the u.s. is wanting to disengage from a very complex situation. >> thank you for helping us understand it a bit better. always good to see you. >> thanks, kate. that's going to do it if are this hour of msnbc live, i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" begins right now. if it's 2016, the gloves are off, the lines are drawn, the message is clear, and the time is very short. get ready for a new version of thunder dome. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. ♪ ♪ happy new year, happy first monday of the year, welcome to the first "mtp daily" of 2016. let's be clear, there's nothing happy or welcoming about the road to the white house today. we are in a new phase, we knew it would be. but wow, today was even more contentious than we expected. the loudest sounds are two
unmistakable things. terror and negativity. the wait is over, the sprint to new hampshire is here. and right now, marco rubio and wrapping up an iowa event. chris christie, bernie sanders, bill clinton, all will be starting new hampshire events in this hour. 28 separate campaign events today across the country from des moines to manchester. and on the republican side, it's a lot about trying to tear down both donald trump and hillary clinton. >> this is a race for the presidency of the united states. the job is not described in the constitution as entertainer in chief or commentator in chief, or even frankly economist in chief. >> that's what this campaign is about, unifying conservatives and we're seeing it happen every day. and it's not surprising that other candidates are not happy about that, and that they're going to throw attack after attack after attack, trying to slow that down. >> now, i understand that a certain amount of bluffing and threatening gets thrown around in any hotly contested election.
but i'm here today to tell you, do not be fooled. any significant division within the republican party leads to the same awful result. close your eyes and picture hillary rodham-clinton on the front steps of the capital in january 2017, taking the oath of office as president of the united states. >> so you heard it, the digs at trump were clear, though subtle. the digs at clinton, even clearer. the tone of the new tv ads out there, make these points even stronger. there's a new one out today attacking ted cruz. and guess who did it?
not trump, not rubio, not christie. rick santorum. >> i like green eggs and ham. >> ted cruz is wonderful at reading children's fairy tales on the senate floor. >> sam i upam. >> rick santorum spent his time
in the senate a little differently. >> meantime, a pro-cruz super pac is on the attack, hitting marco rubio. ♪ ♪ >> i know i have a debate, but i got to get this fantasy football thing right. >> there you go. now our new hampshire campaign ad notes we have most of the establishment super pacs hitting each other. rube and the
rubio super pac is hitting, wait for it, chris christie. >> he instituted an internet sales tax, supported common core, and liberal energy policies. incredibly, christie even backed obamacare's medicaid expansion. a liberal-loving,
medicaid-expanding president, it's enough. >> i got to mention this. this attack christie phenomenon is widespread, not just rubio. keep in mind, he doesn't
lead in a single poll. he doesn't have a lot of money to work with right now, but there are more negative tv ads hitting christie than any other republican running right now. bush, rubio, and kasich super pacs all hitting christie. rubio is honing in on what many republicans seem to think will be the issue for them, terror and fear of another terror attack. >> serious times require serious leadership. the last seven years under president obama have taught us that problems do not take care of themselves. in the absence of american leadership. the united states should not delay leading a global coalition to take out isis with overwhelming force. >> so that's jeb reading the polls, knowing that terrorism is now the number one issue among
republicans. of course his super pac is hitting the other governors in new hampshire. and there's the front-runner. this
is the first tv ad everybody heard about this morning. donald trump who has a rally tonight in massachusetts, in lowell. he didn't spend a single dollar on tv ads in 2016. but now he's doing $2 million a week in iowa and new hampshire. he released his first ad today and the terror theme and front and center. >> the politicians can pretend it's something else, but donald trump calls it radical islamic terrorism. that's why he's calling for a temporary shutdown of muslims entering the united states until we can figure out what's going on. he'll quickly cut the head off isis and take their oil, and he'll stop illegal immigration by building a wall on the southern border that mexico will pay for. >> there's been a fact-checker
on the ad. and the trump campaign says they were not trying to show mexicans
running for the american border. that's why they were showing moroccans running for a border. and heading out to iowa, ted cruz offered faint praise for marco rubio. >> i like marco. he's a friend of mine. i will say he's a very charming person. great sense of humor. he's very well liked in washington. i enjoy marco -- >> this sounds like a dig more than a compliment, that he's well liked in washington. >> he is. it's an undeniable fact. >> a subtle way to say he's not an outsider like you? >> i think what voters are looking for is someone who honors the commitments they made to the men and women who elected us and someone who's a leader. >> you saw hallie jackson there. he's been riding on the ted cruz campaign bus all day and joins me live from iowa. hallie, what else do we have
from the iowa front-runner? >> quite a bit, chuck, in this wide-ranging interview that we did on ted cruz's campaign bus. you can see they're hunkered down outside the iowa state capital. but one of the things we talked about, when we asked about donald trump and some of his attacks against ted cruz, you're right that chris christie in the establishment lane is in the cross hairs, but it's ted cruz also facing a lot of incoming fire as he pointed out in our interview and talked about being in the cross hairs as a good thing. it's a sign that this race has changed, as he put it, over the last couple of weeks, as he feels he's picked up momentum here in iowa specifically. but he pushed back on the idea that he has to win iowa. he said it's not a must-win state for him -- >> really? come on, there's no scenario that he's the nominee without winning iowa? >> i think it's going to be challenging for him if he doesn't win iowa. but he did point out, i asked
him about the attack from donald trump. again raising this question of not a lot of evangelicals come out of cuba. and senator cruz without pouncing on trump, he declined to hit trump and pointed out some politicians may be getting panicked at this point in the race. so you'll see much more of that coming up on "nightly news" and online too. >> thank you, hallie jackson. let's talk a little bit of trump versus cruz if we can. sam clovis, national co-chair for the donald trump campaign and welcome back, sir. >> happy new year, chuck, how you doing? >> i'm all right. let's talk about the trump campaign in iowa. a lot of us who have watched traditional campaigns we have put together have not seen one like trump's succeed in the past. tell me why this is different. are you concerned that cruz is out-organizing you right now? >> i don't think so. i don't think so at all. i think you touched on it right at the top.
most people have tried to put this campaign into the same template that is seen over and over again out here in iowa. this has been an entirely different campaign with a totally different mechanism, a whole different set of modalities that we're using in our approach to this. i think that the telling aspect of this will be on february 1st, when the votes are counted and we see how many people actual turn out in the caucus event and vote for donald trump. i think you're going to be surprised. i think the country's going to be surprised at the level of effort we put into this. we have the best person in iowa running this ground campaign in mr. chuck laudner, he's an old hand at this. and i really do think, if you take a look at how we've built our database, done all of the same grunt work that every other campaign has done, just approached it in a different
manner. >> what have we underestimated here? how much are you counting on people who have never caucused before to show up? >> i don't know that we're counting on that. i do think that's going to be a phenomena we're going to see. i think one of the things that we've made very clear and that we don't want any of the caucus locations to run out of registration cards. we saw this in 2012 with the ron paul phenomenon of many people showing up the same night of the caucus and registering. and i know in my own caucus location, we had easily 15% of the people were first-time caucusers. >> the importance of finishing first or second, do you feel as if second place in iowa is a victory for you? >> well, i don't -- i think we're here to win. i think that our notion is to win. we're going to try to win everything. i think that's the approach we've taken. >> i would expect nothing less than donald trump. i don't think he ever runs for
second place. but you and i know how this game works. >> well, i think -- let's put it this way. winning in iowa is much more important to many of the other campaigns than it would be to this campaign, which is a national campaign. and you already see how we're doing in new hampshire, south carolina, nevada, georgia, louisiana, alabama, florida, virginia. you take a look at almost any other state, i think you'll look at where we are nationally, up by 14 points nationally. >> is it fair to say that iowa or new hampshire, you got to win one? >> oh, yeah. i think we're going to win both. >> but you got to win one to get this to keep going? >> i think so. but i also think that, again, i would put much more importance on this for other campaigns other than the fact that we are looking at this from the long haul, and we are -- we have people on the ground all over this country.
i think you know that. and again, i think everybody has grossly mis -- really underestimated our ability to go out here and do the technical aspects of mounting a ground campaign. we've done everything every other campaign has done, it's just that it's not visible and i'm pretty excited about the fact that the media is underestimating what we're doing out here. i think they're going to be shocked on caucus night. >> it's not many chances that somebody who's got as large a lead in the polls in as many states as he does, continues to get underestimated. probably is a nice place to be. thanks so much, sir. >> always great to talk to you. well, it's not just republicans like trump pulling out all the stops today. in an effort to lock up the new hampshire primary, hillary clinton deployed what may be her campaign's greatest tool, former president bill clinton. and for good reason, as bernie sanders hauls in $33 million in the fourth quarter, $1 million
behind clinton in the fourth quarter. clinton is making her best attempt to avoid a long nomination fight and spending millions of dollars that could be better spent in a general election. so bill clinton, speaking on behalf of his wife solo for the first time in this election cycle with an attempt to humanize his wife. our own andrea mitchell was there. >> how does it feel to be back in new hampshire which loves you? >> wonderful. i love this place, you know. >> how do you feel about the kind of campaign donald trump is running, sir? >> the republicans will have to decide who they're going to nominate. how i feel is only relevant once they pick a nominee. we're trying to win a primary. >> can hillary win this one? >> sure. right here? sure. it's gonna be hard. >> what's your advice?
>> i believe she's been here a lot, that's all you can do. these people are really fair. no candidate who borders new hampshire has ever lost a primary here, except dean and kerry. >> steve kornacki fact-checked the former president and ted kennedy, neighboring state, he lost the new hampshire primary, but he did lose to a sitting president of the united states in jimmy carter in 1980. but let's go back here and now exeter, i believe we have bill clinton who is about to do yet another event today. he started off a little bit rusty, but you could see him get some momentum. >> oh, did he ever. by the time he got to a very popular restaurant and ice cream shop in manchester, he was going table to table, asking people about their french fries. it really reminded me of the "snl" parity.
it was just incredible. and as you can see, he's right behind me, on cue, here in exeter. standing room only. the fire marshall had to close the town hall. and people are lined up around the block in this sub-freezing weather. but they've closed the doors. nobody else is getting in. >> and the most important part of your rope-line conversation was the pause that said nothing, but said everything when it came to your donald trump question. >> clearly they have made a decision. hillary clinton as well as bill clinton, on the stump, and he so wanted to answer that question and just paused and it was clear that he was under guidance or following the decision or ob obeying the decision, however you want to put it. he's not making trump the story today and it's good campaign strategy. why get into a food fight, to mix analogies here, with donald
trump? because he'll pick up the phone and dial a network. but that said, hillary clinton did make reference to the rhetoric and how she thinks it's not constructive and it's insulting and that it's better to get things done than to trade insults. that's clearly a reference to trump. but the t word never crossed her lips. >> everybody's veiled shots at trump these days. andrea, get back to listening to the big dog. thank you. >> you bet. tune into "hardball" tomorrow at 7:00 p.m. eastern, hillary clinton joins chris matthews for her first national tv interview of the new year. hillary clinton plays "hardball." coming up, tensions rise in the middle east as arab nations cut ties with iran. plus, the armed stand-off in oregon. we'll look at what's behind the protest a hundred years in the making by the way. and how the government is responding. that make me smile. spending the day with my niece. i don't use super poligrip for hold,
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perhaps the most important story internationally was what happened this weekend, saudi and iran diplomatic divide is putting the white house in a very tough position. the biggest inroad with iran in decades, the nuclear deal. and saudi arabia has shut down trade with their rival and ordered out embassy staff. this started saturday with the execution of a shi'ite cleric along with dozens of others. and that led to protest and attack on the saudi embassy in iran. i'm joined now from tehran. obviously this is part of the largest sunni-shia split that has been hundreds of years going on here. but this has been -- we were waiting for a spark. was the spark saturday? are we about to see a cold war turn into a hot war?
>> well, chuck, it's a very good question, it's undetermined right now. iran and saudi arabia have been at loggerheads for hundreds of years, but this isn't the first time they've had a diplomatic breakdown. they had one in 1989. didn't have diplomatic relations for three years. but nothing has felt quite as bad as this one. the rhetoric has been very harsh from both sides and the diplomatic fall-out has had a ripple effect in the region which is really very bad for iran. it depends on how iran is going to handle this situation going forward. president rowhani made a huge effort on the nuclear deal to bring iran in from the cold. but now iran's neighbors in the region who were not fond of them anyway, have turned away from them. and then of course they have the proxy wars in this region where
they're totally at loggerheads. they have a totally different idea what the political landscape in this region should look like. they're fighting each other in iraq, in syria, in yemen. and the potential for those things to go out of control is much greater right now. the other great problem is that iran and saudi arabia have a major bone of contention with syria. they see syria looking very differently right now. at least they were at negotiating table in vienna. i doubt they'll be there now, trying to figure out a resolution for the crisis in syria. so this has wider ramifications in the region, even in iran and saudi don't fight each other directly, they're fighting each other in different places. >> internally, rowhani, i know there's regional elections, the united states has been sensitive about them, worried that somehow the more conservative radical elements could hurt rowhani's political standing.
what's going on internally? is rowhani losing some power inside this country? >> well, it's a fractured place here, chuck. so there are people in iran who want a different shape of iran. and this is not working out in rowhani's favor. these parliamentary elections coming up in february are very important for him to consolidate his power. and then the assembly of experts who choose the next supreme leader, so there's a lot of jockeying to get their people into place so they hold the controls of power in this country. both in the parliament and the assembly of experts who chooses the next supreme leader. so this is a very sensitive time for president rowhani in iran to consolidate his power and not get sidelined. but there are a lot of hardliners that are working against him. they don't think he should have
made an outreach to the united states and europe on the nuclear deal. >> nothing like a regional diplomatic problem in the middle of domestic elections. thank you, sir. john kasich joins me right after the break. umatologist about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira giving me new perspective. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb,
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good old-fashioned bio spot. governor kasich, good afternoon. >> how are you? >> i'm good, sir. let me ask you about the tone and tenor of the campaign. you got multiple negative ads of people banging each other. you got all these terrorism, very tough, national security spots. yours was different in that it didn't come across that way. are you off or are the other candidates off here when it comes to tone and tenor of what the primary electorate wants to hear? >> well, chuck, if i've got something to say that i think is negative, that's necessary to say, i'll say it. but, look, i think this ad talks about really grit and determination, and here in america, we don't give up. and i think, in our country today, there's a lot of people that think, well, i got knocked down and somebody did it to me, and as i told people in iowa
today, especially as lot of these young college students, when you get knocked down, you pick yourself back up again. and my whole lifetime has been one of grit and determination. and there's a lot of people that think only the rich and the powerful run our government and frankly, my being the son of a mailman, i've been speaking out for people who are not rich and powerful, all of my career. >> so it sounds like you think there's too many campaigns out there who are saying, here's someone to blame, let's get angry? >> i don't calculate it like that. yesterday i was on your show and you did a great job. i happened to see the end of it because i was in the gym. and you said, kasich didn't attack trump because he's worried about trump supporters. that has nothing to do with my calculation. haven't you figured it out by now? it wasn't the place and the time and i didn't feel that. so i don't look like what all the campaigns are doing and figure out what i'm going to do anymore than i say what i say
based on what somebody else said. it's never been like that in my career. you know that. i've been an unorthodox politician and independent guy all my lifetime. >> i was curious, why were you in iowa today? i thought you were a new hampshire or bust guy. >> no, i think you guys underestimate what we do. we're on the ballot now in over 30 states. there are people who are not on the ballot in some of these critical states, and i can tell you, one of them is virginia. so we're all over the place. we have people on the ground in iowa, on the ground in new hampshire, people on the ground in south carolina and also in nevada. >> but what's the likelihood we'll see you back in iowa before the end of january? >> i'll be going to iowa on sunday. >> all right. >> and then next week. i'm busy, chuck. >> okay, sir. >> i'm having the greatest time. a lot of people say, i wish you would have talked like that
before, when he was running before he dropped out. i'm doing exactly what i want to do and say what i want to say and i'm having a ball. >> that is definitely true. stay safe on the trail. appreciate your time. >> always a pleasure, good luck. >> thanks, governor. still ahead, we'll talk more about anger in america. glad to see governor kasich was watching all the way to the end of the show. because if you missed it yesterday, you missed a fabulous -- we'll be right back. . i'm reminded to stick to my plan. including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula that the national eye institute recommends to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd... after 15 years of clinical studies. preservision areds 2. because my eyes are everything. and i'm still struggling with my diabetes.
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the convictions of these men. dwight and steven hammond. a pair of father and son ranchers, who were jailed for arson on federal land and say setting those fires was a protective measure for their own property. prosecutors say it was a cover-up for poaching. a short time ago, they surrendered themselves into federal custody. on saturday, armed demonstrators gathered in burns, oregon, before moving outside of the city to seize a wildlife refuge center. the building was unoccupied for the holiday break and now closed until further notice. and the activists say it's federal overreach. the man leading the ongoing occupation is ammon bundy. the son of cliven bundy, whose dispute with the bureau of land management resulted in a 2014 armed stand-off in nevada. the dispute continues and the activists say they're not looking for bloodshed, but they
came armed and prepared to defend themselves as the fbi monitors the situation. so how long could this last and would other armed protesters be treated the same way? joined now by jim cavanaugh, former hostage negotiator who worked on the stand-off in waco, texas, and richard cohen, president of the southern poverty law center. richard, give me the basics of what you know about these various activists out west, very much anti-government activists of sorts. what's their background and how long whether it's the bundy family or others, how active are they? >> this has been going on for years, chuck. there's been a lot of tensions between the federal government and other ranchers out west over land-use issues. the bundy incident was the most incendiary, the stand-off that you referred to. and there have been no prosecutions since that time. there were people, armed men,
pointing guns at federal agents and no prosecutions resulted. when the federal government backed down, they saw it as a tremendous victory. and since that time we've seen a real increase in the number of armed militias out there, from about 200, to about 275. so what's happening now in oregon, i think, is a really predictable result of what happened on the bundy ranch in april of 2014. >> jim, let me get you to respond, that he's basically linking the decision by the federal government to back down during the bundy incident, the first one, led to this. >> well, richard will appreciate me saying that he's exactly right. the government can't rush in there with their hair on fire, real strong and get involved in the shoot-out with these anti-government militia men, because that's basically what they want. they want to be martyrs for the cause, they want to start the revolution. so you don't want to act like that.
but by the same token, by doing nothing in the nevada stand-off in 2014, they've emboldened these guys to face them, the federal government, with firearms. they should have handled the nevada case just like they did, not get in a shoot-out with 150 armed men, but they should have drawn warrants, sealed warrants from all these violations that occurred. the president today was talking about firearms violations, these guys violated a host of firearms laws and threatened federal officers. warrants could have been drawn. a dozen or 15 of the key players could have been picked off along the way, that would discourage this activity here. now they've got to go slow. they've got to be circumspect in how they deal with it. >> before i go back to richard, jim, walk me through, i believe you were still at atf during the incidents of waco and ruby ridge. and they get conflated to many people, but they were totally
different situations that produced stand-offs, but they happened at a similar time. how much is this the government now sort of underreacting because of the fall-out from those two incidents? >> well, clearly, we learned a lot of lessons in both of those incidents for how these anti-government people react. they don't submit easily to lawful authority. most people when we go with a search warrant, they submit to authority when they know you're a federal officer, a police officer, they surrender. sometimes people shoot, but now when you talk about the violent anti-government groups, they get a gang together of like-minded people that are just fanatical, chuck. they're fanatics and they believe what they're saying and what they're saying, if you talk to them, they sound for the first few minutes, maybe they have a poind, but the longer you talk to them, you start to realize that basically they want the federal government to go away and they'll do whatever
they want. it's crack pottism really. >> richard, what's your recommendation for how to handle this going forward? >> they're between a rock and a hard place. you're not going to rush in guns ablazing. that would be foolish. but when these people come out, they need to be arrested and prosecuted. you just can't have an armed stand-off with men with guns defying federal authority. this will just breed more of this kind of thing. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. we usually have you on when there's a horrible incident in realtime. appreciate your wisdom on this one, thank you both. still ahead on "mtp daily," a look at the angry american electorate. stay tuned. ♪
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anger and frustration of course have been major factors in the 2016 race so far. but who are these angry americans and why? nbc news teamed up with esquire magazine in an attempt to find out. 49% of americans say they are angrier now than a year ago. now we were wondering who they are. a majority of white. 43% of latino, 33% of african american. while it's both sides of the aisle, it was republicans a bit more angry than the democrats. 61% angrier than a year ago, versus 42% of democrats. the most revealing stat, women are the most angry, 53%, compared to 44% of men. and it's white women who are the most angry. nice to see you again, sir.
>> good to be here. >> yesterday we did the bigger picture, but we didn't get enough into this gender split. it's the angry white woman versus the angry white man. but it's a much different set of issues that make them angry. >> it's a totally different kind of anger. on the one hand, you got the anger of perceived diminishment, the sense that the country no longer belongs to them and their life didn't turn out as well as they thought it would. but if women in particular it's the anger of empathy, they see everything that's going on in the world and they're angry about the way other people are treated. white men are not nearly as empathetic and they're not nearly as upset when they see other people being mistreated. so that explains why white women in particular are leading the uptick. >> so when you see muslims getting bashed or law enforcement showdowns with
african americans, or the shootings, the school shootings, this is what is, all of this is animating women. >> that is lgbt, hispanic individuals, they see the news and they're irate. and it shows among white men, compassion and empathy are not necessarily strong suits. >> we got into a little bit of this yesterday, but i thought it was amazing, the two questions that we asked about the american dream and about america's standing in the world and the majority believe that the american dream no longer exists amongst whites in particular. but that wasn't the case among non-whites. >> that's right. particularly among black americans, despite a year that's wall to wall about police violence and mass incarceration, they're not only less angry, they're more optimistic. >> you could make a strong case just by the facts. being an african american male walking the streets is not easy.
much harder than being a white male in this country. and yet when it comes to dealing with law enforcement, and yet more optimistic? >> that's right. and with black americans, they're facing real issues with insecurity. they don't feel secure in their own communities, by the people who are supposed to be protecting them. but white women and white men who don't have to deal with that, feel this sense of cultural insecurity. >> and i guess the larger conclusion, there's not one thing making people angry, it's a lot of things making a lot of people angry. >> it's not discrete pockets. it's everybody from the left and the right, and it's igniting these conversations about race, gender, and national identity in a way that we haven't seen in a generation. >> how much do you think we're feeding it? we the media, social media. sometimes i wonder if we are stoking this culture of
resentment, victimization, whatever you want to call it, by covering it so much. >> social media users are more angry than non-social media users. so you see this fun house mirror effect when you look at social media and it amplifies the tensions among the different communities. >> esquire hits news stands tomorrow. >> and on esquire.com right now, you can take a quiz to say how angry you are relative to other americans. >> and your avatar is? >> donald trump. he's our cover for february. >> appreciate it. much more "mtp daily" coming up. including the man who is being attacked the most, and he doesn't lead in a single poll. right after this. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement, you'd get your whole car back.
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highest tax burden. it's next to the bottom in job growth. chris christie, one high tax common core liberal energy-loving obamacare medication cade expanded president. >> if you're keeping track, those were super pacs for kasich, bush and rubio, all attacking chris christie. welcome all. let me start with you. your magazine broke this earlier today on rubio's superpac. a month ago were they thining the first negative ad would be chris christie? >> i don't think so. this is characteristic of this race so far. we can see more attack ads like this. christie is the guy we are hitting on today. tomorrow will be somebody else. >> i think what is amazing here,
let's set aside the fact christie got to this place. everybody's ganging up on him. not winning in a single state yet. >> you think about iowa and new hampshire. if he does perform decently well in iowa, or doesn't embarrass himself and gets to new hampshire, he's a border state guy. you figure out how you take him down. he's not winning anywhere. the national poll, any state polls, yet he musting rising. for every candidate to be going after him. >> it's all the establishment guys who think they will consolidate this the question for christie world, do they have the resources to fight back? they could be in a precarious position. >> if you're being attacked, you're winning, right? he's going to raise money. suddenly, he's a player in this field. there's got to be movement for him others are detecting. he is a effective candidate on
the stump. he's been there forever target. people are still furious about that rubio super pac ad of christie walking on the beach. he looked extremely fat. it reminded everybody how fat and sloppy he used to be. he is a very juicy target. >> in '95 before the '96 race, lamar alexander was the first to go negative after anybody. he went after pete wilson. it was somebody in his lane. lamar secured third place. is this what rubio is fighting for, third place? >> maybe. he is fighting for the establishment position. i don't think he is an establishment guy, but he's been pigeon holed into that block. i think he's taking that perspective when you've got cruz who is not establishment. trump is definitely not establishment. this is the way to appeal to
moderate voters. >> the way you go after christie. there is an obama element. any time you can invokes obama's name, it helps. christie's donors in new york are the biggest. >> but they held off before. will they write the check now? >> it certainly won't hurt him. >> they want evidence he's got jets. >> they don't like cruz or trump. this will help him present himself that way. >> if you're marco rubio and you let ted cruz gain altitude, how do you stop him? this is for everybody. this is all for the establishment guys. you let cruz gain altitude and you may not stop him. >> marco rubio's strategy has been a game of three-dimensional chess. >> we'll see if it's three-dimensional chess. it might be checkers. >> it might be. when he does well, we'll say what a smart chess game that was. the other candidates, they are
clearly going for new hampshire. even jeb is. rubio doesn't want to get boxed into one state or another. if he does better, he's a genius. >> in some ways, cruz frightening the establishment more than trump. you can see a way where christie or someone could consolidate all that washington support with outside support. christie is no washington insider, but he could bring that kind of support to him if cruz were to emerge in iowa. >> is the base ready to forgive christie? sometimes if you get through a fight like this, people say, well, i've got to admire his grit and i'll forgive him for the hug. >> what i found fascinating, among the young conservatives, the thing they can't forgive, he didn't run in 2012. >> they are more upset about that. >> yeah. it was a winnable race. now we don't like him as much. >> we'll see. it is fascinating that the guy that is sitting maybe in third place in new hampshire is the one getting hit hardest.
nobody is touching trump. >> where does he go after new hampshire? let's face it. how does he play? >> trump is tough to beat. >> all right. thank you, all. what a first day of 2016. we'll have to do more of this and we'll do it tomorrow. more "mpt daily." with all due respect, it starts right now. their guests include governor chris christie. with all due respect to america's pundits in 2015, better luck this year. >> those people think trump is going to flame out or drop out? >> he is going to flame out quickly. >> this is the beginning of the end for donald trump. >> beginning of the end of donald trump. >> beginning of the end for donald trump. >> i will eat my right hand if donald trump is the republican nominee.