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if you lose the republican nomination, are you a loser? >> certainly, yeah. hate to say it. if i lost the nomination, yeah, i guess i would call myself a loser. >> good morning. it's friday, december 18th. that's honesty. welcome to morning joe and happy friday, everybody. can you believe it? i can't. with us on set we have the managing editor of bloomberg politics, msnbc political analyst and school of public policy former demeanor cat rancic congressman harold ford
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jr. and editorial writer at the washington post jonathan, nice on way to early. >> thank you. >> and the washington post msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. we just heard from donald trump talking to barber walters, he's going to be on next hour. kind of interesting. >> did you see -- i don't know why? >> that's a good way to start. did you see what happened with senator bernie sanders? right now he's writing his inaugural address despite trailing hillary clinton in the polls. >> i stuttered writing my inauguration as i was writing my speech tomorrow?
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the answer is yes. it's a very sobering thought. >> sanders campaign announced yesterday it has now collected more than 2 million contributions and sanders has picked up his latest endorsement to date. from the workers of america, the union's. >> i think what we're seeing is a lot of grass roots support in union after union throughout this country. that support has not necessarily trickled up to the leadership. what i would have hoped is unions who believe in democracy
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would have done what the cws has created a wide open process. maybe we would, i don't know. i think we would have one a lot more national union support. >> and perhaps sanders biggest one came when democracy for america was throwing their support behind the democratic challenger. it's the same group that helped lead elizabeth warren in the race. the sanders endorsement marks the first time they've opted to back a presidential candidate. the decision is at odds with the choice of the group's founder, former vermont governor howard dean who is backing clinton. harold, kind of complicated. >> this is what happens in primari primaries. i don't think there's much surprise. her lead continues to grow in the early states that matter the most. you look at the momentum in the
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campaign that rests with her and her campaign. i believe the more messier and complicated the world is and unfortunately, it gettings that way, not only does she look more presidential, more and more independents begin to see the value, the credibility and the strength of her candidacy and her presidency. >> this is far from a slam dunk for hillary clinton. in 2016 as your co-host says it is quiet possible we could have a political earthquake where you could have sanders and trump winning iowa and new hampshire. >> at the moment more likely bernie sanders will win iowa and
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new hampshire than trump doing both of those given that cruz is searching in iowa. i feel he's within striking distance. the question is can he catch fire again in iowa? can they mobilize a bunch of new caucus goers to turn out? if he can do that, he's pointing to a huge disparity between what a lead opinion thinks and what grass roots opinion thinks.
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they have a good operation. i think it's a very close race there. if they lose that race it will create a very dynamic. >> obviously, iowa slapped the clinton team down in 2008. it seems like a poplar one. >> what are your wonders the political party swapped their long time rolls.
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miss clinton considering interview request is like a queen points at necklaces, a raid on a jeweler's window. at least they're alive. at least they're fighting as if it matters. it's a good call. i wrote this morning, the republican optimist would say exactly what she said. at least we're fighting it out and debating these serious issues. the party is also cracking up. it's been hijacked by donald trump. nobody knows what's going to
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happen. i think republican leaders would give anything for the democrats. >> nothing has changed too much since the debate. the first national poll is just out and the results show not much change. 36% for donald trump still triple the strength of his nearest competitor. 24 points ahead of ben carson at 12%. ted cruz at 11%. marco rubio fourth at 9% and jeb bush at 7%. the recivsilience comes across.
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>> we need strong people. we need sharp people. >> capable of handling the country as a business. >> why are you here? >> because i'm $19 trillion in debt. >> that stands alone all in itself and the fact that we're going to take care of our vets. >> being a military man, i'm sick and tired of the way the v.a. treats our veterans. >> i noticed when we travelled to europe they use to think of us in such high regard. >> they had respect for our
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country. >> now i feel like we're looked down upon. >> we don't have that anymore. we're not respected by anybody anymore. >> he's self-funded. jonathan, look at a number, this story is starting to bubble up everywhere. he claimed the republican party by time magazine after he hit a triple in third grade on his tee ball team in south florida. >> mark and i and other people say where's the beef. yeah, he can talk well on tv. awesome. is he doing what it takes to get
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elected, the new york times getting threatful. other stories yesterday. 5: 5:38, a story about how the horrible ground gang in iowa and new hampshire lessons chances and right now there's more and more stories cropping up where is marco? where's the rest of him? where's the promise? >> in every debate he was terrific. he sounded great, looked great. he commanded the stage and you could see him, you could see him becoming the nominee. you could see him as the savior of the republican party as time magazine proclaimed. in the fight with ted cruz he's in, this story here, you're starting to see his campaign, his candidacy is a village. it looks great. once you get behind the fisad, there's nothing there. >> you can't run a campaign, you
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certainly can't win a state if you got one field office in the first contest of the country. >> harold, if i were supporting any candidate that said hey, i'm going to do some commercials and drop in, i would be horrified, i just would. maybe none of the rules apply in 2016. i mean, helle dona, donald trum organizing on the ground everywhere. >> if he's doing similar things like rubio on the articles and lack of the organization is pointing to the way he could lose and the -- you guys talked about it, the polling.
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he's organizing in all these key places. >> what's shocking to me, when i look at whose going to win, the first thing i do is look at organization. the new york times has had marco number one in their one, two, three, four, five, whose going to win the republican nomination? i would take a bad candidate who can't speak that may have a little less money and base victories on organization on the ground and yet marco in story after story after story has a very weak organization and now it's finally bubbling up and the new york times says he's a favorite to win it all. >> if you look at the betting markets around the world, marco is the favorite. >> why is that? >> i think there's a presumption that despite all the turmoil
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we've seen in the republican party there will still be an establishment front runner and the party does what it does. in the end the party reverts the form and that person will be the nominee. >> he's never going to be an establishment. >> he's a u.s. senator though. >> i actually think the more interesting question, i'm not disagreeing but i'm saying it's possible. we talked about this on our show, we may not have an establishment front runner. if you look at what's happening in iowa seasoned south carolina and new hampshire, those three early states and then the way the south is stacked up, it's possible this will be, i don't know if you want to call it earthquake or not, that the republicans never have its front runner. >> i think it's right. you look back over the last three, four, five months. but over 50% of the republican
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vote has been going to nonestablishment candidates. at least for i guess three months. ben carson and donald trump have been over 50%. now it's ben carson, donald trump and ted cruz. >> everyone thought it was going to happen. in part, gene, you write this. it makes no sense to speak of the g.o.p. without specifying which one. the party that celebrates immigration that's central to the american experiment or the one that wants to round up 11 million people without papers and kick them out. the party that believes in u.s.
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military intervention and exceeding the world with democratic values or one that believes a strike to our nation should have to pose their own dictators. a republican optimist might praise the candidates for airing serious and important policy debates. a realist would say this is a party that appears to believe in everything which is the same as believing in nothing. >> you could put paul ryan by the first sentence each time and donald trump by the second sentence each time. >> you could. the republican party has changed. there are a lot of new republicans. there are different republicans. we've seen this great success at the level of congressional elections and state level elections. but the party has to accommodate these new republicans in its views and it hasn't changed. it hasn't incorporated.
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it hasn't managed to work out what today's republican party really believes. so you know, does today's republican party really believe, for example, in zientitlement reform in the way it did 15-20 years ago? that was a genuine consensus then. now it's we want to spend less and retire other people's entitlemen entitlements. it's a different party and the establishment hasn't adjusted to that and it's paying the price. >> this happens every time there's a party in the white house and they're trying to get in. the time i got most active i was 22-years-old and clinton was coming in office in 1992. the same was true with george w. bush. i would agree it's more radical and alive as you mentioned as
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peggy mentioned. this happens. these brawling debates happen. even on the democratic side you see happening obama's impact in the party. the democratic party has become more to the left than some democra democrats. >> here's the difference though. take the three examples you gave us. bill clinton actually moves to the center and became more inclusive so the democrats could bring back the office. when he did that, he reshaped the party. >> obama took it further to the left. >> they won five out of the last six presidential elections in the poplar vote. george w. bush talked about being a compassionate conservative. he was working to be more expansive and move the party away from what we've done on capitol hill from 94-2000.
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>> mccain was thought to be the guy that might win also. >> mccain was the maverick though. again, you had a guy working and he and carl rogue and jeb bush were obsessed with bringing hispanics into the republican party. in 2008 you had barack obama who talked about no red state american, no blue state american. he got 53% of the vote and expanded the electorate. in each example you have candidates who change things after eight years and trying to bring more people out to the voting booths. look at donald trump and look at any poll and his approval and disapproval and look at what he stands for and what a lot of republicans today are standing for that support donald trump. it's a shrinking of the elect
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electorate. a lot of noise. they did well in the first round. i clang anybody to find an approval rating where dond trump fairs as well as hillary clinton. or many of these other candidates. it's a different thing. that's the concern with the republicans. are we shrinking? donald trump brings in other people from the outside. i think that's a bigger concern. it's a national front strategy. >> i'm glad you brought this up. in all of those examples, in most of our elections it's been about expanding the reach, expanding a party. making sure as many as possible feel like the candidate is talking to them. the america they believe in is represented by the person running for president. clinton, bush, the other bush, reagan, they all talked about
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hey, i'm this party but i'm going to bring as many people in as possible. what we've been seeing over the last six months, especially since donald trump got into the race is not hey, everyone come into the party, it's all about out. stay out. stay out. if you're an immigrant, if you're muslim, if you're african american, i don't see how a party can win that way. as an american it's very troubling because that's not the america i grew up in. >> i think, mika, the challenge for donald trump obviously, if he wins this and you've had this discussion with him. how much can he turn if he wins the republican nomination? i know he can say he's progress
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mat rancic and can turn on a time. >> he can actually pull off. it's a message that comes from his heart that americans really can see beyond make america great again but we hate certain groups and we don't trust certain groups and we won't let certain groups in. that's a hard term to make. >> all right. still ahead on morning joe donald trump will join us live and i'm going to ask him if he's going to go shirtless with putin. plus the new york times thomas freedman is here. we're going to get his response to the terror attacks here and across the globe. you're watching morning joe.
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25 past the hour. ash carter arrived in afghanistan this morning. he spent the last two days in iraq and during a stop and review yesterday called the first commander in syria a success. he also discussed the controversy he read home zblb there's plenty of people during the time that you're taking office and so forth who explained to you what the rules are about e-mails. it's not like i didn't have the
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opportunity what the right thing to do is. >> i screwed up. entirely on me. >> she had a server in her house. ash carter just made it clear there's plenty of people that tell you the rules when you get here. he used his iphone anyway which is a bad slip. it's not like setting up a server in your house. we're talking about carter. >> we're told carter whose considered the pentagon's champion used the account from the time he started in february. carter said he never.
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president obama holds his annual year end press conference before taking off on a two week family vacation in his home state of hawaii. next stop san bernardino, california where he'll meet privately with the families of the attack. meanwhile, here's what the president had to say yesterday after a briefing at the national terrorism center. >> of course, when terrorist pull off a dispickable act like what happened in san bernardino, it tears at our hearts. it also stiffens our result to learn whatever lessons we can and make any improvements that are needed. i want to repeat what my team just told me. at this moment our intelligence and counter terrorism professionals do not have any
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specific and credible information about an attack on the homeland. that said, we have to be vigilant. that said, we cannot give into fear or change how we live our lives because that's what terrorist want. that's the only terrorist we have. we have to remind ourselves when we stay true to our values, nothing can beat us. so anyone trying to harm americans need to know they need to know that we're strong and resilient and will not be terrorized. we've prevailed over much greater threats than this. we will prevail again. >> that comes as the new york times reports that president obama in a private session at the white house this said said he realized he was slow to respond to public fears after the attacks. the paper reports the president
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acknowledged his low key approach and led americans to believe he wasn't doing enough. let's bring in new york times colu colu columnist. what do you make of the president's actual strategy verses the optics? >> i would start at 30,000 feet. i think the strategic dilemma this president has in contest to his predecessors is they all had to manage strength. american strength and the strength of our allies in europe and japan and adversaries in russia and china. he said to manage weakness. american weakness, weakness of our european allies, weakness of
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japan and states actually falling apart and managing weakness is held on wheels. that puts syria in that context. because basically, when states fall apart there's only one choice. we're running away from it. you have to take them over and you have to kill the bad guys and rebuild the state and stay there. really, none of us want to do that. >> tom, it's not like barack obama came in from a spaceship after syria desin grated and 250,000 people were killed. does he not own much of the chaos in iraq and syria? as much at least as george w. bush who started it. this isn't republican verses
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democrat, syria, you and i and everybody around the table seen 20,000 dead, 40,000 dead, 200,000 dead. one red line crossed after another. what are the lessons of what's happened since 2010 for the next president. >> to be the lesson is if you want to stabilize one of these states controlled by an iron fist from the top down and could only be controlled horizontally by the communities with social contracts, there's only one strategic approach. two components. one was no victory, no vanquish. we're going to share ours and the other is you need an external fours.
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the question is can you get that? there's a bigger question. whose going to be the iron fist and forces that agreement and assures the minority in the case of syria that's going to be christians they won't be persecuted. therefore, you have to have boots on the ground. as i listen to the republican debate and to what the democrats are doing, everyone wants to do it from the air and everyone has a great idea. boots on the ground, you know, think about you mentioned iraq. how did we ultimately stabilize iraq in 2010. one of the parties got exhausted. we came in and organize nice ni -- organized the first election. special ops went door to door and took out some very bad characters in both the soonny and -- communities.
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whoever wants to work from 8:00 in the morning to midnight, nobody wants to work that. somebody's got to take out the bad guys. let's go back, 2006, 2003. sometimes when you have somebody in power. >> so joe, i'm someone who supported the iraq war from democracy reasons. here's what i learned we keep
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the authorities in and they generate more disorder. it's when you have phony states that are not sustainable. some kind of social contract between the communities. he had the boundaries drawn and that won't exist because of this order. number one, you agree with the
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assessment. the divide in the world is between the technological change, climate change. what you see is a mass migration of people to get out of the world of disorder into the world of order. >> thomas, stay with us. our next guest will be a great pairing with you. still ahead on morning joe. >> would you see as i said last night that you need arab muslim nations to help the united states defeat the jihad? would you see that? >> no, i don't. but i do think it would be very
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there's not an option. we have to defeat isis. i'm not worried about not defeating isis. what i am worried about is i'm preoccupied. we're missing the picture. there's a much larger extremist ideology that we live in. if we defeat isis and take a victory lap and go home, we're going to be back in two years talking about another group to defeat. it's important to focus on the larger picture. there's some of us in the region fighting isis on the ground and fighting them online and the most important part of fighting any group isis or other atern tif model. i think that's what we're trying to do. >> and you write this in foreign policy. islamic state must be defeated on the field of strategy. as muslims, we have the most at
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stake and must be leaders on both fronts. we know to win we must not only defeat what we're against but must define what we as muslims and arabs are for. it is possible to be muslim, moderate and moderate at the same time. we have openness, optimism and opportunity across the region. arab parents should and can believe their children's future can be better than their own. there are some elements, though, across the gulf region that exported radical thoughts over the past 20-30 years. do you think that's coming to an end? >> i think we have to work on changes that. we have to work on changing education systems and work on creating opportunities. i wrote that article out of frustration. out of the last six weeks we saw attacks and the russian airliner. five days after paris, something very interesting happened and no
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one took notice. the uae appointed the first woman head of department in the middle east. first time in history. i sent an e-mail to a few friends. i said you know how i want to beat isis? by doing more things like this. by creating opportunities. by creating hope. we do have a responsibility to step up and denounce radicalization and denounce extremism. but when we do, people here have responsibility to listen. when we take steps like this, we're trying to create a model that it is possible to be moderate, muslim and modern all at the same time. >> one of the things consistent between democrats and republicans, you heard it in a republican debate and the democrats is we need arab ground forces on the ground to root isis out door to door. to what extent or why haven't we
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seen those in large numbers yet and what would it take? >> i think the reason we haven't seen it in large numbers is within the coalition, you know this as well as i do, there's a lot of conflicting objectives. we're not on the same page unfortunately, secretary kerry is doing a great job trying to bring everybody together. frankly, there are countries within the coalition that have different agendas. until we get on board and until we all decide isis is the first priority, it's going to be very difficult. some of us have not ruled it out. it is possible but we need to see everyone come on board with the same objective. >> this is one of the points i was trying to make. when you're in a poker game and don't know who the sucker is, it's probably you. one of the things, the president i think has been understanding. everyone wants what we want as their second choice.
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we want dmemocracy. they want to kill kurds. we want to crush iranians. we have iranians who want to crush soonnies and this is not the d-day coalition. that, really, i think limits what we can do. well, we have to keep trying to get everyone on the same page. there's no way out of it. we're going to end up with the same result. i think there needs to be more emphasis on trying to do better. >> what can we do better, america? >> i think what secretary kerry is trying to do is the right approach. i think if we took syria as seriously four years ago as we are taking it today, we probably wouldn't be in this position. >> let me ask you a political question. i've heard a lot about donald trump. obviously, the comments he's made and the proposal he made to dan and the muslims entering the
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united states and still pretty don t controversi controversial. from where you sit, what's the actual impact by leading a republican presidential candidate? >> that's a tricky question for a foreign diplomat to answer. let me answer. it enables them to say see, we told you say. it also harms us. how are you going to, how's it going to be helpful to ban a
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young student whose coming here to study so he can go back. >> to just stay on this point, there's been a lot of polling on this question. most americans are against this idea trump has put forward. a large number of republicans are for it. what does that tell you about how much does that concern you by a lot of measures maybe the majority of the republican party thinks this is a good idea? >> it tells me america is becoming more polarized and
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devicive. it makes me wonder. >> all right. diplomatic, very diplomatic. thank you so much for being with us. tom, thank you so much. always a great honor having you here as well. coming up next, we are going to talk about what you just said with the republican front runner, donald trump. he's going to be joining us live. you're watching morning joe.
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who are you? >> i'm really rich. i'll share that. >> i love my dad. i would kill for him. i would go to prison for him. >> finish what you started. >> those claims are absolutely true. >> unless they were there at that time, why would they know about that? >> to be successful, air strikes will have to be combined with ground forces. >> i don't know if sand can glow in the dark but we're going to find out. >> the force is strong with this one. that's america and i'm really excited about the new star wars movie. >> oh my god. >> wow, welcome back to morning
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joe. by the way, joey went to see it last night. >> how did he do? did he love it? >> this is the worst thing in the world. this is the stupidest, worst. >> this is the greatest thing. >> all right thinking americans care. >> he said it's amazing. >> abunch of weird does in costumes with fake contraptions flying around in them. guys, hello. this is not 1970. >> oh my lord, i can't wait to see that. jay delivers. everybody says the same thing. jay delivers. this is nothing short of it. >> this is horrible. >> i've got chills. >> what's horrible? >> do you have chills? >> of course, i have chills. >> you will never get that three hours back. >> you know what. >> or four, whatever the heck it is. >> it's going to be at least eight hours for me. >> it's going to seem like eight.
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>> i'm going to see it four times and see it with all my sons and they're going to be seeing star wars with their sons 25 years from now. >> i don't get it. >> there's going to be one crank in the crowd saying they don't get it and it will be called aunt mika. >> it's going to be a huge business story. >> that's america, spending money on that crap. >> look at paris here. let's talk, john, about business. let's talk about disney and their investments. so they pay four. >> and everyone hates me. >> they pay $4 billion. at the time, a lot of people said that's a lot of money. they're going to make that back with this movie. >> of course, they are. >> there's going to be one every year, year and a half. disney is going to end up making 20-$30 billion off this through the years. what an incredible investment. >> people will look back on it and think it's obvious, this was
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an obvious thing to do because of the strength of the star wars franchise and forget about the three prekwauquals and how bad were. >> it was a big bold gamble. >> if you're going to do it and you want to make sure it's a success and this is a good management deal. go to jay j.j. and say how much money do we have to may you and it's going to work and it has work and everybody around this table. >> still with us we have john, harold ford jr., jonathan capeheart and eugene robinson. >> gene, you and your sons going to go see it? >> are you kidding? absolutely. this morning driving to the studio i was plotting out, okay, when are we going to go and i'm so excited about this movie,
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this is terrific. >> i've got four kids ages 7-27 and every one of them are talking about this. >> also joining us. >> i was wondering just a minute ago does mika hate jesus too? >> that's not even -- >> thank you for saying that so i didn't have to. >> i know. somebody had to. >> when she gets cold, you know what she does, she runs into the fireplace and gets three american flags and. >> stop. come on. i don't know which is a worse joke. joining us now is moderator of meet the press and host of mtp daily, chuck todd. >> chuck todd, are you going to go see it? >> of course, i'm worried about the dark side, mika. it's strong in that one, joe. the dark side is strong in that one. >> yes, it's beautiful. i actually sat through e.t.
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>> e.t., star wars, not the same. >> i walked o ut ut of star war back in 1977 and i can't believe people are still buying into this. it's stupid. >> all you need to know about mika is this. i said mika there are shak shakespeare efforts in this. she said i don't like shakespeare either. 430 years later they're still following that. so the first national poll conducted after this week's debate is just out and the results show not much has changed. >> ted cruz comes in at 11%,
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marco rubio in fourth at 9% and jeb bush at 7%. >> let's just hold this up for a second. >> we've noticed post paris, dond trump's lead only increa s increases. at what point do they start saying the guy tripling and quadrupling everybody has the inside track? >> to me, it's about iowa. in all fairness, joe, if there were the same point in time for years ago or eight years ago we would say iowa will impact the national polls more than the national polls impact iowa. now, that said, if you look at trump's strategy, if you look at marco rubio's strategy, there is this new theory among many
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inside these campaigns who think no, the national story line and the national polls will impact what happens in iowa and what happens in new hampshire. that's what we're sitting here trying to figure out is which matters more. previous cycles we would always say pay no attention to the national polls because it's what happens in iowa. the national polls react to that. hillary clinton has double digit leads in the polls at this time. >> trump is organizing there. if trump wins it, then you can see an acceleration. if trump wins iowa, then everybody says this is real. he turned out his people. there could very well be an acceleration for him.
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i think the pressure on rubio, it's funny you bring that up. what is he going. >> that is clearly coming from done nors. where do donors go to complain about campaign strategy? the new york times. whether it was jeb bush or rubio supporters. where does he win? this idea of somehow not winning either iowa or new hampshire and hoping there's a third and second place finish, well, okay. it hasn't been done before. >> has anybody about the table, anybody here ever heard of a guy winning iowa with one field office? >> he has one field office in iowa, his own people complaining he doesn't come there enough. new hampshire has become the
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butt of jokes, he never shows up there. i'm not picking on marco. i'm asking where is marco and why does people say this guy who barely shows up it makes me wonder why he's running for president. >> he may be running for vice president. >> can you run for vice president and do this poorly at the outset before anyone has even voted? i said in the last hour it seems like he's good at presentation when he's at the debates he does well, speaks well, looks great. he's the image of the savior of the republican party as time magazine called him but as we're seeing as these reports are filtering out, his campaign, he and his campaign are a bit of a
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village. >> he's greater than any other establishment candidate in the field right now. he's the highest ranking establishment candidate in iowa. he's not likely to win iowa. this doesn't go to the organization question. the theory is he'll be the best finishing establishment candidate in iowa. that will put him in a good position to win or finish second in new hampshire. i'm not trying to validate that strategy. i think for the donors who have lined up behind him, they look at him and say he's the closest one that can sort of repeat in the grass roots tea party lane and the most electable of the existing candidates who run the strongest against hillary clinton. to me, it's a much more
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compelling argument on paper than it is in practice so far. it does raise the question of not what's wrong with marco but what is it that's kept the vote from coalescing around anybody? >> who cares, people are done with the party. who cares. who cares that marco rubio is performing well? >> this sums up what we were talk about the last hour. i don't think carson is going to win. we're going to say why are we so obsessed with finding that one candida candidate. 50% of them were serving people
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who said they hated the republican establishment. >> it's possible. i took in what mika just said there. it's true. there's many in the party that are passionate about doing something different. they want a total change and marco rubio, again, to go just said he's doing all the on paper things correctly. that assumes that there are enough folks in the republican primary whether the iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, wherefore, who are ready to compromise. this republican elector ra leles color right now. we'll see, maybe the voters when they go into st. caucus they'll get a little more pragmatic. maybe that will matter to them who matches up best against hillary clinton. i don't see it right now.
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i think they want bold. >> if you want someone to be hillary clinton, it will be trump. he'll do things those candidates won't do. i'm not saying it's pretty or right but the democratic party has a problem if trump wins the nomination. >> you're going to hear first from mika, let's talk about rubio, cruz and everybody else underneath trump. it makes me nervous if i were announcing a football game and i saw two guys on the same team punching each other on the sidelines losing by 30 points. you have donald trump ahead by 25 points, 30 points in polls everywhere except iowa. >> what are his opponents doing? they're throwing their helmets off and punching each other on the sidelines. every time i see cruz and rubio fighting each other, what are you doing? you're going to get 20-30 points ahead and you're taking your helmets off on the side leans
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and punching each other in the face. that's not going to stop donald trump. >> do you think rubio has heard two things? he's a one term senator and republicans have complained about the current president and two, doesn't the cruz thing help him a bit in getting more air time. >> helps rubio? i'm curious. >> when you got a guy 20 points ahead of you, if you want to win the republican nomination, you got to beat the guy that's 20 points ahead of you. if you want to be vice president i guess you beat up the guy in second place. as far as, i've got to say robinson, i'll just be honest. what do you have against marco? you have nothing against marco. i don't know marco. when they started calling him the republican savior, i immediately said oh my god, this is the republican party's version of barack obama.
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a guy that just moves into washington is immediately pushed out there before he's ready to be the great hope for the party and i'm sorry. we criticized barack obama for not being ready. i still think democrats did a great service to this country not selecting hillary and republicans are at least the establishment are all going on and on about this one term senator. >> well, barack obama at least put together a really good campaign with marco rubio and he has not bothered to do. he was anointed as segregate of the party because how good he looks on paper. he's young, good looking, got descent hair, he's latino. he seemed to have the sort of new generation appeal that might be enough to carry the republican party across the finish line but you got to run
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the race. you got to keep running. this is more like a vice presidential campaign right now obviously, things could change, than a presidential campaign. i don't think this spat with cruz is at all good for him. you know, what's happened is rubio was kind of hanging around in third place and he's fallen a bit and up comes cruz. i think he's if not sinking he's certainly slumping. >> if they're chasing trump, both of them lose. >> are we going to him now? the other side of the break we'll have donald trump as our guest. chuck todd, thank you very much. what are you working on for sunday's meet the press? >> we got paul ryan who got through his first tax and spending bill. i have to say if john boehner had done this same bill, knives would be out. somehow paul ryan is floating
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above it. >> it's fantastic. >> it's fascinating. i guess he still has a honeymoon. we'll also have bernie sanders and some other stuff. >> still ahead on morning joe. >> putin mentioned donald trump. said he welcomes, donald trump wants better relations with r h russia and we welcome that. >> that's a match made in heaven. >> putin and trump you mean. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line.
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you have said that hillary clinton does not have enough energy to be president but you and she are about the same age. >> right. >> so? >> i have a lot of energy. she doesn't have the strength or stamina. >> her people would argue as secretary of state and now she travels all over the world and speaks everywhere. is it because she's a woman, is that what you're saying? >> you'll look at hillary, she does an event and she goes back home and goes to sleep. you don't see her.
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>> you don't know that. >> i think so. >> joining us now, republican presidential candidate donald trump. donald, good morning. >> good morning. >> how's it going? >> it's going well. >> yeah, do you like putin's comments about you? >> sure. when people call you brilliant it's always good especially when the person heads up russia. >> well, also a person that kills journaleist and political opponents and invades countries. also, that would be a concern, would it not? >> he's return running his country and at least he's a leader. >> but again, he kills journalist that don't agree with him. >> i think our country does plenty of killing also, joe. you know. there's a lot of stuff going on in the world right now, joe. a lot of killing going on and a lot of stupidity and that's the way it is. you didn't ask me the question.
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you asked me a different question. that's fine. >> i'm confused. so you obviously condemned putin killing journalist and political opponents, right. >> oh sure, absolutely. >> so how would america's relationship with russia change if you were president? >> well, i think it would be good. i've always felt fine about putin. i think he is a strong leader. he's a powerful leader. he's represented his country the way the country is being represented. he's got popularity within his country. they respect him as a leader. certainly the last couple of years they've respected him as the leader. obama's in the low 30s, upper ho 40s and he's in the 80s. >> what would you do as president as commander in chief
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to drive putin's forces out of cr ukraine and make sure he doesn't move further west and move those troops? >> you know, pretty strong views. many, many freentds friends fro and they're fantastic people but when i see those countries not engaged and we're totally engaged and i ask myself, here's this big monsterous country, germany, and they hardly speak up, they accept his oil and gas and lots of other things and here we are fighting like hell and oh 19 trillion in debt and nothing but problems in this country and we're sitting on a big fat beautiful bubble that's ready to explode, financial bubble, i'm talking about. and we're always at the forefront of leading the charge. i think other countries have to get involved with that, joe.
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you have the crew crane and it effects other countries a held of a lot more than us. >> if it's strong american leadership, other countries will follow. >> would you consider giving the missile defense system? >> i would consider that, absolutely. when you say follow, i think that's great but maybe we should do a little bit of following and let the neighbors tell us like let the neighbors take more of an active roll in the ukraine. i don't see a lot of active roll from the neighbors around ukraine. i see us saying get out of ukraine and i would like to see enthusiasm from the people directly effected. >> i think that a lot of americans would agree with you but wouldn't some obama critics say that sounds a lot like
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leading from behind. >> i don't think it's leading from behind. i want to see our country get rebuilt again. our country is falling apart frankly. our infrastructure is a disaster. our bridges are falling down. 61% of bridges are in danger. our whole country is a mess and you know, you're asking me a question. there's lots of things we can do. but one of things i want to do is make america great again. >> you're talking about limiting america's reach here. much like george bush in 2000 before 9/11 talked about having a more humbled foreign policy. if that's the case, do you think we've spent too much in defense spending and it's a good idea and we should use that money we're not spending on the pentagon to rebuild our infrastructure? >> i think we have to rebuild our military.
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that doesn't mean we have to use it. we've used our military far too much on certain things and not well. i think we have to rebuild our military frankly. i think our military is in shambles. today we have to be the most prepared. i'm very pro and strong on the military. i'm also strong on rebuilding our infrastructure in our country and rebuilding stochool and education systems. >> mow >> how do we pay for that? >> we spent $5 trillion in the middle east. probably close to 3 trillion in iraq. we have nothing.
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nobody's done to a country what iran has done to us. we have hand and gift wrapped iraq. by the way, the second largest oil reserves in the world. so iran made one deal better than the nuclear deal by a factor of hundreds. >> i want to ask you about a ban that's been going for weeks. cords asking whether you agree or not. i'm asking if you could speak to the muslim american population and tell them what you would do or say as president to make sure
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they feel that they are as much a part of this country as everyone else is. >> sure. i have many friends that are muslim. there's a lot going on. i seen various polls where 25% of the people would support and really, you look at some of the numbers, 25% of the people would support very, very substantial violence from within. that's not acceptable. the type of violence we're talking about is extraordinary. >> i'm asking what you would do or say to the muslim american population to make sure they feel welcomed in this country as much as any other american. i'm not asking you about what it
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is that's going on or something going on, whatever. i'm asking about the positive message that you have for muslim americans who live in this country. >> you can't ask that question without saying there's something going on and everybody knows it. when i first brought that up, i didn't do anything for polls. i assumed it would be bad for polls. i don't care about polls from that standpoint. i'm doing what's right. it's a dialogue and has to be discussed. there were numerous people that knew what was going on, mika. why weren't they reported? why weren't these people reported. one thing i think the muslim population in this country has
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to do -- >> i don't understand why you keep going to the part of the story you know has already touched and struck a cord with the primary voters. i'm asking about the muslim american population, the peaceful citizens of this country. >> i'm all for them. when they see something going on. >> they are getting harassed. >> mika. >> they are getting pigeon holed from the comments. is there a positive message you have for peaceful muslim americans? >> yeah, there's a positive message but we have a problem and the problem is a very severe problem and they have to help us to solve this problem. they have to help themselves because they are actually helping themselves. we do have a problem with radicalization within that community. they have to report it, they have to let us know about it and if they don't, it's just going to be a continuation. they say there are many, many
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cells like you have with the two people. the one came in the ridiculous visa program. all they had to do was check, if they checked her facebook account they would seen she was radicalized and wanted to do great harm to our country. could you imagine hiring somebody if you ran a good business and not checking a facebook account? >> john. >> hey donald. it's john. >> hi, jon, how are you? >> i'm all right. i want to ask you a few questions about the debate the other night and about your friend ted cruz. your moderator said the other night you called cruz a maniac. when you were asked that on stage you responded by saying i have gotten to know him over the last three or four days and he's got a wonderful temperament. can you explain in what way you've gotten to know him and what did you learn?
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>> well, honestly, john in all fairness i was being cute and having fun and did it with a smile and of all the people running, i will say, i get along with most of them hard to believe. a lot of people would say that's not true but it is. i get along with most of them. one of the things amazing to me is off the stage it's like a love fest. that's politicians. that's the way politicians behave. you don't see the real person. with ted cruz, i've gotten along with him very nicely and i very cutely said it and it was well accepted. he said nice things about me. when people say nice about me, i generally reciprocate and i was being a little bit cute and got a big laugh and that was the end of that, yeah. >> let me ask you about something joe said the other day when he saw your behavior with senator cruz. joe said there's an inside deal between these guys whether it's
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direct or indirect, donald and senator cruz have decided they're not going to go after each other because that's in their political interest. is that true? >> it's not true. we got along very well prior to the debate. we didn't talk about this, we didn't do that. we did speak. not about this. not about let's get along. it wasn't like that. but we got along nicely. i didn't know what to expect. i went out on that stage and if i would have believed all of the pund nts, most of who have been wrong about me for years but certainly wrong about me for the last six months starting with the fact that i won't run. i would have believed i was going to be attacked by 14 people viciously and i was ready for that. >> nobody attacked. jeb was the only one that attacked you. why do you think marco and everybody else stayed away from you? >> i don't know. i think they did a very smart thing but i don't know.
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>> donald, if you were in second or third or fourth place and 20 points behind, it's confounding to me as a political analyst, that would be like kneeling if you're down 30 points at half time and just trying to run up the clock. why aren't they attacking you when they're down 20 points. >> most of them have numerous people to go through. you look at him. i think jeb copiieied his polls and remembered a couple of lines handed to him by his pollster. i think jeb makes a mistake because he has a lot of people to go through before he gets to me. i think that's true with most of them. so i think i probably would agree you have to go after the couple of people right in front of you, frankly.
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>> hi mr. trump. four years ago mitt romney said russia was our biggest strategic enemy. president obama said he would reach out to adversarie adversa phone. could you understand why some would wonder for years russia has been our greatest adversary dealing with iran and syria and obviously, the actions. it would seem to be troubling to have putin praise you as he has and i understand your comments. tell me how you would work with him better to make us safer and perhaps make europe and the rest of the world safer. >> sure. look, i'm a deal maker. i make deals. really good deals. if you study what i've done, that's when i file my financials, people get it. i'm a deal person. sure, i could see if you want to be tough guys and everything, i
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could see russia being a big problem and mitt romney making that statement, frankly. i can also see russia being a big asset to our country and i think that's the way it's going to be. they're a powerful nation and they have a big military base and force and i think they can be a lot of good things happen with russia if we get along well and they respect us. putin does not respect our president. a lot of people don't respect our president. our president does not like putin. there's tremendous. i see it, look. as a person that does deals all the time, it's all about people. everything's about people. i watch those two sitting in two chairs looking at each other and i say wow, that's really bad chemistry. i just look at it. obama and putinme. i look at it and say that's seriously bad chemistry. nothing good is going to come
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out of that. there's a lot of bad chemistry there and it's been that way for years. it just doesn't work. i think russia can be a positive force with respect and can help us. we have a problem with isis. when russia started with we want to get isis, now, probably they knocked out as plain but putin doesn't want anything to do with isis. he doesn't want isis coming into russia. i think that's a real positive. when he starts bombing and been bombing the held of out them. he wasn't really bombing isis. he was bombing other folks that were not isis involved in theory. now he is and i think that's a positive force. anybody that wants to bomb isis, congratulations, join the line. i'm all for you. >> jonathan. >> mr. trump, on the front page of my paper, the washington post, trump's rally majority not
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so silent. cheers, cheers, a slur and a punch. it makes me come back to your talk about leadership. you talk about leadership a lot. i wonder if you feel any responsibility for your crowds for keeping them and the passions that they clearly have and that you've tapped into keeping them in check whether it's black lives matter protesters being punched and assaulted or as in this story about latinos being yelled at. do you feel any responsibility being a leader and telling your followers there's a certain way the talk about these issues in this country? >> i haven't seen your stories so i don't know exactly. i can tell you all my rallies, the one you were talking about was a tremendous success and was great. there's a lot of love in those rallies. there's tremendous love there. the person that you're referring
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to from black lives matter was really, really out of line. i mean unbelievable. i think in fact, the screaming, i think it was one person. we were unable to speak. his voice was unbelievable. honestly, wouldn't stop. then the police went and it was the police and they weren't my police, jonathan. these were the police that worked for the convention center or whatever. they were really not behaving well. really, really terrible. nobody talks about that side of the story. nobody talks. again, jonathan, these weren't my people. these were people that worked for the city.
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now, with all that being said, my rallies has tremendous spirit and tremendous love. these are people that love our country. these are people that have watched and these are smart people, by the way. very smart people. these are people that have watched our country be like so foolishly run and so stupidly run at so many levels and these are people in great spirit. unbelievable spirit. i think his problem is i could have 15 or 20,000 people. if there's one person that's a prote protester. >> i thought it was interesting. sarah pay lin at the end of sarah's 2008 campaign, when joe biden was getting 200 people and getting thousands and thousands you would have people in the main stream media sweeping through the crowds desperately trying to find people wearing a
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confederate flag. every sarah palin rally. not the fact she was getting 10,000 people or however many thousands. i don't know the exact number. i'm being told we have to go to break. we appreciate you being with us. good luck out there. be safe. say something nice about a muslim american today. >> i will. i will. thank you very much. >> thank you. a new new hampshire poll has just came out. this is the boston harold. it's fascinating. trump 26. now, listen to the establishment, guys clumped up. rubio 12. cruz 12. christie 11. bush 10. bush moving up. kasich, eight. fiorina six. bush 10, christie 10.
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with us now jack lew. yesterday he shared a security counsel meeting which resulted it was a rare moment of international unity. the u.s. and russia sponsored a resolution in dozens of nations. it was a unanimous vote in the security council. and it put isil in a class that no country, no force, no organization should want to be in, that the world was saying anyone who is connected to you in any way, directly or indirectly, can be sanctioned for any kind of support. >> what are the key leverage points? >> the key leverage points are getting the whole world together to make that statement. we have pretty effective shut isily off from the international financial system. we now need to tighten the screws -- >> and where do we do that? >> we have already been pretty
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successful cutting them off from the formal financial system. we need to cut them off from the informal financial system. they've grown in terms of their fund being needs. if we can shut down some of their funding, it doesn't have to be all of their funding, forces them to make tough choices. what we've done is very effective on the oil side. we've taken out over 400 takers that are moving oil in isil-controlled territory. that means that oil can't be transported, sold and produce revenue for isil. >> do we consider going the next step and taking out the actual infrastructure, the pipelines, refineries? >> we have been striking oil infrastructure for some time. there are some parts of the oil infrastructure that are more formal than others. as others have pointed out to
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me, don't think pipeline, think hoses. the infrastructure is not all the big industrial infrastructure, but we are hitting them at the places where they refine oil, where they transport oil and we need to do more. we need to shut it down as much as we can. weep also can't fool ourselves. when they have trouble getting money from oil revenue, they'll move to other things, like extorting money from people who live in isil-controlled territory. no one's doing business with you. you can't sell concrete, just like you can't sell oil. when they get money, they spend it on evil things. >> the "financial times" reported $900 million that isil brought in last year. that's a big chunk of change. >> they don't pay taxes on that either. >> the black market is where they're bringing in a lot of this money. one of the questions goes to you
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can shut off the formal -- the international monetary system but it's hard to get at the black market because it is the black market. >> if you look at isil, even over the last 18 months, their fund being sources have evolved substantially. at the beginning what they did, they conquered territory. they took the banks and stole the money. that was like a sinking fund they used. they then diversified and moved into oil and extorting money. that's why the effort on oil is so important. we've gotten more effective as we've gotten more ability to strike at the heart of it. yesterday's meeting was quite historic. it the first time in the history of the nations that the finance minister met -- >> you're talking about them the way one talks about a
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multi-diverse operation. these people are running this operation like a company. >> but they also have vulnerabilities because of how spread out they are. they need a lot of money to support the fighters they put in the field and if we can degrade their funding sources, we can degratd their efforts. when we say the agreement was historic and important, the test will be execution. as they shift into other sources of funding, do we move and evolve to stop them? we need to be more determined not to deal with just where they were yesterday but where they're going tomorrow. >> it's great you got this agreement yesterday but you have
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a person within the treasury department whose job it is, adam zoobin is the undersecretary for counterterrorism and financial crimes, he's been waiting for congress to approve his position for 240 some days. why won't they approve whose job it is to financially fight isis? >> john, he's respected by democrats and republicans alike who has been the expert who has designed so much of our sanctions effort and congress has to get beyond politics and move a nominee who needs all asset at his disposal to fight terror. i don't comment on monetary policy but i couldn't on the
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core strength. u.s. economy. i think where we are right now if you compare what the economy looked like seven years ago is night and day. we've created over 13 million new jobs, we see strength in many parts of the economy. consumer demand is good, auto sales at historic level, housing is coming back in a stronger way. i think we're seeing a u.s. economy that's doing that much better. we're not satisfied until the benefits of growth are shared by all americans who want to work and are able to work. we're not there yet. but the u.s. economy is doing well. there are international headwinds. we are growing at a substantial rate. my job is to make sure we're doing as well as we can. as i look ahead to work with my colleagues around the world to make sure we get the global economy moving.
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>> in a certain way, yeah. i hate to say it. if i lost the nomination, yeah, i guess i'd call myself a loser. >> good morning. it's friday, december 18th. well, that's honesty. welcome to "morning joe." happy friday, everybody. can you believe it? i can't. with us on set we have the managing editor of bloom berle politics, john heilemann, former democratic congressman harold ford jr., john this afternoon capehart and eugene robinson. did you see what happened with senator bernie sanders? he has already -- right now he's writing his inaugural address. despite trailing hillary clinton in the polls. here's what he told the
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"huffington post" in an interview yesterday. >> if i started writing my inaugural speech as opposed to the speech i have to give tomorrow? look, the answer' yes. it is a very sobering thought to be thinking of one's self as president of the united states and the enormous responsibilities that go with that. >> sanders is poised to reach another major benchmark. his campaign has now received more than 2 million campaign contribution. and sanders has picked up his biggest labor endorsement to date, from the 700,000 member communications workers of america, the union's president has said his organization decided to back sanders after its members made their preference overwhelmingly clear in an online poll. >> i think what we are seeing is a lot of grass roots support in
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union after union throughout this country. but that support has not necessarily trickled up to the leadership. what i would have opened is that unions who believe in democracy would have done what the cwa has, really create a wide open process. made we'd win, maybe we wouldn't win, i don't know. but i think we would have one a lot more national union support. >> perhaps sanders' biggest win of the day came when the million member progressive group democracy for america announced that it, too, was throwing its support behind the democratic challenger. it's the same group that helped lead the effort to draft elizabeth warren into the group and it is the first time it has opted to back a presidential candidate.
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it is at odds when its founder, harold dean, who is backing hillary clinton. >> her lead continues to grow in the early states that matter the most. you look at the momentum in the campaign. it it rests with her and her came pain. i've always believed the messier and more complicated the world is and unfortunately it gets that way, not only does she look more presidential, i think more and more democrats and more and more independents begin to see the value, the credibility and the strength of her candidacy and ultimately her presidency. >> you look at new hampshire polls, he's ahead there. the latest bloomberg poll has him within single digits. this is far from a slam dunk for hillary clinton. i think almost everybody would put their money on her right now but in 2016, as your co-host says, it is quite possible we could have a political
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earthquake where you could have sanders and trump winning iowa and new hampshire. >> possible. you know, at the moment more likely -- well, i don't know. maybe more likely -- a little more likely that bernie sanders will win iowa and new hampshire than trump can do both of those given the way cruz is surging in iowa. we think our poll is the gold standard out there and "the regist regist register" and its pollsters are pretty good. pore bernie sanders to be coming into the caucus to be 9 points back and where you had seen polling where she had pulled to a 20, 25-point lead. i foal like he's within striking distance there. the question is going to be all about can can they mobilize a bunch of new caucus goers. they can do that -- look, he
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needs to -- there's a huge -- he's pointing to a huge disparity, which i think is right, between what a lead opinion thinks and grass opinion thinks. >> the rank and file. kp on the ground in iowa, the sanders people have a very good operation. so do the clinton people. i think it's going to be a very, very close race there. and i know that the clinton campaign knows that when they -- if they lose that race, it will create a very volatile dynamic. >> and obviously iowa slapped the clinton team down in 2008 where she came in third place. she doesn't have a great history there and it seems like a populist, democratic caucus that would play to best's strengths. i think we'd be foolish to point him out. >> she's in a good position but here's an interesting take by
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peggy noonan. what a year of wonders, the political parties stopped their roles, styles and ways of being the republicans stayed orderly. not anymore. it is the democrats accepting a core on as and the re mrs. clinton considering interview requests is like a queen pointing at necklaces on a jeweler's pillow. i'll take that one, i'll think about that one. but at least they're alive and fighting like it matters. >> i think a lot of republican leaders would prefer to be a little less alive. >> you know, all of them would prefer that. it's a very good column by peggy. i wrote this morning that a
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republican optimist would say exactly what she said, that at least we're fighting it out and debating these serious issues. you know, the party is also cracking up and has been hijacked by donald trump and nobody knows what's going to happen. so all in all, sure, i think republican leaders would, you know, give anything to be in the position of the democrats. >> well, nothing has changed too much since the debate. the first national poll conducted after this week's republican debate is just out and the results show not much chang. 36% for donald trump, triple the strength of his competitor. >> marco rubio in at fourth at 9% and jeb bush at 7%. the resilience of trump's support comes.
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>> what are you all doing here? we're going to make america great again skp. >> make america great again! >> what are some adjectives you'd use to describe mr. trump? >> strong. >> we need strong people. >> he's a businessman. >> i'm a world class businessman. >> why are you here? >> i'm here because we're $19 trillion in debt. >> we have $19 trillion in debt in. >> $19 trillion is too much. >> he's not maybe even politically correct and i'm okay with that. i. >> i think i admire that he's not politically correct this the fact that he says he'll take care of our veterans -- >> we're going to take care of
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our vets! our vets are being mistreated so badly, it's horrible. >> i notice when i travel to europe, they used to think of us in such high regard. >> they had respect for our country. >> now i feel like we're looked down upon. >> we're not ---y not. >> marco rubio considered the savior after he hit a triple on hit t-ball team. hitting at 9% in a national poll. and these stories are finally
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starting to bubble up. mark halperin and i have been saying for a very long time where's the beef? yeah, he can talk well on tv. awesome. is he doing what it takes to get elected. >> i saw l of their horrible ground game in iowa and new hampshire lessens chances. and right now there's more and more stories cropping up, where is marco? where is the rest of him? where is the promise? >> here's the thing i found fascinating about senator rubio, in every debate he was terrific, he sounded great, looked great. he commanded the stage and you could see him becoming the nominee. you could see him as that savior of the republican party as "time" magazine pro.
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>> he's got one field office in the entire state of iowa. >> and you can't run a campaign and you certainly can't win a state if you've got one field office in the first contest in the country. >> harold, if i were supporting any candidate that said, hey, i'm going to do some commercials and sort of drop, in i'd be horrified. donald trump is organizing on the ground everywhere. >> if trump was doing similar things as hub. >> there's into doubt, you have to echo. rubio probably won't be that
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establishment savior, which makes you think does bush still have life, can christie find a path to do it? if i had to place a wager today, i'm going to say you all probably as much as anybody have touted and trum pepped this no your shocking to me, john, when i look at who's going to win, the first thing i do is look at organization. the "new york times" has had marco in their little one, two, three, four, five, who's going to win the republican nomination? seriously, i would take a bat
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the "new york times" still says he's a favorite. >> if you look at the betting markets around the world, marco's the favorite. >> why is that? >> i think despite the tumult, there will still be an establishment front-runner and the party will do what it does. in the end it will emerge to form. >> doesn't that look like it's far more likely to be ted cruz because he's got the money? >>. >> he's never going to be an established many. >> look what's happening in north carolina, and new hampshire, the early states. it's possible that this will be the great anomaly that the
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republicans just will never coalesce. the establishment lane will never have its front-runner. >> i think he's right. you look back over the last three, four, maybe even five monies this goes back. but oaf 50% of the republican vote has been going to non-establishment candidates. now it's ben carson, donald trump and ted cruz. i do think people are going to look back after this is all over and say, wait, what made them think there was going to be some republican establishment savior that was going. >> i think everybody. and "it makes no sense anymore to speak of the gop without
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specifying which one, the party that celebrates immigration, central to the american experiment or the one that wants to round up 11 million people living here without papers and kick them out? the party that believes in u.s. military ent vengs or the one in a beliefs a strive a realist would say this is a party that appears to believe in everything, which is the same as believing in nothing. >> you could put paul ryan by the first sentence each time and donald trump bit second sentence each time. >> the republican party has changed. there are a lot of enough republicans. they're different republicans. we've seen this great success at the level of congressional
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elections and state level elections. but the party has to accommodate these new republicans in its views. and it it really believe in entitlement reform? now it's we want to spend more and reform other re. >> still ahead on "morning joe," one of the country's biggest advocates for cyber security.
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defense secretary ash carter is on the last leg of his
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week-long visit to the middle east. he also discussed the controversy here at home a, acknowledging he, quote, made a mistake, by using his personal iphone to seasoned work-related e-mails. >> this is a mistake i made with respect to e-mail. entirely my mistake. entirely on me. particularly with someone in my position and with the sensitivities to this issue, should have known better. there were plenty of people during the time that you're taking office and so forth who plane i didn't have the opportunity to understand what the right thing to do is. i didn't do the right thing. this is entirely on me. >> oh, my gosh. wait, hold on. if hillary clinton had just said
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that. it's over. i screwed up. it's entirely on me. >> except she had a server in her house. >> never mind. >> ash carter just made it very clear that there's plenty of people that tell you the rules when you get there and he used his iphone anyway. what, is that like something i shouldn't talk about anymore? >> no, ash carpeter used his personal e-mail account since the time he started in february and during the hillary clinton scandal. he said he never used it for classified information and also mika's talking about the regulation. everything was backed up on the server. >> the senate armed services kmd now says it will review carter's personal e-mails to make sure no sensitive information was compromised. here's the chairman of the
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committee, senator john mccain. >> i wonder what planet that ash carter was residing on when this whole thing broke about hillary clinton. wouldn't a normal person say, hey, she's in trouble and maybe i ought to stop? even the french are saying the president may be part of a solution. >> before was packing my luggage and i had to leave. now i can stay. they've been saying the same for four years now. >> bashar al assad thumbs his nose at american diplomacy. we'll chairs a critical meeting on syria. ♪ ♪ that's the way love goes, that's the way love goes ♪
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70 years ago, a group of leaders forged a group that was what they called "present at the creation." we may well look back at 2015 and realize that we were present at thein raveling. at the beginning of this year, president obama was still committed to degrading and ultimately destroying isil.
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he had warned, quote, if left unchecked, isil could pose a threat beyond the middle east, including the united states and in 2015, that's exactly what happened in paris and san bernardino and it will not be the last. >> that was senator john mccain on the senate floor blasting president obama's isis strategy. we have state department spokesman john kirby. it's great to have you finally on the set in new york. you're not sightseeing. you're up here because secretary of state john kerry is starting a meeting. >> that's right. there's a gathering right now to talk about how we can put more fidelity on a political transition going on in florida. one is what's the framework of a
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cease-fire. two, how do we get the process going? there's a lot of work to cover this morning. later this afternoon they'll go to the u.n. and the goal there is to come away this afternoon with a u.n. security council resolution that sort of codifies this process. >> so assad mocking efforts to get him to leave, get him to stay temperature secretary of state kerry admitted that getting rid of assad was not going to be an easy thing to do. to go from assad must go to assad can stay has stirred some controversy. >> i think there's been a little bit of hyper ventilation on this. nothing has changed about our view and the secretary's view that assad has to go. i man, we want to get to a government in syria that's responsiblive and responsive
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everyone agrees you need a unified, whole,ist ic in the everybody that sits at the table this morning over there at the palace agrees on how long he should stay or what his control should be. >> john. >> i'm curious about how you're
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enjoying working with the secretary and whether he's starting to get a little tired. >> it's amazing how much life he's brought into the job. ivin joyed every day i've been at the state department for seven months. he's tremendously forgiving on getting things done and big esh use and he's not afraid to tackle these tough issues. >> not just about energy expend tipped this. how committed are the gulf states the middle east states
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that are at the table? how committed are they to removing bashar al assad? >> i think it's fair to say they are very par miss patrioting jabbed sprad of spld san diego plt plt will be of will y-- the are participating and they know that the status quo can't be sustained. what differs is the future of assad. not everybody at the stable still has the same sense of staying in power. that's why it's good to get them together at the table and have these discussions. >> obviously america's
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relationship with the russians has taken a turn for the worse over the last several years, unless you're donald trump of course. seems to be a bromance brewing there. what does the relationship look like today at the end of 2015? >> i'd say it mixed. look, we don't agree with russia on everything. we still have significant differences over ukraine and tensions in europe. we don't recognize the and exation of crimea and sanctions are still in police for what they're doing there and eastern ukraine. i we think that pressure applied to get it all sides to abide by the mince being agreement to get set in place. look, russia was a correct and russia has been on the political
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side. on the military side against isil and syria, not so much so but on the political side, they have been helpful. >> and turkey. talk about our relationship with turkey right now. obviously it very very kpli ket keted. >> well, absolutely. they are becoming a partner against isil. everybody agrees isil's bad and we've got to destroy this group but not every member in the coalition contributes in the same way. it's a coalition of the willing and you have to be willing -- >> and turkey could close their border. >> and we're working with them
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on that. they know they've got a a border problem. they are working through that. we are working to help them. you heard secretary of defense carter talk about the introduction of special operation forces on the other side of the border. there's still we're confident as an al lie and partner and moment of the coalition woo dwt. >> what color -- >> if you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be? i'm not going to do that. >> okay. >> we haddio yousef on earlier today. >> we're talking about -- for those that haven't --
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>> i was thinking -- >> the u.a. ambassador. >> you're thinking everybody belonged to our club money not everybody's in our club. >> when you hear people say that about the saudi effort that, it's really about p.r., not about getting anything done, that this is a paper coalition, what's the response to that line of criticism? >> we think it's useful. we want people in the region to intensify their efforts and their coordination as we have done ours. >> but do you -- i mean, obviously you guys will take all the help we can get but do you think that in the long history of this struggle that this will be a meaningful development or one we'll look back on and say it was a press conference. >> we hope it will be manningful. we need to know a little bit more about what this coalition was about. i think it important to remember when they announced this, it wasn't just about going after
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album and said he wouldn't even listen to it. >> following his arrest on thursday, the fbi said it hadn't seized anything from his home, including the album, triggering tweets like these -- "did you listen at least?" "can you go back and get it?" >> john heilemann, a lot of people have always asked where have i gone across the globe. what is the sticker on the back of -- >> the wu-tang clan -- >> it's the only sticker nextistence -- >> i bought it for $2 million
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but at least i use it as opposed to putting it in my safe or something. >> this guy, i don't mind that he went and spent the money on the thing. i just not cool not to listen to it. >> let's bring in dominic chu. futures are way off this morning. >> the stock market is weaker this morning. saw some pretty big losses yesterday. more than really wiped out everything that we saw after the fed raised interest rates earlier this week. traders are going to be keeping a close eye on a handful of earnings reports and a reading on the u.s. service economy. and one of the big drivers is still oil. prices have taken another dip. we're sitting on nine-year lows. they're already below $35 a barrel. i guess the silver lining is it may help keep gasoline prices lower as we head into the travel
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holiday week. and dollar shave club getting nicked, if you will. they're going to be sued for patent infringement. again, i don't know how many people give these gifts for the holidays but a fun story about razors. >> you guys are hipsters, i can ask you. what's wrong with the bic? >> what is this dollar shave stuff? >> the bic turns the face into confetti, joe. that's why. >> heilemann? it just all sunds little too reckless. >> a bic is not great. you can buy a nice gillette
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mika pressed the republican front-runner about his plan. >> if you could right now speak to the american muslim population and tell them what you would do or say as president to make sure they feel that they are as much a part of this
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country as everyone else is. >> sure. i have many friends who are muslims, they're tremendous people, great people but there's something going on whether you like it or not. i've seen various polls where 25% of the people, you know, would support and really -- i mean, you look at some of the numbers, 25% of the people would support very, very substantial violence from within. that's not acceptable. and somebody said, oh, it's not really 25%, it's only 10% or 7%. well, 1% is not -- the violence we're talking about is extraordinary violence and is not acceptable. >> i'm asking what you would say to muslim americans to make them feel as welcome as other americans. i'm not asking about something going on. i'm asking about the positive
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message you have for muslim americans who live in this country. >> well, you can't ask that question without saying something's going on and everybody knows it. i assumed it would be bad for polls. i don't care about the polls from that standpoint. i'm doing what i think is right. it's a dialogue and it has to be discussed. and frankly, my muslim friends have said you're right, we have to discuss it. look, when you had those two horrible people blow away in california 14 people and others are going to follow because they're very, very severely injured and sitting in hospitals and in big, big trouble, there were numerous people who knew what was going on, mika. why weren't these people reported? but there were numerous people. one thing that the muslim population of this country has to do is they have to surveil their own people. >> i don't understand why you keep going to the part of the story that you know has already touched and struck a cord with
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the primary voters. i'm asking about the muslim american population, the peaceful citizens of this country. what do you have to say to them? >> i'm all for them -- >> that would make them feel welcome in this country because they getting harassed and they are getting pigeon holed because a lot of comments that are being said, some of them from you. i'm just wondering is there a positive message that you have for peaceful muslim americans? >> yeah, it's a positive message, mika, but we have a problem and the problem is a very severe problem. they have to help us to solve this problem and they have to help themselves because they are actually helping themselves. but we do have a problem with radicalization within that community. they have to report it, they have to let us know about it. if they don't, it's just going to be a continuation. >> donald trump answering mika's
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>> oh, gosh. >> i don't want to insult you but if you are creating the perfect candidate, it probably would not be you. >> you're not insulting me. i agree with you. >> you would be younger, you might be better looking. >> now you're insulting me, barbara. i would tend to agree with you 100%. >> wow, that's not nice. >> that was a little harsh. >> i think he's cute. >> what did you learn today? >> i learned that donald trump would not answer my questions that that are popping up at his rallies. >> i was surprised that donald trump was pleased that vladimir
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putin is quasi supporting him. >> and howard stern re-signed. >> this weekend is going to be a huge weekend. jonathan capehart hosting "up." i will be up and watching. stick around. >> good morning. i'm h i'm jose diaz-balart. hillary clinton faces off against bernie sanders and martin o'malley. at the same time, sanders

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