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imagined from their loved one would be taken from our lives by a bullet from a gun. every time i think about those kids it gets me mad. and by the way, it happens on the streets of chicago every day. [ applause ] >> the president at the white house this morning. we have team political coverage. chris jansing at the white house. pete williams in washington. luke reussert over on capitol hill. it was a moving moment and you could sense the emotion from the president. >> reporter: you saw years of frustration, kate, coming to the surface. really, newtown he called the worst day of his life.
he was with some of the family members just before that, in fact, i talked to somebody who was that room and they described him as passionate, that they were surprised at the level of emotion and something we have never seen from the president criticized a lot recently not showing enough emotion, particularly in the aftermath of the terror attack in paris. obviously, that was not the case today as he was unveiling a series of executive actions. he did 23 of them. after the shootings in newtown. he's doing it again. has acknowledged along with senior white house officials that there is a sort of narrow window what they can accomplish without congress. but in the face of not being able to convince congress to adopt much more sweeping proposals, that he made after what happened at sandy hook elementary, the president said today that he rejects the idea that we have heard certainly in a statement just this afternoon from the nra that what the
president's proposing wouldn't change anything. listen to more of what the president had to say. >> we know we can't stop every act of violence, every act of evil in the world. but maybe we could try to stop one act of evil. one act of violence. >> reporter: the fact of the matter is this is likely to face legal challenges. we saw it the last time the president did sort of sweeping executive actions on immigration. went straight to the court. in fact, the speaker of the house today put out a statement suggesting that this is likely to face legal challenges, as well. the president knows that this is fodder, as well, on the campaign trail and heard reaction even before the proposals laid out from 2016 republican presidential candidates but the white house firmly believes that they have public opinion on their side. they're hoping that this will start to move the needle in what they consider to be the right direction. kate? >> chris jansing at the white
house, thank you so much. while there's support for the president's plan in the east room today, he is also as chris said getting a great deal of criticism. nra saying, quote, this is what they have been hyping for how long now? this is the proposal they have spent seven years putting snogt they're not really doing anything. joining me now with a closer look at what exactly is being applauded and criticized, what's in the plan, justice correspondent pete williams. walk us through what the white house is proposing. >> centerpiece is getting more sales monitored by background checks and what the administration wants is to have more people who sell guns get federal firearms licenses to require them to have the background checks done for their gun buyers. the question is, you know, how is this any different? and the fact is that no one is required to buy guns or to get a license as a result of this executive action today that
wasn't also required to have a license yesterday. so the law doesn't change here. the requirement, the reach of it doesn't change. what this really is, kate, is a public education campaign trying to notify everyone who needs to get a license that they have to have one. the administration says it's possible that there are some people out there selling guns didn't realize they had to have it and hope people selling guns illegally and know it will decide not to do so and the best to hope for because they can't change the law. whether it's subject to a lawsuit, you know, you look at the nra statement. seems hard to build a case on the idea the administration isn't doing anything. i don't know who has legal standing to challenge them. i guess it would have to be -- i can't think of it to have the legal standing to challenge these. the distinction with the last time the president was sued over the executive action was the states sued because they said, texas, for example, said look at
the new immigrants to issue driver's license to. there's no new obligations here for the states. really in terms of background checks, no new obligation on anybody. and in terms of the other changes, some of those are already subject to rulemaking now. going through the process for well over a year. some will require congressional action like additional money for mental health treatment, hiring atf agents, some can take place almost immediately. the hiring is under way for more fbi people to handle the background checks but for the most part, you know, whether you agree with the view or not, the nra has it right. there's not a lot new here and that's a plus and minus for the administration. >> right. trying to thread the needle, right? trying to do as much as they can without overstepping. >> right. i think they really hope that this will be sort of raise the consciousness about the -- about what the law says of who has to get a firearms license and optimistic that that will make a change here and you can see that
their goals are not huge ones and the president says that we can stop just one illegal act, one mass shooting, and i think that's really an admission these are marginal changes and most without changing the law. >> pete williams watching it in washington, thank you. outspoken on the campaign trail today, republican presidential campaigns taking swipes at the president's plan. >> well, he's abusing executive orders. what he is doing is issuing these things and ignoring the legalities of it. >> won't solve any problems with the so-called gun show loophole be taken care of by executive order. the president doesn't have authority to do it. >> i think president obama's announcing new executive orders to try to go after our 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms. i can tell you right now the executive orders are not worth the paper they're printed on because when you live by the pen, you die by the pen and my pen has an eraser. >> that's a little bit from the
campaign trail. also, a lot of reaction from capitol hill. let's turn there now. nbc's luke russert watching it now. what are you hearing? >> reporter: kind of goes along the partisan fault lines, right? they say it's a necessary action because the congress is held hostage by the gun lobby, unable to move any substantial legislation in the wake of newtown and tried to move forward on a background check at gun shows and close the gun show loophole and filibustered and the republicans, however, continue on what was said on the campaign trail. really viewing this as executive overreach. i want to read you what the speaker of the house paul ryan said today. quote, rather than focus on criminals and terrorists, he goes after the most law-abiding of citizens, his words and actions amount to a form of intimidation that undermines liberty and no matter what president obama says his word does not trump the second army.
ultimately, everything the president has done can be overturned by a republican president, another reason we must win in november. that's from paul ryan. i was struck a little bit by that last statement that this could be undone by a republican president and that's why we must win in november. that's a very overtly politically thing for the speaker to say here. i don't remember john boehner going that far reacting to president obama. you are seeing where he's positioning himself alongside the republican candidates for the nomination and what will happen here, kate, you have a discussion of what the possible legal ramifications could be. the house tried to sue the president in the past. pete williams said he doesn't see how that's possible moving forward. i'm going to be interested to see what happens in the appropriations process. if president obama wants to get more atf agents, have that increase in funding for mental health, that has to be done
through the house appropriations process. republicans on the committee said they want a closer examination and add two cents to it and that part of the plan's needs congressional approval and lastly if anything you see more along the lines of this is the president overstepping the authority. an interesting set up to the state of the union next week and president obama will revisit the themes, kate. >> just next week now? already? >> reporter: yeah, right? >> yeah. time flies. luke, thank you. as we showed you top of the hour, it was an emotional speech for the president. before he took the podium to announce the executive action, he was pintroduced by mark barton. his son died at sandy hook and in the room, nicole who lost 6-year-old dylan same day. they join me now from washington. so nice to see you guys. thanks for being with us. >> thank you, kate. >> hi, kate. thank you for having us.
>> i want to ask you what it was like to be in that room, mark. through the television, it felt emotional. i can't imagine what it was like in there. >> oh, kate, it was incredibly emotionally charged. the room was filled to capacity with as i said champions and warriors in the effort, you know, to protect our children and make our communities safer. it was such an honor to be in that room and to of course introduce the president. >> nicole, critics on the right, you have heard it. we have been talking about it the last couple of minutes saying it won't accomplish anything, not enough and you have heard -- we have heard from many of the presidential candidates on the republican side. i want to play tape from jeb bush in a new youtube video he has out today. >> the protection of the 2nd amendment keeps us safe and keeps us strong. and we should do everything we can to enhance that right. law-abiding citizens trained to be able to protect themselves creates a safer america. there's evidence to this in every possible way and wreaks of
common sense, as well. >> many of them saying, nicole, the wrong step to take. they don't think it protects americans anymore. what do you say to the republican candidates? >> well, i would ask them what do they think is the right step then? this is not about taking rights away or taking away weapons. this is not about saying you can't buy weapons. this is about ensuring that people who shouldn't have weapons like criminals can't. so that's pretty common sense to me. >> there's an awful lot in this about bolstering the mental health and wellness system in this country which we all know and agree needs some work and help. >> i don't know if you heard pete williams talking about how this is incremental, the changes in his view aren't really dramatic, big changes. do you wish, mark, it went even further? >> i think considering the landscape with which we're working i think this is a huge step forward. and that's all we can do is take small steps forward.
you know, he's calling for $500 million to bolster our mental health and wellness system. he is talking about inviting the technology sector to work on making guns safer so children can't find them and kill themselves which is -- which we see that happen too often. he is working on enforcing the laws already on the books. so there's a lot of good, a lot of good work to be done in this. i think it's comprehensive, broad and, you know, it's going to be a little bit at a time. >> nicole, the last time we all spoke was right before the marking of the three years. back in december. i guess i wonder if you feel coming into this election year now that there is maybe some momentum off of what the president did today or do you worry that everything will have to wait until after election day? >> i think as a country we're seeing a lot of momentum. a lot of people after newtown said that the newtown affect
would fade away. this is a nationwide affect. it's a nationwide problem and the momentum continues to grow. i don't know that we'll necessarily seeive changes as w hope to see. we feel kus on the communities and state by state level and the president is taking action when other members of congress have refused to take action so we have to commend him for being the leader of our country and doing what's right for the constituents of his country. >> mark, clearly so moved today and it was with reference to your children that the president broke down. we saw the tears running down his face. >> this tragedy has reached all of us, kate. and at the end of the day, our president is a father. and like all of us, he's touched and moved by this. you know? we have met with him along the way and this is an important issue to him and his -- he's genuine in his efforts to try to
do something about it. >> mark, nicole, thank you so much for being with us again. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you, kate. i want to turn now to matt miller, he is former aide to attorney general eric holder. department of justice. matt, thank you for being with us. let's talk a little bit more about what these measures will do and put a number up on the screen, from harvard university, a research survey shortly going to be released. they did a survey of just over 2,000 gun owners and among them they found roughly 40% of those gun owners said they did not go through a background check. so 60% did. 40% didn't. why are so many not undergoing background checks right now? >> there are two things. one there are legitimate transfers. if you sell or give a gun to a family member, they shouldn't go through the check system and millions of guns every year sold at gun shows by people that
exploited the loophole. and because that haven't gone through the background checks and i listen to pete williams earlier say they haven't changed the law and that's right but i think what the president and department of justice have done is put people on notice if you're selling guns as a business, whether you're doing traditional brick and mortar store or online or doing it at a firearms show, we are going to treat you like a firearms dealer. and that means we are going to prosecute you vie latting potentially the law and if you don't put the guns through the background check system and that's potentially a huge change to affect millions and millions of sales every year. >> realistically, with these changes today, does that 40% number shrink significantly? >> it should. and it's, again, impossible to know how much it will shrink. the cdc has been prevented by congress for 20 years now from studying gun violence.
there aren't -- there isn't a lot of reliable data out there and 15 million to 20 million guns go through the federal background check system and apparently millions more that don't if you believe the harvard study and looking at the millions of guns, we know a number of them are sold at gun shows. we know a number of them are sold by people at gun shows and really acting as businesses and ought to be registered and ought to be going through the background check system and that should start happening now with at least a significant portion of that number. >> the president today also talked about making changes to allow better communication of states to federal authorities of people with a mental health background. can you explain that? why does that change in your view need to happen? >> sure. so what the law says now is that anyone who has been in voluntarily committed to a mental institution or who's been found not guilty of a crime by reason of insanity is not allowed to purchase a firearm.
but only two thirds of states actually require that information about those types of individuals submitted to the federal background check and others haven't being doing so fearing privacy, patient's privacy under the federal hippa rules. what the federal government did today is make clear that with respect to these people in these specific categories, it is not a violation of their rights and that information should be reported to the background check system that the fbi maintains and prohibit more people with mental illnesses from obtaining firearms. >> thank you for your time today. appreciate it. >> thank you. another u.s. service member killed in afghanistan as the taliban tries to regain momentum there. up next, what we know plus more on the role of u.s. special forces there. >> this does underscore that afghanistan is a dangerous place and that our men and women in
we continue to follow breaking news out of afghanistan. defense officials tell nbc news that at least one american service member was killed, two others wounded in two separate incidents in southern afghanistan. nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski's been following this story for us. when's the latest? >> reporter: well, kate, for a long time there was confusing and conflicting information coming out of afghanistan but senior defense officials tell nbc news that there was one u.s. special operations forces
soldier killed. two other americans wounded in an operation, a combat operation, along with some afghan special operations forces. now, the explanation from the pentagon and over in afghanistan is that those special operations forces, the americans, were in a train, advise and assist mode. but they were involved in combat which appears to violate the president -- president obama's all rules of engagement for u.s. troops in afghanistan. after all, they were withdrawn from the combat operations last january. more than a year ago. but officials here insisted that they still have -- that they were in line with those rules of engagement. not clear if that's actually the fact. and that the u.s. still has complete confidence in the capability and capacity of a -- afghan forces to take on the enemy, the taliban, and the
terrorist forces that still are operating there in afghanistan. but there's been a lack of progress. in fact, official report from the pentagon just a month ago say the situation there has deteriorated significantly over the last year and officials here say there are no plans to change the u.s. strategy so far in afghanistan. kate? >> jim miklaszewski at the pentagon, thanks so much. it is day four of that armed standoff on a federal wildlife refuge in oregon and local sheriff says it's time for the anti-government protesters to go. what they want and how it might end, coming up next. if you're le money on your medicare part d prescriptions, walgreens says, carpe med diem. seize the day to get more out of life and medicare part d. just switch to walgreens for savings that'll be the highlight of your day.
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>> on monday, ammon bundy said the group would use force only if law enforcement intervened. msnbc's tony deculpa with the latest of princeton, oregon. when's going on out there, tony? >> reporter: well, kate, as you mentioned, this press conference a few moments ago was not one that suggested this was going to speed toward resolution. ammon bundy said they're not going anywhere and reiterated two demands, one that federal land in the west which is mostly controlled by the -- in many states controlled by the federal government, transferred back the people to local governments and second the hammond brothers released from prison. the demands unlikely to be met. so the government is going to have to make a decision if and when they go in. earlier today and yesterday nbc news spoke with jim cavanaugh, a former atf negotiator and he said it could go to a steady ratcheting up of the pressure.
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that's what i'm doing. everybody else is in the witness protection program i've noticed. you have the stand up for a guy. saying the things he says and guarantees that a conservative is not elected president, that's wrong. >> oh my god. >> trump decided not to repeat the recent attacks against bill clinton last night in massachusetts after bill clinton avoided commenting on trump in new hampshire but today donald trump did address the relations with the clintons in a sitdown interview with "morning joe." here's part of their conversation. >> he was impeached. he wasn't allowed the practice law. he settled for a tremendous amount of money. i mean, you know, there's a lot of things going on there. and he calls me sexist. >> haven't they backed down? >> i don't -- i don't call it back down. looked like they did. i don't call it that because tomorrow they can start it up. i'm just saying this. it's fair game when they attack me. i'm going to attack them. if they don't, i would leave that off the table. >> we have full team political coverage.
team coverage, political coverage. katy tur following the trump campaign in new hampshire. steve kornacki with the latest poll numbers. katy, up in new hampshire, we heard a clip of "morning joe." donald trump still very happy to engage with the clintons. >> reporter: it seems that all is fair in love and politics, especially coming to donald trump. no matter that he went to the clintons' wedding, no matter he said nice things about the clintons in the past and now running against her or soon to be if he gets his way and calling her and her husband out saying that bill clinton is fair game because he's now come paining and hitting back because he's very angry about the allegations that he doesn't treat women well so this is how he's flipping the switch on hillary clinton. and whether it will be successful remains to be seen. according to supporters, something that resonates with them. you see a lot of people at these rallies, a lot of women
included, that have t-shirts saying hillary for president. there's no love lost between trump supporters and hillary clinton. so when he goes after her, even a very personal attack calling her enabling her husband bill, the supporters don't mind it and they like it. they're not fans of hillary clinton. and there is no line that donald trump can cross, at least no line yet, that will make them waiver in the support. >> let's ask you about the ad because we are getting reverberations of yesterday and the new trump ads in iowa and new hampshire and more back and forth on that today. >> reporter: so the controversy yesterday was that there was a video in that ad that sounded like it was supposed to be showing the u.s.-mexico border and in fact showing a morocco border, immigrants streaming across that. politifact figured that out. campaign responded to me no bleep it's not the u.s.-mexico
border but this is what we think america will look like if we don't build a wall. this morning michael cohen, big confidant and lawyer and said on cnn that it was a mistake to show that video and that he was going to be contacting the person who chose that video. well, he walked that back after it was a lot of surprise going against what the campaign manager had said, it was intended to show that video. he walked that back an hour ago saying he didn't really understand the question but upon reflecting or referring or talking to the campaign he now knows that it was intentional to use that video so rare moment of honesty in that campaign and they didn't all come out and say the same thing. have the same message, if you will. sorry. brain is not working in this cold. >> it is cold up there. a rare moment of someone saying the "m" word, mistake. thank you, katy. >> reporter: exactly.
>> a deeper dive in the poll numbers we mentioned with steve kornacki. they know that donald trump's lead, steve, nearly doubles that of the closest challenge, ted cruz. >> yeah, kate. remember when the experts telling us donald trump has a ceiling. 20%, 25% of the vote. here we are in 2016, the first poll of 2016, national poll. you see donald trump doubling up ted cruz. rubio, only other republican in double digits. ben carson, not long ago we saw carson challenge for the lead and fading out it seems. you have bush and christie sitting back in mid single digits now. some signs of strength here for trump. we'll start with that. take a look at the issue of intensity. voters were asked how committed are you? how sure are you that you're going to stick with this choice you have right now? over half of trump's voters you see there, 51% say they are with him to the end.
compare that to cruz and rubio. not nearly as sure. those voters are. 26% of the rubio voters say they're sure they're with him. that kind of intensity, here's a bit of a warning sign. another set of numbers here from this poll. evangelical republicans. half of all the republicans who are going to vote in primaries next year are evangelicals and nation al nationally, donald trump is doing well with them. here's the warning sign for trump, though. looking in iowa, iowa, we don't have -- this is not a new poll in iowa and the other polls on iowa out there have cruz leading and iowa filled on the republican side with evangelical christians and cruz team hopes to win iowa and the national number of evangelicals will reverse. win with evangelicals in iowa, parlay it to success nationally and something trump has to keep an eye on and also point out we looked at the democratic side, as well. that race is about where you
expect it to be. 17 points ahead of bernie sanders. 53 to 26 and still not getting any traction, kate. >> we just learned one little tidbit that's interesting to people. next week's state of the union, who will do the republican response? >> nikki haley, the republican governor, second-term republican govern nor of south carolina will be delivering that response. nikki haley, of course, very much in the news in 2015 taking down the confederate flag and some were resistant and long been resiz about the and nikki haley ordered that flag removed in the middle of the last year, a lot of positive publicity for that. certainly for republican party that is really still struggling to expand its base outside of white voters, this is something they like to put a more diverse face on the party.
nikki haley, sikh indian background and somebody they hope helps them in that direction. >> thank you so much, steve. nobody knows who wins iowa sh obviously, but jeb bush says he knows who won't win. donald trump. >> he's not going to win iowa. and if he doesn't win iowa, he will have a hard time here and if he doesn't win here, then the whole thing collapses. once the bubble's burst, then i think you see dramatic changes. the's my view. >> that as two of the other leading con tenders campaigned today. marco rubio responded to ted cruz's attacks on his immigration record with one of his own. >> when someone's views you as a threat, they attack you. you'll have to ask them why they're doing what they're doing. his position on immigration changed. he was open to the idea and supportive of legalizing people in this unillegally. he changed the position. he has a right. it's a different position.
>> joining me now by phone, political reporter and iowa aficionado tom beaumont. nice to have you. >> thank you, kate. >> let's talk about your take on iowa first. okay? a lot of questions about trump's ground game there, whether the supporters really turn out, whether the people that say they like him will show up and caucus. how do you characterize trump's iowa operation? >> it is hard to tell. he has people running the campaign with experience running statewide campaigns. his iowa director chuck laudner ran santorum in 2012 and he won and we forget because mitt romney declared the winner but he won iowa in 2012. when's interesting to watch trump in iowa, the last couple of events in border cities like davenport on the mississippi river from illinois and council bluffs, iowa, just across the
river from omaha. you hear cheering from people from states that aren't going to believe involved the caucuses. so there's people attending the events from different states. so it kind of gives you a false impression of what the popularity really is. like steve was saying, that intensity is very strong. at the same time, what governor bush was saying, there's a lot of truth to that. the first poll that we take is not a national poll. it's a poll of iowa voters and then a poll of new hampshire voters so, you know, we grind it down into these small states where there's a lot of voter contact and these people are going to know the candidates, much better than they know donald trump. >> let me ask you about the democrat real quick. clinton leading in the iowa polls and sanders saying his supporters are more motivated than clinton and a field operation and 100 paid staff members, 26 field offices there. who has the better ground operation and does it matter on
the democratic side? >> it does matter on the democratic side because the ground game, you actually need more bodies to push democrats because it's kind of like people say like herding cats. you know? it's easier to round up republicans than motivate democrats. hillary clinton has an exquisite ground game. people on the ground. bernie's people represent that vestige of obama followers from 2008 and a liberal element in iowa. far long time they elected and re-elected liberal tom harken and always a strong liberal tradition for sanders and in the end i think it's strength of the clinton campaign. >> tom beaumont with the ap, i have a feeling we'll talk a lot in the next couple of weeks. thanks so much. >> call me any time. thank you. >> we will. we call people. chris matthews talking one on one with hillary clinton tonight on "hardball." here's what she said just now
about donald trump. >> isn't this a republican party problem that started with trump's first arrival on the world stage as some sort of politician that it's ethnic with him. the president of the united states is one of the bad guys, one of the if not the terrorist, one of the sneaker inners and assumed an identity. it is pretty sick. >> very divisive and i think counter productive. it undermines our values, who we are as a people. we are a nation of immigrants which you know so well. and when i hear when's coming from the other side and not just one person. there's an echo cam ber there and very troubling to me to try to divide and conquer, divide and conquer. you know? house divided itself cannot stand. we need to be united and we should not reward people who use inflammatory rhetoric, who use the kind of derogatory comments, muslims or mexicans or women or people with disabilities. whoever it might be. that is not a sign of
leadership. that's a sign of, you know, showmanship, of desperation that should be rejected roundly by the american people. >> and you can see chris's full interview with hillary clinton tonight on "hardball" 7:00 p.m. eastern right here only on ms nblgs. casey hunt also just sat down for an interview with jeb bush up in new hampshire. following an addiction forum, the candidate attending there. joining me from hookset, new hampshire. >> reporter: it's nice the see you and an issue you've done so much work around and has become really something that's at the forefront in both parties in the new hampshire primary as this unfolds. jeb bush has a pretty personal story to tell about drug addiction. we talked about it this afternoon. >> talking about addiction which is becoming a major epidemic in this country and you've told it as a personal story. why do you talk about your
daughter? >> first of all, i've talked to her about it to make sure she knows that -- is she comfortable with this? she is. i'm proud of the fact she is in recovery and she is now a decade long in that pursuit. and i'm proud of the courage that she showed. i wouldn't be talking about it if she was uncomfortable with it, though. and i love my daughter. and i think telling -- putting a human context around anything makes it more powerful. >> reporter: looking back on how your family dealt with that experience, what would you do differently as a father knowing what you know now? >> i don't know. you know, one thing i learned because i have dealt with a lot of families going through this is you cannot blame yourself. you have to be there as a rock and you have to make sure that the loved one that's going through this knows that you have their back and cannot tolerate the kind of behavior to lead to, you know, a dangerous kind of outcome. so i think that's the best thing is to be strong on tough love
but make sure that it's the love is the part they hear. and stick with it. and be engaged. in terms of preventing this kind of stuff, you can look back and be engaged. we were talking about this. we now live in a lives of isolation. everybody's texting each other, they can be three feet away and instead of talking to them and engaging and a sense of their challenges, fears are, what their perceived inadequacies are. >> reporter: kids are alone with the screens. >> that was not noel's challenge but parenting requires being all in to anticipate problems before they happen. >> reporter: nbc's kate snow talked a lot of families of -- with children who have become addicted and many feel they don't have better treatment options than jail. what do you think needs to be done about that? how do you change that? >> treatment is expensive. and effective treatment, you don't know. there's no like consumer reports
where you can go. and addiction is incredibly complex because many times it's connected with mental illness at the same time. how do you know if it's the mental illness that triggered the addiction or the addiction that triggered the neurological change? i'm not an expert on this. and frankly, thiere are not a lt of people that are and you get all sorts of different diagno s diagnosis. bringing clarity to it would be helpful, to get better information. and look. we've got to fund these things. this is one of those issues where the demands on government overwhelm the costs of treatment if it's effective. bad treatment is a waste of money. but effective treatment and then am l recovery around that i think is the way to go. >> reporter: a good use of government money? >> absolutely, yeah. private money, private insurance has -- needs to expand. we have health, mental health
paroirity right now. there's dual diagnose no ses going on with addictions and mental health challenges. >> reporter: challenges. >> how would a jeb bush administration handle substance abuse issues differently than a donald trump administration? >> i don't know. donald trump's not going to be president. i have no clue what he would do. it's all talk. i can't answer that question. >> trump not here at this addiction forum in new hampshire today. although he will be campaigning nearby tonight. and jeb bush talking about his daught daughter noel who was sent to jail because of her struggle with drugs. >> and he's not the only one that was there. governor christie and a couple of others? >> christie was here, john kasich and carly fiorina. chris christie is probably the person who's gained the most
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deposition is not moving forward for tomorrow. let's bring in joe cam rata, who represents the seven women in this suit. joe, tell us what's happened today, this afternoon, the judge siding with the cosby side, saying they need more time? >> that's essentially it. i got notice that the court had ruled on mr. cosby's -- i should say, mrs. cosby's emergency motion to have the court prevent her deposition being taken now, so she can appeal the magistrate's ruling. magistrate judge hennessy entered an order saying that she was entitled to appeal his ruling and to afford her her right to appeal, he was going to put her deposition on hold until the appeal is heard and decided. >> and just to remind people how we got here, camille cosby and
their team of lawyers has been fighting against this deposition essentially, a while ago filing a motion to stop it, to quash it, to stop it from happening at all. last week, the judge basically took your side and said no, it's going to move forward, it's going to be on wednesday morning and now this is the judge saying i'm going to grant a stay while they appeal that decision. >> right. the judge didn't change his decision. he just said that, look, the judge made a decision. mrs. cosby wanted to eliminate her deposition. the judge said, no, under the law, the women are entitled to take mrs. cosby's deposition. that ruling still stands. the only thing the judge said was, okay, mrs. cosby wants to appeal my decision. i'll give her an opportunity to appeal it. if i allow her deposition to go forward now, and the appeal's not heard, her appeal is eliminated. so he decided that the correct
thing to do was to let her appeal, let it be heard and see what the u.s. district judge rules. if the u.s. district judge rules that judge hennessy was correct, we'll take her deposition. >> joe, why do you want so badly to speak with camille cosby? >> she has, we believe, information that's relevant to the issues in the case. she is mr. cosby's wife of some 52 years. she has information as his wife as to the nature and extent of his sexual liaisons with women who are not his wife. in addition, she's his business manager and has been for some time. mr. cosby claims that by the women coming out and accusing him of sexual misconduct, that he has lost income from contracts that were expected, or that he had. in particular, with netflix, or the one that was to come with nbc. and so as the business manager,
you can well imagine that the manager of the business knows something about the business they're managing. and as a result, she would have information that is relevant to the issues in the case. >> joe cama rata represents seven of the cosby accusers. we'll continue to follow this and have you back if and when things move forward. thanks so much. >> thank you. coming up at the top of the hour, the president's unilateral move to close the gun-show loophole. we'll see how gun buyers are reacting to today's executive actions. >> this is not a plot to take away everybody's guns. you pass a background check, you purchase a firearm. about a biologic, this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira helping me reach for more. doctors have been prescribing
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for 18 minutes of the shooter's movements on the day of the attack. nbc news chief justice correspondent pete williams has been following the developments. pete, we just had this press conference. what did we learn? >> well, quite a bit here. basically the fbi says it can't account for 18 minutes of time after the shooting, and then before the fbi started catching up with them when syed farook drove back to his house and they chased him and there was the shoot-out. it's 18 minutes in the afternoon and they don't know what the couple was doing. they know they were driving back and forth within a pretty well defined area in san bernardino, but they don't know why or what they were up to, and they want to resolve this question. it may turn out, the fbi says, that they weren't doing anything significant except trying to figure out what to do next. but until the fbi resolves this, they won't know the answer and that leaves them uncomfortable. they want to know what they were
doing. so they've built a timeline from the moment syed farook leaves his house in the morning, drives to the center where his fellow county employees were meeting, then leaves and comes back with tashfeen malik, opens fire on his colleagues. they go to the lake, and they searched and found nothing of interest to the investigation. after that, for 18 minutes, they don't know what they were doing. they eventually picked them up later in the afternoon, had the house under surveillance. the couple comes back, there's this chase and there's a shoot-out and it's all over. some other things they said today, they still believe there was no foreign direction to this plot, that it was inspired by terror organizations. they didn't say which ones. the fbi has said before that investigators don't know which terror group inspired it, but it
was not directed, they found no evidence that it was directed by a terror group overseas and they still don't know why the couple chose this target. you may recall early on after the shootings, there have been reports that syed farook had gotten into an argument, had some kind of workplace dispute with his fellow county employees. the fbi said today they found no evidence of that, no sign of disputes, no indication of arguments. they say they've seen pictures from the meeting before the shooting with farook, he doesn't seem to be angry or arguing. so they still don't know why this target was chosen, which would tell us in addition something they didn't say, which is that exploiting their cell phones and computers hasn't given them the answer to that question either, kate. >> i guess i watch too much homeland because i would have thought they could have tracked their cell phones or surveillance cameras or something.
>> they got rid of their cell phones and damages them to some extent. one of them is locked and they can't open it. and they've tried to build this timeline looking at surveillance cameras and traffic cameras to build their movements and that's helped them some. what they hope is that other people may have seen them or have cell phone video or other businesses have surveillance camera video from that day and that time and they're hoping they can get some additional information and resolve this mystery. >> pete, thanks so much. >> you bet. it was an emotional day at the white house today. the president rolled out his executive actions for tackling gun safety, aimed at preventing any further mass shootings. the president was flanked by family members of those who have been killed or injured in gun violence, as well as victims themselves and gun safety activists. the big take-away, more background checks for gun buyers. the president reinforced his support of americans' right to bear arms, but he became visibly
moved when he talked about the 20 first graders who were killed in the newtown shooting spree. >> every time i think about those kids, it gets me mad. and by the way, it happens on the streets of chicago every day. [ applause ] >> couple of people to get to now. chris jansing at at white house and cal perry here in new york. let's start with chris, our senior white house correspondent. we talked about this last hour. it was such an emotional appearance for the president. how much of that is tied to this being his final year in office, and he has said in the past how frustrated he is by not being able to make changes on this front. >> kate, clearly you saw the frustration has been building and it came out in a very emotional way today. he knows the clock is ticking, only a year left and he knows he's not going to get any
substantial gun laws throughout congress. he's been trying it since newtown. and he's been frustrated by the fact that he's had no success selling this to congress. he's doing what he can. these are incremental changes. nobody inside the administration are suggesting that these are going to be transformative. it's unclear how many people it will even impact, but the hope is that by changing essentially, or looking at what the definition is to be a gun dealer, that will mean more people who sell guns will have to get licenses and as a result of that, more people will have to get background checks. universal background checks, as you know, a lot of people thought afternewtown would go through and a filibuster in congress killed it. this has become a hot political issue. that's something frankly that gun advocates and the president have wanted. they want this conversation out there. they believe that the american people are largely on their side. here's more from the president. >> the gun lobby may be holding
congress hostage right now, but they cannot hold america hostage. we do not have to accept this carnage as the price of freedom. [ applause ] . >> reporter: and the president has a town hall that will be televised on thursday and you'll hear more about this next week at the state of the union. >> chris jansing at the white house. as the debate over president obama's executive action takes off, so do gun sales. joining me with more on that, cal perry, who's been keeping an eye on this. >> kate, the more that people talk about gun legislation, the more that gun legislation is anticipated by the american public, the more we see a rise in gun sales. take a look at the last 15 years and we can chart the spikes and really take a look at the obama presidency in many ways. the first bump in gun sales was september 2011. the second bump, people were anticipating stringent gun laws. and the last peak, that was last
month, 1.4 million guns sold in the country. and we can go a little bit here, state by state. take a look at the state of new jersey. this is when chris christie introduced legislation that would expand background checks and would ban certain rifles. just before that legislation passed, we see a 4% bump in the state in gun sales. same thing when you look at maryland and we hear this a lot in the democratic presidential campaign and just before the gun laws in maryland, we see a spike there in gun sales. so maybe a bit counterintuitive, but the more the president talks about this, the more americans go out and buy guns. smith & wesson stock is up 12% right now. >> cal, thank you. i'd like to bring in congressman mike thompson, chairman of the house gun violence prevention task force, a democrat. nice to see you again. it's been a while. >> thanks, kate, good to be on with you. >> i know you were there at the
white house today. you've probably heard already what the nra is saying about what the president is today, they say, this is what they've been hyping for how long now? this is the proposal they're spent seven years putting together? they're not really doing anything. >> so does that mean the nra is supporting this? >> i think they're criticizing this for being too little. >> as you know, i'm the co-author of the king thompson background check bill, a bill that was once supported by the nra, that would require background checks be conducted on all commercial sale of firearms. it's a bipartisan bill, almost 190 co-authors, democrats and republicans, overwhelming support throughout the united states of america. and we can't bring that bill up for a vote in the house. so i'd appreciate it if they think this is too little, they should jump on board and encourage the republican leadership to bring our bill up for a vote. if it came up for a vote, i'm
sure it would pass. >> is there any hope of any kind of action on capitol hill this year, in an election year? your speaker, speaker ryan, was critical of the president's plan. he said rather than focus on criminals and terrorists, he goes after the most law-abiding of citizens. his words and actions amount to a form of intimidation that undermines liberty no matter what president obama says, his word does not trump the second amendment. we will conduct vigilant oversight, his executive order will no doubt be challenged in the courts. speaker ryan being pretty political there. any hope of any middle ground? >> i'm certainly hopeful. i work on this just about every day. i'm committed to this. i'm going to keep pushing. i'm a bit mystified as to why the speaker is concerned about this executive order. it clarifies existing law, hopefully it will expand the number of people that have to
undergo background checks in order to get firearms. the executive order doubles down on our effort to make sure that the process runs efficiently. is going to bring in new personnel, additional personnel, to make sure that the next system works more effectively and efficiently, and he's called for greater funding for mental health programs, something that the republicans have been deferring to throughout this entire debate. whenever we bring up the background check bill, they say, no, it's all mental health. so here's an opportunity for them to live up to their commitment and help support some increased mental health. >> i was going to say, how do you get that funded? is that going to be a battle on capitol hill to try to get some of these measures required funding measures? >> make no mistake about it, congress has to act for the funding that would be required
for the boost in mental health. many of the critics of the president's proposal are going back to their position on mental health. if that's the case, i hope they vote accordingly and provide these monies. the work of congress is not done. the president's executive order expands the background check to some degree, but not to all commercial sales. i firmly believe that we need to have background checks for all commercial sales of firearms. that's up to congress to do. >> already, congressman mike thompson, thanks so much for joining us today. >> anytime. thank you. a deteriorating security situation in afghanistan. one american killed today, two injured while assisting afghan forces. the latest from the pent up next. -- from the pentagon up next. the medical bills - the credit card debt all piled up. i knew i had to get serious my credit. so i signed up for experian.
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the details are not clear, but it was one heck of a firefight as we learned here at the pentagon when officials told us that when two medevac helicopters, air force medevac helicopters approached the scene, one was waved off because of heavy ground fire, and a second one on the landing, apparently its rotor clipped a wall of some kind, so it's damaged, cannot be removed from the scene. but there's still some question as to why those special operations forces were involved in a combat operation. and those answers have not yet been satisfactorily provided. and this comes on the heels of a pentagon report that said that the security situation there in afghanistan has significantly deteriorated ever since last january when u.s. combat forces were taken off the battlefield. and a report only a week ago that said that the taliban and even al qaeda now occupy more
territory in afghanistan than they have since 9/11. still going to be a very tough road ahead, kate. >> jim, i'm thinking back to the fall, was it october when the president came out and said we're going to keep more troops in afghanistan and that they would be in a supportive role? they're not supposed to be out there on the front lines. >> that's right. and the question is now, not only keeping that number at about 9,800 with about 300 additional special operation forces, but will they have to increase the number of americans. so far officials here say that's not under consideration. but they are watching the situation closely. >> jim miklaszewski over at the pentagon, thank you. >> okay, kate. a community meeting is in the works for tomorrow night in oregon, amount mid the four-day stand-off with armed anti-government protesters. the latest on the siege up next. giggle, swerve, curve. lift, shift, ride, glide, hit your stride.
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wildlife refuge in oregon today. they're protesting the sentencing of two ranchers for setting fire to federal land. the ranchers' attorney say the protesters do not speak for their clients. earlier today the group's leader said they have a plan. >> we are implementing this plan. we have been in communication closely with many community members that are assisting us in that. and we see a time coming very soon where the community will begin to participate more in that and then begin to take that over so that they can claim their own rights so that they can begin using them and then they can stand strong enough to defend them themselves. and then we will go home. >> msnbc's tony dokoupil has the latest from princeton, oregon. the group has said they're there to help the people of harney county and not to intimidate
them. but what are local residents saying? >> reporter: well, hi, kate. the occupation continues here, but as day four comes to a close, lothere's a creeping sen that the movement may have missed their moment. the popular support they were hoping for has not materialized. members of our team went out to the streets, we talked to a mother whose child is not in school because of this movement. she's upset. we talked to an nra member as well. and there's a creeping sense that if something doesn't happen soon to reignite interest, these guys are going to have to move, and notably, there have been repeated calls for reinforcements for a patriotic cavalry to come in and help them hold this place. nobody's shown up. we've been here all day. >> you've done some reporting in the stand-off involving the
bundys a couple years ago, 2014, wasn't it? it has a different feel this time around, but this is a political question for some, about federal land and land rights. why do you think it's not resonated? >> that's a fabulous question. i think part of it is, it's miserable out here, very cold and rainy. the 2014 incident was a summer affair, there were bands playing, corn hole, it was almost like a barbecue. but that was an incident where cliven bundy was running his ranch and the government came in and said, we want to take our grazing fees and you better listen to us. in this case, the actor wasn't the government, it was the demonstrators. they came here, drawing the government into a clash. it wasn't the government going to fight with them or confront them. that's a key difference. and now the hammond family, the father and son that are going to prison for arson on federal land. no one thinks that a 73-year-old man should go back to prison for five years.
but at the same time, they don't think that justifies the occupation of a building indefinitely. >> tony, thank you. for more on this whole thing, let's bring in jim cavanaugh, former atf special agent in charge and msnbc law enforcement analyst. jim, good to see you. >> hello, kate. >> there's been a lot of debate on social media, so much that i can't synthesize all of it, but also "the new york times" this morning saying that, what if the oregon protesters were black or muslim? talking about what the debate would be if that were the case. there's also a headline from "the washington post" saying, terrorists, freedom fighters? oregon stand-off poses quandary for media. and one from the chica"chicago tribun tribune", why aren't we calling the oregon occupiers terrorists? who are these people in your mind? >> we would classify them in the
government as violent anti-government groups. vags. and we work them in the federal government as domestic terrorism. they're armed. they want armed confrontation with the federal government. some of them want to overthrow the government. some of them want to demand all the lands back from the government. some believe the government has no authority over them. but it all boils down to violent armed clashes with the government for what they want. so they're worked under the domestic terrorism rubric. whether or not they can be charged with domestic terrorism charges, with a federal crime of terrorism under title 18 remains to be seen by what they do, kate. they'd probably have to do some acts of violence. but certainly burglary, trespass, firearms violations, traveling interstate to commit felonies with firearms. there's a host of violations that may not be under the terrorism statute, but we work
those organized militant, militia, armed groups that espouse conflict with the government under the rubric of domestic terrorism. >> it would appear, based on what tony is seeing, that there's not a lot of law enforcement out there, they're not moving in on them. if you were law enforcement or atf, what do you do with this situation? >> i'd be doing just what the fbi and the sheriff is doing right now. they're doing it just right. and i would hope director comey would call the director of atf and the marshall service and get them involved for the long-term. the fish and wildlife special agents, the sheriff, the state troopers. co-ales that command and move gently forward. the sheriff is really doing a good job. he has six deputies, they're under great pressure from these crack pot militia men to stand up against the government.
they give death threats when they don't comply. any sheriff who throws in with these constitutional crack pots, false patriots, if you don't do what they say, they'll turn on you with the death threats. and this sheriff is a good sheriff, he's doing right by his community. and i think so are the federal agents. look, these are guys, kate, that live in the greatest democracy in the history of the world, and they say they're oppressed. they're so oppressed, they've season over a federal reservation and no federal agents have shown up for four days. that's how oppressed they are. they live in a fantasy, they want a violent confrontation and law enforcement has to be very strategic and careful. as to your first point about the questions from "the new york times" and "the post" about black americans and muslims. i would hope that every confrontation, where there's not violence already would be handled gently, circumspect with only the amount of force necessary, and slowly, carefully
negotiated if it can be. >> always good to see you, jim, thanks so much. >> thanks, kate. gulf nations calling an emergency meeting this weekend amid worsening tensions with iran. cnbc spoke with the saudi foreign minister about the escalation. we head to riyadh in just a moment. you focus on making great burgers, or building the best houses in town. or becoming the next highly-unlikely dotcom superstar. and us, we'll be right there with you, helping with the questions you need answered to get your brand new business started.
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foreign minister, what did he have to say? >> hey there, kate. i did have a chance to catch up with the saudi foreign minister and i asked him what needs to be done to resolve this crisis with iran, that this is a country that's very angry. so angry, taking their complaints to the u.n. and i asked him, what comes next? take a listen. >> we see nefarious activities all over the region. so we've had grievances with them which we have made clear to them. we've tried to engage the iranian government on this issue. we have told them that if they want to have good relations with members of the international community, they should cease and desist activities that are hostile or aggressive. unfortunately, this is not what we have seen. so this latest round was where
we just said enough is enough. we have to make a stand. our public will not tolerate continued iranian aggression without a response. so the response we took is to cut off our relations with iran and close down iran's embassy. very simple. iran should back off, stop being aggressive, stop interfering in the affairs of their neighbors, they should stop supporting terrorism. isn't that what all of us around the world want? >> and kate, as of this evening, this is the deadline for iranian diplomats to be out of saudi arabia, and the bigger question, of course, going forward is how much will be enough to bring these two countries back to the negotiating table? you have to remember, they're talking about big issues, syria and yemen, a country that's at war in yemen and they're doing that in response to actions they say, we were provoked, these
houthi rebels who are supposedly iranian backed. i asked him also about the islamic state and shouldn't that be taking precedent in the talks, and he basically told me that he doesn't even think that iran is very interested in taking on the islamic state at all. >> hadley, thank you for sharing that with us. turning now to presidential politics, with the iowa caucuses fast approaching, ted cruz was in the hawkeye state today, warning that, quote, the silly season is over and now it's time for iowans to choose. >> you know, we've been through the silly season of the campaign. we've been through the media games, we've been through the attacks and the mud-slinging and this next month, it's going to get worse. y'all are going to see millions and millions of dollars of tv ads, of mailers. the nice thing about mailers, they make great kindling in your fireplace. they really do light up fast. but the stage for the silly season is over. this is our time now.
>> and hillary clinton is in iowa today where she just began a town hall, but don't expect her to talk about donald trump. here was her response yesterday when she was asked about trump's accusation that in his words, she created isis. >> i've adopted a new year's resolution. [ applause ] i'm going to let him live in his alternative reality and i'm not going to respond. >> but if clinton is taking a hands-off approach to the republican front-runner, donald trump shows no signs of stopping his attacks to both hillary and bill clinton, the former president. back with me now with all the latest, msnbc anchor and correspondent steve kornacki. my favorite part of that whole thing was when he said, mailers make good kindling. i guess he didn't mean his mailers. >> probably not. this has been the big story,
obviously in this campaign, on the democratic side and the republican side the last couple of weeks, this very public battle between hillary clinton and donald trump. and donald trump brought former president bill clinton into it. hillary clinton is not the only one who doesn't want to be talking, it seems about this right now. bill clinton was in new hampshire yesterday and given chances to engage with donald trump publicly. he refused to. what does donald trump make of it? in an interview that's going to be airing on this network tomorrow morning, on morning joe, donald trump addressed in his mind why he went after bill clinton in the first place, why he thinks the former president is fair game and what he thinks it would take to keep going after bill clinton the rest of his campaign. this is what he had to say, take a listen. >> two days ago, the clinton team said they were going to punch back, they were going to fight you. there was this back and forth as hillary clinton suggested that you were sexist, you responded using her words against her husband. it seems, if you look at the clintons yesterday on the
campaign trail that they've backed down. is that how you see it? >> i don't see it any way. >> but they're not attacking you anymore. >> i was attacked nine times during the debate. hillary called me sexist, that i had an inclination. what does she know about me? i had an inclination. when she said that, i said your husband's now combini campaigni open season. if he weren't campaigning, and if he weren't a past president, i'd leave the spouse out of it. but he's campaigning for her. so all i did, don't forget, he lost his law license, he was impeached, wasn't allowed to practice law. he settled for a tremendous amount of money. you know, there's a lot of things going on there. and she called me sexist. >> but haven't they backed down? >> i don't call it that. because tomorrow they can start it up. i'm just saying this, it's fair
game, when they attack me, i'm going to attack them. if they don't, i would leave that off the table. >> you're saying today, you're only going to bring up bill clinton's past history as a possible sexual harasser if she accuses you of being sexist. >> sure. that's what it's all about. that's what it was. had nothing to do with isis. with isis, she lied. >> so if hillary clinton attacks you on economics or foreign policy, then bill clinton's not fair game in that round? >> yeah. >> it's only if she accuses you of being sexist? >> he would be fair game if he says things with regard to foreign policy or other things that i disagree with. >> it is interesting, kate. whether it was talking about isis or talking about sexism, it was hillary clinton a couple weeks ago who made that decision to engage with donald trump publicly and now it's hillary clinton and bill clinton who seem to want nothing to do with
that public fight, at least for now. >> if people want to see hillary clinton's point of view, that's going to be tonight. chris matthews talks with her one-on-one, 7:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. let's head to new hampshire now. katy tur follows the donald trump campaign. we're just getting word, katy about a backer of ted cruz who seems to be defecting to the trump side? >> yeah. new hampshire 1 is reporting that new hampshire backer andrew hemingway is now abandoning cruz and backing trump and that he's going to be his at claremont event tonight. this is very interesting, because you very rarely see anybody leave another candidate to go to donald trump. usually when you go to a donald trump rally it's donald trump who is front and center. so if this is true, i imagine donald trump will use that to his advantage tonight and highlight him. but he will be here, he's going to say he's going to be rallying in new hampshire for every monday until they vote here. he's making it a priority. but then again, donald trump is
making all the states a priority right now, because he seems to be going across the country equally. in massachusetts yesterday. in vermont on thursday. there are states there are earlyish states, they vote on march 1st, part of super tuesday. so while they may not be the traditional schedule that other candidates are doing, which are really focusing on new hampshire or iowa right now or even south carolina, donald trump is banking on being places that nobody is going. and all the national attention he's getting is going to bleed over into any state that he needs it to bleed over into it. he's not just getting local media attention when he goes to these places. >> and when's the event tonight? a couple hours from now? >> 7:00. >> we'll watch for that. katy tur, thanks so much. jeb bush also spent the day in his favorite state of new hampshire. first delivering a speech in derry. later talking about the drug epidemic and addiction on a forum at addiction and heroin.
kasie hunt is there covering the bush campaign. you had a chance to talk with the candidate just a little while ago. >> kate, that's right. we talked a little bit about his daughter's struggle with drug addiction. so it's very personal for bush. he was speaking to an audience that was made up largely of people who had in many cases lost a child to drug addiction or had a child incarcerated over it. so an emotional day from that perspective. but the overarching fight here in new hampshire is starting to come down to a battle among establishment figures. you have john kasich, chris christie, jeb bush, potentially senator marco rubio all fighting it out for that establishment lane, as we sometimes shorthand it. and a lot of the fire now is being directed at chris christie. he's seeing a little bit of a bump here because of this series of town halls that he's been doing. he's been here for many months, done a ton of these events. marco rubio's super pac has a couple ads up on the air attacking him. when i spoke to jeb bush this
afternoon, i asked him whether or not he thinks chris christie is a better politician than he is, and that's why he's doing better. >> do you think that governor christie is a better politician than you are? >> no. absolutely not. and i have a better record. >> why is he getting traction with his town halls here? >> we'll see. i don't know if you've seen the town hall meetings we've had. he's a good guy, for sure. but i've got a proven record. my record is one, as a conservative, applying conservative principles and moving the needle in the right direction. i don't think he can make that same claim. our pension was close to surplus, he has significant challenges. we led the nation in job growth 7 out of 8 years. that didn't happen by osmosis or the fairy godmother came down and made it happen. that required changes in policy. so i like chris christie, i think he's a talent for sure,
and he's my friend, but i have a better record. >> i have a better record. bush taking it to christie pretty aggressively. he's sometimes hesitant to attack other candidates, but was pretty ready with a set of talking points against christie. now i was at a christie town hall last night and he was asked about the credit downgrades in new jersey. his response is that he inherited a bad economy from his democratic predecessor. kate? >> kasie hunt, thank you. the eight causes of trumpism, the atlantic explains next. has a number. but not every insurance company understands the life behind it. for those who've served and the families who've supported them, we offer our best service in return. ♪ usaa. we know what it means to serve.
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are stronger and deeper than most veteran analysts acknowledged. they were neither immediate nor transitory phenomena. the disdain for the status quo, for authority figures of both parties and other institutions, and the anger at exkporable changes in society, are real, enduring and especially deep on the republican side. why do you think so many didn't recognize that before? >> i think there's a tendency to look at past history and assume that it's going to happen again. the world is a different world now, partly because of the nature of modern mass media and social media, but also because of the enduring impact of this recession. after the bail-out especially and the populism that emerged and along with that, a set of larger forces that go back to newt gingrich and the 16-year campaign to create a republican majority in congress that i
think have been dismissed to some degree, by a lot of people who have looked at this. and the assumption was that this is just another bombastic candidate, we've had plenty of them. he'll emerge for a little while and then fail. but it's a larger phenomenon. ted cruz say significant part of this. and the point you were making just a few minutes ago, that consistently, since the beginning of this campaign exercise, 60 to 70% of republican voters, whether it's all of them, or the most active ones, choose outsider candidates. 20% choosing the establishment figures. that's real and it's big and it's deep. >> i don't have time to go through all eight of your points, but you start with newt gingrich and somewhere along the way, you put some blame on us, you say the cable news environment has also helped donald trump. what are you talking about? >> it starts with roger ails who developed a new business model that was more of a tribal model. but msnbc and cnn, have for
understandable commercial reasons, focused on trump in a way that they haven't on all the other candidates combined. you can say he's the front-runner. hillary clinton is also a front-runner. you guys don't stop everything to cover every town meeting that she has much less any of the other candidates, and it inflates him in a way that makes him a larger phenomenon than he otherwise would be. that's true not just of cable news but also of the print medium. a washington post reporter confessed to me that hits go up dramatically on their website when they talk about trump. so they talk about trump. >> norm, it's a fascinating read. we'll post it on my twitter page. >> wonderful, thank you. >> for people who want to read the whole thing, it's worth read. thank you. >> markets ended the day mixed after ending sharply lower
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including three children washed up on the turkish coast today. an estimated 3,700 people died trying to cross the mediterranean. my next guest made a similar journey a decade ago, he was 12 years old when he left his home in afghanistan. in the lightless sky, he chronicles his 12,000-mile journey, fleeing war-torn afghanistan. he's with us now. thanks so much for coming in. i was saying, the book is quite a read. i saw you cringe when i just said that there were people who died today, refugees trying to get to europe. when you think back on your journey and the flashes of memory come up, tell us quickly, what are the flashes that you see? >> i think what i see is that people are drowning in the see, about 4,000 were killed in the mediterranean. it reminds me of my journey. i was in the same water, i was supposed to die. but i managed to survive somehow.
here i am after nine years. it keeps me awake when i see, children, and women and men. the situation is getting worst, not better. >> i would think you must have a lot of post-traumatic stress. you describe being on trains, in cattle cars, being kept in chicken coops, in the roof of a train to hide. it's unbelievable. >> the sad reality, it happens even now. i wish i didn't have to take the journey and write this book, but i hope to give a message of hope, but also a message to create awareness and to inform people of what people go through when they make the journey to europe or the u.s. >> what do you think europe ought to be doing that the flood of refugees? >> what we are doing is not enough, it's not morally and legally, we should do more and could do more to welcome refugees and give them protections and treat them with dignity. they're humans like us, but face
very difficult challenges and circumstances. a mother would not send her 12-year-old son away. so it's not easy. i wish people would understand in europe, the british government and the u.s., to do more not only to help welcome refugees, but also do more in the countries who are already taking refugees. >> you're familiar with the political climate in the u.s. right now, and that some candidates are calling for restrictions on refugees. donald trump is calling for a ban on muslim immigrants to this country. you feel strongly about that. >> it's unbelievable. a country like the u.s., should be leading in the humanitarian world. it's what the u.s. stands for. it's built on immigrants. it's the most diverse cities in the world. and america is what it is because of immigrants and refugees are people who are fleeing the same terror that we're fighting and here we are, it's an insult to compare refugees with terrorists. the people fleeing syria are
fleeing the islamic state and to say they're similar, is really unfair and really wrong. >> it's your first trip to new york. i hope you get a chance to enjoy the city a little bit. thanks so much for your time. the book is called "the lightless sky." that's it for this hour of msnbc live. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's tuesday, donald trump and ted cruz are leading all the polls. so why are marco rubio and chris christie taking all the heat? and since when did the bronze medal in new hampshire become more expensive than gold? this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. every day i shake my head in astonishment at how this republican race is turning out. we kicked off 2016 saying this is only