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him. he gets 30 seconds to whack them. don't forget to join us at 11:00 p.m. on eastern i'll be back with two hours coverage with all the highlight, all the good stuff. all the low lights, too. and number analysis of the candidate's performances. who is coming out toornlt? at "all in" with chris hayes. >> tonight on 80 all in. >> look at all those press. >> fear and voting in las vegas. >> this selection is about the essence of america. about all of us who feel out of place in our own country. >> tonight as campaign chaos gives way to the last republican debate of 2015. is there anyone who can do anything to slow donald trump? plus the final democratic word before the republican fight. >> we can fought give in to fear. bluster and bigotry are not credentials for becoming commander-in-chief. >> then, school shutdown.
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why new york and l.a. had two completely different reactions to two nearly identical threats? >> there was nothing credible about the threat. >> and back to baltimore. what today's deadlocked jury means for the first trial in the freddie gray case. a "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. the fifth republican presidential debate t. final gop debate of the year is set to begin if about an hour at the venetian hotel in las vegas. there will be nine candidates on stage, front runner donald trump at center stage. four additional candidates participated in a separate debate earlier in the evening. outside, protesters amassed early in the day with signs opposing hateful rhetoric. inside, the candidates and the media prepare for the first gop debate since the terrorist attacks in paris and san bernardino that have at least as
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of now reshaped the presidential race. in a new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll -- plus, there is a huge partisan split here. 48% of republican primary voters. a majority cite national security and over the past few weeks, a per vaativvasive air o infected much of the media. there is no clear indication on the tangible effects of the cause of that and what happened today in the second largest school district in the country. this morning, officials closed the entire los angeles public school system. a decision that affected more than 640,000 students along with tear families, in response to an
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e-mailed bomb threat they deemed credible. >> it was not to one school, two schools, or three schools. it was many schools. not specifically identified, but there were many schools. that's the reason i took the action that i did. i am not taking the chance of bringing children any place into any part of the building until i know it's safe. >> police administrators spent the day searching the 900 plus schools in the district going building to gild building, turned up nothing. in new york city, they received a similar threat and decided it was a hoax. >> this is not a credible threat. it is not something we are concerned with. what we would be concerned with is overreacting to it. we will stay aware. we will stay involved. but we at all costs cannot start to overreacting to a series of
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copycat type initiatives. >> in the paris attacks, there was speculation that gop voters would look to the republican candidates with the maturity and experience to make wale real presidential decisions. >> that eliminates donald trump. instead, republican primary voters have been rallying around trump, who has gotten huge cheers around strategy for isis that says i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. republicans support for trump has risen from 25% all the way up to 33%, an 8-point spike. in a climate of fear, it is not the quote/unquote serious primary candidates voters are turning to. rather a candidate that offers bombastic proclamations of toughness, calls for killing the families of alleged terrorists, including women and children. he seeks to keep all muslims out of the country, at least he says temporarily. >> that is what the other presidential hopefuls will be doing their best to emulate on that debate stage tonight.
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joining me jennifer granholm, correct the record and governor you are a politician. and you understand the power that fear can have among the populous. how do you combat it? how do you respond to it? how do you speak to it in a way that is clear eyed and sober and responsive but doesn't jing people up? >> well, actually, chris, i think hillary clinton did that today. she was in minnesota. she gave a great speech. in that speech, she directly responded to this. in fact, if i can quote her, she said, we cannot give into fear. we cannot let fear push us into reckless action that make us less same. we must be open hearted. we must celebrate american diversity, not fear it. she's responding, of course, directly as you have alluded to, to donald trump. who is not only the biggest
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recruiter potentially for isis, with the hateful language that he's made. he's not only potentially alienating our allies, our muslim ilies, who we want to be more involved in this fight against isis, but if anybody saw last night at a rally here in las vegas, donald trump's supporters, i mean, he's basically stoking cattle prodding his supporters into fear and hate. and when there was a black lives matter protester at his rally, that protestor was goaded. in fact, his supporters, donald trump's supporters said things like let's set the mf on fire. he's a muslim. shoot him. i know you can't be responsible crazy people at rallies do. sometimes it's totally out of your control. unfortunately, these incidents at donald trump's rallies are becomening more and more frequent. >> that is not worthy of america. >> that is not leadership. >> here's something that has
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haunted me ever since bill clinton says it in 2002. there are certain aspects of the current political agenda you call to mind. bill clinton said in 2002 when democrats were trying to kind of find their retorical footing on foreign policy specifically. take a listen. >> we've got to be strong when we look week in a time when people look insecure, we loads it. when people feel certain, they'd rather have somebody strong and week weak and right. >> is he right people want somebody strong and wrong? >> well, i think they want people who are strong, certainly, not strong and wrong and so wrong that you end up endangering the very citizens who you are asking to elect you. >> that is what donald trump is doing. remember, teddy roosevelt said, speak softly, carry a big stick. these guys are blustering,
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speaking loudly. they are endangering the country. compare that with president obama who didn't say a word, for example, before osama bin laden was taken out. but he carried a big stick. so i think there is a different strategy here. i think hillary clinton has got the right one. >> let me ask you this, because the mood of this country discuss, to me, feel much like 2002, 2003, one of the things happen, people make decisions that they later come to rejett get. one is hillary clinton's iraq war. she has to her great ved credit said that was a wrong decision, but there is a real sort of judgment question, right, if the country is wrapped up in this moment of fear, whether you can trust that a politician is going to essentially buck the trend and do what's in the best long-term strategic interest of the country? >> yeah, i think that's a very good point. >> that you may feel carried along with the wake of emotion and do something that ends up being harmful. but you recall, also, in the
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wake of 9/11 the ethos that george bush said we need to be united. not divide. when you pit americans against americans, you are not acting like a leader. when you bring us together to fight a common enemy and bring our allies into the fold rather than insulting them. >> that is the sign of a true leader. >> jennifer granholm, thank you very much. >> joining me pollster and brilliant research and strategy, kornell, here's my question about the cross tabs on this polling on terrorism. right. here's the part san split. is national security/terrorism top priority? 58% republicans say yes. 26% of democrats say yes. so my question, is this a way of saying i don't above of barack obama? or are there different levels of
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concern about this quote threat among different partisans? >> i think there is a different level of threat and concern that's spread along partisanship. if you look at i think it was the "new york times" poll a couple days ago, also, you saw that 40% of republicans were both dissatisfied and angry, which is basically double what democrats were and a lot more than what independents said and if you look at, i think the washington post poll today ahead with 61% of republicans very, you know, very likely that we have another terrorist attack soon. republicans are in a different place than the rest of the country. also, that's a place that the party are driving them. republicans do very well as a ruleer strong man brandened party and a different atmosphere that absolutely benefits republicans broadly, although you see the base of their republican party, very much in this fear and anger space, which, by the way, is a perfect
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storm for a candidate like donald trump. >> the other question i have is how durable these effects are of these shocks on the system like the paris attacks, like the san bernardino attacks. it makes certain sense. there is a certain rationality. we seen these two terrible attack, horrible mass murders. the paris one particularly when planned and terrifying in how logistically complex it was in a bunch of co-conspirators. what do we know about how long that kind of sense of pervasive threat will continue in a voting public? >> it's as long as they're successful at driving it. i mean, let's be clear. i saw a lot of the democrats lozano in the face of the terrorism stuff coming out in 2000 after george bush sort of used it front and center.
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max cleland comes to mind first. someone who left half his ba body on the battlefield, lost in the face of this sort of thing. so as long as they drive it and certainly their basis is revved up for it, and, frankly, it's problemattic for the other republicans in the debate tonight because donald trump oddly enough has a double-digit lead over most of the field on dealing with terrorism. so, the conversation right now is benefiting the republican party and the conversation, in particular, is benefiting donald trump. now, if we go into the general election where the top issue is not economics and a top issue as far as terrorism, it's a better environment for republicans. >> you know, what you said about trump there is also interesting. because i've watched as republican after republican has donned on them. they first thought, oh, great, terrorism, now security, foreign policy, i got this. i'm the best briefed on this, i have experience. i served in all these roles.
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they have watched as the fear let out of the bottle has sort of come back to haunt them. right? it turns out folks aren't really looking for a real ten-point plans and sophisticated analysis. they want someone who will say i want to bomb the bleep out of them. >> right. the simple answer wins out here. and i keep listening to all these professionals talk about, you know, his ceiling. there is no ceiling on fear and xenophobia in this country. >> kornell belcher. thank you for that. >> thank you. >> i should mention before i move on to something else, i understand why people are afraid. what happened in paris and san bernardino is genuinely upsetting and terrifying. anyway, we are monitoring breaking news out of tennessee, where southwest airlines flight 21 traveling from houston airport just split off a taxiway at nashville international airport heading to its gate.
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southwest says all 133 passenger and five crew are safely off the plane. a local fire department took three people to a nearby hospital with minor injuries. right now the train is sitting in the grass by the taxiway. no word yet on exactly what happened. still to come as jennifer land holm alluded to, a nazi salute shoutt out from the crowd. >> that happened as protester was removed from the trump rally a. reporter caught it on camera next. plus the entire los angeles school district closes after receiving a threat. how they made that decision and how new york having received a similar threat today stayed opened. later all this caused paranoia and violent rhetoric will play out in tonight's gop debate. those stories and more ahead. [ coughing ] [ sneezing ] a cold can make you miserable. luckily, alka seltzer plus cold and cough liquid gels. rush liquid fast relief to your tough cold symptoms. fast, powerful liquid gels from alka seltzer plus
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thing he cannot do, declare war on israeli itself. like the king of jordan and the president of egypt, i am sorry he does not represent us. >> the debate stage earlier, senior lindsey graham attempted to place himself apart from trump. despite trumps proposal has not hurt his poll numbers. 43% of democrats and 76% of republicans in a survey out last month saying it's incompatible with american values. we have been bringing you occasional stories of harassment and assaults targeting muslims in this country. but it's worth compiling major incidents since the san bernardino attack on december 2nd. two days later in florida, the islamic center palm beach vandalize, half the furniture inside overturned. >> that same day the st. louis branch on the count sim of american islamic relations received threatening phone messages from a man that said
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he'd chop off muslims head if they came to his home. a man in queens said a man reportedly yelled "i kill muslims." a next day a woman in california threw hot coffee at a group of people praying in a park. >> you are very distinct. your mind has been taken over, brainwashed. you have nothing but hate. nothing but hate. >> elsewhere in california on that same day, a sikh temple was vand amized with graffiti representing isis. on december 8th, the severed head of a pig considered unclean in islam was thrown at a mosque in philadelphia. >> that same day, a somali restaurant was fire bombed after being spray-painted with nazi ss symbols. on december 10th the council on islamic headquarters in washington lad to evacuate after receiving a threatening letter filled with white pout powder which turned out to be harmless. >> that same day, police began
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in texas, families had rocks thrown through their windows. on december 11th, a southern california mosque was set on fire. the suspected perpetrator has been charged with five felonies, including arson and commission of a hate crime. elsewhere in california, two days ago, vandals spray-painted two mosque with the words jesus and left a replica of a hand grenade in the driveway. >> that list is not comprehensive. if you want a sense, look no further than the collective social id known as google search. two academics writing the "new york times" did just that, creating a koerlgs between hate crimes n. san bernardino, there were 3600 searches in the united states for "i hate muslims" and "kill muslims." last night hate bubld over at a trump rally in vegas.
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last night donald trump protesters yu set a rally. we have been chronicleing all the incidents of violence against protesters that have occurred at trump events, including one carried out by trump's own body guard who cocked a demonstrator. trump himself seemed to condone when asked the following day. >> i had 10,000 people in the room. and this guy started screaming, by himself, and i don't know, rough up. maybe he should have been roughed up. it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.
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>> since then, the trump campaign has apparently tried to reign in the attendees at his events, informing them of the correct way to handle protesters in a rally in iowa last friday. >> if a protester starts demonstrating in the area around you, please do not touch or harm the protester. this is a peaceful rally. in order to notify the law enforcement officers of the location of the protester. please hold a rally sign over your head and start chanting, trump, trump, trump. >> last night in las vegas, after protesters interrupted several times, some attendees started screaming and shoving. one heckler was taken away, one person could be heard saying, kick his bleep pleep, light him on fire and someone fired a nazi salute. >> that was sig heil.
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so, for people that weren't there or trying to kind of make sense of blurry iphone footage, what did it feel like in the room at that moment? >> reporter: well, chris, i have been to a variety of trump events in the past. none of them have felt anything like this. the amount of intensity and rage that appeared just from zero to 11 as soon as protesters started making noise was honestly frightening. the senior scene there was seconds after that protester started yelling about gun control. you already saw this onslaught of violent rhetoric. it started at one point to escalate towards physical contact. there is one audience member who shoved a protester. but it never quite boiled over in that direction, thank
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goodness. but it is very scary. there was a lot of raw pure uncut rage going on. and this is not something i have felt at previous trump rally, which often feel more, you know, however you feel about trump, like entertainment, people having a good time. even people that don't agree with trump. this was different. >> so you are the one that caught the sig he eil, which made a lot of news. not every day you hear that shoulted at an american political rally. at least on a main stream event. do you know who said that? we don't know who this person is or what could possibly motivate someone to say that? >> reporter: well, chris, let's be fair about a couple things here. i do not know who that person was. like you said, we don't know what's motivating them. obviously, it's not impossible they were saying it, lest say, ironically. >> right. >> my impression was this was a large older aged white man. he looked very, very upset.
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i put it enrajd. he just took a full breath and bell lowed sig heil. he didn't seem sympathetic the protesters. but i can't fully tell you what he meant. >> that's not something you hear all the time was your sense of the folks there, there is not a lot of management, partly because secret service has their own rules. secret service has now be been staffed to donald trump. certain candidates get secret service very early. he is one of them. how much are you able to interact with the folks who are attending these rallies? >> reporter: well, chris, i was mingleing with the crowd talking to some trump supporters before, but here's the thing, i was sort of breaking the rules by doing that. trump has been trying to contain the reporters to a pen, a media pen, in which they can observe the event, not leave, not be in the krouchltd and i have a feeling these protests are outbursts and the reaction may
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have to do with that strategy. i am not a daily trump reporter. i don't 52 to worry about access the people follow him every day do. frankly, i showed up a little late. so i didn't have a media sign-in table. so it's easy to walk in with the crowd. but there were really only a handful of reporters in the crowd as a result. it was mostly national reporters like me who don't necessarily cover trump every day and don't have those concerns. but you see just from these videos, how important it is to have people out there because it can get, this is obviously a story. ro testers are treated and how the crowd reacts. it's important to have eyes on it. >> in the spin room. >> it's become a deadlocked jury, what this means for the first trial in the death of freddie gray. of the five trials still to come. come. stay with us.
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tonight the jury in the trial of the death of fred city gray is deadlocked. they were ordered by the judge to deliberate. they finished up two hours later still deadlocked. officer porter is charged with manslaughter, reckless assault, reckless endangerment, for
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failure to secure gray in a seatbelt and failure to call a medic. the prosecution argues rises to the level of criminal neglect. he has pled not guilty on all charges. if convicted on all charges, porter could face up to 25 years in jail. but this is important. if the jury continues to be deadlocked, meaning they cannot reach a unanimous verdict on one or all of the charges the judge can declare a mistrial. >> that possibility adds yet another element of uncertainty to a trial that already has baltimore on edge. earlier today, democratic congressman elijah cummings urged residents to accept whatever outcome, whatever it may be. >> as personal as the porter verdict will be for the families of mr. freddie gray and officer william porter, and as emotionally satisfying horsdevour or devastating.
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the future of our community will not defined at the moment of the verdict. but it will be defined in the days and years that follow. >> meanwhile, maryland's governor questioned why there haven't been more protests in response to the surge in violence in baltimore. >> crime is out of control in baltimore city. we have to do something about i. i expressed my concern, we have a lot of people expressing tear concern and frustration over the tragic death of freddie gray. where is the uproar from the community? where are the people protesting the 330 people murdered? >> a baltimore city councilman responded by treating a picture with the anti-muslim march. from 10 north, april 17th. people in patriot more work every day to deal with violence here. baltimore prepares to deal with the outcome of the death of freddie gray. the deadlocked jury prepares to
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return their deliberations tomorrow morning. a criminal defense attorney who has represented police officers in the past. my understanding is you have been in that courtroom. you have been watching that trial unfold. let's start with what the kind of standard, what does the prosecution have to prove in order to get a conviction here? >> reporter: well, good evening, first of all, good to be with you. first of all, it depends on what charges, obviously the most serious charge is the involuntary manslaughter. as relates to that, the state has to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that officer porter, like any defendant, acted in a gross, grossly disregard for the welfare and human life of freddie gray. the other charges that are less serious, include misconduct in office, second degree assault and reckless endangerment. >> so here's my question. when we get to the lesser charges, particularly, if the prosecution can establish in the minds of the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that two things
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happened, officer porter did not buckle in gray and that he was, gray asked for medical help and officer porter did not provide it. if those two things can be established, regardless of intent, is there enough there to convict on any of the charges? >> yes. so that's the problem i think the state has right now. the defense as we all know has no obligation whatsoever to present a defense. >> right. >> we saw, obviously, is not only did they present a defense, it was a very compelling defense. they very clearly and were very compelling in their presentation on behalf of officer porter. specifically, they called a number of medical experts to rebut the state's medical experts, indicating that, hey, it wouldn't have mattered how quickly medical help was called for freddie gray. because the jury to the spinal cord was so catastrophic, paralysis occurred in milliseconds. as relates to the seatbelt issue, a number of expert
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witnesses were called. witnesses on behalf of the defense that is to testify that the policy, custom and common procedure within the baltimore city police department was not to restrain people, prisoners in the back of a transport wagon. so the defense really did present, you know, a good case. they didn't have to. i think it's going to be quite difficult. i think, for the jury to unanimously come to a verdict whereby they convict officer porter. >> so there's four charges, other people dade rather good job as well. in this case, you have to prove essentially the omission of one, not buckling him in. given that there is four charges, given that we're seeing the possibility of a hung jury or a mistrial, what were the ramifications to be a mistrial? >> well, as we've come to learn,
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the state very much wants to use officer porter's technical, that is prior statements to the internal affairs division when the case is investigated. he also, of course, testified in his own defense. what the state wants to do, chris, present officer porter as a states witness in the case against officer goodson. so, officer goodson next in line. he's on deck. if this is a mistrial. the state will have a real problem. at that point in time, officer porter is very much going to still have a fifth amendment privilege to not testify against himself. the state cannot compel him, because he's going to be pending trial. so what's going to happen is, officer goodson, skroould scheduled for trial january 6th. he's going to go. i can't fathom under any
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circumstance, the presiding judge, will fault goodson or any co-defendant down the road so officer porter can testify, obviously, this judge is not going to do anything to appease the state to make it easier -- >> officer goodson is the one facing the stiffer charges, many people believe the state is looking to build a case against him. they could find themselves in a situation in which they are lacking the testimony they were hoping to have in this trial in trying to get the conviction against officer goodson who the state has brought, if i'm not mistaken the most serious offense. >> that's correct. officer goodson is charged with second degree murder. the idea being that since he was the driver of the transport wagon the theory goes on behalf of the state that officer goodson is most responsible for the care and custody of any prisoner, to include restraining prisoners of forces have as well to provide immediate medical attention when it's needed. so if officer porter is not available to testify because he does, in fact, invoke that
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privilege to remain silent. that's a real problem to see. because they really need porter. they in as much said that during the motions hearing. >> all right. thanks for joining us. really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> all right, still ahead the matchups for tonight's debate the changing dynamics for the candidates as they prepare to take the main stage coming up. .
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. >> i now announce, conclude, and tell you and tell the community, that we believe that our schools are safe and we can re-open schools in los angeles unified school district tomorrow morning. >> los angeles authorities just held a press conference after a day in which a threat to an entire school system was handled very differently there than it was here in new york, where schools were also threatened. authorities in l.a. now say all the schools have been checked an concluded schools are safe. but a little before 7:00 a.m. pacific time today the entire
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l.a. school system, 900 schools serving 650,000 students were shut down because of a threat in the form of an e-mail sent to a school board member. >> i think it is important that i take the precaution based on what has happened recently and what has happened in the past. >> the threat mentioned several schools as targets, without naming specific ones. we were told at the time. l.a. authorities said they were acting out of an abundance of caution. particularly in light of the attack in san bernardino, 60 miles from l.a. but a little more than an hour later, the new york police department tweeted, just in, there was a specific but non-capital letters, credible threat, made to new york city schools this morning. >> the police commissioner in new york says that they received the same threat. they determined it not to be credible and they are investigating it as a hoax.
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he says, for example, it makes references to aallah, but the a isn't capitalized. >> soon after, they held a press conference clearly criticizing the decision made in l.a. >> this was a very generic piece of writing sent to a number of different places simultaneously and also written in a fashion that suggests that it's not plausible. it's important, very important not to overreact in situations like this. >> we do have an investigation under way. but it's an investigation into a hoax. >> bratton reiterated that in the e-mail threat. allah, not spelled with a capital a says his department's decision is held with the task force and fbi. bratton says los angeles made its decision locally, something l.a. authorities did not dispute when they held their own press conference, a bit on the
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defensive. >> i made the decision to close the schools. that was after talking to the chief deputy superintendent, the chief of police of the school police, and after they reviewed with me the information that had been shared with them. >> the decision to close the schools is not mine to make, but it is mine to support as mayor of the city of los angeles. it is also very easy to criticize a decision when you have no responsibility for the outcome of that decision. >> now, a similarly worded e-mails were written by someone claiming to be a senior and bully and radical muslim, not capitalizing allah, the e-mails specify both bombs and firearms. according to justice correspondent pete williams, new york authorities felt it was phony, because the same person could not be a student at two places at once. there are indications e-mails can be traced to an e-mail
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service provider in the u.s. popular with pranksters. l.a. schoolsre are set to reope tomorrow.
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>>. >> donald trump and his policy on muslims, is the gop undercard. gorge pataki also gave him a promotion. >> we have suggested mr. trump's plan is unamerican and absurd, why? >> absolutely. it's one of many absurd things this president has said. >> did you catch that? so did donald trump, who retweeted, donald trump, pataki just called you this president, to which trump added, i don't want his endorsement. coming up, we'll preview the matchups in th e mean stage debate which hasn't yet started. that's next. >>
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>>. >> with the early debate over, the nine remaining republican candidates are gathering for the main event in slaegs. first donald trump and ted cruz, these are your two leaders in the republican race at this
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moment. trump's lead in the national polls has expanded in the last few weeks. a new washington post abc news poll, trump is up 6 points from last month. his support from gop primary voters is 28%. 23 ahead of ted cruz. with less than 50 days, it's cruz who surged to a ten-point lead in a recent poll of caucus goers. marco rubio is getting attention for a new ad that appeals to supporters of trump and cruz. people that feel disaffected, let's say, from american politics. >> this selection is from the essence of america. about all of us that feel out of place in our own country. a government incredibly out of touch and millions branded bigots and haters. this is about wages growing slower than the cost of living. a generation drowning in debt and a president humiliated by
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putin, iran and islamic jihadists. i'm marco rubio. i approve this, this is the greatest country in the world and acting like it. >> it's interesting. see if there is anything third tier candidates can do to capture enough attention to get back in the race. frevens, remember rand paul? or chris christie also former future of the gop. what are they getting up to these days? these days? we'll talk about that next.e.
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>> joining me now reverend tony suarez, director of the hispanic leadership conference. there in the lovely venetian in the palazzo, enjoying the hospitality house has to offer. let me begin with you. there you are a part of a meeting i believe of other prominent religious leaders talking about the state of this race. how are you feeling about how things have been going? >> we, it's been an exciting race. there is a diversity, latino, there is a lot of hope and expectation in the race. see at the same time there is expectation and hope, there was troubled messages we received yesterday as well. >> let me ask you this, marco
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rubio people call him an establishment, there has been endorsements flown his way. he has done decently at the polls. he has yet to be debating his position on immigration and comprehensive immigration reform is. do you feel satisfied, you know what he actually believes and thinks? >> senator rubio has been a friend that senator rodriguez worked with and talked to. we believe we know where he stands. he embraces what he voted for with the gang of eight within they passed that bill. >> i want to stop you right there. if that's true, that's news, right? he has repeatedly said he has abandoned it. he does not believe in it anymore. he does not believe in a path to citizenship. which was included in that bill you think when he is saying that, he is not telling the truth? >> when we spoke to his senior campaign yesterday. i pressed and asked that
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question, he said in no means does he stand for the bill and he continues to be a champion for immigration reform. >> well, that's interesting. >> that might be an interesting thing to hear, charlie. do you think that, what duping of this dynamic, people gamed out. basically, ted cruz is oddious to most of the republican leadership class. everybody in the senate basically hates him. the elected officials and donor class dislikes him. although, he has huge donors on his side as well. the threat of trump makes him suddenly palatable. he can pull off this trianythinglatitrianythin triangulation. >> it will be very interesting tonight. as we saw from the undercard, this is going to be the most
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blood thirsty debate since arguing about the war of 1812. cruz will be the isolationist tonight. lindsey frame and those guys already put him there so if he can withstand it, i don't think he will get it from trump. he will get it from jeb bush or chris christie. if donald trump continues to be as strange as he has been. if he can be strange enough to make ted cruz palatable. >> that is a reverse am of a physical law. >> mr. suarez, i'm curious about your sense of the rhetoric in this race has been like as a christian leader. as a man of faith. when you hear about, say, bank people that have a specific faith for a period of time, does that concern you? >> absolutely. i want to read a short quote from the president of the national hispanic christian leadership conference, sam reasonable doubt guess, where
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his message to every candidate is that we are to be light. >> that as what's described in the statue of liberty, i lift my lamp at the golden door. no elected official or branch of government carries the authority to extinguish the light. we are to be a freedom to jew, muslims and christians. our concern has been and our concerns in our meeting yesterday with senator cruz was that for the first time, not only will he support a path to citizenship. he will not support a pathway to legalization. this is very alarming. and we need clarification this will not be the position he takes. this is someone angel cals stand with on life and religious liberty when other candidates called for the bank of all muslims coming into the country, senator cruz was one of the first to raise his voice and say we can't discriminate based on religion.
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>> ted cruz didn't say that. ted cruz said that's not my policy. he didn't say, we can't discriminate. >> yeah. again as we've met with him. he said we can't block people from coming into the country based on religion alone. but what we heard yesterday that there would be no pathway to legalization. it's de ja vu in the days of the mitt romney campaign. you cannot win the general election and have a stance like that. >> mr. war is evidence said something about light, being a beacon of light. reagan in america. city on a hymn. i am struck how unremitingly dark the entire rhetoric of the republican field has been so far. >> oh, it's extraordinary. it started. i mean, to me, it really went, you know into the twilight zone in the holy ebola thing. we were hearing of immigrants
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with loads of diseases coming over the border. now we have the two attack, less than two months, and the total freakout in l.a. today. yeah, it's a gloomy party. i think. okay. i think marco rubio will go down in history as a great loss opportunity. i really do. >> i think he could have been a different one. >> thank you both. >> that is all this evening. the "rachel maddow" show starts right now. >> thank you for being with us this hour. this were afternoon, former secretary of state and presidential candidate hillary clinton was set to give a speech on isis and homeland security in minnesota, the speech was scheduled for 3:45 this afternoon. but uncharacteristically for hillary clinton, she was really late. she didn't get to the stage until more than an hour after her speech was supposed to start. her operation is a well o

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