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tool for isis. >> she's terrible. she's terrible. she's a liar. no. it turned out to be a lie. turned out to be a lie. and the last person that she wants to run against is me. believe me. believe me. >> however, the latest poll numbers tell a slightly different story. for more on that, we turn to msnbc's steve kornacki. steve? >> yeah. we got some new numbers today. first off, the republican race here, donald trump now the headline locking at the headlines, good news for trump, right? first place. he's still ahead. but the real story here is right behind him there in second place. ted cruz just four points behind in this poll now. think about this. a week ago, three different polls came out with donald trump at or above 40% that had him more than 20 points ahead of cruz and everybody else. looked like he had gotten a bounce from the controversial plan or call to ban muslims from
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entering the united states. however, since then, there's been some backlash to that. also there's been another debate and now you have got -- if this is the start of a trend, could be troubling for trump. cruz breathing down his neck. you think about ted cruz's strategy here. it's kind of interesting. it's come to this. when this campaign started, the big question of cruz is, is he too out there, the tactics too extreme for republicans to rally behind him? one of the effects of donald trump in all the outrageous and out landish things he said to elevate the reputation of ted cruz and drafting behind donald trump, not saying anything negative about him, not attacking him. maybe waiting for the moment republicans say we like donald trump and the things he says but maybe he's not presidential enough and ted cruz, ted cruz may be positioned to win those voters over and may have an electability argument quickly. same poll, tested hillary clinton against all these
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republicans, trump loses by 7. ted cruz is tied with hillary clinton in this toll. so that's the argument. ted cruz may not make it himself an counting on republicans seeing this at some point and saying, you know what? maybe trump's too much for us. we like him. with cruz, same policies but maybe a little bit more of a presentable face for the party. that's what he's counting on. >> ted cruz moving up in the polls but another republican candidate i understand, jeb bush taking aim at one of his rivals today, as well. is that correct? >> this is interesting. yeah. the debate last week, jeb bush going after donald trump. no other republican will do this except jeb bush. jeb bush is going after chris christie. and where he is doing this tells you all you need to know. new hampshire. this is the do or die state for chris christie. he is going all in there and jeb bush. any of these establishment candidate that is want to stop trump, stop cruz, they have to make the stand in new hampshire because i with locks like it goes cruz or trump and new
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hampshire the big battleground there and jeb bush, playing this for you in an interview with huffington post, jeb bush went after chris christie on the fiscal management of the state of new jersey. listen to this. >> me record in florida compared to him when people okay the it, i'm a reform minded conservative that got to do big things. he didn't. he hasn't. we were aaa bond rated. he wasn't. we led job growth. new jersey didn't do as well. in a difficult legislature, of course, but i can point to a record of accomplishment that's unmatched by anybody on that stage. >> and ayman, the problem for jeb bush in new hampshire, we put that poll on the screen, trump is leading right now because the so-called establishment candidates so divided. bush, christie, rubio, kasich. not on the screen there and add them together and there's enough support if the voters unite behind a candidate to stop
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trump, the votes so spread out now and that's something to look for. bush today after christie. those candidates and that establishment lane start attacking each other in new hampshire because they know they need to make a move there? >> steve, let's ask you quickly. it comes down to new hampshire it seems. how important is that particular state in setting the pace for the rest of the campaign? >> well, this is where things get very serious. we talked about that term. the party establishment. if you say the party establishment is not comfortable with trump or cruz as the nominee and look at iowa right now, the leadoff state, trump and cruz gobbling up the lion's share of the support out there and filled with evangelical christians, conservative, very pro-cruz at this point. if i with a goes to one of those two, the establishment really, really needs to get one of the non-cruz, non-trump candidates through in new hampshire. if they don't, doesn't moon they're finished but up against history and never, never in the
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modern era of picking presidential candidates somebody won the republican nomination without winning either iowa or new hampshire. that's what the establishment is up against. in iowa or new hampshire. >> all right. steve, always crunching the numbers for us, appreciate that. as we mentioned earlier, trump is under fire today for what many are calling sexist and vulgar comments directed at clinton in last night's michigan rally including mocking her for the bathroom break in the democratic debate. take a listen. >> what happened to her? i'm watching the debate. and she disappeared. where did she go? i know where she went. it's disgusting. i don't want to talk about it. no. it's too disgusting. >> for more on that we turn to msnbc's kasie hunt. obviously, those comments upset a lot of folks and not the only thing that donald trump said that has drawn some controversial comments.
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>> ayman, good afternoon. that's right. donald trump taking it a little bit of a step further in that rally in grand rapids, michigan. very raucous kraud there. he took it to the point of a yiddish slang term referred to male anatomy talking about the loss to barack obama in 2008. of course, trump regularly calling some of the opponents losers and never quite in this way. we'll play the unedited version to give you the full context of his remarks. >> i may win. i may not win. hillary, that's not a president. that's not -- she's not taking us to -- everything that's been involved in hillary is losses. take a look. even the race to obama. she was going to beat obama. i don't know who would be worse. i don't know. how does it get worse? but she was going to beat, she was favored to win and she got schlonged. she lost. i mean, she lost. >> so hillary clinton's
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communications director tweeted earlier today that the campaign is not going to have an official response but she says that anyone who understands, quote, the humiliation and this degrading language inflicts on all women should respond to this. some ways a non-response response from them. hillary clinton, of course, has been more aggressive in pointing out sexism, gender stereotypes this time around than 2008 and focused on the national security credentials and tended to de-emphasize the fact that her candidacy as a woman would be making history, ayman. >> doesn't seem to be the first time that donald trump's been accused of sexist rhetoric on the trail. >> that's right. i mean, he's had an extended back and forth with me begin kelly at fox news. he talked about blood coming out of her eyes, out of her whatever. he, of course, was -- that was stemmed from kelly asking him in that first debate about comments he had previously made about women, potentially degrading
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comments. so this is something that -- at this point is definitely a pattern, ayman. >> all right. kasie hunt live for us in washington, d.c., thank you. >> thank you. ted cruz continued the tour through southern states. super tuesday states in fact. reacting to a new poll showing him trailing trump by 4 points nation al nationally. >> i did think it it was donald trump said he thinks it's him and me. i think donald may well be right and could easily end up being a two-man race between donald trump and me. and i think that presents a good choice to the american people. >> meanwhile, marco rubio campaigning in new hampshire where he complained that washington was out of touch with people's lives. >> our government is completely out of touch. you look at the policies coming out of washington and what's going on in your life and they have nothing to do with each other. >> yet rubio's attacked by his rivals for not being in washington enough ironically and
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missing key senate votes. cruz also accused him of skimping voters on the trail and running the campaign from, quote, a tv studio. a line of attack that's now been taken up by new jersey governor christie this morning. take a listen. >> so the buzz right now, you're in portsmouth and any sightings of marco rubio there? >> no, no much we have been looking for marco and can't find him. we had the bus all over new hampshire and not find him. we understand he did a quick town hall here and left to go back to madison avenue in new york. >> joining me now msnbc.com senior editor beth foie and mark murray. we want to before we get to the gop, moments ago in iowa, hillary clinton doubling down effectively on comments she's made about donald trump being used by isis as a recruitment tool. i'll play you that sound bite and then get your reaction. >> if you go on arabic
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television as we have and you look at what is being blasted out with video of mr. trump being translated into arabic, no muslims coming the united states, other kinds of derogatory defamatory statements, it is playing into the hands of the violent jihadists. there is nothing they want more than to be able to claim that the united states is against islam and against muslims. >> so doesn't seem she's backing down from the comments of the debate, maybe usually slightly different language and still being used as a recruiting tool. >> right. as you said, on saturday night and the democratic debate, she implied isis using tapes of trump to recruit. and he, of course, called her out on that. said that she needed the apologize, et cetera. they went back and scrutinized the television to see whether
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trump was being used in some fashion and he's on the news and the comments translated and she is inferring that's some sort of a recruitment possibility for jihad. again, i think she needs to be careful and implies that the comment and check her facts. >> what was your reaction to the fact she is not backing down from the claim that donald trump is -- the comments and rhetoric are being used as a recruiting tool by radicals and jihadists around the world. >> yeah. i think the biggest takeaway is to be able to fight and campaign against donald trump and she is not talking about bernie sanders or martin o'malley on the trial. trying to turn it into a hillary clinton versus donald trump general election. of course, we're not there yet but helps her politics and probably donald trump's politics, doing what he did last night and making his rhetoric all about her. but i do agree with beth. it seems that she is on a little safer footing with this particular rhetoric, how she is
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using it, versus the debate where it seemed to be a little bit more geared towards isis videos being a recruitment tool and using donald trump and probably will pass a lot of fact checking muster. >> we heard a short while ago, beth, ted cruz saying that this may come down to a two-person race of him and donald trump and this is good for america, a good choice for america. in fact, in another poll it shows that in head to head competition with hillary clinton, putting that up on the screen, he's polling at 44%, hillary clinton polling at 44% and he could make argument on a national level, he is better off than donald trump. why is cruz rising in the polls right now do you think? >> i think a couple of reasons. he's given very good debates. if you like that sort of thing. which obviously many in the republican party do. muscular assertions of foreign policy, carpet bomb isis, things like that. the race is a national security race right now and walking very
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comfortably through that topic. so that's one thing that's helping him. the other thing is in iowa, which is the kickoff voting state, he's got a robust organization and coming through there and wins iowa, takes it from donald trump, he will have a real head of state. >> marco rubio today came under attack from rivals for time spent on the trail and also time away from the senate. can rubio win the nomination without a win in any key early state? >> yeah. there is a plausible route and as steve kornacki said, it's never been done before in modern times and this is the route to get the nomination without winning i with a, new hampshire or south carolina. that is essentially coming in second or third in all or most of those early voting states and the idea would be more candidates drop out and the republican establishment decides they need someone to go against donald trump or ted cruz, that he becomes the alternative and
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is more candidates dropping out his percentage goes up and allowing him to win key states, but again, that is kind of a risky proposition. you're easier path to win the nomination winning iowa, new hampshire or both. we haven't seen this done before and fascinating to see if rubio doesn't win the early states can hold on and try to win and coalesce the republican establishment. >> check off the other candidates, beth. ben carson according to "wall street journal" spending cash and burning more cash in october than they're bringing in. do you expect him or see him continuing to fall in the polless? >> yeah. i mean, he had his moment, certainly over the summer. he was really rising, looking strong. this national security debate has not helped him. it's not an expert area. >> what is his area of expertise? no, what led him to rise in the polls? >> i think probably his christian conservatism which is very real, very genuine for him.
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he speaks from the heart. he obviously in polling, very strong among evangelical voters and now about national security it is not his race. >> mark, a political headline with this to say. jeb bush shows signs of life in new hampshire. are you buying that? >> you know, i have never counted bush 100% out. he niece a very tough situation but we have seen other candidates whether john kerry or john mccain being kind of left for dead and rising back from the ashes. but jeb bush needs to do well in new hampshire. that's where he is today. his entire ability to rehabilitate himself all goes through the granite state. >> all right. lots of questions and uncertainty. beth and mark, thank you guys for joining us. well, up next, sergeant bergdahl before a military judge on charges of misbehavior before the enemy. plus, leaders protest a grand jury decision not to
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earlier today army sergeant bowe bergdahl was arraigned at fort bragg, north carolina. he deferred the plea until the next hearing. he's facing charges of desertion and endangering other troops. he abandoned his post in afghanistan in 2009 and held captive by the taliban for five years until he was freed last year in a controversial prisoner swap. sarah dallof is live for us in north carolina. what happened in that courtroom today? >> reporter: well, it was a very subdued and a very brief appearance this morning, ayman.
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srgt bough bergdahl was in his dress uniform. he spoke when questioned by the judge but otherwise didn't have any statements to give. he deferred entering a plea of guilt or innocence on the charges of desertion and endangering u.s. troops and could carry a penalty up to life in prison and deferred on making a decision whether to face a court-martial with a judge or with a military jury. now, as we move forward, we may also hear his attorneys push to move this case down to texas. bergdahl has been on desk duty at fort sam houston in san antonio since he was released by taliban forces as part of a prisoner exchange last year. bergdahl's case, of course, back in the spotlight because of the court hearing and because of the podcast cereal and he said that he walked off base in 2009 as part of a protest, part of a way to raise attention to what he
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saw as a lacking leadership within his unit. the case is controversial. the decision to move forward with that prisoner swap last year also controversial. security very tight on this base. it will undoubtedly be just as tight as we move forward and moving down to texas. back to you. >> sarah, where does it go from here? when's the next court appearance and expect a decision of whether or not the case does stay in north carolina or move to texas as you suggested? >> reporter: yeah. great questions. he will be back in court here in north carolina on january the 12th. we're told he deferred that decision to enter a plea until then. we'll see if he continues to defer or required to enter it at that point and as the case moves forward, there's a lot of moving parts and a military trial. things function similarly to civilian court and today's the first appearance and moving forward and see what develops from here. >> all right.
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sarah dallof live for us in north carolina, thank you for that. turning to the suicide attack in afghanistan that killed six americans on monday, we know the identities of three. one is joseph lemm serving with the air national guard in afghanistan. he was a 15-year veteran of the nypd. new york governor cuomo saying lemm embodies the selflessness. major was the killed and the third female killed in afghanistan and the third victim is staff sergeant peter toe. let's bring in producer from the pentagon. courtney, thank you for joining us. what else are we learning about this suicide attack? a very brazen one it seems. >> it was. it was one of the deadliest attacks seen in sometime in afghanistan. they were all u.s. airmen killed
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and wounded and a contractor and interpreter wounded as well. they were attached to an office what does that mean? basically like air force version of ncis. they're special investigators. so what are they doing generally in the war zone? they're often serving as security. they'll do security detail. what we don't exactly know is what was the mission that they were on yesterday just near bagram airfield near kabul when they were attacked? it was a lone suicide attacker on a motorcycle. he approached the group and six of them were killed. three more were wounded. we don't know what they were doing, though. we can assume that the airmen attached to the office of special investigation pulling a security. we have learned today are the identities including major vordabrugen and one of the first
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female -- first openly gay female officers killed in combat in afghanistan. we have learned today that her spouse heather lam posted on her facebook page she was killed. this, of course, comes after the repeal of don't ask, don't tell and defense of marriage act and serving openly gay in the air force when she was killed. >> all right. courtney kube, thank you. >> thank you. sandra bland's family reacts to news that jail officials will not be indicted for her death while in custody. >> i was expecting to have a few answers as to what happened to my daughter. i have no idea what was presented at that grand jury proceeding. i have no idea what was put in front of the grand jurors. i have no idea. ere you use sugar, you can use splenda®... ...no calorie sweetener. splenda® lets you experience... ...the joy of sugar... ...without all the calories. think sugar, say splenda®
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yes, ideas are scary, and messy and fragile. but under the proper care, they become something beautiful. major protests are being planned in houston tonight following a texas grand jury's decision not to issue an indictment in the death of sandra bland in regard to anyone
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at the county jail. now, the grand jury will reconvene in january where other possible charges or indictments will be examined. bland was found dead in her jail cell july 13th, three days after she was arrested in this traffic stop and pulled over for failing the use her signal between a lane change. a confrontation followed. an autopsy determined that the cause of death suicide by hanging and her family continues to challenge this. nbc's charles hadlock is following this story for us and joins us live from dallas. what's the reaction of the family to the news there will not be an indictment? >> reporter: they're upset about it. they think it's done in secret. the waller county grand jury as you mentioned, last night declined toen diet anyone connected with this case from the youngty jail and the prosecutor says it's not over. the grand jury could not decide
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charges against the trooper who stopped sandra bland back in july. they said they planned to reconvene that your back in january, this coming january and perhaps reconsider the case again. now, sandra bland's mother spoke with tamron hall earlier today on msnbc and got her reaction to the grand jury's decision. >> my daughter is gone. and so, what i would have liked to have seen is some sort of information to show what has happened to her. i've seen nothing. i've heard nothing. all i know is what i hear in the media. and so, i have no idea what was presented at that grand jury proceeding. >> of course, grand jury proceedings by their nature are secretive. now, the medical examiner in this case ruled that the death of sandra bland was a suicide,
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something the family has never accepted. ayman? >> and we know that this is obviously a national story and now drawing reaction from national politicians including the presidential trail, bernie sanders weighed in on the decision. >> reporter: yeah. he issued a statement earlier today an i'll read from it. it says there a noes doubt in my mind that she like too many african-americans who die in police custody, would be alive today if she were a white woman. that's from bernie sanders injecting himself into this case. now, part of presidential politics in 2015. >> what do you know about the protests planned for tonight, charles many they're scheduled to take place in houston. >> reporter: yeah. this evening at her herrmann park, the national black united front is holding yet another protest in this. they say they want more evidence presented to the public in this
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case against the state trooper and the jailers in this case. >> all right. appreciate that. we want more on this and joined by msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber who a short while ago spoke with a prosecutor in the case. what did he have to tell you when you spoke to him this afternoon? >> i can tell you this. we don't know what happened inside that jail cell but in plain english this process has been really messed up and the reason people are asking so many questions is because it doesn't seem to be working like it's supposed. let me explain. i spoke with lewis white, one of the special prosecutors in the kats and told me we wanted no stone unturned and went through the process, other information presented besides just the suicide, other things presented to the grand jury dealing with the jail and then he said, as far as we're concern ed -- of that view and then he says we
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have been meeting with the family. that's on record. we have reached out the the attorney. but, ayman, the headline here is this grand jury returned no charges relating to the death and all questions is suicide or something else? now we're learning today in the interview with this prosecutor that they believe it was a suicide. which raises a new question. why present anything to the grand jury, ayman, if it was a suicide and no crime? >> well, is there an answer to that question or not yet? >> the answer is to leave no stone unturned or assure people of the public process. in other words, that is basically the prosecutor saying we'll put this on the jury. not just on me, the prosecutor, but now the grand jury can sort of weigh in on this but guess what. that's not right, ayman. think about it as a jailhouse official. if the prosecutor thinks this was a suicide, then you shouldn't be up at risk of a homicide charge because a grand juror is confused about it. in other words, in the normal course of business in non-law
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enforcement cases, as we all know the saying of a ham sandwich. prosecutors go in to get the charges and we have seen it a couple of times around the country and recent controversies, a very different process unfolding here. let's be clear. if this was a suicide and authorities believe then it's basically inappropriate for them to present potential charges. what if they got a homicide charge back and then, what? pursue that case against the officials but they think it's suicide? doesn't add up because it doesn't make sense and something amiss here in these cases and i saw that without knowing what happened inside that jail cell. >> all right. chief legal correspondent ari melber, thank you. turning now to philadelphia where the justice department gave an update up to a report nine months ago on police-involved shootings there. take a listen. >> i would say their progress is nothing less than amazing and what i mean by that is if you look at when's done in the six months, the amount of work done for an agency this size, the
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amount of recommendations we provided and in general 90% of the recommendations either completed, in progress or partially completed. >> the recommendations being referenced there 91 recommendations for the police department to take under consideration in reforming the, quote, deadly force practices. coming up, chris matthews here to preview the special "citizen trump" that takes a look back at donald trump's career and path to politics. at planters we know how to throw a remarkable holiday party. just serve classy snacks and be a gracious host, no matter who shows up. [cricket sound] richard. didn't think you were going to make it. hey sorry about last weekend, i don't know what got into me. well forgive and forget... kind of. i don't think so! do you like nuts?
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the presidential race, as well. >> you are looking at somebody when's had a lot of terrible things said about me and i am well aware of the fact that real easy to do that and, you know, you just say it and you send it around the world. and luckily i'm old enough it doesn't particularly bother me but i can't imagine what it's like to be a young person in today's world. it's important to stand up to bullies wherever they are and why we shouldn't let anybody bully his way into the presidency because that is not who we are as americans. >> all right. joining me now for more analysis, "hardball" host chris matthews. you heard clinton punching right back at trump. is that the strategy here, to prove she won't be bullied by anyone, including trump? different than the republicans and i guess reluctant to go at it with trump? >> do you take politicians at their word? i mean, really d. you just say
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to me that you think that's her strategy? well, that's the -- ayman, to me, it's -- she is very smart about this. an awful thing he said. it was gross. smart move to step back. take the hit and let people know what it says about the other guy and the extent of it. >> there's some idea both trump and clinton and the back and forth between them mutually beneficial. do you subscribe to that? >> old rule of politics is don't mention the other person's name. in this case, there was a classic case of johnson going after nixon. when nixon was finished and johnson attacking nixon brought him back into the battle and got him the presidency again. i think the fact that it's hard to say because this this case it was a grossty on the part of trump that aroused the back and forth and wouldn't say that secretary clinton went after him. he went after her. i do think her going after him
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doesn't hurt him and i think you're right. >> so the quinnipiac poll shows him beati inin ining -- her bea by 7 points. do you think it's clinton's favor to be an opponent? >> 7 points isn't much and if you think about it, say a year ago, someone said donald trump's going to be within striking distance of hillary clinton, in a general election, so i think there's surprise. we -- a lot of people in our business said in a summer he wouldn't make it through the fall. he's gotten to the end of the year and at the top and fighting it out and losing position number one for a few weeks he could get it back in the long campaign in the spring. i expect if he keeps in there fighting against somebody like cruz they realize something that really is scary to most moderates and progressives that cruz is scarier than trump and
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that will be a frightening prospect to realize that trump is the more -- well, not acceptable to progressives but looking at him against cruz, i mean, cruz, if we weren't talking about trump, we would be talking about the horror of this country led by cruz. so, it's a strange competition and the people left out of this it seems are what used to be the republican establishment. i've noticed we have used the word establishment now in terms of saying it's finished. >> let's talk a little bit about that. ted cruz is considered a biggest rival. who do you see -- >> do you know him? >> i don't know him. >> you will know what i'm talking about. >> i have seen him comments and follow him throughout the cam pin. >> nobody likes him. no one that knows him likes him. >> how does he do well in the poll? >> the anger driving trump on the right, white people if you will, working white people, whatever that category is defined as, so angry and the
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religious people they're willing to put somebody in there that's a complete enemy of the state. willing to go all the way to the hardest far right rail. you can't be too hard right. here's a guy with a cuban american background and very much against any legalization of anybody coming to this country illegally ever. pretty strong position to be taking. how's that much different than trump? really hard right and so what's going on now is your battle of -- seeing a battle of two fairly nasty campaigns for the hardest right position. >> but does that mean that the others are going to be squeezed out or a chance you see over the course of the next couple months a self correction or moderation of the party into the establishment candidates or marco rubio for that matter? >> easier to see trump win the nomination than kasich, christie, jeb bush, any of those people on the sort of middle of the road conservative crowd. you don't -- i can't see how they win and not winning in
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iowa. i think they might win in new hampshire. i can't see them winning in south carolina and christie is a jersey guy. how will he win south? trump and cruz will fight it out for the south. the guy looks particularly weak is rubio. he doesn't seem to be campaigning. i don't know what happened to the guy. he was off to the dream boy, the soldier boy if you will aft hawks. neo-cons and doesn't seem to be working and didn't win the love of sheldon adelson on the hawkish causes. didn't happen. so there's something not there. why's trump -- you didn't say it. why's trump doing well? weak opponents. only opponent is cruz and probably to the nasty side of him and really something to say. >> you brought up donald trump and hosting the msnbc documentary "sit sen trump qunt
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tonight. >> he was an unknown on the "today" show many years ago. >> you bought prized properties in the 1970s. >> i had a great faith in new york. primarily the purchases in new york and about five years ago new york not very considered hot. i see the inner cities being a wave of the future now. >> trump was on the "today" show to talk about the next big project. trump tower. >> trump tower he had -- they had carvings and wrecked hem. i said, how could you have done that? >> couldn't you have saved the sculptures? >> very, very dangerous. 2 tons. 15 feet high. 2 1/2 feet thick and if they would have fallen, people could have been badly hurt and killed and it was not worth it to me. >> he ripped them out without any consideration for their historic value and the people he had doing the demolition were illegal immigrants.
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>> so chris, you know, all this research and on sound bites, what do you take away from it? >> i have said it on the air, mixed bag. that's very hard for a lot of people to hear. they think he's the devil, hitler. fascist. thr phrases people throw away. we know what a real fascist is. i don't think he's one of them. i don't think he's vladimir putin either. i think he's a big developer who's driven by the need for publicity. this whole thing has a publicity stunts a the effesuspect to it. he does have the money and if he really wants to win, we'll see if he's willing to put the money down but gross stuff he says, people can judge for it themselves. they're awful by any standard before him. hopefully any standard after him. what he said about hillary the other night. hillary will take advantage of that.
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she'll play it brilliantly as she's able to and he'll suffer for that and a blk of people in the republican party, maybe a third of the republican party so angry at the way things are going and they don't like the illegal immigration, the trade stuff, the wars. it's not ideological. they have been taken advantage of an betrayed be i the leadership of this country. you live in a big city and used to get a job in a factory. they're all gone. you see illegal immigration. not being stopped. neither party's doing anything about it except a new name. you know? undocumented worker. they come up with a nice name for it and these wars, does anybody think w. was intelligent enough to be president? working guy out there, he's no republican coming to that war. so there's a tremendous anger about the way they have been betrayed, used as cannon fodder in wars, had the jobs taken away from them in bad trade deals, forced to treat themselves not even at citizens and there's
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nationalism. one word for trump's i don't want to call it genius. somehow he found the way into the nationalistic sense of the country that's become very vulnerable and he's nailed it. >> right. >> and maybe unfair but he's done it. we'll see tonight. watch tonight and decide. >> i definitely will. i will be. >> trump will be watching and hate some of it. like some of it. >> interesting to see his reaction. >> i think a lot of people say we were too nice or too tough or, you know, i think pretty darn balanced. roll call plays a big part. a great historic sense and also we have ann coulter. and roger stone. you will have hear a lot of different voices tonight. >> chris matthews, nice to turn the table on you and ask you the questions for a change. >> sometimes i think i'm better at this. thank you. >> you're good at everything, chris. >> "citizen trump." >> yes. watch it tonight at 7:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. what would driving a -- what would drive a young woman with a
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promising future to intentionally mow down pedestrians on the las vegas strip? an update on the investigation and more on what we have learned so far about the suspect when we come right back.
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year. no snow on christmas, it's too warm over the eastern u.s. to have any chance of slow. i'm joined now with the very latest. >> this is wild, wild stuff that we're seeing here. this is going to be unprecedented warmth as we get into christmas, especially christmas eve. we have this huge ridge in the jet stream. temperatures are running 30 degrees above average, especially as we go into thursday. take a look at some of our highs. even starting wednesday, these are old records, 66 in philly, 57 in grand rapids, that was a very warm year, but we should break that record. philadelphia should tie it. greensboro should hit about 71. thursday, all bets are off. boston, the record high was 61 in 1996. we should get up to 68. washington, d.c., 77 degrees. charleston, breaking the record
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with an expected high of 78. on friday, we're going to see most of our broken records down south. in orlando, the record high is 83 degrees. we're forecasting a high of about 86. i want to remind you that the warm temperatures do not come with lots of sunshine. in fact, we're looking at a very stormy set-up. 38 million people are at risk, especially near memphis. this is where we could see a severe weather outbreak, not just large hail and damaging winds, but we could see very large tornadoes that stay on the ground for a long period of time. that's going to be an area to focus on as we go into tomorrow afternoon. wednesday is a big travel day across the country. we're still looking at snow in the pacific northwest through the rockies, but this area we're looking at severe storms. we'll see several delays through chicago, washington, d.c., up into the northeast. could be a slow go for travel on wednesday. >> thank you very much for that update. coming up in our next hour, new polls show gop outsiders like donald trump are on the rise.
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welcome back, everyone. we begin this hour with presidential politics. a new poll out today showing donald trump's lead at the top narrowing over ted cruz who now trails the front-runner by four points nationally. joining me now, mark murray in d.c. mark, so we're mentioning cruz making some gains. he's narrowed the gap. he does best against hillary clinton in any head-to-head line-u line-up. are you surprised? >> no, i'm not surprise. the big surprise is ben carson has been down in the polls. he was fueled by a lot of evangelicals and conservative republican voters. ted cruz has picked up a lot of that support. and what's made kind of a fascinating race between ted cruz and donald trump where
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donald trump is being carried by non-evangelical republicans and ted cruz by evangelical ones. >> here's something that stood out for me, which was the same poll found that 50% say they'd be embarrassed by trump being president. should he be concerned, or is that expected given that it's democrats too that are also being polled, not just his republican base? >> it's a huge concern from the general election. but we have to get through the primary season first. in that same poll, only 20% of republicans said they'd be embarrassed by trump. and that is the big story here where most of the country, democrats, a lot of independents don't like donald trump. republicans have warmed to him over the last six months. and as they've gotten warm to him, that's increased his odds, and she's still not a shoe-in to win the republican nomination, we have a long way to go, but it increased his odds of performing a lot better than people would have thought, three or four months ago. >> and we have numbers today on
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ad spending. the number that jumped out to me the most, obviously, was jeb bush and his allies now spent the most amount of money, about $38 million. surprisingly, trump has only spent $217,000, making him the least in terms of how much the candidates have spent. what does that tell us in terms of how this is going so far, that somebody like bush, who is spending the most, doesn't have the numbers and the polls to show it? >> yeah, tv ads haven't had the juice in this election cycle that we've seen in the past. the $217,000 that trump has, have been on radio ads, not tv ads. trump's strategy is going on tv, phoning in to news programs and talking and talking and talking and dominating that way instead of buying ads in 30 or 60-second snippets. $111 million have been spent on ads so far this election cycle and jeb bush's $38 million
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making up about a third of that. stunning numbers where jeb bush is, in the same poll we were talking about, at just about 4%. >> mark, thank you. today in iowa, hillary clinton is continuing her attack on donald trump, specifically that trump's anti-muslim rhetoric is helping isis recruit new members. with more on what she said in the last hour, here's steve kornacki. >> well, she's not exactly giving in here in the face of donald trump's demand that she apologize for the comments in the debate. although she is making a somewhat noteworthy adjustment in how she discusses this. this is what she said saturday night in the debate, calling trump the best recruiter isis has right now. let's play that clip. >> we also need to make sure that the really discriminatory messages that trump is sending around the world don't fall on
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receptive ears. he's becoming isis's best recruiter. they are going to people showing videos of donald trump insulting islam and muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists. >> so if you paid close attention there, it was that specific line where she said isis is going to people and showing videos of donald trump, that isis is using that in recruitment. the clinton campaign was pressed by media outlets to show evidence of that. they ended up saying that she did not have a particular video in mind, prompting donald trump to say hillary clinton owes her an apology. the clinton campaign said hell no. but this is how she's now talking about this. there is a modification here. >> if you go on arabic television, as we have, and you look at what is being blasted out with video of mr. trump being translated into arabic, no
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nu muslims coming to the united states, other kinds of derogatory, defamatory statements, it is playing into the hands of the violent jihadists. there's nothing they want more than to be able to claim that the united states is against islam, against muslims. >> so she's not going to apologize. she's not going to concede that she in any way misspoke on saturday night. but on saturday night, the words came out of her mouth, that videos of donald trump were being used by isis for recruitment. now she's stepping back and saying he's appearing on television, in newscasts in the media and that's being translated and presumably that would be available as a form of recruitment. >> so certainly walking it back. >> a much less direct accusation. yes. >> appreciate that update. we want to get more on this. i take it there's been no reaction yet from the trump campaign to being called by the
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clinton campaign both a bully and still doubling down on her claim that his comments are being used to recruit radicals around the world. >> well, no reaction, and we've seen this last night too. he's really going hard on the attack on hillary clinton, not just saying the vulgar comments that we heard earlier, but more about the fact that we see him on the campaign trail really zeroing in on comparing himself with hillary clinton. and to a lot of us who follow him frequently, he spent a lot of time talking about jeb bush, ted cruz, marco rubio. he's pushing past that and this is how he sees the race, what he's up against. >> are we expecting any more comments from him about this? >> twitter is unpredictable and it seems to be his favorite source at getting things out to us, when he's not on the trail especially. but he'll be back on the trail all before new year's. so he's hitting the early states and trying to make his case there before the new year. >> when are you heading out onto
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the road? >> just then. >> thank you very much for that. the "wall street journal" reports that ben carson's campaign is burning through its cash. it raised $8.8 million and spent $9.5 million. so the campaign also told reporters it had raised $10 million in october. turns out, it raised $8.8 million. how unusual is it for a campaign to essentially overstate its fund-raising? >> well, it's unusual, because if you lie about your fund-raising numbers, it's all going to come out in the wash a few days later at the end of the quarter or the month. so it's a very short-term gain. but it's also possible they haven't yet counted up some severe the direct mail. almost all of his fund raising is from small donors, it has to be raised, it goes back to caging firms, direct mail firms, and there is some indecision, and with small donor fund raising on his scale, it's possible to be off by that much.
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so we'll see at the end of the day how far off they actually were january 31st. >> and we're coming up to the close of the fourth quarter here. we do have a sense of who has spent the most. do we have a sense of which gop candidate will raise the most and the least? >> i'm expecting ted cruz to have a very good quarter. he's the only candidate who has been able to combine a large donor base with a robust small donor base and those small donors are coming back to him again and again and again. that's a renewable resource for a campaign. so he'll do well. we'll see if rubio has the bump his campaign has been claiming it has had, certainly they've had big events in the last two weeks, that could bring in a lot more money than over the summer. after that, it's anyone's guess. it's not really clear, but i think cruz and rubio will show good quarters. >> let's turn to the democratic side for a moment, nick.
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team clinton is low-balling expectations, saying they expect sanders to out-raise her in the father quarter fund raising. is that your understanding and are you surprised by that, that bernie sanders may out-fund or out-spend in terms of raising funds, rather, than hillary clinton? >> as you point out rightly, it's all expectations setting. i don't put a lot of stock in what the campaigns are saying. they are constantly saying. the end of the quarter is the one time in a campaign when each campaign says how great the other campaign is, and how much better they're doing. it's the one time, because you want to surprise everybody with your stronger numbers. one important difference here. hillary clinton has been jointly raising money with the democratic party and that money comes in much larger checks. it's possible if you add that money, she'll have a are have good quarter with those large party checks layered on top of her own campaign. but as to the head-to-head, she has been more dependent
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a former speech writer for president george w. bush is calling the 2016 gop battle the
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great republican revolt. senior editor of the atlantic joins us live from washington. david, good to have you on. >> thank you. >> you wrote white middle americans express heavy mistrust of every institution in society. not only government, corporations, unions, even the party they typically vote for. when donald trump came along, they were the people who told the pollsters, that's my guy. why are more established politicians like jeb bush and chris christie not able to break through in the same way donald trump has? >> this is a big article in the atlantic where i tried to put together every piece of hard information we have on who is supporting donald trump in the republican world and why. and what you discover, when you ask these voters, they're not especially religious, not especially conservative, not especially committed to the republican party, but deeply pessimistic about america.
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and that's -- and the republican -- the mainstream candidates, the people who are in the lead until donald trump entered the race in june, these are people who took a look at mitt romney's defeat in 2012 and said what the party needs to do is change nothing, except its immigration message, which it needs to make more of an open-borders message. all the other stuff, leave it exactly as it is. their rank and file didn't like the romney stuff at all. >> about this particular revolt that's taking place, that's how it's being characterized, how does this hurt the gop in 2016? or does it actually perhaps in some way help the party refine its messaging? >> i don't know how it helps. this is a bloodbath. and at the end of the article, i let some options for the republican leadership. they can say, let's get a more
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attractive messenger, swap out jeb bush for marco rubio, he's more fresh faced, but it will be the same message. another option, we can drop the pin that we did on immigration with the gang of 8, we can drop that and just as we made our peace with the pro-life message in the '80s, we can do that with immigration in 2010. but we've seen a real loss of confidence in the republican rank and file. you have the old roosevelt voters and haters in the same party and understandably it's hard to hold them together. >> it's hard to kind of look at what's happening on the national stage and not wonder what will happen on the state and congressional level. how much do you think trump's campaign will impact the gop on those two levels, both the state and congressional levels going forward? >> not too much. the republican party's strength in the states is one reason that the party is not acted as decisively on donald trump as it
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might have. there's a lot of big pool of complacency in the republican world who says this is a successful party. and in order to win the presidency, we have to change a lot of things that are important to us, maybe it's not worth it. maybe it's better to keep everything else and write off the presidency and hold on to control of the party in the traditional way. >> certainly an excellent read. appreciate your insight, sir. >> thank you. we now know the identities of four of the six american troops killed in an attack in afghanistan on monday. one is major adriana vort brugan, the third female killed since october 2nd. joseph lam has also been identified. the third victim has been identified as staff sergeant peter top. nbc news has confirmed staff sergeant bonna casa was among the airmen killed in the
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attacks. for more, let's head to courtney kube. what else are we learning about this incident in terjz of how these americans were killed and what were they doing on assignment there. >> these were airmen, they were out in what the defense officials are calling a key leader engagement. so the majority of those who were killed, those airmen who were killed, they worked for the air force office of special investigation. generally they're used for crime scene investigation. but in the case in a war zone, they're often used for security. that was the case here. they were doing security yesterday just outside of bagram airbase, outside of kabul is when a lone suicide bomber on a motorcycle came in and attacked them. he blew himself up. as you said, six of them were killed. two more u.s. airmen were injured and one u.s. contractor was injured. among the names today, major adriana verd brug an, and she is, as far as we know, she's the
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first openly gay female officer to be killed in combat. there have been other female openly gay females killed in combat, but as far as we know, she's the first officer. >> i know there's another developing story right now taking place in iraq, actually, far away, but it's a story i wanted to get your reaction on. we know there are iraqi ground troops trying to launch a new offensive in ramadi to try to re-take that city that sits in the sunni heartland away from isis, which has been in isis control for the better part of a year now. what more can you tell us about that new offensive, what role any american troops may be playing in providing support or intelligence to those iraqi forces? >> we've been hearing for weeks now, frustration on the part of u.s. military officials here and in iraq, about the slow movement of the iraqi security forces to go into ramadi, to re-take that city. as you mentioned, isis has been there for months now, that's
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allowed them months to dig in. we've heard, you know, stories about anbar university, every single one of the desks was booby-trapped when the iraqi security forces went in there. for months now, they've been in the isolation phase of ramadi. that means they're encircling the city as best they can, to try to move slowly into the city center. now they're finally, after months, nearing the city center. the next phase will be the clearing phase. if you thought the isolation phase was long, the clearing phase promises to be longer and unfortunately, likely bloodier, because that's the point where they'll be going building to building, house to house, rooting out the islamic state who have spent months there. the other problem that the iraqi security forces face, there are thousands potentially tens of thousands of civilians who are in ramadi, innocent civilians in ramadi, who the iraqis and the u.s. and the coalition will have
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to take care to protect. you mentioned the u.s. role. they're advisers there, primarily at the air base, not forward with the iraqi security forces in ramadi, and there are coalition air strikes that are taking place. there was something like 140 munitions expended in the last 24 hours in and around ramadi to try to support the iraqi security forces in this attack. >> nbc news national security producer courtney cubey, appreciate that update. >> bowe bergdahl appears before a military judge. what was said inside the ft. bragg courtroom, that's next right after the break. at&t knows the best kind of holiday... is the kind where everyone gets what they wished for. make this holiday extra happy when you buy one get one free on our most popular smartphones... like the samsung galaxy s6. buy one get one free. so spread some cheer. and capture every minute of it. right now at at&t, buy one get one free on our most popular smartphones.
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captive by the taliban four or five years until he was later then freed in a controversial prisoner swap. now the latest from ft. bragg, north carolina. >> good afternoon, ayman. it was a subdued and brief hearing for sergeant bowe bergdahl. he deferred entering a plea. he also deferred on making a decision whether to face a court-martial with a judge or a military jury. as we move forward, his lawyers may begin to push to have this case moved to texas. bergdahl has been on desk duty in san antonio ever since he was released by taliban forces following a prisoner exchange, with prisoners from guantanamo bay last year. his case is back in the spotlight obviously as the court case moves forward, but also because of the podcast in which bergdahl said he willingly walked off base as part of a protest to try to draw attention
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to what he perceived was lacking leadership within his unit. we will be back in court next on january 12th. aym ayman, back to you. >> i want to bring in military analyst and medal of honor recipient colonel jack. i want to get your initial reaction to the charges. what do you make of the procedures that happened today? >> well, this is a standard article 39 hearing. there will be another one later on when he can express whether or not he wants to have -- what he wants the panel to look like, if he's going to take a court, or whether or not he wants to have the judge alone hear the case. so this is just preliminary, it's a standard procedure. what is interesting, however, is that he delayed making his decision. typically defendants will state right away what they want to do. obviously he hasn't decided yet and his attorneys have not yet
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conferred, so they can give him some guidance on what she shoul do. >> part of the charges he's facing, endangering other troops. i want to play a part of the serial podcast where one of the soldiers in charge of the search and rescue for him recounted an extremely dangerous situation during one of those search and rescue operations. take a listen. >> the team went in and looked up and saw the ceiling lined with c 4 and there was also a car bomb with the trunk packed with explosives sitting in the middle of the compound. by the grace of god, they evacuated before the thing could go off and it never did, but i would have easily lost 20 to 30 american green berets that night had that thing gone on. it became very apparent to us that the taliban knew and the sources began telling us the taliban and the haqqani network knew we were pulling out all the stops to find him and were
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feeding false information into our informant networks. >> how would possible testimony like that play out in the courtroom for bergdahl? >> well, it's not going to help him very much. the fact is that it is merely sufficient to demonstrate that he left willingly and that enough put his troops, his comrades, the people he's supposed to be with in combat in a combat zone, put them at risk. this exacerbates the charges. it's going to be extremely difficult to refute this, because he confessed. >> how do you think bergdahl will argue his defense once it gets to that stage of the case? >> well, he's going to try to argue that he was motivated to do this because leadership in his unit was lousy. but i don't think that's going to hold much -- is going to hold much water. all the people he was talking to in court, the judge, the trial
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counsel, even his military defense counsel. and most of all, the officers and maybe enlisted men, if he selects them on the panel, that is the jury, this is not going to sway them, and it's not going to endear him -- they won't have any sympathy for him in this regard. one other thing i might add, they had the right to demand non-commissioned officers on the panel. it doesn't have to be only officers. he'd probably make a big mistake if they did that too because they're going to have less sympathy for him. one other thing, in a trial by court-marti court-martial, doesn't have to be unanimous by the panel. 2/3 vote will convict him. that's all it takes, unlike in a civilian jury. >> we'll see how that unfolds in january. colonel jack jacobs, thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. five years ago today president obama signed the law repealing the long-standing policy that barred openly gay service members from joining the
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military. "don't ask don't tell" was repealed in 2010. it took a year for the policy to be dropped. the u.s. armed services began welcoming openly gay service members in 2011. so a big question about this repeal, is this going to be a big legacy item for the president now that he's entering his final year? >> reporter: i think absolutely, ayman, from the white house perspective, they view this as part of what has been a huge cultural shift in our country that has also dealt with issues of gay marriage and the wide acceptance that has been taking place, from state by state, to the supreme court. really a moment in time which the white house can take some credit for, but it's a broader cultural change in how americans view the rights and place in society for those who are gay and lesbian. for the white house, while the
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president is here on vacation and has been out hiking today and enjoying some of the spectacular home state opportunities he has here, the white house is able to roll out this facebook post which also gives the president a chance to have a substantive message idea on a work day at the end of the year, to talk about something that they believe will extend far beyond his presidency which wraps up in about 13 months. so the president indicates that he's received so many letters from service members who are now able to serve openly and poignant letters talking about some of the comfort they feel, knowing that with all the risks that are assumed by going into the military that there are some benefits available to them. there are even those really personal and heart-breaking moments, like being able to have one spouse receive the flag of the fallen spouse at a graveside cemetery, something that would not have happened before this change in policy. a policy that stood for a long time, dating back to the early bill clinton administration, and
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changed by barack obama five years ago. so this is an opportunity for them to, in one way, talk about the service members, talk about the change in policy and note how the large views of the american people have also shifted. so the president indicates that in his facebook post, he's received many letters, they included a number of them to give us a window into that personal experience of one service member or another, writing to the commander in chief and expressing how this five years has changed for them. ayman? >> kelly o'donnell live for us from hawaii. appreciate that. protests planned tonight in houston after a grand jury decided not to indict officials in the death of sandra bland. but charges could be on the table for the officer who arrested her. >> and the mall of america tries to block a black lives matter protest at the biggest mall in
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william porter, the baltimore police officer charge the in the death of freddie gray. the first trial lasted over two weeks. jurors deliberated for 16 hours before telling the judge they were deadlocked. porter faces charges of manslaughter, reckless assault and misconduct in office. freddie gray died a week after his neck was broken when he was being transported in the back of a police van. porter is one of six officers charged in his death. we have developing news out of minnesota, a judge issued a temporary restraining order against the group black lives matter. let's go to a reporter who is standing by with the judge's decision. >> ayman, just in the last 15 minutes, the judge handed down a 29-page decision, denying most of the requests for a temporary restraining order, and approving just a small part of it.
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the mall of america had named four specific members of the black lives matter group on the lawsuit and she agreed to ban them from protesting at the mall of america tomorrow. but she refused to make a blanket ruling that the group black lives matter could not protest there. now a little bit of background information. black lives matter minneapolis has been protesting the shooting death of jamar clark, a black man, since mid november. they're demanding that all video evidence that might exist of the shooting be made public. and their plan now is to take the protests to the mall of america tomorrow, where they held a large demonstration last year. take a look at what it looked like when more than 1,000 protesters filled the rotunda area of the mall on the busiest shopping day of the year . many people were charged with trespassing, but most charges have been dropped. they warned people ahead of time the mall is private property and the protesters weren't welcome there, but once protesters were
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there, officers allowed them to demonstrate for a while before telling them to disperse. this year, the mall tried harder to prevent the protests, but a judge has blocked most aspects of it. there were interesting issues to consider. first and foremost, whether the judge had jurisdiction over the group black lives matter, which officially registered with the secretary of state that would list specific members. in her ruling, she ruled that no she can't make a blanket ruling, preventing them from protesting there. there were other aspects that were requested on a temporary restraining order, such as asking the group to delete social media messages and post a message that the demonstration is going to be canceled. and the judge denied those requests as well. >> appreciate that update, lou. shifting now to texas where a major protest is planned in houston tonight, following a
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texas grand jury's decision not to issue indictments in regard to the death of sandra bland. the grand jury will reconvene in january where other possible charges or indictments will be examined. bland was found dead in her jail cell, three days after being arrested after this traffic stop. she was pulled over for failing to use her signal during a lane change. a confrontation between bland and the trooper followed. an autopsy determined that bland's cause of death was suicide by hanging, but her family continues to challenge this story. >> i want to go now to msnbc's ari melber, who spoke exclusively this afternoon with one of the special prosecutors in the sandra bland case. ari, we've heard from her family who say they weren't involved in the grand jury process. but you were told something very different from the prosecutor. >> that's right. i'll start with that point you raise. what was happening with the interaction with the family.
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prosecutor louis white disputes that. he said we're still open to meeting with the family. we've reached out to their family attorney. but also in big news today because of the non-indictment here, i basically asked their white, the prosecutor, about this. he said we wanted to leave no stone unturned, as to why they presented to a grand jury. we went through the entire proce process. there was other information dealing with the deal that we presented to the grand jury. and he said, as far as we're concerned, her death was a suicide. let me repeat that. this is the prosecutor saying, as far as we're concerned, her death was a suicide. i can't say what happened in the grand jury, but i can say i'm of that view. so here in the newsroom, i invited a former prosecutor to join us. you've done these kinds of prosecutions before. what do you think of a prosecutor basically saying he didn't think there was a crime. he thinks she killed herself,
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but he still presented this evidence to grand jury for potential homicide charges. >> as a head prosecutor that ultimately has to make policy decisions, i've had numerous, death in police custody cases. it's a tricky area. you want to make sure the community thinks you dotted i's and crossed t's. the grand jury can evaluate the credibility of witnesses, the strength of the evidence. it's a vetting process to say, it wasn't me making a singular decision. it was 23 grand jurors making that decision. >> is it a vetting process, or is it a way to cover a decision? because here hearing from louis white, this prosecutor, that he didn't think there was a crime committed, but still left the call up to the grand jury. which leaves the question, what if they did charge? then you'd be a prosecutor sitting on a charge that they
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didn't believe in. >> this happens all the time in non-sensationalized cases where you have somebody that goes to the grand jury, we believe we have sufficient evidence. then it turns out that we don't, because ethics require that we cannot bring somebody to trial until we can prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. but he would be in a difficult position if he believed it was a suicide, which is what he told you today, in my opinion, i think the cops and prosecutors look at it like we need to show that there's integrity and transparency and a record in the process. so like this family is saying, she died under tragic circumstances. she should never have been in the jail in the first place. she shouldn't die in a jail, nobody should. but here's the whole record of what we did, so if the u.s. attorney's office wants to look at it, or if later on a court order said, we want to see what you did, he's basically saying, it's all there for you to see. >> if they went forward with the
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homicide charges, if the grand jury did that, the prosecutor would say, how do i pursue a charge i don't even believe. >> if you know the evidence was a good shoot, or -- and that happens many times, why should i have to be subjected to a grand jury process, months of investigation? and we've seen this happen in cases where people were jumping to conclusions about thing, but through the grand jury process, the initial reports weren't so accurate. so it's a double standard. but if you're a police officer and you've been given authority with a gun and a badge and somebody in your custody dies, you'll be held accountable to 23 citizens to make a decision if that was correct. >> and so you see, there really is understandable public skepticism, even cynicism about why the rules seem to change, sometimes depending on who's up there. if you were a jail house official in this case, you might be glad to hear that the prosecutor didn't think you did
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anything wrong, but still exposed you to liability for those charges. we don't know what happened in that jail house room still. we don't have video of the incident, but there's a lot of questions swirling around the process and as you were reporting, still this grand jury could deal with separate charges in the arrest. but as far as they're concerned, no crimes committed with regard to her death. >> you were discussing that balancing between what the community wants to know and what the prosecutor also believes as well, what the law officers involved in the case. and certainly the issue of transparency comes up and it's something sandra bland's family has been talking about throughout the course of the day. ari melber, thank you. a potential wrench in your holiday get-away plans. severe thunderstorms are expected in parts of the nation. plus, experts say high winds, even tornadoes are possible in the coming days. stay with us. n important cause
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so santa may want to trade in his red suit for shorts when he hits the eastern u.s. in a couple days. this is a shot of the rockefeller skating rink right here at 30 rock. it's almost felt out of season with the warmer weather. i'm surprised they have been able to keep the ice frozen during this season. we'll explain how they've been doing that. that's the trick question.
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>> that i don't know. >> you don't have to answer that one. but explain to us how much longer this warm weather is going to last for. >> through the holiday and even the upcoming weekend. it's a weird set-up we have going on, mostly due to el nino, because it tends to bring in all the moisture from the pacific, we end up with snow and also rain in the lower elevations out west. we also end up with a warmer than average eastern half of the country. it's been so warm and also very stormy. everything has more of a spring-like feel to it. we have thunderstorms through the panhandle of florida. showers and storms for new england and cape hatteras. but it's all about the temperatures. highs running about 30 degrees above average for this time of year. this is just exceptional warmth. unprecedented warmth and that's why we're going to break years' old records and by a lot. wednesday, grand rapids, record high is 57 degrees.
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1982, that was a very warm near. but as we go into this wednesday, we're going to see temperatures crush the old records. 63 degrees our forecast high. greensboro, 70 degrees. philadelphia, tying the record. thursday is the day we're all going to be talking about. it's going to feel very bizarre outside. the record in washington, d.c., 66 degrees setback in 1982. taking a look at our high temperatures this year, we should hit 76 degrees, close to 80 degrees for christmas eve. tampa should hit 85. christmas day, we're looking for temperatures to drop off a little bit, but still going to see some record highs, especially down through the south with atlanta topping out around 78 degrees, breaking the record of 72. tying the record in charlotte, tying a record of 64 in new york city. again, because of this spring-like set-up, it's not just the warm temperatures, but we have the threat of stronger storms. tonight the threat is in this
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area across texas and arkansas. the biggest threat is large hail. tomorrow we could see a severe weather outbreak. in the orange area around memphis, 38 million people under risk for large storms. and possible tornadoes on the ground. we have to focus on this area as we go into tomorrow afternoon. it's a huge travel day on wednesday for folks getting out of town. we could see lots of delays. in minneapolis, icing could be a problem. several delays most likely at airports in chicago, detroit, new york city area, philadelphia, down through atlanta, a lot of wet weather and fog. that could lead to some delays at the airports. christmas eve, still the threat of scattered showers and storms up . and christmas day, just a couple of spotty showers, but temperatures will be warm. it's going to be a weird one. >> santa's going to be moving around on jet skis along the
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today the international organization for migration said more than one million migrants and refugees have crossed into europe this year. with only days left in 2015, the group says the million mark was crossed on monday. the number represents a four-fold increase from last year's numbers. chapman bell is going to help us break down the numbers. chapman, what do these numbers reveal to us about the scale and size of this refugee crisis unfolding in europe? >> well, as you said, more than a million people, as people continue calling this the biggest migration and worst refugee crisis europe's faced since world war ii. more than 972,000 people have made their way into europe, crossing the mediterranean.
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out of this, 1 out of every 2 of them actually are making their way from syria. that's a half a million people escaping the conflict in their country. and a majority of the these arriving in greece, a country that's struggle to handle this massive flow of migrants. 30,000 more have entered by land. another shocking figure. almost 3,700 people have drowned or are missing at sea. we've seen the images of children, families, whole boat loads of people capsized at sea. most of these deaths on the long journey from north africa to italy. often people paying huge sums of money to smugglers before traveling on overloaded or often unsafe vessels. just the month of october this year, almost totalled the number of migrants coming into europe the last year. this has been a four-fold increase from last year, according to the latest figures. >> trackic and we'll see what
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happens next year when president obama hosts that summit on refugees at the u.n. that does it for me this hour. "mtp daily" starts right now. >> if it's tuesday, the outsider wing of the gop keeps getting stronger. and no one is flexing that muscle more than donald trump. it's "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening from washington, i'm chuck todd, and this is "mtp daily." the strength and dominance of the outsider wing of the republican party may be the most amazing political story of this year. in the latest national polling, this from quinnipiac shows the trend is continuing until the final days of this year. trump at 28%. cruz in second at 24. rubio in

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