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rule number one, if you're going to be a rock and roller, don't get a limousine. soon as you get a limousine you can't park anywhere, people look in the windows all the time and you start to feel like you're special or you can't go anywhere. and then the limousine concert goes to your hotel room and you can't go anywhere. so you get 18 guys to follow you around and they go out in the street and tell you what's happening. it all starts with the magazine. >> good morning. it is monday, january 11th. welcome to morning joe. with us on set, we have former communications director for president george w. bush nicole wallace, harold ford junior,
managing editor of bloomberg politics and political analyst robert costa. >> you hear the voice? >> it's a voice everybody's heard for 40-50 years. david bowie who was able to reinvent himself time and time again. for many of us, the moonlight tour in the 1980s is when david bowie transit formed from being a cult figure, very popular cult figure, to a popular sensation. he filled up auditoriums and
arenas around the world and became the megasuper star he never really sought to be. an incredible voice. one of my favorite pop songs remain under pressure. >> he's young. 69. a lot of people didn't know he was sick. there's so many more breaking news this morning. musician, actor and artist david bowie has died. he had fought an 18-month battle with cancer. bowie's career spanned decades to the height of rock stardem in the 70s and 80s. his look and persona evolved overtime. songs like china girl, let's dance, changes, fashion and fame turned into club gold and he
became as famous for his collaborations as his solo work. according to billboard in 1973 alone he produced lou reed's transformer and he did lust for life with iggy pop and under pressure with queen. bowie's career expanded beyond music. he played andy warhol in the tightest pants possible he showed off his acting and music talents. he starred in the elephant man on broadway wearing little more than a cloth at times. >> you use nothing but. >> but a cloth. just me and a cloth. >> is that -- you know, you used your physical posture and voice to translate. that came out of stage training
more than rock and roll. >> i was determined not to bomb. he was starring opposite teen that turner in this pepsi commercial. remember that? he was married twice in the 90s. bowie turned 69 on friday and celebrated by releasing a new studio album, his 25th, to critical acclaim. carnegy hall has announced a tribute concert starring the roots, cindy lauper and others. >> let's bring in bill neely that joins us from phone. from space oddity, to fame, to modern americans. i can go on to many favorite songs written by this man. he did more thap bright and produce and perform great songs.
he created the glam rock of the rock and roll hall of fame. he reinvented himself time and time again. he did what rock stars didn't do which is put on leather jackets or suits. he turned rock and roll into an art show. >> he did, joe. i bought my first album when i was 12 years old and stayed a fan ever since. you mention changes, rebel, rebel. some of his songs define the man. i heard this morning him being described as a cramerica million. he was anything but that. it changes their color to blend in. david bowie didn't blend into
anything. he was the ultimate rebel and changer. one minute he's with mick jagger and the next doing a song with ben crosby. he expands the generation. just friday age 69 releases his 25th album and as you say to some critical acclaim, for me, as a kid you know, the moon landings were a huge thing and gun control is a major song, it was just a story of my early childhood. that song just plays through my brain in a very, very visceral way. >> as all of us -- my god. >> bill neely, thank you very much. we want to move on to politics now and i think the leads to this morning is on the democratic side. with only three weeks to go, new
polling shows a close race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. our nbc news wall street journal poll has hillary clinton leading bernie sanders by three points. 48-45. that's inside the margin off error. meanwhile, sanders beating hillary. a new fox news poll has sanders ahead. our nbc poll sanders performs better than clinton in early states adds well. in iowa, clinton leads donald trump by eight points among renl administered voters but sanders leads him by 13. in new hampshire clinton ahead
of trump by one point but sanders tops him by 19. apparently unboldened by those numbers, sanders had this to say. >> i would urge tse voters and voters all over this cntry to take a look at resent polls in which bernie sanders is matched with republican candidates on down. if people are concerned about elect blt and democrats should be very concerned, i think bernie sanders is the candidate. >> mark, look at the numbers, especially in new hampshire where bernie sanders is doing about 12-13 points better than hillary clinton, suddenly, the argument swings against clinton and towards sanders. >> we've been saying for months he's got to win here in iowa and
new hampshire to put this into play. that elect blt argument is something she's pushing back on. >> sanders is confident. it's not a confidence born of mistaken, understanding of what's going on. he sees what's going on. don't count her out but this is a fight in these two states. if you wake up in new hampshire and hooets won them both, it's a totally different world. >> you've been saying for some time he can win both states. you're looking not only is he ahead in iowa and new hampshire and the two states all these candidates are judged by, you look at the fundraising totals
where he's raising $27 per contribution, he looks like he's built to last. look at what happens if hillary loses to bernie sanders in new hampshire. go to south carolina and things will get better then. the whole world changes quickly if clinton loses both iowa seasoned new hampshire, does it not? >> the world changes. i don't know how. i defy anybody in politics to say how. she's not popular enough with
democrats to beat sanders in these two states. clinton gives him more momentum. no doubt those supporters are doing good. they're now back feeling very good. if hillary loses in iowa, a guy that most of the democratic establishment should be close to right now and then she loses in new hampshire, you have biden,
gore, carrie who start moving and start saying maybe we need to get into the race. that's the discussion that's going on right now. >> i am not making, offering my opinion. >> okay. >> i am being a reporter saying those close to john carrie and joe biden have said specifically that if she loses iowa and new hampshire, they're going to have to take a much closer look on
any democratic party on what their best shot is to win the nomination and then expect joe biden and elizabeth warren or john carrie and elizabeth warren to have further discussions about running for the nomination. >> couple of things. there's probably little doubt. you have two losses early on. i would imagine to your point, mika, the fact that this isn't about socialism. a lot of people in the democratic party may be uneasy about the notion. zblp we're only a couple of weeks away. >> you and i call and mr.
clinton lost iowa. she went on to win new hampshire and obviously, performed well throughout something at the time. i disagree if she loses both. >> we've underestimated bernie sanders and i feel like the trump mistake has been made on this side 10 times worse. >> why wouldn't the democrats be immune from the disgusts with washington? they run washington for eight years. >> bernie sanders has a life long career of experience in washington. >> again, the movement was the
same and energy level was inspired. >> 15 points ahead of ted cruz and 20%. marco rubio is at 13%. jeb bush back at 4%. in the state of iowa two new polls show cruz with a slight edge over trump. among likely republican caucus goers. >> it is donald trump in the lead. 26% to cruz's 24%. those polls say they support their candidates with 14% saying
they might vote differently. in the fox news poll ted cruz holds an edge. let's go to new hampshire. trump has a 16 point lead in the wall street journal poll. 40% to marco rubio. 16% say they might vote deferently. the fox news poll shows trump with an 18-point lead over rubio 33-15%. cruz in third with 12 points followed by bush at 9%. while 56% of all republican voters say they are certain to support their current choice, 79% of trump supporters say they
are sticking with the business man. >> a month out, that's wrong. >> a poll shows trump with a 20 point lead over jeb push. the gender break down of that poll finds that trump support is stronger among women than men. 39% of likely women voters in the republican primary are backing trump while 31% are men. anyone want to explain that? >> last week there was a poll that came out because of the angry white voter.
in new hampshire trump stronger than ever. 33-12 and bush at 12. new movement in new hampshire for bush. >> they start out strong and make the fight he's having in virginia pretty interesting where he's fighting against that loyalty oath that the virginia g.o.p. wants to have in place. peggy had a great piece over the weekend. it isn't the point to expand the electorate. >> we're starting to see a lot more stories. it's like the media is trying to catch up with some of their past failed assumptions about democrats supporting trump.
i saw a number of 20% of democrats saying they would jump across lines if donald trump is the nominee. >> one of the key questions for the independent voters in new england, trump was in vermont and new hampshire. if sanders wins iowa and comes to new hampshire, where do the independents vote? republican side for trump or democratic side for sanders? >> tell me, you're out there all the time. talk about these polls. in iowa, it seems to be a dead heat between trump and cruz. >> i think the story was establishment fights establishment. trump has been relentless in going after senator cruz talking about his position and birth in canada. it's everywhere. >> what about producing his
mother's birth certificate. he's now releasing his mother's birth certificate. donald trump drops that bomb on monday and it completely follows him around the entire week, doesn't it. >> it does. senator cruz's campaign, i've been in touch with them and they believe this question has been addressed and not an issue for the campaign at all. you continue to hear trump talk about it. you wonder if he brings it up at the debate. cruz has resisted from trump. rubio can get some kind of balance in iowa, that could narrow the margin. >> any feeling on jesh bush's campaign? >> only if it's mutt led coming out of iowa. bush is playing a long game. he's hoping no one gets a bounce
out of new hampshire. >> the man accused of ambushing and shooting a philadelphia police officer is in custody but officials say the threat may not be over. 30-year-old angie harrell they are has pledged ahe jens to isis. investigators say they received a tip that the threat against the officer is on going. jury selection begins today for the second baltimore officer facing charges for the death of freddie gray. he's the only officer charged that's declined to speak to investigators. finally, authorities in mexico have begun the process of extraditing el chapo. he w .
authorities have delivered orders to the prison where he's being held. mexican authorities want to speak to sean pen about the interview over the weekend. >> did mark ask you if you wanted to go down and conduct the interview with him? >> he asked me to be the individual og zamora for but i passed. my instinct was it wasn't a good idea. >> that would been a food instinct for sean pen and the rolling stone. >> lor reen says trump can be a bully but hillary was a bully too. later we were invited to take part on poverty. we're going to bring you our interviews with four presidential candidates as the pe speaker of the house, paul ryan. morning joe is going to back.
we're going back. that's where it began, literally. this time i'm hoping my luggage gets there. java joes. >> she's still complaining eight years later. >> seriously, i showed up and had to sleep in my clothes and show up on air. thank you, delta. >> you're still blaming delta. >> that's great. it happened about a week ago. >> donal trump is going to be among our guest. if you're in the area, stop by java joes. >> and the coffee is so good. >> you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back with mika talking about things from eight years ago nobody cares about. the future belongs to the fast.
and more importantly, is it important? >> the reason it was brought up is because saturday the new york time's big upon piece, main editorial was taking hillary clinton to task for her part in going after the women. >> here's donald trump and hillary clinton speaking about the issue over the weekend. >> is that a threat to her? are you saying you want me to go down that road. is this public threat? >> it is a threat. of course.
she was saying his tendencies towards being sexist. i said wait a minute. she's married to an abuser, a woman claimed rape and all sorts of things. horrible things. >> you know though, if you bring it up, you're first divorce was ugly. >> i wasn't the president of the united states and not dealing in the oval office. i'm not saying don't bring up anything with me. when she says that, i had to bring it up. they've become very unresponsive since then. >> if he wants to engage in personal attacks from the past. that's his prerogative. so be it. it's been fair game going back to the republicans for some years. if they want to, that can be their choice. didn't work before. it won't work again. >> a lot of republican officials including a lot of republican women say this is going to backfire. you're going to make her more
popular. once again she's the victim. >> no, she's not a victim. she worked with him. she was, some of the women had been totally destroyed. some of these women have been destroyed and hillary worked with him. there's no feeling sorry for hillary in this situation. >> really? so here's what the new york times editorial board wrote he just put a schedule out. hillary clinton is accountable for her own public actions. for decades she's helped attack her husband's political career and hers from the sexual
>> that comes of course, as new york times columnist used her column to push hillary and called her a bully. quote, the skyscraper says trump hektors the rivals for being a girly man. he's weelding her knife on his most sensitive pressure point. running as a feminist icon when she's part of the political operations who smeared women about the truth. trump can be a bully but hillary was a bully too and the way she dealt with her husband, her impulse as monica wrote in vanity fair was to blame the woman, even herself. hillary was not going to be hurt twice by those women letting them damage her marriage and also damage her political future. >> joe asked some of the republican candidates about the
attacks of the first editorial times and whether or not the issues are relevant or all and here's what they said. >> talking about sexual miss deeds of the 1990s doesn't seem relevant to me and frankly, we're not going to win if we live in the past. >> what if hillary clinton starts talking about how republicans have a war against women? doing what he did, was it appropriate? that's long gone. >> maybe she stood by him because she's married to him. i don't like that stuff. it's been around american politics throughout our history.
bashing bill clinton, i'm sorry. if that's what it takes for me to be president, i'm not interested. if he comes out and starts talking about how great he is, we can talk about his record. i don't like politics like that. she for the advancement of her own political career helped the clinton campaign attack women who may have beenabused. >> whether you like it or not everything's fair game in today's world.
i don't agree with all that, but it's the truth of the matter. she's going to have to live with those things. i don't think we as republicans put forward a winning campaign by relitigating bill clinton's past mistakes and past conduct. >> everything's fair for politics if you're beating up a republican. there's nothing ever held back. if she is talked about women's rights and the importance of standing up for women and believing women when they make it claim then it matters. >> all right. so we're having a debate here on i think, agreeing with the republicans that said let it go, however, nicole, two things have change and i wanted to talk to mark heparin after the soup. an increased sensitivity towards those claiming sexual abuse whether it happened in the
catholic church or college campuses or the military or whether it's happening in the age. we're now in the age of bill cosby. all you had to do is look at the front page of sunday styles. i think they had a 4,000 word front page article and people being in power and using it inappropriately. you can actually stand up for the rights of women who are sexually harassed and not have to have newt win today.
>> i would add too other things to your list, they're looking at changing the laws to allow for more prosecutions. you've got christian, one of the leading supporters of hillary clinton who is the tip of the spear getting to the top of the military. we're going to reexamine bill cosby's actions and reexamine how to clinton machine treated
women. >> this all started with donald trump being called a sexist. we have newspapers looking back 20 years later with women abused whether you're talking about anita, kathleen, 22-year-old intern not abused but actually certainly preyed upon by the most powerful man in the world twice her age and suddenly, you have the new york times editorial page holding hillary to account for how she tried to shame these women call them narsistic loony toons and the globes talking about it, it today, the washington post talking about it a couple of weeks ago. it seems to me there's also a lot of newspapers that set silently by on this issue,
especially on hillary's roll in it. i think the only person who talked about it was vanity fair columnist. >> i think his pension for sexism opened the door through which much is passing from main stream media outlets for some time. do you agree with that and secondly, if that's the case, what does the clinton camp do? >> look where we are. there's no doubt trump played an extremely important roll in changes the discussion.
she has tens of millions of supporters. let's look at the three clinton stretch here. it makes it more likely than its ever been that they can speak to the fbi and maybe go before a grand jury. >> what is that? >> there's an e-mail in which she seemed to suggest she wanted information sent that couldn't be e-mailed to her faxed to her in a way that suggested a cavalier attitude about handling of classified informing. there's still more facts to be known. it does make it more likely than ever.
imagine that in the next couple of weeks the fbi wants to talk to her. imagine that. >> i know we've all said, this is what's so interesting. the new york times editorial said bill clinton's sexual past is his sexual past. america's heard about it and don't care anymore. this is about hillary clinton. she's claiming of being a feminist and going to have to account for how she's treated or accused or bullied these women who were sexually harassed according to them. i wonder how they look at bill cosby they said, their quote was
in the workplace. this is not about bill clinton's sexual actions. >> raising your voice at me doesn't make this better. kpaering bill clinton to bill cosby is wrong. miss clinton's past, i can't answer your question. >> i do actually want to go wack to number one because i am fascinated to hear why comparing bill clinton to bill cosby is wrong. >> bill clinton and bill cosby's cases are completely different and we can show. i don't think if bill clinton's things weren't undone by these
things, why should hillary clinton's career be undone by these things. some of these comparisons are unfair. i'm not defending bill clinton's past. >> can she move forward in this campaign talking about a war on women that women who claim to be sexually abused have the right to be heard and the right to be believed when she says that. do we have to reexamine what she
did to protect her sense of power? >> i seen a quote that said women should be believed until facts disprove them. that's the case with anything involving any allegation. if she's wrong and her allegations are proved they have to answer those things. his career was not undone. i think voters -- >> voters just keep going back to it. >> don't accuse me of taking anyone's talking point. i don't believe this path, your party travel, you lost a few speakers dealing with sex and politi politics.
if mrs. clinton can't answer these questions you may be right. i'm and independent thinker in this. i'm not going to accuse the two of you for taking donald trump's like. >> harold. >> this is about hillary clen ton. not bill clinton's actions. >> don't accuse me. >> we have to go now. our full interviews with all those candidates or with harold. we'll be right back. no no, you can talk to a person anytime. 'cause i don't trust robots. right...well, if the portfolio you're invested in doesn't
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is hillary clinton ever held accountability for her part of the process. by the way, i hope whatever you're eating is good. >> well, harold said that hillary clinton said people
have a right to be heard until their allegations are disproven and i think that in some of the most prominent cases not only were the accusations not disproven but confirmed and acknowledged by president clinton. i think. >> how's that. >> well, he had a relationship with jennifer flowers and paid paula jones off in a settlement and has acknowledged much of what monica says happened. those are three prominent examples. >> i'm not defending it but you were talking about, i think he was talking about, joe, mrs. clinton. >> joe. >> if you're a 50-year-old president of the united states and having an affair with a
22-year-old intern, is that defined. >> i'm not defending. i'm talking about
sexual assault cases. i'm not defending what the president did. i'm making it clear she was talking about sexual assault cases. >> to go to secretary clinton, i don't know that anybody's disproven the allegations of those two women. >> nobody ever has. >> yep. okay. >> the house committee on government reform, congressman of texas who is regretting coming here today, also an undercover officer in the cia. >> good morning. >> should we change the topic?
>> where do we start with, homeland security? how are we doing? >> there's a lot more to be done. i hope at the state of the union tomorrow that the president is going to address some of his strategies especially overseas. our first line of defense is in places like iraq, syria and yemen. you look at the threat of isis, they're still a clear and present danger to the united states. i wish this president would pick up the phone and call the director or the cia and say listen, in 45 days you need to double the amount of human intelligence. if we do that, guess what, we can feed this to our air force and bomb more locations and look closer to our allies. you can't have the russians bombing the locations of rebels supporting us. that's just insane. >> last week, rudy giuliani said
americans should not feel safe post san bernardino. should americans feel safe? >> people don't feel safe. national security. >> is it a rational feeling, fear? >> it is a rational feeling. you look at san bernardino and things happening in germany, folk are nervous and scared but know this. when i was in the cia, i started in october of 2000. it was the day that the u.s.s. coal was blown up. i was in the cia when 9/11 happened. if you would have told me it would been 14 years before there was another attack on the homeland i would have said you're crazy. the reason there's not been a major attack is because the men and women in the intelligence services are operating as if it's september 12th, 2001. there's still a lot more that needs to be done protecting
against the long wolfes. we need to start building micro networks, intelligence sharing networks. we need to be working with private security forces collecting information on suspicious people with buildings, sharing that with them and local law enforcement and having that mettled with the national intelligence information. >> thank you for coming. please come back when harold's not, harold apologized. >> this morning, fans. >> did you guys -- if you're going to throw it this way way you got to be able to take it right back. >> this morning fans of the legendary david bowie have turned a mural in his home toto of london a memorial. we'll be back with four presidential candidates.
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i'm watching a game yesterday. what use to be considered a great tackle, if that was done by dick buckness, he would been the greatest player and ray. you use to see these tackles and it was incredible to watch, right. now they tackle, head on, head collision. 15 yard. the home game is all screwed up. you say wow, what a tackle.
football has become soft. football has become soft. i can imagine a guy like lawrence taylor and dick buckness whose really rough sitting there watching wow, what a beautiful tackle. 15 yards since the game is over, you can't kick a field goal anymore. the referees want to throw flags so their wives see them at home. oh, there's my husband. we're going soft just like the nfl. it's true. am i right? am i right. >> all right. welcome back to morning joe. it's monday, january 11th. with us we have former communications director for george w. bush, nicole wallace. harold ford jr., still talking to us. managing editor of bloomberg politics mark held prin.
lo -- heparin. author of the upcoming book too dumb to fail, matt lose. >> so jeff, listen, we all lived through it. we don't want to live through it again. the new york times this weekend made it very relevant in their main editorial, maurine made it relevant. it's the front page in the boston globe. not bill clinton as behavior. how hillary clinton behaved overtime. you were there. obviously, you were also part of that horrific circus that still makes us flinch. why is it relevant again. why is it coming up again and will it have any impact on hillary clinton? >> first, i think she opened the
door with the statement that every survivor is to be listened to and believed. you're quiet right and so is mark, when she said you believe until the etd is on the most serious stuff, this is no evidence that exonerates bill clinton. a lot of these stories are shrouded in ambiguity. the most important thing is overtime the idea you can develop all of bill clinton's behavior as private, that is a notion. it's predatory behavior, sexual harassment, those are not private matters rummaging through the sex life. the enormous shift in the culture that says on college campuses and the other cases has shifted a lot of the debate on matters of sexual assault. what i think is the lurking
danger for hillary clinton is first was she enabling the behavior more important and assaulting the reputation of the accusers. the second is you know, she wants a lot of support from younger women in particular. that's a base for her. the women who are young and voting for the first time may have never heard about this stuff. >> they will see it differently. i think there's a problem for her. the fact you have to give donald trump credit. in a way he understands the american politics and the fear aspect. by raising the issue and maybe tempting her into a fight he may have put back on the table, not the issue of does clinton have an eye for a well turned ankle, but whether there was behavior that would be actionable and whether she was a part of helping to protect. that's where i think the danger for hillary clinton is. real quickly, i think the hi
po high pock zamora si pack in the 90s is an outrage. they drove out being a clumsy passer maker and then just simply took all of the actizations about clinton and said no, no, no. it's not relevant. i think they have a lot to answer for it. >> betty called monica, 22-year-old whose life was effectively destroyed and said she was a little twerp whose not relevant to anyone's life. >> you look at the republican candidates and say those old men. >> i didn't call them old.
i just said they don't get what's happening. the other piece of new information, my sisters don't remember the blue dress, don't remember, but they did last year read and watch the ted talk that monica gave about being patient zero or the victim of internet bullying, number one. even if you weren't around, even if you didn't experience the sort of choice between whether or not it mattered or whether there was a lot of blaming of these victims. you may now know who monica was and what she went through. for hillary clinton to stand on their backs and capitolize without at least being forced to answer for her actions and her thoughts and what she sort of went through and did and said
and organized in the 90s is ridiculous. >> that is exactly what the new york times editorial said this weekend. not that we want to reexamine bill clinton's behavior, that has been adjudicated. it is now mrs. clinton's turn to answer which he's never had to do for what she did not only in the 90s but the 70s and 80s. and cases like who claim to date line's lisa meyers that hillary clinton approached her two or three times and grabbed her and felt physically threatened by her. kathleen wiley who went on 60 minutes and talked about being chased through her neighborhood and her dog disappearing and tires being slashed and a man coming up threatening her and stop talking about it. >> i think it's important to say these nations have in some
cases, there have been inconsistencies. i think the clintons best friends have always been their worst enemies. they also overreact and overreach and overstate he's involved in drugs but the problem is if this becomes a case of our now let's try to figure out what happened 10, 15, 25, 30 years ago, this is not a conversation. this is not a dialogue that's going to be helpful to mrs. clinton. >> the only reason i brought up those two women is it goes back to what mark sasaid and hillary back in iowa. they have a right to be heard and believed until disproven. it's just a new world and that's what we're seeing on the front
pages of the newspaper. >> with less than a week to go, the polling shows a close race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders in the early voting states. our nbc news poll has hillary leading bernie sanders by three points in iowa 48-45. meanwhile, in new hampshire it's sanders on top 50-46%. that too though within the margin of polls era. they're tied. sanders with a wider lead. he's ahead of clinton by 13 points. in our new nbc news poll sanders performs better than clinton in the early states as well. in iowa clinton leads donald trump by eight points among registered voters. >> let's stop with democrats for a second. jeff, what happens in iowa? >> i mean, can we be asking this question. >> if hillary clinton, right
now, there's a 50 pest chance she loses iowa and new hampshire. what happens if that's the result? >> we have an example of a democrat losing both states and winning the presidency and that's her husband. we're in the stage now when i feel that the press is like in fantasy island. given hillary clinton's support, the campaign moves south with african americans, it's not inconceivable she can lose both states and win. there are two other things. bernie sanders is now being looked at the way trump is among republicans. like could he actually be the nominee? the second thing is the democrats establishment may have built themselves a trap by assuming there's a carnation for hillary clinton and ignoring some of the weaknesses. i think a loss for iowa and new
hampshire will set a panic going on whether it's a panic justified by the delegate math. you guys are part of it. you know how the media works. too often it's going to be -- i know how political leaders work. probably even better. this is hillary clinton loses to a socialist in vermont that nobody new a year and a half ago in iowa and new hampshire. hillary clinton's approval ratings are low. hillary clinton is having trouble with dot, dot, dot, dot. >> you're doing this thing. >> you've written these books. >> how did i miss this one? >> would you be interested in teaming up with elizabeth warren and moving forward? it's a 1968 scenario with what bobby did with a stumble in new hampshire. it's not beyond the realm of
impossibility. >> like i say. i make this stuff up. what's going on so far this year, any editor would say i'm sorry, you're way too plausible. we're going to have to go to biden, somebody else. he's a good candidate. do you see him on the show, anybody? >> what the republican candidate said to the debate in three days. donald trump held a big lead. trump at 35% among republican primary voters. 15 points ahead of ted cruz. 20% with the senators best numbers. the state of iowa among the likely most republican caucus goers. rubio 13% and carson at 11%. among potential caucus goers,
donald trump in the lead 26-24%. those polls say they strongly support the candidates. only 14% saying they may vote differently. ted cruz holds under a four point edge followed by jeb bush at seven points. iowa, any way you cut it, it's a draw right now. >> it is. let's go to new hampshire. trump has a 16 point lead. 30% to marco rubio's 14%. chris christie third at 12% while ted cruz 12%. bush down to 9%. let's move to the interesting results. 56% of all republican voters say they are certain to support their current choice. 79% of trump supporters, matt lose, said they are sticking
with the man. >> we also have a poll that shows trump with a 20-point lead. let's stop with the last point. the republican establishment teasing themselves in washington d.c. claiming they'll go to his rallies but they're not going to vote for them for god sake. >> like sarah palin's crowd. >> as james caramel said he was driving past the mississippi gulf coast coliseum. people are waiting in line and three, four, five hours to hear this man speak for another three, four, five hours and you're saying they're not going to spend 15 minutes going to their local elementary school to vote for the same man. it's dreaming. the republican establishment is dreaming. these people are rock solid, it seems behind trump. at least in a primary state like new hampshire where he's just killing everybody. >> yeah, you know, it's really,
you had all these scenarios, theories about what happened to trump. we got closer to the election and people are getting serious. they're dating trump and going to marry cruz or rubio. it's starting to get to the point where we're running out of scenari scenarios. it's all over but the shouting. one theory left is what happens when he wins iowa? he's probably going to win iowa but there we're starting to see donald trump go after ted cruz now on the canadien thing and ethinal thing. >> he actually geographically gets him coming and going. he gets him going on the canadien and cuba thick. >> birth certificates in canada, that's the old dipsy doodle. i'll get you one way or the other. you look at the huge numbers and we're obsessing on iowa and new hampshire for both hillary and
trump. on the republican side, once you get past new hampshire, donald trump runs the table, mark, runs the table in south carolina, runs the table in the deep south, the sec primaries, runs the table in 49 out of 50 states. >> trump is not out of it in iowa. >> they're leading a movement. >> they are dominating the race in a lot of ways and people like
hillary clinton and marco rubio and chris christie and jeb bush are trying to figure out how to adapt in this environment which is just different than they expected to run for president. >> two quick questions. one is ted cruz solid on the birth scertificate matter? go, if trump does not win iowa and goes on to new hampshire and it's mixed and he comes out of it, joe's theory, you're reporting? >> your reporting confirms that. >> question congressman. speaking to the cruz campaign they believe the candidate question has been settled and they released senator cruz's mother's birth certificate. >> hey, bob, can i say first of all. >> this is so crazy. >> the fact you said can it be questioned? that means donald trump a week later wins.
>> trump is strong in mississippi and alabama. we have to watch the margin of victory in iowa. it's a close victory. he may not get the bounce he needs going into new hampshire and deep south and south carolina. if trump can be competitive or win in iowa, that is going to really matter as he goes into new hampshire. >> let's get to other headlines this morning. reuter's reports to send more weapons to the peninsula. they have been put on the highest level of support last
week. this comes after declaring a state of emergency. the new source corroded water pipes and seeped into the city's water supply. david bowie has died after a long battle with cancer. he spent decades as his look and per sewn that evolved overtime. he turned 69 friday and celebrated by releasing a new stud studio album. his 25th to critical acclaim. matt louis, robert costca, mark, jeff greenfield, great to have you on set this morning.
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>> real families are effected by this every day. they're desperate. >> both governors running a state, does he have a point in some of the terms of the fiscal problems? >> no, he didn't. he's out of the business for 10 years and current on what's going on. the fact is in new jersey's last year, he had the best job in 15 years. i knew that was going to take time. i just say to marco, i wonder what happened to the guy who stood on the stage and lectured jeb bush about because we're running against each other someone's convinced you saying bad things about me helps you. that same someone is talking to
marco and listening. i'm not going to engage in that kind of stuff. the fact is i understand he doesn't understand a lot of this stuff because he's never done anything. i say things like school, they tell you where to go, where to sit. >> 50% feel the state's on the wrong track. what without sort of taking away from the state you'll be delivering on tuesday, what will you be saying to new jersey to give them hope that perhaps you are putting the state on the right track? >> well, we are. here's part of the problem. this would be like as if the folks at nbc knew you were looking for a new job. they wouldn't be thrilled with you, i suspect. they would be a little disappointed with you.
>> in the end things i would talk about tuesday are the things that's extraordinarily well and we have exciting announcements to make on tuesday. i think we're going to be talking to you guys after that as well. >> yes, the first elected official to endorse you is the governor of maine. his comments recently. >> i got to bill in right now to take the traffickers. now, the traffickers, these aren't people who take drugs. these are guys named d money, smoothie, shifty. these type of guys that come from connecticut and new york. they come up here and sale their
heroine and come back home. half the time they impregnate a young, white girl before they leave which is the real sad thing because then we have another issue we got to deal with down the road. >> that was racially charged. >> listen, i heard false remarks and frankly, he's apologized for them. so if we're going to wind upholding, judging everybody in this society. >> those are pretty offensive remarks, are they not. >> sure, here's the thing. we can't judge people by one set of remarks they make especially when those people o poapologize. from my perspective, he's an outspoken guy and shoots from the hip. in times he says things he thinks he shouldn't said. it doesn't change my respect for him. he's a goodman and apologized. every one of us, me and everyone
else as public says things they would take back. >> never. >> what's the first thing you do elected president of united states? >> first thing i would do is freeze any new regulation for 180 days. stop the federal government from regulating 180 days. >> whose the first world leader you would call? >> prime minister cameron. >> saudi arabia and iran right now in the middle of a pretty big dust upright now. is there any question in your mind on whether iran or saudi arabia are our closer allies? which one's closer? >> no question saudi arabia. no question in my mind. >> is egypt a good allie of ours? >> i believe they are. i believe they are. the fact is we don't treat them that way. the fact is you threw -- under the bus. hillary participated in that.
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bigger and a poll came out yesterday, you're in second place in new hampshire. do you get a sense people are starting to focus differently than a month ago? >> i do. i think it started earlier but just staters start focussing on this more seriously. i don't try to get distracted by anything. in my little part of this, i guess a sense things are moving the right way. i enjoy it. i love the give and take and the ability to show humor. i love people's, just the things they say.
>> i'm going to hunt you down and get you to support me. >> i called him up and left a voice mail. >> but you're not going to give up. >> no. a scale like new hampshire they have a chance to see everybody. >> your governor said that donald trump has captured the frustration of many americans after seven years of obama.
>> it's the difference in going to a big rally and being entertained and electing a president. people are frustrated for a good reason. the federal government is worse and we have a president that uses powers the constitution hasn't given him and people are angry about that. >> i did notice though a couple of weeks ago on the campaign trail he can't win, it's not going to happen. i can't imagine this happening. >> is he a smart guy? yeah. will he be able to learn about this? maybe if he takes the time to do it. he better if he's going to be president. >> is there a sense you're
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>> how destructive do you believe it was for president obama to not stand at the side when he said it must go. how damaging was that for the allies across the region? >> it sends a signal we've changed teams. >> this is not how america should lead. the stability brought about in a bipartisan way, republican and democrat presidents supporting egypt and kicking the soviets out of egypt when he lost the war and that time nixon and
kissinger brought about one of the most dramatic changes that brought egypt under our security umbrella has been a success and we've abandoned it. we've allowed them to create a success and have the capability of projecting force from the iranians. our leadership as people want to make it be is a sign of real weakness. >> do you think that's why the saudis have been acting that way the past couple of weengs? >> absolutely. that's the danger. if we're not there, we see what happens. >> what is jack kemp's legacy in 2016? what is the importance of jack kemp? >> he's a friend of mine and hero of mine. we need to campaign in every nook and cranny, we can win if we do it. if we're reactive and finger pointing and angry all the time, people turn that off in a heart beat. >> all these guys were really
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>> these suck ups. >> the panderingnded a long time ago. let's give clemson a national championship. i know this is not popular but i'm going to sand up against the powerful new york interests, like you, joe scarborough. >> it has nothing to do with the fact that south carolina is the first primary after new hampshire. >> it is? i didn't know that. >> it is? >> that's pretty funny. >> i got to give. i've got to give governor huckabee credit. i'm an sec guy, right? who do i hate? if i'm an alabama guy -- a couple years ago alabama played oregon. everybody said i bet you're rooting for oregon. why? why would i root for a team that's not the sec. >> hai astate played oregon and i rooted for ohio state. you just have to do it.
>> with us now analyst and host of the paul finebaum show. >> author of "my conference can beat your coon frnferencconfere" you sound like donald trump. >> last year we were blindsided. what makes tonight different than what happened when i went into the ohio state last year going sec is going to beat big ten? >> joe, i don't want to filibuster on a political show but i want to say one thing first. nine years ago we were together and i was giving you credit for something. i want to accuse donald trump for ripping you off. nine years ago you said how do
we make alabama great again? you came up with the idea to bring nick saban in. you wrote an op-ed, you came on our show and nine years later alabama is in the midst of a dynasty temperature america, thank joe scarborough. >> you'll remember it was a very nasty op-ed, an angry op-ed that was blistering the alabama administration and said you guys stop picking losers, pick this guy and we'll win the lottery. and we are. so thank you for that acknowledgement. but, paul, tell me, what is, though, what is the difference between these two teams tonight, clemson and alabama? because i thought the sooners were going to run away with it against clemson. clemson looked pretty tough. >> joe, a lot of it is experience. alabama players show up hoar this week in the desert and they look like they belong and they do. celebrating is celebrating.
the dallas coach threw a pizza party when they got in. can you imagine nick saban doing that? it's either win or bust. it's all about excellence. i think therein lies part of the difference tonight. i really think this alabama defense is one of the best i've ever seen. you could attest to that as well having watched alabama football since bear bryant. >> i said a couple of weeks after the ole miss loss this is the most well rounded alabama i've seen. once jake coker started looking at middleline backer, he said i'm going to lower my head and knock them on their tail, that changed everything. >> and jay was -- transferred and he came to alabama. he got beat out by a guy that
sat out for five years. they took the job away and he fought back. i think the biggest story tonight is about nick saban. this is a coach that is seeking his fourth national championship in seven years. >> that's unbelievable. >> and the argument has raged on. with a win tonight, would he be considered the greatest football coach of all time. to be that you have to beat the best coach in alabama, bear bryant. but i will say that tonight in nick saban wins. >> they say the quarterback at clemson is the kind of quarterback that can give al m alaba alabama's defense and frustrate them. and do you think lane kiffin will make all the play calls in light of what happened? >> first of all, your father used to be my congressman growing up and i loved him
dearly. >> what good man. >> the rap on alabama, they can't stop these kind of quarterbacks they get out in space. i think that's a little bit exaggerated. as far as lane kiffin is concerned, he is the x factor. at the michigan state game, he totally changed. i think you'll see a lot of derek henry tonight. >> no doubt about it. >> i tell you what, it is great to you have you, paul. it would be great to have you tomorrow morning to do a postmortem. >> i'm all yours, joe. >> for people complain about alabama always winning. i read a lot of your columns that talked about what was wrong with alabama and why they couldn't win. it's a pretty remarkable run
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rule number one. if you're going to be a rock 'n' roll, never get a limousine. that's what makes it all go wrong? >> why? >> because you can't park anywhere and then you think you're special. and then you want to know what's going out on the street and you get 18 guys to go out on the street and they tell you what's
happening and then you're in a cacoon. but it all starts with a limousine, especially the ones with the black windows. >> good morning. welcome to "morning joe." with us, nicole wallace, harold ford jr. in des moines iowa, managing editor of bloomberg politics, mark halperin and msnbc political analyst robert costa. you hear the voice? >> i hear the voice. it's a voice everybody's heard for 45, 50 years maybe. david bowie, an extraordinary artist able to reinvent himself time and time again. you know, from ziggy stardurst forward and of course for many of us, in our age now i'll just say myself old, his serious moonlight tour in the 1980s is when david bowie transformed
from being this cult figure, a very popular extraordinarily important cult figure to becoming an international sensation. he had songs like "modern love," "china girl," filled up auditoriums, filled up arenas all over the world and became the mega superstar he never really sought to be. one of my favorite pop songs to this day remains "under pressure," teaming up with queen. >> he was so young. breaking news this morning, musician, actor and artist david bowie has died. an announcement on his official facebook page said he had fought an 18-month battle with cancer. bowie's career, as joe said, spanned decades from humble beginnings playing sacks as a 13-year-old to the height of
rock stardom in the 70s and 80s, creating his these attory call mix of rock and and droj any. songs like "china girl," "let's dance," "changes," "fashion" and "fame" turned into club gold. he became as famous for his collaborations as his solo work. according to bill board in 1973 he produced "transformer," and hoop the young dudes. he did lust for life with iggy pop and "under pressure o "with queen. he played andy warhol. in the tightest pants imaginable, he showcased his music and acting talents in the jim henson thrill er labyrinth
and starred using in a little more than a loin cloth at times. >> you had nothing more than -- >> a loin cloth. >> you used your fiscal posture. that came out of stage training more than rock 'n' roll. >> it was desperation. i was determined not to bomb, you know. >> he was even a combatant in the cola wars in the 1980s starring opposite teen a turner in this pepsi commercial. he was married twice in the 90s, wed super model iman. he turned 69 on friday and celebrated by releasing a new studio album, his 25th, to critical acclaim. carnegie hall has already announced a tribute concert starring the roots, cyndi lauper and others.
bill neely joins us by phone. from "space oddy" to "fame," "modern love," so many of my favorite songs written by this man. but he did more than just write and produce and perform great songs. he actually -- he created the glam rock wing of rock and hall of fame. he did what rock stars didn't do, put on leather jackets or suits, put on guitars and play. he turned rock 'n' roll into an art form, an art show. >> he did, joe. i have to confess i'm a huge fan. i bought my first album, which was hunky dory" when i was 12 years old and i've stayed a fan. you mentioned "changes."
here's another one "rebel rebel." i heard this morning him being described as a chameleon. i get the idea but he was anything but a chameleon because a chameleon changes his color to blend in. david bowie didn't blend in to anything. he was the ultimate rebel and changer. one minute he's with mick jagger and the next minute he's doing song with bing crosby. he was a guy who spanned the generation. just on friday age 59 releases his 25th album and to some critical acclaim. for me as a kid, you know, the moon landings were a huge thing and, you know, "ground control to major tom" was just the story of my early childhood and that song just plays through my brain in a very, very advice rahal
way. >> david bowie, 69. >> my god. >> bill neely, thank you very much. we want to move on to politics now. i think the lead story this morning is on the democratic side. take a look at this. with only three weeks to go before the iowa caucuses in less than 30 days until the new hampshire primary, new polling shows a very close race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders in those early voting states. hillary clinton is leading bernie sanders by 3 minutes to iowa. >> so obviously that's a tie. they're in the margin of era. >> 48 to 45. that's inside the margin of era. meanwhile in new hampshire it's sanders on top beating hillary, that, too, within the margin of error. a new fox poll has sanders with an even wider lead. in this poll he's ahead of
clinton by 13 points in new hampshire. and sander performs better than clinton in early states as well. and in iowa, clinton leads donald trump by 8 points among registered voters but sanders leads him by 13. in new hampshire clinton is ahead of trump by 13 but sanders tops him by 19, apparently emboldened by those numbers and other like them, sanders had this to say about his electability yesterday. >> well, for a start i would urge those voters, voters all over this country, take a look at recent polls in which bernie sanders is matched with republican candidates trump on down. hillary clinton is matched with republican candidates. so if people are concerned about electability and democrats should be very concerned because we certainly do not want to see some right wing extremist in the white house, i think bernie sanders is the candidate. >> mark halperin, you look at
the numbers, especially in new hampshire where bernie sanders is doing about 12, 13 points better than hillary clinton against donald trump, suddenly the electability argument swings against clinton and towards sanders. >> we've been saying here for months he's got to win in iowa and new hampshire has to be in play. the electability argument is something she's pushing back on. you look at the messaging from the clinton campaign, she says she's the one that can stop trump from winning and going after issues relating to guns. sanders is confident. i spent yesterday evening with him. saw him doing an event rallying his supporters. it's not a confidence born of mistaken understanding by what's going on. he sees what's going on. he's confident. doesn't count her out. but this is a fight in two states. if you wake up in new hampshire and he's won them both, it's a
totally different world. >> you've been saying for some time he could win both states before the rest of us said that. you look not only the fact he's ahead in iowa, ahead in new hampshire, the two states all of these candidates are going to be judged by primarily, and then you look at the fund-raising totals last week where he's raising like $30 million a kwar average contribution, $27 per contribution, he looks like he's built to last. talk about what democrats are quietly saying happens if clinton loses new hampshire. the whole world changes very quickly if clinton loses iowa and new hampshire, doesn't it? >> it changes but we can't say
how. the question will be begged. hillary clinton this is not a surprised she was going to be in a race against bernie sanders. sanders people will argue with some validity how can she be popular enough to win a general election. the latest poll numbers show sanders doing better, gives him momentum. there was a period in october where biden didn't get in, she got through the benghazi hearing, there was no doubt that was a low point for the sanders campaign. they're back doing very good. >> you said name i'm going to follow up with. harold, it's not a zero sum game. it's not clinton versus sanders here. if what i'm hearing, what mark is hearing what others are hearing and sometimes from
people very close to those sources is that if hillary loses in iowa to bernie sanders, a guy that most in the democratic establishment do not think she should be close to right now and then she loses in new hampshire, you have messrs biden -- >> why can't they get behind sanders and support him? >> it's the same thing bobby kennedy did in 1968 after lbj showed weakness. >> are we making the same mistake that people have made about trump?
bernie sanders is not even a star. he's making a movement. >> i am not offering my opinion. >> okay. >> i am being a reporter -- >> okay. >> saying those close to john kerry and joe biden have said specifically that if she loses iowa and new hampshire, they're going to have to take a much closer look on -- and the entire democratic party on what their best shot is to win the nomination and then expect joe biden and elizabeth warren or john kerry and elizabeth warren to have further discussions about running for the nomination. >> there's probably little doubt if the scenario that you've drawn up and it happens and you have two losses early on, i would imagine to your point, mika, the fact that mr. sanders is about socialists, even though the polling suggestions he would perform well against mr. trump,
i think a lot of people think that could change. we have a little time here. if mrs. clinton does not perform well in either of these states, then this conversation will start. >> it's the same mistake republicans made. >> you say we have time left but on a couple weeks left. >> mrs. clinton lost iowa to senator obama. the thinking was that senator obama would be empossible to stop. she went on to win new hampshire and lost the nomination, performed well throughout. if she loses both, that conversation -- >> we've underestimated bernie sanders and i -- >> why would the democrats be immune from the disgust? they've won washington for years. the notion that it wouldn't color --
>> you have this outcome on both sides. i mean, dean was hot. even senator obama -- i don't compare him and sanders -- >> well, you should. except for bernie sanders has a life long career of experience in washington. >> but senator obama was not about socialism is my point. but the movement was the same. >> still ahead, our interviews with john kasich and mike huckabee. can they find a way to break out in one of those early states? plus -- >> be bold, be specific, have an agenda and present it to the country. that's what this congress is going to do in 2016. >> how is the effort -- >> aw, crap. hold on, whole thing just fell down on us here. can you hear us? >> we can hear everything, paul. we can hear everything. this is going to make some clips.
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these are the people want we want to happen in this country and we're worried the country is more polarized and more bitter. i think all americans feel that way. >> you saw america four years ago up close when you were running with mitt romney. >> i did. >> how much angrier are they today than they were four years ago? >> more so i think because the intervening four years were pretty bad. i think people are angrier, more frustrated and it feels like it's slipping out of our control. the idea of doing well, rising, making live better for the next generation, for your kids and they have an even better life. that legacy is slipping away from us. that's what have people panicked, i think. >> what would be the party's responsibility in this? what can you do to change, especially given the political landscape, the campaign that's happening, that seems to have taken off in a direction of its own? >> i'm a jack kemp, ronald reagan conservative. i believe we need to be
inspirational and inclusive and see how our policies apply to everybody. that's something in primaries you don't get an opportunity to do. the other part is we're in a bit of a panic attack. we're high anxiety because the left has had a pretty good run. barack obama got elected twice. he was able steam roll things through now that that he had control of congress. now we see the economy weak, the future uncertain, panic, frustration, anger. the way i look at this is opportunity. there's opportunity here. there's opportunity that if you take these principles and go apply them to these problems, we can make a difference and we should not be following the democrats and playing identity politics. identity politics is one of the reasons why we're so polarized and so bitter. i'm a conservative, i'm going to hit the left.
the president played identity politics with devastating effect. that's not the only reason why we're polarized but it's one of the reasons and there's a temptation to follow suit with our own version of that. we should steer clear and get back to the ronald reagan, jack kemp morning in american -- let's not talk to people in ways that separate them from other people. let's talk to ways that talk to people that combine us, that are universal, that are unique to america's founding. that's what people are yearning and hungry for. that is the essence, the guts of the republican party. >> still relevant in 2016. do you have think he's practiced yet? do you think he stands in front of the mirror and practiced? >> i don't know. he just took the beard off. >> you didn't like my beard? >> i liked it. >> no one made a comment about it when i had it for deer season last year.
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that's how you define recession. it's because of energy companies suffering off of weak oil. the big banks are going to really kick off ail little bit later on in the week. i did want to also mention macy's, which is under pressure by an investors to look at its holdings and potentially put them up for sale to unlock value for investors. macy's has really been suffering as a result of the warm weather, lower tourist spending and just lower mall traffic in general. one activist investor is suggesting it should look into selling its harold square location, which could be worth as much as $3 billion, $4 billion, that prized piece of new york city real estate. we'll see what macy's does with that. and wanted to leave you with the final note on the powerball going to $1.3 billion. mika, interestingly if you have
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this weekend joe and i sat down with governor kasich and began our conversation with the republican presidential candidate by asking him about the most important subject in his life. >> before we turn the cameras on, we're talking about the most important subject in your life and her life. >> yeah, my daughter turns 16. they're taking a lot of driving. my wife is running the show. they've had the defensive driving course and all that. but i tell you, you know at the end we can't control -- you've got two, 19 and 17. >> we just worry night and day. get ready to worry for the next ten years. >> what do they tell you about -- >> i would like to put a phone slammer that makes the phones go
off. the texting, it's very tempting. it's frightening. >> so kemp forum. this seems like a place that was built for you. >> jack came to my district one time and said "upon closing" and spoke for 30 more minutes. people say keep it short. it's an impossibility. jack -- i don't want to be not respectful, but when i heard that jack had died, it was like impossible for me to accept it because his energy level is just so huge that that's why his spirit is here today. i mean, he was just a force of nature. you know. he was just incredible, growth, opportunity, but charisma. he just had it all. >> let's talk about new hampshire. >> he was a republican john kennedy, in a lot of ways. in a lot of ways. >> i was going to say a
republican john kasich. up guys had a lot in common, including that energy. i'm getting a lot of reports on the ground from a lot of people i've known for a long time in new hampshire politics telling me that the crowds, your events are bigger, people are getting more exciting and they sense something on the ground. you're tied for second with jeb right now. what's happening? >> i think people are getting more serious and people say what are you going to change, what are you going to do? i said i'm not doing anything. i'm going to be myself. you and i are similar, we let it go, we have fun. that's what i'm do bing but wita solid vision and a solid record. i sense something and this is what i talk about now. people think the system -- we've all thought this for a long time, that the rich people, the
special interests run everything. and if i'm just a working stiff, if i play by the rules and i just have common sense, i get nothing. i spent a lot of time telling them about my mother, being a coal miners mother and those are the people i grew up with. >> if you're sworn in as the next president of the united states, 45th president of the united states, what's the first thing you'll do -- >> it's all jobs, joe. the first day is you call everybody and say let stop having a war and secondly let's get on the path to getting some common sense regulation, let's get some tax reform and get particularly the corporate taxes down so people will invest in america rather than in europe, these big companies and let's
get on a path to balancing the budget and i'm willing to take your ideas and that certainty will create economic growth and secondly we have to rebuild the defense. but i have to find the magical defense secretary who is not going to beat up people in the pentagon but isn't going to get rolled over people in the pentagon and we have to create personal relationships with these world leaders. >> can you create personal relationships unlike this president with the people in the other party? >> of course you know we can do that. >> cuff do that with nancy pelosi, with chuck schumer, with other democrats? >> i've worked with them before. >> but things have changed in washington since we left. >> i still go there and people come up and say we miss you, can't we get something done here? with nancy, i'm friendly with
her. i don't agree with nancy -- when i went down for the netanyahu swee speech, she escorted me to the democratic side and said if you don't agree with me on nine out of ten issue, what about the tenth? can we do something? we're americans before republicans and democrats. i negotiated a budget in the middle of impeachment, government shutdown and we still got it done, right? we can do it. >> is respect part of healing this? what's the problem? >> people just clinging to their party, vitriol, let me just hammer you, no respect and personal attacks. if somebody is criticizing you or arguing with you on the air, you are don't mind it. but when they start getting personal with you, that changes things. we haven't had the leadership there to say stop it.
i think paul ryan is good. he needs help from the white house you have to have a very good agenda that's reasonable. take my tax plan. i'm not saying we go to a 10% tax plan, that's not doable. i know we can get lower corporate taxes. i have no doubt about that. everybody in the world knows our taxes are too high. there are definite areas where we can pick off enough people in the democratic party to make it legitimate. that's what reagan did with the bowl weefls. we're not going to fix it if we don't have some bipartisan. if people say i don't want anything to do with this, i want a guy to go in with a sledge hammer, fine, but nothing is going to get fixed. it means we have to battle the system but make the system better.
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rage he's seeing on the campaign trail but we began with a simple question. can he still win iowa? >> i was way down in the polls eight years ago. rick santorum was way down in the polls five days out. it's a ground game. and it's about iowa voters breaking late. >> are they going to break your way? >> i think as they start looking at the candidates, they don't know a lot about some of the newer candidates. they know a lot more about me. my favorability is the highest of any candidate, unfavorable is the lowest. a lot of times people will say i like a lot of these guys but i want to go with a guy i know. >> i asked rick santorum, he's the same guy he was eight years ago, you're the same guy. >> thank for noticing that. >> i asked rick what happened.
each said a lot of them have gone to cruz. how to you get people to go back to support you. >> i don't say something different in margaltown iowa than i say in manhattan. >> are you talking about the ted cruz tape where he talked differently -- >> it's not on that is correct it's ethanol, immigration, the visa program, syrian refugees, whether it's a host of issues where the marriage issue is one of them and the tenth amendment. those are certainly issues that i think i've been consistent on. nobody hears me differently in one state -- >> but ted cruz is not on those issues you just named? >> those are well established points he has taken where he's had different positions. >> is he opportunistic? >> i'm going to let you guys -- you're the pundits. i'm running for president. i'm out there talking to working people about jobs.
>> i read a story about how you, santorum and other conservatives have expressed concerns that he's an opportunist, he's not a true social conservative. >> i'll leave that to your evaluation. my job is to just remind people that the things i have have said this year are no different than the things i've said for the past 26 years. the things that i believe and the positions i have taken are the same and the consistency i believe that they see in me is going to matter. >> republicans control 60% of the state legislatures, they control 60% of the governors mansions, they control the house, biggest majority since 1928, they control the united states senate and yet seems the democrats dictate the terms of every single debate, whether it's iran, whether it's trade, whether it's the budget, whether it's health care, whether it's education. >> lack of leadership. lack of leadership. because if the republicans sit
down at the card table and the other side knows they're going to fold as soon as they ante up -- >> why do we always fold? >> i don't think they believe -- they don't believe that they can win the fight. when they don't believe it and it's in their eyes, the other guy says we're going to beat these guys. >> how do you get them to believe they're going to win? >> they have to act like they're going to win. the p they have to be willing to have the consequences of the fight. it would be many things. it could be the public is mad at them. the nonsense is that we'll get blamed for a shutdown, only because they allow themselves to be blamed for that. they can't shut down the government. they present a government. if the president vetoes and refuses to sign it, he shuts
down the government. they don't have enough spokemen on the republican side to explain that. it fairly simple. it's not that complicated and they should be talking about it. >> seething rage, is that what's happening with donald trump? >> part of it. but he's also touched a nerve about optimism. americans truly do want to win. that's in our dna. that's who we are. >> we love winners. >> we love winners and we believe we are winners. we believe we're the greatest nation on earth and i think we are. i think donald says let's act like it. let's quick acting look, oh, whatever mr. putin wants to do. other, we can't enforce that red line. there isn't one and all. there's nothing we can do, even to go get our soldiers who are under siege in libya. people are sick of that. >> fascinating poll last week that we revealed on our show that actually the myth that
trumpism and that the republican party is driven by the angry white male voter is actually wrong. it's driven by the angry white female voter, that female voters are much more likely to be angry today and angry today than even men. why is that? >> i think they feel run valuable. i think we all feel somewhat vulnerable but i go back to my point. you know, women, i don't know that they feel safe. they feel like that the country is not adequately defending them against potential threats, whether it's a physical threat or an economic threat and that the government is so disconnected from reality. you think about how many women are single moms and they drive to the day care, drop their kids off, they drive to work, they work all day, they go back, pick up their kids, they go home, they're dead tired, they barely can make a sandwich for their kids because they don't have money more much more it and that and they're wondering if their
kids are going to make it through school. they're truly fearful for their kid at school, will they ever be able to afford college? they know on their income they can't. there's a myriad of things. it not one thing. it's i it's the accumulation of all of these stresses that really concern people. it's a combination. you add they will all up and they feel like the government could care less. the government continue, they get their paychecks, they get their health care, they get a pension. they're fine. but the people out in america don't feel like they're fine. ♪ ♪
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doesn don't get emotional. it's embarrassing, okay? that award is, no offense, worthless. it's a bit of metal that some nice old confused journalists wanted to give you in person so they could meet you and have a selfie with you. okay? that's all it is. ♪ ♪ time now to talk about what we learned today. did we learn anything? >> what did you learn? >> still thinking about it. go ahead. >> really? >> yeah. >> i learned a lot of really
impressive republican candidates, what we saw at the kemp forum down in south carolina was not what we see every day in the presidential campaign and really, really impressive group of candidates. what did you learn? >> i learned that there are more david bowie songs than the ones i cycle through in my car. i'm going to go put them in. >> jeb bush's command of foreign policy, first time i've seen the interview, the two of you brought that out. for those of us who look policy and want to see it. and tom hanks gave the best introduction to denzel washington at the golden globe award. >> i'm going to say it. i'm rooting for clemson tonight. >> wow, fighting -- >> why? >> it's time. it time. if it's way too early, joe, what time is it?
>> rama jamma, go alabama, give 'em hell, alabama. we'll see you tomorrow. >> it not going to help. ♪ >> and right now on msnbc, live from mexico city, the spectacular capture of joaquin el chapo guzman as they prepare to expedite the most notorious drug lord to the united states. >> and new polling shows the candidates running neck and neck in the early states. and the rock 'n' roll visionary whose career spans six decades. we remember david bowie, dead at 69. good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart from mexico city.