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people like diana and ernestine and rebecca and stephanie are the people who get those jobs. either way, along with the republican corruption, we can credit diana duran of breaking the streak. brad winter no uh has the job. i don't know if i'm happy or sad. i have conflicting emotions. at least we can say that he probably will not end up any worse than the last secretary, and so congratulations to diana duran for helping mr. winter finally smash his way through a weird form of, i guess, sexist glass kreeling? glass floor? i don't really understand it, but well done, sir, mr. secretary. that does it tonight. see you tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> finally, one of the candidates said something very important on the republican debate stage last night. and this time, donald trump was
not the craziest candidate on that stage. >> the fight for the future of the republican party. >> i don't want to break. >> played out across the las vegas debate stage. >> most of the people were nice to me last night. it was pretty good. >> this was an inside deal. >> everybody on the stanl was attacking everybody but the top two guys. >> he has a wonderful temperament. he's just fine. don't worry about it. >> okay. >> he's a chaos candidate. and he would be a chaos president. >> i had jeb come at me. low energy. >> donald, you're not going to be able to insult your way to the presidency. >> bush may be ready to announce that he won't support trump if he wins the republican nomination. >> that's a lot of [ bleep ]. i'll tell you. >> is donald trump a serious candidate. >> i'm never eating oreos again. i'm telling you. >> someone needs to stop donald trump. >> if i become president,
believe me, you can relax, nothing is going to be happening. >> entertainers like donald trump know that they cannot go on stage with the same material night after night. that's one of the reasons why mexican immigrants have been largely replaced in trump's speeches by muslims. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapisra. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> last night, donald trump decided one of his routine he's been doing since the first republican debate had grown way too old to stay in the act. it's the something that got him boos in the first question of the first republican debate this year. >> is there anyone on stage -- and can i see hands -- who is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee
of the republican party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person? again, we're looking for your to raise your hand now. raise your hand now if you won't make that pledge tonight. mr. trump. >> donald trump made a pledge not to run as an independent, but then he constantly talked about breaking that pledge. here he is doing that last week. >> are you going to break this pledge? >> i think it's highly unlikely, unless they break the pledge to me because it's a two-way street. >> and last night, the schtick came to an end. donald trump said this. >> are you ready to reassure republicans tonight that you will run as a republican and abide by the decisions of the republicans? >> i really am. i'll be honest. i really am. >> could we just roll back that video a little bit to where the
guy asking the question actually applauds the answer? let's see, yeah. because i have never seen that before in a presidential debate. it didn't happen at the fox news debate, which was the best-run debate of all of them. it didn't happen at any of the other debates. and i just want you to pause and consider what the media would be saying right now tonight and what the republican radio talk show hosts would be say, the one that did that clapping, if one of the questioners at a democratic debate ever applauded hillary clinton's answer to a question or bernie sanders' answer. it is taken for granted now in the media that crazy stuff happens at republican debates, including now a questioner applauding a candidate's answer. you would never hear the end of it if that happened at a democratic debate. and if it did happen at a democratic debate, it would be by far the craziest thing and probably the only crazy thing that happened. because so far anyway, democrat debates have not been crazy.
republican candidates not named trump last night had a choice. try to sound as tough and crazy as trump or try to sound sane in contrast to trump. chris christie, who has no chance of becoming president or vice president decided to out-crazy everyone on the stage by saying how eager h e is to b the first president of the united states to order the shootdown of a russian plane. >> if a u.s. imposed a no-fly zone over syria and a russian plane encroached and invaded that no-fly zone, would you be prepared to shoot down that russian plane and risk war with russia? >> not only would i be prepared to do it, i would do it. a no-fly zone means a no-fly zone. >> immediately after the debate, chris matthews said correctly chris christie's apparent willingness to start world war iii should be disqualifying for the presidency, but nothing is
disqualifying for the republican presidential nomination as donald trump proves every day. trying to imitate donald trump is much harder than chris christie thinks it baz donald trump is wildly inconsistent, he's unpredictable, and he's more than willing to rip up the republican playbook. here is donald trump in the most important moment of the night. telling an audience of republicans how wrong they all were about what turned out to be the biggest american mistake of the 21st century, the iraq war. >> we've spent $4 trillion trying to topple various people that frankly, if they were there and if we could have spent that $4 trillion in the united states to fix our roads, our bridges and all of the other problems, our airports, and all of the other problems we have, we would have been a lot better off. i can tell you that right now.
>> he got applause for that. the front-runner for the republican presidential nomination delivers a complete condemnation of something his audience believed in and supported. and he gets applause for telling them how wrong they were. and in that moment, donald trump proved that last night, anyway, he wasn't the craziest candidate on that stage. joining us now, jonathan allen, political reporter and co-author of "hrc -- state secrets and the rebit of hillary clinton." also michael steel, former republican national convention chair. i have to go to the point of donald trump delivering the strongest condemnation of the iraq war maybe i've seen any presidential candidate deliver. you know, when the democrats talked about it, when president obama was talking about it in
2008 when he was running. they were very careful not to make it sound like they were saying that this was a total waste, because in that would be the total implication that soldiers died for nothing. and that's something all other candidates never wanted to go that close to that concept, but donald trump went about as far as you can. >> if you closed your eyes and sort of ignored the accent, you would think it was bernie sander, to be hobest with you. that was the intellectual consistency of what donald trump was saying. it is remarkable. you couldn't imagine someone saying that in the last election cycle, let alone eight years ago. but i do think there is an appetite among republicans to reconsider iraq. and we hear a lot of talk about, you know, being strong with isis, getting strong in resolving the syrian civil war. but underlying all of that, all of that rhetoric from the republican side of the aisle is a real rez tansy among everyone except maybe lindsay graham to commit a significant amount of u.s. armed forces into the
theatre again. and i think it's the lingering, it's the lengthering eltmentes of iraq war that's coloring that foreign policy debate. >> michael steele, rand paul's father, ron paul used to climb up there on the debate stanls, say something like that and get booed. it is fascinating to see how much has changed on this subject within republican audiences. >> yeah, lawrence. i think when you have over 4,000 men and women killed and put in harm's way, and there's nothing you can tangibly touch or wrap your head around to explain that, yeah, this is the space you ultimately get to where these ventures are more heavily scrutinized. but i think sam is absolutely right. in his analysis there. and to take it a little bit further, i would say that donald trump was probably speaking, which is why that applause was
so evident, to a larger majority or a larnler percentage of the gop than we often get credit for. the neo-cons have had the megaphone for a long time. and by that i mean certainly in the last two or three years during this administration. but when you're out and around the country, when you're talking to the family members of soldiers, when you're talking to average joes and janes, you get a very different picture and sentiment about military engagement. they want to prosecute the war on terror. let's be clear about that. but they want something that is probably a little bit closer to where you saw ted cruz, rand paul and donald trump stand last night and ben carson than where you saw the others. >> jonathan allen, it's settled. it looks like one of my predictions about donald trump is coming true. he's not going to run as an independent. you know, he was very proud of that poll showing that, you know, 68% of his supporters would support him as an
independent, which meant he would do a little bit better than ralph nader as an independent if you do the math on it. he knows the math, he's not going to do it. he made that very clear last night. the table is set, donald trump is not going to destroy the money republican party as running as an independent. he's going to destroy the republican party by getting the nomination. >> i think that's what he's saying. carrots, avocados, they're all vegetables, right? i think that's exactly what he's saying. and look, to the extent that we in the media and analysts and political strategists dismiss the fact that donald trump is running ahead of the field by a lot in national polling, we do that at our own peril and risk of our own credibility. why would he say he's going to run as an independent right now? he's the favorite for the nomination. and of course, would it be surprising if donald trump pivoted later on to another position? but i do want to add to another thing you said that's
fascinating about the iraq last night. the other end of that equation also suggests that he's not an instinctive republican, because he said he would have spent that money on infrastructure. >> yes, yes. >> he didn't say he would have given that back in tax breaks to individuals or to corporations. he didn't sound like a republican on either side of that. >> he gets applause for every word of it, though. they're not distinguishing. let's listen to what glenn beck just said on fox news about donald trump. >> if they put donald trump in -- try to put him in office, if that's what the people want, you're going to see an end to the republican party. it will just be over. there will just be nothing left. >> and sam stein, glenn beck said he simply could not vote. he couldn't vote for hillary clinton or donald trump if those are the nominees. >> maybe this question is better for the former rnc chairman. >> you're doing just fine. >> we want to torture him first before we get to him. >> this is such a bizarre
hypothetical, but i don't think it would be the end of the republican party. i do think that what you've seen is a real revulsion among 60% of the republican party to donald trump. now, the 40% that's still there that's sort of willing to risk it all, so to speak, that's a curious bunch. but, you know, you still are dealing with a majority of the party that doesn't want him. and i think if he ended up as a nominee by some weird set of circumstances, mostly premised on a crowded field of establishment candidates, i still think the republicans will try to figure out a way without dismantling themselves entirely. >> rand paul seems to be pretty much in agreement on this with glenn beck. let's listen to what chris matthews got from him on this. >> i pledge to support the nominee. i'm a republican -- >> if it's trump? >> i pledge to support the nominee. but i can tell you that it won't be with a great deal of enthusiasm. i can tell you that i'm very concerned that he would be the nominee. i think he would be wiped out in a landslide. >> so michael steele, it sounds
like rand paul would tweet, i endorse donald trump and then never say another word about it for the rest of the campaign. >> right. or just go off in the corner. either way. look, this sort of gloom and doom about what happens to the party if donald trump is the nominee, you also run the similar scenario with any number of candidates up there, where they polarize in a way -- ted cruz, for example. as i said to some of the establishment folks out in vegas. let me get this straight. you're not happy with the guy who's carrying 40% of the vote, but the guy who's trailing behind him, you hate him as well. so, you know, there is this new reality that's settling in for this party. i have to be honest with you, it's long overdue, lawrence. this is something a lot of us have been warning about, talking about, trying to avoid by moving the party in a different direction, to take on and begin to deal substantively with concerns the base has. that hasn't happened.
the base is saying we've got this and we will take this to the next level. we haven't decided what that is yet, but the it's going to be instructive, i think, for those who want to lead this party that they cannot continue to do so the way that they have. >> so michael, your official position tonight is that the party will survive even if donald trump is the nominee. >> y e. >> the dream will live on. >> the dream will live on. the sun will rise and people will go out and vote. >> thank you both for joining us tonight. coming up, bill o'reilly discovers just how difficult it is to defend his friend donald trump. and malawiyousafzai will get the last word.
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♪ ♪ grow old with me ♪ let us share what we see ♪ just you and i ♪ ♪ grow old with me ♪ let us share what we see ♪ and oh the best it could be ♪ just you and i ♪ >> did ted cruz reveal classified information during the debate last night? senator marco rubio sure made it sound that way. >> what he knows is that the old
program covered 20% to 30% of phone numbers to search for terrorists. the new program covers nearly 100%. >> let me be very careful in answering this because i don't think national television in front of 15 million people is the place to discus classified information. >> the republican chairman of the senate intelligence committee, senator richard burr of north carolina told reporter, quote, i'm having my staff look at the transcripts. anytime you deal with number, the question is, is that classified or not? or is there an open source reference to it? chairman burr had his staff do enough work. they ended all the speculation with a one-sentence statement. the committee is not investigating anything said during last night's republican presidential debate. and that appears to be the last word on that. up next, bill o'reilly defended donald trump last night.
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that there's something called the geneva convention we're going to have to pull out of. it would defy every norm that is america. so when you ask yourself, whoever you are that think you rear going to support donald trump. do you believe in the constitution in are you going to change the constitution? >> mr. trump. >> so they can kill us but we can't till them? that's what you're saying. >> he says i'm going to kill the family members. he says i'm going to take them out or i'm going to treat them rough. you know what i'm talking about. it's all -- >> no, i don't know what you're talk about. >> let me explain it to you, doc. >> what does take them out mean? >> it's designed to get votes. it's designed to get people
motionally allied with him. >> so o'reilly's defense of his pal is his pal doesn't mean what he's saying. so tonight, bill o'reilly discovered defending his friend donald trump just is not as easy as he thought. >> now, when you say you're going to take out -- we discussed this last week. you're going to take out the families of the terrorists. now, i didn't take that literally. like donald trump is going to get elected and put out hits on women and children. i didn't take it literally. but some people did. and you must know that. >> i am looking at families where they know exactly what the husband is going to do and they want to fly planes into the world trade center. when they want to blow up planes and blow up all sorts of shopping areas and other things and cause problem, the families know what's going on, bill. believe me. >> but you're not going to assassinate them. you might arrest them. you're not going to assassinate them, are you? >> they care more about their families -- bill, they care more
about their families than they care about themselves. >> so you're going to assassinate them? >> when a wife knows exactly what the husband is going to do, and the husband goes up and he knocks out 200 people -- >> you would bomb her? >> i would do pretty severe stuff as far as i'm concerned. >> joining us now, david frum, senior editor for "the atlantic e"and john allen is still with us. how is that the front-runner is up there talking about killing the families. >> well, you began the show by pointing out that donald trump had this amazingly tough anti-iraq statement. and now you're going in this segment to this amazingly tough statement against terrorists. trump is reorganizing from external to internal. the women call the police to trace the call, the policeman tells her, the call is coming from inside the house.
back in 2001 and 2002, when i was in the bush administration, i was advocating the iraq war, we thought of terrorism as an external phenomenon. it was something that started in saudi arabia, the middle east, and came and struck the united states or europe from outside. in the age of isis, with the terrorists coming from france, from belgium and britain and san bernadino, inside, trump is making an argument, and it's overtate stat overstated, it's theatrical, but its core idea is powerful. but you know what, the problem isn't what's going on in syria, the problem is arising from within. and it's overstated. it's all theatrical. it's all irrational, but it's got a kel nef of truth that we're going to go start a ground war in syria to protoprotect belgium. >> it seems absolutely clear what donald trump means is killing the families, especially the wives.
there's no, take them out, it wasn't just let's take them out for a walk. >> it wasn't let's take them to the refugee camps. i think donald trump is essentially arnl chee bunker. he's the guy sitting in his living room, watching television, getting angry about terrorism that thinks well, what's the way to stop these guys? take out something they care about. they don't care about themselves, let's kill their families. they say that to the people in their household. they don't advocate that as american public policy. and obviously donald trump, as rand paul suggested, would be in violation of the squen knee va convention, would be in violation of who i think most of us think we are as a people. it's something to shout at your television screen if you're really angry, not something to advocate in a presidential debate. >> let's listen to more about what he said last night about the families. he'll talking about the bush administration here.
he's claiming that the bush administration got girl frinfri of the 9/11 attackers on to an airplane to saudi arabia after the 9/11 attacks so they could watch their boyfriends, as he put it on tv, from saudi arabia. let's listen to this. >> when you had the world trade center go, people were put into planes that were friends, family girlfriends, and they were sent back for the most part to saudi arabia. they knew what was going on. they went home and wanted to watch their boyfriends on television. i would be very, very firm with families. and frankly, that will make people think because they may not care much about their lives, but they do care, believe it or not, about their families' lives. >> so dafd, did the bush administration put the girlfriends of the terrorist attackers on the plane to get them back to saudi arabia. >> what's weird about that is the true story would be bad enough.
the true story was that what the bush administration did was it found a lot of prominent members of saudi upper class families living in the united states, there was concern that there might be some kind of backlash, and so at a time when most americans could not fly, these members of these elite saudi families were returned to saudi arabia. so that's -- you can make an indictment out of that. but the suggestion that they were in any way implicated in this terrible crime, that's crazy. and also untrue. or uncrazy because untrue or untrue because crazy. that's just not right. and i don't know why you need to put that extra layer of icing on the cake. you could make a powerful enough complaint with just the truth. >> he's one of those salesmen who's never content with what he's got. he always has to embellish, which is the kindest word you could possibly attach to it, whatever it is he's talking about. >> well, and that goes back, i think, to something jonathan was just saying a minute ago about
archie bunker. the thing that makes trump potent, dangerous, but also interesting is he's not just archie bunker. he has archie bunker reactions, but he puts his finger on the point. sometimes he has the bully tactic. jeb bush, he found exactly point to hurt jeb bush. he dug into that. if he continues on the stage and he's there with ted cruz or maybe against hillary clinton, he'll lay his finger on that vulnerable ploy. and that's what he does in this discussion of terrorism. the vulnerable point is the united states has made enormous investment in terrorism in the middle east and has been comparatively negligent about dealing with terrorism inside europe europe, inside the united states. so that's true. what he has to say about it is beyond unhelpful. but his analysis has some truth. >> david frum and jonathan allen, thank you both for joining me tonight. coming up, republicans have been
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impressionable youth and watching the media talking about how they're masterminds. they shouldn't be using the word master minds. these are thug, these are terrible people in isis, not master minds. we have to change it from every standpoint. but we should be using our brilliant people, our most brilliant minds to figure a way that isis cannot use the internet. >> there is, of course, no evidence in that statement that donald trump actually understands what the internet is. the rest of the republican candidates who actually have a chance of getting the nomination cling to the belief that isis can be bombed away and no one wants to drop more bombs on them than ted cruz. >> to be clear, senator cruz, would you carpet bomb raqqah, the isis capital where there are a lot of civil yapiancivilians? yes or no? >> would carpet bomb where there
are troops. the object isn't to level a city. the object is to kill the isis terrorists. listen, isis is gaining strength because the perception is that they're winning. and president obama fuels that perception. that will change when militants across the globe see that when you join isis, that you are giving up your life. you are signing your death warrant. and we need a president who's focused on defeating every single isis terrorist. >> joining us now is graham wood, contributing editor for "the atlantic" and the a fellow on the council for foreign relations and lieutenant colonel anthony sheaffer. donald trump just wants to use ur most brilliant people, his words, to figure a way that isis cannot use the internet.
what does he need to know about how that might or might not work? >> good luck with that. >> they self-replicate, too. even there are so many it would be impossible to track them all, to stop them all, to find out who they are. >> colonel sheaffer, that's really interesting what his conception of the internet is. it sounds like he think there are on/off switches somewhere and there's one that has the word syria on it, you can just switch it, bang, there's no internet in syria or i don't know. i don't know whether he thinks it's geographic. maybe there's a muslim button you can press that turns off the internet for any muslims in the world. he actually said today in his rally, when he saw syrian
refugees and he saw some of them had cell phone, he just couldn't understand why anyone in syria would have a cell phone. why would they have a cell phone. as if, if you've got a cell phone there, you must be in isis. >> they've gone from land lines to cell phones. pretty much everybody in the world if you have a cell phone or like device has an internet. everything we do now has a digital connection to it. and frankly as an intelligence officer, i'm appalled that any senior politician who reese going to set policy would do something as asinine as try to deprive an enemy of access because two things come out of it -- intelligence. you can track them, you can link thm e. it's an important thing for us to let them kind of flow through. and secondly, when you have the internet and you have them doing things, that allows you then to go about figuring out where they are at physically. we can track things back physically to where they are at.
i think the whole idea here is that we would just cut things off. it's not only unrealistic, it's not helpful if you're going to go about defeating that target set on a basis where you're effectively going after them. >> and graham, ted cruz's carpet bombing, as soon as wolf blitzer actually started to describe to him what carpet bombing is, he said well, no, it wouldn't be to level a city. that's what carpet bombing is for. for leveling a city. >> if you're going to carpet bomb raqqah or isis, it means killing huge number of innocent people it. means making america muchless safe and committing war crimes. what he's actually describing, if it's actually targeting isis, then that's what's happen right now. that's what's happening with proxies on the ground in iraq and syria, and it's actually having some effect. i don't think that most of the gop candidates would like to admit it. but the isis territory has been rolled back ever so slowly. but so far it's working and
that's something that i think the obama administration probably needs to get a bit more credit for. >> colonel sheaffer, your reaction to the carpet bombing idea? >> my problem with this comment and others made last night, lawrence, the fact that sun su once said tactics before strategy. you don't need politicians especially the president trying to make essentially call plays on the battlefield calls from the white house. it didn't work out well with lyndon baines johnson in vietnam. it will not work out with this generation of politicians. but to be clear, the president's job is to set conditions for success. it's not to pick the tactics that the guys in the field have to do. that's one of the flaws here. everybody was like on a playground trying to basically outdo the other on who's going to be more macho in trying to go after isis. we' got to do like an arab nato, we've got to enable them.
military is part of it. but it's not the most important piece. we have to figure out how we settle the piece, bring stability to the region after we defeat isis militarily. politicians should be focusing on the big picture, not the tactics. >> graham wood, and colonel anthony sheaffer, thank you very much for joining me tonight. really appreciate it. coming up, a hung jury in the trial of one of the officers in the freddie gray case in baltimore. first officer to go on trial. will there be a retrial 1234? ♪ now more than ever america's electricity comes from cleaner- burning natural gas.
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reckless endangerment. he pleaded not guilty. seven black and five white jurors deliberated for more than 16 hours over three days but could not reach a verdict on any of the charges. tomorrow, the prosecution and defense will be back in court to discuss a new trial date. joining us now, andrew levy, a lawyer in baltimore and a professor at the university of maryland school of law. also with us, douglas ganzler, former attorney general of maryland. what do you make of the hung jury today? o. >> i think it's a win for both sides. for officer porter, it was it was a win because he wasn't found guilty. if there was ever a change of venue motion granted it would be this one. this week there was a letter written by the superintendent of baltimore city warning kids and families about what would map if the verdict went the wrong way.
>> this is an officer that was doing his job. he had 150 other people put in vans. you don't see the riot right now. justice really was established in this case. race was taken out in this case that uh you had an african-american defendant, you had an african-american judge, you had an african-american victim here, an afterman american jury. i think it was a win-win-win for everybody. >> andrew levy, i was a little surprised from this distance that aonly deliberated from 16 hours. i've seen jurors deliberate for 16 hours over two days and have
tougher work days than this jury actually had to have them go a week, go five days before they're considered a hung jury. but that's from this distance. how did it look at a closer inspection. you're not the only one that's not surprised. there's a possibility that this jury is not going to be able to reach a verdict. but the idea that the judge let them go home for the second day, both people expected that he would expect them to deliberate for at least another day if not till the end of the week. >> it is possible the judge knows things that we don't know that will never be revealed about this. >> the timing is different in each case. once they send a note back that
says they're hopelessly deadlocked. very, very well respected judge. he gets that first letter. he then sends them back. even though they, the jury believe, oh, we materialing the judge we can't reach a conclusion. we're going to get to go home. the judge says no, think about it more, spend more time, come back tomorrow, get a night of sleep and do it again. when a second letter comes back that expresses a hopeless deadlylocked situation, the judge has to make a decision. if he would ask them to come back yet again, it's almost coercion to get them to reach one decision or another. they're deadlocked again. and they'll move to the other officers in the queue. >> every mistrial is an invaluable experience for the lawyers that have to try this case again. they basically just rehearsed the whole thing in front of a real jury. which side do you think has learned the most from what
happened in that courtroom? can you tell which side has an advantage based on what they've learned going into the next trial? >> to use a sports metaphor, both sides look at the tape and see what they can learn from what went right, what went wrong. the conventional wisdom is that the state benefits the most from a retrial, that the state -- the preview of the dpfs case, gains more than the other way around. but you can find -- that's anecdotal. and the next case could result exactly like this one. this was a compelling case. this was first of all a difficult case for the prosecution, and you had a defendant who was personable, who had an inspiring life story. he did very well on the witness stand. he was not a police officer who had a history of disciplinary infractions. and so this was a guy, who at least some members of that jury
were not prepared to convict based on this record. and that's not going to change. >> i agree with that, andy. and what's different about this particular case, though, is you have five other defendants in the same case that actually literally got to watch the tape as it was happening. now you have a second trial which is the most difficult in the sense you're going after the guy -- the poor guy that just drives the van and who also grew up in baltimore in the same neighborhood and was overcharged in the sense of second degree murder, coming up next. >> thank you both for joining us. really appreciate it. coming up, malala yousafzai versus donald trump. it was bound to happen. we call it share the love. during our share the love event, get a new subaru, and we'll donate $250 to those in need. bringing our total donations to over sixty-five million dollars.
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teacher burned alye in that incident and the friend with whom i was playing. i was surrounded by the dead bodies of those friends. so it was the horrifying experience of my life. and i still have nightmares. ahmed was shot in the arm. his brother was killed. as president obama noted in his prime time address to the nation, the vast majority of terrorism victims around the world are muslim, like ahmed and his brother. and malala. donald trump made no exception for them when he said this -- >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> when asked about donald trump's comments, malala said,
well, that's really tragic that you hear these comments which are full of hatred, full of this ideology of being dis-christmas th discriminative against others. she discussed more of this with britain's channel 4. >> there are also very wild things being said by politicians about islam and about muslims. how do you feel about that? how can that be dealt with? >> i can just highlight one thing, the more you speak against islam and against all muslims, the more terrorists it will create. so it's important that whatever politicians say, whatever media say, they should be really, really careful about it. if your intention is to stop terrorism, do fnot try to blame the whole population of muslims for it because it cannot stop terrorism. it will create more terrorists. it's important they try to show harmony towards muslims and say
they're accepted in this world. they deserve the right to live and they are normal people. >> malala yousafzai gets tonight's last word. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> the family's not angry, no one else should be angry. >> a hung jury. a trial for first police officer in the death of freddy gray results in a mistrial. we'll go to baltimore for the latest. then about last night. >> about last night -- >> donald trump and jeb bush keep hammering. but will it change anything? >> he's not a serious candidate. he gets his news from the shows. >> plus will republican tough talk keep america safe? >> we're already in world war iii. >> you would carpet bomb where isis is, not the city. >> the patient is in critical condition and will not be cured by political correctness.