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the death toll from weather disasters has climbed to 24. in texas, 11 people are dead and more than 50,000 without power in a state torn apart by tornadoes. in some parts, scenes of total devastation and heartbreak. >> it looks like godzilla came through and ripped everything apart. yesterday everything was fine, nothing out of place. today nothing looks the same. >> everybody was checking on everybody. people going up and down the streets checking, everybody is checking houses. the camaraderie with that was just amazing. in the suburb of dallas, crews this morning fought to save a man trapped on the roof of his car in flood waters. they were able to rescue him safely. elsewhere in the southwest, extreme cold, snow in new mexico and wind gusts up to 82 miles an hour. this picture of an iced-over windmill speaks volumes. the national guard activated, have been called in to help. in the midwest, more than a
dozen people have died in flash floods that caught drivers completely off guard. we're on the ground covering every angle for you. we begin with nbc's charles hadlock in garland, texas, where an ef-4 tornado struck over the weekend, the second strongest tornado rating on the planet. how are people holding up and can cleanup even start? >> reporter: this is the first day that we have had that it hasn't been raining since the tornado hit on saturday night. but the temperatures are now in the 30s here in north texas. snow is just to the west of us. so people are having to get out in this cold weather to try to pick through their belongings. we are at the landmark apartments. let me show you some of the debris here. there are about 200 units here and about 30 buildings. each of the buildings has been damaged, some beyond repair. they will have to be demolished. there are about 200 people, 200 units here, several hundred people lived here. the good news is no one died at this apartment complex but about
15 to 20 people were injured. this is right along interstate 30, where as you might recall, on saturday night, five people were swept off in their cars, swept off the roadway. eight people killed, believed to be in their cars as this tornado passed through. the national weather service did their survey yesterday. they determined this tornado was 550 yards wide and had a path of more than 13 miles across dallas county. the death toll stands at 11. they are still going around through some of the neighborhoods where the debris is scattered, looking for anyone else. there are no reported people missing. that's the good news. the bad news is the cleanup is now under way in wet, soggy and cold conditions here. >> nbc's charles hadlock, thank you for the update. i want to take you to chicago, where there is freezing rain and
an advisory, extreme weather in time to wreck travelers' plans. how are things looking so far? seems pretty calm behind you at least. >> reporter: not too bad. but looks can be deceiving. it's finally starting to look and feel like winter in the chicagoland area. that is not welcome news for holiday travelers. there have been more than 1,000 flights canceled nationwide because of this messy weather system that is making its way cross the country. the bulk of those delays have been here at the chicago area airports with o'hare and midway, and as you well know, the delays that happen here cause a terrible ripple effect across dun t the country. lines have tended to ebb and flow throughout the morning as more flights get delayed and more flights are able to take off. i can attest, not joking at all, the restroom lines downstairs are ridiculously long. no matter where you are, you
have to remember to make sure that you call your airline to check on the flight status. always make sure you check the chargers and make sure everything is charged before you get to the airport. and make a lot of room for some patience because anyone who is coming to the airports are going to need it. now back to you. >> thank you very much for that. the inclement weather is even impacting the campaign trail. heavy snow and high winds in iowa have forced chris christie and marco rubio to cancel afternoon events and though the weather is much fairer for his rally tonight in new hampshire, gop front-runner donald trump is getting a bit of cold shoulder. a front page editorial in the union leader calls the idea of trump as a republican presidential nominee an insult to the intelligence of granite state republicans. in fact, a lot of insults were hurled about this weekend with trump taking aim at hillary clinton, also bill clinton. >> i think he is fair game because his presidency was really considered to be very
troubled, to put it mildly, because of all the things that she's talking to me about. i mean, she's mentioning sexism. >> that was donald trump. reacting to the former secretary of state who said he had a quote, penchant for sexism. clinton made the remark in response to a vulgar reference trump made last week, and his latest response via twitter, trump took aim at what he called bill clinton's quote terrible record of women abuse. again, accusing hillary clinton of playing the quote, women's card. we are covering this story from all angles starting with nbc's hallie jackson, who is in new hampshire, where trump will hold a rally tonight. you know, there are those op-eds but then there's one by the union leader in new hampshire and the harsh words coming out of it. >> reporter: yeah. let's read a little section of it here. you talked about the comparison between biff from "back to the future" and donald trump sort of calling them both bullies here. the publisher joe mcquade continues that trump has shown himself to be a crude blowhard
with no clear political philosophy and no deeper understanding of the important and serious role of president of the united states than one of the goons he lets rough up protesters in his crowd. so yeah, some tough words here, but not all together unsurprising. remember, this is a newspaper that endorsed the more establishment candidate, chris christie, in new hampshire last month. that gave christie a little bit of a boost in new hampshire. so it wouldn't come as any sort of shock to donald trump that the paper would now be taking aim at him after it took some more subtle swipes at candidates like senators marco rubio and ted cruz as well. >> it will be interesting to hear what he has to say tonight at that rally, how he addresses it and how he will get the crowd going. also when it comes to tonight, is that something we will expect as far as more anti-bill clinton rhetoric and especially when you think about the strategy of going after not just hillary clinton but former president, ultimately may kind of backfire against him. >> reporter: trump clearly sees an opening here. it's always tough to predict what he will talk about at his
rallies. presumably he might talk about bill clinton. trump has this way of often seizing on things that are being discussed in the media narrative and making headlines and bricking them up at his rallies but clearly he sees at least in the short term some sort of advantage to going after bill clinton. there is a segment of the republican base that believes this is a very valid line of attack that is responding very viscerally to trump's attacks against bill clinton. longer term, we are talking about maybe a general election where trump needs to win over maybe some more moderate folks, bill clinton is still very popular. you look at his presidential approval ratings back through history, he's right up there with folks like ronald reagan, for example. short term, probably fine for trump to do. fine for trump to attack. longer term, some question marks. >> we will see that, if anything, if anything will sink him or be the start of his sinking, if anything. thank you for the update. appreciate it. want to bring in "washington post" political reporter and msnbc political analyst robert costa, who is here and also msnbc host and political correspondent steve kornacki. steve, want to start with you,
especially since we are waiting to see what donald trump and the camp will have to say about this editorial from the union leader out of new hampshire. now we are hearing from him whachlt are they saying? >> now we are. yes. donald trump gave an interview with wmur channel 9, the big main news station up there in new hampshire. trump telling that station a couple things. first of all, he said the union leader attacking him in his editorial, he said it is dishonest, it is because the publisher had begged him, donald trump, to advertise in the union leader. trump says he refused. that is what this has to do with. he also said quote, chris is behind this, meaning chris christie, of course the union leader previously endorsed chris christie for president in the new hampshire primary against donald trump, so trump is basically accusing the newspaper of teaming up with chris christie to try to take him down there. that again an interview just recently, just this afternoon with wmur up there in new hampshire. also just point out, a cheap plug here but that publisher, joe mcquade, will be doing an interview with me a couple hours from now that will air at 5:00
here on msnbc. >> anxious to see what he will have to say about that. robert, you are with me now. when you hear about that, is that classic trump saying there's no truth in this and it's just a mart mutter of who will point the finger and blame? >> it's important for trump to be on the defensive in new hampshire. this is a key state for him. we have seen senator cruz rise in iowa. should senator cruz win in iowa, new hampshire will be the place where trump will be looking for a comeback. you see him fighting each and every attack coming at him. >> interesting you talk about that, especially when it comes to the ramifications of something like this. in essence it could hurt him, he is on the attack, but as we have talked about also, this could kind of help lift up hillary clinton on the other side. >> you see donald trump and hillary clinton, they are already fighting a general election campaign. at least they are looking toward the general election and angling what kind of attacks could work. you see trump almost bored by his republican rivals.
of course he is going after the union leader but really, he relishes the fight against secretary clinton. they are former friends. they used to have a long-time rapport, he and the clinton family. now they are at war. >> it's interesting, too, we are talking about, now hearing from trey gowdy in trump's cross-hairs especially when it comes to his endorsement. of course trey gowdy, chairman of the house benghazi committee. let's take a listen. >> i hope he does a better job than he did frankly in the benghazi hearings, because they were a total disaster. he didn't win with those hearings. it was a total not good for republicans and for the country. beyond republicans, it was very bad for the country. i hope he does a lot better for marco than he did for the benghazi hearings. >> when we have that endorsement of marco rubio, trump trying to downplay that here, but when you have the significance of a gowdy endorsement for rubio, the man who basically said hillary clinton, here it is, took her on and also the man from south
carolina, the first in the south primary here, how is that going to impact? >> well, the significance there with trey gowdy, you look for in these primaries especially with big fields like this year, always looking for kind of the signals that the leaders in the party, the top elected officials, the most influential people in the party, are sending. a lot of people who follow this race have been for a long time saying that marco rubio looks like the republicans' most electable option compared to a trump, compared to a cruz. so the question is then will there be a stampede of elected officials of influencers in the party lining up behind marco rubio and trying to send some kind of signal to the party rank and file to get in line, to give some order to this race. we haven't really seen that. rubio's picked up one endorsement here or there. this is a fairly significant one in terms of being influential. we will see if it's followed by more. also, it points to one of the things that's working in trump's favor right now when you talk about new hampshire, and that is how muddled the picture is when you get beyond donald trump in
new hampshire. you have those so-called establishment candidate, whether it's jeb bush or chris christie being championed by the union leader or marco rubio picking up endorsements. right now they are all getting 10%, 12% each. they are all basically tied far back. the main beneficiary of that is donald trump. >> certainly we will see with the clock ticking. five weeks left before iowa, then trey gowdy campaigning with marco rubio expected tomorrow. a lot to watch. steve and robert, to both of you, we will certainly talk later on. thank you. donald trump's remarks about the former president is the focus of our pulse question today. so this is what we are asking you and hope you weigh in. have donald trump's comments on bill clinton gone too far? the pulse is live. pulse.msnbc.com. cast your vote. we will check back in those results and see how they change in the next couple hours. still to come, outrage over the latest deadly police involved shooting in chicago. a 55-year-old grandmother and 19-year-old college student. >> what about the taser?
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another police-involved shooting over the weekend left two people dead. there are breaking developments today. mayor rahm emanuel's office announcing major police reforms including mandatory 30-day desk duty for cops involved in shootings and also a review of police crisis policies. but it's no consolation for families of the victims. a 55-year-old mother of five who police say they shot accidentally and a 19-year-old college student who police say was combative and threatening his father. the independent police review authority is now investigating. want to get right to msnbc's sarah dallof who is covering this story out of chicago. tell us more about the reviews here and especially when you pull back from the mayor's response and the reviews going on, the more underlying issue of tension there between the community and police. >> reporter: yeah. these are all very important topics here. the mayor's office responded very quickly to these deaths over the weekend, saying that he's already implementing
significant reforms. the first is that any officer involved in an incident like this, a shooting, will automatically be placed on administrative duties for 30 days. that will take them out of the field, give administration time to take a look at their record and their training to determine if it's time for them to go back out on the streets. now, the mayor also ordered a review of crisis intervention and de-escalation policies that are in place right now, saying he wants to look for deficiencies, possible deficiencies and address those. he said quote, while the investigation is under way, we must make real changes within our police department and it is clear changes are needed in how officers respond to mental health crises. now, la greer, a 19-year-old college honors student, according to relatives, had been experiencing some mental health issues within the last few months. he was reportedly threatening his father with a metal baseball bat. that let to the 911 call. when officers arrived they say he was combative, resulting in one officer firing shots.
those shots also struck betty jones, a 55-year-old mother of five who police say was tragically killed in this incident. right now, today we have a lot of wind, a lot of snow and sleet coming down. that may be keeping protesters away. we have not seen anybody out right now. but make no mistake, there is a lot of anger, a lot of emotion in this community right now, especially since you mentioned, tensions had been simmering over the holidays following the release of dash cam video showing a police officer shooting a teenager multiple times in 2014. >> laquan mcdonald certainly the subject of so much of that tension even before this scenario here, even with these reforms announced, talk to me a little bit from the community there. we heard many say too little, too late when it comes to the mayor, a lot of people wanting to see him step down. what are other members of the community saying in light of this incident? >> reporter: that's exactly
right. these reforms, these steps that are happening as we examine these cases aren't happening fast enough and like you said, too little, too late. there are a lot of questions out there from friends, relatives, neighbors. why wasn't non-lethal force used in this case. why wasn't a taser used. why weren't any other de-escalation techniques used. and were these deaths of a 19-year-old college student and 55-year-old mother, were these deaths preventible. >> thank you very much, sarah. appreciate it. this weekend, the "washington post" published a report showing the police fatally shot nearly 1,000 people this year in the united states. some take-aways from their investigation which the "post" says was researched over the past 12 months, that mental illness played a role in the quarter of the shootings. one in ten of the victims was unarmed. indictments of police officers tripled this year over the average of the previous nine years. want to bring in wesley lowery, covering law enforcement and justice for the "washington
post." let's talk about that, especially when you come into play mental illness and this specific case in chicago, what impact could these have in reviewing how police go about it especially when they are being criticized for that lethal force? >> it's huge. this wasn't the first time we have written about mental illness and policing. one in four fatal police shootings this year involved someone in the midst of a mental health crisis. what that means is that the types of tactics police officers are using play a large role in the outcome of the situation. so in many cases a police officer and this is based on interviews with experts and police chiefs and officers, will run into a situation and they will screen, try to gain control, put the weapon down, they will be speaking very loudly. however, what mental health experts say if you have someone who is having a crisis, people running at them with weapons and screaming at them, is in fact the worst possible thing you can do. so it speaks to this idea that when you are dealing with a large group of people, many of whom have mental or emotional health issues, the tactics of policing need to potentially
change. not every police department is equipping its officers with the correct training to deal with the large number of mental health crises they are seeing. >> when you have that issue, the mental health crisis, but you have the overall picture where you have multiple police departments like the one in chicago saying you know what, lethal force wasn't even necessary, regardless of whether the subject there is suffering from mental illness, how do you take that as far as a priority and saying across the board, in police department after police department, it needs to be addressed how these officers go about in these instances? >> i think our reporting for the year bears this out clearly. one of our first stories of the year quoted one of the department of justice's top cops. what said was in many cases you have officers who are chasing a suspect, jumping over a fence, landing on top of them and oh, wait now they have a gun so i have to kill them. there's a conversation that we are beginning to have in this nation about policing and when lethal force is necessary in policing tactics. this idea that everyone, whether it be police chiefs, patrol
officers, civil rights groups, media outlets, most people agree 1,000 people is probably too many. there is very likely incidents in this data base where the police should not have killed the people or could have prevented from having to kill the people who were killed. it's prompting a real conversation, not just about legally justified or not legally justified, rather, a conversation about should this person be dead. is there something we could do to have prevented them from being dead. >> a conversation also reviews as we have been seeing from through the department and also the department of justice always well looking into it, at least the chicago police department. wesley, thank you for your time. still to come, which holiday shopping day brings in the biggest bucks? black friday, cybermonday or the day after christmas? and the hash tag fed ex fail follows severe weather delays. has the shipping giant caught up on all those stalled deliveries? have you gotten yours? easy. building them all in four and a half months? now that was a leap.
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christmas is behind us but for many, the holiday shopping rush is far from over. the day after christmas is now becoming a shopping phenomenon while consumers hit the stores to return those unwanted gifts, retailers hope to cash in by offering even bigger discounts. according to an american express study, 66% were expected to shop the day after christmas. that's compared to 45% on black friday and 47% cybermonday. joining me now is cnbc's cortney regan. i'm one of those who waits until after, i may get a deal or two. how did consumers do with that? >> i was at the mall december 26th and it was pretty crowded. mastercard says retail sales are up nearly 8% for the holiday season through christmas eve but this week, like we are talking about, is very important for retail. it's really the last burst of shopper traffic and spending before the quieter winter months set in. shopper track actually forecast
december 26th will ultimately rank as the third busiest day of the year for store traffic. national retail federation survey reveals 47% of holiday shoppers do plan to shop in stores this week. 43% online. discounts, of course, and returns are among the big incentives. many americans make shopping those first days after christmas a tradition just as much as shopping the days around thanksgiving and a lot of it is to take advantage of the big deals. >> -- especially at your door, with a lot of deliveries still coming with online sales. fed ex had their own problems with inclement weather across the country and a lot of delays, the company promised deliveries on or before christmas day so did everybody get their packages on time or are there lots still coming after? >> if you are on social media, you probably know the answer is no. fed ex did not deliver all of its packages in time for christmas as planned. the shipper like you mentioned, said severe weather in certain parts of the country and volume that quote, far exceeded our
previous records including an unprecedented surge of last minute e commerce shipments is the reason why many packages weren't delivered. the company did go ahead and deploy many employees on christmas day but i understand there are some still waiting for the packages. >> i know they had to get creative. a note from santa saying we had a little delay here as far as my kids go. thank you so much. appreciate it. still to come -- iraq's military celebrates in the streets of ramadi after taking back a key government complex from the hands of isis. but u.s. officials warn deadly challenges remain ahead for coalition forces. we will get the latest from overseas when we come back. also, peyton manning is fighting mad about doping allegations made in an al-jazeera documentary, including implications his wife was involved. so what does al-jazeera have to say? new reaction from one of the journalists behind the story. >> what charlie sly says is the
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we are following breaking news overseas in the fight against isis. what appears to be a key victory for iraq, taking back control of the city of ramadi overnight. it is a significant setback for isis militants who brutally took control of the city back in may. here's congressman peter king of new york last hour on "andrea mitchell reports." >> it is significant. it's i think the first of a long series. it's too early to claim it's a turning point. i give them credit for doing it. i hope mosul is next. it's important to note all this is really is recapturing a city that was lost six months after the president began our counterterror efforts. >> a spokesman for the u.s. military in baghdad said today's success is a proud moment for
iraq. this as the elusive leader of isis purportedly resurfaces in a 24-minute audio message. plus european cities are on high alert as austrian authorities warn of another terror plot. a lot here to cover. nbc's keir simmons is tracking the story from our london bureau. let's talk about this as far as liberation of ramadi, that being retaken here, and especially when it comes to what that symbolizes when it comes to strategic movement but also what it means for isis in demoralizing them. >> right. first of all, it's a psychological victory for the iraqi army. the iraqi leaders are describing it as an epic victory. the prime minister of iraq saying now in the last few hours we are coming to liberate mosul and it will be the fatal and final blow to daesh which of course is another way of
describing isis, through the unity and greatness of this great people. so the prime minister of iraq there saying that if you like first ramadi, next mosul, and you will remember that mosul was the city that was overrun by isis before they declared that they believed they had set up a caliphate. a very, very important moment. whether that momentum is sustained is another question. the pictures we have been seeing of the flag raised in the center of ramadi is of the government buildings there. that is the area that has now been seized by the iraqi army, but there are still isis fighters in other parts of the city. so the iraqis themselves admit there is a lot of work yet to be done. as you can see, they are having to go door to door just to try to root out isis fighters. >> and this video, this 24 minute audio reporting, what did
al baghdadi say? what was his primary message? >> he was trying to rally his fighters and that just days before the fall of ramadi suggests that he felt like at the very least, needed to do this. it is rare to hear from baghdadi. last time we saw him in a video, there's a still of that now, you can see that was back in 2014. so some people are questioning whether it actually, you know, symbolizes baghdadi being concerned about the strengths, strength of his forces. other people raising questions about this audio recording's timing, pointing out that he doesn't mention any of the string of terror attacks that we have seen in recent months. >> keir simmons, thank you very much. with me now is an msnbc contributor, also a former assistant special agent in charge of the fbi and nypd joint
terrorism traffask force. thank you for being with us. austrian authorizes warning of another terror plot, there were possible attackers named in there but as far as the investigation goes they weren't able to come up with anything. certainly doesn't make it less of a threat. >> absolutely not. when you talk about new year's eve you really talk about soft targets, the celebrations that are going on around the world. unlike christmas, where people are generally celebrating in their homes, new year's is a time where people get out. they are going to concert, going to open air venues, and these kind of celebrations are definitely a challenge for law enforcement to protect these soft targets. >> we have seen the confidence in the public when it comes to past celebrations, here in new york city during thanksgiving, rockefeller center with the tree, now coming up just a few blocks away in times square with new year's eve as well. we have seen that people may be going around saying okay, you know what, this time around maybe i won't go in the middle of times square to do it.
but talk about how people should be conducting themselves if they should be doing it at all? >> i think it's important to remain cautious but not paranoid. if we basically just give up what we want to do and just kind of lock our doors and live in fear, we have let the terrorists win. the professionals are doing a great job, law enforcement and intelligence, of trying to keep this threat at bay. you can't -- you are not always going to be 100% successful but by and large there has been many more attacks thwarted than have been successful. i think it's important to remain vigilant, be cautious, but don't give up your freedoms. don't let the terrorists win the psychological battle. >> certainly we see the extra security but it's also what we don't see that is making a big difference. >> absolutely. prevention is the key to these things. good intelligence. that's really the way to be successful. >> don borelli, thank you very much. have a good holiday. still to come, nfl star quarterback peyton manning angrily denies allegations that
an nfl banned performance enhancing drug was shipped to his house under his wife's name. why the allegations surrounding manning's wife leave questions unanswered. we continue to follow breaking news affecting a large portion of the country. the extreme weather, first tornadoes, then flooding, now icing, snow and freezing rain in parts of the southwest and midwest. at least 11 people have died in texas after a parade of deadly tornadoes. among those dead, the mother of four who died when an ef-4 tornado hit garland, texas. in the midwest, it is flooding that is causing the death toll to rise. four soldiers were among the dead in missouri. the storm system that started it all continues to march across the united states. the weather channel's alex wilson is tracking the extreme weather. where's the most potential danger for now? >> now we will be looking at the upper midwest into the northeast. notice all the winter storm warnings and advisories in play. we have snow, freezing rain.
that potential for icing will be problematic. still dealing with flooding rains around the st. louis area. here's the forecast as we go through the remainder of today. notice parts of northern illinois into iowa, that's where we could see some significant icing, also parts of lower michigan. as far as snowfall goes, up to a foot into portions of minnesota and wisconsin. here's the ice accumulation, northern sections of illinois going to be the areas to watch. we could see over a half inch of ice. power outages will be a threat as we look towards the northeast, winter weather advisories, freezing rain advisories and winter storm watches in play. take a look at this. the snow, the freezing rain, the rain will be headed that way as well as we head into the overnight and early morning hours of your tuesday. we could see heavy snow accumulations and ice accumulations there as well. over a foot into portions of new hampshire and maine and ice accumulations in excess of a half inch into north central pennsylvania. "msnbc live" continues after the break. we live in a pick and choose world.
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an al-jazeera investigative reporter is standing by her report today that hgh was sent to legendary quarterback peyton manning's wife at their home in 2011. manning has strongly denied doping, saying he is so angry over the report that he just might sue. >> it's completely fabricated, complete trash, garbage. disgusted is really how i feel. sickened by it. >> al-jazeera's source was a former pharmacy intern from the guyer institute in indiana. charlie sly said hgh was sent over and over again to manning through his wife ashley, whose name was always on the package. sly also implicates a handful of other pro athletes. on youtube this week, he recanted his claims. >> recordings of me were made without my knowledge or consent. the statements on any recordings or communications that al-jazeera plans to air are
absolutely false and incorrect. to be clear, i am recanting any such statements and there is no truth to any statement of mine that al-jazeera plans to air. >> we are joined live from bristol, connecticut. jamelle, i appreciate you being with us. we talk about this, manning denial after denial here, saying anything sent from that institute to his wife is her business, has nothing to do with him. just a short time ago on msnbc, one of al-jazeera's investigative reporters had this to say. >> let's be clear what the allegation is and what it's not. what charlie sly says is that the guyer institute shipped human growth hormone to ashley manning in florida. i have not heard anyone deny that. if it was not true, would peyton manning have come out and said human growth hormone has never been shipped to my wife in florida?
>> want to ask you, does she have a point there that manning didn't squash any claims that hgh was sent to him or his wife and whether he or she just kind of put that to rest? >> well, i think she's right in the sense that when he was asked directly by the reporter about whether or not his wife had received those shipments, his answer was sort of one that left you with more questions, because he said that's my wife, that's her personal business, and i think -- i'm sure a lot of married guys are watching that thinking like okay, if something is sent to my wife, i would have no idea or that's just her business. and at the very least, peyton manning has to realize if that were the case, how it looks, that the drug that while there's no testing for athletes in the nfl, is being sent to his house and granted, a lot of people have used hgh and certainly when roger clemens was accused of the same thing, his wife admitted to usi using hgh. you have to ask does it pass the
smell test. is it plausible. >> let's throw in and consider the fact this reporter, charlie sly, had that youtube video we just ran saying you know what, that all was untrue. will that change it? >> i don't think it will. i think a lot of it has to do with fair or not. we have seen this movie before when it comes to professional athletes and performance-enhancing drugs. we have seen rafael palmiero look at congress and shake his head and say he didn't use peds only to find out he did. we saw lance armstrong and ryan braun destroy people's lives to protect their legacies only to come out later and find out they did. the unfair part for peyton manning is regardless of what he says now, the cynicism is there because that's just the society we live in now. >> we will see what that does when it comes to the legacy and the manning brand. thank you very much for being with us. i want to bring in msnbc senior legal correspondent ari melber to talk about potential legal ramifications here.
interesting when you hear peyton manning using the word defamation, saying he may sue over the al-jazeera report. how hard is it to win a case like that? >> very hard. that's for a couple of reasons. number one, defamation in this case isn't just about whether the statements were false, but for him as a public figure, whether they were pursued recklessly, with reckless disregard for the truth. if private citizen wanted to sue someone for defamation about a private matter, they would have a lower bar. the bar is raised on someone like peyton manning basically because the courts have said you chose to be famous, you are going to be covered and scrutinized more than other people. under colorado state law, there is basically a severe type of defamation, they call it defamation per se. all that means is certain stuff is really bad, like accusing someone of a crime or of something that affects their professional integrity. this is both, right, because the type of allegation not just whether this stuff was shipped but whether, why everyone cares about it, whether it was for doping, that would be potential
illegal use and goes to his professional integrity as an athlete. whether he wants to sue al-jazeera or mr. sly, who made the accusation, those are the kind of claims he would have to pursue. >> we will see where this goes with the accusations and whether that will come out in a lawsuit. ari melber, thanks. just ahead, hoverboard wipeouts. one of the year's must-have holiday gifts is now keeping doctors and emergency rooms very busy. first, a new gallop released today has the most admired of 2015. topping the list is democratic front-runner hillary clinton and president barack obama. coming in second place, another tie between donald trump and pope francis. that brings us to our pulse question on donald trump. has his controversial comments accusing former bill clinton of sexism. we want to know have those comments on bill clinton gone too far? here's how we are looking so far. kind of split. 55% of you at home voting yes. they have gone too far.
now developing stories we are watching on this monday, including new fears as firefighter battle out west. the fast-moving fire on friday led to the emergency evacuation of nearly 100 california homes. this blaze along the pacific coast highway north of ventura, california, sparked by a downed power line and likely won't be completely under control until tuesday. breaking news from chicago, mayor emanuel announced officers separated from field duties for 30 days when involved in a field shooting. the authority will audit policies. this after police shot and killed 55-year-old betty jones and 19-year-old lagreir saturday. their families are demanding
answers and we'll a live report next hour. and an update on that riot of nearly 2,000 people. the restaurant owner is sharing this video and see people running to safety through restaurant windows. it was part of the chaos before mall st. matthews closed including a substantiated reports of gun fire. no arrests were made. hoverboards one of the most popular gifts this kris ms and controversial. they can be dangerous and the internet is exploding with users with new troubles. not exploding or catching fire. kerry sanders brings us more of that story. >> reporter: hoverboards, one of the hottest christmas gift this is year, harder to stay on on. the self balanced electric scooters causing riders of all ages to lose their balance. since christmas, the videos are all over social media. showing would be riders having
more than a little trouble. falls ranging from funny to downright dangerous. >> oh! >> reporter: one florida congressman said he tried one and ended up in the hospital. this 12-year-old took a spill and broke his arm. others on social media reporting a similar fate. count me in bruised ribls. my poor father fell off our hoverboard and he is in the hospital. leading up to the holidays the consumer product safety commission warned of the fall hazard with dozens of reports of injuries that required a trip to the hospital. that government agency encourages users to always wear a helmet and proper padding when attempting to hover. but it's advice not everyone is heeding. >> hoverboard is on fire. >> reporter: and federal safety regulators are investigating the boards after several caught fire. amazon recently pulled most brands from its site and
overstock.com stopped selling them. still, they're a truly hot item that many riders just can't seem to get enough of. >> that was kerry sanders reporting. straight ahead on msnbc live, tornadoes, blizzards and heavy rain targeting the middle of the country sparking water rescues like this one. and killing at least 24 people in 3 states. we're tracking the deadly storm system in the united states. plus, did bernie sanders get donald trump to change his tune? (cell phone rings) where are you? well the squirrels are back in the attic. mom? your dad won't call an exterminator... can i call you back, mom? he says it's personal this time... if you're a mom, you call at the worst time. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. where are you? it's very loud there.
families of the victims. >> shooting without asking. why these guys shoot first and ask questions later? it's ridiculous! somebody needs to do something about this. this is ridiculous! >> that was a childhood friend of 55-year-old bettie jones. police say they shot the mother of five accidentally and also quinned 19-year-old quintonio legrier. he was combative and threatening his father. there's an investigation. we have the story covered on the ground in chicago. that's where msnbc's correspondent sarah dallof is as well as the pastor for the fami family. sarah, tell us about the reforms and the response of the community already tense from the laquan mcdonald case before this even happened. >> reporter: that's correct, frances. chicago's mayor describes the reforms as significant. the first one that any officer
involved in a shooting or a similar incident will be immediately placed on administrative duties and pulled out of the field for 30 days while his training and condition is assessed. the mayor also ordered a comprehensive review of crisis intervention and de-escalation policies and determine and address any possible deficiencies and in a statement, part, quote, while the investigation is under way we must make real changes within our police department and it is clear changes are needed as to how officers respond to mental health crisis. legrier, a 19-year-old college student on break and experiencing mental problems in the last few months, reportedly threatening his father with a metal baseball bat and police say when they arrived he was combative and led to him -- led to them firing shots. they say 55-year-old bettie
jones, a mother of five, beloved in the community accidentally struck and tragically killed. today, frances, it is cold, snowy and very windy. possibly keeping any protests or demonstrators inside for today but there's a lot of raw emotion and outrage at the deaths of two unarmed individuals. back to you. >> all right. sarah dallof for us there in chicago. as we await a news conference as of another case of police and deadly shooting of 12-year-old that myr tamir rice, there will be an announcement about the investigation of rice. when that happens, as we're seeing some people approach the podium there, we'll bring it to you live. but for now, reverend hatch. the story we were just covering, the pastor for the family of
bettie jones. you have been sharing a lot of time with the family. actually, sir, if i can ask you to hold on a moment, we want to go outside cleveland, ohio, hearing from the prosecutors there. let's take a quick listen. >> good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. my name is tim mcgwinney, the county prosecutor. four years ago i retired to run for county prosecutor making our criminal justice system for transparent, professional and accountable. i believe that greater openness would reduce the errors that cost lives. within promise i made was to fundamentally change how cases are handled when a police officer kills a civilian. to end the traditional system where the prosecutor privately reviewed police reports and then decided if an officer should be charged. that secrecy which appeared arbitrary without a public investigative report undermined community confidence.
it was clear we needed a more rigorous, independent investigation of police use of deadly force. although not required by ohio law, i now have all evidence review not just by the prosecutor in these cases. or this office. but by the citizens of the grand jury city as an investigative panel. they hear all the evidence and make the final call. our office also shares with the public completed independent investigative reports so that there will be no mystery about what occurred or rumors in a citizen's death. this transparency gives the community an opportunity to correct errors for more quickly inl stead of waiting years until the opportunity, enthusiasm for reform are lost. the lessons are forgotten. here, we want the lessons learned and applied. that is why -- what we have done and will do in all 20 use of force cases that have come to
this office in the past 3 years. today the cuyahoga county grand jury completed the thorough investigation of the fatal shooting of the 12-year-old tamir rice on december 22nd, 2014, at the cadell recreational center. based on the evidence they heard and the police use of deadly force, the grand jury declined to bring criminal charges against cleveland police officers timothy lo man and frank garback. that was also my recommendation after reviewing the investigation and the law. a short time ago, we informed tamir's mother of the grand jury's decision. it was a tough conversation. we again expressed con doll ens of our office, the sheriff's detectives and everyone else who's worked so diligently on this case and our sincere wish that these events on that
traumatic day at the rec center unfolded differently. she was broken up and it's very hard. we explained to her that this was a difficult decision also but that to charge police even in situation what was as undeniably tragic as the death of her son, the state must be able to show that the officers acted outside the constitutional boundaries set forth by the supreme court of these united states. simply put, given this perfect storm of human error, mistakes and miscommunications, by all involved, that day, the evidence did not indicate criminal conduct by police. on close examination, especially of the most critical piece of evidence, a very recent enhancement of the surveillance video by an expert laboratory often relied upon by the fbi, it is now indisputable that tamir
drawing his gun from his waist as the police slid toward him and officer loman exited the car. at the point where they suddenly came together, both tamir and rookie officer were no doubt frightened. if we put ourselves in the victim's shoes as prosecutors and detectives try to do, it is likely that tamir whose size made him look much older, intended to hand it over to the officers or show them it wasn't a real gun. but there was no way for the officers to know that because they saw the events rapidly unfolding in front of them from a very different perspective. just minutes before they had been assigned and ordered to respond to a code 1 report of a, quote, guy end quote pointing a gun at people outside the rec center. that guy they had been told dressed exactly as tamir one.
as they race that mile toward the rec center from the other assignment, the police were prepared to face a possible active shooter in a neighborhood with a history of violence. there are, in fact, memorials to two slain cleveland police officers in that very park a short distance away and both have been shot to death nearby in the line of duty. police are trained that it only takes a third of a second or less to draw and fire a weapon upon them. and therefore they must react quickly to any threat. officer loman had seen tamir put an object in his waist as they pulled up and he stood up in the gazebo and started walking away. a moment later, as the car slid toward him, tamir drew the rep will ka gun from his waist and the officer fired. you will be able to see the -- an actual colt 1911 model pistol and an identical replica gun
used that day. they're difficult to tell apart even by people familiar with guns and even when you stand and stare at it. a moment later, as the car slid toward him, tamir drew the replica gun. and the officer fired. he had reasonable belief given the high stress circumstances and his police training. he had reason to fear for his life. it would be unresponsible and unreasonable if the law required a police officer to wait and see if the gun was real. the outcome will not cheer anyone. nor should it. every time i think about this case i cannot help but feel that the victim could have been my own son or grandson. everyone here who's worked in investigated this case feels the same way. it brings -- it all to sadness, everyone who investigated this case has children who goes to
parks and rec centers. no parent follows their 12-year-old around all day. that's why this case taps such profound emotions in all of us. the rice family suffered a grievous loss. nothing will replace tamir in their lives. the police officers and the police department must live with the awful knowledge that their mistakes, however unintentional, led to the death of a 12-year-old boy. so will the police radio personnel whose errors substantial, contributing factors to the tragic outcome. they passed along detailed information about the guy outside the rec center, the clothing and the colors of the coat and the camouflage hat but not the all-important facts that the 911 caller said the gunman was probably, quote, probably a juvenile and the gun may not be real. had the officers been aware of
these qualifiers, the training officer was driving might have approached the scene with less urgency. lives not -- may not have been put at stake. the fact that the code 1 high priority call about a possible active shooter next to an rec center based on inaccurate information is a very significant legal fact. but will do little to ease the emotional burdens that the family and all involved must now carry. our entire community has suffered through gut-wrenching self examinations and recriminations. when an innocent civilian let alone a child is killed by a police officer it touches a nerve that lies close to the surface of all of us in society. that is especially true since the events in place of such as ferguson and chicago have exposed a gulf of distrust and resentment that too often divides police from the very communities they serve. and when the public is kept in the dark about facts of an
investigation into these incidents, that distrust can grow. all those emotions are compounded when a 12-year-old boy is killed on video but the original grainy video that had been shown repeatedly on tv is only a small part of the story, important but small. that's why the case demanded an investigation to determine if this was indeed a tragic crime or a tragic accident. the supreme court instructs us to judge an officer's conduct by what he or she knew at the moment. not by what was learned later. we are instructed to ask what a reasonable police officer with the knowledge he had would do in this particular situation. the supreme court prohibits second guesting police tactics with 20/20 tactics and gives the benefit of the officers to make split second decisions when a
reasonably believe their lives or those of innocent bystanders are in danger. based on these rules it became clear through this investigation that the actions of officers loman and garback were not criminal and the reasons for this assistant county prosecutor matthew mier and james gudiaez outlined in an online report. in a few moments i'll ask assistant prosecutor mier to provide the detailed factual legal analysis of this case, the improved evidence that we have discussed already but now let's deal with it. the death of tamir rice was an absolute tragedy. it was horrible, unfortunate and regrettable but it was not by the law that binds us a crime. through this process, we, too, have heard the chants and we,
too, want justice. but justice would not be achieved by bringing charges to violate the ethic cannons of our profession. this decision does not mean the legal system is finished with this case. in our country, we have parallel systems of justice and the civil justice system may yet provide the rice family with some of the accountability they deserve. let the grand jury live with this case for more than two months, heard all the witnesses and was there to evaluate each witness's credibility and to question them. in cases where the police used deadly force against citizens we now have other citizens review the evidence and make the final call. as a local judge recently said, if you don't trust the grand jury, you don't trust your neighbors. i trust the people of cuyahoga county to make the final call and that's why i have changed the procedure n. this case and every other case of police use
of deadly force in this county. now, there have been lessons learned already. in this case. that is the plus side of this tragic event. and it should never happen again. if -- steps have been taken to see it does not. first, the city has bought body cams for all its officers and should help greatly. we'll know exactly what happened in each situations. dashcams are on the way for cleveland police department and the suburban departments with the $1 million this office provided from seized and forfeited moneys from criminals and criminal convictions. our goal is to have every car, every police car in cuyahoga county and cleveland and the suburbs with dashcams and officers all wearing body cams. it will improve public confidence and performance and protects both the officer and
the individual. we'll know exactly what happened in the future and public confidence rises and complaints fall dramatically shown across the country. the second important event that's taken place since this occurred is the consent agreement of the city and the city of cleveland and the department of justice. that will dramatically change the way the city hires, trains and managed its police. i once again applaud major jackson and council for leadership on this issue and the police chief williams who's determined to constantly improve the department and he has. we have a great chief and a great mayor. and finally, i want to call on the legislature and the manufacturers of toy guns not to make guns that look so much like the real thing. if the color and design of tamir pellet gun screamed toy then the call that set this tragedy into motion may never have happened.
the grand jury made the final decision. now it is time for the community and all of us to start to heal. we have taken steps to learn. we'll continue to learn. we'll continue to improve the quality of the justice system we have here in this county. but before anyone reaches their own conclusions and everyone's welcome to their own, we ask please to review the facts and evidence in this investigation has uncovered. we have issued the report of the sheriff's department and i thank sheriff pinckney and detective morgan and all the other detective that is worked on this case here. and all the hard work they put in. look at the report, look at the facts. lock at the law. that's why we put the reports out as they come in so we're not making decisions based on rumors or hearsay or the like. these are actual facts and we can learn from these facts. i call for the leaders of our community to now respect the
process and the decision of the grand jury and to urge others to express their opinions in a peaceful and lawful manner. i appreciate the sincere emotion and concern of all citizens who have expressed their feelings on this case and we thank them. we thank them for caring. and i will now turn this over to assistant prosecutor matt meyer a head of the public corruption unit of the cuyahoga county prosecutor's office, a former chief of the appellate unit and mr. meyer argued successfully a -- at the united states supreme court this spring and an opinion issued 9-0 this fall in a -- what i consider a landmark case, ohio versus clark. i thank him. i thank jim gutierrez and the other prosecutors here who worked on the case and the other
udfs. use of deadly force cases. we have had many. just earlier this month we had two police officers within a three-day period shot in the chest by assailants. they both individuals were killed by other police officers. not the person shot. but these -- this is a violent, violent society with all of these guns. this is a tough job and i -- to investigate these cases and i thank the individuals who do the work. now we'll hear from mr. meyer. thank you very much for your attention. >> all right. you have been listening to the cuyahoga county prosecutor announcing that the grand jury there out of the cleveland, ohio, suburb decided against charges at the two officers involved in the shooting death of 12-year-old tamir rice. a high-profile case stemming from november of 2014 where the 12-year-old boy, african-american boy in a park
outside west of cleveland on a swing and he got a call, police got a call there saying that there was a person who was armed when those two officers approached him rice police say reached for the gun which was a pellet gun. and also known as an air gun and the officers fired killing tamir rice. now the grand jury completing the investigation saying they will not charge the two officers, the prosecutor there saying that this was a perfect storm of human error. the officer had reason to fear more his life. even demonstrating a sample of an actual gun. a real pistol and a pellet gun similar to the one that rice used. i want to bring in msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber. hearing about this and knowing there were independent investigations called in this, the department of yus tis to look into it, as well, talk about the ramifications of saying the officers are not charged because they feared for
their life and had to fire at rice? >> yeah, look. this is a decision that has been long awaited. a lot of skepticism whether this was an investigation seeking charges or something else. i think tim mcginty just answered that. not returning charges for the deadly shooting of rice, that 12-year-old boy and seeing that now infamous foot nlg there again on video and someone everyone agrees is a tragedy. is it a crime? you look at our headline here, frances, the bottom of the screen. grand jury decides no charges in the tamir rice case. that's breaking news and that's true. the prosecutor didn't think charges were warranted and i was struck by him saying one point it might have violated his ethical obligations to pursue charges here that were not warranted. and this goes to something that has been pointed out repeatedly in the area of officer involved shootings which are so controversial. is that the normal process or a different process? well, the breaking news here
from tim mcginty, a different process. a prosecutor presents to a grand jury with a recommendation of charges. this's the whole purpose. he would say this is what we have. do you support it to charge it. he said the opposite. he announced to the world what he did is present his recommendation of no charges that he thought it was justified force and asked the grand jury what do you think? he said they agreed with him, supported that. obviously what a prosecutor presents has an incredible impact. the reports you mentioned, as well, seen as supporting the police. there's nothing wrong with that if that's accurate. i thought the most stunning evidence is showing the toy gun next to the real gun and making the argument in realtime the police wouldn't be able to tell the difference there. >> you have the prosecutor calling and saying, you know what? we don't need these pellet guns, these air guns, made even more showing again how similar they
actually looked. ari melber -- >> i have to add one more thing. looking at the news, it is striking that this was a 12-year-old boy and when the car pulls up, the officers don't do much of any analysis, fact finding or anything else. within second shoot this boy. now, they say they had apprehension of fear of their lives. of course, they just showed up. that's the big question here i think is not answered by this prosecutor's presentation was, did they really have the legally required fear of imminent, grievous bodily harm or death to themselves or others and knowledgeably make that determination before the boy was shot dead? the grand jury telling us that they thought it was justified. >> the person calling 911 dispatcher said there's a boy, probably fake and probably a juvenile. >> the prosecutor saying that the officers didn't have that accurate information but a big part of the puzzle here.
>> thank you so much. i want to bring in earl ward, the attorney for the rice family. i appreciate your being with us. we heard this, the prosecutor spoke with tamir rice's mother. what is their reaction to this grand jury decision? >> hi, good afternoon. ms. rice, obviously, is devastated. you know? she was hoping and praying for jus ftice for tamir and it is a devastating decision for her and extremely distraught. >> i know earlier in month the rice family filed a wrongful death suit against the officers and the city of cleveland. where is that standing? and what else is the family and tamir rice's family going to seek justice in her eyes? >> so the wrongful death action was filed about a year ago. and that has been stayed pending
the decision of the grand jury so right now we will proceed forward. but, you know, look. it's torrent to pursue this civil case but what i think, you know, miss rice wanted was accountable. she wanted someone to be held accountable for the killing of her 12-year-old son. that didn't happen here because the grand jury voted no true bill and i think because they were influenced by the prosecutor who had determined that there were no criminal charges here. that no criminal charges should have been filed and also going to proceed with a federal, you know, request for a federal inquiry into this. we've already done so and we have gotten some indication that the federal government is interested in looking at this case very closely. >> all right. keep us posted as that continues to develop, sir.
we appreciate your time. i know you have to get back to the family as you have been with them. i'm sure for the better part of today. thank you so much. earl ward, the attorney for the rice family. thank you. want to go back to reverend marshal hatch, the reverend for the family of bettie jones who was shot over the weekend by chicago police. we want your reaction of this and we last spoke with you, the decision in the rice case with the grand jury deciding not to charge the two aufrts officers involved. >> it is heartbreaking. and of course, you know, almost entirely unconvincing to some of us as the council just stated. the grand jury is, in fact, influenced by the prospective of the prosecutor. and in this case, it's almost as if the fix was in and that the prosecutor didn't think there was a case off the bat. it's almost tragic to hear us have these conversations and no
reference at all to race as we try to almost be postracial and the law has to catch up with the reality when those police officers come to the scene they don't just see a person or a child. they see a black child and does that influence their sense of being threatened because of the lenses of race? somewhere the legal conversation has to catch up with what's happening out here on these streets. >> your take on this story before talking about jones, as well, when you have the prosecutor calling it just a perfect storm of human error and then looking and seeing a comparison of a pistol and that of a pellet gun and they look very, very similar to some. they say even those who are used to and know a lot about guns, your take on that when they say, you know what? this is a matter of human error.
>> when you have a culture of toy guns, number one, the fact is that this was a child. and then, the fact that the officer within seconds fires with no time for an assessment, with no other kind of alternatives on how they're going to depart out of their vehicles and determine and what assess is the situation. it is the recipe for storms when the first impulse is shoot and kill. >> well, let's talk about that, especially in the case with the family that you are with, the family of bettie jones shot over the weekend in chicago by police there. she was shot as police say accidentally and also the 19-year-old college student who died quintonio legrier. police said he was combative in this incident, threatening his father, what this means especially in a very tense community of chicago, first 0 of all, how is the jones family
doing? >> it is -- it is absolutely devastating and this is, you know, it is heartbreaking. the day after christmas. the morning after christmas. for this family to have had this tragedy for a woman who was simply just trying to answer the door and allow the police to come in and she's a victim of police victim. very disturbing. >> i know she is a mother of five and we did hear earlier from her childhood friend who was just so outspoken in her rage about this. talk to me about the family and the community knowing, again, already tense from the mcdonald case. already tense with racial tension of police, the mayor and then now there is this. >> well, you know, from the perspective of the family, ms. jones, for example, was just having a conversation with her oldest daughter on christmas day. and they had both decided to
reconfirm their faith and unite back with the church on this coming sunday. you know, this is a family that has faith. that is family that believes in god and, of course, that faith is sustaining them. but it is just -- it is just absolutely tragic to this family to have a person who was in effect acting as a good neighbor for her neighbor to open the door for the police. >> sir? >> and she is a victim of the police. >> railroad quickly, we know that mayor emanuel talked about reforms and changes within the police department as far as officers on administrative duty and he is on vacation in cuba. he is cutting that vacation to come back to chicago to deal with this situation here. what would you like to see? is it enough that he's talking about reforms? what would you and the family of bettie jones like to see as far as the mayor and the city? >> right now, there's a major crisis in trust. very few people actually trust the mayor's independent police
review authority. we don't see it necessarily as authority and over times, it's not had much authority. over 400 cases that they investigated. four cases sustained. over the years. really, we have a crisis in confidence that is really has a -- we have major tensions in this city. and the mayor does need to return home as soon as possible. >> he is doing that. cutting his family trip short on the holidays to return to deal with this. we'll see what he has to say. reverend, we appreciate your time. >> thank you very much. >> waiting through and weighing in on the grand jury decision on the rice case, as well. thank you. >> thank you. still ahead, we have breaking news out of iraq. forces retaking the key city of ramadi. what this means for the fight against isis in iraq. and then this. >> disgusted is how i feel. sickened by it. >> peyton manning flatly denying doping, what he is saying now
now to the breaking news we have been monitoring, the death toll climbed to 11 in texas after a powerful series of tornadoes tag teamed the state and across the country high winds, high water, ice and snow causing even more trouble. storm system so mighty there are watches, warnings and disaster declarations new mexico to minnesota. in dallas, this morning, crews barely got to the one motorist in time. the man pulled to safety from the roof of the vehicle trapped in the high waters. an iowa city, iowa, freezing rain you see falling across the city. there is a thick coat of ice on the roads and street signs making driving conditions treacherous. we have reporters in texas and
illinois and bring in charles hadlock in garland, texas. a tough scene there still wet and a lot of issues weather-wise making it difficult for them to clean up. >> reporter: that's right. the tornado was saturday night, of course. saturday during the day it was 82 degrees here in the dallas area. it is now in the 30s, windchills in the 20s. but this is what people are having to deal with today. this is the landmark apartments in garland. it is a landmark for a different reason, the site of where the tornado passed by. 200 units, several hundred people, about 20 people were injured in these apartments. no one was killed here. you see the damaged cars here. all but -- all but three of the fatalities in texas were in cars. along interstate 30 as the storm
came through it swept them off the highway and they were killed. ought people were in cars. they all died when the storm came through. national weather service did a survey yesterday and they determined that the storm was 550 yards wide and the path was 13 miles long. from sunnyvale, texas, to blue ridge, texas. it's a president of destruction that destroyed or damaged more than 1,000 homes. it's going to be a tough cleanup but at least the weather, the rain has stopped. the cooler temperatures are here. and now people will begin picking up the pieces. back to you. >> certainly can use any good news they can get. charles hadlock, thank you very much. joining me from chicago's o'hare airport is wendy wolflinken. the words of delays in that part of the country. wendy? >> reporter: you're right, frances. good afternoon.
mother nature is not cooperating with the holiday travelers. more than 1,000 flights nationwide canceled. 1,000 other delays as the different airports deal with the weather system moving through from the southwest to the midwest today. at this point, they're short and they have been ebbing and flowing all morning long and the average delay here still an hour for departures. as we have seen, people come and go here, though, most passengers taking it in stride except for poor people traveling with small children. three pieces of advice because we have this yet red and yellow on the flight boards at this point. as always, call your carrier before you come out here. don't forget your phone charger and the old cliche, frances, pack your patience. live at o'hare -- i'm just really glad that the live shot is indoors instead of outdoors this time. >> i feel for you. hopefully it will clear up for everybody else to get home.
wendy, thank you very much for the update. donald trump, he is in new hampshire today to rally supporters later tonight. that could be where the warm reception ends. there's a scathing editorial this morning calling the idea of trump as a republican presidential nominee an insult to the intelligence of granite state republicans and as with anyone that attacks trump, of course, he hits back. a short time ago donald trump accused the newspaper of colluding with christie. reportedly telling local station, quote, chris is behind this. want to bring in host and political correspondent steve kornacki with more on that. interesting the choice words "the union leader" had there as far as their attack on trump and now why is he calling out chris christie for this when it's "the union leader"? >> this is an interesting story.
this is about a newspaper editorial and maybe some people tempt to say what does it matter? manchester union leader is different than most newspapers because they don't just put the editorial on the editorial page. as you saw there, they plaster it on the front page. they are very direct. they are very blunt. so they used a front page editorial to go after drump. this is the largest newspaper in new hampshire. a conservative paper and sway with republican voters. so they went after donald trump in this front page editorial today. donald trump we should tell you just fires back a few minutes ago giving an interview to wmur television, the main station up there in new hampshire. he called the publisher of "the union leader" and he called him a total low life. as you say, he says that he is in collusion with chris christie, that the publisher of the paper in collusion with christie. "the union leader" last month endorsed chris christie for president over donald trump.
trump is saying the christie fingerprints all over this and goes on to talk about all of these he says favors that he did that he trump did for the publish joe mcquaid and says that mcquaid is a total low life and that mcquaid told him one point that he thought christie in embracing barack obama after hurricane sandy and before the 2012 election trump said that mcquaid told him he thought that was disgraceful. when's mcquaid have to say about this? a shameless plug at 5:00, we'll talk about him and see the response to what trump said. >> certainly interesting and first of all you get that op-ed calling trump a crude blowhard and compared him to a bully of "back to the future." donald trump going after the publish and christie, he's going after hillary and now bill clinton. in fact, hillary clinton said trump has, quote, a penchant for
sexism after use of vulgar language in a comment about her. >> i think he is fair game because his presidency was really considered to be very troubled to put it mildly because of the things she's talking to me about. she's mentioning sexism. we have to fight fairly and she is playing the woman's card and it's like give me a break. >> all right. it seems like donald trump thinks this clinton attack is a winning strategy but let's talk about that, especially when the other side you have bill clinton who's going to start campaigning now for hillary clinton. we'll start seeing them together. you know what? what does donald trump have to gain after going after the former president? >> yeah, well, of course, in the republican primary, if you pick a public fight with hillary clinton and throw bill clinton in there, too, you're probably going to help yourself and not hurt yourself with the core voters of the republican party. whether the way trump is going about this sits well with them ultimately we'll see and also interesting, frances, now he is saying that bill clinton's
conduct as president is a legitimate issue and wants to raise and be critical of. obviously he's been critical of hillary clinton. this afternoon video surfaced of donald trump in 2008 before the presidential election talking about bill and hillary clinton and nothing but praise for them then. let's listen to that. >> hillary's a great friend of mine. her husband is a great friend of mine. they're fantastic people. i mean, you know, the thing they gate bad knock. she is a very nice woman. people think tough, tough. she is. he is a very nice guy. we know all about the smarts and how smart they are but they're good people. >> and of course, frances, we haven't heard trump respond to this video but we have in the past heard him basically say, look, before six months ago i wasn't a politician, i did these things for the business
interest. >> especially when bill clinton hits the campaign trail and now starting to see with hillary clinton, you know, when and if and how he goes about it and dealing with the whole trump thing. steve, thank you very much. >> sure. we have been asking you to weigh in on donald trump's comments on bill clinton. have donald trump's comments on bill clinton gone too far? here are your responses so far coming to our microsoft pulse question. 62% of you said, yes. last check, now 63%. it was 55%. 37% of our viewers say, no. still time to vote.
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disgusted is how i feel. sickened by it. >> the source was a former pharmacy intern in indiana. charlie sly said hgh was sent over and over again to manning though his wife ashley whose name was always on the package. manning is not the only player accused in the report but on youtube sly is recanting all of his claims. >> in recordings of me made without my knowledge or consent. the statements on any recordings or communications that al jazeera plans to air are incorrect. i'm recanting any such statements and there is no truth to any statement of mine that they play to air. >> joining me is jason page of nbc sports radio. thank you for being with us here and when i was listening to the interview and that investigative report, if you missed it, we'll talk about it on the other side.
>> be clear, the allegation is what it is and whatnot. charlie sly says that the institute shipped human growth hormone to ashley manning in florida. i have not heard anyone deny that. if it was not true, would peyton manning have come out and said human growth hormone has never been shipped to my wife in florida? >> some are like, okay, does she have a point there? >> of course she does. is it a far leap and jump to think ashley manning got hgh and peyton manning coming off neck surgery and throws 50 touchdowns in 2011, there's no chance that he could have possibly used hgh? really? >> what he said is what she does is her business. if my husband said, what are you talking about? you know my business. >> exactly sigh that going to
make it worse? >> listen. i think this whole thing right now, there's a lot of gray area because there are still things we don't know. for instance, charlie sly says, hey, i wasn't an employee in this place. some people at the institute saying he wasn't a ploem at 2011. he was an intern in 2013. how could he know about 2011? and al gentlemjazeera standing story. >> he's back pedaling. does that help manning with sly saying i take back everything i say? >> he's a sleaze civ character to begin with. this is the equivalent of unsending the e-mail after you have blasted it out to the world and charlie sly doesn't have credibility. >> manning, legacy and brand bruised now? >> yes. we don't know how badly yet. we'll learn more. >> you'll be talking about it. >> you know it. >> thank you very much.
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safe to say the force awakened at the box office. another record broken by the newest edition by the franchise. it surged past $1 billion in sales in 12 days, the fastest rise of any movie ever. joining me now here in new york is senior editor for in-touch weekly, kim seraphin and talking about a billion bucks so far with the numbers here. not surprising? that it's hit a billion at this point in 12 days? >> no. not surprising considering the build-up, the anticipation, the people had been talking about it. the fact it appeals to younger people, people who have a nostalgia of it.
i don't think it's surprising. and it was so well reviewed. 95% on rotten tomatoes and people love it. people are going to see it not just once, throw times and that's why record billion dollars in 12 days beating jurassic world. >> when you think of the movie that is beat it, titanic, avatar, close to -- past the 2 billion dollar, can "star wars" beat it? i think yeah. >> worldwide it could be over $2 billion. right now you mention avatar 2.78 billion. titanic it has not even opened in china yet. this opens in china january 9th so think about the money that's going to bring in. still bringing in money. over christmas weekend, best christmas box office ever because of "star wars" driving that. disney closing some of the rights for more "star wars" down
the right? >> yeah. iconic rides and attractions in frontier land and the petting zoo all closed permanently to make way for "star wars" land and you get to pilot the millennium falcon. >> may 2017 when the next installment is coming snout. >> yeah. >> filming next month? >> yeah. so, be ready. be waiting because this is already making huge box office and people are waiting for this. >> if you haven't had enough already, thank you very much. >> thank you. that's how we'll end here on today's show to msnbc live. i'll be back here tomorrow in for thomas roberts.
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newspaper "the union leader" published a skaitding editorial saying trump insults new hampshire voters' intelligence and link the candidate to the back to the future villain biff. donald trump personally attacked the paper's publisher joe mcquaid. >> he'd asked me to speak at events, joe mcquaid. he is a real low life. on top of that, he does this. i knew he would do it. i didn't do his debate. it was a total failure. i didn't do his debate. >> i'm craig melvin. this is msnbc live and joined by anchor and correspondent steve kornacki. steve, what's going on here? give us context. most folks probably don't know who this mcquaid guy is. >> "the union leader." a newspaper editorial. why does it matter? it's the biggest newspaper in the state and also