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and is scheduled to make a second stop in that state later today. clinton will be looking to provide his wife a boost in a state where she has trailed bernie sanders in recent polls. just hours ago the republican front runner, donald trump, took straight aim at hillary clinton and her foreign policy in that tv ad we mentioned that he placed up this morning. also, trump continued to target both bill and hillary clinton over the former president's past indiscretions. >> i don't really care about monica lewinsky other than i think that hillary was an enabler and a lot of things happened that were obviously very seedy. he was impeached, for heaven's sake. >> joining me now from nashua, nbc's kristin welker. at this point the clintons have not responded to donald trump. some of their supporters certainly have showing tape of donald trump in the past supporting bill clinton, saying that the indiscretions that were made very public, monica
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lewinsky, mean nothing. now we are seeing a change of tune but the headlines still remains, bill clinton on the campaign trail starting today. >> reporter: that's right. he's on the campaign trail amidst that barrage of criticism. i don't think you are going to see clinton campaign change that tactic as of right now. i'm told there's not going to be a big tit for tat with donald trump over what is a very personal issue and of course that is quite frankly the very last thing that secretary hillary clinton wants to be talking about. instead in terms of what we're going to hear from bill clinton today, i just got a little bit of guidance from one of his aides, tamron. it reads, "president clinton will focus on why he thinks hillary clinton is the candidate best qualified to be president. he of course has the advantage of both knowing her very well and understanding what the job entails." now there are pros and cons when it comes to former president bill clinton. in addition to this criticism by donald trump, of course in 2008 he had a number of missteps. we spent a lot of time talking about that. the clinton campaign though is confident that he is the best
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surrogate to defend his wife. secretary hillary clinton, her tactic, she's going to continue to stay above the fray but she's going to criticize donald trump on his controversial comments, particularly his call to ban all muslims from coming in to the united states. we've seen her deploy this tactic in recent days and recent weeks. take a listen to what she had to say yesterday while here in new hampshire. >> when you hear all of this rhetoric attacking muslims and muslim-americans, it's not only shameful and offensive, which it is, it is counterproductive and dangerous, which it is as well. >> reporter: when it comes to the politics, tamron, they are of course incredibly leeted here in new hampshire. it is a jump ball. hillary clinton, bernie sanders locked in a very tight race. bernie sanders leading in a number of polls. he's from neighboring vermont, of course he's quite popular here. but this is a state that has a special relationship with the clintons as well. of course secretary hillary
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clinton revived her candidacy in 2008 here in new hampshire and bill clinton declared that he was the comeback kid here. that's why he's campaigning here. hillary clinton will be stumping in critical iowa later today. >> kristin, thank you. tonight donald trump will hold a rally also in massachusetts, in lowell about 20 miles away from bill clinton's event in new hampshire. trump continues to hold a big lead in the granite state leading ted cruz by nearly 20 points in recent polls. as we mentioned earlier, trump is looking to seal the deal with his first tv ads which will hit the airwaves in both new hampshire and iowa starting tomorrow. let's bring in msnbc political correspondent and host steve kornacki here with a deeper look at those new ads. chuck todd this morning questioned the strategy of this ad, much of it is the message we've heard repeatedly from donald trump. chuck asked the question, was it necessary to go it this way? >> it's really interesting, too, when you think about
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presidential campaigns, the idea of somebody launching ads getting this much attention. but obviously it is fact that donald trump has led in the polls pretty much for five or six months and has spent before this ad launch about $217,000 on this campaign. now he's up with this new ad airing in iowa and new hampshire. whether you think it is good or bad strategy, what's noteworthy is it really is a 30-second encae enca encapsulation. >> politicians can pretend it is something else but donald trump calls it radical islamic terrorism. that's why he's calling for a temporary shutdown of muslims entering the united states until we can figure out what's going on. he'll quickly cut the head off isis and take their oil. and he'll stop illegal immigration by building a wall
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on our southern border that mexico will pay for. >> we will make america great again! >> you see it's not just what he is saying, though his most controversial proposal in there to temporarily ban muslims from entering the united states, is in the ad. he says stopping that muslims from coming in until we figure out what's going on. word for word what donald trump has been saying on the stump. now the context for this, as you say, you just put in the poll there, new hampshire, one of the states where this is airing, trump is leading in the polls right now but there's a lot of action going on underneath him there in new hampshire. rubio, bush, kasich, christie, they're campaigning heavily in the state, spending heavily in the state. the largest newspaper in the state, "the union leader," it is very much anti-trump. in iowa he's fallen into second place behind ted cruz in iowa. while the national picture looks
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very favorable to donald trump when you take those national polls, he's got a little more trouble right now in those early states. now about six months into this campaign, $2 million a week, $1 million in each state, iowa and new hampshire. see what he gets for it. >> a lot of digest at the beginning of the year and i don't want to overrun people with a lot of numbers but certainly this nbc news survey monkey poll about who's angry and why has been a great topic of conversation since it was revealed yesterday. pointing out that a lot of women voters are described as angry as well right now and not that the typical description which was the angry white male who trump seems to get a lot of support from. >> i think that word anger. this is one of tfof the findingm this poll. half of all americans basically are angrier now about current events than a year ago. there is a bit of a partisan divide on that question if you break it down between democrats and republicans. 61% of republicans in fact say that describes them, ang rier nw
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about the news than a year ago. 40% of democrats. certainly you look at the trump message, think about the ad we just played, think about the topics he's mentioned, topics that have very much been in the news this year, terrorism, immigration. the tone of the ads is certainly something he's tapping into. let me bring in paul stein houauser. thank you for joining us. i want to pick up on what steve showed, these numbers from the nbc survey monkey poll about the angry voter. the number of republicans, 61% i believe it was. we can show it again who expressed themselves as angry. feeling as if somehow they've gotten the short end of the stick. how does that relate in new hampshire from what you know about the voters in that state? >> there are a lot of new hampshire republicans who are
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upset, anxious, angry, about current events, whether it's a blue collar conservative who has not made any economic gains during barack obama's presidency, or whether it's someone concerned about say the rise of isis, concerns about terrorism and so forth. there is a lot to make republicans angry and you seeing candidates not just donald trump but chris christie, marco rubio and so forth trying to figure out a way to tap into that to turn that anger into voter enthusiasm, positive energy for their particular candidacies. >> to your point the positive energy, it is hard to find the positive message when you are talking about people who somehow feel they are wrong. i'm sure that dante, you've heard a lot of people mention the whole donald trump "make america great again," what does that mean especially when you compare it with minorities? african-american and hispanic voters who were not according to
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this poll as angry, and certainly have a higher unemployment rate and other issues in the community policing and, quite naturally, concerns about isis because we're americans, too. >> right. i think right now, what all these candidates are focusing on are not national polls but the electorates in particular places, iowa, new hampshire, where of course you find far w fewer minority voters and especially so among the republican electorate. they're trying to find ways to reach out to blue collar white voters in places like manchester but also cities around new hampshire, for example. >> paul, dante makes a great point, it is about nuance. chuck todd pointed out, for example, donald trump's choice to talk about bill clinton's indiscretions, he is not looking at least at the general election voter. he is still very much honed in on these areas where you have people who will still certainly want to talk about it and believe that that is trump hitting the clintons hard in
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whatever way he can. >> yeah. i think donald trump is trying to do two things by going after bill clinton. a, trying to kind of solidify his base of blue collar republicans who are angry and also who are not friends of bill or hillary clinton. they see this as just another example of the clintons playing by their own rules, and also by going after bill and hillary clinton, he's looking ahead to the general election. he's almost saying i many a the republican nominee to a degree and he is already looking ahead to the battle he hopes he'll have with hillary clinton after the primaries are over. >> it is an interesting battle, paul, over the weekend i'm sure you saw the video and have seen it for some time of donald trump having hillary and bill clinton at his wedding. also on tape saying that essentially the allegations and the confirmed affair with monica lewinsky were things that were nonsense issues and now just a few years later, the potential that he could face off with hillary clinton is a far more serious and dubious thing to donald trump. >> i asked donald trump about
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that the last time he spoke with us. he said, listen, in those days -- i'm a businessman. i need to get along with everybody. in those days i was trying to get along with politicians on both sides of the aisle, democrats and republicans. remember, it was just about eight years ago that donald trump said that bill clinton's past sexual affairs, he said they were not a big deal at all. he's very much changed his tune now obviously. he's in a battle for the presidency. >> paul and dante, thank you both. developing now, so-called militia members are still held up at a federal building in oregon in day three of that armed standoff. protesters vow to remain even as two ranchers at the center of the controversy don't want their support. breaking news this hour, as we mentioned, bill clinton just moments away from his first solo event of the campaign season. when bill clinton starts speaking we will bring that event to you live out of new hampshire. ♪
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welcome back. developing this morning -- the leader of an armed band of protesters locked in a government standoff in oregon is asking for more people to join their cause as the clash between citizen activists and the federal government reaches a fever rich. ammon bundy, son of cliven bundy, the nevada ramplger who had his own standoff with the federal government in 2014 says he's told several local politicians are being intimidated by the fbi and posted a facebook video overnight asking for help. the protesters took over that empty federal headquarters of the national wildlife refuge saturday. that's in a remote part of oregon after attending a rally in support of two ranchers who have been ordered back to prison for setting fires that spread to federal land. bundy told natalie morales this morning on the "today" show there would be no violence until
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it "comes our way because the government wants their building back." he says they are there to defend the people and their land. >> we have a federal government who is coming down into the states without authorization from the people, without constitution authority, and they are taking the land and resources from the people because that's where wealth is generated. it's putting the people in economic depression. and the people are to the point where they have to stand. >> meantime, the two ranchers who sparked the initial protest are set to report to prison today. msnbc's scott cohn joins us live from princeton, oregon. these two ranchers have said that they essentially don't want the support of this so-called armed militia here. so it is interesting how this is all playing out now, where will this go? >> reporter: well, exactly, tamron. it is becoming very clear that this is really not about divide
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and a steve hammons, the father and son term whose attorney has disavowed the actions of the protesters. this is a long struggle with federal control of public lands. but for all the talk about armed standoffs, the rhetoric thus far, as you heard earlier from ammon bundy is almost conciliatory. here's the statement from the fbi which is the lead federal agency here. the lead agency in all of law enforcement. the fbi is working with the harney county sheriff's office, oregon state police and other local and state law enforcement agencies to bring a peaceful resolution to this situation here at the national wildlife refuge." but it is not clear how the fbi hopes to do that. they're not giving any elaboration on what their tactics may be. the protesters say they're prepared to be here literally for years. so we'll see how it all plays out. tamron? >> scott, thank you. joining me now, ryan lints has
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studied this militia movement and reported about the bundy standoff in 2014. scott made the point if the two ranchers who reportedly inspired all of this don't want the support of these people who have identified themselves as patrio patriots, what is the true goal here for these people who are still held up inside? >> well, i think in every way this is a continuation of the bundy issue. in 2014 when the federal government backed down on enforcing a u.s. district court order when the bundies bolstered by militia threatened violence, this -- they felt they won. they felt that the federal government had backed down. they felt they had an answer to dealing with the federal government and that was to come heavily armed, to encamp and do what they must to send a message. so this is about the bundies. ammon and ryan are there leading this in every which way.
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and from what we understand this wasn't part of the planned protest on saturday. >> ryan, i know you've studied these patriot organizations, these militia movements. i think numbers were, this is the most recorded period of time during president obama's term that we've seen this spike in 2012 and on with these groups who identify themselves as such. but we have this new poll out looking at the presidential race and how many people describe themselves as angry, does this play at all into some of the discourse that we've seen on the campaign trail from some candidates? >> well, in the last few years we've seen sort of a -- margins to mainstream movement of this type of rhetoric, such that now we have candidates who have taken on these issues directly. talked about them directly. this is not really new. the issues or conspiracy theories that have come from the radical right have made their way into the political mainstream before. the gop in iowa for example
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talking about agenda 21, this bizarre conspiracy theory about the united nations. i think that which way it goes is up for debate but i think the political discussion in the mainstream and populist uprising that seems to be happening is very much talking to one another. >> obviously the fear you have, the fbi saying that they hope that this will end peacefully. but when you have armed individuals who are saying now that they are willing to stay there as long as it takes and that they essentially will now back down from confrontation, that brings great worry about the lives and safety of the federal agents and authorities in that area, as well as those individuals who have chosen to be locked up inside there. >> absolutely. the fact that ammon and ryan bundy have gone there and said as media have reported that they're willing to be killed or kill. it creates a very dangerous situation for law enforcement and also additionally put the
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hammonds in a difficult situation. it is a mess all around. >> thank you, ryan. now to the breaking news, former president bill clinton for a sfirst solo campaign appearance of the year. let's take that listen. >> first of all, give daniel a hand. i thought he did a great job. thank him for his work. thank you president lucille jordan for welcoming me back to the community college here at na nashua. thank you for singing the national anthem and getting us off to a good start. mayor, you reminded me right before we came out that you were mayor of nashua when i ran for president. that's got to be a good omen.
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but i'm glad you're back again. senator, all the members of the legislature, thank you for being here. so many of my old friends, some new people here, people of all ages and backgrounds. sometimes i follow this debate in the presidential elections, especially when i watch the other guys debating, and i think, you know, i don't fit anymore. first of all, i'm a happy grandfather, i'm not mad at anybody. and secondly, i thought our elections were supposed to be a job interview. and believe me, it's importa important -- a lot of elections are determined by just what they're about. i think this election is about
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restoring broadly shared prosperity, rebuilding a middle class, giving kids the american dream back, i think it's about these issues that, as hillary always says, keep americans up at night. new hampshire has one of the most difficult problems in the country with the opiate addictions, which in many places is morphing into heroin addiction because the heroin growing in the sierra madre, poppies there in mexico, harvested by preteens, are now cheaper on the street in america than heroin is and prescription drugs. i thought the governor did a great thing by make iing help m widely available. i spent a lot of time on this.
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three children -- three children of friends of mine, my personal friends -- have died who were not addicted just because they drank a few beers or drank a little wine, and were told pop this pill, it will give you a buzz. it will also kill a part of your brain that tells your body to breathe while you're sleeping. this is a very big deal. i was proud that hillary was the first person to speak up on it propose a 10 million plan to deal with it. our foundation works very hard to get the first naval spray injection of narcan available and the net effect will be to save about $40 a dose on giving it. now this is a really big deal. we need it on every college campus and in every dorm, in every police department, everywhere. it is literally a miracle drug.
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and so there are lots of issues like that. people who are dealing with families with alzheimer's and all the attendant consequences that you don't have any paid family leave. so it is about who can understand that. we need broadly inclusive economics but we need inclusive social policies, too, that recognize that as time goes on, life works out differently for different people. and if you got one country we should try to allow everybody to live as long as and well as they can and to do it together. the third thing the election is about is how we're going to keep america safe and still keep it america. preserve our individual liberties and our reputation for being an open country, our belief in diversity and our understanding that one of our
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great meal tickets in the next 20 years is going to be there's somebody here from everywhere else. the other day, there was a story in the "new york daily news," i think, about an immigrant who had come here from yemen 12 years ago. this happened right after the tragedy in san bernardino. and all of this time he's been trying to get his wife and four kids here and he's working at one of these quick stop places in new york city and two robbers come in with pistols and say empty cash register. and he was terrified. he opened the cash register, put you the money in his hand, according to the news story, and looked at him and said this is not my money and it's not yours and he slapped at the gun hand of the person standing closest to him. the gun goes off, misses him by a few inches. the bullet goes in to the counter right by him. then these gunmen, praise god,
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were not entirely stupid. they realized they just fired a weapon in broad daylight in new york city. so they ran out of the store. he goes next door, calls the police. waits and makes a police report. his boss is so thrilled that he gives him the afternoon off. he went home and pulled out his prayer map and prayed thanks that his life was spared and hoped that his family would some day be able to join him. that guy is more representative of most muslims in america. yesterday, i read a story about kenya which is basically 85% christian, 15% muslim, but the further north you go, the more muslim it gets. and these christians were riding on a bus and we worked there, my foundation does. i'll make full disclosure, i
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like the place. and they were stopped by al shabaab terrorists. and they said we want to separate the muslims and the christians because obviously you're going to kill them. they saw it coming. so the muslims went around giving headscarfs to the christian women and otherwise trying to disguise them and they risked their lives to save the christian minority. it is very important that we stand against terrorists who try to abuse religion for any purpose and any religion to murder people. it's important that we not be chumps when we decide what security provisions should be employed to check people's background. but we don't want to run away from the place we've been. america is the place that welcomes all people who are willing to treat other people the way they'd like to be treated, willing to follow the law, willing to live in a common
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community. so you have to have inclusive economics, inclusive social policy. then we got to have politics that are inclusive enough to actually get something done. and you know, that means we're going to have to do something. we need all this dark money. i think it is crazy, even the supreme court says that billionaires can give all the money they want to politics. you ought not to be able to give it in secret. and we need some political reform in this country that deals with that. and we need to recognize something that has received almost no attention in this election, which is that in all probability, the next president of the united states will make between one and three appointments to the united states supreme court. and i know who i want to be on there. finally, we have played a lot of progress under president obama
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on the environment. saving the auto industry. advances for lgbt rights. trying to work out the extreme difficulties involved in supporting immigration reform but not letting anybody just show up at the border and jump ahead of everybody else who's been waiting in lines for years. he's worked through a lot of that, and a lot of it, especially in the environment and health care, will be reversed if you get a republican congress and a republican president. and we need to stop that. so if that's what the election is about, having inclusive prosperity, inclusive social policy, more inclusive politics, and stop us from going in reverse at the very moment when we're the appropriate age to grow together, who's the best
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person to do it? >> hillary! >> look, she's here speaking for herself. i won't go through all the details of her plan but i have reviewed it. [ laughter ] >> i think it is the plan which offers the best chance to have the most rapid movement to more broadly shared prosperity. let me remind you, we now two years ago, in late 2014, about a year and three months ago, we celebrated a 10th anniversary of my library opening in arkansas. some of you were there. so anyway, the reporter just asked me out of the blue, what are you most proud of? what's the most important thing you did? and i don't think i've even brought it in here but i happen to have a little chart that showed that as compared with president reagan's term, which was the best trickle-down time
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because that's the first time we'd ever basically spent more money and cut taxes at the same time, in peace time, to that extent. we had 50% more jobs. but the most important thing was 100 times as many people worked their way from poverty in to the middle class. they worked their way. and it was fascinating. the top 5% actually did slightly better under president reagan than me. everybody else did better in the 1990s. the 60% to 80% people, by one-third better. 30%. the ones in the middle, 70% better. 20% to 40% earners, more than twice as much income growth. listen to this.
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bottom 20%, their incomes increased .7%. in the 1980s, had 23.6% in the 1990s. we grew together. we can do this. so i think what hillary wants to do with creating jobs in a clean energy economy, i think this paris agreement was great, by the way. it is going to open up millions of new jobs for america. with modernized infrastructure, with more research, with making sure the banking rules don't cost too much to make small business loans, and understanding we can do that without imperiling the heart of dodd-frank. all those things are really important. paul krugman, the leading progressive economist in our country, said hillary, of all the candidates running, had the toughest program to ensure that we wouldn't repeat the abuses of
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the past. and so i think those are good programs. i think what she's offered on the prescription drug abuse and heroin problem, on the alzheimer's issue, on many other health issues that we face are good. i think it is obvious that now we got 90% of our people insured, we got to keep going the rest of the way. but i want to say to you, there's a story in the paper today about how young people are leading the way this year in increasing enrollment in the health care plans. more than 2 million of them. and if that happens, the spike we had in premiums this year will not be repeated next year because what happens is, if you try to drive everybody away, especially in the states that didn't take the medicaid expansion, you get people who are my age and we spend more money on health care than
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younger people do. so the more age mix we've got, more your premiums will stay down. so i like her plans there. i like the fact that in an uncertain world where borders look more like nets than walls, then nobody's in total control, she understands what it takes to keep our country as safe as possible, to stop big, bad things from happening and make as many good things happen as possible. when she was secretary of state, she negotiated those sanctions on iran and unbelievably got russia and china to sign off on it. i didn't think she could do that. and they made a difference. even to people that don't like the iranian nuclear deal agreed the sanctions were good. the only thing that has survived the estrangement of the united states and russia from our attempt to do better is something called a new start treaty negotiated by hillary's
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state department, which makes us much safer from the prospect of an accidental or intentional nuclear exchange. in a dangerous world, i think that's a pretty good deal. one of the things that i love, because you got to make more friends all along, too. the pepfar problem which funds our efforts against aids, tb and malaria, was saving 1.7 million lives with the money we were spending on it when hillary took office. when she left with the same amount of money, by buying generic drugs we were saving three times as many lives. 5.4 million. that's unbelievable. 5.4 million. this will never be a headline at
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election because nobody knows the names of any of those 3.4 million people. principlely in africa but not primarily. but i want to just close by something that's personal to me. every presidential election people run and believe it or not -- it's kind of scary this year -- believe it or not, most everybody tries to do what they say they're going to do when they're running. they're telling you what they belie believe. and so you got to take them
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seriously. but you also have to take seriously whether they have any chance of doing what they say they're going to do or any record of doing it. so this is what i want to say. things that a lot of you may not know. when we met, it will soon be 45 years ago in a couple of months when we met, we fell if lon lov. i thought she wals ts the most amazing person, back then women in law school were a distinct minority. there she was at yale law school. she could have written her ticket to go anywhere she warranted. all she was really interested in was providing legal services to poor people. when we got out she could have gone to work, big law firm, get a fancy clerkship. she took a job at the children's defense fund. it was a nice story in the press
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you may have seen in the last several days talking about a trip she took to alabama to see if these so-called tax exempt private schools were really just segregation academies and therefore not entitled to the tax exemption. i valued even more the trip she took to south carolina to see why so many african-american children were being held in prisons. it is hard to remember 40 years ago what things were like. she hadn't been elected to anything. but everything she touched she made better. then she came over to arkansas to be with me and we were teaching in the law school and she started the first legal aid clinic we ever had. she used to get me to drive her out to see her clients and stuff. and there -- i'll never forget the day she was supposed to go actually formally get the acceptance of the legal system in this town where the university is for her running
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legal aid. we had to go before the judge who was in charge. he was a crusty old guy who wore wire-rimmed glasses and bowties and looked over those glasses at you like there was something wrong with you, he just helicopter figured it out yet. hillary's standing there. he says to her -- i remember this like yesterday. he said, you know, i don't like legal aid very much. and i don't like lady lawyers very much. so help me god, he used that phrase. within six months she changed his opinion on both things. she hadn't been elected to anything. i get elected governor, we're if h in little rock and we had been just killed by some of the economic developments that we faced and one day hillary walked in and said, you know, we got all these poor families, many of
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their parents have never had any education and they're doing their best, and i just read about a program in israel called hippie, believe it or not. home instruction program for preschool youngsters. it was set up to teach parents to be their kids' first teachers. even if they didn't have any education themselves. for immigrant kids coming in to israel who didn't speak hebrew or english. she said i think it would really work in the mississippi delta. and in the ozark mountains which were then our version of appalachia. and i said, well, it sounds interesting but what are you going to do? she said i just called the woman that started the program and she'll be here in ten days and we're going to set one up. before you knew it, there were hippie programs in more than 25 states. still the largest area. there are thousands of kids before there was any talk of universal preschool or quality
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child care standards or anything, thousands of kids got off to a better start in life because she made one phone call and followed through. and she hadn't been elected to anything. she was just a changemaker. then i put her in charge of the education standards movement in our state at a time when a national expert said we had the worse wo school system in america in arkansas. when i came here running for president, nine years later, the same guy said that arkansas and south carolina had the most improved schools in america. she did that. and she hadn't been elected to anything. and so we go to the white house. we try to pass health care reform. we don't have 60 votes in the senate. she didn't give up. she kept working with senator kennedy and others an we passed the children's health insurance program. it was -- there are 12 million kids insured under that program now. it was the biggest expansion of
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health care between medicare and the passage of the affordable care act under president obama. and then she did another thing, even better than getting china and russia to sign off on the iran sanctions. she got the republican house leader, tom delay, who was the most -- he was the ted cruz of the pre-tea party era. and he disliked me i think more than anybody else in congress. so she comes in to see me one day. she says i found it, i found it. i said what? she said, i found the human streak in tom delay. and she meant it as a compliment. i said what do you mean? she said he is an adoptive parent. she said, you know, bill, the foster care system is totally overloaded. we're not moving enough kids into adoption. these kids are aging out of
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foster care with nowhere to go, no support, no guarantee of a college education, no guarantee of job training, what are they going to do? we got to get adoptions up. and because congressman delay had adopted children, he understood it and he helped her and i think the only time he ever darkened the door of my administration was to come to the bill signing of the bill that he and hillary did together that increased adoptions out of foster care by 65% before i left office. and then, after i left the white house, i tried to do what i learned from her to do. start with where you are and get something done, make something happen. she's a senator.
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she was the first new york senator to ever serve on the armed services committee. this is highly relevant today. young officer walked up to me in the capitol one day when i was there testifying on health care through my foundation. he said mr. president, you don't know me but i represent the pentagon on capitol hill and i just want you to know that we think your wife knows more about our issues and about the challenges military families are facing than any member of the senate or the house and either party. it's astonishing what she's done on that committee. and then -- last year, last summer i was at a party totally nonpolitical event. and a man i didn't know came up to me and he said, you don't know me because i wasn't in government when you were there but i was the british secretary of state for northern ireland. and you remember that in 2010 we
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almost lost the irish peace process. i said yeah, i remember. this is the 20th anniversary of the cease-fire we got in northern ireland so i been celebrating it this year. so he said, i was desperate. we were at loggerheads. the thing was about to come apart and i called hillary. i said hillary, i know you don't have any responsibility for this now but you're the only person who can fix it. because of what you and your husband did. he said all i know is, 36 hours later everybody was back at the table, we solved the problem and we kept it going. he said i'm telling you, she did that for a lot of people and some of us would like to help her back. and so -- why am i telling you this. because of this. when i was president, it made a
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big impact on me because of what you did for me. that i was only the second president of a small state to become president. first was franklin pierce. and so i started pretty much with franklin pierce reading everything i could in those eight years about my less well known predecessors. and here's what i concluded. almost everybody goes in to the white house with the best of intentions. whether they succeed or not depends upon whether their instincts, their experience, their knowledge, and their psychological make-up fits the ti time. franklin pierce's only child was killed in a railroad accident
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when he was on the way to become president. he and his wife were depressed for a year and the country was coming apart at the seams anyway. i think there are almost no circumstances under which he could have succeeded. but he had a great career in the mexican war and he had a good career in congress, he was a good governor here. the times took him out. abraham lincoln, had he governed in the 1950s, might never have been regarded as a great president because he was gripped by crippling depression. it was only in the blood of the civil war thatsome somehow he burn burned through his own feelings and absorbed the grief of the nation and let his depression go. i spent a lot of time thinking about this. i do not believe in my lifetime anybody has run for this job at
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a moment of great importance who was better qualified by knowledge, experience, and temperament to do what needs to be done now to restore prosperity, to deal with these human issues, to make us as safe as possible. thank you very much and god bless you. >> there you have it, bill clinton's first solo appearance on the campaign trail. this cycle for his wife, hillary clinton, in nashua. let's bring in nbc political director, moderator of "meet the press." chu chuck, this event much talked about, what's your first impression? >> well, i did not expect franklin pierce to be used to make the case for hillary clinton for president there. look, this was -- you could tell the president hadn't been campaigning in a while. this was the guy that did really well at the convention in 2012 telling a long story about president obama and the economic recession that was so effective
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then. here, look, he was giving a new hampshire speech. sometimes we have to remember we're dipping in as a national audience. is he going old school with this. a new hampshire speech, the new hampshire the new hampshire electorate, they expect a longer conversation, they expect a more professorial tone to it. this is the opposite of a trump event, right? he gets around. i have a feeling that you will see the stump speech get a little quicker, little shorter, but she doesn't have anybody telling the personal story. and chelsea doesn't do it very often. he can do that so well and she needs him to be on the trail doing those things. >> he did it in a seamless way today in that he talked about the personal side of their relationship. >> that's where it was the most effective was on the personal. >> describing this young woman who could write her ticket anywhere and deciding to take a different journey, a journey of sacrifice for people.
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>> no, no, it is the most compelling part of the narrative. it is what he can bring, i think bring to this campaign for her -- >> that she doesn't do for herself. >> most people aren't good talking about themselves. but there's this veneer to her that sometimes you feel like you can't penetrate. bill is much better at allowing that in. that's his strength. but this was, look, this was -- there were some parts of this, it was low key and there were some parts that were quintessential bill clinton, where's he going with this. >> most people are not good at talking about themselves but we know one person on the campaign trail that's masterful at it, donald trump. so let's talk real here. people will compare these two men even though we should be looking at the two people running for president, the two front-runners here. he made a point about being inclusive at the top of the speech, even referencing muslims. we know donald trump's new ads are highlighting his stance on immigration and muslims. he also at the end talked about people making promises of things
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that they simply cannot achieve, donald trump's ad talks about this wall that he's going to build that mexico is going to pay for. again, clinton not naming trump but i don't think it takes a genius -- >> it was very subtle but i did, look, i think -- here's my guess at what happened. somebody went to him and said hey, we don't want you to proactively be point-counterpoint with donald trump today. the media is desperately going to be looking for anything so be careful with what you say, mr. president, because anything is going to be grabbed as we want to make this trump v clinton. i don't think they want that. i think the clinton campaign has made that decision while they think in the long run, trump's good for them, they don't want to have the fight now. >> this morning i woke up to listening to you about trump and this strategy of going after bill clinton and past allegations regarding affairs. you said that this is really not about the general election. that is still trump focused on those angry white primary voters.
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>> i think it's about a couple things. it's about inoculating himself. some are trying to say trump is nothing but a secret clinton supporter. i think he does need to inoculate himself, no, no, i know how to take on the clintons and i'm serious about it. message two is hey, i'm already -- >> i'm in the room. >> she's taking me on because she fears me. that's his message. so it allows everybody else to look like they are smaller than him. i think it's a very strategic -- >> andrea mitchell is with bill clinton. let's listen in. >> i love this place. >> reporter: how did you feel about the kind of campaign donald trump is running, sir? >> the republicans will have to decide who will be nominated. how i feel is only relevant -- we are trying to win a primary. >> thank you. >> reporter: president clinton -- >> reporter: sorry.
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>> sorry, guys, no questions. >> reporter: can hillary win this one? >> sure. win here? sure. but it's going to be hard. >> reporter: what's your advice? >> work hard. that's all you can do. no candidate who ever borders new hampshire ever lost a primary here but i think she can. they have been good to us. we worked hard. >> andrea mitchell on the rope line, chuck todd -- >> love andrea on the rope line. love it. >> got some answers from bill clinton, can she win. >> what's the most important thing? she hit the trump question. we all know and we know, trust me, the clinton campaign, clinton veterans will know this, there is nothing they feared more when he was president than the rope line because bill loves
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to answer questions. he will listen to the shouting questions. he's not always so disciplined. >> but his answers. >> somebody got to him and said whatever you do, do not make this a trump story and guess what he didn't do? he stayed disciplined. that is a strategic decision because again, if they wanted to engage, bill clinton would have engaged. >> you said again, going back to some of the things i heard from you this morning, jeb bush and others who did not engage trump right off the top, it was to their peril but we are not talking about the clintons and not talking about their strategy. >> we're not. look, i think there is -- the clintons are concerned. on one hand, every time stuff about bill clinton's personal life has come up, politically it has been beneficial to hillary clinton. but we are -- the last thing they want is to have this rehashed. it makes her uncomfortable as a candidate and when your candidate is uncomfortable they are not good candidates. >> no other candidate is on tape defending bill clinton when he was impeached. they have the tape of donald
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trump. so here's a person who is purportedly saying to people, purporting himself as i'm not the average candidate. well, they have him on tape either playing the game -- >> you are getting at something a lot of campaigns that are running against donald trump trying to figure out. he's on tape praising the clintons, why do you trust him? he's on tape saying this. why do you trust him? i think the problem is where donald trump inoculates himself is going hey, you don't trust these people, i don't trust them either. i did what i had to do. he has this blanket answer. i was just doing what i had to do to get along because that's my job. >> we are out of time. we'll see you later at your other job later this evening. thanks, chuck. that does it for this hour of "msnbc live." up next, fresh from the interview, the rope line, getting those answers from bill clinton, andrea mitchell will be up next. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like reunions equal blatant lying. the company is actually doing really well on, on social media. oh that's interesting.
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mitchell reports" -- we are live on the trail in new hampshire as bill clinton makes his first solo campaign stop for his wife's 2016 campaign. >> every presidential election, people run and believe it or not, it's kind of scary this year but believe it or not, most everybody actually tries to do what they say they're going to do when they're running. they're telling you what they believe and so you got to take them seriously. >> just 28 days before the voters get their turn. as donald trump releases his first tv ad today, taking direct aim at the democratic front-runner after trashing her husband. >> i know many of the people in the clinton campaign. the last person they want to run against is donald trump, believe me.

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