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hi, everyone. good afternoon. i'm kate snow. we have breaking news out of california. federal prosecutors there expected to file criminal charges against enrique marquez. he's the friend and former neighbor of san bernardino shooter syed farook. marquez bought the two assault rifles used in the december 2nd attack. i want to turn right now to nbc news justice correspondent pete williams who has been tracking this story all day. >> we said this morning that the charges could be filed as early as today and all during the day so far the lawyers have been going over this deciding whether to do this today or tomorrow or perhaps next week even. but now it appears that they are going to go ahead with it today. we understand that he'll be arrested here shortly if he hasn't been already. so that would be a sign that they are going to go ahead and file these charges today. now, these will be the first charges connected with the shooting, but we don't know exactly what they are yet. we haven't seen them. they haven't been filed in court. they're under seal. and we don't know whether these
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are gun charges related to his purchase of the two assault weapons in 2011 and 2012 or something about these attacks that we understand he discussed with syed farook back in 2012 and failing to warn the police about that or something else. officials have told us that he has said he did not know about the plans to conduct the san bernardino shootings. so we'll have to wait here and see precisely what these charg s s turn out to be, kate, but these will be the first charges. i would think since it's still just after noon on the west coast, there's a pretty good chance if he's charged and arrested he would have his initial appearance in federal court before the endoof the day out there. >> i was going to ask what's the typical protocol. detained first and then booked in or how would that go? >> the law says that you have to be brought before a magistrate within 48 hours of charges being filed, but on a day like this when they're going to apparently do the arrest early enough and
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it's not like they don't know where he's been. so that part can be pretty fast. they would take him to the courthouse, appear before a magistrate. that hearing is a very straight forward and pro forma thing. he's advised of the charges and the magistrate will make sure he has a lawyer. he doesn't enter a plea. then at some point later they would conduct a bond hearing to see whether he should be held pending a trial and where it goes from here. but i would think that this would be the procedure here. nothing for sure on that but that's the best guess. >> pete williams, we'll keep an eye on it. out to los angeles where nbc's morgan radford is standing by outside that federal courthouse that pete just mentioned where we expect we might at some point see marquez enter. morgan, what do you know? >> okay, we're actually standing in redlands right outside the courthouse, and we're expecting to see enrique marquez at any moment because, as you heard pete mention, we've heard word that an arrest has been made. and kate, this is a pretty major
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development in this case because in is the first criminal charge to be brought against anyone in this shooting. and i just want to take you back for a minute and really paint the portrait of who we've learned this young man to be. he's a young man who is friends with syed farook. and he's described as shy, even reserved. he worked at the local market and walmart as a security guard. he had dreams of going into the navy and even losing weight to go to boot camp. but he married a woman who was a russian immigrant, and that woman's sister was married to farook's brother. and investigators are also looking into the nature of this marriage because neighbors and friends say that the two didn't even interact. in fact, when i went to enrique marquez's home in his neighborhood just last week a neighbor said he acted odd. she saw him at the walmart and after spending two years of dropping off her son he pretended he didn't know her. odd behavior being described here.
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we're following this as new developments arrive. we're standing outside the courthouse waiting for him any moment. >> just to clarify, i want to make sure we're all on the same page here. pete williams did not say he had been arrested. we think that it may happen today. but at this point nbc news is not reporting whether he'd been arrested yet. now to the very latest on national security. and the process that allows foreigners into this country. the u.s. government has launched a new review of the k-1 visa category. that's known as the fiance visa. the program came under scrutiny following the san bernardino attack because shooter tashfeen malik was allowed into the u.s. on a k-1 visa. she was also on seeshl media. but fbi director james comey has said there's no evidence of public postings that might have raised any red flags. the visa screening process does not include a formal check of applicants' social media accounts, such a policy was considered several years ago.
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and that's where msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber comes with an exclusively obtained memo from 2011 that proposed checking social media, but it wasn't implemented. they joins me now with more. >> that's right. what we learned for the first time today that as far back as 2010 and '11 the homeland security department had high level discussions and a formal proposal to authorize access to social media for fraud, crime and national security concerns. that was not adopted. i spoke to dhs officials about all this. and they emphasize that it was not the policy that was adopted, but they are moving towards trying to do this kind of social media screening. we heard from them saying on the fiance program we are going to look for social media. i have breaks on this, folks have been watching and seen this play throughout the day. but a brand-new update. multiple members in the house on
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both parties cited this report saying that msnbc has report this and this dhs memo is there and in a bipartisan chorus basically raising concerns about why this wasn't done earlier. representative ted lew, a democrat of california saying this should be started tomorrow, a more wide social media review. jason chaffetz led off the committee hearing saying this is the report that msn brbc found this is the 2011 memo and this is the wrong call. hindsight is 20/20 and dhs officials continue to say to me that they'll look at anything that can keep us safer, but this is complex stuff. but again this was frozen in 2011. this was not taken up a long time ago when a lot of people inside dhs said it should have been. >> after a year of review. i know your reporting is this went through, not just one memo and that was it. it went through a year-long process. president obama today spoke about the refugee vetting process in general. i want to listen to what he
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said. >> any refugee coming to the united states, some of them victims of terrorism themselves, will continue to get the most intensive scrutiny of any arrival. they go through up to two years of vetting including biometric screening. and the review that i ordered into the fiance visa program under which the female terrorist in san bernardino came here is ongoing. >> so how do you take whether we are or how do you explain where we are right now. and they've suspended the k-1 visa -- they haven't suspended it. they're going to review it. but people are entering the united states every single day. >> absolutely. we spoke to some security experts who say, look, you just can't start over from scratch and do this kind of review on everyone. it would grind the program to a halt. what needs to happen is a meeting of law and security. it's figuring out how do you advance this so people can use
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everything at their disposal? people are understandably confused that something regular employers do, social media. >> something i do with my children. >> is not being done. as you carefully emphasized and i've been reporting all day, no one is suggesting this is a prevention or relevant to the san bernardino attacks in the sense that there wasn't public facebook postings, but nobody wants the next anecdote or the next warning to go unheeded. the question is how do you do this and still there are privacy concerns about the part of the vetting that isn't for foreigners and for people abroad but affects people here. dhs trying to it is striking that years ago they couldn't have moved forward faster. >> do we know why? do we have any evidence of the on side of the people who said, no, we're not going to implement this? >> when i asked dhs about that, current officials, they decline to really get into it. when i asked a former official i heard speculation. i'm not in a place where i'm going to report that speculation
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because, unlike the document that we have that shows this was under review, we don't have the reason. we don't know why. it's a big question. we do know that privacy law and some other antiquated laws and guidance makes this difficult, makes it complex. i wouldn't say -- and what we heard from brand-new house members in that testimony in the hearing just today, they aren't saying that that means it's impossible. >> ari melber, fascinating reporting. thank you so much. >> you got it. >> i'll walk to the other side of the newsroom and go to business and technology correspondent olivia sterns who has been looking at the reaction in the social media world, the world of business and people who run these sites and what they say about what they can and can't do in terms of monitoring our speech on social media. >> on the back of ari's story we decided to reach out to all the major social media companies and see how they actually go about trying to surveil for material that should be raising a red flag. and the truth is, kate, their responses, everybody's basically pursuing a policy that's very
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reactive. they're not proactive. we've been in touch with facebook, twitter and youtube. twitter they send us their blanket statement. violent threats and the promotion of terrorism deserve no place on twitter and our rules make that clear. we have teams around the world actively investigating reports of rule violations and they work with entities around the world. fine, i've been given that statement before, weeks ago, months ago. we went back to them to clarify. no social platforms monitor content proactively including twitter. so they don't patrol their own -- >> proactively. >> they wait for users to flag disturbing content to them. facebook responded with a similar statement. we have a community of more than 1.5 billion people. they're very good at letting us know when something doesn't look right. they're crowd sourcing this. there's no war room at twitter monitoring tweets coming out of raqqah. >> but if you're in a community -- i'm hypothesizing.
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if you're in a community of like-minded people and issuing threats or saying that you're affiliated with isis and your friends are the only ones seeing it and they feel the same way, how would facebook ever find out about t? >> they wouldn't. they're leaning on users to report this stuff. that's one other problem with that legislation that was introduced last week by senators dianne feinstein and richard burrow calling on twitter to be legally required to pass it on to law enforcement. they're only from people who are thinking -- who don't share isis' views. >> olivia sterns, thank you for looking into that. i'm joined by mike craft, counterterrorism consultant and 20-year veteran of the state department counterterrorism office. mike is the co-author of "u.s. government counterterrorism, a guide to who does what" and he's working on another book right now, "the evolution of u.s.
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counterterrorism policy." nice to have you with us. >> thank you for having me. >> mr. kraft, you've been listening to the discussion we just had, you heard ari melber's reporting, let me start with the k-1 visa program which the administration said they're now going to investigate. they're going to look into the policies and procedures that are being used. what can they do at this point to make it a better system? >> well, first of all, they should be looking at all sources. i find it very hard to understand why they did not look at social media and other sources rather than just checking the data banks. and frankly, i think part of the problem goes back to when dhs was involved in the visa checking. this is implemented as part of the homeland security act of 2002 which for some reason congress decided that dhs would be involved instead of state department counselor officers.
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and obviously a bit biased having worked for the state department but even the young counselor officers are used to looking at ways of getting information. >> in terms of what we've just been reporting and what ari melber discovered, this memorandum that was written in 2011 reviewed for a year and then didn't go anywhere. did you have any insight on that? did you -- have you ever heard of it before today? >> my guess is the review process took so long because they probably bounced it around various agencies including the lawyers in dealing with the privacy issue. and my take on this is if they're worried about privacy, if a person is applying for a visa, they should be required to waive the privacy requirement. they should make it clear that it is part of the price for trying to get a visa into the united states, that they should allow the applicant to let the state department and dhs look at
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their socialed me why and other sources. >> but this is so hard for nonstate department employees to understand or nonhomeland security folks is why would it be a privacy issue in first place? people post things on social media. employers look at that. parents look at social media all the time. you do not have an expectation of privacy when you're putting something on facebook. >> well, i'm not a lawyer, but i find it hard to understand, too. we really need to look at all the sources there. there just may be some misapprehensions or bending over backwards to protect privacy. but we're not talking about american citizens, we're talking about people who want to enter the united states. i think there's perhaps a bit of inertia. it wasn't regarded as a real major problem when it first arose a couple years ago. >> michael kraft, thank you so much for being with us today. >> thank you. >> ahead of his trip tomorrow to
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i want to repeat what my team just told me. at this moment our intelligence and counterterrorism professionals do not have any specific and credible information about an attack on the homeland. that said, we have to be vigilant. >> that was president obama today giving an update from the national counterterrorism center in washington, d.c.
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that visit part of president obama's continuing efforts to reassure an anxious nation following the attack in san bernardino. and tomorrow we've learned the president will hold a news conference ahead of his visit to san bernardino. let me bring in nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing. chris, this seems like a tour that he's on to just constantly be reassuring the american people. >> i think in the wake of san bernardino we saw on that sunday he gave that national address. it didn't have quite the impact the white house had hoped for. he was at the pentagon at the beginning of the week getting an update on the military side of the fight against terror. today it was the intelligence side with surrounding himself with all the leaders, all the heads of various intelligence agencies. he understands that it is a very nervous public, so many people who will be going to airports, who will be in large crowds. he basically said it's really important that we not give into fear. it was also an opportunity for him to say thanks to the folks
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who will be working over the holidays to continue that intelligence work. take a listen a little more to what the president had to say. >> i want every american to know, as you go about the holidays, as you travel and gather with family and the kids open their presents and as you ring in the new year, that you've got dedicated patriots working around the clock all across the country to protect us all. oftentimes they're doing so by sacrificing their own holidays and their own time with families. >> yeah, and he mentioned, look, i think it's good for all of us to remember that there's nobody better in the world at doing what they do than they are. in addition to that, kate, you mentioned the president's press conference, and the white house thinks they've got a lot to tout here. josh earnest did at the top of the briefing today. it was a year ago that the president announced the opening with cuba, the iran nuclear deal happened this year, he turned
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down the xl pipeline. but terror has clearly dominated the last half of this year, certainly this last quarter. and you can bet that tomorrow there will be a lot of questions about that moving forward. >> after that press conference tomorrow, then he heads on to san bernardino, right? what do we expect there. >> yeah. sometimes there are these large memorial services. that is not the case there. he'll only be on the ground a couple of hour, but he'll meet veryvictims of the terror attacks. always a very difficult role to be consoler in chief, but as josh earnest mentioned today while loss is never easy, of course, around the holidays, there will be that gaping hole for many of them in their lives and so be a chance for the president just to extend his sympathies but also one of the things he did learn today was he got the latest update from intelligence officials about that investigation. i'm sure he'll be sharing as much of that information as they
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would like or as seems appropriate. he certainly will reiterate to them the commitment of this country to get to the bottom of it and the work of the intelligence agencies that will continue over the holidays, kate. >> chris jansing at the white house, thanks so much. defense secretary ash carter is in the hot seat a bit today after admitting he occasionally used his personal e-mail for work-relt work-related matters. he's the second top security official in the obama administration to use personal e-mail. you all remember hillary clinton did so when she was secretary of state. carter spoke about the controversy just a short time ago from iraq. >> this is a mistake i made with respect to e-mail, entirely my mistake, entirely on me. first of all, let me begin by saying, in fact, as secretary of defense, i don't use e-mail very
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much. i certainly don't use it for classified information and any work-related e-mail is preserved as is required. but what i was doing that i shouldn't have been doing until a few months ago, which meant i was doing it longer than i should have. i shouldn't have been, obviously. is using my iphone which has my personal e-mail on it, to send messages to my office staff -- administrative messages, not classified information. and all of this is preserved. >> nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski joins me. it begs the question, was he not watching the news and seeing all the stories about his counterpart hillary clinton who was being criticized for doing the very same thing? >> that's one of the big questions being asked here around the pentagon. not only is he considered the
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champion of cyber security here at the pentagon, and he violated the department's own rules for cyber security, but if this happened in his first month after being sworn in as secretary of defense, the very next month the scandal involving former secretary of state hillary clinton's exclusive use of personal e-mails while she was secretary of state blew up on capitol hill, and he continued to use his personal e-mails for another seven months. so the big question is how could this happen? there's a pretty quick reaction from capitol hill. many asking the same question including the chairman of the senate armed services committee john mccain, who is asking how could this have happened. because he is, in fact, in charge of cyber security here at the pentagon. one of the most critical defense issues for dod and the military.
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and the house armed services committee is now asking for a full blown investigation by the dod inspector general into carter's use of personal e-mails as secretary of defense, but going back to when he was deputy secretary of defense some years ago to figure out what he was doing with his e-mails then, kate. >> all right, jim miklaszewski at the pentagon, thanks. >> all right. >> congress is working on a trillion dollar spending bill including medical funding for 9/11 first responders. coming up we'll speak with a battalion chief directly affected by that bill. this is the one place we're not afraid to fail. some of these experiments may not work. but a few might shape the future. like turning algae into biofuel... technology for capturing co2 emissions... ...and cars twice as efficient as the average car today. ideas exxonmobil scientists are working on to make energy go further... matter how many tries it takes.
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major role in getting this funded. he was tireless in his advocacy on capitol hill and you may have seen him on late-night tv the past week. let me bring in luke russert. luke, is it a done deal or not quite yet? >> it looks to be okay, kate, but there are some final hurdles that negotiators on both sides or should i say rather vote counters on both sides are going to have to overcome. let me draw those out for you a little bit. there are three things that are proving problematic. number one, within this legislation is a ban on the exportation of crude oil. that's being repealed. now, republicans are very much in favor of that, but a lot of democrats do not like that because they say it will increase fracking. that's something they have to stomach. but there's nothing detaping to the puerto rican debt crisis. there are a lot of puerto ricans in the hispanic caucus, comes from florida, new york, north
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carolina, they're uncomfortable with there being no direct language regarding that in this bill. on the republican side there's a big increase in foreign worker visas. senator jeff sessions of alabama said he'll vote against it because of that. a lot of folks who say anything going down that line is amnesty, they're not in favor of it. however, i would say on the house side it really is a question of how many democrats are going to support it. i asked nancy pelosi how she felt about the upcoming vote. this is what she told me. are you confidence that you can provide the votes necessary to get this over the finish line? >> no. we just are talking it through. the members are -- there's concern about how this all came together. we never really met. it was done at the staff level. >> now, nevertheless, pelosi does support the bill, but she is the best whip counter there is now. if she's not totally confident
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and so many don't like the overall budget number, might be a little bit tight. >> not what some were hoping for, luke russert, particularly those who were advocating for the james zidroga act. i want to turn to battalion chief gene kielty. he was a 9/11 first responder. he's still obviously an active duty firefighter. you're now the fourth first responder i've had on this program talking about this same money. you had to go to capitol hill. you lobbied, right? >> yes. you just heard nancy pelosi say we think it's in this giant omnibus spending bill, but she's not positive we have the votes tomorrow. >> when we were talking to the members in congress up there, there was a lot of support saying they had the votes in both the house and the senate.
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they were trying to attach to the transportation bill and it got pulled at the last minute. i was positive about my cancer, i'm positive things will do the right thing even though it's attached to this as well. >> tell me about your cancer. >> last year around may of last year, i was having some stomach problems. i went to my doctor. and after about a week or two, they did some tests and i was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and i had a tumor on my pancreas. i had to tell my department because they're the once who regulate how i operate. they were very supportive. our chief medical officer dr. kelly put me immediately on medical leave and said we're going to get you ready for a program. >> so the money that we're talking about has, i assume, been helping you through treatment all this time. >> it took about a month, from what i understand, the medical office for the fire department had to submit the paperwork to
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the federal government. they reviewed my case and determined one month later that i was entitled to be compensated through the zadroga bill. >> because it was linked to your work on 9/11. >> i was captain of ten engine back at the time. we were down there all the whole time and until i got promoted in 2003 i was still down in manhattan. >> we brought photos. you lost men down there. >> this is my lieutenant, greg atlas. he was working for me that day. and he was in engine ten. this was lieutenant steve harrell. he was -- haskell, i'm sorry. he was in the truck and he was covering a lieutenant that was filling in a vacation spot. and the third person is one of my senior guys paul pancine. he was with engine 26. we never recovered his remains until months later. we lost three other people from the firehouse. and you know, it's really kind of moving and stuff because all
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the years i was down there, i never expected anything like this. then 14 years later i didn't expect to be hit with cancer where i am now. i was expecting to retire from the job in a few years and enjoy my retirement. it is a change of lifestyle, i have to tell you the zadroga bill is what made me able to not worry about bills. >> for those families that lost people, they were given compensation, too. >> they should be under the victim compensation component. >> if this goes forward tomorrow, if this giant spending budget bill gets passed, they're going to be renewing the zadroga act for quite a while. it's going to extend through 2090, the health care portion. so it's good for you, right? i mean, this is what you've been asking for. >> yes, the medical coverage is really the primary importance. as you all know medical coverage never goes down. it only goes up. it cost 99 cents ten years ago is now $5 and so is the mekd kags and any of the services
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that go up. and the cancer hospitals are doing a fantastic job. i'm in sloan but there are other hospitals that do the same work and they're so good at it. but it's a cost factor and it's a big cost factor. as i said, i was very fortunate to be able to take advantage of it. my condition has changed drastically from last year. my tumor was removed. i was given a clean bill of health but i'm on constant maintenance. >> you told me you're going in tomorrow for another checkup. and let's all hope it will be a clean bill of health. >> this will be my three-month c.a.t. scan. it want to get two or three before i feel comfortable knowing it won't come back. >> gene we hope for you that everything is well as well. thank you for coming in. >> thank you, kate. vladimir putin paying close attention to donald trump's campaign. why the russian leader is weighing in. redid you say 97?97! yes. you know, that reminds me of geico's 97% customer satisfaction rating.
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and i've been a little bit deviivisive in the sense that i been hitting people hard. >> a little bit, yeah. can you see ted cruz is scared of you? >> no, i don't think so. >> i think he is. >> you do? okay. >> i think he's very, very careful. are there too many candidates? >> yes. >> should they reality style eliminate someone each week? >> you have guys like pataki where he has zero, lindsey graham with zero. people should get out. i don't think it's good for -- i don't know what they're doing. >> trump discussing his rivals on kimmel. russian president vladimir putin who was asked about the gop front-runner in moscow. >> joining me now katy tur who covers the trump campaign. we're lucky enough to have her in new york for five hours. >> just for a few minutes.
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>> keeping up all right? putin talking about donald trump and everybody knows donald trump keeps saying that they're going to have this great relationship if he becomes president. what's with the bromance? >> the campaign's certainly happy about it because it makes them look like they'll be able to work with vladimir putin. but i think that they're just very similar personalities. you have somebody who is an outsized personality in russian and the people of russia love him and donald trump has that outsized personality and his supporters believe he'll be able to fix anything. maybe we'll see him riding on the back of a horse. >> without a shirt on, right? mm-hmm. there's been a lot of talk about trump and an independent bid and the other night after the debate he tried to quikind of quash th and say, no, i'm with the republican party. politico is writing it woot be easy to reverse. >> fascinating read in politico about how he could get a third party run. the rnc and gop sources behind
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closed doors will tell you that in order to push back on donald trump, if they're going to do it, they're going to have to wait for this perfect timing. when he can't get on the ballot or he misses ballot deadlines for independent run and party, he may be saying it now, but i certainly wouldn't put it past him to change his mind. >> today texas senator ted cruz on a week-long tour of the super-tuesday primary. for more on that we'll turn to
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steve kornacki. >> we're getting a look with the seven-day, seven-state tour. we spend so much time talking about iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, all the states that vote first and early. but we're seeing here what the cruz team has to parlay in what they hope will be a win in those leadoff iowa caucuses into something much bigger. focus on march 1st, the first big date of primaries after those individual contest states like georgia, alabama, tennessee, arkansas, oklahoma. you throw minnesota in there it sounds like aon outlier, but crz that's been his audience. evangelical christians, these states are filled with them. he's hoping the idea for cruz you see taking shape is he wins iowa, gets the momentum and then goes down south and wins big down there. >> can you just go to all the states all the time or do you have to pick and choose? there's been some people saying
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that maybe ted cruz needs to target the way that chris christie has targeted new hampshire. >> what we're seeing here is a bit of a confidence move here in terms of this show's confidence on part of the campaign because he's been doing that in iowa, he's been focusing so relentl s relentlessly in iowa. he's risen up in the polls, passed ben carson. in a lot of polls he's passed donald trump. there's a lesson from the past here. generally the winner of iowa on the republican side stalls after that. you think of like mike huckabee in 2008, rick santorum, they won it, great nights for them, then nothing offer that. the move from cruz is to set himself up to capitalize it on the way they haven't been able to. >> steve kornacki, appreciate it. i'm checking what we're doing next. what are we doing next? we're going to break, right? sorry. we're going to take a break.
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prudential bring your challenges new details about sergeant bowe bergdahl's disappearance from his base back in 2009. this time it comes straight from his taliban captors. >> translator: some people are worth more than a thousand men, individuals. and he was worth maybe more than 5,000 individuals. >> it's revealed in the latest episode of "serial" out just this morning. chief correspondent richard engel joins me now from istanbul. what do we learn about the military operations in trying to find bergdahl? >> well, it was the first time we heard a lot of intimate details, and a lot of details put together in such long
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format. what we heard was the taliban saying how they were effectively surprised and pleasantly surprised that bowe bergdahl decided to walk off his base and was such an easy prey for them to pick up when daylight came and he was standing there in the desert surrounded by, quickly surrounded by taliban motorcycles and how these taliban commanders were talking to themselves, how did this happen? who is this person? how did he wind up wandering around outside the wire? then we heard from many of the troops involved in the extensive rescue operation that was launched, how they went mission after mission often with no planning, no time to think about where they were going, just hitting target after target trying to search for bergdahl and how the soldiers were frustrated by that. they knew they were putting their lives at risk by launching these missions without proper
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planning and preparation, and just you could hear it in the soldiers' voice how angry they were, how frustrated they were, how they grew to hate bergdahl who was making them go on these risky missions because he decided to walk off of his base to prove a point that even when you lear it from bergdahl sounds somewhat confusing. >> richard engel, thanks so much. straight ahead, military family preparing for the holidays and their father's sixth deployment overseas. this is brad.
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well, as we head into the holiday season, many families will be celebrating with a loved one who is currently serving oversatisfied in the armed forces. back in the fall, president obama announced that the u.s. would keep almost 10,000 troops in afghanistan through most of next year, 2016. the family from ft. drum, new york, is one of the families.
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>> all right. >> i love you. >> i love you. >> reporter: it's another difficult good-bye for the froelich family. >> don't worry. i'll be okay. >> reporter: chief warrant officer 4 boarded a flight to afghanistan for the third time in five years, where he and his fellow soldiers of the 10th mountain division will spend the next year. frohlich says he's gotten used to multiple deployments but not to leaving his wife holly and their sons behind. >> i can work all day, doesn't bother me. but not having family to go home, that's difficult, it never goes away. >> reporter: so moments like being at his youngest son dylan's football game in the days before leaving for a war zone are pretty special. >> there you go! >> reporter: multiple deployments have become routine for military families as many as 700,000 service members have endured multiple deployments during the wars in iraq and afghanistan. >> frohlich.
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>> here. >> reporter: 10,000 troops will stay in afghanistan through most of 2016 with a smaller group staying even longer, serving in america's longest war, 14 years and counting. >> this is wade's sixth deployment. his first to bosnia in 19198, two trips to iraq and his third to afghanistan. by wade's own count in the 19 years of army service, he spent nine years apart from his family. >> it's definitely difficult. you look back, but i think it's important for the families that capture that stuff, that was great, my wife's a big picture taker. i was not able to experience it but you see and know you're providing a life for them to do all of that it uf. >> reporter: in afghanistan, chief frohlich supervises food services feeding soldiers. at home, his family's shopping at home for the holidays. all getting together for weekly skype calls but another reminder they won't be together for
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christmas. >> i'm going to miss you being able to be here and cook as well. you'll be able to do it next year, i'll let you. >> joining me now, three members of the frohlich family, holly, two of her sons, dylan, you're look at now, and travis to my left. thank you all for coming in to new york and talking with us. >> thank you. >> holly, i see tears in your eyes as you're watching yourself say good-bye to dad. it's still hard. >> yes, it really is. >> after all of these deployments? >> yeah. you're missing a piece of your family. it's hard still. >> the reason we wanted to follow you guys is we, you know, we cover all of the time the announcements that come out of the administration, how many troops are going to be in afghanistan, and sometimes it doesn't feel real. and then you meet a family like yours and realize it's very real to you. >> yeah. >> how do you cope when he's gone? >> i have, you know, my kids, of course, i'm so proud of them
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they are amazing helpers around the house and know when i need help and step up. right there, that helps a lot. frgs, families, just being able to call people when you need to. and just being able to communicate with him as well. >> skype is probably huge, right? is that a big deal? >> yes, it is. it helps a lot. >> when -- she says you help out. you help out a lot? >> yeah. >> what's different when dad's not here. >> just like letting her know that everything's okay and like helping her with anything she needs around the house and just -- >> you do the chores that you're supposed to do? >> for the most part. >> for the most part. nobody's perfect there they're kids. >> you must miss your dad a lot. >> yeah. >> yeah. not having him here around especially the holidays, it's really kind of like sad and like depressing. but -- >> but you get through. >> holly, nine out of 19 years
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your husband's been overseas. >> yeah. >> that's a big number. >> it is. yeah. we've -- we've done a lot. and at the same time, you know, it's what he signed up to do. so we support him. and we know that we'll get through it. >> are you scared at all every time he leaves? >> of course, of course. you know, he's going into a war zone or so it is scary. but if you focus on that too much, it's too hard to get through. so you just -- you just know he's going to be okay and wait for the skype call and e-mails and all of that. >> we'll be able to probably send a link to this piece to your dad, so anything travis, you want to say to your dad? >> just that i miss him, i hope he's doing okay. i know he can handle himself but it's going to be great to see him again. >> when do you get to see him again, graduation? >> i'm hoping so. >> hoping he'll get a leave to come back. that's your graduation.
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>> yes. >> from high school? >> yes. >> that's part of why you stayed at ft. drum, right to make sure your kids had continuity. >> we wanted travis to finish high school in one school. it's hard to travel in the middle of the year with the different requirements. my husband asked to stay. >> which is what led to him having be deployed again. >> yes. it's a sacrifice. but we make sacrifices for our families and that's part of being a military family. we're stronger for it. it's all good. >> on behalf of the rest of the country, can i just say thank you for being supportive of your dad who can then fight for all of the rest of us. >> thank you. >> thanks for being here. have a happy holiday. >> you, too. >> coming up, we head back to california where we expect criminal charges to be filed against the man who purchased two of the rifles ultimately used in the san bernardino attacks. the president prepares for his end of year news conference. what you should expect, straight ahead.
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hello, we begin the hour in california, breaking news that enrique marquez, friend and former neighbor of san bernardino shooter will face criminal charges. prosecutors could file charges today. marquez is the man who purchased the two rifles used in the terror attack. right to nbc news correspondent morgan radford joining me from outside the federal courthouse in riverside, california. >> we are expecting federal prosecutors to file charges today and that's why we're standing outside of riverside courthouse right now waiting for enrique marquez to show up at any moment. but, kate, i want to back you up for a minute and paint you a portrait of what we do know about enrique marquez thus far. a young man who prosecutors say bought and sold two of the five guns used in the massacre, and neighbors and friends and family described him as almost shy and reserved, and he worked as a
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local security guard at the walmart. but he had dreams of going to the navy, even trying to lose weight so he could make it through that rigorous boot camp. this is also a young man who federal prosecutors learned converted to islam three years ago and in 2014, married a member of farouk's extended family. again the woman he was married to sister was married to farouk's brother. an interesting web there. they also say they planned an earlier attack in 2012 with s d saesyed faro farook. that was thwarted once they got spooked and scared of unrelated terror arrests happening in california in the inland empire area. federal prosecutors are wait -- we're waiting for word for that now. >> thank you. joining me now from washington, with more, nbc news jut correspondent pete williams. we've been waiting for the moment that we hear he's been arrested. we don't know what he might be
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charged with. >> right. we don't know the what, we don't know the when. we only know that we believe that the charges will be filed here as early as today, and it's usual kind of back and forth in a big case like this with all of the lawyers getting involved, looking at it, making sure they've got it the way they want. one thing that occurs, it's entirely possible, by no means definite, these could be the only charged ever filed in the case if it turns out that the fbi concludes that no one else was involved here. now, we don't know that's going to be the outcome. but just yesterday the fbi director said he does not believe that syed farook and ma lick were part of any other cell. the fbi has a long way to go to answer that question. but it is at least theoretically possible the first charges may be the only charges. i think that explains why they're taking extra time to file these charges.
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one other thing to say, they're not bound by whatever they file today. they could always add later. once it goes through the grand jury process. but the first filing, of course, very important. so i think that's why they want to get it right. we heard earlier today, kate, a couple of hours ago, federal authorities intended to formally arrest him today. if that's the case, that would start the clock that would move him toward a court appearance. we have to remember, it's only 1:00 in california. there's a lot more of the day left to go. we could still see charges today. we could see them tomorrow. we could see them next week. we don't know the timing for certain yet. all indications seem to be it would come today. >> pete williams keeping an eye on that. >> now, to the very latest on national security and the visa process. the u.s. government has launched a new review of what are called fiancee visas, these came under scrutiny after the san bernardino attack because shooter tashfeen malik was here
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in the u.s. on a fiancee visa. she slipped through the cracks. she was on social media but fbi director says there's no evidence of public postings that might have raised red flags. the visa screening process in the united states does not include a formal check of applicant social media accounts. the discussion in washington is changing, today in part thanks to exclusive msnbc finding. >> it's being reported, i think i it's msnbc, that as early as 2011 homeland security was preparing to collect social media and yet homeland security decided that was a bad idea. >> msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber brought us that exclusive report. it's what you heard the congressman referring to at that hearing. ari joins us again now. you're prompting a lot of conversation, my friend.
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>> we have been hearing reaction from members of congress concerned about what we reported, namely, the department of homeland security did look at this in 2010, 2011, didn't go into adoptive policy to review social media. i talked to the dhs again, some whatever they've said is background but what they did want to stress, they don't have any sort of secret policy prohibiting this, that we didn't say they did. we said they never advanced into it. they are on defense, as they were trying to explain themselves in that hearing. the bottom line of policy level, there isn't any way to rigorously go into social media as part of vetting now, that's what's being debated, should they do more of that. >> do we know whether individual, i don't know what you call them, agents, people. >> custom officials. >> officials reviewing a visa application for a k 1 visa, do they -- do we know if they look at social media or if they don't. >> we know they don't have any instructions to. so we know it's not part of the formal process.
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they could go above and beyond and there's three pilot programs started in the last year to experiment with it. if you're asking does this customs official did. >> i have a checked box. >> no, i don't have a check list for social media. >> i was excited about the story. if that memo that you obtained, if that had become policy and practice, would there have been a you must check this box? >> what it would have done, according to how it was written and our officials, some anonymous who have spoken to us say, it would have at least opened the door to trying to do that on a regular basis with limited means. it wouldn't have necessarily gone after everything in social media but it would have been a step forward on that. the term of art was publicly available. they would use publicly available media information. what's interesting about the hearing, where the law meets politics, it was republicans and democrats saying, wait a minute, years ago this was proposed, by the security officials, not politicians trying to ride a wave but by security officials
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within the obama dhs, went through years of review that we talked about, months up to a year of review and then dropped out, stopped wasn't implemented. i will say, it done mean this is easy. there are a thicket of privacy law implications and you can't do everyone's digital footprint for the 17 plus million people and not slow to a halt. when we look at solutions here, from allele and policy perspective, can you do more for the priority candidates, those that merit extra screening. our sources are yes, you can and you could have started doing it a while ago. >> was there a legal argument made there was a privacy implication, that you couldn't delve into everybody's social media, that was their private stuff. >> this is an area, to be precising we done have a record of that yet. we don't have someone saying we cannot do this. very interesting, what i have gotten from dhs, and they've been circumspect, what they keep
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saying to me in my reporting, look, we are doing what we can do within the law, which sometimes makes you say part of the debate whether to change the law if they feel restrict the. privacy implications are higher for people who might be going through the screening inside the u.s. who are american. the policy question, they try to create a uniform stand order that affects everyone. lowest common denominator, remember that from math class, are we doing the lowest thing right for security to err on the side of the americans' protections or should they find a mid level, another way to at least vet the people abroad who wouldn't have privacy protections. it's a tough debate and important one. >> you've continued that on capitol hill. still to come, safety here at home, president obama visiting the national counterterrorism center in virginia. making the case that america will win the fight against terrorism. an apology, defense
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♪ sleep train [train horn] ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ breaking news on the court-martial of army sergeant bowe bergdahl, the subject of "serial" new edition of the podcast. calipari following developments. >> bowe bergdahl will be arraigned this coming tuesday, december 22, charged with two things, first is that desertion charge, the second thick is misbehaving in front of the enemy. it may sound like a trivial
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charge, it carries a life sentence. arraigned tuesday. initial charges given march 25th, some nine months earlier. >> his case, because of serial, the podcast. >> incredibly illuminating stuff from soldiers on the search for bowe bergdahl and they're growing very tired as they searched on going on dangerous missions. very interestingly, we heard this morning in the podcast, interviews with taliban commanders who talked about his state of mind, impressions of him. certainly this trial will receive much more attention because of the podcast almost certainly. >> cal perry, thanks for that update. >> president obama continued his push to ease americans, ease their fears weary of the terrorist attack. the president visited the national counterterrorism center in washington, d.c. where there was no specific or credible
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threat to the homeland. the president met with members of his national security team. he made it clear officials are working hard to keep americans safe this holiday season. joining me now, nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing. what did the president say to reassure people that things are in order? >> he went over different things that they work on at the counterterrorism creenter. this is the second time he's been out with the message this week at the pentagon. at the beginning of the week, it was a chance for him to say thank you to folks who will be there and working over the holidays acknowledging they're the best at what they do, best people we have in this country, trying to track down these terrorists. this, the national counterterrorism center, something that came about in the post 9/11 era, you have folks from the fbi, cia, department of defense, sharing information and so, he went over bit by bit the ways in which the u.s. is going after terrorists. something he has done multiple
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times since the san bernardino shooting, since that terror act there but wanting to emphasize it as people get closer to the holidays, people on roads, going to airports, being in places where there may be big crowds. he made points against what have been concerns raised by presidential candidates about the refugee crisis. take a listen. >> any refugee coming to the united states, some of them victims of terrorism themselves, will continue to get the most intensive scrutiny of any arrival. they go through up to two years of vetting including biometric screening. and the review that i ordered into the fiancee visa program under which the female terrorist in san bernardino came here is ongoing. >> he's coming up against poll numbers that show his personal popularity has dropped, his approval rating for his handling of the terror threat is very
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low. so part of this is also just getting out and letting people know what he believes is working, what the united states is doing, but constantly reassessing. and he did acknowledge today this new phase of terrorism, like what we saw in san bernardino, which is people who are not on the radar and he promised that the people who were working in those buildings, there in mclean, virginia, are relentless. >> chris jansing, thanks so much, from the white house. defense secretary ash carter facing controversy after admitting he occasionally used his personal e-mail for government business. carter is the second top national security official in the obama administration to use personal e-mail, as did hillary clinton when she was secretary of state. let's bring in nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. he took a lot of questions about this today and open in saying i messed up? >> absolutely. carter is considered essentially the cybersecurity czar here at the pentagon.
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he has pushed this issue very hard ever since he became secretary of defense. but he admitted that he violated the department's own regulations. when he used his own personal e-mails for official government business. >> this is a mistake i made with respect to e-mail, entirely my mistake, entirely on me. first of all, let me begin by saying, in fact, as secretary of defense, i don't use e-mail very much. i don't use it for classified information and any work-related e-mail is preserved as is required. but, what i was doing that i shouldn't have been doing until a few months ago, which meant i was doing it longer than i should have been, obviously, using my iphone, which has my personal e-mail on it, to send
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messages to my office edd ament straightive messages, not classified information. all of this is preserved. >> not only did he make that mistake, but he ignored warning signs a month after he took office. the scandal regarding hillary clinton's use of exclusive use of her personal e-mails when she was secretary of state exploded on capitol hill, that a couple months later the white house actually issued a warning to the pentagon about personal use of e-mails, yet carter continued inexplicably to use personal e-mails for official business for a total of seven months. >> jim, before we let you go, i want to ask you about news overnight about isis launching a major offensive, 500 fighters on kurdish positions near mosul in iraq and a battle that went on for hours. >> u.s. military officials, quite frankly, were impressed by
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the operation they launched. it was a three-prong attack against three different locations against three different enemy forces, kurds, sunny arabs and turks around mosul. there were about 500. u.s. and coalition forces launched air strikes against those isis forces for 17 hours before finally beaten into retreat. >> jim miklaszewski at the pentagon, thanks. after the break, we turn to 2016 politics and the feud between candidates rubio and cruz. the latest in their war of words over immigration, next. so what's your news? i got a job! i'll be programming at ge. oh i got a job too, at zazzies. (friends gasp) the app where you put fruit hats on animals? i love that! guys, i'll be writing code that helps machines communicate. (interrupting) i just zazzied you. (phone vibrates) look at it! (friends giggle) i can do dogs, hamsters, guinea pigs... you name it. i'm going to transform the way the world works. (proudly) i programmed that hat.
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today the political fight between marco rubio and ted cruz over immigration continued with rubio in iowa, once again, accusing cruz of having flip-flopped on a path to legal
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status. >> i was attacked by ted cruz on the debate stage, and i responded by saying i'm puzzled by his attacks on this since he's the one that, for example, supports doubling the number of green cards. he's the one that supports 500% increase in guest workers into the united states. he's the one that supported legalization. and legalizing people that are in this country illegally. >> not the way ted cruz sees it. he assured reporters in las vegas that that was not the case. >> let's have a moment of simple clarity. i oppose amnesty, i oppose citizenship. i oppose legalization for illegal aliens. i always have. and i always will. >> joining me now, msnbc steve kornacki and political reporter benji sarlin. >> he couldn't be more clear when you listen to the last sound bite. rubio saying he flip-flopped, cruz saying he hasn't. who is right? >> they both have a point here.
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cruz is right to be annoyed. rubio, literally co-authored the gang of eight immigration bill cruz was attacking. cruz was never considers a serious possibility to vote for the bill. he was a big critic. rubio has a point cruz's position that he's against legalization of any kind for indocumented immigrants, that's new. we did not know that until tuesday. he was asked about this for years in the lead-up to the election, what his position what to do on undocumented immigrants and always ducked the question. rubio has a point he may be less pure on this in the right sense than he lets on. >> and in terms of how this impacts the rest of the field, steve, two of them, the more they keep going at it, what does it mean for donald trump. >> it's trump in many ways setting the agenda on immigration. we've talked about for years how the republican party, conservative movement at least, so resistant to the idea of any
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pathway to citizenship or legalization. there was some thought after 2012 that would change, the party would have to change for 2061. that's the genesis of rubio getting involved in the gang of eight. >> the gang of eight. >> four democrats, four republicans, and the republicans who got on board wering looking at this and said this is where the republican party wants to go and we'll lead it there. you can almost see the political calculation for rubio back then, somebody ambitious and thought this is the moment he can step out, show leadership, take the party where it wants to go. then discovers that's noter and the party wants to go. backtracks and of course now cruz sees vulner ability there to attack him, say look he was for this and rubio trying to fight that back. >> talking about national security, two rubio and cruz, two good senators. however was rubio targeting cruz today. >> we have a president and, to be fair, some in my own party that support weakening us both militarily and intelligence
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gathering capabilities. i hear some people running saying i'm going to carpet bomb them. you have to have an air force to do that. >> i hear some people saying that. that's a direct reference to ted cruz and comments he's made recently. >> what's interesting here, there is a genuine philosophical difference between cruz and rubio on national security playing out. we see it with the surveillance debate. rubio accused cruz 0 of weaking national security reporting forms to the surveillance program unveiled by ed ward snowden. even rubio's supporters voted for that, bipartisan, had a lot of support from people, corey gardner a major supporter. there's a bigger dispute over a foreign policy vision. rubio favors some kind of intervention in syria to remove bashar al assad, not necessarily direct through u.s. forces but that it's an important step to defeating isis.
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cruz's case has been very different. he argues when the u.s. trying to impose some democracy on other nations or undermine secular military dictators you end up with chaos, terrorism groups like isis ruling in the vacuum. this is a very big divide between the party's philosophy under george w. bush and something new, closer to perhaps libertarian views espoused by rand paul, maybe not all the way, espoused by ted cruz. >> let me go to donald trump for a second, steve, because at the debate the other night, he suggested that we shouldn't have spent all of the money on the iraq war, we should have spent it here at home. carly fiorina shouted out you sound like obama. last night he said something similar on "jimmy kimmel." why is it anti-republican to say you wish the money should have been spent on education? >> we have spent a -- if we would have done nothing, let the dictators stay where the they,
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we wouldn't have migrations, we could have spent $5 trillion on rebuilding roads, schools, hospitals, infrastructure, airports. and i made that point. honestly, jimmy, i don't care if people like it or not. i say the right thing. i think maybe that's why we resonate. >> it's hard to put him in a box, isn't it? >> yes. >> here he is saying that maybe we should be spending money at home but at the same time we'll have the strongest military, if i'm president. >> but donald trump, what he's doing hering i think, he's blowing up what the conventional wisdom has been for a long time about who the republican party is and what the republican party wants because there's sort of been this consensus the republican party is anti-government, that's it, they want to dismantle it, get rid of the programs certainly within washington and among people who make the most noise within the party, that's been the case. here's donald trump who is showing that there is a big constituency within the republican party that wants and likes a lot of government programs. he's saying he doesn't want to cut social security, he doesn't
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want to talk about reforming medicare, he likes these programs. he's telling the republican base i will make sure i protect the programs for you and wall off this country from the outsiders so they won't take it. he's showing a receptive audience on the republican side. >> thanks to both of you today. up next -- the mistrial out of maryland. we take you live to baltimore to find out what's next there. after yesterday's hung jury in the trial of officer william porter. ♪
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minutes, kate. we still have yet to find out precisely what was covered in that meeting. the big question here remains, will they retry william porter? will they retry the 26-year-old officer after the hung jury yesterday? we are told at this point we will be notified once a decision has been played. there's also no timetable. the only thing that could force a decision sooner rather than later is this january 6th trial. that, of course, when the man who was driving van in which freddie gray died, his trial set to start january 6th. he's charged with second-degree murder. but again, at this point, we have not been told whether an officer porter will be retried before that happens or whether the prosecution will decide to try five remaining officers or. and who's to say they decide to
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retry. most of the lawyers that we've talked to, talked to the attorney yesterday in baltimore, the thinking on the ground they will definitely retry him but they haven't said when and how. we should also note that this jury, jury of 12, seven black, five white, seven women, five men, folks want to find out what they were thinking, whether there was one holdout, whether the holdout may have been -- so many questions about the jury. what we have found out a judge has basically advised the jury not to speak to reporters, stop short of ordering jurors but did advise not to do that. they were whisked away after the verdict read under police escort. they are going to remain anonymous. so it will be interesting to see whether someone speaks to one of the jurors, gets insight.
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for the demonstrators, we saw a handful yesterday. we have seen no demonstrators today. just two arrests overnight. appears as if folks here in baltimore listen to the family of freddie gray, listened to the mayor, the police commissioner and the white house as well, all of have asked him to remain peaceful as they protested. >> glad you mentioned that, i was going to ask you, we were so focused on the over head shots. nice to hear things turned out that way. turning to missouri, the justice department and the city of ferguson close to an agreement of overhauling the city's police department. remember, nine months ago the justice department released a scathing report about racially biased policing in ferguson prompted by the fatal shooting of michael brown in august 2014. joining me now, ron allen, who of course covered ferguson extensively. good to see you. >> good to see you, indicate.
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we believe they are close to an agreement. it's been ninements of tough negotiations, unclear whether they were reach the finish line with the holidays. but it's been quite a process. they are trying to overhaul the complete police department from top to bottom. when the justice department goes in a pattern and practices investigation, they want to review the use of excessive force, training, recruitment. every aspect how the police do their job, seartop and stefrear people on the streets. it was scathing. there was a pattern of racially biased policing, police were in so many cases, a case of exce excessive force, involved a black suspect. 90% of the time police used dogs there was a black suspect involved. they also criticized the courts, and this is a unique thing in ferguson because the courts are
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connected to the police department, and the charges that the courts were use the as money making venture, police would stop poor black motorists again and again get tangled up in the court system, unable to pay fines, make court appearances, essentially running up a bill that would generate rev gnaw for the city. so all of that is what the justice department is trying to change in ferguson. ferguson, officials have to agree to this, have a monitor to overlook this. this is a very expensive proposition, one of the concerns of the city leaders in fe. a town running a 1 million deficit. city council hat to approve this consent decree. the choice may be agree or if they don't agree, doj will go to court to try and get the courts to enforce this, to force the city to do this. but they are determined. as you may know, this is an area the obama administration's been
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aggressive in. at least 20 different pattern and practice investigations going on around the country in places like baltimore, where we just were, cleveland, new york, new orleans, major cities, the administration trying to change the way policing is done in america. ferguson, since the death of michael brown, has become the case. the case that ignited so much attention on this issue. now so many years later, still trying to work out nuts and bolts of this. there's a new police chief. the job is empty. they had an interim police chief when the chief resigned and have another chief. they have a new city manager. the process with the doj and consent decree, which will take years to fulfill, work out, implement is still going on, but they're close. >> thank you, ron allen. ferguson, as ron just said, is one of many police departments around the country that have been investigated for their self-rights practices by the department of justice.
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68 police departments in all have been investigated since 1991. and that's the subject of an upcoming pbs front line special called "fixing the force." joining me, sarah childress. you decided to look at every single time the department of justice has gotten involved and dug in on a city's police force, took you a year, i think to complete the investigation. what were the themes? what surprised you most? >> sure. this is a digital project and it started because we wanted to understand what was happening, you know, when the justice department goes into a department, what they find, why they start the investigation in the first place, what the result is. and it was surprising because what we found there was no place to get all of this information and that's we started piecing this database together. and what we found, what was surprising, just the level of
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the systemic problems in the departments where federal officials do intervene. talking about misuse of canines, allowing people to -- allowing police dogs to bite people, even people suspected of crimes, talking about failing to investigate sexual assaults properly or in one case officers were actually accused of sexual misconduct themselves. so these are places where there's severe systemic issues, like in ferguson, like in baltimore, and the goal is to prevent those kinds of incidents from happening again. >> i found it interesting, reading your work, every department of justice investigation can end in a different way. they don't all end with the same procedure or report or implement agent. ferguson, we were talking about, they're trying to get an agreement on monitored consent decree. what does that mean? >> sure. so that's the most robust form of agreement the justice department can actually reach. in a third of cases they don't
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come away with any kind of agreement at all we found. the consent decree allows the justice department to when they find pattern of abuses they can threaten to sue unless they agree to reforms. and those agreements can be little more than a handshake agreement, the department says they'll make those changes and there's no follow-up or accountability. with consent decree, there's an agreement entered into court, usually, and an independent monitor appointed, some sort of team of policing experts, usually attorneys, data analysts appointed to oversee the process and make sure the police department is making changes in accordance with the agreement. they are not released until the mop t monitoring teams signs off and agrees with the city they've been able to implement the reforms. >> an in-depth report, thank you
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the price of lie-saving medication is grabbing headlines arrested for securities fraud. the 32-year-old martin shkreli left court where he pleaded not guilt y to seven counts of fraud. the attorney described the full extent of the alleged crimes. >> schick kelly ran his companies like a ponzi screheme where he used each company to pay off defrauded investors from the prior company. >> we remember this guy because he was the one who raised the price of a life-saving medication overnight, up to like $750 per pill. used to be $13.50. nobody liked this guy much back then. and today, they're celebrating his arrest online. >> this guy has a habit of being accused of these terrible things and today here's another one.
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important thing about today's charges, they are completely unrelated to that price hike in the drugging which at the time he said he had done because he wanted to have more money for research and development, some a lot of people were critical of. >> right. >> this is about securities fraud and you heard the u.s. attorney talking about a variety of ponzi schemes he had set up. among them accused of stealing $1 million in stock and cash and giving that, this is a pharmaceutical company of his, and giving that to a former failed hedge fund company, investors in that company. very typical ponzi scheme. he has pled not guilty. faces 20 years in prison. but this is certainly not going to help him become more liked. >> no, certainly not. so basically, the accusation he was taking money from one company, shuffling it over to investors who lost out on one of his prior deals, and paying them
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back under the table? >> he lied to them, told them their investments weric making money when allegedly they were not. and actually losing money. he said his company was worth a certain valuation when in fact it was next to nothing. and he continued to kind of dupe investors along the way setting up a series of companies and then this pharmaceutical company which, interestingly enough, fired him as the ceo, in august, and sued him for $65 million because of these allegations. and that lawsuit is still pending. he counter sued for $70 million. it's quite a mess. he denies all of this. and he's just this incredible eccentric character. >> quickly, he is also well known because he bought the one single copy. >> right. >> of the wu-tang clan's album and people want to know where that is today. >> he spent $2 million, two weeks ago. he said i bought this.
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and you know what? i'm not even going to play it. fans of wu-tang clan, hip pop fans went berserk. he's online on youtube for live chats and they went after him. today the fbi, tweets asking the fbi if -- >> where is it? >> if they seizes the album and the fbi did not have a warrant or seizure in this case. >> probably still in his apartment. >> where he probably is as well. >> stephanie gosk, thanks so much. hampton pearson with the cnbc market wrap. >> we lad a federal reserve hangover on wall street today with the markets closing lower. the dow fallining by 253. the s&p off by 31. nasdaq down by 69 points. that's it from cnbc. its official, i work for ge!! what? wow... yeah! okay... guys, i'll be writing a new language for machines
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so, in case you haven't heard "the force awakens tonight" next installment in the "star wars" franchise hits theaters capping off months of fan frenzy. before a single lightsaber has been swung, the film has already broken records. frances rivera in lincoln center. >> two hours before "the force awakens" some of the people watch the first screening here. great news, closer to the screening time and out of the rain. for these guys they have to wait until 11:00 before their screening. some have been here since 11:00 this morning. a 12-hour wait. they're inside. and when it comes to the costumes, you'd expect a lot of
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lightsabers, chewbacca, but the rain put a damper on that we have our resident fashionista here. this is her costume but make sure when you come out you've got to check, different cinemas have different rules when it comes to lightsabers and masks. amc not allowing masks. lightsabers but put those down during the show. >> francis, thanks so much. breaking news. we've been talking about charges potentially coming today against the friend of the shooters in san bernardino who purchased the two rifles that were used in the shooting. pete williams with us in washington. what have we learned? >> the charges have been filed, kate, against enrique marquez. three charges, the straw purchase of the two firearms, plotting with farouk, they say in both 2011 and 2012, and defrauding immigration authorities by entering into a
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sham marriage. we know about the firearms charges. what's new that we're learning about in these court documents is what the government says marquez has told them. they say he has admitted that he made plans with farouk to carry out an attack in late 2011, they talked about this, by attacking the library or the cafeteria at riverside community college where both these men had been students. their plan, according to the government, was to throw pipe bombs into the kcafeteria from some position on the second floor and shoot people as they ran off. they also talked about attacking the eastbound lanes of a highway state route 91 during the and a half noon rush hour. and they did take steps to carry out their plans, the government says, by buying guns, ammunition, other tactical gear, and then mentions what we've known, it was marquez that
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bought the assault rifles in 2011, 2012, when he in fact was buying them, they say, for farook as part of the plan to attack both the college and state highway. according to the charges here, marquez has told the fbi he agreed to buy the weapons because, quote, his appearance was caucasian while farook looked middle eastern. these are the main points of the charges here. enrique marquez will appear later today in federal court to formally face charges. it's not just the gun charge which we expected. >> right. >> it's also a material support to terrorism charge based on this discussion he had with farook about an attack. we learned the details about what marquez says they discussed and also learned they're going to charge him with this attempt to defraud the government by entering into a sham marriage. as you know the relationship goes like this, syed farook has
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a brother married to a ukrainian woman whose sisters married to enrique marquez, and the government basically says that was a sham, just done as a favor to farook to help her get into the united states. >> a minute before i toss things over to chuck todd in washington. quickly, these two plots that are described, this is all new information, right? we didn't know specifically targets they were looking at? >> we did not know specifically the targets. what we've been told is they wanted to attack possibly a school and possibly a place that would be crowded, and that's certainly consistent with what we know is this community college and a crowded state highway during rush hour. >> all right. pete williams, again, enrecray marquez, charged now, several counts, not just on firearms violations, for purchasing a straw purchase of the two rifles used in san bernardino but also charged with plotting with farook back in 2011 and 2012,
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much more information coming up that's going to do it for this hour of msnbc live. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" starts now picking up coverage. >> if it's thursday. >> sted and marco rubio duking it out but differences on immigration are downright confusing. don't worry, we've got clarity for you. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. >> well, good evening, from washington. i'm chuck todd, and this is "mtp daily." people have been anticipating the idea of a ted cruz/marco rubio showdown in the 2016 race. it's here. and the first dividing line between these two rising stars, immigration. >> i understand that marco wants to raise confusion. it is not accurate what he just said that i sup


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