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this someone who is a repeat offender and should he be dealt with harshly? >> ari melber, thanks so much. that's going to do it for this hour of television on msnbc. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's friday, president obama is vowing to leave it all out on the field in the 2016 race. marco rubio punts a big senate vote, but then criticizes it. and the sanders campaign accused of dnc of unsportsman like contact, but who really made the error? it's "mtp daily," and it starts right now. good evening from washington. i'm chuck todd, this is "mtp daily." after a shellacking in 2014, democrats worried 2015 would be a lame-duck year, particularly for the president. instead, president obama scored a string of victories. and today in his final news conference of the year,
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president obama tried to lead with those bright spots, the improving economy, diplomatic deals with iran and cuba, the paris climate agreement, supreme court survival wins of sorts on health care and same-sex marriage. implied in all of this, a rebuke to the 2016 republican candidates who have questioned his leadership, called him recently a feckless weakling and suggested a party change is needed to, quote, make america great again. >> this would not have happened without american leadership. and by the way, the same is true for the iran nuclear deal. the same is true for the transpacific partnership. the same is true for stamping out ebola. something you guys may recall from last year, which was the potential end of the world. american strength and american exceptionalism is not just a matter of us bombing somebody.
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>> but as the president heads into his final year in office, it's a series of foreign policy challenges that's more likely to define, at least his immediate legacy and potentially how it impacts the presidential race and a hangover for the democrat who hopes to replace him in the white house. in december, the presidential approval rating was 43%. he's been criticized for being slow to respond to the public anxiety after the paris and san bernardino attacks. today he was a bit defensive about the criticism he's received for calling isis contained. >> we're going to defeat isis. and we're going to do so by systematically squeezing them, cutting off their supply lines, cutting off their finances, taking out their leadership and infrastructure. we're going to do so in partnership with forces on the ground that sometimes are spotty, sometimes need capacity building, need our assistance,
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need our training. but we're seeing steadily progress in many of these areas. whenever i say that we have made progress in squeezing the territory that they control or, you know, made real in roads against them, what people say is, if something happens around the world, obviously that must not be true. but in any battle, in any fight, even as you make progress, there's still dangers involved. >> that's how the president is able to confront the challenge of security at home which may most impact the race to replace him, especially if his former secretary of state is on the ballot in november. president obama is doing his best to stay relevant going into a noisy presidential campaign year. >> since taking this office, i've never been more optimistic about the year ahead than i am right now. in 2016, i'm going to leave it all on the field. >> and at his state of the union
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address on january 12th, one ever the earliest ones we'll have ever seen. he's going to do his best to influence the country's agenda with a speech that will likely be aspirational and as the white house tried to open up the possibility of an endorsement pretty soon by the president, by the way, in the presidential race. >> i think we will have a strong democratic nominee. i think that democratic nominee will win. i think i will have a democratic successor, and i will campaign very hard to make that happen for a whole variety of reasons, because they're far more likely to share my fundamental vision about where america should go. >> noting that when it comes to the president's 2016 legislative agenda, all three of the democrats vying to replace him oppose one out of the two of his big goals that he mentioned today. the president may believe that the transpacific partnership is the most pro-labor, pro-environment trade agreement in history, but hillary clinton, bernie sanders and martin o'malley are all against it. a lot to dive into on this.
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i want to go big picture and then dive deep in foreign policy. andrea, a year ago at this time, we were wondering, what's he going to be able to do in 2015? they were telling us, he'll be able to work around congress. on paper, even republicans who don't like what he did, admit that. >> he got iran and blocked them, because it wasn't a treaty, from stopping him to do the deal with iran. he has this trade deal, even though they are now threatening not to ratify it. and he has made progress, you know, with a budget -- a long-term budget deal. there isn't a shutdown. which arguably would have been harder for them. now, at the same time, no progress at all on what he says is his biggest priority, which is guns. gun control and reforming the
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criminal justice system. >> part of this, david, today and actually all week long, the president has made a lot of statements, all of them to do with security, terrorism. he had a meeting where he finally admitted where he knows he didn't get it right after paris and san bernardino. he admitted this to me after the james foley beheading. he goes, i didn't handle the theatrics of it correctly. it happened at martha's vineyard. is this a statement about he's uncomfortable doing this on national security issues? >> first, i have to say, it's stated that he had an off-the-record meeting with columnists -- >> no, no, i understand that. >> in terms of the president's ability to communicate where he is, i think the president is trying to take this reserved, attached, somewhat dry personality and find a way to project better to the country what he's doing, the successes
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that he's had, and where he wants to go. i'm not sure how effective he is in that. they gave his list of achievements and they are striking, as andrea was noting. i'm struck looking at him in the way in which he was liberated by the thumping that the democrats got -- >> he took it another way. >> -- in the midterm elections. it freed him from thinking about politics and he became this president who move forward on the policy issues that he cared about, and he began to get one win after another, and he took on a lot of heavy pressure. the iran nuclear deal, he had the opposition of one of america's closest allies, the entire gop leadership. >> a lot of democrats. [ all speak at once ] >> and i didn't even mention cuba, the secret negotiations which broke just a year ago. >> but in this issue of channeling america's anxieties, let me play another clip -- san bernardino.
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here's what he said today. >> it is very difficult for us to detect lone wolf plots or plots involving a husband and wife, in this case, because despite the incredible vigilance and professionalism of all our law enforcement, homeland security, et cetera, it's not that different from us trying to detect the next mass shooter. you don't always see it. they're not always communicating publicly. >> this is what's so hard here. he's basically saying, look, this is going to happen again and by the way, the public knows it. they told us they know this is the new normal. >> they problem he has and they have, is they keep saying, we don't know of any threats to the homeland. and the logical question in rebuttal to that, which is what the reuters correspondent asked, how do you know? because you can't see what they're doing online? and lone wolves are not
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detectible. and his answer was an academically direct answer. >> but is it reassuring? >> it's not reassuring. >> and he can say, i don't do bravado, and i think there are a lot of people that didn't want bravado after 2008, but we're in a different place. >> what people wanted after paris and after san bernardino is not what he delivered from the oval office on that sunday night speech. it was, i know you're scared, you're right to be scared. you don't know where it's coming from. >> and let me tell you what we're going to do. >> that's right. >> david, if the president is a negative factor for hillary clinton, i think it's going to be because of foreign policy. if you look at the poll numbers, 43%, it feels as if it's in response. one could argue his struggles with isis began when the
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decision fwas made with the red line. chuck hagel was told to get an attack ready. he was personally stunned when he was told to pull back, and he used this quote, david. there's no question in my mind, that it hurt the credibility of the president's word when this occurred. >> i think this president began to lose the sense of being powerful in the moment that he said he was going to use force and then didn't. you began to have things like the economists cover headline, what would america fight for? >> and did it unravel relationships with allies? with king abdullah? we hear the rhetoric that says it did. do you buy that? >> actually, i think it was significant. going back to the days of vietnam, we heard presidents worrying about american credibility, and sometimes you think, that's such baloney, what's credibility? well, we have a demonstration over the last three years of precisely what you lose when you say you're going to do something
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and then don't. power is never as powerful in the moment before you use it, when people wonder or worry what you might do. and the minute they think you might not act, that you're not decisive, you're not showing resolve, some of that american power slips away. i think what obama's trying to do, what we saw this week is a president attempting to recover ground, recover strength and the commander in chief's role, to reassure the country without making mistakes. that's his dleilemma. >> chuck hagel was fired, basically. so he has, you could say, an axe to grind, but he's absolutely reflecting what other cabinet secretaries believe. john kerry gave a speech at noon on friday. then the president changed his
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mind with the chief of staff and kerry wasn't notified until 9:00 p.m. friday night to start calling the allies. that hurt kerry in his relationships with foreign leaders. >> thank you both. >> what a great friday night. thank you. >> up next, what speaker of the house paul ryan says about his relationship with president obama. it's a first look at my exclusive sunday sitdown with the congressman. obviously it's not happening on sunday. it already happened. but we'll have new reaction from the dnc after the sanders campaign threatened to sue the party. >> the leadership of the democratic national committee is now actively attempting to undermine our campaign. this is unacceptable.
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let me move to your relationship with president obama. you've been in seven weeks -- correct me if i'm wrong, i don't think you've had a face-to-face
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meeting. >> saw him at the christmas party. >> has there been a one-on-one, two guys leading the country? >> no, but we've talked on the phone a couple of times. he did today invite me over to have a meal with him after the first of the year. >> what do you hope to accomplish with him in a one-on-one meeting? >> we don't agree on much. we see things very differently. i think what we will probably try to do is, where we can get things done, where we can find common ground without compromising principles, get those things done. make sure that that government works. but we're going to have one heck of a contrast in 2016. >> that was part of my exclusive interview with house speaker paul ryan. i spoke to him just after congress approved a $1.1 trillion government spending bill, which both sides calls a compromise bill. we'll have more on how that bill got through the house right here ahead on "mtp daily." i did talk to speaker ryan about the 2016 race and his perspective on the republican party overall.
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you can see the full interview. plus bernie sanders fresh off tomorrow's democratic debate, this sunday on nbc for sunday's "meet the press." coming up, we'll preview that debate and the fight that everyone will be talking about. . (mic tap) ...and making sense. (elephant noise) (donkey noise) when it comes to social security, we need more than lip service. our next president needs a real plan to keep social security strong. (elephant noise) hey candidates! enough talk. give us a plan.
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well, the bernie sanders campaign is facing the fall-out after accessing some of the clinton campaign's voter data. a failure in the software used by the democratic national committee left the entry open. now the sanders campaign said it fired the staffer who accessed the data, but today campaign manager jeff weaver went after the dnc. >> it was our campaign months ago that alerted the dnc to the fact that the campaign data was being made available to other campaigns. at the time, we didn't run to the media, relying on assurances from the vendor that the problem would be resolved. the leadership of the dnc has used this incident to shut down our ability to access our own
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information. in other words, by their action, the leadership of the democratic national committee is now actively attempting to undermine our campaign. we are announcing today that if the dnc continues to hold our data hostage and continues to try to attack the heart and soul of our grassroots campaign, we will be in federal court this afternoon, seeking immediate relief. >> msnbc's steve kornacki interviewed josh you'ret ski, the one staffer who was fired from the sanders campaign. he said they did not misuse the data. >> we knew that what we were doing was trackable, and we were trying to create a clear record of a problem before reporting it. we didn't actually like use it for anything valuable. and we didn't take custodianship of it. if somebody leaves the front door open, and you left a note inside the front door saying you left the door open. then maybe you went and checked the side door too to make sure that door was closed.
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>> documents show that more than one staffer had access to clinton data. even though only one was fired. the clinton campaign has sent out an e-mail saying it's the dnc tipping the scales for the hillary clinton campaign. national press secretary for the clinton campaign, four users linked to the sanders campaign steal data from the clinton campaign, one is fired. i guess the others get a pat on the back. joining me now, luis miranda. thank you for coming on. >> good to be with you. >> let's start with the first allegation from the sanders' campaign that you are locking them out of their own information, that it's one thing to punish them, but you're locking them out from their own information. is that true? >> i think it's important to understand that the facts are pretty clear. the sanders campaign has already fired one staffer and jeff weaver mentioned there may be action against the others,
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because they inappropriately and systematically accessed data belonging to another campaign and that's a very serious issue. we sign the agreements with the campaigns to access the system. there's a set of requirements and there's a protocol that has to be followed. so we're following the protocol to make sure that the information was accessed, because this wasn't just going in -- >> let me stop you there. you said protocol. walk me through the protocol. there was a specific protocol. what is that? explain that to me. >> sure, soon as the vendor notified us about the glitch that was in place for just a number of hours and upon being notified, they had gone ahead and fixed it, but they notified us. we asked them to do a full review to see what happened. what turned up, four staffers in the sanders' campaign had inappropriately and systematically accessed several state files from the clinton campaign. they had gone through and in one case, one of the staffers
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actually exported a report pulled off that data. what we need is a full accounting. we're able to do a certain amount. we need to know what they did when they ran the reports, did others in the office look at them? we've asked for a full accounting. we need to resolve that and ensure all users and the affected campaign, that any information that was compromised during that breach is not any longer in possession of the sanders' campaign. i think that's fairly straightforward. we want to resolve this quickly. there's a big debate tomorrow and we think this should be resolvable quickly. >> why is this public? who chose to make it public? >> it's public because -- well, you know what, i responded to press request and responded transpare transparently, because i thought it was important to lay out the facts and say, here's what we know, and here's what we're trying to find out. that's still the process we're undergoing. we're trying to find the extent
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to which the information was shared internally -- >> but as this went public, then everybody became attractable. if there's a motivation to go public, why did it go public, why wasn't this resolved behind the scenes? >> i think it still needs to be resolved, not behind the scenes, but quickly. the reality is, right now, we have a debate tomorrow, where after tuesday's debate in which the entire party adopted the donald trump agenda, you had ben carson basically saying that children would be grateful to be put out of their misery. >> let's focus on the question. >> we want to resolve this quickly. we think that it can be. we want a full accounting of what happened with that data. if we get that -- >> what is the full accounting mean? what do you need from the sanders campaign that tells you, okay, we have a full accounting? you believe they've misled -- >> we know who accessed the
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data, who looked at it, what happened to the report that was exported and be able to look at ensuring to the affected campaign that none of their data or information is still in the other campaign. we've recommended an independent audit so we can make sure that every side is comfortable with that and that's important to us, to restore the security of the system and the integrity of the data so all users can feel comfortable using it going forward. we want them to use it to engage with voters, but this is not something we want to continue focusing on when the issue has to be about what the voters want to hear about. >> i understand that. as far as the clinton campaign's concerned, how do you repay them? you can't unsee the data that these folks saw. even if you get it back, it can't be unseen with the sanders' folks and i think the clinton campaign is going to be looking for some retribution here or some sort of repayment or something. what can you offer the clinton campaign besides an apology for bad software on your end?
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>> well, one thing we can offer them is ensuring that our vendor does everything it takes to conduct a thorough review of what happened, why did this glitch occur in the first place. put in safe guards to ensure it doesn't have happen. reinforce the fire walls so there's no way they can be violated. i want to make something clear here too. there was no intentional breach here on the part of the sanders campaign. they didn't hack it, nor did anybody else. no data was compromised in any of this. >> so this was a dnc mistake? >> this was a vendor problem, and we instructed them to fix it, but while that opening happened, the campaign should not have accessed data that they could clearly see did not belong to them. that's what is at issue. we need a full accounting so we can resolve that on their end. with the vendor, we're working to restore the integrity and put up safe gards, so this doesn't happen again. >> do you have an appropriate
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punishment for the sanders campaign? having them give some of their data to the clinton campaign? what's fair? >> without the full accounting, it's hard to say what's next. so we need the full accounting, and frankly our time would be best spent to both get on that full accounting and then be able to get focused on tomorrow's debate where you'll have candidates, bernie sanders has had a terrific week, so has senator clinton. we want them to talk about how to keep america moving forward, economic security, which wasn't discussed at all on tuesday, and if we can focus on that, i think the american people are going to see that you have candidates who weren't serious and are not ready to be commander in chief on tuesday, and you have candidates who are tomorrow in this debate. >> well, it appears i was just informed that the sanders campaign has already filed an injunction against the dnc. do you have a response? >> i don't. i haven't seen it. again, i think our time is best spent moving forward on the full accounting so that we can restore access and be able to at
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the same time, focus on the important issues tomorrow. there was no talk on tuesday about how do we actually maintain the economic security of the american people. if you go to the tax cuts for the wealthy approach that the republican candidates want, you'll see what we saw seven years ago -- >> you're deflecting the question. let me go back to one other thing. i understand what you're doing here. but obviously the sanders campaign filed this lawsuit. i go back to why this went public. are you confident that nobody at the dnc leaked this to try to create an embarrassing situation for sanders to the benefit of the clinton campaign? >> absolutely. this was not something that we had anything to do with in terms of leaking. our goal was to establish the facts, to establish what happened with the system, what happened with the data and fix it. and so we didn't do any type of leak. we don't play favorites here. we're objective, we're neutral. our job is to facilitate a good
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and thorough primary process for our candidates. that's what we're doing. >> luis miranda, director of the dnc, tough day to play referee. >> thanks, chuck. >> up next, the who, what, where, when, and why, including the one place you really don't want your cell phone to ring. and the surprising name in the running to replace retiring congressman ruben men rosea of texas. re rheumatoid arthritis like me, and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira giving me new perspective. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened,
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distinguished gentleman, it was jeff johnson, the name you know. we'll see if this works out. to the what. some potential money problems for the mike huckabee campaign. the former arkansas governor cut senior staff salaries, this comes the same week as the communications director departed the campaign. perhaps all related. now to the when. next september when mother teresa is likely to be canonized by the roman catholic church. yesterday pope francis approved a second miracle, setting her on a fast-track for sainthood. now to the where. places you don't want your cell phone to go off. such as the white house press briefing room, during the president's nationally press conference. ♪ for a democratic nominee, even without that -- whose phone is
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on every sunday morning. john williams, a national treasure. up next, the how. how the other republican senators running for period are reacting to marco rubio skipping the vote on the spending bill today. the only u.s. senator running for president to miss the vote. but first, josh lipton with the cnbc market wrap. >> what the hell is -- thanks, chuck. stocks end sharply lower. the dow slides 367 points. the s&p falls 36. the nasdaq falls 79. unemployment fell in 27 dates, 11 states sow jobless rates rise. new mexico had the highest unemployment rate and north dakota had the lowest. shares of jp morgan sinking nearly 3% today. the company will pay more than $300 million to settle conflict of interest charges at two wealth management units. that's it from cnbc, first in
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marco rubio came out swinging today against the $1.1 trillion spending bill that passed the senate this afternoon and was signed by president obama just a short time ago. senator rubio sent out a statement, saying the vote grows the debt and furthers president obama's big government spending priorities, but they left out one detail. he didn't vote against it, he didn't vote for it either. rubio was the only u.s. senator running for president who skipped the vote, leaving senator rand paul to say, rubio should resign or give up his paycheck. >> i'm also running for president because i want these
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votes to matter again. look at the omnibus vote, this grotesque piece of legislation. by not voting for it, it's a vote against. they needed my vote to get to 60 votes because of the senate rules. >> rubio's explanation of nvotig a "no" vote, it's the same excuse ted cruz cited after the confirmation vote for loretta lynch. >> listen, i'm going to let marco defend his own voting record. i can tell you, i flew back to washington, d.c. today to vote against this omnibus, i think it was a betrayal of the men and women who elected us. >> joining me live, nbc's hallie jackson. so the rubio campaign already had been under fire for missing
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a lot of senate votes as it is. he gets criticized for not spending enough time in iowa and new hampshire. this doesn't help his cause any. he's missing time in washington at a time when he's getting criticized f criticized for not combining enoug -- campaigning enough. >> senator cruz, for example, he pushed this event several hours later so we shoucould be in washington and then continue on with his campaign event. rubio campaign makes the point, when you're running for president, this is a point rubio has made for months now. this criticism for him missing these senate votes is nothing new. the campaign making the point that at this stage in the race, senator rubio is campaigning for president. i said, doesn't it mean something to be in washington, and the point was made, it's important to be in iowa, to be meeting voters out on the campaign trail because that's his priority right now. that's why he's running for president, chuck. >> the quote that he gave, not being there, that's one, i have
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a feeling we'll see in tv ads quite a bit. >> and senator cruz, you talked about the fact that he said something similar when he voted for -- skipped the vote for loretta lynch. but cruz made the point that he was there when it counted, essentially. so we may see them try to draw some distinctions on that in the next couple days. >> it's been a fiery back and forth between the two young senators and i imagine it's going to continue. hallie jackson with the cruz campaign, thank you. >> let me bring in our panel here with me today, molly ball, ruth marcus. sarah, i imagine we should get out of the way that you are a bush supporter. >> i'm a bush supporter. >> and i want to make that clear, so everybody says, i guess you know, criticism of rubio, whatever. we want to get that out there clear. molly, i heard that vote, not voting is essentially voting. no, i had john kerry flashbacks. >> right.
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it's such an obvious dodge, naked spin, that it draws attention to itself. but it is mystifying to me why he wouldn't make it back for this vote, given how he's been criticized. >> bernie sanders made the vote. lindsey graham made the vote. rand paul made the vote. ted cruz made the vote. >> and this was a big vote. and a big vote on spending, a big vote on a big conservative deal that was made, not well. some conservatives don't consider it conservative. and it wasn't a unanimous vote for like a post office or something. it passed the senate with 75 votes. they didn't need him there to pass it or defeat it, but he could have made a difference. >> and sarah, both cruz, rubio, and rand paul, they could have gummed up the works this they chose to, showing up earlier in the week. >> i think that will be the criticism from conservatives on missing this vote. what did you do to stop it? molly's right, it didn't matter
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that he wasn't there logist logistically, but symbolically, it matters a lot. missing votes, they're not all equal. and not showing up could have easily been a "yes" vote as well. he's going to regret making that statement, because there's going to be a vote that someone critiques that he didn't vote for and they'll use his words against them. you got to be very careful when you get to this level in a presidential campaign. >> there were two flubs here, one was i was against it before a failed to vote against it flub. but even before that, not that he might try to gum up the works in the way you suggested. >> he was too late when he made that proclamation. >> why would you do something like that? >> i'm just spinning here, but perhaps -- [ laughter ] but since he has been criticized for this and his line has always been this is common for senators running for president, it's not
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out of the ordinary with historical norms and it's not something voters care about. so if he felt like he rushed back to washington, he would be legitimizing the attacks. >> nice try, though. >> there are many incredible qualities about rubio as a candidate. i think the challenge for him on this vote, it plays into what some has criticized him as being overly ambitious, as being too young, needing another term in the senate. it comes off a little bit as blind ambition as well. and some will say senator obama missed votes, senator clinton -- >> and there's no doubt. but they're not all equal. >> and if you're marco rubio, first term senator, do you want the obama comparison? >> and ted cruz is the most hated man in the u.s. senate, it's amazing that marco rubio is the one who looks like a bad
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senator. >> and this was just when rubio thought he was making progress against cruz in the back and forth. and we'll get into that. still ahead, paul ryan got a big victory today with a majority of the majority voting "yes" on this trillion dollar spending bill, despite big outcries from predictable conservative quarters. stay tuned.  you won't find the brand pharmacists recommend most for cold and flu relief at the shelf. advil cold & sinus is only behind the pharmacy counter. ask your pharmacist for fast, powerful advil cold & sinus. relief doesn't get any better than this.
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we know many of you on social media noticed and i was concerned that what was in my ear was going out on air. unfortunately, we found out that it did. i apologize as i go to my kids, for the h-e double hockey sticks. so with that, my apologies and we'll see you right after the break. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business...
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energy lives here. >> welcome back. after weeks of negotiation, and just before the holiday break, congress signed off on that $1.1 trillion spending bill, that will fund the government through september. it extended nearly a trillion dollars in tax relief, about $700 billion of it for
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permanently. it passed the house 316-113. and easily passed in the senate, 65-33. president obama has already signed into law this afternoon. the panel is back to discuss some of the political angles on me here. sarah, i want to start with you, rush limbaugh, mark levin, laura ingraham, a lot of conservatives just railed against paul ryan on this. railed against this omnibus, but he got over 150 republicans to support him on this. why? had john boehner done this same deal, they'd have been burning the place down. >> that's true. there's a couple things working in the speaker's favor. one, i think tonally, generationally, his past is carrying him a long way in this honeymoon period he's experiencing. the second thing is, the facts matter. and there was a spending cap set
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by boehner, this was largely put in place in the conservative members of congress are giving him the benefit of the doubt. this works well for him. it will year. >> he probably used up his capital. >> one really nice honeymoon. he should enjoy it. i think sarah made an important point which has to do with the trust that fellow conservatives have. paul ryan told them that he wasn't going to be able to do more for him. they hold him what he wanted and he said that is not achievable. they trust him. it is a lot uglier. >> paul ryan put out this very slick campaign video talking about what is coming and this positive agenda next year. one of the things i remarked on is you are more optimistic. he wants to be more upbeat than republicans running for president. >> what i hear from republicans on the hill is that paul ryan is
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just sort of better internal politician than boehner was. he is less afraid of the conservatives because he can relate to them a little bit. he is much better an expectation setting. he is much better at going in and saying nancy pelosi has leverage here. we have to deal with her and we are not going to get everything we want out of this bill. i promise you i will get the most i possibly can. boehner was afraid to say that. boehner would promise things he couldn't deliver. >> boehner here really cleared a lot out of the barn for paul ryan. >> i want to do this sanders clinton curfufal. >> how big of a deal is this for a campaign to be locked out of a voter file? >> if it is a couple days it probably doesn't matter too much. if it stretches into weeks it is
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a real problem. for bernie sanders while his campaign made the mistake this is the political opportunity. this is a great political opportunity. they are suing the dnc. >> doesn't suing the dnc also mean that gives the dnc the opportunity not to back down and keep him locked out? it could go both ways. >> it depends what they have access to from previous files and how much files have changed. they probably have what they need to operate for a while. >> somebody had to leak this. i'm guessing the sanders campaign wouldn't have leaked this. sanders is trying to take a lemon and turn it into lemonade. >> he used this opportunity. this campaign had fallen off the radar. nobody was talking about the bernie sanders campaign and -- >> the establishment is out to get him. >> now his supporters are riled up. >> they are really fired up.
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this is going to reenergize the bernie sanders movement going into a debate where i think bernie sanders is angry. >> i don't know. >> it's a process story for them in the sense that there is no real fear at least so far that there is any actual sanders personal involvement here. he can be the victim. >> structural because it is outsider versus insider. he is being locked out. >> they did like walk into the open door. they trespassed even though the door may have been open. >> a process story when the story is bernie sanders running against the democratic party. >> let's pause and when we come back rubio/cruz. who is winning that debate? (donkey noise) (elephant noise) (mic screech) there's a big difference between making noise... (mic tap) ...and making sense.
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(elephant noise) (donkey noise) when it comes to social security, we need more than lip service. our next president needs a real plan to keep social security strong. (elephant noise) hey candidates! enough talk. give us a plan. the possibility of a flare swas almost always on my mind. thinking about what to avoid, where to go... and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal. until i talked to my doctor. she told me that humira helps people like me get uc under control and keep it under control when certain medications haven't worked well enough. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb.
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securing our boarders and stopping illegal immigration is a matter of national security. that is why i fought so hard to defeat president obama's gang of eight amnesty plan. that plan would have given obama the authority to admit syrian refugees including isis terrorists. >> as we said yesterday we figured that between rubio and cruz fighting over this immigration thing, with rubio trying to muddy the water and
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cruz saying you were standing with chuck schumer that in order to win the first person had to go on air. cruz went on air with an attack but it seemed subtle. >> it is very forceful in articulating the position that he wants people to think he has. i think rubio has been impressively effective at making this attack on cruz for the amendment that would have allowed legalization and cruz tied himself in knots trying to explain that. i think that will be compelling. >> what is worse, being disingenuous or on the wraupg side? >> yo uk say you change your mind and voters will accept that but when you present yourself as a beacon and then it is found you did do something to support the passage of the immigration law which if you read the texts there is no doubt that he was
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trying to support that legislation at least in my view. i think rubio hasn't effectively gone after cruz yet on it. if he chooses to he has what he needs to. >> cruz is vulnerable. >> i actually think on an issue as emotional as immigration i think being on the wrong side could be the harder hand to play and that's the harder hand for marco rubio at this point. the ad was subtle in the sense that it didn't mention rubio. it was unsettle in talking about the immigration bill allowing isis terrorists. >> this is number one like second one to come. this is going to be a series and maybe this is how he makes -- >> cruz has to hope more people hear this message than hear what
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rubio is saying. crui ted cruz has been flirting with the idea that there is a hypothetical version that he supports. there is not a middle ground there and he is getting called out on it. he has to hope that this ad is what people see. >> i have run over time. i don't want to get caught saying something i shouldn't say on the air. we will be back monday with more. if it is sunday, meet the press you can catch, little yoda there. erica hill picks up our coverage next. tonight on msnbc, the president ties a bow on year seven in the oval office. >> the unemployment rate has been cut in half. years of steady implementation of affordable care act, on climate we have shown what is possible when ameri

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