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longer. >> words i never thought i would utter. i would like to hear more from lindsey graham on the big stanl. >> me too. >> what time is it? >> it appears to be time for "morning joe." please stick around because "msnbc live" is up next. it's going to be fun today. you're going to enjoy it. thank you so much and god bless you. good morning. i'm josé díaz-balart. right now on "msnbc live," sparring on the strip. terrorism, national security dominated the last republican debate before the election year begins. over the course of two hours. candidates made their case to voters in a race that's getting down to the wire, on the polls in on the calendar. marco rubio took shots at ted cruz, and we saw the most aggressive performance by jeb bush to date. donald trump said the whole thing felt like the academy awards. did anyone go with home with the
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prize? peter alexander up this morning early in las vegas. peter, good morning. >> hey, josé. good morning. this was significantly the first republican debate since both paris and san bernardino. in fact, the commander in chief debate with all the contenders trying to cast themselves as best qualified to keep americans safe. jeb bush finally found his voice against donald trump, but many people ask if it's too little, too late. and marco rubio and ted cruz certainly mixed things up. fight night in vegas. jeb bush flailing in the polls taking the gloves off against donald trump. >> so donald, you know, is great at the one-liners. but he is a chaos candidate. and he would be a chaos president. >> he has failed in this campaign. it's been a total disaster. nobody cares. >> trump's reactions alone priceless. bush argued trump isn't a serious candidate. >> i won't get my information from the shows. i don't know if that's saturday morning or sunday morning. i don't know which one.
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this is a tough business to run for president. >> you're a tough guy, jeb, i know. >> we need a leader that is -- >> you're tough. >> you're never going to be president of the united states by insulting your way to the president. >> i am at 42 and you're at 3. so far i'm doing better. >> doesn't matter. >> you started over here, jeb. you're moving over further and further. pretty soon you'll be off the end. >> trump earned points reaffirming he won't run as an independent. >> i am totally committed to the republican party. i feel very honored to be the frontrunner. and i think i'll do very well. >> ted cruz and marco rubio, a pair of ambitious freshmen senators, exchanged blows on a series of hot button issues from defense spending. >> you can't carpet bomb if you don't have planes and bombs. >> he was fighting to grant amnesty and not to secure the border. i was fighting to secure the border. >> anticipated fireworks between trump and his chief challenger ted cruz never materialized. >> i have gotten to know him.
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he has a wonderful temperament. he's just fine. don't worry about it. >> we will build a wall that works and i'll get trump to pay for it. >> rand paul jabbed chris christie over the bridge-gate scandal. >> i think when we think about the judgment of someone who might want world war iii, we might think about someone who might shut down a bridge because they don't like their friends. >> christie who impressed as a commander in chief directed his sharpest attacks at obama's foreign policy. >> yes we'd shoot down the planes of russian pilots if they were stupid enough to think that this president was the same feckless weakling that the president we have in the oval office is right now. >> ben carson, battling to res rukt his campaign wouldn't answer when asked to pick sides in a spat between paul and rubio over surveillance. >> i think you have to ask them about that. i don't want to get in between them. let them fight. >> the bottom line, i think,
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most analysts agree to this. is that nothing that happened last night dramatically changes the trajectory of the race. in effect, much like the temperature in vegas, the race remains frozen through the holidays with donald trump at number one and ted cruz at number two. two january debates to go before the iowa caucuses. josé. >> nbc's peter alexander. thank you. bringing in form rp white house communications director for george w. bush, nicolle wallace. and nbc news political director and moderator of "meet the press" chuck todd and steve kornacki. chuck, did this debate do anything to change the status quo at least at the top of the pack? >> if you're talking cruz and trump, not really. they had a bit of a bromance last night. when you look at sort of the third lane here, trump has his own lane and cruz is becoming the evangelical. the establishment lane where rubio is sort of the candidate on the rise, he took incoming last night. i think he handled himself well
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doing it. we were reminded he has got probably the wrong stance on immigration to -- for where this republican party is. he may be able to overcome it, but he'll have to. jeb bush had his moment with trump and chris christie had moments. the establishment lane got more crowded. that would be the one part of this that shook up. the top of the polls, cruz and trump one and two through the holiday break but there is a jumble now. christie could make a move -- the christie movement in new hampshire could be solidified. jeb bush showed life. and rubio showed some weakness on immigration. you could see that establishment lane getting a little crowded and a little shaken up. >> in talking about immigration, there was a lot of talk about immigration. i mean, let's listen to some of it. >> ten years in that probationary status where all they have a is work permit i'm open to allow people to apply for a green card. it may not be a majority position in my party.
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it's down the road. >> there was a time for choosing where there was a battle over amnesty. some chose like senator rubio to stand with barack obama and chuck schumer and support a massive amnesty plan. >> does ted cruz rule out ever legalizing people in this country illegally now? do you rule it out. >> i have never supported legalization and i do not intend to support legalization. >> so nicolle, let's talk about this. it was interesting to see ted cruz, who did present amendments to that gang of eight bill but was willing to, if those amendments were included, support it. that gang of eight bill, in the final analysis, did give a pathway to citizenship for the undocumented. how did you read that? >> well, just listening to you recite the intricacies of the debate that's actually taking place between cruz and rubio, i thought chris christie had one of the better moments of the evening when he talked about how all you do in the senate is
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debate policy. when you are a governor you actually make laws that affect people's lives. back to immigration, i think rubio, while this may be a difficult burden to carry in a primary, i think what makes him so threatening to hillary clinton is his effort -- he did not succeed, but having made the effort on comprehensive immigration reform, sets him apart in a stunningly good way for a general election. he might be -- he and jeb bush are probably the only people left in the republican field who wouldn't offend a large and vital and important part of the republican party. george bush got 44% of the electoral vote. no one has come close since then. so i think that we have to be careful not to be held too hostage to the moment. because in the primary, yes, ted cruz can say just about anything to make something look bad in the moment. but in a general election it's going to be important to have not alienated this large part of the voting constituency in this
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country. >> nicolle, this is for another day conversation, but the fact that marco rubio was part of that gang of eight and then walked away from it and said that a comprehensive immigration reform bill like the one that he had helped to craft and pass in the senate was not going to be possible in the future, that i think in a general election will come back to haunt him. he is going to have to be much more specific. he started i guess yesterday. but steve, the headlines this morning say that marco rubio won along general election republicans but lost among republican primary voters. what do you think of that? >> yeah. i think there is the possibility there for rubio, if he is the nominee, you can see how he would pivot towards the general election on an issue like immigration in a way that mitt romney wasn't able to in 2012, a way that a lot of the other republican candidates wouldn't be able to. when you look at one of the challenges republicans face trying to win in 2016, trying to improve with groups they performed poorly with in 2012, you think having a more moderate stance and tone on immigration as being a key part of that.
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you could see how rubio, especially based on what he said last night, could pivot to a general election audience more effectively. one of the problems for rubio, though, is this idea that he is the most electable of the republican candidates, that he would fare the best against hillary clinton, that he's best positioned to go against her or a variety of reasons. the idea has been out there for a while. for whatever reason it's not turned into this flood of establishment support that you might normally see for the supposedly most electable candidate. his number of endorsements has ticked up from members of congress, from elected officials, members of the so-called republican establishment. but it's interesting to me still, when you take these polls and ask republican voters, who do you think has the best chance of beating hillary clinton next year, they still overwhelmingly say donald trump. >> jeb bush seemed to have a solid performance last night, at least different from the last couple gatherings. listen to the back and forth between bush and trump. >> donald, you know, is great at the one-liners.
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but he is a chaos candidate. and he would be a chaos president. >> jeb doesn't believe i am unhinged. he said that very simply because he has failed in this campaign. it's been a total disaster. nobody cares. >> this is a tough business to run for president. >> i know. you're a tough guy, jeb. >> we need a leader that is -- >> you're real tough. >> you'll never be president of the united states by insulting your way to the president. >> i'm at 42 and you're at 3. so far i'm doing better. >> doesn't matter. >> you started off over here, jeb. you're moving further and further. pretty soon you're going to be off the end. >> chuck, seems bush did get under trump's skin a bit. >> he did. >> i think trump answered -- well, how did you see it? >> it was actually -- i thought it was trump's worst moment. he was on his way to having his best debate performance yet. he seemed comfortable, didn't lose his cool, had a great first hour. all right. and i think which is -- he was a
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do no harm strategy. boy, did jeb get under his skin, in a way -- remember, trump used to get under jeb's skin when we used to talk about the debates. now the role has been reversed. taiking a step back here, one of the remarkable aspects of the debate is that jeb bush, with a little bit of rand paul were the only two candidates that really took trump on. we spent a week where the entire republican party came down like a sledgehammer on trump, everybody on that stage tried their hardest to distance themselves from trump, to mock him and all this stuff. and there were only two guys on the stage that had the guts to take him on when he was on there. jeb bush and rand paul. that's interesting. rubio took a pass. cruz obviously. carson. carly fiorina took a pass. nobody truly decided to go after trump more so than jeb. >> but is it too little, too late for jeb? and do you take on trump now
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when, you know, you're at 5% or 3% and not when you were at -- well, you know -- >> yes. let's look. monde-morning -- the fact of the matter is, yes. it's a little late to be doing this. yes, he should have been doing this earlier. should have been more comfortable doing it. he is now. is it too late? the trajectory is not good. nobody has spent more money and seen his numbers go down more, financially, when you look at the amount of money spent versus the standing in the polls than jeb bush. he found life. and, you know, if this is what he does now between now and iowa, he becomes the guy who trolls trump, maybe that's enough. maybe it's simply about helping the party out. whatever it is, jeb has found -- looks comfortable finally in a role in this campaign. no longer as policy wonk. in this case trump troller. >> the fact is that there has not been one vote cast yet.
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nicolle, do any of the candidates take on trump when it comes to portraying strength, which is clearly something that at least the republican primary voters are looking for. >> listen, i think it's more than just odd that they don't take him on. it's slightly pathetic. you have had ted cruz trashing trump at a fund raiser behind closed doors and standing side by side, almost like a middle schooler who doesn't face up to them standing shoulder to shoulder. i don't think it says much about anyone's character to say something about someone behind their back and not have the courage to say it to their face. i don't think it's good for any of them. all these campaigns are harshly critical of donald trump, particularly when he does things like call for a ban on all muslims. i was flabbergasted that it was the undercard debate where lindsey graham really carried the message and made you proud to be a republican again for talking about that's not what we're for. i'm surprised that nobody in the
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second debate delivered the message that lindsey graham did directly to the men and women who are muslim in the armed services. jeb did a lot of good. he finally looked strong enough to stand up to trump. i think we'll always wonder, if he had done that out of the gate, if he would be in a different position now. >> there is an argument that bush can't buy his way into the white house because he spent tense of million of dollars. chuck was talking about that. is there time? no vote has been cast yet. >> there is still -- i think the more basic question with bush and so far the answer to this, you know, is he the wrong candidate for the wrong year. and that might just be the bigger problem with jeb bush. it might not be a question of, could he spend $50 million, $75 million, and still get nowhere. could he step up the attacks on trump and still get nowhere. chuck was alluding to this earlier. i think the problem for jeb is sort of the problem the
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establishment faces, the republican establishment faces. if they don't want trump to be the nominee and they're also not comfortable with ted cruz as the nominee, when you look at this with cruz getting the evangelical vote right now and looking strong and durable, durable in a way like ben carson wasn't in iowa, it shifts. the establishment side of the party, the pressure is on to get somebody through new hampshire to beat donald trump in new hampshire. at least be perceived as beating donald trump in new hampshire. then suddenly you have chris christie moving into double digits in new hampshire. jeb bush. if he starts bumping up. that's a chunk of the establishment vote. you have rubio there gobbling up 10%, 15% in new hampshire. you are looking at a situation in new hampshire where donald trump is more than two to one ahead of anybody because the establishment is so divided. if you get cruz out of iowa and trump out of new hampshire, history says one of those two will then be the nominee.
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there is always the possibility of the exception that this is the kind of crazy year that someone else emerges later. if you don't get the early momentum winning iowa or being perceived as winning in new hampshire, history says you can't jump start your campaign after that. >> thank you all for being with me this morning. we'll hear donald trump's own post-debate analysis ahead right here on the program. during the debate the first topic the candidates went head to head was about isolating different groups of immigrants coming to the united states particularly when it comes to the muslim community. >> we are not talking about isolation. we're talking about security. we're not talking about religion. we're talking about security. our country is out of control. >> if we want to destroy radical islamicic terrorism we can't disassociate our yefls from peace-loving muslims. >> it's not a war on faith.
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do muslim-americans feel like any of these candidates will focus on keeping them and their communities safe? linda is the director of the arab american association of new york. great to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> what are your thoughts on last night's debate? >> especially in the main event, just hearing, again, ban muslims, deport the ones that are already here, the refugees that have already been brought here, carpet bombing of innocent civilians. they were pushed on that multiple times by the questioners. and just -- it was absolutely disgraceful that these are the people who are leading the republican party who think they're going to be the next president of the united states. i wanted someone to ask them to define american. what does american mean to the republican candidates that were up there. and i think, if we were able to ask that question, it would be very clear that they would look at someone like me and not see me as their fellow american. >> linda, you know, there
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were -- is it somewhat ironic that the one person in the main debate that did say that this should not be a war against a religion and that the majority of muslims are peace-loving was jeb bush, who was really now falling and hasn't been able to get any traction in that party? >> unfortunately, yes. the basically -- one of the losers, and then when we look at the pre-debate, which was lindsey graham who really had the strongest message about talking about american muslims and really standing up for what he believes in or what we as americans should believe in. but the issue here with me is that their words don't really align with their actions, and what we've seen as their priorities in the different realms, whether they're legislators or not. the republican party continues to focus on isis, isis, killing, killing, killing. since 9/11 and the horrific attacks of 9/11 we haven't been able to kill our way out of
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terrorism. isis is an ideology. we cannot kill an ideology with weapons and war. that's why it scares me to think that the future of -- the future leadership of our country potentially can be people who think they can mass-murder civilians across the world. we killed over 650,000 iraqis who were civilians and haven't gotten anything. we created the vacuum for isis. no one wanted to talk about the substance in our failed foreign policy. >> do you think isis can be negotiated with? do you think there is any negotiating with a group of people that say that it is better to die -- to die causing harm to others than to negotiate? can you actually -- do you think that there is a negotiated settlement with people like isis? >> i don't think there is -- it's not about negotiation. it's about defeating an ideology with ideology. it's about creating partnerships and not alienating american muslims from the process. killing isis members and
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particularly when you're focusing on a big city like raqqa where there are millions of civilians, is the way that you're going to radicalize more people across the world. that's the recruiting tool that isis wants. that debate last night, they said isis more than 100 times. free pr for isis. i am pretty sure they were rooting on the republican party. we have to understand that isis is a decentralized terrorist organization. they are not a nation-state for us to be waging war on them and then killing hundreds and maybe thousands of civilians in the process. this is not the way that we're going to defeat terrorism and definitely not isolating a whole segment of the american population, many of whom have deep roots in this nation from the founding of this nation, including our african-american muslim sisters and brothers. >> thank you for being here this morning. we're going to hear from trump and how he thought the debate went when he told hard
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trump aggressively defending his position on several key issues during an interview with nbc's chris matthews. the two short after last night's debate. trump addressed questions about whether he'll run as an independent. >> you're acting like a winner right now. you said you would run as a republican. no third-party option. you said if they don't treat you fairly in the republican party you were going to bolt. >> basically, chris, if you look at what's happened, i am number one by a lot. by 27 points. what am i going to do? leave and say i'm going to run
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as an independent? over the last four or five months i've gotten to know a lot of great republicans. i think they'll all come together and coalesce and we'll do very well. i have had terrific polls against hillary. fox came out last week where we beat her by five points. >> one ever the polls shows carson beating her. do you believe that? >> you never know. you never know. he is a quality guy. we were talking to him before. >> as a good republican would you endorse and support who ever sins wins on your party's side? >> i would. i have gotten to know most of them pretty well. i like a lot of them. kae can't say i love everybody but i like a lot of them and respect quite a few of them. >> there is melania over there. thank you for standing here, letting us have you here. you said that, if we hadn't gotten into these wars -- a lot of people agree with me about this. the war in iraq.
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i don't buy the theory with wmd. they cooked up the term. they didn't care what it was. knocking off libya, knocking off gadhafi and mubarak. you said we could have spent $3 trillion -- >> actually probably four. could be five. >> how do we go forward -- >> how about all the lives -- >> how do we find the money again to rebuild the country? >> we're going to have to do it. we have to stop the nonsense. we destabilized the middle east. the war in iraq was a disaster. you interviewed me at the university of pennsylvania many years ago. i have a lot of respect for you. the fact is that, if you look at what we did in iraq, we totally destabilized the middle east. i have been against it from 2003, 2004. you see articles all over the place. >> four guys tonight. carson, you, cruz and paul had a pretty good fight going with the old crowd led by cruz.
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the neoconcrowd. >> our country is falling apart. infrastructure, roads, highways, schools, hospitals, airports are falling apart. i go to some of the countries where they have airports the likes of which we've never seen. >> south africa. i took a train with my son. you can go on a train in zurich and put the diet coke on the arm chair and it sits there the whole trip. try that on amtrak. will we rebuild the rail system? >> we have to rebuild the country. we can't do that if we spend trillions of dollars doing all this stuff -- the question is would we be better off if gadhafi as there? we got nothing out of it. we got death out of it. >> i have a nut-cutter question for you. you have great numbers nationally. up around 40 in the poll that abc just came out.
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38, 41. you're not doing it in iowa. iowa seems to be fading over to the religious side. >> cnn i was up by 13. >> that was part of chris matthews' interview with donald trump last night following the debate. when we come back we'll go live to los angeles. schools there prepare to reopen after yesterday's threat resulted in a system-wide closure. anticipation for "star wars," "the force awakens" reaching a fever pitch. look how jimmy fallon's "tonight show" crew is preparing for friday's big event. >> ♪ ba, ba, ba, ba, ♪ ba, ba ba ba, ba ba ba, ba ba ba, ba ba! ♪ ♪ ba, ba, ba, ba [ to the "star wars" theme ]
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schools in los angeles are reopening this morning, a day after officials took the unprecedented step of canceling all classes in the nation's second largest school district because of a threat that was later discontractredited. 640,000 students in the los angeles area stayed home yesterday. new york city schools received the same threat but police officials dismissed it as a hoax and did not cancel classes. let's go live to los angeles with morgan ratford. what's the latest about what exactly they did about student safety overnight? >> reporter: josé, was it a hoax? that's the question on everyone's mind this morning. and after seven hours and more than 1500 school sweeps looking for a possible bomb, the l.a. mayor said his city and his schools are safe. and while hoax -- he said
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perhaps crippminal mischief. >> i can announce the fbi has determined this is not a credible threat. something we couldn't have announced earlier in the day. i want to be very careful because that does not mean that it's conclusively one thing or another yet. some have used words that i think are probably inappropriate like hoax and other things. whether it's criminal mischief, whether it's somebody testing vulnerabilities of multiple cities, we do not know enough to say definitively. we do know that it will be safe for our children to return to school tomorrow. >> reporter: the police chief also responding to parents who were upset at the decision to close schools, and he said, look, we treated your children as if they were our own. and what decision would you have expected us to make at 5:30 in the morning? when i asked l.a. mayor garcetti about the nypd's criticism that he, quote, overreacted. he said, look, no one more than a new yorker understands the impact of 9/11. >> good seeing you this morning,
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the battle over immigration was at the heart in many ways of last night's debate and at the heart of the newly energized battle between ted cruz and marco rubio. senator rubio embraced an eventual path to citizenship for the undocumented while admitting it's not a popular position in his party but said cruz was on the same page. >> ted, you support legalizing people who are in this country illegally. he supported a 500% increase in the number of visas and supports doubling the number of green cards. >> for marco to suggest our record is the same is like suggesting the fireman and the arsonist have the same record because they're both at the scene of the fire. he was fighting to grant amnesty and not to secure the border.
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i was fighting to secure the border. >> director of the latino vote for the clinton campaign. she joins me now. great seeing you. >> good morning, josé. >> i thought senator rubio, for the first time in a while. actually specified what he believes in as far as immigration. he said, there should be a path to citizenship but only after the federal government beeves up the border and the legals from is changed and forcing people to have a work permit for ten years before getting a green card. what does hillary clinton feel has to be done? >> let me speak to this for a second, josé. i think that's giving him too much credit. i think saying he is for a pathway to citizenship is getting away with muddling his words and going back and forth on his positions. the rubio position is an extreme position. he said i would take away 65,000 -- i would take away daca
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from 65,000 dreamers. that means people like my sister, maria, who has been here since she was 5 and is 22 today, would be put at risk of deportation. he would be against dapa. he is with people fighting if in the courts right now. keeping 4 million parents of american citizens from having relief from deportation. we also have to remember that when push came to shove in the senate bill, and we were working with both republicans and democrats on the hill, he walked away from his bill, from the bill he had worked on. so this is a man we can't trust. i think he gets too much credit for turning his back and changing his positions on the issue of immigration. hillary clinton, meanwhile, has been consistent on her position that we should have a pathway to citizenship for 11 million undocumented americans who qualify for the criteria. she is for going farther to the extent that the law permits. there is a huge contrast between our candidates and their positions.
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>> i think you have made a compelling point. let's talk specifics here. the fact of the matter is that that gang of eight bill that was passed for republicans, for democrats, does include a pathway to citizenship, after a number of metrics are found. by the way, any bill has metrics. but -- but daca is a limited time period executive action. it has a due date. it really doesn't matter -- i am asking -- if the president -- if a candidate is for or against it because it's what they do once they're in power themselves, not what president obama did, because that runs out, right? >> yeah. but he also did say that, with or without cir, with or without the dream act, he would be for ending d adaca. i don't think you can talk freely about taking away a policy that's helping thousands
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of people. >> the fact of the matter is it runs out. it has a due date. >> it's the job of the executive to continue to renew it until we have a permanent solution that passes the congress. >> or not. >> or not. but he is in the senate right now. when he walked away from comprehensive immigration reform in 2013 and said i'm going to do it with small bills, he never put a small bill forward. he never pushed the house to do anything. let's look at the track record here on this candidate. >> this is important stuff. the fact is that that bill did pass in the senate, and the house of representatives could have taken up the bill, could have taken up a version of the bill, could have watered that bill down and presented a piecemeal thing. didn't do anything on immigration. zero. there was no possibility for a conference because there was nothing to conference about. >> right. and then they talked about smaller bills. and marco rubio didn't do anything. and so, if he is for immigration and he is for a solution, whatever that solution may be, he is in the senate right now
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and he is not pushing for it. he is talking about some imaginary time line to secure the border in examix number of to maybe give you a quasi legal status. it's not clear. my sister is with her community. she stands with latinos and immigrants. >> i think what rubio was referring to last night was back to the metrics and specifics of the gang of eight bill that, you're right, he seemed to walk away from after it was presented. i know you became a u.s. citizen yesterday. >> i did. i love this conversation, josé. when i was sitting in a rotunda with 30 other people yesterday. taking the oath to this great nation and being proud to call ourselves americans. last night we had republicans talking about repudiating the idea of citizenship for undocumented immigrants and for the people who make our country great.
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and so it was a very special day for me. and it was a reminder of what's at stake in this election and why i am committed to fight and why i am fighting to elect hillary clinton every day, so that 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country have the opportunity to feel what i felt yesterday. to hug their moms and say, thank you, mom, for all the sacrifices that you made, for coming to this country and living a hard life and for reminding us what we are about and why we're fighting so hard in this election cycle. >> lorella, thank you for being with me. fewer than 50 days still voters start to cast ballots in the presidential race, did last night's debate do anything to change minds? steve kornacki talked with a group of republicans last night. he's back with us this morning to share some of what they said. >> you always look at these polls. we talk about what's trump at, rubio, bush. a lot of voters still say they're undecided. even the voters right now who are telling you that they're supporting a particular candidate, when you press them,
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most of the time they're saying, yeah, i'm not really that committed. i could change my mind. we figured, let's get eight voters like that together, eight republican voters who have been watching this race for months now, who haven't made up their minds. let's watch the debate and put them on camera as soon as it's over and see what they thought. that's what we did last night. check it out. here we are with our panel of eight undecided republicans. republican-leaning independents. we should say. all from the tri-state region, around new york. if that's a different kind of republican at all, that's out there. some people would make that case. but okay. so, at the start of the night we took your temperature. you guys just watched the debate with the rest of the country. i want to go around from the top row down to the bottom row and ask each of you first of all, you watched it for two hours. who, in your judgment, had the best night tonight? andrew. >> best night would be rubio. he came up very clear. i liked his message. trump seemed very, very relaxed.
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>>relaxed. glen. >> trump was very on his game, stayed cool. and he spoke about some issues pretty clear. very convincing, i thought. >> robert. >> chris christie. i thought he had a great night. i think he showed why, again, i said in the beginning, i think governors potentially make the best presidents. he think he got to the points, made his points, and i felt he did very well this evening. >> tom. >> i think -- i think carly fiorina really shown tonight. she was strong and concise. had a good command of what she was saying. i agree chris christie was strong and i think cruz edged out rubio. >> best night,zena? >> i was happy to see that jeb bush came across very earnest and thoughtful, and i think that he knows a lot more than comes across in the debates. and also, carly fiorina, i
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thought she was very well spoken and really gets her point across. >> jennifer? >> chris christie showed up today. he is the guy i wanted him to be six months ago. it's like, where have you been? you finally showed up today. he is my guy. >> mary beth? >> i think jeb. i think he had his best night tonight. i loved how he stood up to trump, finally! that was awesome. and carly. i think she had a really good night too. >> sherri? >> i think chris christie showed himself as a leader today. we need a leader to break away from the pack and i think christie did that. rubio stepped up also. i give him credit for his performance tonight. >> a couple of you mentioned the jeb bush/donald trump. jeb bush came to go after donald trump, it seemed like. show of hands. in that exchange between the two of them who here thought donald trump got the better of that exchange? >> i would say donald trump did only because he was -- he is so
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bold. but i think tonight, as far as i'm concerned, i think jeb bush has definitely made the cut and he is moving on. i think christie did show up and he's absolutely back in the game. >> let me take that a -- the flip-side of the question. jennifer, worst night. who had the worst night? >> i think rand paul had the worst night. i mean, you know, the poor guy. it's just -- i feel badly for him. and also dr. ben carson. he said, i'm here. you know. it was almost like a "saturday night live" skit. he was there but no one was talking to him. >> so ben carson at the top of the polls a couple of weeks ago. who here after tonight would consider voting for ben carson? >> only -- i just have to say, he's -- he's certainly a million times better than what's on the other side. in this field, he's being, you know -- plowed under by all this
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rhetoric that's going on. but in terms of intellect and in terms of clarity, in terms of being a human being, i think he's head and shoulders above everybody on the stage. unfortunately that's not the contest. it's not a cage fight but it's close to that. it's our politics. >> josé, there you go. a little taste. eight undecided republicans. i want to stress, we called it a focus group. that was an unscientific focus group but still interesting opinions there. >> steve kornacki, thanks. debate night was huge! for donald trump on social media. msnbc cal perry. here with top moments and issues and candidates as measured by social media. >> off the charts on social media last night. you just had to following along on twitter. we want to look at how the candidates did, their share on twitter. for starters, donald trump, far and away not even close. bush rated a little bit. cruz kind of made the twitter
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cut, if you like, but paul and christie, not even on the list. next we take a look at the top tweeted moment during the debate. it was the tony soprano moment, you're a tough guy moment. take a listen. >> this is a tough business to run for president. >> you're a tough guy, jeb. >> we need to have a leader. >> you're tough. >> you're never going to be president of the united states by insulting your way to the presidency. >> the moments where the candidates faced off, not surprisingly, the most talked about online. and as we sort of take a look at it, you can see chronologically how the debate unfolded. these spikes right here. this is cruz and this is rubio. talking about nsa data collection. this is the immigration debate, josé, where it really spiked shortly after 10:00 p.m. last night. the top issues discussed, this is coming to us out of facebook, not surprising. islam number one. it rated throughout the night as the number one issue, maybe a bit surprising to see religion at the top. maybe not surprising after
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everything that's going on in the news. one of the things being talked about a lot, josé, is the internet and encryption. more on that at 10:00 a.m. >> cal, hillary clinton is in t heartland today, she'll be joined by warren buffett at an event in nebraska where the presidential candidate will be focusing on her economic agenda. we'll go live to omaha for the latest. it's time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. chris doyle of ec plumbing in lakewood, colorado, has only been in business for a year. similar to uber, his approach to finding customers as been to tap the on-demand economy by using several lead-generating services to match him instantly to a customer in need. our cosmetics line was a hit. the orders were rushing in. i could feel our deadlines racing towards us. we didn't need a loan. we needed short-term funding fast.
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buffett, the second-richest man in america would be talking about that? this has long been an issue for him saying that the wealthy, such as himself, should be paying more of their fair share in income taxes. this is also an issue that's been animating the challenge from senator bernie sanders against hillary clinton. sanders saying that she's too close to wall street, too close to millionaires, that she would not be criticizing them the way that he is. but buffett is sort of an ally in that for hillary clinton. he's no fan of wall street, but he is a fan of hillary clinton. he is a big contributor to her super pac and earlier this month was at a fund-raiser on wall street for hillary clinton. in just a few minutes he'll be hosting a fund-raiser here in omaha. then they'll be coming here to this auditorium, this historic
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i know. >> hillary clinton and barack obama are responsible for the growth of isis. >> we must deal frontally with this threat of radical islami s islamists. >> if our military says we need boots on the ground, we have to put boots on the ground. >> we have to go massively like the first gulf war. >> i personally am allowing people -- open to allowing people to have a green card. >> if your eyes are glazing offense like mine, this is what it's like to be on the floor of the united states senate. >> are you ready to assure republicans tonight you will run as a republican and abide by the decision of the republicans? >> i really am. i'll be honest. >> i miss george w. bush! right now. we wouldn't be in this mess. >> if you want something talked about, ask a man. if you want something done, ask a woman. good morning to you once again, i'm jose diaz-balart.
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welcome to the second hour of msnbc live. breaking down last night's republican debate, msnbc political correspondent steve kornacki. great to see you both. steve, start with you. the two front-runners for the nomination, trump and cruz didn't even touch each other last night. is this a big take-away? >> yeah. i guess it ends up not being that surprising. first of all, donald trump a lot of times he saves his most sort of intense scathie ining wither comments about miss opoepts for when they're not on stage with him. in advance of the debate he started to go after cruz a little bit. that's what raised the possibility there would be a big fight between the two of them but he started to get earlier this week a lot of blowback from conservative talk radio, conservative talk radio of course has really had trump's back all year as the republican establishment has turned on him. he was getting rush limbaugh, mark levin, sean hannity, people like this were starting to say,
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wait a minute, trump, the way you are going after ted cruz we don't like. i don't think there was much incentive for trump to go after ted cruz. from cruz's standpoint he clearly came into the debate last night with the mindset if donald trump doesn't come after me, i'm not going to pick a fight with donald trump. he had a couple moments with cruz where the moderators were asking cruz to explain differences with trump to really start to mix it up with trump and he resisted each and every time to the point where i think you started to wonder toward the end of that debate did he look a little bit too eager to please, too eager no the to offend donald trump. the risk there for cruz was that maybe he didn't seem aggressive enough going up against trump. clearly the cruz strategy in this thing really is the long game. at some point the strategy is that at some point this trump things starts to fade, starts to go away and he wants those voters to feel welcome in his campaign. >> there was more substance than
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maybe in the past debates. who benefits interest that kind of debate? >> well, really the people that i talk to and the people i've really seen there at the local watch party where i went to, they really noticed there was a lot more substance, lot more substantive talk there. the debate i went to were mostly democrats that were really listening for how they were going to talk about immigration and amnesty. from what i could tell, even though democrats didn't like the stances they took, they felt like they at least got more details out of people. one person specifically about marco rubio said about his plan to have people wait ten years to get their green cards, in that regard he said i don't like the fact he's extending this program for something that would be outside his presidency. if he won, he would only be there eight years. he would then have to hand it off to someone else. but they were happy to hear details, rather than macho talk
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and vague suggestions about immigration. >> bringing in that ten-year period was pretty much what was in that gang of eight senate bill because there has to be a metric, a time period, and that was in that gang of eight bill. so i don't know why people are surprised when he talks about that, but on the other hand it was interesting to watch him specify finally his position. steve, trump last night pretty much ruling out an independent run. listen to what he said. >> are you ready to reassure republicans tonight that you will run as a republican and abide by the decision of the republicans? >> i really am. i'll be honest. i really am. people have been putting me to the test. i will tell you, i am totally committed to the republican party. i feel very honored to be the front-runner. i think i'll do very well if i'm chosen, if i'm so fortunate to be chosen, i think i'll do very well. >> steve, looks like trump at least is pretty dogmatic that he's not -- that he is ruling out any kind of third party run. dr. carson, not that dogmatic.
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>> although with trump, we got to say, i think the number one rule of donald trump is he's not going to be bound tomorrow by what he promised yesterday. he said it last night. we'll see if in a week or two or month from now he's still insisting he won't run as an independent. it always seemed unlikely he would turn around and run a third party campaign but he's certainly liked to dangle the threat of it out there, i think in terms of improving his treatment from the party. maybe super pacs start running ads, something like that, he starts saying, hey, i'm not feeling they're treating me fair here. we may not have heard the last of it from him. the other thing though is -- the other development this morning is jeb bush. we're talking about donald trump at least last night pledging loyalty to the republican party. at the same time there is a story in politico this morning. there's been a lot of buzz about this around the bush campaign
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for a while now, this idea that jeb bush might come out at some point here in the next few days, next few weeks and say, look, if donald trump is the nominee of the republican party that's not a nominee that i can support. that would be an interesting move for bush to make. we haven't seen any of these other candidates or other major republicans go that far yet. >> do you think that bush is going to get any traction or see any growth after last night's debate performance? >> well, the people i was at were mostly democrats. one of the things i heard that was surprising to me and to the people i was with be they said jeb bush kind of sounded like someone who is the most reasonable there. they told me that they thought that jeb bush was the person who wasn't just going after immigrants, wasn't just being divisive, wasn't really just using language to kind of stoke people's fears but that he was really trying to talk about kind of how he moved forward and how he moved forward in a way people aren't just deported in massive
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deportations. i think some of the republicans were watching if jeb bush really had more of the power to go after trump in the way that he did that maybe this is someone that we can get behind. because jeb bush i think was a very more feisty candidate, the people that i talked to were kind of taken aback by the fact that he went after trump not once or twice but really three times and the people that i was talking to and the people i was watching with were laughing at first because they thought, wow, this is a jeb bush that we hadn't really seen before. so even democrats are saying that jeb bush looked better, that they won't support him, of course, because they are still leaning toward bernie sanders and hillary clinton, but the idea was that they really liked what they saw in terms of him and in terms of how he performed with the other candidates. >> thank you both for being with me. appreciate your time. want to bring in senior advisor to the bush campaign. let's talk a little bit about your candidate's performance last night. i want to show some of the moments between bush and trump,
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if we could. >> sure. >> donald is great at the one-liners. but he's a chaos candidate. and he'd be a chaos president. i know what i don't know. i know what i don't know. i would seek out, as i have, the best advice that exists. i won't get my information from the shows. i don't know if that's saturday morning or sunday morning. i don't know which one. >> here's what "the washington post" said. yes, his forms was a stet up from previous debate struggles but bush needed to somehow score a knock-out purge and he didn't get one. title of the article said it was jeb's last stand and he failed. what's your reaction to that? >> these people are trying to write a narrative for it last month and they won't back away in spite of overwhelming evidence that jeb is in this race to win. >> what's that evidence, al? >> well, look. there are two things that republican voters are looking for. one is who can keep us safe, and two, who can best stand up to hillary clinton. yesterday's back and forth with
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donald trump, one, he was more prepared to keep our nation safe, and two he stood up to donald trump, beat donald trump, and therefore proved to everyone that he's the guy to take on hillary clinton. look, there are only four candidates in this race that have the resources to take it to the finish line. and that's ted cruz, marco rubio, jeb bush, and donald trump if he decides to spend his own money. rick santorum in 2012 won iowa. he got nowhere because he didn't have an organization of resources. jeb is ready to take on the field. there are three lanes here. donald trump in one lane, ted cruz in another, marco tried to get in ted cruz's lane. that debacle last night was bad for both. then the most crowded lane, jeb needs to win that one, that's the homestretch. >> but he has gotten a whole lot better in the debates but he doesn't seem to be getting traction where it counts.
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the people that are possible voters in the republican primari primaries, all the polls seem to show so far that he is in single digits. and we are getting close, al. we're right up against 2016 and february's around the corner. >> listen, i pointed to rick santorum. he had 6% at this very time in 2012 in iowa and he won iowa. i don't know what the media's thinking. this race hasn't begun yet. if we were in march, and jeb was in single digits, then that's a viable statement. right now, everything is moving, everything is up in the air. in new hampshire you got four guys tied for second place. you got donald trump in first place. whoever comes in second place has a good chance to win this thing. so jeb bush is right in the thick of it. i think in that lane where you have john kasich, chris christie, jeb bush and marco rubio to some extent, jeb has the best chance to be a survivor. >> al, talk to me about immigration because yesterday it seemed to me as though jeb bush, who has written a book about immigration reform, who's been
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very clear on immigration reform, kind of stepped back, even when trump hit him on the crossing the borders, an act of love. he didn't really define himself. it was rubio who kind of was more clear on his position. now he has shifted. does jeb need to be more clear on what he believes immigration reform would look like, and also the semantics behind this conversation? >> look, last night the guy who took the bigger risk -- and i think incurred the greatest damage on immigration was ted cruz. the reason for that is his lane is almost totally and solely occupied by social conservatives, by evangelicals are the group within our party who have the most passionate view on immigration, yet he came across last night as the most hard-nosed, non-compassionate candidate on the immigration issue. >> can jeb blow an opportunity to be more defining about this? >> i thought jeb did great. why? because he covered the security side of things at a time when
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our nation's worried about people coming in to our country to cause us harm. so he covered the security side of it. at no point in time did he backtrack from his overall view on immigration. i thought his answer, frankly, was perfect. >> al, appreciate your time. students in los angeles are heading back to class this morning one day after that city's entire school district was shut down because of a threat. the mayor of los angeles says the threat was not credible and assures parents that students are safe. new york city schools received a similar threat yesterday but officials there dismissed it as a hoax and did not cancel classes. morgan, good morning. what's the very latest officials are telling you today? >> reporter: good morning, jose. we're standing outside the middle school here in los angeles waiting for the students to arrive. the mayor did say that this may not have been a hoax, but
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perhaps criminal mischiemischie. he said the cities and its children's are safe today after hours and hours of searching. the chief had words for parents mo were upset at the decision to close schools yesterday. he said, look, we made the same decision we would make for our own kids. and what decision would you have me make at 5:30 in the morning? listen to his defense in his own words. >> i think that anything can be viewed through through the mirror into the past but recognize when the decisions were made the information we have not was not available. in the abundance of caution, all lapd officers will be in uniform tomorrow and we will have significant extra patrols at our schools in order to ease the transition back into normalcy. >> reporter: i also asked the l.a. mayor what he thought about the nypd's criticism that he "overreacted." he said, no one understands the
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impact of 9/11 more than a new yorker. jose? >> morgan, thank you very much. congressional republicans and democrats struck a deal on a trillion dollar government spending bill that would avert a shutdown and fund the government through next october. it includes a good bit of news for 9/11 responders. we'll hear from speaker of the house paul ryan this hour but nbc's luke russert is live on capitol hill. what's the deal that you can tell us about? >> reporter: good morning. it is a $1.1 trillion spending deal that funds the entirety of the government for the rest of the fiscal year which will push us into the fall of 2016. when you have bills of this magnitude they really are a goodie bag for a lot of different causes, both republican and democratic. in this one i think the ones that are getting the most attention are, there is a repeal of the crude oil export ban that has been in place since the '70s from those loss gas lines during jimmy carter's era. that has now been repealed.
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that was a republican cause. because they said, look, we have all this oil we've derived from fracking. we want to export some of it and get some more money back here to the united states. that's been repealed. democrats were able to hoped the line. they got a lot of wind and solar tax credits they had wanted to make permanent. they also got a lot of the tax credits forward in the 2009 stimulus to be made permanent. overall though, jose, in terms of where this bill will go, it is up for a vote on friday. and it has a path to 18. it is going to take majority democratic support. there are some democrats that don't like the lift of that oil ban that i mentioned because they think it will incur more fracking. so nancy pelosi came out this morning, she wasn't totally against it -- and this was very much negotiated by harry reid and paul ryan -- but as of right now, it is going to take a little bit of arm twisting to get over the finish line because it remains unclear as to how many republicans will actually support it. a lot of conservatives think the spending number is way too high.
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so this is sort of a dance they do. i suspect, jose, jet fumes ahead of the christmas holiday, they don't want to be around here any longer. >> talk to me about this adroga act. luke, can you hear me? >> say it again. >> talk about the 9/11 responders act. >> sorry. that's a component of this legislation, the zadroga act. one, the health care they've been seeking. we saw these guys around the capitol in their wheelchairs, many with terminal cancer going door to door. their health care will be made permanent by this bill. that's some good news. also within this bill you have a five-year extension of the 9/11 victims compensation fund. for those people who weren't able to work because after 9/11 lost a family member, still struggling financially, they'll also get money going forward for five years.
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also other victims of terrorist attacks in the united states and around the world who are related to the united states will be taken care of. it took a herculean effort by first responders but a good christmas for them getting this legislation passed. >> luke, good seeing you. thank you this morning. we'll bring you -- we have paul ryan right now? here he goes. >> -- operations and stopping the irs from suppressing civic participation in 501c4 organizations. we are maintaining all of our pro-life protections and making cuts to the unfpa program. in addition to all of that we are ending washington's days of extending tax policies one year at a time. i cannot tell you how many times i have visited with small businesses and farmers who tell me, give me some certainty in the tax code and i can go create jobs. we are finally delivering on one of those tax policies we've been
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trying to for years to get. certainty in the tax code so that we can create more jobs. i think this is one of the biggest steps for the rewrite of our tax code that we have made in many years and it will help us start a pro-growth bold tax reform agenda in 2016. lastly, i have said i inherited this process. let me be the first to say, i don't think this is the way government should work. this is not how appropriations should work. so we played the cards that we were dealt with as best as we possibly could, and inheriting a process i know we need to restore to regular order and i believe we've made the best of it. we listened to our members, we've let our committees take the lead and i am pleased that we've been able to accomplish so many things for the american people and i look forward to in 2016, just like we have in the last six weeks, getting congress working back on the way it should be working, getting back to what we call regular order. that is what 2016 is going to be about, is steering this battleship toward working the way the people's house was
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intended to be working in the first place. with that, be happy to answer your questions. >> paul ryan with the announ announcement on this budget deal. he is putting a very positive spin to it. there is a lot of work that still needs to be done, but apparently a big hurdle has been overcome. we'll have much more on the gop debate throughout the hour, including the moments that created the most buzz on social media. we'll also turn to the race for the democratic nomination, hillary clinton, visiting the midwest today and a business mogul ready to join her on a campaign stop. lots more ahead right here on msnbc live. stay with me. this is brad.
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warrant to get back to the republican debate and the issue of immigration whichcaputo.
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let's talk about this issue of immigration. obviously national security is the preeminent issue, at least in the republican debates and republican talking points. but immigration obviously not a big issue for iowa, for example. even not as big for other places in new hampshire. but did you see a change last night in the semantics? >> well, what i saw from rubio was him really not wanting to say the "c" word, as in citizenship, as in pathway to citizenship. he did a great job avoiding that and skirting the issue. rubio also did maybe score a point on ted cruz by essentially getting ted cruz to say he never supported legalization but cruz offered an amendment to the gang of eight bill, where it sounded like cruz did support legalization. >> that's something that a lot of campaigns have been shipping each other and criticizing. here's exactly what ted cruz said what he was presenting
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amendments to that gang of eight bill. you have -- what exactly -- just being told now that we don't have that sound. but it was an amendment. he did a number of amendments to that bill. >> right. the one amendment in question is where cruz says, look, this amendment addresses the 11 million illegal immigrants and it gives them the opportunity for lpr, which is legal permanent resident. he says it brings these people out of the shadows. by cruz's own words with cruz's own amendment, cruz supported a path to legalization. cruz's defenders say this was a poison pill and he never really meant to take it seriously anyway, which you think -- oh, so you're going to spend the time intentionally passing amendments that don't work? >> poison pills are regularly used by people in politics to appear to be doing one thing but actually be doing the exact opposite. >> right. but still, when you're in a
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committee, when you're offering something that says this gives legal permanent residency, i'm supporting it, it means you supported legal permanent residency in one form or fashion. >> look at the other side from the democrats, from all three of the candidates, o'malley, senator sanders and hillary clinton are for much -- they are a even going further than president obama has been able to do. >> right. think what you're certainly seeing is the centrifugal force of our politics where the center is not there and the left is going left and the right is going right. if you look at the xs and os of how the political systems plays out in general elections i'm not seeing a lot that republicans are offering to hispanic voters, the fastest growing and one of the most demographic groups in america, at least regards voting rules -- certainly in florida, the most important swing state in the nation. so if republicans want to start thinking about winning a presidential election, they might want to consider these
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issues. >> but they got to get through these primaries first. the dichotomy in the electoral -- the conflict is so large. how do you deal with something like that? democrats don't have that problem. >> rubio's showing a way to deal with it, but the thing is that ted cruz is such a good debater he's talk being about the rubio/schumer gang of eight bill. that's really kind of throwing the gauntlet down. >> it seemed as though jeb had renewed life and fire last night. is it enough on the issue of immigration, he didn't really go forward after being attack by trump for his "it's an act of love" comments. >> right. i'm hesitant to say this debate meant a lot. for me, it was kind of meh. but, yeah, in the end, jeb kind of showed a pulse. as trump pointed out, yeah, jeb, i'm at 42 points, you're at 3. it's kind of like my poll is bigger than yours. >> i'm not going there.
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>> in the end you have this problem jeb has, no matter what he's done in this election, his numbers have just gone down the more he's campaigned. >> always a pleasure. more politics after the break. still ahead what gop voters thought of the debate and a whole lot more.  ♪  now more than ever america's electricity comes from cleaner- burning natural gas. and no one produces more of it than exxonmobil. helping dramatically reduce u.s. emissions. because turning on the lights... isn't as simple as just flipping a switch. energy lives here.
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and more now on the fifth republican presidential debate and what lit up social media. msnbc's cal perry, senior editor for digital content is here with highlights of some of the top moments, issues and candidates. good morning. >> a huge number of people watched this debate, and an even larger number talking about it online, both last night and today. i want to show you chronologically the topics. we'll run this twice for our viewers so don't be concerned if you don't get it the first time. isis and the internet stayed consistent as the top topics. this spike is when governor
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kasich laid out his foreign policy plan to defeat isis especially with the kurds. isis and the internet stayed consistent. there was a lot of talk last night and a lot of talk online today about encryption and about the internet and how we can use that to maybe help defeat isis. one of the things that wasn't talk about too much is this issue of encryption and some of the apps that exist in europe. we'll have more on that throughout the day. the top tweeted moment overall, "you're a tough guy, jeb." this was obviously one of the highlights of the debate. take a listen. >> this is a tough business to run for president. >> oh, i know. you're a tough guy, jeb. i know. you're real tough, jeb. >> you're never going to get to be president by sulking your way -- >> trump came out on the top of that back and forth but it actually seemed to have helped jeb bush, jeb bush the second-highest tweeted candidate. so you never know, maybe in the long run, at least on social
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know, trump turned out to be right, whether it was illegal immigration or so many other things, ted cruz was the one person that really backed me. he was with me. and i have to respect that. >> let me bring in national politics reporter for the "washington post" and msnbc analyst. robert, good morning. so it's interesting, because donald trump is really kind of speaking very highly of the guy who is in many ways nipping at his heels, and it's not really what we've seen about trump when he sees other people coming toward him in the polls. >> reporter: it certainly is a unique situation in this republican race. it is also a test amount to cruz's long-term strategy as he seeks the nom natioination, slo siphoning off conservative support from donald trump, knowing that they both share the same views on many key issues. he also has to fight a two-front
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war against senator rubio on different issues as well. >> before we get into the rubio/cruz issue, if trump's numbers don't go down, if trump continues to grow the way he's been growing, not only in iowa, new hampshire, but certainly throughout the country, what is cruz's road to victory? >> it is a great question. and the answer is pretty simple. organization. cruz believes he can survive defeats or perhaps not a first place finish in the early contests, iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, and be in it for the long haul. when you look at the calendar, march 1st, super tuesday, a lot of southern states, cruz has been going there for months. he'll be going there again. he believes those deep red states in the south, they could give him a lift. and donald trump at that point march 1st, if he doesn't like the political pain, cruz will still be in it organized on the ground. >> let's talk a little bit about
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cruz and rubio. what does cruz think he needs to do to fight back against rubio and rubio seems to be trying to get a lot of the support -- or traditional support you would think that cruz is going to have? >> last night was a striking turn in the republican race especially for senator rubio, because he has had an under-the-radar, careful approach to his entire campaign, avoiding fights, trying to appeal to as many republicans as possible. but now the fight is here with senator cruz looking at the battle over foreign policy. he knows that cruz is a threat to him now, and perhaps in the future if the race ever became a two-person one. so what rubio's trying to do is fend off his fellow freshman and say i'm the alternative to trump, i'm the consensus pick. >> can he do that on immigration? because yesterday he seemed to be inching closer to defining specifically what he thinks immigration reform looks like, and in the past he really backed
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away from his own senate proposal, the gang of eight proposal. how is he going to thread that needle? >> it will be difficult for senator rubio. many republican leaders hope if he ever wins the nomination that he can pivot back to his efforts on the 2013 immigration bill to try to appeal more to a general election audience. but when you saw him last night going after senator cruz, he was going after senator cruz as someone who is perhaps weak on border policy. you see senator rubio knowing that conservatives are reluctant -- if they're reluctant at all about senator rubio, that's because of immigration. that's based on all my reporting. he is trying to win them back and re-assure them that on immigration, he's one of them. >> robert, thanks for your time this morning. the big question this morning -- did last night's debate do anything to change minds among voters? msnbc host and political correspondent steve kornacki back again. he talked with a group of republicans last night and he's going to share some of what they said.
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>> we had eight undecided republican, republican-leaning independents. these are from the tri-state area, here around new york. so maybe in some ways a different breed of republican than you see maybe in the south or in the midwest, but still these are republican voters and we wanted to know, you watched this debate last night for two hours, we asked them as soon as it was over, did your impress n impressions change about any of the candidates as a result? here's what they had to say. >> did anybody in watching this debate tonight, you came in undecided, did anybody walk away saying now i know who i'm voting for? >> i'm a little more sure. >> who? >> i was leaning towards christie but i think today he really sealed the deal. speaking from a leadership, with a leadership tone, i think he drove several points away, especially on security. what he's done at an executive level speaks to substance which is lacking from some of the other candidates. >> did i see any other hands there? anybody sure now?
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jennifer? >> as sure as i think i am. for christie. what did it for me was his remark saying that anyone's eyes glaze over when discussing the strategizing. i mean he's a governor. he gets things done. he has accountability. people look to him if there's something wrong, why didn't you do that, why did you do that. there's no debating. there's no debating with 100 other people on the floor and strategizing. he's yes or no, did you, didn't you. >> let me turn the question around. is there anybody you watched tonight you came in and you said, after tonight i am not voting for this candidate. did anybody have that experience? >> my feeling is that in general, it became clear tonight that i think you do have to go with someone who has the leadership experience. so that would be mostly for me the governors, and that would be
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christie and that would be jeb bush. the other who have not had the opportunity to execute i think seemed weaker to me when i'm visualizing them as president of the united states. >> my take-away is that i think tonight cruz after he had spoke about some of his policies really as far as i'm, in my own mind, i really believe that he is not going to be somebody that is going to represent like the republican party. i really do believe that i think rubio took the cake tonight. i believe. >> let me ask another show of hands question. there was a mixed verdict about donald trump when we sat down before the debate tonight. you guys saw him a couple hours tonight. raise your hand if your opinion of donald trump improved over the course of two hours tonight. anybody improved? anybody like him more? glen? >> i would say, you know, he definitely -- he is a leader. he's run a big company for a long time. lot of experience in the
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economy, the security, all the components. and i think he can get the right cabinet surrounding him, i think that he's definitely improved for me. >> he definitely reached a certain chord and in terms of what i think of him, like my inner voice said, you know what? he really could be president, where i came in tonight thinking he's more of a power guy. >> mary beth, let me ask you a question about electability. you saw nine candidates on stage. did one jump out and say this is the one who could beat the democrats? sl absolutely. chris christie, jeb bush and carly. absolutely. i think those three really are far and above everybody. i think the field really narrowed tonight. for me it did. i always like ben carson, john kasich. but tonight listening to them and their leadership and their strategy and how pragmatic they were. jeb and carly, i really think
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the field narrowed and i think trump really disappointed me. >> rob, would you give jeb bush a look after tonight? >> i've always liked jeb bush. i think he may have the wrong last name for this election but i do think he is really a great candidate. i think the most important thing tonight was trump saying he wouldn't run as an independent. i think that will mean a lot for the republican party not to h he that drag on their electoral votes. >> jose, a lot of good words for chris christie, some surprising ones maybe for trump. again an unscientific focus group here but these are the kinds of conversations that republicans all across the country are having these days. >> steve kornacki, thanks so much. up next, the fed could be poised to raise interest rates today for the first time since george w. bush was president. what the rate hike means and whether it's going to be good for bad news for our personal finances. phil! oh no... (under his breath) hey man! hey peter. (unenthusiastic) oh... ha ha ha! joanne?
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there's finally wage inflation. all this is good news and if the fed raises rates we'll find out at 2:00 p.m. and it means they are he they think we don't need this crutch we've been using for so long. >> explain something. the gdp growth is 2.5%. not exactly gangbusters. but then also the raise in the interest rate. how does it affect us? every day people? because it seems as though the economy's growing but the most facted, the latino community, african-american community still has relatively high unemployment rates. how does it affect an interest rate hike, how does that affect us? >> 2.5% historically is a lackluster recovery and there are all these sort of pockets of hidden slack in the labor market. that's precisely why the fed has waited seven years to take off this final crutch for the economy. but that said, we are expecting to see a quarter of 1% hike in interest rate so really a
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miniscule difference at first. that said, if you have any kind of variable rate on your debt, maybe a credit card loan, a student loan or an adjustable rate mortgage, you will start to see an itty-bitty little bit of a difference, an increase in your monthly payment. for example, say you have a half million dollar mortgage, we are talking about roughly a 10% -- or i should say a $10 increase on a monthly basis. it is not a lot. the question now is the pace at which the fed is going to continue raising rates. because it is not really just a one and done. the fed raises or lowers rates in cycles. so the question is where are we 18 to 24 months out. >> when will we start feeling that, whatever rate increase, and especially significant with people that have high credit card debts, et cetera. when are we going to see that increase? >> as i say, one to two years out. if you are thinking to make a big purchase, say a car or home, get your finances together now. you want to do something before 2018 but again historically rates are really low and they're going to be really low for the
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