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including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. talk to your doctor and visit humira.com this is humira at work. good morning, i'm tamron hall. we start with breaking news here on msnbc. a man armed with a knife and fake he saexplosives in france. he had a paper with an isis flag on it. this unfolding a year ago after the "charlie hebdo" paris
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attacks. we'll have a live report coming up for you. we want to start things off, though, with new developments on the campaign trail where donald trump stepping up his attacks on republican rival ted cruz by continuing to question cruz's citizenship. and now other prominent republicans including former presidential candidate senator john mccain are piling on. trump continues to fuel doubts about cruz's electability, now suggesting that ted cruz who was born in canada go before a judge to determine whether he's actually qualifies as a natural-born citizen. >> if ted should eke it out, and i hope that doesn't happen, and he's got this cloud over his head, i don't think it's going to be possible for him to do very well. he should ask for a declaratory judgment because that would clear it all up. i'm doing this for the good of ted because i like him and he likes me. we have a good relationship. >> the supreme court has never really ruled on what is a natural born citizen. >> that's the problem.
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there's this doubt. people have doubt. >> senator cruz is pushing back saying the question is settled as a legal matter and he even cites previous examples like john mccain who was born in the canal zone, but senator mccain thousand is quickly dismissing any comparison saying there's a big difference between him and cruz. >> i know it came up in my race because i was born in panama, but i was born in the canal zone, which is a territory. barry goldwater was born in arizona when it was a territory when he ran in 1964. >> but you were born on a base, too, weren't you? >> yeah. >> okay. >> it's a u.s. military base. >> yeah. >> that's different from being born on foreign soil. so they think -- i think there is a question. i am not a constitutional scholar on that, but i think it's worth looking into. i don't think it's illegitimate to look into it. >> cruz's presidential rival senator rand paul also weighing in on the birther question surrounding cruz. here's what he said. >> i think without question, he is qualified and would make the
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cut, you know, to be prime minister of canada, absolutely, without question, he's qualified and he meets the qualifications. >> as you heard donald trump say, he is not trying to undermine cruz, saying that he likes ted cruz. well, this morning even went so far as to praise cruz on twitter for announcing his canadian citizenship 18 months ago. covering it all from the campaign trail, hallie jackson and katy tur. >> hallie joins us from iowa where ted cruz's bus tour is right now, traveling throughout that state. hallie, this is very interesting. you have donald trump saying, listen, i like this guy. i'm just bringing this up for his own good with friends like that, do you really need enemies? and now you have someone like john mccain saying there is a legitimate question here and big differences. >> reporter: and just moments ago, tamron, a campaign aide for the cruz team indicated that there would be no response, at least not at this point to john mccain's most recent comments.
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you talk about, though, this idea that mccain and cruz, mccain's not giving cruz any backup here, this should be zero surprise to anybody who's followed politics. we talk about a political bromance between trump and cruz. there is no bromance at all between mccain and cruz. john mccain, as you know, called him a wacko bird on the senate floor a couple years ago, has apologized but no love lost between the two of them. cruz, meanwhile, will be dealing with this question over the next couple of days as this news cycle plays out. what he wants to be focusing on -- >> obviously we're experiencing some technical difficulties as hallie is in pocahontas, iowa. let's go to katy tur. she's also, of course, covering the trump campaign in burlington, vermont, where there's growing concern about a huge crowd expected at trump's rally tonight. the campaign apparently issued, katy, 20,000 tickets for a venue that seats 1400. before we talk about that, let me get your follow-up to what hallie was discussing. donald trump floating this idea of ted cruz having some birth
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issues, some electability issues as it relates, and now you have john mccain, in a sense, aligned with donald trump. >> reporter: donald trump could not have planned it any better. this is good news for him to have john mccain jump on the bandwag bandwagon. in fact, just a couple hours ago, he tweeted that john mccain is no friend of ted cruz. so now he's able to bring up the birth issue, have it cover the press. people are talking about it. and now he can blame it on john mccain, say that i never attacked but mccain is. so it's really a perfect scenario for donald trump who's trying not to alienate cruz supporters and trying to maintain that unofficial detente between him and cruz. he's able to attack him in this way without really attacking him. >> well, you know, listen. i know that some have defined it really really attacking, but once you say there's an electability issue and that if he's elected, this could be tangled up in the legal system for two years, to me, that seems like a direct enough hit. with that said, how is donald
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trump going to pick this up? you saw when he was accusing the president of the united states, president obama, of not being born in the united states, he wanted to see the birth certificate, what do you see is the next step and putting some heat on ted cruz here, now that the opening is there? >> reporter: yeah, i think that definitely it is a direct attack. and anybody who's looking at it head on is going to say that yes, donald trump is attacking him. but donald trump is able to make it vague enough that he can convince his supporters and convince ted cruz supporters that he's not necessarily the bad guy in this scenario. to think that donald trump is going to go further and demand a birth certificate or canadian passport? no, i don't think so. now being many contain is putting the heat on him about the question's out there. it's being blanketed in the press. if he brings this up tonight, i think it's going to pin it on mccain saying mccain is no friend of cruz, but he's going to bring it up. i don't think he's going to go any harder at the moment because, again, he doesn't want to alienate those cruz supporters.
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we've all been talking about the potential for a trump/cruz ticket. of course, it's so early on, and nobody's won any states or won any delegates or won any votes yet. so it is still a tenuous situation. he's walking a fine line. and he's got to be able to maintain his alliance while at the same time questioning where he's from. i think in some ways it is a brilliant attack. >> he would not ask ted cruz for a birth certificate because ted cruz was born in canada which he admits. it's whether or not he's a natural stacitizen. it's interesting with this tweet sent out by trump reminding people that it was only before ted cruz decided to run for president that he renounced his citizenship, his canadian citizenship. that, again, is passive-aggressive behavior from donald trump. >> reporter: definitely. >> just to say it was a wise move, but by the way, he didn't do it until he was getting ready to run for president. >> reporter: and he did the same thing with ben carson, that same sort of attack.
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what he did, there's a lot of questions surrounding ben carson's life story, a story of religious rebirth. there's a lot of questions. and he brought it up. and he saw how it played. and that's when he started to attack him further. that's how he does his attacks. when he doesn't feel like he has the position, the higher ground to go for a direct attack, what he does is he says everyone's talking about it. and he's able to say that it's not me bringing it up. it's everybody else. so this is the way that he operates and was very successful with ben carson. whether he'll be successful with ted cruz remains to be seen. you can already tell it is rattling cruz. >> absolutely. thank you, katy. at least one democratic congressman has already threatened to file suit if cruz does become the republican nominee. so where does this go, and the larger point, will it matter to some of the most conservative voters of republicans out there? msnbc political correspondent steve kornacki has been looking into it. what's interesting is this group of people who largely support donald trump, when surveyed in the past, many of them still
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don't believe barack obama was born in the united states. so they are among the most conservative of the republican party. so how will they handle the ted cruz issue now that already one democrat says if cruz gets in, they're filing a lawsuit? >> well, it's an open question. there hasn't been any polling on the republican side about how republicans feel about the issue specific to ted cruz. there's some skepticism, i can tell you, we're all kind of guessing here how this will be received. but there's some skepticism that those same voters you're describing will have that same attitude when it comes to ted cruz. when it comes to somebody who's part of their own party, somebody who in a lot of ways they trust on the issues. they trust sort of has their backs in washington to begin with. and in fact, there's some thought out there, and this is purely anecdotal i can tell you. but when i look at reactions on twitter, for instance, reactions on facebook, reactions on social media, i have noticed over the last year or two that it seems the people who are pushing the ted cruz stuff, the ted cruz canadian birth stuff, the
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hardest are actually people on the left. and i've wondered if that's sort of the left looking for a way to get revenge on the right for what it -- for pushing the obama issue in the first place. so it's something that hasn't been tested, hasn't been resolved yet. one thing i can tell you is a place that ted cruz cannot be looking to get any cover on this right now is a place that john mccain looked when his own birth -- his own eligibility came into question a little bit back in 2008. john mccain, as you said, was born in the panama canal zone back in 1936, a military installation. when those questions were raised in 2008, mccain got the entire united states senate, democrats and republicans, to vote unanimously for a resolution that said there is no question here, he is absolutely eligible to be president of the united states. as you say, ted cruz has a longstanding conflict with john mccain. john mccain clearly relishing turning the tables a bit here on ted cruz and bringing this issue up. but it's not just john mccain who ted cruz has problems with, united states senate.
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a few months ago on the senate floor cruz basically called mitch mcconnell, the republican leader in the tsfasenate. you cannot see the senate coming to his defense like it did with mccain. >> i want to get you locked up in the legal part of this if this is going to be pursued, but according to what we have out there, most legal experts say natural-born citizen means someone who's a citizen from birth and does not have to go through the naturalization process. to become a citizen. cruz has said he never went through that process. i am curious to see if he, you know, brings out some legal statement or says beyond his own legal expertise, his own law background that he and his campaign have consulted and here are the facts to counter the point that's being made by senator mccain, even though they are not friends, even though they're not acquaintances of any sort, it seems, what john mccain said about u.s. territory versus being foreign born, some people certainly may pick up on today. >> and you know, it's true right there, and it never actually has
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been tested in the courts. i mean, there's that distinction, as you say, that mccain is trying to draw where he says, look, it wasn't in the continental united states where i was born, but it was a military installation. the only real example that i can think of in history here, you have to go all the way back to the late 1970s to 1980, weicker was a senator from connecticut who wanted to run for president in 1980. he was representing the state of connecticut, but he was actually born to american parents who were in paris at the time of his birth in 1930. and lowell weicker said at the time he actually decided not to run for president. he took all the steps and then backed out. but he said it was an issue that was coming up a lot. people were asking him about it. he said he was not going to go to court at the time to try to get a ruling. he said i'll wait to see if my opponents cal led s challenge i. >> thank you very much, steve. let's head now to iowa from bill clinton will campaign on behalf of his wife, hillary clinton, this afternoon. clinton's trip comes days after similar campaign stops in new hampshire where he carefully
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avoided any mention of donald trump. nbc's kristen welker is in cedar rapids, iowa, where bill clinton will be campaigning. and kristen, we certainly know that politicians will change the style of speech they give in new hampshire versus what they give in iowa. chuck todd made the point that we may see that more folksy bill clinton what he says here in iowa. >> reporter: that's absolutely a great point, tamron. and i'm told that he's not going to be in attack mode today. i think we might see the former president get a little bit more aggressive in the coming weeks as we get closer to the votes being cast. i got a little bit of context from one of former president bill clinton's aides just moments ago who tells me today in iowa, president clinton will continue to remind voters what's at stake, why it's important we elect a president that won't undo all of the progress we've made and why he believes hillary clinton is the candidate best qualified to be president. no surprises there, but he's really echoing some of the themes that we've heard from secretary hillary clinton on the
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trail. and as you point out rightfully, tamron, the clintons so far avoiding all of that criticism from donald trump. donald trump, of course, has been incredibly critical of the clintons in recent days, particularly bill clinton and his past transgressions when he was in the white house. they have dodged all questions about that topic. it's the last thing they want to be talking about, really. meanwhile, as for secretary hillary clinton, she was out in las vegas last night at a party dinner. she looked squarely past her own primary toward the general, taking on republicans. take a listen to what she had to say. >> if the republicans weren't worried, then why are hedge fund billionaires already running ads against me? you know why? they know i will stand up to them and defeat their right-wing top-down agenda that is bad for america! and we're not going to let it happen! >> reporter: so a fired-up hillary clinton last night in las vegas. it really speaks to the strategy
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that we're seeing right now from the clinton camp. she's starting to make her closing argument as we get closer to the iowa caucuses. she got a bit of good news today, an endorsement from the cbc chairman. so that is certainly in good news from their camp. and that's a real vulnerability for senator bernie sanders. she outpaces him when it comes to minority voters, african-americans, latinos, and that could hurt him in a state like nevada. he is making a strong play, by the way, for nevada. he's set up more than twice the offices that the clinton campaign has set up there. and they expect the polls are going to narrow here in iowa. of course, he has a little lead over here in new hampshire. so this democratic primary still very competitive, but again, secretary clinton seems to be looking beyond it, at least in a lot of her public statements. >> kristen welker, thank you. let me bring in ed rendell, former pennsylvania governor and msnbc political analyst. governor, thank you so much for your time. >> morning, tamron. >> you heard that speech from hillary clinton last night, a rousing speech she gave there. from what you were seeing and really compressing the last few
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days of her reaction or lack thereof to some of the things donald trump has said, do you believe that she is getting stronger at this point, getting more confident? >> i think so. and she's wise to ignore trump. criticism of donald trump in the democratic primary is a plus. so there's no question about that. she's the one who's been getting most of the criticism. so it's a plus. so she's well suited to leave it alone. in terms of what she said in that clip you played, i think she's trying to remind people that she isn't the captain of money interest in wall street, that she is going to go after the hedge funds. she's going to get rid of loss carry forward which allows them to pay very little taxes. she's going to do things that are in step with what democratic voters want, more treatment -- equal treatment of people by the tax code and by our financial system. so i think it's wise for her to ignore trump, go after the hedge
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funds, go after income inequality in her speeches. >> you mentioned where she stands in her message, getting fine-tuned in income inequality. you still have the issue of senator elizabeth warren who has yet to endorse hillary clinton, kind of staying on the end zone, in the end zone area at this point. what do you believe is happening there, and how important will she be to hillary clinton, the sooner the better, even? >> well, i'm surprised. every democratic woman senator except for elizabeth warren strongly endorsed hillary clinton. and these are senators who foe her from her work in the senate. i'm very surprised that elizabeth warren. i don't think it's going to matter. look, bernie sanders -- and don't underrate bernie sanders -- i think bernie sanders has actually taken up the space that elizabeth warren used to take up in our party. bernie has caught the imagination of the people on the progressive left side of our party who really think this
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issue is the defining issue, and bernie's done a very good job. he's going to be competitive in iowa and in new hampshire and maybe in nevada as well. so no, i think hillary clinton has got a fight on her hands. those will be three tough primaries in the beginning. when it gets down south where there will be african-american voters, hillary clinton is doing extremely well with african-american voters. >> let me ask you also, the beginning of the week, the first solo campaign appearance from bill clinton there. now we have him in iowa. i was thinking about the book that you wrote, the title of it we know, "a nation of wusses. ." i was comparing it to some of the things we've heard from trump. if we are going to continue to lead the world economically and other ways, we must regain that american spirit, that boldness and courage, that willingness to take on challenges no matter how hard or how great the risk. if the reward makes the risk worth it, we need leaders with the courage to risk the thing that matters most to them, their
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own jobs, no schwusses need app. i wondered if donald trump had read some of what you read in your book and if he co-opted a little bit of that message. what do you think? >> well, it's possible. and i go further in the book to criticize the way we treated china. china came into the u.s. and dumped steel pipe. they dumped it so successfully, dumping means selling it under market prices. the government subsidized it from the chinese government. we complained. we went before the commission in washington. by the time we got a favorable ruling that allowed the u.s. to quota chinese steel pipe, five steel companies in pennsylvania had gone out of business. and a lot of good steelworker, those middle-class jobs that we talk about. we haven't stood up to china. but i believe hillary clinton will. donald trump's not the only guy who's going to stand up to china. >> but that's his whole message, in a sense, and what your book said about no longer being --
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again, your word, wusses, and when you see these thousands of people in the crowd for donald trump, they're not looking for specifics. they're actually looking for that tone that you described in your book. >> you're absolutely right. probably i should have run. you're absolutely right. there's no question that he's caught that feeling that most american have. but we need to be intelligent in how we go about it. you know, i was listening to the earlier part where donald trump is now questioning ted cruz's eligibility to run. well, donald trump gets away with murder because a month ago, a month ago when he was asked that question, he said, absolutely no question, ted cruz is eligible to run. he's a natural-born citizen. a month ago, he said the direct opposite of what he's saying now. well, what's caused him to change? what's caused him to change is that ted cruz is ahead in some of the polls in iowa. and as far as john mccain's concerned, the republican establishment doesn't want donald trump. he's nightmare number one.
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ted cruz is nightmare number two. so they're going to jump on this thing because they want to bring ted cruz down. and i think that you're going to see a lot of that coming back. it's interesting to see how ted cruz handles it. >> based on what you said in your book, some people will either blame you or thank you for the trump phenomenon. thank you very much, governor. >> my pleasure. we are back with that breaking news at the top of the hour out of paris where police shot and killed a man armed with a knife outside a police station. all of it unfolding exactly one year after the "charlie hebdo" attacks. now, french officials say the man shouted "god is great" in arabic and the paris prosecutor says that the man was carrying a paper with an isis flag on it. the incident is being investigated as possible terrorism. now, cell phone video obtained, this is the video, obtained by the associated press shows the scene immediately after that man was shot. police appear to be searching his body, then retreat after discovering what appeared to be a suicide belt. authorities now say that that
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explosive belt turned out to be a fake. our kelly cobiella is live in london with the very latest on the investigation. you can imagine it's the one year after "charlie hebdo," and then you have this incident playing out in a very trfragile country, a very fragile city. >> that's right, tamron. people were afraid and anxious about it. an entire neighborhood essentially was shut down for a good couple of hours because police were concerned that potentially there were more attackers. that turns out not to be the case. according to the interior ministry, they say there was only one man involved here. but this is how it played out. this man holding a butcher knife rushed this police station in northern paris, shouting "allahu akbar." he never made it inside the police station. the police were concerned because they saw some sort of wires peeking out from underneath his clothing. they were concerned that there were possibly explosives on him. that's when they cordoned off
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the neighborhood. they told people to go home. they disrupted some of the metro services and bus services there. people were unable to get back to their places of residence and their stores. and they checked him for possible explosives. as you mentioned, as it turns out, the explosives were fake. he was wearing some sort of fake suicide vest. but since then, as they've examined the body, they found this note, this piece of paper with an isis flag on it as well as a handwritten claim of responsibility in arabic. that's how the paris prosecutor's office is describing it. and they say based on that information, they are now treating this as a terrorism investigation. tamron? >> kelly cobiella for us with the latest on that frighten says i incident in paris. also developing, the family of sandra bland, the woman found dead in a texas jail cell after a routine traffic stop, the family is speaking out after the trooper who you see on camera
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was indicted on perjury. what sandra bland's mother is saying. she spoke just moments ago. plus, michigan's governor and the mayor of flint just wrapped up a meeting about toxic levels of lead in the city's tap water. that's prompted now a state of emergency. this as an internal e-mail reveals the state knew about the problem months ago. and we're keeping an eye on developments from wall street. the dow right now is down 184 after china abruptly halted trading overnight. we'll keep a close eye on the markets and bring you the updates. this is claira. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for her she's agreed to give it up. that's today? we'll be with her all day to see how it goes. after the deliveries, i was ok. now the ciabatta is done and the pain is starting again. more pills? seriously? seriously. all these stops to take more pills can be a pain. can i get my aleve back? for my pain, i want my aleve. get all day minor arthritis pain relief
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developing now in the last hour, the mother of sandra bland said she is not satisfied with the perjury charge against the trooper who arrested her daughter. she's also raising questions
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about whether this process has been fair to her family and daughter. >> my initial reaction is the indictment should be followed by a conviction at some point. i'm going to assume. but where is the true indictment? where is the indictment for the assault the battery, the false arrest? where is that, okay? so while on the one hand, i got the fuse, i got the message about the official perjury indictment. it appears that there should have been much more than what he was indicted for. who in the heck is going to do the prosecuting? who's going to prosecute this guy? is it the same group of folks who selected the grand jury? i don't trust the process. >> hours after a special prosecutor announced the grand jury's decision to indict the officer yesterday afternoon, the texas department of public safety announced his
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termination. so far encina was not immediately taken into custody, and it's unclear when his arraignment on the charge will be. the indictment stems from this affidavit in which he says he pulled bland out of her vehicle to, quote, further conduct a safe traffic investigation. msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber joins me now. you've been looking over a lot of this information. the indictment as well. and you heard the critical questions from sandra bland's mother, and it explains why that family and many others still don't believe this this process at this point. >> i think that's right, tamron. look, what the mother is saying is here was a traffic stop over a lane change question. did you hit the signal or not? you can debate that. that then turns into a physical altercation with force used by the officer. and then -- and then, tamron, turns into basically an altercation between them, an arrest. she goes to jail and she ends up dead. now, you put your finger on where the perjury charge comes from. his statement i had bland exit the vehicle to further conduct a
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safe investigation. let's take a look at some of the sound there that traffic stop to compare his words with what happened. >> i'm going to drag you out of here. >> you're going to drag me out of my own car. >> get out of the car! i will light you up! get out! now! >> wow! wow! >> get out of the car! >> that is the video evidence. that's what the grand jury heard. and what they decided in part here was that having seen that, his statement here is false. it looks like he is actually angry and having his own issues with her. but that it surely doesn't look, at least to the grand jurors, like his main concern was safety. >> and this is a misdemeanor. so we're looking at $4,000 fine, a year in jail for both fine and jail, but fefrnevertheless, sti misdemeanor. what other charges seem likely here, at least when you listen to the family and what they'd like to pursue? >> what the family would like and what lawyers say are theoretical charges could also be false arrest. if you say there should have
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been an arrest in the first place. excessive force and potentially menacing or assaultlike conduct. people forget assault doesn't necessarily mean physical conduct. it could mean inappropriate or improper threats. when he says "i will light you up, i will taser you," the family is saying for what? that seems unjustified. but again, this grand jury process has been very controversial. you and i have spoken before about the fact that they basically impanelled several lawyers to help the prosecutors present this case, secretive as usual, but not really recommending many charges. so we're seeing here essentially one minor charge. >> and with this charge, the mother of sandra bland also pointing out who is going to prosecute this. she still believes that it all is still in this incestuous police and prosecutors often have as has been pointed out in new york and other states. >> what's a good lawyer do? they represent you zealously. often we see prosecutors as zealous advocates for victims of these incidents or if they're determined to be crimes. the family's saying they don't
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feel that these lawyers and these prosecutors have treated them that way. they feel like if anything, they've been more aligned with the police, even though the police are the ones under investigation. >> all right, ari, thank you very much. we'll follow the latest on that story. coming up, countries around the world are raising doubts about north korea's claims that it detonated a hydrogen bomb. this as the united nations vows to pursue new sanctions. plus, alabama's chief justice is defying the united states supreme court. after ordering state judges to stop issuing same-sex marriage licenses. but some judges are refusing to follow his order. what does it mean for same-sex couples in alabama? equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like ordering wine equals pretending to know wine. pinot noir, which means peanut of the night.
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the government said it would resume cross-border loudspeaker broadcasts which the north considers an act of war. meanwhile, president obama spoke by phone late last night with the leaders of south korea and japan to discuss an international response. meeting in emergency session, the u.n. security council pledged yesterday to swiftly pursue new sanctions against north korea and its unpredictable leader. u.s. officials say it may take weeks or longer to determine whether north korea's claim is true. but they say the seismic event recorded appears to be too small for a hydrogen bomb. and new confusion in alabama over same-sex marriage rights. yesterday state supreme court chief justice roy moore ordered probate judges in that state to stop issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. well, now three counties are complying with the order according to alabama.com. another county judge says he's asking the county attorney how to proceed while several other
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developing for you, we're watching wall street where it's been another turbulent day after another selloff and halt in trading. in china, the second time that this has happened there this week. and right now you see the dow is down 164 points. but the dow started the day actually plunging by more than 300 points. the markets have been rattled this week by worries about china's economy, falling oil prices, mideast tensions and of course the latest news out of north korea. and now to your first read on politics this morning. donald trump is, again, stoking the flames as the other so-called birther debate plays out on the campaign trail over ted cruz's electability to be president. in fact, donald trump has just tweeted this. "ted cruz -- free legal advice on how to preempt the dems on citizens issue. go to court now and seek a declaratory judgment. you will win." this as he's predicting another
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big crowd tonight in bernie sanders' backyard. on the democratic side, vice president joe biden candid words about not running for president. what he's regretting. let's bring in mark murray to talk more about what's going on. let me start off with this donald trump tweet. free legal advice on how to preempt the dems on citizen issues. listen, senator john mccain's words, in a sense, lining up with donald trump. i think ensures that this is not going away. this is the new birther, and donald trump will be asking for documents in this weird passive-aggressive way that he's revealed. >> and tamron, you know, the internet lingo, says the way to kind of almost describe donald trump's tweet there is concern trolling. like hey, i'm really trying to help you out here. but it would be great if you went to the courts to get this resolved. and i do think that trolling is the best way to describe this. this is not a frontal attack by donald trump by any means. we've seen him launch frontal attacks on jeb bush, ben carson, the rest of the republican field. he still has had kind of an
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almost bromance with ted cruz. they still think they're friends. they do share a lot of the same voters. but i do think that this is yet another example of how donald trump has been able to use his twitter account, social media and other things to be able to dominate the news cycle. it shouldn't be lost, tamron, that donald trump did not hold a campaign rally on wednesday, one of his first times this week not to really kind of have a campaign event, but we talked about this whole birther controversy over the past 24 hours or so. and so when there is almost kind of a gap in the moments where donald trump isn't on the campaign trail, he uses his twitter account just to stoke controversy, to be able to have some crumbs that are out there and continue to dominate the news cycle. >> yeah, and he is dominating the news cycle, but the question still remains, is this a problem for ted cruz? will this start peeling apart his argument that, you know, there's no legal there there? >> it's a short-term problem for cruz that he would rather be talking about other things, the
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dominant national story about cruz is whether he's eligible to be president of the united states. that's not something he wants to talk about 3 1/2 weeks before the iowa caucuses. whether it's a long-term problem, i don't know. you know, almost every constitutional scholar out there says there isn't a problem for donald trump. but as you referred to, john mccain, who is no friend of ted cruz, was happy to throw some gasoline into this fire. and so i do think that this becomes an outlet. if you are opposed to ted cruz, how you can cause some trouble. i'm just not sure in the long run there's going to be a whole lot of trouble for him. >> all right. thank you very much, mark. we'll talk with you tomorrow. we'll see what more donald trump tweets out i'm sure very soon. coming up, for the first time a measure to repeal obamacare is headed to the white house. the president, of course, vows to veto it. new reaction this hour from house speaker paul ryan. and this -- >> and i'm here today to ask those folks to go home and let us get back to our lives in harney county. >> a sheriff in oregon tells
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armed protesters who are occupying federal land to pick up and go home. he said that in the past as this enters its sixth day, it is one of the stories we are skrup dyi around the news nation. more savings on car insurance? yeah bro-fessor, and more. like renters insurance. more ways to save. nice, bro-tato chip. that's not all, bro-tein shake. geico has motorcycle and rv insurance, too. oh, that's a lot more. oh yeah, i'm all about more, teddy brosevelt. geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more. his day of coaching begins with knee pain, when... this is brad. hey brad, wanna trade the all day relief of two aleve for six tylenol? what's the catch? there's no catch. you want me to give up my two aleve for six tylenol? no. for my knee pain, nothing beats my aleve.
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developing news to report. today congressional republicans will hold what they call an enrollment ceremony to get rid of obamacare. they will sign a bill repealing the health care law before sending the legislation to the president's desk. the first time such a bill has made it that far after dozens of attempts. now, the president, however, has, of course, promised to veto that bill. and republicans do not have enough votes to override that veto. but moments ago, house speaker paul ryan said this is just the first step. >> is someone named obama going to sign a bill into law repealing obamacare? of course not. but we have now demonstrated that if we elect a republican
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president, we can use this same path to repeal obamacare without 60 votes in the senate. this is critical. >> and by "the new york times'" count, this is the 62nd time the house has passed a bill repealing the president's health law. in oregon, the leader of the armed protesters who's taken over that federal building at a wildlife refuge is expected to speak to the media later today. bundy and his group have been holed up since this weekend and say they're still not going anywhere. well, last night the county sheriff told a community meeting protesters have been following residents around, even his own parents. he got a standing ovation when he told the protesters to go home. >> i don't come here to intimidate people. you're not invited to come here and bother with our citizens. it doesn't matter that they're my mom and dad. anybody's mom and dad. that's not okay. >> well, the fbi says it's still seeking a peaceful resolution to the situation. and developing now,
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michigan's governor just wrapped up a meeting with the mayor of flint as that city deals with toxic levels of lead in the tap water. how the city could have prevented prevented this health crisis reportedly for as little as $100 a day. we'll be right back. c ♪ "hi, you've reached emma. i'm out of the office right now but will get back to you just as soon as i possibly can. your call is important to me." join princess cruises for exclusive discovery at sea experiences. limited caribbean fares from $549. call your travel consultant or 1-800-princess. princess cruises. come back new. you're all set to book a flight using your airline credit card miles. and surprise! those seats sometimes cost a ridiculous number of miles, making it really hard to book the flight you want. luckily, there's a better way... with the capital one venture card.
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developing now, michigan governor rick snider is apologizing for the dangerous water crisis that's been going on for months in the city of flint. the governor has met with flint's mayor this morning about the high levels of lead in the city's drinking water. he announced he setting up an inter-agency group to help deal with lead cleanup. he is responding to residents who say they don't trust him to lead this effort because it took so long for him to act when the problems arose last february. >> you have to earn trust and so that's where this will be a process by showing the steps we're taking to be proactive, to
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have people on the ground working in collaboration and partnership with city officials and the people of flint. we want to work closely together to earn the trust. >> nbc's john yang joins us now from flint. john, as we teased, many are saying this problem could have been fixed with something that was relatively inexpensive and now, this has spiralled into a serious concern. >> reporter: that's right. the mayor or rather, the governor really wanted to present a solid front today with the mayor talking about moving forward but there's still a lot of questions about how this all happened and questions that squarely focus on the governor, his own task force looking into this, lays a lot of the blame on the governor's -- on the state's department of environmental quality for not paying attention to the concerns or dismissing the concerns. also the governor is the one who
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it was his emergency manager who made the decision to switch to the water from the flint river that precipitated all of this. my colleague, nbc colleague stephanie gosk obtained an e-mail from july from the governor's then chief of staff, saying i'm frustrated by the water issue in flint. they, referring to the flint residents, they're concerned and rightfully so, about the lead level studies they're receiving. these folks are scared and worry about the health impacts and they are basically getting blown off by us. stephanie gosk also reports that experts say that this all could have been avoided by treating the water as it came out of the river at a cost of only about $100 a day. instead, they're looking at millions of dollars, perhaps $1 billion, to rip up the lead pipes, replace 15,000 lead water pipes, water lines, here in
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flint, plus years and they admit decades of public health monitoring and assisting families, especially families of children who have been drinking this lead water for the past year and a half. doctors say the proportion of children with high lead levels has doubled since this started and in some parts of the city, tripled. tamron? >> we know that doctors say lead can cause irreversible brain damage in children and it is linked to behavioral issues as well. this is an ongoing story. the flint mayor, former flint mayor has called for the justice department to investigate. it's a very tragic situation for those families out there. that does it for this hour of "msnbc live." i'm tamron hall. up next, andrea mitchell's exclusive interview with former defense secretary leon panetta. n and pull up a seat to the table. that's why she takes the time to season her turkey to perfection, and roast it until it's just right.
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mitchell reports" crowd control. how do you squeeze 20,000 donald trump supporters into a 1400 seat arena in bernie sanders' backyard? we're about to find out. regrets only. the vice president's candid admission about not entering the race. >> sure, i regret it every day but it was the right decision for my family and for me. and the commander in chief test. with the world in turmoil and markets tumbling, who is best fit to be the next president? we'll ask former cia director, former secretary of defense and former white house chief of staff, leon panetta in an msnbc exclusive interview. good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. on this first anniversary of

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