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you have an awesome staff. i would leave. plug my ears and run out of the room screaming. >> there will be a commercial break. i can get up and just leave when i finish my stuff, and that's a possibility. >> good luck, my friend. donald trump wants to campaign against bill clinton but today in new hampshire, bill clinton refused to play trump's game. >> every american should have a right to meet at least one president in a lifetime and in new hampshire your odds go way up. >> bill clinton returned to the trail in the state that famously made him -- >> the come back kid. i love this place, you know. >> donald trump is still targeting hillary clinton via bill and his past with women. >> she's got one of the great women abusers of all time sitting at her house waiting for her to come home. >> this is not the fight that the clintons want to have. >> i'm going to let him live in his alternative reality and i'm not going to respond.
>> it's such an ot cycle that a man that bankrupted four companies is attacking a man that balanced four federal budgets. so you know, that's about what this is. >> we have a revolution going on. >> armed anti-government protesters have taken over a federal building. >> the group wants local control of this federal land. >> people are tired and they're sick of the stupidity that we're seeing coming out of washington. >> we're actually not demanding anything other than the government to adhere to the constitution. >> we don't have a constitutional right to use >> we're not going to take it anymore. we're not taking it. in new hampshire today bill clinton did something that no president has ever done before. campaign for his wife to become president of the united states. >> soon be 45 years ago in a couple of months when we met. we fell in love. i thought she was the most amazing person. there she was in that law school.
she could have written her ticket to go anywhere she wanted. all she was interested in was providing legal service to poor people. >> yesterday the frontrunner for the republican presidential nomination welcomed bill clinton's public support for hillary clinton's campaign this way. >> she's married to a person that's a serious abuser, at the highest level. and she, you know, she's not an innocent victim. she was the one who would go along with him in this whole game that they play. you look at what happened with some of the people that he took advantage of and then she gets involved. she's not like the innocent person sitting by the side and you know, the tears in her eyes. she's a person that was very much involved. >> andrea mitchell caught up with bill clinton after his first campaign speech today. >> reporter: how do you feel about the kind of campaign that donald trump is running, sir? >> the republicans will have to decide who they're going to nominate.
how i feel is only relevant when they pick a nominee. >> today in iowa a voter asked hillary clinton to respond to another trump attack. >> i'm interested in your response to the donald's comment that you and president obama created isis. >> i've adopted a new year's resolution. i'm going to let him live in his alternative reality and i'm not going to respond. [ cheers & applause ] >> joining us now, howard dean, former government of vermont. he's also an msnbc political and analyst, rick wilson and joy read is here, msnbc national correspondent. the clintons are not going near the latest round of donald trump accusations. >> it's interesting. the clinton's political pedigree
is you hit them once and they deck you like in the face 18 times in response. and that they have this disproportionate response is what people expect. they're employing a different strategy. they're saying let him come at us. we're not going to give him any sound bites that he can use. i think it's the right thing to. >> >> and howard dean, i'm not sure if we see the full emergence of a clinton campaign strategy here yet. but if hillary clinton won't respond to trump on issues like isis, does that mean that their strategy might be to not respond to anything trump says so that it won't look like they're just isolating the bill clinton accusations as something they won't comment on? >> i don't really -- i have no way of knowing what the answer to that is. but i do think what they're doing is terrific. because in order to become president, people have to like you.
and donald trump is really struggling in terms of people liking him. he may be saying things that appeal to people who are angry, but liking somebody is different. and they really do want to like the president. so i predicted a couple of weeks ago that this was going to blow up in donald trump's face. you know, he's very good, donald trump. he's got a terrific marketing personality. i don't think you want to take on the number one champion for the last 70 years, which is bill clinton in something that you might be a little good at but not very good at. >> he did give a lot of hints that he was going to talk about bill clinton tonight in massachusetts in his speech, which was one of the shortest he's ever given. maybe he's got a head ache or something. instead he didn't mention bill clinton at all. tonight he wanted to campaign against barack obama. let's listen to that. >> we don't need four more years of obama. that's what you're getting with hillary. no. that's what you're getting.
and i believe it might be even worse if you want to know the truth. >> rick wilson, for republican audiences, which of these things that with eve heard trump say are the most effective for the republican audiences? >> well the repetition of another term of barack obama is most effective. the bill clinton stuff, it's not new information and trump bringing it up isn't going to move a lot of republican voters any further than they have been. everybody knows bad touch bill clinton. everybody knows this is a guy who engaged in behavior over a course of a decades that would put most people in jail. what it does is bring democrats home to hillary that we've seen in previous elections. in 2012, we saw in focus groups that when you brought it up that bill clinton was a bad actor in a million different ways, what happened is people say yeah, we like him still and we like her.
it's a paradox and trump bringing it up, it feeds the republican base that loves to go to war mentality but it doesn't get you to an end state that changes it much. it makes democrats stronger for her and reminds republicans that bill clinton is a guy who spent a lot of time on sex slave island. >> so much to respond to here, joy, that i'm not sure -- go ahead. >> known quantities maybe if you read world net daily. but i think one important point in that giuliani analogy, he dumped his wife on national television at the time he was quitting his campaign. having run against hillary clinton and failed to, to succeed, he would understand -- >> no, joy he left the race because of prostate cancer. let's be precise about that. >> at the same time he was being
hit on issues of police violence and abuse on which he had failed to respond and has responded in a way that got after american new yorkers -- >> much none of which polled. >> have you polled african american reporter? donald trump has a similar problem in that if he's going to invite the clintons to reverse litigate his history regarding women, he's not going to hold up well but i i think you make a good point that it reinforces for democrats the will to fight. that's what hillary clinton needs to most for the democrats to fight for her. >> let's look at this latest poll. this is a cnn poll. hillary clinton at 49, donald trump at 47 in a theoretical general election matchup. howard dean, they did not include bernie sanders in a matchup with donald trump in that poll as so many polls ignore bernie sanders when it
comes to the one on ones. the last one we saw which included bernie sanders, he had a much bigger lead over donald trump. but that margin, what do you make of that? >> i don't make much of polls before the primary election. there's going to be a lot of people coming home on both sides after the nominee is decided and there is a ton of people in the middle who have yet to make up their minds. i think that's where hillary's huge advantage is. most people can see hillary as a competent president no matter which side they're on. really hard to see donald trump as a competent president. that's what is going to make the difference in the general election. >> let's look at the first trump tv campaign ad. they're going to spend a million bucks on this in iowa. let's take a look at this. >> i'm donald trump and i approve this message. >> the politicians can pretend it's something else, but donald
trump calls it radical
islamic terrorism. that's why he's calling for a temporary shutdown of muslims entering the united states until we can figure out what's going on. he'll quickly cut the head off isis and take their oil and he'll stop illegal immigration by building a wall on our southern border that mexico will pay for. >> we will make america great again. >> rick wilson, the trump campaign not content with the way things are on the southern border. did not use a shot of the mexican border. i'm told it's morocco. but it's filled a negative energy. >> donald trump is a fundamentally negative candidate. he talks about the decline of america, how we suck in the world, how the leaders are stupid. this is the guy who wants to be on the white horse but he has to frame the world as fundamentally dark and america as
fundamentally failing. and frankly we're in a phase where folks are angry and pessimistic and they feel like the government has failed in a million ways, the splash damage that happens from trump doing this, it feeds the negative perspectives of the folks involved in supporting him and it makes them feel engaged, as one called it doomsday conservatism. he feeds the message of the core group of folks. and, you know, it doesn't sell a lot of new real estate here. it's the same message. and in that regard, that's the kind of ad you can expect from him. he's going to stick with themes that we's comfortable with. >> is that ad going to get any more voter for donald trump in your neighboring state of new hampshire? >> it is possible that it might. the sort of the anger vote could
be consolidated by donald trump. and i think that's what he's -- i agree on this. 100%. but he does have a vote and he's going to get there. the problem for the republicans, there's three or four moderate candidates who have a much better chance against hillary clinton and neither one of them are going to get more than 11%. all he has to do is get 28% and he's in business in new hampshire and the rest of them aren't. coming up, the last time the bundy family had a standoff on federal land against the federal government several republicans seemed to be on their side. what are they saying now? i know you're about to go to break. >> i am going to break. >> you threw the stuff on the paper. there's things happening. there are things happening. i am going to jump in here. >> i'm so uncomfortable. >> you cannot miss the end of the show.
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in 1908 republican presidential teddy roosevelt created a national wildlife refuge that is the seen of the latest armed insurrection of the bundy family. this time the bundy family claims to be supporting the hammond family. two members of the hammond family for convicted of arson for fires that spread onto the national wildlife refuge. that is the scene of the bundy family's latest terrorist action. but the hammond family wants nothing to do with the bundy family wisely. they issued a statement saying neither ammon bundy nor anyone with his group organization speak were the hammond family. 2008 and stephen hammond surrendered to authorities in california to serve their prison sentences in the case. they did that today. the bundy gang invaded the federal buildings on saturday
night when the refuge was closed and the buildings unoccupied. today white house press secretary josh earnest said this. >> the fbi has said they're working with local law enforcement official to resolve the situation. and we're hopeful that that situation can be resolved peacefully and without any violence in an interview today, ammon bundy said this. >> the only violence that, if it comes our way, will be because government is wanting their building back. and that's what it would be about. we're putting nobody in harm's way. we are not threatening anybody. we're 30 miles out of the closest town. we are here making this stand and we're doing it peacefully and we're doing it for the right reasons. >> ted cruz who was very sympathetic to the bundy family in their last insurrection is calling for them to stand down peacefully.
>> every one of us has a constitutional right to protest and speak our minds. but we don't have a right to use force and violence on others. it is our hope that the protesters will stand down peacefully. our prayers are with those in law enforcement that are risking their lives right now, that they be safe. but there is no right to engage in violence against other americans. >> joining the panel now, richard cohen. a real change of tone for ted cruz on this one >> remember the bundy ranch standoff involved members of that malitia group pointing rifles at federal agents. part of the reason we're seeing them return to form here, out of their own state against the wishes -- >> the picture is one of the most pictures from that nevada standoff. he did not get arrested for
that. >> no. no one did. >> no one did. and the fact that they got away -- >> one arrest was on someone had a minor gun charge and another minor arrest but not associated with what they're doing. >> not associated with threatening federal agents or law enforcement. and i think the fact that they got away with that emboldened this group to go out of their state against the wishes of the family they say they're supporting and once again in an armed standoff with the federal government. the thing that's incredible, the sheriff asked them to go, the family asked them to go. i'm not sure what i that ear trying to accomplish. are they seizing the federal land? and if so, for whom? >> is this a reaction to the way things were handled in nevada? >> i think joy is absolutely right. the bundy family saw themselves as heroes. they were lionized by people like cruz, trump, carson and rand paul. you know sean hannity extolled
their virtues every day. and when no one was arrested the malitia world said courage is contagious. and the number of militias in our country have grown considerably since that time. what we're seeing is the predictable result of the failure of law enforcement to crack down because of what happened at the bundy ranch in april of 2014. >> let's listen to what marco rubio said about it today. >> you cannot be lawless. we live in a republic. there are ways to change the rules of the country. we get frustrated with it, that's why we have elections and have people we can hold accountable. and i agree there's too much federal control over land, especially out in the western part of the united states, states for example like nevada that are dominated by the federal government in terms of land holding and we should fix it. but no one should be doing it out of the way of the law. >> responsible commentary by rubio and ted cruz's change of tone and content on this one,
how do you read that in. >> i think we've got to apply the rule of law evenly across all parts of the political spectrum. conservatives were cheering for, you know, swift law enforcement response to ferguson and baltimore and everything else and liberals are cheering, including some calling for the protesters to be shot by the federal government. >> rick, stop. stop. rick, stop. no one is calling for those guys in that wildlife refuge to be shot. >> jonathan shade yesterday said he'll take option two of shooting them. people have. so i think it's important to apply the rule of law evenly across all parts of the political do main. i think it's important for -- i think it's not a defense of the blm or the absurdity of the federal land holdings of the west of this country to say if these guys want to change this they need to go through a series of political steps, not just at the point of a gun.
they have a legitimate right to protest and air their grievances, if this gets loud and folks die on both sides of the equation, it's not good for the republic. >> what should law enforcement do in this situation? >> i think they need to wait them out. there's in reason to provoke a con front facing. the bundy clan will eventually leave and when they do i think they should be arrested. >> joy, that's not what happened last time. >> not only were they not arrested but cliven bundy's $1 million that they still owed, the federal government has not enforced that. >> they're pursuing it in civil actions in federal court but it's like a bill collector chasing somebody. >> and what lesson have they indeed taught the malitia movements which have multiplying throughout the country. they've taught them there's a reward or no penalty for
literally threatening at the force of arms the federal government. one of the people involved in this standoff made a martyr video. they haven't actually committed any violent act. but when you're making videos saying you're prepared to die, imagine a muslim group making that exact same statement on the video. the federal government would have a complete by different attitude toward it. people who are seeing a double standard here are not crazy. they're watching it unfold on american soil. >> it seems to be a singular standard that applies only to these kinds of guys when they pull something like this. >> well you know, look. i think everybody realizes that black people in our country are, you know, bear the brunt of excessive policing. i don't think there's really any question about this. i'm not sure this particular
situation is very analogous to anything else. i think the point joy made is accurate. on the other hand, i hope that if black protesters took over a building no one would come in and start shooting them up when they could easily wait them out. >> thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up next, the fight against the islamic state just got much more complicated after saudi arabia excused a muslim cleric who had a strong following in iran. yet up 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day women's gummies. complete with key nutrients we may need... ...plus it supports bone health with calcium and vitamin d. one a day vitacraves gummies. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like reunions equal blatant lying. the company is actually doing really well on, on social media. oh that's interesting. i - i started social media. oh! it was my...baby.
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built for business. saturday was mass execution day in saudi arabia. 47 people were executed by the government in various locations using various methods, including beheading. the most controversial victim of the mass execution was a prominent shiite cleric. yesterday in iran, protesters sympathetic set fire to saudi iranian embassy. saudi arabia cut the diplomatic ties. and now three sunni led countries have joined saudi arabia in taking diplomatic action against iran. while the united arab emirates has downgraded its representation with iran. >> we need to be concerned about the iranians and the saudis to deescalate the situation in the
middle east. we're urging all sides to show some restraint and to not further inflame tensions that are on quite vivid display in the region. and secretary kerry has been in touch with his iranian counter part, u.s. diplomatic officials have been in touch with their counter parts to convey this message. >> joining us now, a former middle east specialist, also with us, a producer and correspondent for vice. ahmed, why did saudi arabia do this? they had to know what the reaction would be to this execution. >> that's the right question to be asking. not only did they know. i think this is another example of how saudi arabia is exploit ing sectarianism in the area.
you know, there's no denying that iran and saudi arabia, above being the symbols of shia and sunni symbols, they're two powers that are vying for power. to your point, this was ill-conceived, poorly thought out and will prove tore counter productive. just like the war in yemen. in addition to being critical of, you know, the audi arabian government and the monarchy, he was critical of the war in yemen. and specifically thousands of innocent civilians are died in this war. saudi arabia may be trying to galvanize sunni support not just for the war but for saudi arabia's other endeavors in the
region, and at the expense of the stability in the region. i think it's again just saudi arabia being selfish and not seeing things through. >> hillary, why do you think saudi arabia carried out this execution? >> i think it is part of a broader strategy. i share ahmed's view on this. i think that saudi arabia has an effective national security strategy but it's a strategy that involves arming, training and funding, especially funding armed militants from libya to afghanistan, throughout the entire region. it relies heavily on that kind of strategy. and using the united states, working with the united states to implement that strategy. it's a strategy that's worked incredibly effectively for the saudis. more people are starting to question whether this is effective or going reckless given this particularly mass executions. they've sustained one of the
most dictatorial governments the world has ever seen. >> let's listen who that marco rubio said about this today. >> why is this president trying to portray himself as a neutral arbiter between two countries in dispute. saudi arabia is not perfect but they're not an enemy of the united states, at least not their government. there are things they do i'm not in favor with and i have strong problems with. but that being said, they're a military ally of the united states in that region. iran has been our enemy. >> ahmed, here's an execution where the guy is killed for what he has said, knoll nothing other than words he's spoken and we can't have a republican candidate who has any strong objection to that. >> that's not surprising. just as we heard saying that saudi arabia is not our enemy. we've giving them $100 billion in arms in five years. and it makes you kind of wonder and ask the question, well how
did this region really fall and succumb to all of the sectarianism. it's proceeded the arab uprising and the american invasion of iraq. but you know i think we would be lying to ourselves if we can't admit that iran and saudi arabia are just as they are in syria and lebanon and many countries in the middle east now, and yemen, are vying for power because there's a security vacuum. and i think it's important to remember that it was the iraqi war, the invasion of iraq that really allowed for a lot of these things to start to grow out of control and allow governments like saudi arabia and iran to exploit those divisions for their own national gain. if you look in the mid '80s, the biggest conflict in the middle east in the '80s because between iran and iraq. two shiite governments that at the time, were you know, butting heads.
and you had saudi arabia assisting iraq against iran. that kind of dispels the notion that everything in the region should be seen through the secretary lines. at the end of the day the reasons you don't see republicans saying that is the same brown you don't see the democrats addressing it. which i think at the end of the day we've allowed for better or worse knowing we are not for the people, the new saudi king, to take advantage of the vacuums. >> chris christie was asked today if he could be in any way sympathetic to the iranian reaction to this given that the man was executed simply for things that he said. and chris christie said he had absolutely no sympathies for the iranian side of this. >> yeah. unfortunately i think that's across the board. unfortunately not just in the republican camp but among democrats too. iran has been so vilified in the
american public that it would be hard are think for ms americans to have sympathy. the biggest concern is more of what marco rubio said. that is grounded in american love affair with militarism in the middle east. and if we had to somehow have a normal regular relationship with saudi arabia that wasn't pumping billions of weapons into their pockets, a normal relationship not based on this militarism, that would hurt a lot of people here in washington. and we are attached to that to our peril. it was saudi arabia in 1979 that with us started to arm and train those in afghanistan that brought us osama bin laden and 9/11. holding on to this idea that they're our military ally has only hurt us and it will continue to hurt us. >> that will be the last word on it tonight. thank you both for joining us tonight.
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girls to attend high school in malawi and the girl's graduation rate is half the boy's rate because the families are more likely to send one of their boys instead of one of their girls. there are hundreds of girls in high school in malawi right now. thanks entirely to your kindness. you've met some of those girls here on this show talking about their dreams of becoming doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, those dreams could never come through without your support. you can always help by going to lastworddesks.msnbc.com. and if you can't contribute anything, tweeting that link or posting it on facebook would help. thank you for your extraordinary outpouring of generosity again this year. the high point of my year is always my trip to deliver desk to schools and to meet some of the girls we're helping get through high school. it's a week of long days and
long trips throughout the country and there's nothing like the joy of a truck full of desks arriving at a school. ♪ >> and it has been a joy to work on your kind segments this season and i mean that in more ways than one because they've been produced by joy who joins us now on her last day of service to the team before he takes maternity leave for the second time. joy, fantastic to give us one more night before and it's like next week, right? >> yeah, on wednesday. the due date. >> i wanted you to be here for the totals. we're going to announce the totals of what we've done this season. the last time we updated the audience on the totals was
before christmas. we were at $9,699,053. so, joy, give us the update. what's the latest numbers. >> i have them right here and i'm going to hand them to you. >> i want you to do it. i want you to have the honor. >> absolutely not. this is definitely for you to do. >> big secret. by the way, this is why we didn't do updates after christmas because you wouldn't tell me. all right. the total now of everything we've raised, scholarships total is now $1,905,178, the desks tote since we began the program is now $8,604,870. which brings the total -- oh boy. the total we've raised since we began this, $10,510,048.
joy within you got us across the $10 million line. i never look up at goals on this thing. but i didn't think we were going to make it to $10 million, but you got us there. >> our viewers got us there. they're awesome. >> well you know, you just did a tremendous job of getting us through this. we couldn't do it without you. i don't know how i do the show without you. >> you'll be fine. you've done it before. >> thank you for everything you've done this year. we're going to be right back. we'll be right back all right. and congratulations, joy. congratulations lawrence. we are not done celebrating however. for all of you who have watched the success and the impact of the kind fun over the years, you're going to love the surprise. >> the joy conspiracy. >> the double joy conspiracy in full effect. >> i don't know what you guys are up to.
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all right. you have heard about the big news and the business surprise that we have in store for lawrence. yes eve been hearing about this for about 40 minutes. now i did surprise him with the news they was going to be taking over the f block of this show tonight. i have seized control of the situation. we're showing the feds how it's done. this is the takeover. the suspense is almost over for lawrence and you at home. the fitting way we're going to celebrate crossing that $10 million mark right here on the last word ostensibly with lawrence o'donnell. >> i stay right here? >> you can stay. fast relief. alka-seltzer plus severe sinus congestion and cough liquid gels rush relief to your tough symptoms. to put you back in control. [doorbell] woman: coming! alka-seltzer plus sinus.
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i tabut with my back paines, i couldn't sleep and get up in time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am. >> okay. all right. guys. it is finally surprise time on the last word. lawrence just announced the amazing news that the kind fund, thanks to your generosity at home, has crossed the $10 million mark over the holidays. now it's well own its way to $11 million. lawrence has been to malawi almost every year since the show launched but the most important trip was the first one he took in the summer of 2010 right before "the last word" launched. >> is this greatest hits? >> lawrence went to malawi with a vision to help students but he wasn't sure what could be accomplished. and there was someone else not sure what to expect as well. somebody who took you lawrence
to the first school to meet the students and to meet the need. it's someone who helped the kind fund to make the ideas, to make these ideas about this desks come true. it is somebody who was there for the very first delivery. someone who has seen the scene of celebration play out in countless schools. ♪ ♪ >> let's bring out our special guest all the way from the african continent has. here to hemp us celebrate more than $10 million in donations, here he is tonight eats "last word" guest. please be welcome and sit down. >> thank you so much for coming. so great that you're here. >> pleasure. >> there would be nothing -- absolutely -- where are you stationed now?
>> before we let lawrence talk, it's my honor to introduce to the "last word" audience, victor. >> i was in malawi for days and i found no way to have any desks made at all. victor took me to this place, what was then a little hardware store. and in the back room the motion who was running that place had one desk and one teacher's desk. and i said to him, could you make me 30 of those. it was wednesday afternoon. could you make them by friday for delivery. and he could. also the girls' scholarship idea was victor's idea. it was his idea. when we came back to do more when my daughter came, you sat us down and said, you know, it's time to think about how you might want to expand -- i could go on and on. we would have nothing. it's all victor. >> i would love to for you to explain to those at home who have not been following this,
explain why it is that people need to donate to get desks and also to get scholarships for girls in ma low we. >> it all started with an e-mail and then we had our first meeting with lawrence. and we tried to explain what the situation was in malawi. essentially you had, you know, you need to construct schools but we were buying desks but they were not enough. so we said to him, look, we've got these schools that we're constructing and we've got many other schools in a deplorable condition. would you like to see both schools. so we went, you know, to a school that had a good classroom structure but kids for sitting on the floor. and then we went to another school where the roof had been blown off and there was no concrete on the floor, kids were sitting on the ground in the classroom and they were also sitting under a tree. >> and school isn't even free. >> primary school you have to pay.
eight years of primary school you have to pay. kids enroll and by the time they reach 8th grade, only one out of four will actually reach. so they drop out for many reasons. but even worse, very few go on to secondary school. and it's secondary school they have to dig into their pocket to pay for school fees and so on. the challenges are completely huge, you know. and we understood very clearly that the desks were going to mean a lot to the kids. you cannot travel through malawi, go from school to school and not see kids sitting under a tree, you know, sitting on the floor. and they have to jump over incredible odds. but you know what? they get up every morning, every monday through friday within they're up going to school. >> walking miles, many of them. >> absolutely. 8 kilometers without shoes, you know. and sit in a classroom with about 100 other kids.
it's huge challenges. >> and i know that -- >> i'm telling you i would have accomplished nothing without victor, absolutely nothing. it was his guidance got this whole thing started in the right way. i had bad ideas about how to do this. he had the right ideas. and the girls' scholarship program was his idea. >> it all came together. up to that point unicef had been buying the desks but it wasn't the numbers that we needed. so when lawrence comes says look, we can equip these schools with desks -- >> thanks to this audience. >> we spoke to the officials and this is the largest procurement we've done of desks to the day. >> lawrence you're not a guy who focuses a lot on yourself. but you inspired so many people, my family as well to get involved. congratulation to victor. >> i'm here to say thanks to lawrence and his viewers. >> $10 million dollars,
it's 2016 and "hardball" has come to iowa and to hillary clinton. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in des moines where a pitched battle is on right now between the two party front runners, hillary clinton and donald trump. clinton accuses trump of a penchant for sexism. trump says this makes bill clinton fair game. all this is preview to my sitdown interview tomorrow night with secretary clinton. her first of 2016. the iowa caucuses are now exactly four weeks away and the two biggest races in american politics today is taking the stage tonight. donald trump is about to speak at a campaign rally in massachusetts. hillary clinton is here in des moines holding a town hall. katy tur joins us from trump's rally in massachusetts.