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nation's second-largest school district. good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall. we will begin of course with the republican presidential candidates back on the campaign trail this morning after facing off in the fifth and final debate of this year. donald trump is headed to arizona for a rally this afternoon, followed by an appearance on "jimmy kimmel" tonight. while ben carson will address female republican voters in vegas this afternoon. and marco rubio will speak at a rally in new hampshire later. in the last hour, rubio addressed supporters in iowa where he hit his opponents on foreign policy. >> everyone on that stage talks tough. it's easy to stand here tonight and say -- or this morning and say we're going to utterly destroy isis, we're going to blow them up, we're going to make the sand glow. that's easy to say. what are you going to do it with? >> peter alexander joins us from last nigh the site of last night's debate.
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>> reporter: those two individuals certainly got into it last night. what was significant is this was the first republican debate since both paris and san bernardino, the opportunity for these candidates to try to cast themselves as a potential commander in chief. jeb bush really found his voice specifically against donald trump. people will decide for themselves whether it's too little, too late. but as you noted, marco rubio and ted cruz certainly mixed things up. >> reporter: fight night in vegas. jeb bush flailing in the polls taking the gloves off against donald trump. >> donald is great at the one-liners. but he's a chaos candidate. and he'd be a chaos president. >> he has failed in this campaign. it's been a total disaster. nobody cares. >> reporter: trump's reactions alone -- priceless. bush argued trump isn't a serious candidate. >> i won't get my information from the shows. i don't know if that's saturday morning or sunday morning.
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i don't know which one. this is a tough business. >> oh, i know, you're a tough guy, jeb. i know. >> and we need to have a leader -- >> you're tough. >> you're never going to be president of the united states by sulking your way. >> i'm at 42%, you're at 3%. so far i'm doing better. >> doesn't matter. >> you started over here, jeb. you're moving over further and further. pretty soon you're going to be off the end. >> reporter: trump earned points re-affirming he wouldn't run as an independent. >> i am totally committed to the republican party. i feel very honored to be the front-runner and i think i'll do very well. >> reporter: ted cruz and marco rubio, a pair of ambitious freshmen senators exchanged blows from defense spending -- >> i can't carpet bomb isis. >> reporter: to immigration. >> he was fighting to grant amnesty and not to secure the border. i was fighting to secure the border. >> reporter: the anticipated fireworks between trump and his chief challenger, ted cruz, never materialized. >> i've gotten to know him over
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the last three to four days. he has a wonderful temper. he's just fine, don't worry about it. >> we will build a wall that works. and i'll get donald trump to pay for it. >> reporter: the bottom line a lot of analysts here agree is that nothing that happened here last night will dramatically change the trajectory of this race. donald trump number one, ted cruz number two. though it did shake some things up in the establishment lane with marco rubio must be perhaps providing a little opening to jeb bush and chris >> crichris christie who both performed well. >> this morning on "morning joe" jeb bush weighed in on his performance in the debate and his sparring with donald trump. >> look, i can't assess all the politics. but i did think the debate was great. we got to talk about substantive issues, about the future of our country and how we can keep our country safe and secure. and it was a commander in chief debate in many ways and i don't know if the front running candidate fared that well in that kind of context.
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you need a leader that can listen to people and draw people together to be able to create a strategy to keep us safe and his policies, his -- what he's advocated just won't do it. >> while rnc chairman reince priebus appeared on the "today" show and responded to donald trump once again saying he would not mount a third party run. >> i was never losing any sleep about it to begin with. i think the media enjoys this little narrative about independent runs but the truth is that there isn't going to be in he independent in the white house. they're either going to be a republican or a democrat. i was never concerned about it. donald trump signed the pledge when i went to his office months ago. and he's never indicated to me any reason why he wouldn't honor the pledge and i never doubted it. >> joining me now, nbc news political director, moderator of "meet the press," chuck todd. start off just quickly with jeb bush. you saw him on "morning joe." many people have said he found his voice, or some of it. how extraordinary would it be
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for jeb bush, who's polling with 3%, 4%, to in the next 30, 40 days be toe-to-toe with the front-runner? >> well, it would be. but we've seen it before. people had written off john kerry at this point in time in '03 when it was wedean, dean. i think jeb has some challenges. no doubt about it. but for a whole week the entire republican party trashed donald trump. they got on that debate stage and only two guys took him on face to face -- jeb bush and rand paul. everybody else sort of took a place. we had a full-fledged bromance with ted cruz. but even some other, marco rubio. it was -- nobody -- chris christie sort of avoided it. everybody sort of avoided the clash with trump.
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this may be bush's calling. remember three months ago we thought, boy, if donald trump is out of this thing he's going to take jeb bush with him. maybe jeb bush thinks if he's going to get out of this thing, he's going to take donald trump with him. whatever his motivation, it is probably his last best hope to go the trump route. >> you talk about motivation and people choosing not to take on donald trump, donald trump chose not to take on ted cruz after trashing him at the rally, even saying not a lot of evangelicals come out of cuba and calling him a maniac on that stage. people are asking, is there some plan between the two of them. >> it looked collusion like. okay? i'm sorry, you couldn't help but the touches, the pats on the back, on the shoulder, the little gestures. oh, yeah, i'd build that wall for you. i would pay for it. you're just sitting there going, as if they made that decision. it does neither one of them any good. >> why would it be? >> it could just be simply supporting each other. one can't win without the
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other's supporters. if their goal is to get rid of the establishment, they have a common enemy right now, perhaps, in the establishment. rubio, jeb, christie, that world. there is a whole mess of reasons for them to collude politically on this front. but we'll see if it can last. >> neither is a second-fiddle kind of guy. >> correct. i mean you can't imagine -- that's not a ticket. i don't think either one of them would view it as a ticket. but it felt colluding like. >> talk about senators rubio and cruz sparring a little bit. let me play this exchange. >> there was a time for choosing, as reagan put it, where there was a battle over amnesty and some chose, like senator rubio, to stand with barack obama and chuck schumer and support a massive amnesty plan. >> i'm always puzzled by his attack on this issue. ted, you support legalizing people who are in this country illegally. ted cruz supported a 500% increase in the number of h 1 v
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visas, guest workers allowed in this country. ted supports doubling the number of green cards. >> i understand marco wants to raise confusion. it is not accurate what he just said that i support legalization. indeed i led the fight on his amnesty bill. for marco to suggest our records is the same is like suggesting the fire and the arsonist have the same record because they're both at the scene of the fire. he was fighting to grant amnesty and not to secure the border, i was fighting to secure the border. >> that was just some of the exchange. but in reality when you look at when marco rubio took on jeb bush, this confrontation with ted cruz, he comes ready and he anticipates the threat. >> yes. but immigration is different. >> yes, it is. >> it is different. it's interesting to me, watching people who thought, okay, did rubio get the best of cruz or not? depends on your point of view on the immigration issue. i look at it via republican
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primary voters and the fact is rubio is out of step. they had two big clashes, one on immigration and one on national security. basically rubio is more in step with the republican party on intelligence and the beg metadata gathering, and cruz is more in step with the republican party on immigration. immigration they may care more about than the security issue. that to me -- that to me is what to watch for with rubio. yes, for the first time he had to take a punch. he handled himself well at the debate, there is no doubt about it. but it may be the beginning of him starting to take on some water. >> very interesting, chuck, thaun thank you for joining us this morning. if katrina peierson is the national spokesperson for it the trump campaign. katrina, thank you so much for your time. >> hi, tamron. thank you. >> i'm sure you heard the conversation with chuck todd and have seen some of the arrangements. is there a deal, an arrangement,
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between senator ted cruz and donald trump? >> no, tamron, there's no arrangement. what we've been seeing is love taps on the trail and in the debates they're both very focused ond their own races. this is a competition, however, only one person can win. i think what we've seen so far is mr. trump will only go after someone that goes after him. senator cruz struck first. he struck back, and now things are back to normal. >> what is the normal? after donald trump says senator cruz is not qualified to be president, saying he doesn't have the temperament, referred to him as a maniac. in a crowd in iowa, referenced the fact there are not a lot of evangelicals that come out of cuba, referencing senator cruz's heritage. if that's not a battle, then what is? and what do we mean by "things are back to normal"? >> well, prior to that it was senator cruz who was questioning mr. trump's judgment and his ability to lead and put your finger on the button, is that who you trust? this was a love tap back and forth on the trail and you'll
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notice, in the debates lately, mr. trump has really been focused on his positions, his policies and his principles moving forward. when i say "back to normal," i mean we are back to normal. as long as no one attacks donald trump, donald trump's not going to attack them. he is seriously focused on national security, getting the border secure and the economy. so mr. trump really wants to focus on that, tamron. >> let me go back to a tweet from mr. trump in october. he tweeted out sheldon adelson is looking to give big dollars to rubio because he feels he can mold him into his perfect little puppet. that was a tweet from donald trump. but donald trump met with sheldon aidleson yesterday afternoon before the debate. why? >> because he meets with a lot of people when he's in their cities. they both have buildings here in vegas so it makes complete sense. mr. trump has been very open and honest about how he feels about
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people controlling candidates particularly with their money and their superpacs. but he always meets with people when he's in their cities. >> let me ask you about the trump rally monday night. you are very well aware that there was a black lives matter protester interrupted several times. and there were people in the audience who yelled a number of things, including, like him, using a swear word, on fire. and some other things quite honestly i don't want to repeat on air here. is the campaign concerned with some of the rhetoric coming from some supporters, particularly in that moment monday night? >> well, we're not even sure those were supporters. what i can tell you is since the grassroots movement started in 2009, we have seen and identified plants put into these positions just to make grassroots conservatives, particularly take party members look and sound racist. at this point we aren't even sure those were supporters. >> so you believe they were
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plants. >> i'm not sure what they are but we can say we don't know for sure they were supporters. >> so you are leaving the door open that they he could possibly have been supporters of donald trump with that said, is he concerned that some of the rhetoric coming from his protesters certainly could eventually, if he goes on to get the nomination, be placed back and ultimately on his shoulders in some of the things that he has said on the campaign trail? how concerned are you, how concerned is he? >> mr. trump is only speaking the truth. he's being honest and open about situations that we are facing in this country and people are going to be who they are. there's going to be outliers, there's going to be people that take it to the in exlevel. not necessarily trump supporters. but i can tell you that you have other people calling for trump supporters to be shot and killed and that's something i haven't seen on msnbc yet. >> you are absolutely right. there's always awful language coming from many sides. i do know the story that you are referencing. but what i am trying to get to with at least some of the support and passions coming from trump -- this is not to isolate
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his supporters, but you and i both know that was the headline monday. it wasn't very long ago he was meeting with african-american ministers and supporters. you are a woman. you are part of his campaign. you are a person of an ethnic background. does it concern you when you hear someone yelling, if he is a supporter, "light that person on fire"? >> well, if they were a supporter, it would concern me. but i have seen thousands of mr. trump supporters and i haven't seen or experienced any of that. so no, i really don't think that was a supporters because we do know that other campaigns have planted people in our audiences for -- just to get a reaction. >> all right, katrina. thank you very much. greatly appreciate you joining us again. as we said, last night's debate was the fifth and final one of the year. the next one won't be until january 14th of next year. did last night's debate move the meter in any way with voters? msnbc's steve kornacki joins me
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now live. >> good morning, tamron. we sat down last night and watched this debate with eight undecided republican voters. we'll stress, this was not a scientific focus group. a lot of them are mainly from the tri-state area, around here in new york. but they are republicans, they are undecided. they watched this decide and one of the things we asked them about afterwards was that exchange between -- you played a little bit of it earlier, but that exchange between jeb bush and donald trump. we looked at the exchange and asked them who got the better of it. >> i know what i don't know. i know what i don't know. i would seek out, as i have, the best advice that exists. ive i won't get my information from the shows. i don't know if that's saturday morning or sunday morning. i don't know which one. look, the simple fact is if you think this is tough and you're not being treated fairly, imagine what it is going to be like dealing with putin or dealing with the islamic terrorism that exists. this is a tough business. >> oh, i know, you're a tough guy, jeb. i know.
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you're tough. >> you're never going to be president of the united states by insulting your way to the presidency. >> well, let's see, i'm at 42%, and you're at 3%. so far i'm doing better. you started off over here, jeb. you're moving over further and further. pretty soon you're going to be off the end. >> show of hands here, in that exchange between the two of them, who here thought donald trump got the better of that exchange? >> i would say donald trump did only because he was -- he's so bold. but i think tonight, as far as i'm concerned, jeb bush has definitely made the cut. he's moving on. and i think that christie really did show up and he's absolutely back in the game. >> so little taste of what the voters had to say there. but again, it was an unscientific study. but still an interesting one. >> thank you very much, steve. want to update you on some developing news on the terrorism front. fbi director james comey just updated the investigation to the san bernardino attacks two weeks
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ago. let's go to nbc news justice correspondent pete williams who has some new information coming from comey. pete, what can you tell us? >> reporter: tamron, this is very interesting because there's been a great deal of confusion and claims about whether the government missed a warning sign on tashfeen malik, the woman who was involved in the san bernardino shootings, particularly whether immigration and state department authorities failed to pick up on social media postings that she was said to have made before coming here. the fbi director just told a news conference in new york that now that the fbi has looked through this, there were no public social media postings. she said that she and sayed farook, the man she eventually married, who was living in san bernardino, were radicalized before they met, but that afterwards, after they got to know each other, they were messaging each other privately. he described these as private direct messaging. he said we found no evidence of posting on social media by
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either of them. these, he said, were direct contacts, e-mails or direct messages using what he said was a commonly used internet service provider and talking about jihad. so this brings clarity to something that's been very confusing and the subject of conflicting reports which comey called earlier today a garble about what they'd been doing. there had been criticism of the government for failing to see these warning signs and comey saying, there weren't any warning signs. he was asked why didn't the fbi know these two are saying to each other their interest in jihad and martyrdom. he said the fbi doesn't listen to every american's communications with everyone overseas and that there was no reason at the time to suspect that sayed farook had an interest in jihad so he was not on the radar screen. therefore, there was no monitoring of his conversations.
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>> thank you very much, pete. also developing now, the jury in the trial of a baltimore police officer charged in the death of freddie gray ordered to resume deliberations for a third day after saying they are deadlocked. we'll have the latest on where things stand in baltimore. plus, the faa is investigating what caused a passenger plane to suddenly skid off a taxiway in nashville. it is one of the stories we're updated around the "news nation." ut today to run the race for retirement. so we asked them... are you completely prepared for retirement? okay, mostly prepared? could you save 1% more of your income? it doesn't sound like much, but saving an additional 1% now, could make a big difference over time. i'm going to be even better about saving. you can do it, it helps in the long run. prudential bring your challenges
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the freddie gray trial is back behind closed doors after telling the judge they were deadlocked 11 hours into deliberations. officer william porter is facing manslaughter and other charges in gray's death and faces a sentence of 25 if convicted.
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judge barry williams told jurors they must decide if porter's failure to put a seatbelt on gray or get him help is a criminal act. porter is the first of six officers who stand trial in connection with gray's death. gray died a week after his neck was broken during a ride if a police van in april. nbc's ron mott joins me now from the courthouse in baltimore with the very latest, including police officers from around the region assembled, as i understand, in riot gear. >> reporter: yeah. we're closing in on three hours of deliberations for today and this jury has been very quiet today, no notes or anything coming from the jury room today. unlike the first two days where any were pretty active about sending notes to the court when they asked for certain things. so they've been quiet. yesterday afternoon about 3:30 they sent a note to the judge saying they were deadlocked. obviously when you are on a jury, there are some frustrations that go along when the deliberations break down and people dig in to their
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positions. so maybe there is a little bit of a chilling effect on this jury. the judge of course sent them back in to continue working and we haven't heard a peep from them this morning. there were some eyebrows raised across this city when word got out and pictures surfaced of outside police law enforcement agencies assembling riot gear and things of that sort here in the park here in baltimore. one of the police directors defended the preparations saying this is not an editorial move on the city's part to suggest that that he are expecting trouble, but they certainly want to be prepared if there is unrest in this city so that we don't see what they saw back in april. we can tell you the jury is expected to break for lunch at 12:30. probably will lunch for about an hour, then resume deliberations for the afternoon. the judge -- i want to make this one point, tamron. when the case started, he wanted to have the trial over by the 17th. that's tomorrow. we don't know what is magical about that particular date. the jury is under no timetable to reach a decision or say that
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they cannot come to an agreement on these four charges. so it will be interesting to see if they go into tomorrow what tomorrow will bring. >> thank you for the live update. we'll keep our team on the ground there and bring you that verdict as soon as we hear something. developing now, los angeles students are back at school this morning after a hoax prompted an unprecedented closure affecting three-quarters of a million students. up next, i'll talk about california congressman, adam schiff, a ranking member of the intelligence committee about the fears and anxiety that led to this decision. also developing now, the federal reserve is expected to raise interest rates for the first time in nearly a decade. we'll take a look at how the markets are bracing for this decision. it is due later today.
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yesterday someone claimed to be a high school senior said they were bullied and were ready with an army to attack schools with guns and bombs in los angeles yesterday. officials are defending the decision by the los angeles superintendent to close all public schools even though a similar e-mail threat was received in new york and officials there demissismissed a hoax and kept schools open. >> if you knew what the superintendent and the school board knew at 5:30 this morning when the decision had to be made, would you have sent your child to school? and every parent i've asked has said, no, of course not. and i think that should be the test of all of us. >> joining me live now, congressman adam schiff whose district includes a large part of los angeles area. congressman schiff, thank you so much for joining us.
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>> you bet. >> i should also note that you are the top democrat on house intelligence committee and you've been receiving briefings on this investigation. with what you know now -- >> tamron, i just lost the audio. i hope it will come back. but i did get a briefing yesterday, expect to have additional briefings later today. look, i agree with the police chief. if you're not in that room operating on less than complete information, it's very easy to after the fact make a different decision. but i respect what the officials did with the information they had at the time. unfortunately, i think we're going to see more of this, more of these threats and some very difficult decisions ahead. there is no bright line here, unfortunately, we'll have to evaluate with the best information that we have at any given time. >> are you able to hear me now? >> i am. >> perfect. i think certainly parents, anyone watching quite honestly would not want to face that decision as the police chief described there. with that said, you know on the opposite end of this country,
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new york was operating in a different way here. is there a more effective way, to your point? because we are likely to see this kind of thing again where the threat of terror does not consume us but we have a balance. is there a better sharing of information that needs to be examined and reviewed at this point? >> wrel, i think that's exactly right. i think we do need to look at the flow of information and make sure that we're coordinating so that officials, local authorities when they have to make these very painful decisions, they have the best information available at the time. there's a question here about whether there was good enough cooperation. i think because you had a situation where new york was aware of the threat in l.a., but l.a. whether it made the decision, its decision may not have been aware of the information in new york. and one of the questions i'll have when i speak with the bureau later today is how is that communication working, federal authorities i think ought to be the conduit for the sharing of that information. they are in the best position to do so. so the most you can hope in
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these situations is not always to get the call right but to operate on the best information possible and make the best judgment possible. there is no reason to believe that did not occur in terms of those that were operating in los angeles looking out for the best interests of those school kids. >> you referenced the best information possible. we're just getting in new information from the fbi director james comey as the investigation continues with sayed farook and tashfeen malik. right now they are saying there was no evidence found of postings on social media by either of them regarding jihad. and you know the social media aspect has been of a great concern because there is a belief -- or had been reports that tashfeen malik posted of jihad or supportive of jihad on her social media page but was still able to get that so-called fiance visa which is now being reviewed, including at the request of the administration. so now we are backtracking and still unclear of who this woman was, how she was radicalized,
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how she got in this country, and now we're learning from the fbi director these postings were not there. >> you know, i think that's right. i think the information that we have thus far is that the postings were not public postings so there is a real question as to whether, if the department of homeland security would have found these things had they been looking for them. now to look at even potentially private communications of foreigners speaking to other foreigners, it is much more complicated than when you have a foreigner speaking to an american. but if you have a conversation between two pakistani sisters taking place between pakistan and saudi arabia, it still may be possible some of those communications might be seen. we're obviously examining what we know, what we are able to determine at the time. but, even if it is the case that we were not public, they would not have been found, that doesn't mean we shouldn't reexamine the dhs process when
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it comes to these marriage or other fiance visas. even though it may not have had an impact on this case, it may protect other cases. >> you know there is a back-and-forth of whether or not the giant tech companies are cooperating enough or can do more as we learn how these individuals communicate and adjust to this new world. in many ways as we did after 9/11, things we never imagined our lawmakers had to make decisions about who you to protect the american public. the internet came up in an interesting way in the presidgo debate last night as to whether you would cut off the internet. is there a larger push that you feel is necessary for silicon valley? >> well, i think there are three issues that we're grappling with right now. one is this pervasive use of social media by this terrorist organization and what role the tech companies ought to have in
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policing their own platforms. i don't think there's real consensus on that or at least not as far as any kind of government mandate on the tech companies. we obviously want to make sure what we're doing is productive and gives the technology sector the right incentives. we don't want to disincentivize them from looking because they feel they're liable if they look and see and they don't report. that's a tough issue. the other issue is the encryption issue -- and that is the encryption of the device itself. even in the cases of the san bernardino shooters or others, you may have a situation where you obtain a device but you can't open it. that's one very difficult issue. then the other issue is when you catch communications in transit, if they're so well encrypted and there is no way to decrypt you have that going dark problem. so we're having good i think productive discussions with the technology sector and those really need to continue. >> congressman adam schiff, thank you so much for your time. greatly appreciate it. coming up, ben carson is campaigning in nevada today
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developing now, we're keeping an eye on the markets with frefb expeederal reserve eo raise interest rates for the first time in almost a decade. stocks opened higher today. right now the dow is up 20 points. fed meets for the last time this year today and the announcement is due around 2:00 p.m. eastern time. analysts expect a quarter of a percent hike. that hike means higher interest rates on mortgages, credit cards
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and other loans, but also if you have money in a savings account, you'll slowly begin earning interest. we'll have more details on that decision and the impact it will have on you. dr. ben carson's campaign in vegas today following last night's republican debate. the retired neurosurgeon will deliver remarks to the republican women of las vegas after two -- about two hours from now. question now, did carson do enough last night in a debate heavily focused on national security to turn around those sinking poll numbers. here's what ben carson had to say to nbc's kasie hunt about his performance immediately after the debate. >> i am very pleased with what happened tonight because there's a false narrative out there that he can't possibly know anything about foreign policy and i think i demonstrated that i do. and i could demonstrate to a much greater degree, also. >> let me bring in ben carson's campaign press secretary, dina,
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thanks so much for joining us again. the reviews have been pretty rough on mr. carson. you have mark halperin giving him a grade of a "c" saying it is the lowest score for any candidate. the florida sentinel wrote it is hard to imagine anything in this debate's performance will reverse carson's deep slide in public opinion policy. the bloom is off the fleeting one-time front-runner. how does mr. carson, dr. carson, believe he did last night? did he get momentum back? >> you know, tamron, first of all, we have been counted out from the very beginning. no one thought that dr. carson would be able to pull together a first-class team. he's done that. we've shown in fund-raising and events that dr. carson is a candidate who is a serious candidate and who, quite frankly, after every debate -- this is number five and after every debate the pundits have said that dr. carson didn't do well. but we, the people, the people
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have been really pleased with his performance and as we are hearing from our supporters, people -- the 5 million people who follow dr. carson on facebook, the over 1.1 million people who are following him on twitter, we're hearing the very opposite. so we're really pleased with what happened last night. >> but the people who often follow you on social media are the people who would likely say the kind of things, in most cases, about you directly. but when you look at the polling, deana, you have dr. carson down ten points nationally since last month. the same is playing out in iowa. he's down eight points. you say the people have spoken on social media. it appears they are also speaking in these polls. >> well, you know, we think that once dr. carson has been able to dispel this false narrative that he doesn't have foreign policy chops, people will begin to -- the polls will show something different and again, dr. carson does not get panicked by the polls the way some politicians
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do. he is determined to continue to do what he's been doing which is going across the country, sharing his vision with america. and we believe that, again, from the very beginning, as people have said, have counted him out, they have been proven wrong. so we're not at all concerned. we're excited about what happened last night. dr. carson -- you know this, tamron. politics is a lot of showmanship. dr. carson is not a showman, he's a statesman. he's proven that over and over again and that is why we feel like in the coming days people will -- it will resonate with the people. we're just not worried at all. just want to say we recognize that we have to continue to get dr. carson out there because when he's in front of people, when he's at our rallies, actually engaging with people, that's when he's at his best and we're excited to continue to do that. >> deana bass, press secretary for bren carson's campaign, thak you for joining us from vegas this morning. nbc's hallie jackson is spending the day behind the
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scenes with marco rubio's campaign as he hits both iowa and new hampshire after last night's debate. hallie sat down with the florida republican for an exclusive one-on-one interview and pressed him on the topic of immigration, specifically where he stands on a pathway to citizenship for millions of undocumented immigrants. >> how do you run on this position knowing that it is not popular with republicans? it may help you in a general election but right now donald trump, ted cruz do better than you. >> my view on that is i personally do not believe that it is good for america to have millions of people permanently living here who can never become americans who want to be americans, who love america but just can't become americans. i personally don't think that's a good idea. i recognize that my position is not a majority position in my party, maybe even not a majority position in large parts of america. it may not be possible to do that. and we shouldn't let that stop us from doing the other things to. no matter what, even if we never reach this debate about legalizing people here or green cards or anything else, we still have to do the border security part. that part is a no-brainer.
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investor warren buffett. this set to take place in nebraska. while the republican presidential kand dacandidates going after them on and off the stage, hillary clinton says she has nothing to offer them when it comes to national security. >> waging and winning this fight will require serious leadership. shallow slogans don't add up to a strategy. promising to carpet-bomb until the desert glows doesn't make you sound strong, it makes you sound like you're in over your head. >> nbc's john yang is joining me from omaha. john, obviously when people think of warren buffett, they think of his money and where will it go? >> reporter: he's already put some of his money behind hillary clinton. we are hearing the campaign leader warm up the crowd here.
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he maxed out in his primary contributions to her campaign and has already given $25,000 to her super pa-pac. right now mrs. clinton is wrapping up a fund-raiser at another location on her way here. and when they get here, we can expect to hear them talk about tax policy, turning the page from the foreign policy she talked about yesterday. she's going to see warren buffett and raise him, warren buffett has already proposed to top rate for millionaires be raised 30% to make sure that they pay a 30% of their income in taxes. hillary clinton endorses that proposal and says she's going to go him one better. she wants to see it raised even higher and will present the proposals early next year. tamron? >> in the message from warren buffett, john, is one we have heard in campaigns past here. but what is interesting is, is
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hillary clinton going after republicans including using that line from senator cruz of carpet-bombing used against him by rubio? >>reporte >> reporter: well, this was a pre-buttal to the republican debate. she talked about ted cruz's line of making the desert glow. she talked about trump's proposals to ban muslims from coming into the country. and she also differentiated herself from the president, talking about it was necessary to destroy isis, not just contain it or degrade it. tamron? >> thank you very much, john yang in omaha. that does it for this hour of "msnbc live." i'm tamron hall. thank you so much for joining us. up next, "andrea mitchell reports" and her interview live with bernie sanders. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio.
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