that association influence my memories of the beautiful little sandy hook and that beautiful little school that i used to love to be in. i was there with daniel the morning before for his little french lessons that he would have before school started. and i used to volunteer there as a reader and just loved being in that environment, so i want to preserve it like that. >> i think also for many people outside sandy hook, if they think of sandy hook or see a road sign for sandy hook, it represents their worst nightmare, and that might be how it's remembered right now, but we want it to be remembered as a place of beauty, as a place where beauty lives, and as a place where transformation began. >> tell me what you're working on right now, mark. >> right now, we are bringing
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programs into schools and communities that are all about early identification and intervention. basically about helping people. and it really gets to the root of the cause of violence before it ever happens. and for me, we can't change the past. i know that we're influencing the future in a good and positive way. and that has been my therapy. so, yeah, we are very much active, it's what we do now. >> trying to identify, nicole, signs, warnings, signals, is that part of the work? >> absolutely. we've learned through this education around the causes and enablers of violence, we learned that all violence, and indeed all gun violence is preventable. but what we're not good as a people, how do you recognize those signs and signals. we decided we wanted to help
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educate people, kids and teenagers, as well as parents on how do you recognize at-risk behaviors. how do you recognize someone in need of assistance and how do you get that person help. and that is that prevention measure means that we might never get to the point of someone hurting themselves or someone else. >> in those early months when you were pushing for federal legislation, for background checks, and then that failed, then you went state level, looking for gun control measures at the state level. at this point, do you sense that there's any momentum for bipartisan legislation? >> i feel we're approaching a tipping point at this country, in that things are going to land on the right side of history. i think mental health and wellness is going to come first, but i think as more people become educated and aware of gun
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safety measures that can be done in their own homes, as well as what can be done at a legislative level, that we're going to see that change happen. the follow will follow once our own attitudes and behaviors have changed. >> it's hard for us to even imagine how frustrating it must be, though, for you to sit here three years later and still see gun violence happening. we're covering it every week. every week, we have breaking news, active shooter. >> i know. and as you reference the san bernardino shooting, i just remember kind of collapsing that day and thinking, we are just pouring our hearts and soul into this effort and it, you know, this kind of change takes time. as nicole said, we are in the process of this tipping point, but it's going to be a long road. and i have to keep resetting the needle on that, that we have to continue this work, and that we will see a difference, we will see a change.
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it's just going to take time. >> i think one of the key things for me was the ongoing violence that we're seeing more, reported more and more. people are starting to think in this is typical, that this is the normal way of life in america. there is nothing normal about these kinds of shootings. the problem is that people feel hopeless and helpless as to what they can do about it. we're here to say there are actions you can take. these are preventable. you just need to take those actions. >> one of the things that they talk about in terms of actions is just a simple act of kindness and trying to be kind to the people around you every single day. coming up at the top of the hour, president obama sending his pentagon chief to the middle east for a first hand look at the fight against isis while critics want a new strategy against the terrorists.
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the president met with national security leaders to get an update on the u.s.-led fight against isis. after the meeting, president obama made a statement where he highlighted gains against the terror group. >> since this summer, isil has not had a single successful major offensive operation on the ground in either syria or iraq. so far, isil has lost about 40% of the populated areas it once controlled in iraq. and it will lose more. iraqi forces are now fighting deeper into ramadi, to encircle fallujah and cut off isil's supply routes into mosul. these are urban areas where isil is entrenched. >> the president also said defense secretary ash carter would be headed to the middle east to gain more support for the military campaign against isis. let me bring in chris jansing now. chris, ash carter headed to the middle east. what's the white house hoping
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for? >> what they'd like to see is more cooperation from our allies and maybe some people who haven't been our traditional allies. his itinerary for security reasons has not been publicized. but this is an acknowledgement of a couple of things, one, an increasingly nervous public as we're heading into the holidays. a lot of people will be traveling. in the wake of san bernardino and before that paris, the concern that another isis attack could be in the works. certainly they've made it clear that's something they would like to do. we saw an impressive show of strength around that table today. virtually every major player in the military and counterterrorism and intelligence giving an update to the president about where we are in the fight against isis and where we need to go next. here's a little more of what the president had to say. >> we recognize that progress needs to keep coming faster. no one knows that more than the countless syrians and iraqis
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living every day under isil's terror, as well as the families in san bernardino and paris and elsewhere who are grieving the loss of their loved ones. >> reporter: as you know, kate, the president has come under some withering criticism, particularly from republicans on the campaign trail, and others in congress who say he simply has not been tough enough. and also some people on his own side of the aisle, who are concerned about the timing, who think that there's not enough of a sense of urgency. so today, for the first time, we really heard him acknowledge that things need to move along a little faster. not only is ash carter going to the middle east, but as previously planned, secretary of state john kerry is going to russia. vladimir putin, a key player in trying to move syria to a place where the united states would like it to be, even though these two countries are at loggerheads about what to do with president assad. and then as he continues to try to reassure americans, the president going on thursday to the national counterterrorism
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center before he heads off for his christmas holiday. kate? >> chris, thanks so much. let me bring in nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. jim, talk about the president highlighting gains made. he certainly listed many military advances and then talked about isis leadership who had been taken out by the coalition. he's trying to send a message here. >> that's right. in an effort, as chris just said, in an effort to ease concern of americans. he set out the most positive light on what is happening there in iraq and syria. u.s. military officials will tell you that there has been some tactical process -- progress, in that isis has been forced out of at least three major cities, two in iraq, and one in syria. but the president took a step further and said the u.s. would hunt down isis wherever they are. >> we're going after isil from
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their stronghold right in downtown raqqah, to libya, where we took at abdab eel, the isil leader there. >> now, that's the good news part of it. the bad news is that isis is gaining a strong foothold in libya. and there's a growing concern among u.s. military officials that while the u.s. is fighting isis primarily in iraq and syria, that isis could gain even more strength there in libya. and then as a matter of fact, since the border between turkey and syria has tightened up a bit, and it's harder for isis fighters and recruits to enter into syria, isis has been telling those potential recruits to go to libya instead. so isis is far from contained either strategically or emotionally or spiritually according to u.s. officials. >> i want to ask you about
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sergeant bowe bergdahl, the subject of this serial podcast. he was held by the taliban for years. what has the military now said? >> well, today, the u.s. army preferred two charges and referred them to court-martial for bowe bergdahl. one is desertion and the other is misbehavior before the enemy that endangers either individuals or a unit, or a place, and the contention in those charges is that when bowe bergdahl walked off his base, presumably to go to another base to report some faults at his outpost there in afghanistan and poor leadership, in an effort to save the lives of his fellow soldiers. the charge essentially says that when he walked off the base, when he allegedly deserted, that left one less trigger puller at that base and in fact, increased
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the risk to his fellow soldiers, not the least of which were then involved in an extensive search for bowe bergdahl after he disappeared. it's not clear when those charges will actually go to a preliminary review trial before a formal court-martial. and according to officials, anything could happen between now and then. and a plea bargain is not outside of realm of possibility. he's still allowed free movement in and around ft. san houston. although every time he leaves the base, he's escorted by two soldiers, and that's for his own self-protection. >> jim, thanks so much. i want to bring in mark ginsberg, former white house and middle east adviser, former ambassador to morocco. let's talk about secretary of state john kerry, heading over to russia to talk to putin and
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his friends. obama's strategy, as he's laid it out, has four prongs. one of them is resolving the civil war in syria. what does john kerry need from the russians on that trip? >> secretary kerry has put in a lot of effort and i want to commend him for it, in terms of trying to bring the syrian opposition together. there was a meeting a couple of days ago of the saudi opposition. the problem here is that there's always going to be where the tire meets the road so to speak. the russians do not necessarily see it the way the united states does, and that is that assad must go. the opposition wants to not negotiate unless they have a complete commitment that assad must go before they're willing to enter negotiations in a major international conference. so john kerry is going to moscow to, one, coordinate military operations, i'm sure, with mr. putin against isis. and number two, most importantly, to see if they can
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come to some agreement over the timing of mr. assad's departure. >> and at the same time, you have secretary ash carter heading over to the region. we can't say exactly where he's going, but that seems to be about getting more countries on board with the fight against isis, right? >> well, kate the problem has always been, that the president's policies have have been at the speed of 33 1/3, and isis and the struggle against isis requires a warp-speed mentality. so secretary carter is now trying to engage in the catch-up, that all of us, who are either democrat or republicans, have been urging. the arab sunni states and turkey must be in this fight. many of these states are always prepared to die against an enemy that is of much greater danger to them than it is to us, and that's isis. secretary carter will go to turkey and the gulf states. but it's clear that denying territorial control by the caliphate, by isis is going to be key. and the president signalled that
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when he had his press conference at the pentagon. he wants and is demanding more out of the sunni states in the middle east. >> the president highlighted so many gains. i was just talking to mick about this a minute ago. was it fair what he said today? or is he claiming too much success? >> well, you know, the problem is, the commander in chief can only earn respect if he has the respect of the american people and his adversaries. what the president is doing here is saying isis has been contained a few weeks ago. it's not. sort of like george w. bush with "mission accomplished." in the final analysis, the president is not going to earn the respect of the american people in a battle against isis, until they begin feeling safer. doesn't mean american boots on the ground, but he's only reciting achievements that are tactical. he's not convinced the american people that he has a strategy yet. that's the danger the president faces. commander in chief cannot be in charge of tactics. he has to be in command of
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the fbi and california police opened a hate crime investigation into the vandalism of two mosques over the weekend. the word "jesus" was spray painted on the outer wall of a mosque in hawthorn, and at another mosque, "jesus is the way" were spray painted.
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both incidents happened after a man was arrested and charged in connection to a fire at a riverside county mosque. these are the latest in a series of acts of vandalism, including arson at muslim mosques and sikh temples since the san bernardino massacre. turning now into the investigation into the russian passenger jet that went down in egypt on october 31st. today the egyptian government said in a preliminary summary, it has found no evidence of terrorism in the crash that killed 224 people. this contradicts russia's conclusion that it was an act of terror. let me bring in nbc's keir simmons from london. he's been following this story all day. keir? >> this is kind of perplexing. u.s. intelligence agencies had said it was highly likely that 224 people were killed by a bomb on board this flight from egypt's sharm el sheikh to st.
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petersburg. now egypt's aircraft accident investigation said there's no indication of unlawful interference with the aircraft. the technical commitee has found nothing indicating illegal intervention or terrorist action. it's stunning. all of the people on board were russian. four weeks ago, russia's director of federal security told president putin, he could say with confidence that terrorists were responsible, and said tnt was the explosive on board. now the egyptians seem to be saying -- they're not saying, kate, that there wasn't a bomb on board this flight. but they are saying that they don't think they can find anything to prove that there was. >> keir, is there speculation this is linked to egypt wanting to make sure that tourists still come to egypt? >> look, the tourist industry has been devastated. i was there just some months ago
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before this particular crash, at the pyramids, and it was pretty incredible how few people were there even then. so it is a country for which the tourist industry is a huge, huge revenue stream. and that revenue stream has been drying up. by the way, kate, the russians' response to this, president putin's spokesman said, i can recall the conclusion of our experts from the relevant agencies who arrived to the conclusion that this was a terrorist attack, which translated in russian means, we still think this was a bomb. >> keir simmons reporting from london, thanks for following all that for us. >> you bet. reactions are pouring in from around the world today, to this weekend's landmark climate deal. after two weeks of heated negotiations and some all-nighters, 195 countries signed off on the accord. the agreement calls for limiting
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the rise in temperatures worldwide to less than 2 degrees celsius, or about 3 1/2 degrees fahrenheit, in terms of the amount it rises over pre-industrial temperatures. and for the first time, they mentioned the goal of keeping temperatures below 1.5 degrees of an increase. 2.7 degrees fahrenheit, in other words, they want to really limit the rising temperatures. it also says that wealthier nations should take the lead in funding to tackle climate change, though a specific dollar amount is not mentioned. and joining me now by phone is founder of the virgin group, sir richard branson who attended this week's climate conference in paris, along with other business leaders. sir richard, delighted to talk with you. >> delighted to talk with you too. >> i know you're satisfied, you said it's a good thing. your reaction to the overall agreement? >> it's a very good deal.
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1.5 degrees, if the temperature goes above 1.5 degrees, we'll lose every single reef in the world, and that will be catastrophic. so 1.5 degrees is extremely important for marine life, but also important for flooding in cities and island states. so we're aiming for 1.5 degree, it's extremely important, and that's what 180 nations have signed up to try to keep it below. >> right. and yet there are some in the scientific community who you know don't think it goes far enough. former nasa scientist james hansen, one of the most prominent climate scientists, he called this deal, a quote, fraud, a fake, just worthless words, there's no action. just promises. how do you ensure that what's on the paper gets translated into
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real change? >> well, i think what we now need to do is to turn it into reality. we have to -- roughly 3% of all fuels that are produced over the next 35 years, must be clean energy. and we must create a clean-energy revolution. we must create hundreds of thousands of jobs. and it's up to governments to now set the ground rules to make that happen. one way of doing it is to make sure that the price of clean fuel is less than the price of dirty fuel. so that people -- car manufacturers can start moving all their new cars into battery-driven cars. the airline industry starts investing heavily in trying to develop clean fuels for airplanes, and we completely get
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rid of powering anything by coal and move to, you know, the wonders of sun and wind and other forms of clean energy. >> i wanted to ask you when air fuel. you mentioned it. a big part of your business at virgin is virgin airlines and air travel. according to berkeley researchers, air travel produces just over 3% of the average american household's emissions. and taking one cross-country round trip is equivalent to more than 10% of the average american's carbon footprint. it's contributing to the problem. as the owner of an airline, how do you try to adapt to a cleaner form of energy? >> in lots of ways. we pushed boeing and airbus to build planes of carbon fiber. we flew a carbon fiber plane around the world, non-stop, showing it could be done. and they have reacted by
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building wonderful planes that are nearly all carbon fiber, which is reducing fuel burns by 30%. but as i said earlier, within a few years, all our planes should be mainly powered by clean energy, energy that doesn't burn carbon, and we know it can be done for 50% of the planes and hopefully we can get it done for a lot more than that. again, if these governments can set the ground rules, then these governments can say, if you're going to carry on burning dirty fuels, you know, you're going to have to pay the price. if you're going to burn clean fuels, there will be some benefits. and that's the way to switch everybody's thinking and basically switch off dirty fuel, so that by 2050, this world is powered by clean energy, nobody's digesting dirty fuels,
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none of our kids are digesting dirty fuels. we'll have clean energy that can power the world for hundreds of years to come. the sun will last for billions of years and we cane the beneficiaries of it. >> before i let you go, sir richard, can i ask you one final question about donald trump. are you friendly with him as a fellow businessman? >> i've met him, but i wouldn't say i know him enormously well. >> but you're an observer of american politics. you spend a lot of time here. you're a fellow businessman and a fellow billionaire, to be frank. is that billionaire one who could run the white house in your estimation? >> um, i've always tried to avoid getting involved in party politics. look, i think that some of his statements are slightly
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frightening. and -- and -- and worrying. and, you know, if he really believes them, he shouldn't be in the white house. i mean, they're completely preposterous and very dangerous and, you know, potentially very damaging. so certainly he's worrying if he believes half the statements he makes. >> sir richard branson, we thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. cheers, thank you. a disturbing side effect of the heroin epidemic. coming up, tens of thousands of newborn babies in withdrawal. and what happens to these babies, and the political reaction to cynthia mcfadden's reporting. iginal hidden valley .
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the cdc says the number of babies born with addiction has risen five-fold. but what happens after the babies endure the excruciating withdrawal process? today a follow-up to that from cynthia mcfadden, and we want to warn you, the story begins with one of the symptoms of that withdrawal process that some may find disturbing. >> they are the most innocent victims of our country's opiate epidemic. it's hard to watch, but for too long, we have looked away. >> 14% of all babies who are delivered at our hospital in the year 2014 were exposed to drugs. it's an astronomical number. nearly 30,000 a year in this
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country. >> it can be frustrating, because you do everything and they're still uncomfortable. >> jasey frazier was one of those babies. she inherited her mother lacy's blue eyes and her dependency drugs. she was just six months old when the state of florida said her mother mistakenly gave her a lethal dose of methadone. >> there are going to be people listening to you at home, saying, this is a woman who killed her own child. >> yeah. >> what do you want them to understand? >> that i didn't purposely do anything to her. i love her so much. that things could have been prevented on my part, as well as if i'd have had some help, and that i take responsibility. i'm not putting this on anyone else. i made a mistake. >> frazier is serving 15 years in prison. >> sometimes when i wake up in the morning, i think that she's
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laying beside me. and then is it takes me a little bit to realize that it's my blanket balled up. it's not her. >> jasey's short life may have been served if a 12-year-old federal law had been followed. the law requires newborns like jasey being reported to child protective services. in jasey case, they did inform child protective services in south carolina where the family lived. this notation was in her chart. home health rn visits will begin after discharge. but south carolina ignored federal law in favor of its own far less stringent state law. >> did anyone ever come and see you when you got out of the hospital? >> no, ma'am. >> was there a safe-baby plan when you left the hospital? >> have a nice life. >> so nobody sat down with you and said, look, you're a drug addict, you're taking methadone, this baby's at risk, we need to
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have a plan? >> no. >> jasey is far from alone. despite the federal law, reuters and nbc identified 110 cases in the last five years where babies whose mothers used opiates during pregnancy died preventable deaths after being sent home. former congressman jim greenwood sponsored the law to protect these babies. >> federal legislation was passed 12 years ago, and here we sit and effectively, it isn't being enforced. >> right. now we have this epidemic and the system is failing us at every level, and it doesn't need to be that way. >> is there someone who could decree and make this happen? >> yes. the secretary of health and human services could say, we're going to look at this very closely and if you're not really doing your job, we're going to start withholding the money. >> so you wish the law had been enforced? >> yes. i wish that somebody had paid attention. because i didn't just fall through the cracks. i fell through the grand canyon.
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okay? >> and cynthia mcfadden joins me now from new york. cynthia, this report is so stunning. it follows up on what you did last week. what's the reaction been like? you were telling me that you've heard from doctors, from politicians. >> yes, if you recall last week, we had lily's place in west virginia that's doing a really important job in trying to help these babies. 11 inquiries they've received from doctors and other medical professionals, hoping to start such a program in their states. but, you know, it's fascinating, politicians are all in favor of helping these babies. new legislation was just passed sponsored by senators casey and mcconnell, and it's interesting, that bill passed unanimously, signed by the president, which intends to study the problem again, and to create specific guidelines for treating these babies. that's all well and good, but what about the federal law we've got on the books? 12 years. it's just not being enforced.
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only nine states following the federal law. so one of the interesting questions, we've called out to all the political campaigns, everybody who's running for president, asked them to take a position on why the federal law is not being enforced. everybody's in favor of these babies, but, come on. rand paul is the head of the committee. they've had no hearings at all this year, the subcommittee on children and families. and yet all of those who are running for president have been talking about this very issue. maybe not the babies as much as the heroin and opiate epidemic as a whole. it's become a campaign trail issue, because it's so prevalent. >> and yet there's money behind this. imagine, kate, at the end of the day, nobody wants these babies to die, but in order for these babies to get the kind of care they need, there has to be social workers and others who intervene in these safe-baby plans and follow-up once these babies leave the hospital. and that seems to be the sticking point.
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so everybody can be in favor of taking care of these kids, but we need to do something specific about it. >> well, keep us posted, cynthia. hopefully there will be hearings and you'll follow-up then. thanks so much this great reporting. >> thanks so much, kate. what happens in vegas could determine the gop field tomorrow. republican presidential hopefuls prepping for the big debate there amid new polls showing a shake-up could be in the works. the citi double cash® card. it's a cash back win-win. with 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay. with two ways to earn on purchases, it makes a lot of other cards seem one-sided.
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and i like him. he's been so nice to me. i could say anything, and he said, i agree, i agree. but i think the time will come to an end pretty soon. >> trump got some good news today. a brand-new national poll shows him with his largest lead of the campaign to date, registering 41% support in a monmouth university survey. for the latest i'm joined by katy tur, kasie hunt, outside the venetian hotel in las vegas. beautiful backdrop for the debate tomorrow night. katy, i'll start with you, what is the campaign saying today? it feels like donald trump is testing out lines that he might use tomorrow night. >> the campaign is saying to expect more attack lines from donald trump against ted cruz. he's homing in on his attack lines. over the weekend he called him out for his evangelicalism, saying not very many evangelicals come from cuba. that was a not so subtle attack about cruz religious story and whether or not it's a real
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religious story. he's homing in on his attack in terms of his senate record, saying that he's a maniac in the senate and saying that he doesn't get along with anybody, nobody likes him. donald trump trying to pose himself as the great uniter in this situation. somebody who can bridge the two gaps. somebody who will be able to work with democrats and independents. somebody who who has been in negotiations before and is winning negotiations, whereas ted cruz is somebody who does not win, loses in negotiations and can't get anything done in congress. he's been light on those attacks so far. but i do expect to see him hit it harder with it tonight at his las vegas rally. when he started attacking ben carson, about a month ago, when carson was coming up in the polls, he started his attacks against him, lightly, treaded carefully to see how they would play, and then started hitting him harder. whether he'll continue to hit cruz very hard in the way he did carson, remains to be seen. rush limbaugh has come out today strongly against donald trump, strongly against the idea that
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donald trump is criticizing ted cruz for his record in the senate. so will that play well with donald trump's base? who is also the base of support that generally likes rush limbaugh. we'll have to wait and see. but my thinking is that donald trump is not very good at biting his tongue and won't be able to stay away from this. >> kasie, i get the opportunity now to mention "flash dance" and the song "maniac." because ted cruz laughed this off when trump called him a maniac. he tweeted about the song maniac. you know the one from the movie. >> don't we all? >> is he just laughing this off, or tomorrow night, if pushed, we'll hear more fire from ted cruz? >> at this point, he's taking the laugh it off strategy. and really that's what they've been trying to do in public, since these leaked comments popped up at this fund-raiser where he was heard questioning trump's judgment, whether or not trump should have his finger on
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the button. so there's a lot of risk potentially for ted cruz going after trump. his campaign knows they have to expand the number of committed conservatives. they have to re-activate republicans, caucus-goers, people who have showed up in the past, but haven't the last couple of election cycles. they're doing that by making him seem like the most conservative in the race. but they know donald trump is going to expand the electorate. their calculation, is to say, how many of the new voters do we have to activate for every new one of the trump voters? if they start to lose people who aren't necessarily committed cruz supporters to trump, that's a real risk for him in iowa. and of course at this point, so much of this entire race is resting on iowa for the ted cruz campaign, kate. >> katy, we're showing pictures of the two of them, cruz and trump, looking buddy buddy. they're going to be standing next to each other in the debate tomorrow, physically? >> they will be. you can imagine a scenario where
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donald trump will turn to ted cruz and attack him on something and then ted cruz will have no choice but to fire back. but i hesitate in predicting what donald trump is going to do in any given debate situation. for the last three debates, he hasn't been as loud as he was in the first debate. he hasn't been as front and center, even though he's front and center. he's sorted faded into the background. that's worked for him. he's come out of the debates not being the headline of the debate, but still leading in all of the polls. so whether or not donald trump will come out and be as strong as carson remains to be seen -- excuse me -- ted cruz. part of me says no, because if he's very strong against ted cruz, he risks alienating the supporters that may be a little bit more on the side of ted cruz, less on the side of his. he wants to go to his rallies where he knows he has a good base of support, where we can say negative things and get wild applause, because he knows that will play well on television cameras and across national tv
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to all sorts of supporters. >> katy and kasie, thanks so much. appreciate it. and despite his continued dominae in national polls, there's evidence donald trump has lost some steam, lost his lead to ted cruz in iowa, where voting begins, wow, can you believe it, in just 49 days. joining me now, nbc news senior political editor mark murray here with me on the set in washington. mark, let's talk about the polls. i think there was one poll, right, that shows trump still on top? >> with a big, big lead. >> in iowa. >> yeah. >> but otherwise, the trend, if you look at the last few, it doesn't looked if gr trump. >> yeah, i think the biggest we've seen is that ted cruz has been gaining a lot at ben carson's expense over the last month and a half. but in every poll, whether it's national or in iowa, it has donald trump and ted cruz, or ted cruz and donald trump. they're one and two nationally. in states, there's a new
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monmouth poll with donald trump with a big national lead, that's not what we've seen elsewhere, but these two insurgents are the ones leading the republican race right now, and whether that plays out 49 days from now is going to be fascinating. >> look at that number, 41%. and remember, all the pundits who said, there's a ceiling. he's not going to make it over a certain amount. 41 is pretty high. >> it's worth noting that our nbc/wall street journal national poll had donald trump at 27. >> huge difference. >> there's a big difference. one of the reasons why has to do with the assumptions of the electorate. our poll has a narrow screen. the polling firm says we think the people who are going to turn out to the caucuses and the primary are the same republicans who always have. monmouth and other polls have had republican, but republican-leaning independents. i'm not necessarily sure that we know those are the people going to the republican primaries and the caucus us.
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and donald trump usually does well with the republican leaning independents. >> he's bringing new people, but do they actually show up and vote, right. we got a new look at the nbc/"wall street journal" head to head against clinton. republicans up against clinton. i want to look at that. walk us through what we're seeing here. she's still doing pretty well. >> she's doing well against the republicans that are leading the contest. she leads trump by ten points, cruz by three points. rubio is up three points. again the margin of error. ben carson is up one point. but outside of the trump contest, i think all these races show it's going to be a close contest a year from now. >> going to be a fun night tomorrow night. >> i'm looking forward it to and these debates have mattered. this is, again, the last debate if you want to change someone's mind before christmas and new year's. >> mark, thank you. it's been three years since the sandy hook massacre and the
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on this date, december 14th 2012, 20 students and staff members were killed at sandy hook elementary school up in newtown, connecticut. since that date, 554 children have been killed by firearms. that's one death every other day in the three years since that
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horrific day at sandy hook, i've gotten to know some of the victims. mark barden love his 7-year-old son daniel and nicole hockly lost her 6-year-old dillon. >> three years approaching. it's three years. >> it is. >> what does that feel like, mark? >> i will tell you that my wife jackie and i still shake our heads and say, we can't believe this is happening. so for us, it's still very much a fluid process. still look around for my little daniel. >> yeah. people always say that time makes things better. it doesn't always make things better. >> no, no. time is fluid and changing. one day you can wake up and feel, i'm doing okay. and then the next day or later that same day, you're right back at day one again. and it never stays the same.
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>> after everything happened, there was this viral campaign, 26 acts of kindness. >> yes. >> and it's still going, right? so there are schools and students and communities this year who are organizing acts of kindness all about just spreading kindness. that has to make you feel good. >> oh, absolutely. >> it does. but, you know, it needs a lot more than 26 acts of kindness. you need daily acts of kindness. this is about a way of behaving that we need to just make as part of our normal way of being. to bring focus to it is incredibly important, but it's about the daily acts of kindness. >> right. >> that will make a difference. >> yeah, it's about a cultural change. it really is. nicole mentioned, you know, shifting attitudes and behaviors and that's really what we need to do, start at that level and effect a cultural change. >> your two families will go away for the date, for the 14th.
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>> yeah. >> i have to say, my family feels -- we have a very small family, i don't have brothers and sisters. jake's an old child now. and the barden family is massive. there's always tons of family members around. and the bardens have truly embraced us and brought us in and we lean on each other. >> you have brothers and sisters now. >> absolutely. and that's important. >> do you mark the day in any way, or is it just another day? >> grind your teeth, hug your kids, get through it. >> yeah, we've marked it in different ways in the past. the first year, we threw sea shells into the ocean. we'd written a note and a name on each one. i don't know what we're going to do this year. but it's about remembering our
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children, those that we've lost, and focusing on the ones we at least still have. and also remembering everyone else who's been lost and the beauty that's been lost along the way and then resolving our commitment to make change and make everything as better as we can. >> how do you want all of the rest of us to mark that december 14th? >> think about it. you know, if you have the strength, go there. go to that dark place and know that you have the power to make change. and talk about it. raise awareness. >> and, you know, continue those acts of kindness, embrace your children tightly. every day is precious, and you never know what tomorrow's going to bring. >> my thanks to mark barden and nicole hockly. now here's hampton pearson with the cnbc market wrap. >> hello, kate.
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the faa just announced new regulations for recreational drones, requiring them to be registered in a national database. the new program launches next week. for more on this, joining me by phone from reagan national airport is nbc's tom costello, who covers aviation and drones for us. tom, christmas next week, is that a coincidence? >> no, not at all.
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the idea here is that they wanted to try to have some procedures in place before christmas, that would essentially say, if you're going to get a drone, and by the way, they're expecting 400,000 of them to be given as gifts over the holidays. if you're going to give a drone or get a drone over the course of the holidays, you have to register it. and you have to register every drone that's already out there. they've had so many close calls with drones invading restricted air airspace, in front of airplanes, or airports, even on the white house lawn, at the u.s. open, they've crashed. they decided they needed to be registered, so when one does crash, or there's a close call and they recover the drone, they can trace the drone to a person. they're not asking for any more personal information than name, address, and e-mail address, nope social security, nothing like that. they just want to be able to track drones to the right owners. and really, kate, this is about
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educating the public, most of whom are not knowledgeable about the rules of flying drones. >> is it like registering your car, like i register my car through the dmv online, is it that kind of thing? >> easier than that. you go online, type in the cereal number of the drone, provide your name, address, and e-mail, and you're done. so the real goal is to say to folks, if you're going to have a drone, you cannot fly above 400 feet, cannot be within 5 miles of an airport. has to maintain line of sight. really the basic rules of the road or rules of the air, if you will, for drones. >> tom costello out of reagan national airport, tom, thanks so much. >> you bet. >> and for more on how that might affect holiday wish lists, i'm joined by olivia sterns. this has got to be one of the hottest items of the season. >> it is, indeed.
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you heard tom, 400,000 drones are expected to be given out for christmas, 700,000 in total this year, kate. a 63% increase over last year. clearly one of the hottest items you can give or get this christmas. if you do get a drone before december 21st, you need to register. if after december 21, you need to register that drone before its first flight. there will be a $5 fee to register your drone. they'll wave the charge if you register it between december 21st and january 20th. because they're trying to encourage people to sign up. that will be refunded through the credit card transaction. drones from the $40 stocking stuffer quad copter, all the way up to the thousand dollar drones, that are much more sophisticated. we keep saying the two most popular things you can get for
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christmas, "star wars" and drones, why not just get a "star wars" drone? it's a millennium falcon drone. >> oh, boy. >> there you go. >> well, the other day i said my kids would not get hover boards, but the millennium falcon drone is quite a possibility. >> i hope they're not watching. >> yeah, turn the tv off. olivia, thanks so much. that's going to do it for this hour of msnbc live. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" starts right now. >> if it's monday, economic anxiety drove the public's mood for most of 2015, but now, to quote our pollster, that has abruptly changed to fear. brand-new numbers coming at you. this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now. ♪ >> good evening from new york. i'm steve

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