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good morning, everyone. i'm ayman mohyeldin in for tamron hall. bill cosby's legal team vowing to fight to clear his name now that he's been charged with aggravated indecent assault. his arrest is dominating headlines including the front payable of the "new york daily news." quote, he said some of she said, she said and on and on and on.
it's the first charge cosby has faced since more than 50 women have come forward accusing him of sexual misconduct. cosby and his representatives have repeatedly denied all of those allegations. if convicted, the 78-year-old could get up to ten years in prison. cosby has yet to enter a plea and is free on $1 million bail as he awaits trial. on "today" this morning, his attorney said the charge is unjustified. >> the former d.a. said there was no need to go further and that it belonged in the civil courts, and now through a game of political football, at which my client's life is the center, we are back again. >> do you think there will be discussions about a plea agreement? would you be open to some kind of a plea agreement, or in your mind, is this a case that will go to trial? >> i have no idea what the prosecutor's office is going to do and what the inner workings are of their system. >> would you be open to it? >> my client is not guilty, and there will be no consideration on our part of any sort of
arrangement. >> the charge stems from a 2004 incident prosecutors say occurred at his home in pennsylvania. the alleged victim identified as andrea constand who worked with the women's basketball team at temple university where cosby was on the board of trustees. now, prosecutors say cosby gave her pills and wine which left her incapacitated during which time cosby allegedly performed sexual acts against her. let's get to rosemary connors from our nbc station in philadelphia. she's outside cosby's home in cheltenham. rosemary, good to have you with us. can you talk to us a little bit about the timing of the prosecutor's filing for these charges and what their motivation was? >> reporter: good morning, ayman. yeah, prosecutors had a fast-approaching deadline to meet. we're talking about the statute of limitations. it's 12 years here in pennsylvania, and it was just about to expire within the next few days. that's why prosecutors made the announcement yesterday. now, they've been working on this case, this reinvestigation, the reopening of this case for about six months now.
and the reason why they decided to reopen the case is two reasons. one, the current district attorney was able to get her hands on some depositions that had been sealed from the civil case involving andrea constand and bill cosby. in those depositions, bill cosby made several admissions during his interviews with attorney. for instance, he admitted to obtaining prescription drugs for quaaludes that he did not take himself but that he would use during consensual sex with women. also, the other reason why the district attorney decided to take another look at this case is because the number of allegations from other women that have come forward. now, in terms of those depositions that were unsealed earlier this summer by a federal judge in the civil case, the big question moving forward is, one, whether they should have been unsealed in the first place, and two, whether they will be brought -- they will be able to be brought into court, assuming this moves on to trial. ayman? >> rosemary, what is next for bill cosby? >> reporter: so moving forward, two weeks from now on january
14th, there will be a preliminary hearing. that's when the judge is going to decide whether there's enough evidence if this case can move forward to a trial. as we mentioned, bill cosby is out on bail in the meantime. he posted that 10% of the $1 million bail yesterday. however, while he's out, there are some conditions that he has to abide by. for starters, he had to surrender his passport yesterday. that happened while he was in court. his attorney had it. he gave it to the assistant district attorney who was there in court. and also, he is not allowed to have any contact with andrea constand during the course of these proceedings. again, the expectation at this point is that this case will move on to trial. ayman? >> all right, nbc 10 reporter rosemary connors live for us in sche cheltenham, pennsylvania. let's bring in criminal defense attorney seema aier. good to have you here. a lot of questions surrounding this, particularly given the fact that constand had settled with cosby in her case. >> right.
>> and this is a case that dates back almost ten years ago. >> that's right. almost 12. >> yeah. how much is that going to make it harder for the prosecution going forward? >> i don't think it is, and here's why. there's a type of evidence called outcry evidence, and that is whether the complaining witness actually told on time. and she did, ayman. she told right away she went through the proper procedures of telling the prosecution. the prosecution at that time decided not to file charges. so it's not on her. the problem the prosecution's going to have is there isn't physical evidence. there isn't dna, and there aren't any eyewitnesses. and that's why i expect so many of the accusers, those 57 other women, to perhaps testify. >> yeah. you brought up the issue of those other women who have brought these allegations in some of these cases. as we've mentioned, he is facing sexual misconduct allegations from 57 women in total. >> right. >> but he and his lawyer have now repeatedly -- they themselves haven didded all of these allegations, but they've also filed lawsuits, defamation
lawsuits, against some of those accusers. how could that play into this trial? >> okay, that's a great question because now it's getting confusing. you're getting into tangential types of evidence that won't be allowed. the evidence that will be allowed is to show mr. cosby had a certain pattern of pills and alcohol and plying these women with these substances. but the defamation lawsuits, they can be questioned on cross-examination by the defense attorneys to attack credibility. but it will be very limited in scope. >> now, a major issue in this case is whether the other accusers will be called to testify. in most cases, they would not be allowed to, but if prosecutors are seeking to establish a pattern, the judge may allow it. in the last hour, attorney gloria allred was on our network. she represents 29 women who claim cosby sexually assaulted them. here's what she said to say when she was asked whether they would testify as you were just discussing. >> i can tell that you many of my clients are definitely
willing to testify if, as and when it's decided by the prosecutor that their testimony would be relevant and the judge decides that it would be admissible. i'll just make an educated guess that it's highly likely the defense will not want any other women who allege that they are victims to testify. you know, as to the defense attorney's allegation that it's too late, well, obviously it's not too late! it's still within the time period set by law in pennsylvania within the 12 years, which is the statute of limitations for criminal prosecution in this type of case. it's still, you know, time to prosecute. >> so do you think the judge and the prosecutor will want these other accusers to testify? we heard gloria there saying that she doesn't think the defense obviously would want them, but what about the judge and the prosecution? >> it's not about what they want. it's about what the law says. there's an area of law called uncharged crimes prior bad acts, and that's where these women would testify.
so the prosecution will make a pretrial motion to have these women testify. and the judge will balance that testimony against the potential prejudice to mr. cosby and also, ayman, there's so many women. they're not all going to be allowed to testify because then you get into what we call cumulative evidence. it's too much of the recurring story. >> all right. seema, thank you very much for that. we'll have to leave it at that. we'll be touching base with you in the months and weeks ahead. developing for you, a tense situation unfolding right now in missouri where the mississippi river is expected to crest later today after days of catastrophic flooding. at least 14 people have died in the state since the flooding began. and the situation is so bad that officials have closed interstate 55 south of st. louis. a major traffic artery in and around that area. now, that happens as the water continues to rise. joining me now is renee poshe with the u.s. corps of engineers.
>> well, public safety is our number one priority. and to that end, we have flood fight teams that are dispatched into the field, supporting the local levee districts. we're providing technical assistance. we've provided sandbags. i think close to 500,000 sandbasandbag s now and pumps and hoses and things of that nature to help with the flood fight. >> what would you say is the greatest challenge that you guys are facing right now? >> well, i think the biggest challenge is that folks need to listen to their local elected officials. you know, when the elected officials tell people to stay out of those flooded areas, don't drive their cars through those areas, they need to listen to that. that's the most important thing right now. >> and what's been your biggest concern as we expect the mississippi river to crest later today? >> well, our concern was going to be overtopping of the mississippi river south between st. louis and cape girardeau,
but that's gone to the side now. the new forecasts are showing that the river's going to be lower. so we're not expecting overtopping of levees below st. louis. >> all right. rene posher, he'll have to leave it at that, but thank you very much for that update. let's bring in msnbc meteorologist bonnie schneider. when you're looking at the map, where do you see the biggest trouble spots now? >> anywhere along the mississippi, but it's not just there. we have really widespread flood warnings all around because of all the rain we've had. so it's going to be a problem going forward along the mississippi as well as some rain that's moving into the panhandle of florida, into southern mississippi and alabama. we have flood warnings in georgia and the carolinas. this is a widespread problem, but i want to focus on where we have the river flood stages right now because so many are at major flooding including st. louis. here's a look at the red triangles. these indicate where we have major flooding. it's pretty widespread. as we focus along the mississippi for the immediate threat, this is the latest
information, the current stage of the mississippi is 42.26. so we're literally less than 3 inches from the crest. and as expected, around 6:00 tonight. but it's just a few more inches. we're looking at forecast crest for illinois, in chester, illinois, that would be for tomorrow and also as we go southward towards cape g girardeau, going forward into the first week of squan, it will eventually take a while for all of that water to flow into the gulf of mexico. another immediate threat is the southeast. i mentioned we still have rain. luckily it stopped in the st. louis area but still coming down into florida, alabama, georgia, so hard hit in the atlanta area. so there's more in the forecast for today. we could see another one to two inches of rain. locally three to five inches possible. and this is already a very saturated area. so the risk for flooding exists in this part of the country as
well. the southeast along the mississippi. this natural disaster is slow moving, and it's deadly. so it's something to take very seriously in the days and weeks to come. ayman? >> all right, a very difficult 12 hours still ahead for the folks there in the southeast. meteorologist bonnie schneider, thanks. still ahead, police and law enforcement officers working overtime to make sure new year's celebrations are safe around the world. an update straight ahead. announcer: it's time to make room
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in the belgian capital. meanwhile, here at home, new york police are boosting their presence ahead of tonight's celebrations in times square. and that's where we find nbc's sarah dallof this morning. so obviously big news around the world in terms of cancellations, and some very big european capitals. more than 1 million people expected to be where you're standing tonight, sarah. tell us about the security measures that are being taken by the nypd and other law enforcement agencies where you're standing. >> reporter: yeah, good morning, ayman. you know, officials do admit that this is a very different security picture we are looking at from one or two years ago. and that is based on the events of the last few weeks, isis especially. they say, however, that this is the safest city in the country, and they outlined some of the steps that are taking to keep an eye on the crowd and to keep an eye on any potential threats. first off, there's going to be some 6,000 police officers patrolling times square. there's also going to be bomb-sniffing dogs, chemical and
radiation detectors scanning this crowd of more than 1 million people. they'll be down in the subways. they'll be on the water. they'll be watching from the air overhead. and people also here encouraged to keep an eye out. you know that old see something, say something adage. more true than ever tonight as a million people gather here in times square. and there also are strict rules on when you come down here, how mobile you can be. once you're placed in a viewing pen, you can't leave. there are no bathrooms. there are no backpacks allowed. so the focus is on the ball. but at the same time, it's on security and making sure that 2016 gets off to a fun and a safe start, ayman. back to you. >> all right, msnbc's sarah dallof in times square. let's bring in msnbc contributor and executive director of the terror asymmetrics project, malcolm. malcolm, good to have you with us this new year's eve day. what are you hearing from your sources about the security threat to new year's
celebrations not just in the big cities in new york and l.a. but across the u.s.? >> well, in the united states, everyone is on high alert. we've already seen that security officials in paris, security officials in belgium, even russia. russia has closed red square for the first time. they are taking this threat very, very seriously. >> needless to say, you know, we've seen new year's eve gatherings, you know, logically would be an attractive target, particularly for some groups that want to make statements like terrorist groups such as isis and others. and they've been actively encouraging their followers to do something on this scale for months, if not for, you know, years. how do u.s. officials protect themselves or protect the public when they know such a threat like that is so asymmetrical? >> well, right now this is a matter of intelligence. law enforcement intelligence, national intelligence, and international intelligence all
coming together to try to run down any information that they have on plots. this could be chatter, you know, information of people who have got informants out in the field or it could also be an absence of information as you're coming down and ticking your clock down towards midnight. there's going to be thousands and thousands of policemen in the field, and not just in new york city, but all over the united states, and anyone who wants to carry out an act is going to be in the last steps of their operation to carry that out. and law enforcement is going to have to be vigilant, as is the public. >> given what has happened in paris throughout this year and what has happened recently in san bernardino, california, do you expect law enforcement officials to change their strategy in light of these attacks? >> i know they've already changed their strategy. certainly here in new york, i've been involved with law enforcement and law enforcement training over the last month. and at the state level and at the city level, they have completely changed their strategy on how they're going to
approach any potential threat. the first thing is they're needing the zone. they're putting a lot of law enforcement into the face of anyone who may potentially think about carrying out an attack. they're trying to ramp that up so that they actually will put them in a situation where they have to choose between going forward with a mission and failing or going forward with a mission and being caught before they ever get out the door. so law enforcement is going to be placing a lot of resources out there. that's the first thing. the second thing is they're going to be using a lot of their on-street intelligence. and that's from informants. that's from people who are in criminal and other government agencies. and they're going to be trying to collect whatever they can at this point. >> all right, msnbc contributor malcolm fannance, thank you for that. >> it's my pleasure. we're also following breaking deals in the case of the affluenza teen. his mother is being held on a million-dollar bond after being brought into the united states overnight, but her son is still in mexico. we've got an update for you. plus, another shake-up for jeb bush's campaign as he shifts
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system for these terms. see your lexus dealer. breaking news this morning. the mother of the so-called affluenza teen has officially been charged with, quote, hindering the apprehension of a felon. overnight, authorities escorted tonya couch back to the u.s. from mexico. you see her there on your screen. after she arrived in los angeles. her son, ethan, though, remains in mexico. nbc's gabe gutierrez is live in fort worth, texas. he's been following this story for us. gabe, i think a lot of folks might be asking why was tonya couch brought back to the u.s., but her son left behind in mexico? why was he not extradited along with her? >> reporter: hi there, ayman. good morning. well, that is a good question. we'll first start with some new details that the tarrant county sheriff just gave us. sheriff dee anderson telling nbc news that tonya couch will not be brought to texas today. authorities here are still
working out logistics and a plan to have her brought back to the lone star state. at some point in the coming days. as you mentioned, she is in los angeles, now in the custody of the lapd. she was transferred to lapd's custody by u.s. marshals after she was brought back from mexico. now, that is a question. ethan couch remains in mexico city. he was transferred from an immigration detention facility in guadalajara and then brought to mexico city yesterday afternoon. now, his newly retained mexican attorneys filed a motion, a writ of omparo, that basically it's a legal motion that immigration experts say could be a delaying tactic to try to take the hands -- try to take the decision over whether to extradite him from immigration agents, kick that up to the court system, to a higher court. now, the u.s. marshals service expects it could take several days, if not weeks. and so that's why he remains in
mexico. another possibility could be his age. he is a minor, 18 years old, considered a minor, and the mexican judicial system. and that may offer him several other protections different from his mother. of course, it's also possible that she did not fight her extradition, and that's why she's back here. we're still waiting to get clarification on that. but again, the breaking developments is that she is now being held on $1 million bail. a tarrant county judge set that bail here overnight. she remains right now in los angeles and is awaiting tradition back here to texas. we're still waiting on details on when that will happen. ayman? >> all right, nbc's gabe gutierrez live in texas for us. appreciate that update. to politics now on this final day of the year that's confounded the experts and frustrated the republican establishment. just 32 days before the first votes are cast in iowa, jeb bush is shaking up his campaign again. he's shifting staffers out of his miami headquarters to key
early voting states, and he's also canceling planned ad buys in iowa and in south carolina. instead, relying on his super pac to buy ad time. but the former florida governor insists all of his latest moves are not out of desperation. >> because it's not. because we have a super pac that is advertising on television at a rate that is comparable to any other campaign, if not more. having the best organization on the ground is how win. >> in a new interview this morning on npr radio, bush takes aim at republican front-runner donald trump, comparing him to president obama. >> i would argue that donald trump is, in fact, a creature of barack obama. but for barack obama, donald trump's effect would not be nearly as strong as it is. we're living in a divided country right now, and we need political leaders rather than continuing to divide us, as both president obama and donald trump do, to unite us.
>> joining me now live, betsy woodruff political reporter for "the daily beast." she's in washington, d.c., for us. betsy, good morning to you. jeb bush there ramping up his attacks on donald trump, you know, shaking up his campaign. now, despite what he says, is all of that a sign, you think, of desperation with him lingering in single digits in the national polls? >> i think it's certainly a sign of stress. and this isn't the first time that jeb's made some really dramatic campaign shifts. back this summer, he changed how the campaign was managed. then in october, he cut a number of staffers' salaries. he fired some consultants. and now, of course, we have him getting rid of ad buys, moving staff from miami to iowa which could potentially impact morale a little bit. we'll see. it's certainly indicative of the fact that jeb is worried about how this campaign is going. of course, it also reflects perhaps a decrease in confidence in the ability of television ads to change his poll numbers. jeb and his super pac have raised and spent colossal amounts of money on paid advertising, and it hasn't
really helped. his numbers have sunk since july. so shifting to the ground game might help him out. you know, it's worth a shot probably for him. >> that's what i wanted to ask you about specifically, the actual shifting of staff to the ground game in early voting states like iowa. do you think that's going to help him make at least a respectable showing in states like iowa and new hampshire? there's been a lot of talk that he's really betting on new hampshire being his state if he has a chance in this race at all. >> it certainly needs to make a durchs for him. i mean, he said on the campaign trail that he really has to win new hampshire. he suggested that if he doesn't win that state, there isn't really a path to the nomination for him. and he's probably right. so putting as many staff on the ground there as possible is not going to hurt him. it's probably helpful. and his super pac has taken some unorthodox strategies as well as as far as this outreach. they actually encourage donors to handwrite letters to individual undecided voters in new hampshire, encouraging them to vote for jeb. so jeb's campaign and his super pac are pulling out all the stops here, but his poll numbers
are so bad. he hasn't had a favorable news cycle probably in months that it's, you know, you have to be pretty optimistic in jeb world to think this is actually going to make any major shift. >> and other candidates like rubio, christie and kasich, the other establishment candidates, they're betting heavily as well on new hampshire, and there's, you know, that term that's been described as a traffic jam among the gop establishment lane for that state. do you see that playing out in a way that could favor any of those three candidates? >> it's certainly a problem for the establishment, right? and it's kind of funny because historically conservatives and tea party-friendly candidates are the ones that have this trouble. conservative voters don't coalesce behind the candidate that they really like until the tail end. and that's why the republican party nominated mccain and romney in previous elections. but now we have establishment candidates facing the exact same problem where donors and moderate republican voters can't really pick between, for instance, jeb, marco rubio and chris christie. so it's made it a little challenging for those guys to
gain traction and all the while they're squabbling, going after each other, running ads that criticize each other, trump and cruz have had just, you know, great poll numbers. and things only seem to be getting better for those two. so it almost looks like the establishment is eating its own. it's a rough time if you're a moderate republican in new hampshire or iowa. >> betsy woodruff, thanks for that and happy new year to you as well. >> you, too. he was once considered america's television dad. now after months of allegations, bill cosby is facing charges of sexual assault. the fall from gase race in just moment. capturing history for president obama. up next, a look at some of the year's best photos from the white house.
seventh year in a row. nbc's ron allen is with the president in hawaii and has a look at some of these great pictures. >> reporter: they are unique behind-the-susta behind-the-sustains close-up images of the president. serious matters inside the white house. a first daughter drops by the oval office to see her dad. the president with an aide's twin sons, mom wiping away a tear. the year-end gallery of white house photographer pete sousa, there with mr. obama day in and day out from the start. giving nbc news an exclusive first look. >> i probably take between 500 and 2,000 a day. probably about a quarter million a year. somewhere in that. >> reporter: over seven years. >> over seven years. so yeah, a lot of pictures. >> reporter: part of sousa's mission, to document history. president obama and the first family greeting pope francis.
a handshake with cuba's castro. a big smile after the iran nuclear deal. mr. obama there for vice president biden at his son's funeral. >> he is the president of the united states, but he's also a human being. i try to show his personality as best i can. there's obviously a lot of pictures with little kids in my year-end gallery. he loves babies. >> reporter: that's deputy national security adviser ben rhodes' daughter, ella, before the halloween party. have you ever seen a president lying on the floor in the oval office before with a kid in an elephant suit? >> definitely not. definitely not. >> reporter: the gallery reveals the obama administration wide-open door policy for staff children. >> and a lot of them are children of working moms. and he knows what a sacrifice they make in terms of, you know, being at work a lot. >> reporter: this year's gallery has 111 pictures. what's sousa's favorite? >> my favorite picture will hopefully be the one i make
later today or tomorrow. that's what, you know, keeps you going. you're trying to get a good picture tomorrow. >> reporter: ron allen, nbc news with the president in honolulu. >> some incredibly powerful pictures there. ron allen joins us. he's in hawaii with the president, as you just heard there. ron, some very striking images. and i thought it was very interesting when you asked peter sousa what was his favorite picture of the year, and it's always about the one that he's going to take next, not the one he's already taken. >> reporter: exactly. he's very active on instagram and social media. and you can see the pictures, by the way, at the white house website. and the most popular picture of the year was that picture of the president with rhodes' little girl in the elephant suit before the halloween party. just an amazing picture to see the president like that. but you have to remember, the white house is where the president works, but it's where he and his family live for now seven years, going on eight years or so. and those are the most striking
images i thought, were just the behind the scenes, the casual impromptu moments. a lot of kids, a lot of families passing through the oval office. a juxtaposition, this place where we think of war and peace and all these serious matters are being decided, but here's this president who's a father, of course, of two teenage girls just enjoying the moment with family. and as pete points out, a lot of the staff are working people, working women, and it's just a whole different vibe than we're used to seeing in the white house. which i thought was really interesting. regardless of what your politics might be, ayman. so yes, just a very revealing what a great job pete sousa has to follow around the president every day. you take pictures, you're in, you're out, you give him his space. and the stories he must know and certainly won't tell. >> it's amazing that pete sousa himself has stayed with the president since day one. that is a very taxing job on anyone. i know a few people who do these types of -- takes these types of pictures for people around the world, and they are very exhausting to travel with the
president. so for him to have made it seven years is quite remarkable. ron meilen liai allen live for , thank you for that candid report. more on bill cosby who's attorney was on "today" this morning and said her client is not guilty for the first time. cosby is now charged with sexual assault. >> we're focused on getting to the facts in this very old case that was once decided subpoena that the former d.a. said there was no need to go further and that it belonged in the civil courts, and now through a game of political football, in which my client's life is the center we are back again. >> cosby and his lawyers have repeatedly denied all allegations. i'm joined now by jamella, senior editor in "ebony" magazine. thank you very much for joining us. let me start with your reaction to the comments that we just heard from monique pressley in which she called the fictional court of public opinion. what do you make to that
comment? >> you know, she is his attorney. it's her responsibility to represent him and to try to fight for him. so i don't expect her to say anything that many of us would agree with on a day like today. but, you know, to say that the allegations are old, that's very troubling language to me because we have statutes of limitations for a reason. so that people can have justice and that justice isn't only guaranteed to you if you report a crime against you, say, a day after it happens or two days after it happens. there was an attempt at bringing this man to trial for this crime long ago. and just because that attempt wasn't successful does not mean that these allegations may not be true. >> implicit in her comment about the fictional court of public opinion is perhaps how the media has been covering this. do you believe, and when you look at, like, the headlines today in the "new york daily news," "he said-she said," on and on and on, do you believe that bill cosby is getting fair media coverage? has the media been fair to him? >> i think that the media has
been the media. i think that the question of fairness is very subjective at this point in history. we don't have as many reporters as we do commentators and op-ed writers. however, i think that what we're seeing reflected in the media today is the public opinion against bill cosby -- the public opinion which is largely against bill cosby. look at the cover of the "daily news." all of those "she said-she said-she said." many people are believing that at this point. we at "ebony" put the cosby cast under shattered glass. the response to that was swift, and we did not find that the majority of our readers were upset or angry at us for choosing that image. so as painful as this may be, i don't think that mr. cosby would be winning in any gal loup polls. >> as the allegations and lawsuits against bill cosby pile up, a lot of channels have stopped running or re-running old episodes of "the cosby show." i mean, still streaming services like hulu and amazon still
provide it, but do you believe that there's any way for bill cosby to recover his brand regardless of what happens in this trial, or is the cosby brand going to always be now synonymous with this? >> i think that the cosby brand will forever be complicated. he will be remembered for his philanthropy. he will be remembered to his contributions for american comedy, and he will be remembered as somebody who was accused of sexual assault or attempted sexual assault by over 50 women and possibly may be convicted in one of those cases. i think that the appropriate place for a show like -- i think the appropriate place to view "the cosby show" would be now on a dvd or via a screaming service as opposed to it airing on television in the traditional syndication way now because people can make a choice if they want to continue to support him. but there are a lot of people that would not feel comfortable just flipping through the channels and seeing somebody that's been accused of such heinous crimes. >> thank you very much for your time. >> thank you. still ahead, president obama
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i think we've got a shot to win in iowa. i think we're a little bit ahead in new hampshire. we're doing much better in nevada. and if we can win in those early states, i think we have a path toward victory. >> that was a raspy-voiced democratic candidate senator bernie sanders speaking minutes ago at a town hall meeting in knoxville, iowa. that town hall is still in progress. but the senator isn't the only presidential candidate who's on the campaign trail today. and tonight, his campaign says he'll host a new year's eve party in des moines. if you're in the area, this is your invitation to attend, posted on sanders' campaign website.
it is open to all, free and open to the public, but you must rsvp on the website. meantime, hillary clinton's campaign is readying for the release of the latest batch of e-mails frommer had private server during her time as secretary of state. the state department is scheduled to release those e-mails this afternoon. joining me live now, democratic strategist, chris cofinas and joe watkins, a former white house aide for president george h.w. bush. gentlemen, happy new year to you. thank you very much for joining us. >> happy new year to you. >> thank you. let's start with you, chris, if i may. do you think the clinton campaign is holding its breath today, or are they pretty confident, you think, based on past releases that nothing serious is going to emerge out of this e-mail dump, so to speak? >> well, i imagine they're waiting to see, but, you know, based on everything that's come out, i don't think, you know, there's anything that's been really, you know, shocking or that significant. you know, listen, what's going to end up happening is what we already know. republicans will continue to
criticize, and that's just, you know, part of the game. but in terms of how much of an issue this is going to be in 2016, it's not going to be, i think, that significant. >> joe, we heard bernie sanders in one of the debates talk about how the american public was sick and tired of hillary clinton's e-mail drama, so to speak. even when she's called the steady drip, drip of e-mails, it really hasn't hurt her so far. do you agree with bernie sanders that folks out there are just tired of her e-mails? >> i think so for the most part. i don't think it's going to lose her any votes. i don't think it's going to hurt her at all in the polls. the process ought to just follow out the way it's supposed to follow out. it ought not be a big political issue. i think the candidates ought to stick to the issues that are important to the american people going forward, especially in this 2016 presidential cycle. >> chris, i want to play you a sound bite, but let me set it up for you real quick. and that is obviously everyone's expecting bill clinton to campaign for his wife come monday in new hampshire. but before i ask you about that,
let me play you what donald trump had to say in his latest attack on the clintons yesterday. take a listen. >> i love the concept. i love, love, love having a woman president. can't be her. she's horrible. she's horrible. by the way, low energy can be applied to hillary. i just don't like to use the same thing twice on one of my enemies, right? because i consider them enemies. we view this as war. don't we view this as war? it's war. it's war. i had to hit her back, so i hit her back and i talked about her husband and the abuse of women and the tremendous abuse. no, it's tremendous abuse. i mean, you look at it, it's tremendous abuse. >> chris, do you think bill clinton will take donald trump's bait and go after trump? >> i don't think so. and nor should he. i mean, the reality is, you know, donald trump is the second person in the country that suffers from affluenza. i mean, everything that comes out of his mouth and every decision he makes is questionable because of who he
is and how much money he has. so why engage with someone like that? it's not worth it. i mean, the strategy for the clinton campaign is what's been working. focus on the issues. focus on the policy. focus on the solutions. whatpolicy, the solutions. what makes her a credible and significant candidate. donald trump has become a media caricature. he has milked it to great effect. how that plays out in 2016, i don't think it will play out very successfully for him. >> sorry, we are out of time. we have to leave it at that. once again, happy new year to you both. up next, breaking news on a terrorist in new york state. ife could protect you from diabetes? what if one sit-up could prevent heart disease? one. wishful thinking, right? but there is one step you can take to help prevent another serious disease. pneumococcal pneumonia. if you are 50 or older, one dose of the prevnar 13® vaccine can help protect you from pneumococcal pneumonia, an illness that can cause coughing, chest pain, difficulty breathing, and may even put you in the hospital. even if you have already been vaccinated
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we want to bring you breaking news we are just getting in. the fbi says an isis supporter is under arrest for allegedly planning new year's eve attack in rochester, new york. msnbc's cal perry is following this story and joins us live with more. >> so it's an arrest that happened yesterday and we understand the person has
already appeared in front of a judge. we are talking about emanuel luchman, 25 years old, rochester, new york. as you mentioned, planning an attack on new year's eve as we understand from the fbi. this was going to be an attack on a bar slash restaurant. unclear what the attack was going to be. initially the fbi said he was planning a bombing. we then understand he went to walmart and bought a number of things including a machete. unclear sort of how vicious that attack was going to be. one of the more disturbing elements to this story and this coming from the fbi, from their official complaint, he's been charged with providing material support to isil, excuse me, i will read this directly from the fbi report, and again, the disturbing thing here is that he was in touch as the fbi says with an overseas contact. so there was some communication going back and forth with someone overseas. we don't know the location, be it syria, iraq, wherever in the middle east, but we do know he was in touch with somebody overseas which does leave us to believe it was a bit worse than the home-grown plot we are used
to seeing. >> cal perry with that update on a day where security has already been heightened. appreciate that. that does it for this hour of "msnbc live." frances rivera is up next. she'll have much more on this terror arrest as security remains tight for new year's eve celebrations across the world. we thought we'd be ready. but demand for our cocktail bitters was huge.
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the countdown is on. 12 hours until it is 2016 here in new york city. good to be with you. i'm frances rivera. at this hour, the new year is getting under way in bangkok, thailand. revelers are celebrating under heavy security just six months after a deadly bombing that killed 20 people. and we are just an hour into 2016 in hong kong, where they do
not do things small. victoria harbor lit up by fireworks, some launched from the rooftops and skyscrapers. in australia they welcomed the new year with a spectacular fireworks display over the famed harbor and opera house in sydney. closer to home, a live look at times square in new york city, where security preps are in place for tonight's celebration. nearly 6,000 nypd officers will keep a close eye on the one million people who are expected tonight. we do have breaking news into msnbc at this hour. a man from rochester, new york has been arrested and charged with allegedly plotting a new year's eve attack in the name of isis. nbc's sarah dallof is in times square as we are getting the new information here. tell us a little more about the
details and his plan i believe to attack at a bar in rochester? >> reporter: yeah. that is correct. authorities arrested emanuel lechman, 25 years old, lives in rochester, for allegedly planning an armed attack in rochester, they are calling it a bar/restaurant. they say he was in communications with somebody overseas, discussing the plans and the details of the attack. he has been arrested. we understand he has already appeared in front of a judge. this really highlights a lot of the concerns that authorities have for new year's eve, while there are celebrations and large crowd gatherings, security in times square, they are saying it is tighter than ever. you mentioned 6,000 police officers patrolling on the ground, in the water and from the air. we also have bomb-sniffing dogs,