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mr. speaker, the president of the united states. >> so just eight hours from now, president obama will make that walk across the house floor and deliver his final state of the union address. hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. great to have you with me. 9:00 p.m. eastern tonight, that's when the president is going to speak to congress and the nation. the white house saying expect a non-traditional address, not the usual laundry list of proposals. instead a president reflecting on his time in office, the challenges and the triumphs. obama saying this about tonight's speech to nbc's matt lauer. >> we went through a lot over these last ten years. we went through katrina, we went through the iraq war, we went
through the worst financial crisis in our lifetimes. we are still battling terrorism. people are still recovering from some of the economic blows that hit. and it is sometimes important for us to step back and take measure of how far we've come. >> want to begin with nbc news correspondent ron allen, live at the white house. so we say this term non-traditional address. what are you hearing from the white house, the president's staff, about how it's going to be so different? >> reporter: one thing we understand it will be on the shorter side, less than an hour, perhaps. one of the shortest speeches we are told, and that from a president who is not known for brevity. that would be interesting. we understand the president has been working on this all night, up until midnight or so, and the final draft was finally handed to him by his staff. non-traditional, it's not going to be a to do list for congress or laundry list of policy prescriptions. it's going to be as he was saying in that bite, the
president, a look back at how far we've come and the president feels that he has a very good story to tell about how the economy has improved, about how there's universal health care now for the most part, about how same sex marriage is the law of the land, and how even though the wars in iraq and afghanistan are not over, there are many fewer troops there now going forward. he's going to also have to reassure the nation because we know that his job approval ratings and his approval ratings for how he's handling the issue of terrorism are not what he would want them to be. here is what his deputy national security advisor ben rhodes had to say about that part of the speech. >> i think what he will reassure the american people of is that just as we were relentless in going after al qaeda and taking out their leadership and disrupting their plotting and dismantling that network, we are doing the same thing with isil today. >> reporter: the president called isis a blind alley, saying the people in that part of the world will turn on them eventually as they did with al qaeda. of course, with al qaeda there
was a lot of military activity from the united states as well that destroyed a lot of isis targets and leaders and so on and so forth. that's where we are. we expect to hear a lofty speech. the president making perhaps what you might call a closing argument about the job he's done and of course, very mindful of his legacy and place in history. >> you say closing argument but is this an opening statement for the candidate he wants to see take the white house in 2016? first campaign speech, basically? >> reporter: it's very much, yes, of course, because the president is very competitive and very committed to seeing a democrat take his place. yes, it will be very political in some respects. it will be about goals and challenges but there will also be imagery like an empty chair in the box where the first lady will be seated, the empty chair for the 30,000 victims of gun violence, says the administration. a very powerful image i'm sure will be something that will be very strong throughout the evening.
so yes, a lot of politics and of course, the president's record is very central to the campaign. it's much of what the republicans talk about when they are out on the trail. >> we are just looking at new video that's come in to us of president obama working in the oval office, also there are fresh video images of the president walking the colonnade. this is an iconic image of the president at work, especially when so many people are eager to hear what he has to say tonight. ron, thank you. i appreciate it. captain mark kelly is a retired nasa astronaut and the husband of former congresswoman gabby giffords who survived that shooting in tucson in 2011. kelly and giffords founding the group americans for responsible solutions in an effort to promote responsible gun ownership. captain, nice to see you. >> thanks for having me on. >> absolutely. we know that president obama is expected to address gun control measures in his speech and in fact, the white house is saying about this that as we just heard
from ron, there will be this empty seat located in the first lady's box in honor of victims lost to gun violence who don't have a voice any longer. do you agree with that style of political theater and do you think in any way that it's going to help sway minds? >> well, i mean, when you are talking about 30,000 individuals that are dying every single year from gun violence and i mean, those are the deaths, right? there's about 100,000 people that are shot every single year and the horrific toll that that has on communities and you know, even look at the costs involved. you know, the toll it takes on our economy. i don't look at it as political theater. i look at it as making a statement that these people matter and the president has spoken about this issue time and time again. he served as president as a number of mass shootings, the mass shootings that we all see
that are on tv, these numbers have gone up so i think it's the right statement to make. >> we are looking at images from january 5th when the president announced the executive actions that he wanted to enforce about reform. but mark, after last year's state of the union address, there were headlines about this and the president did not mention the word guns in that speech. he made one oblique reference but it was the subject that was mostly ignored. why do you think it's been so difficult to sustain this effort to promote gun reform and this is the new video of the president. mark, why do you think it's so difficult to have this message heard, especially when one of their colleagues was almost assassinated at a congress on your corner, your wife? >> i think people get numb to it. they, over time, start to think of this as like this is the normal way that we have to live in our society. but that's not the case. we can come up with some very
common sense solutions that gun owners like gabby and i support, things like closing background checks, things like the president did last week in executive orders, that can drive down these numbers and result in a safer society. we can do that. >> do you support the second amendment, you are gun owners and have been very vocal about that support in your efforts, and advocacy for gun reform and we know that the number of executive actions on guns announced by president obama really narrows in on what's known as the gun show loophole. do you really see that as part of the president's legacy? >> on this issue, yeah, i do. you know, we sell about 40% of all guns without a background check and that's just plain wrong. we should do everything we can to keep guns out of the hands of felons, people who are domestic abusers and those who are
dangerously mentally ill. at this point, after everything the president has said, after every one of these very public mass shootings, congress has done something pretty remarkable. they have done absolutely nothing. so what i hope happens tonight is the president once again calls on congress to enact strong federal legislation that addresses things like loopholes in our background check system and other ways that congress can address this serious problem of gun violence. >> we know your wife meets face-to-face with her former colleagues in congress, has talked about this issue. how do those folks respond to her? and is it like dragging a horse to water to get them to understand? >> you know, i think as individuals, it depends on the person. gabby is going to be sitting with the congresswoman from newtown tonight and they are in a club that nobody really wants
to be a member of, and that's a club of people that have been seriously impacted by horrific gun violence. you know, there are a lot of members of congress that are beholden to the gun lobby that don't need to be, that should be able to vote on common sense solutions, things that most people, most americans agree with. 90% of americans agree that you should get a background check before buying a gun so any member of congress should be able to vote on a bill that closes those loopholes, but they don't, because they are fearful of the gun lobby. >> we will talk about that right now with the congressman coming up as a guest. captain mark kelly, thank you, sir. thank you to your wife. coming up later this hour, we will speak to senior advisor valerie jarrett, about the state of the union and the president's address. joining me now is democratic congressman from new york, elliott engel, also ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee. sir, you were listening to captain kelly there. we know the president has
executive actions announced about gun reform but do you support the president's willingness to circumvent you and your congressional colleagues about this issue? >> well, i support the president because i think he's doing what any common sense person would did. it's been very frustrating for all of us to see these mass killings happen again and again and again, and each time, congress is powerless to do anything about it. so i guess you could make an esoteric argument and say that the president is acting on his own and that's not good, but frankly, i think that gun violence is so horrific that i'm glad he's acting. it would be preferable for the congress to act but it's cloer t clear that the congress is not going to act so the president is doing what he can do in a small, measured way, to have sensible gun control. i think that the vast majority of the american people would agree with him. >> so there has been certainly a ripple reaction from the left and on the right about this
issue when it comes to gun reform measures, second amendment rights for people in this country. we have certain presidential candidates who have spoken out. we have ben carson this morning criticizing the group c.a.r.e., its members of that group invited to the state of the union. i want to play a portion. take a listen. >> they have invited members of c.a.r.e., council for american islamic relations. these are people who i have called for an investigation of. they have done things that are clearly, you know, not pro-american. and you know, we can't now sit there and say oh, these are buddy-buddies of ours, let's go ahead and investigate the thing. if they are our buddies, let's put that clearly out there and if they're not our buddies, let's not be giving them access to the ability to further carry on what they call a civilization jihad.
>> so what do you make of ben carson talking about c.a.r.e., why they should not be invited? a thi a lot of people remember that organization standing up after the shootings in san bernardino and trying to take the lead of talking about what the farooks meant to this country. there has been a debate about muslim americans but does he have a right and a point in what he's saying about the organization and being there with you this evening? >> well, we have 435 members of the house, 100 members of the senate, a president and lots of members of the administration. i'm sure all of us are not going to agree all the time with people to invite. i think some of the people that ben carson would like to invite, i probably wouldn't agree with. but i think once we start getting into that, that's not very good for a free country. so i think everybody can invite whomever they like. i look at tonight as a wonderful celebration of american
democracy. it's something that very few countries have and i know for me, growing up in a working class family in the bronx, i could have only dreamed that one day i would be at the state of the union. so i think we shouldn't harp on who invites who, but really just celebrate the democracy that is ours and we are going to have differences of opinion but i think once we start trying to point a finger and censor this group or that, there's no end to it. let's let everybody invite whoever they want and we can all disagree on who is invited but i don't think we should bck anybody from coming. >> you talk about the privilege you have of being there. we typically see you get prime seating for the state of the union address. how early are you going to get there? >> well, i have to finish the interview with you because someone's saving a seat for me. if you are the one that makes me lose my seat i'm going to come and get you. >> my goodness, we have to let you go. >> i got there in the morning
and there were already six or seven people ahead of me. a lot of people come in the morning and again, i think it's a wonderful way to celebrate our wonderful democracy and our public and i would hope that, you know, i'm a big person that thinks we should reach across the aisle and i hope the president tonight will come up with some ideas that i hope our republican colleagues will accept and not just oppose it because he's the president saying it. >> please personally thank the person that is watching your seat that allowed you the hall pass to come speak with me. congressman, thank you, sir. i appreciate it. >> thank you. my pleasure. coming up later this hour, i will look ahead to tonight's address with white house senior advisor valerie jarrett. she will be my guest and you are also going to have a chance to tell us what you think about the president's remarks all in real-time throughout his address this evening. we will take your pulse as that speech streams live on msnbc.com. you can watch and share your opinion at the same time. pulse.msnbc.com. and join rachel maddow and chris
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senator ted cruz is stumping in hudson, new hampshire. he's also going to be holding a state of our uniontown hall in londonderry tonight. he is skipping the state of the union. jeb bush is holding a town meeting in iowa and hillary clinton is on the trail in iowa today as well, expected to appear about an hour and a half from now. we have less than a month before the first in the nation presidential primary and a new poll shows that bernie sanders is leading hillary clinton by double digits in new hampshire. we will check in now with steve kornacki, msnbc anchor and political guru about what this means. is this a sanders surge or just a confirmation that he was always probably going to take new hampshire? >> it's tough to tell. certainly this is a state, new hampshire, that the clinton campaign very much would still like to win. it's a little volatile right now. we have had different numbers from different poll s in the lat week. the monmouth poll in the last couple hours has bernie sanders up 53% to 39% over hillary in new hampshire. we should say our own nbc/marist
poll had the lead at four points for sanders in new hampshire so there is volatility there. what we can say when we look at all the recent polling out of new hampshire, it definitely looks like sanders is ahead there. but the bigger development in the last hour is also a new poll out of iowa. now, hillary clinton has generally been leading in iowa but look at this. this is the new quinnipiac poll. it has bernie sanders moving ahead of hillary by five points in iowa, 49% to 44%. the really interesting thing is when you dig inside the numbers, look at this. first time caucus goers, people who have never gone to caucus before, bernie sanders is beating hillary clinton by 40 points among that group. so that's the question for sanders in iowa. can he turn out the people who have never turned out before and it points to that sort of dream scenario for sanders, the dread scenario for clinton. could he ever win iowa, get momentum, roll it in new hampshire, win there, and suddenly we are looking at a world where hillary clinton loses the first two contests and doesn't lose them to just anybody. loses them to a self-declared
socialist from vermont. that would be an amazing development. >> what does that mean for the safety net of the south? >> that becomes the big question. what the clinton campaign has been pointing to and what they will still point to is south carolina is next. she leads by 40, 50 points there, pick your poll. she has a huge advantage in particular with african-american voters. they will say get out of iowa, get out of new hampshire, get to more diverse states, she wins there. what the sanders campaign will tell you is if she loses iowa, if she loses new hampshire, all bets are off in those next states because voters there will re-evaluate what they have been saying. >> we will see if the dnc is ready to go with the b plan. thank you. appreciate it. joining me is former rnc chairman michael steele. good to have you with me. >> good to be with you. >> i will saunter back to the set and leave mr. kornacki in the newsroom. we appreciate that report because boy, that is very telling when we look at those numbers and the widening gap for bernie sanders over hillary clinton, especially when we have donald trump on the right
leading and showing a big lead from last week. as we look at that, the only person that seems to really benefit from trump hitting hillary clinton is bernie sanders. do you agree with how he's campaigning against her? >> i do. i think basically, what you see from the trump side of this equation is an inoculation. what trump has done is inoculate himself from charges of sexism and anti-women behavior by hillary clinton by bringing the president, her husband, into the conversation in a way that has effectively shut them up. you have not heard the clintons talk about any of that relative to trump since that happened. on the bernie sanders side, bernie's sitting there going thank you, because what it does is creates the doubt and the concern among that volatile part of the democrat base. the folks who are coming out for the first time, the folks who aren't that sure about hillary to begin with, and it gives them a space to move into relatively
comfortably. the question for both of these players towards hillary is for trump, do you continue that to the point where it begins to hurt you and clearly, trump has decided there is a point where he will back off, and for bernie, the question becomes how do you take advantage of it. how do you turn that into actual votes on caucus day over the next few weeks. >> so when we think about what we are expecting tonight with the state of the union, we know that the president will most likely talk about those executive actions on gun reform for the country. we know where bernie sanders stands. his voting record speaks for itself. but hillary clinton seems to be defining the attacks between she and bernie sanders. take a listen. >> you voted for what the nra said was the biggest nra priority giving them immunity. he says well, i'm from vermont. pat leahy, the other senator from vermont, voted against
immunity for the gun lobby. so no, that's not an explanation. >> so do you think that hillary clinton is defining distinctly the differences between her and bernie sanders because he is such a contender, a real worry for iowa and new hampshire? >> it is a worry for iowa and new hampshire but keep in mind that this cuts only but so deep. there is, yeah, in the democratic primary this is going to be a nice issue for hillary to go after bernie on but remember, a lot of democrats bake into that equation the fact where bernie's from. bernie has been consistent on this issue over the years. he's not flip-flopped, he's not just come into his views on guns, particularly given how people in vermont, the people he represents, feel about the issue. so i don't think this cuts as deeply as hillary would like it to. she is certainly going to try to make it cut deep to create a greater wedge, but i think bernie is going to be okay in
the long run because even projecting forward beyond an iowa and a new hampshire, when you get to the south, that argument is not going to hold forth as well as hillary may hope, because a lot of those folks support the nra and support gun ownership. >> michael steele, thank you. always nice to see you. that's a good-looking tie today. >> thank you, man. appreciate it. just for you, babe. >> feel free to mail it. thank you, sir. we turn now to developing news, a look inside el chapo's safe house. nbc's gabe gutierrez will join me from mexico after this.
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the bomber is being described as a syrian national in his late 20s. the explosion happened in a popular tourist area. the turkish prime minister says most of the fat jlities were german tourists. we are now getting our first look at the full 17-minute "rolling stone" interview with the drug kingpin el chapo. that interview conducted by sean penn released shortly after el chapo's capture on friday. we are also seeing el chapo's mug shot for the first time. the photos have not been verified by nbc news as of now. meantime, white house national deputy security advisor ben
rhodes said this about sean penn's involvement just moments ago. >> i think sean penn as he has said himself was there to conduct an interview. he was not there as a part of any u.s. government effort to apprehend el chapo. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez is live outside the home of el chapo that he used as a hideout. really fascinating to see this hideout complete with the false walls and of course, the tunnels there. >> reporter: that's exactly right. it was a very fascinating look. as you mentioned, "rolling stone" posting that 17-minute interview. in that interview, el chapo says that freedom is beautiful. that freedom ended for him on friday in this area. we got to take an up-close look. it was a fierce gun battle. the evidence still here, shattered glass and blood on the floor. in the kitchen, utter chaos. blankets strewn across the floor as well as food and this refrigerator, it was clear that
whatever happened here happened in a hurry and people were struggling to get out. the mexican marines invited us here to show us and give us a closer picture of what this raid looked like. as we walk up the stairs, we can see many bullet holes. right here, what appears to be an explosion. this is one of the bedrooms inside the home. interesting detail here, what's laying on the bed. several dvd copies of a movie starring kate del castillo. the people here were obviously ready for this and had the weapons stored here to be able to put up some type of huge fight but mexican marines came prepared as well. five people were killed in this home. six people arrested. as was the case with many of el chapo's safe houses before, this one certainly had plenty of surprises. here in this closet, what appears to be a false wall. behind this corner, sharp drop. now that we are underground, you can see how elaborate this was.
a tunnel here constructed with all this wood had to have taken quite a long time, complete with power so that el chapo and whoever escaped with him could see exactly where they were going. el chapo and his top lieutenant rushed through this passageway for about a half mile before emerging on the other side, stealing a car but that driver called in a tip to police and authorities were able to track them down. this was a house that was clearly remodeled to fit el chapo's purposes. and this is where he spent his final moments of freedom. the mexican government is still working on extraditing especially chel chapo but his lawyers are fighting it. the process could take months or years. >> thank you very much, gabe. interesting to see the hideout where el chapo was arrested, five people were killed in that raid and total of six people arrested there including him. >> unbelievable look. thank you. back now with more on our top story of the day, the
coverage of president obama's final state of the union address that's coming up this evening at 9:00 p.m. there will be a lot of talk about the goals and the speech tonight, the address being a little more less traditional than in years past. we have the president saying that he wants to focus on the circumstances and legislative battles that define those years from health care to the loss of the democratic majority in congress to his own re-election fight in 2012. take a listen. >> i believe we can and i believe we must. that's what the people who sent us here expect of us. with their votes, they have determined that governing will now be a shared responsibility between parties. >> we have come too far to turn back now. as long as i'm president, i will work with anyone in this chamber to build on this momentum. but i intend to fight obstruction with action and i will oppose any effort to return
to the very same policies that brought on this economic crisis in the first place. >> i have no more campaigns to run. my only agenda -- i know because i won both of them. >> all right. president obama showing some swagger there from his last state of the union. joining us now is white house senior advisor, valerie jarrett. thanks for joining me. >> my pleasure. good afternoon. >> so the optics are going to be different with speaker ryan in behind the president as opposed to speaker john boehner and we have this as everybody has been saying, the final state of the union address for the president and he look at the approval rating for him, and he's underwater on most issues. we look at foreign policy to terrorism to the economy. how does the president define his legacy tonight? >> well, i think what the president is interested tonight is not talking about his legacy but really talking about the big
challenges that we have that lie ahead as a country. he will give an optimistic speech. he challenges us every day to keep our foot on the pedal, on the accelerator and push as hard as we can even though he's in the fourth quarter, he still has another half of the fourth quarter left and so he will talk about the possibilities that we have as a country. it's a great country. we are a country that has made enormous progress over our history and we will continue to do so if we embrace that and we take the steps that the president will outline today. so it's not as much a traditional speech where you would list the policy objectives of the year ahead, but rather, to look at five, ten, 15 years down the line and the progress our country can make if we work together. >> i know that this morning in matt lauer's interview with the president, he talked about asking the president about security for his own daughters and the president said well, i certainly know it's not going to take until they are 54 years old to see isis defeated.
and other terrorist organizations. he feels that there is swifter timelines in doing so. but to defeat and degrade isis, there are people on the left and the right that would say that this white house strategy isn't working. how is the president going to lay those fears aside for americans tonight? >> he certainly will talk a lot about how important it is to him to keep america safe. there is no responsibility he has that is greater than that and we are making progress but it is a long, hard battle. what i can assure the american people is that every single day, as long as he is in office, that will be his top priority and he will devote the resources and time and energy towards that effort. we will defeat them but it will take time. >> meanwhile, republican presidential candidate ben carson wants an investigation for two muslims from the c.a.i.r. organization that will be guests at the state of the union. do you think that this is the right tone?
this is something that carson has accused this group of being clearly not pro-american. what's your response to that? >> you know what i think one of our strengths as a country has been, the fact that we have always been a nation of immigrants. we have always celebrated diversity. it is our strength, it is what allows us to be the innovators the world over. some of the nasty rhetoric that we have seen lately directed towards the muslim community is just not who we are as a people. i met with a group of muslim leaders a few weeks ago. they told me stories about how their children are being spit at and kicked and tormented and bullied both in person and online. we have to ask ourselves is that really what we want to do for americans? they are americans first. we have always been a country that recognize the diversity of religion. our freedom of religion is a basic part of our constitution. so we really should ask ourselves and i think part of what the president has done in his first election, his second election and certainly during his time in office, is to be a
union fie unifier, to bring peo together, to appreciate we have far more in common and our country would be better off if we work as one. >> also in that interview this morning as you talk about the president wanting to be a uni unifier, he says he regrets that hasn't been more impactful. >> i think the rhetoric we see here in washington as he said this morning doesn't really reflect the good spirit of our country. if you look at the people, for example, who will be guests of the president in the first lady's box tonight, they really reflect that grit and determination and resilience and heroism of just average american people who are able to do exceptional things. that's the story he wants to tell. just as last week when he put this emphasis on what we can do to get guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, and he held up by example people who have gotten engaged on this issue, he would like to engage our citizenry generally on all the issues we have to do to ensure that as we enter into the
next decade and the decade after that, that the united states remains the greatest country on earth. we are a great country and that doesn't mean that we don't have challenges that we have to say, when the president gave his remarks in selma he talked about exceptionalism and part of our exceptionalism is being willing to challenge ourself and make us better. but not tear us down. not put our country down. and certainly not isolate ourselves from the rest of the world because the big challenges we have ahead are going to require engagement. >> val -- >> they will require engagement here and around the world. >> valerie jarrett, thank you for your time. we will all be watching tonight, 9:00 for the state of the union. thank you. coming up next, we take everybody live to capitol hill. i will speak with the republican from missouri after this break. s who you're wearing... toenail fungus!? whaaat?!? fight it! with jublia. jublia is a prescription medicine... ...used to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. jublia is workin' it!
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defeat isis. americans are so anxious right now about their security, about what's going on around the world. >> so there we have house speaker paul ryan talking about what he would like to hear this evening during the state of the union address. i want to hear from another republican member of congress. joining me now is congresswoman vicky hartzler of missouri. i hope you were able to hear the conversation with valerie jarrett. >> i was. >> okay. so do you think and do you agree with how she would characterize what the president will talk tonight in regard to isis and defeatg aspects of international and domestic terrorism? >> well, he hasn't shown leadership and that's why we are in the poor state that we are with our foreign affairs in the past but i would like to hear a plan from him on how he's going to defeat isis. you know, his policies have hurt americans. we have less americans working now than back in the '70s. people have lost their health care insurance and their deductibles have gone up and
americans don't feel like they are safer because they're not. so i hope he doesn't sugar-coat it and puts out a comprehensive plan to address these issues. >> we know the president talked this morning about when he took over the white house, there were issues with katrina, the economy, being in a terrible spiral, that they had to reengage to the point where it is now, also talking about iraq and the situation that we were in in that country. now, when we have that as things we can talk about in hindsight and talk about things that have been improved upon, we also have issues that need to be addressed about how to make a better country whit comes to gun reform, and the president is going to circumvent you and your colleagues through executive action. is there anything you can do to stop that? >> well, we can do everything we can to pass bills to stop it. we can try to defund it. this is a very real concern. throughout his entire administration, he has gone around congress, he's violated
the constitution, and that is ultimately endangering the americans. you know -- >> where has he violated the constitution, congresswoman? where do you mean? >> well, by going around congress time and again through his executive actions. his recent actions dealing with gun control are an example of that. it's up to the legislative body in congress, the representatives of the people, to make gun policy. he is using this terrible tragedy that happened in california as an excuse to impose his gun control because congress, the representatives of the people, haven't when instead he should be focusing on the causes of that which is terrorism, which is the rise of isis in america and it's also mental health issues. so instead of going after the causes, he goes after our second amendment rights and that's just wrong. >> the president said that he's going to be asking for $500 million in his executive actions to support mental health as part of gun reform. do you support that? are you in support of that money going toward mental health?
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matt lauer he discussed the experience and where he thinks the country goes from here. >> you're greeting us on the eve of the state of the union. your final stateunion. your final state of the union. will you miss the ritual of walking in that room and looking out over a joint session of congress and members of the cabinet, supreme court, dignitaries up above? will you miss that ritual? >> it's a wonderful spectacle. i remember the first time i did it and you're standing behind the door and, mr. speaker, the president of the united states. and you walk down that row and members of both parties are on either side and they'll shake your hands and as you said, you see all of government gathered in one place and -- >> one time of the night where even the opposing side stands and cheers you. >> not just the cheers. it is a sense of a celebration of democracy. there's no doubt that i will always remember the ritual.
whether i'm going to miss writing the speech leading up to it, i don't know. we'll see how this one goes. >> as you stand in that room you will be looking out over a room arguably as divided as it's ever been. do you see that as a failure of your presidency? you came to town saying it was about hope and change. you were going to change the tone in washington. you wanted to unite people. >> right. >> and they're not united. is it a failure? >> it's a regret. i could not be prouder of what we have accomplished. and sometimes we look at the past through rose-colored glasses. it's been pretty divided in the past. there have been times in the past people beat each other with canes and we have things like the civil war so there have been times when it's been pretty rough but there's no doubt that politics and washington are so much more divided than the american people are. and part of what i want to do in
this last address is to remind people, you know what? we got a lot of good things going for us and if we get the politics right we are not as divided on the ideological spectrum as people make us out to be. >> i know in your speech traditional to say the state of our union is strong. when it comes to the emotional state of our union, when i go out and talk to people, the words i use them hear most often in terms of how they're feeling right now, they talk about fear, they talk about frustration, fatigue. >> right. >> any of those words surprise you? >> no. i think, you know, we went through a lot over these last ten years. we went through katrina. we went through the iraq war. we went through the worst financial crisis in our lifetimes. we are still battling terrorism. people are still recovering from some of the economic blows that
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good day, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. we begin this hour with the big day in washington, d.c. and around the country, for that matter, with the countdown to president obama's final state of the union. in just about seven hours from now, the president will walk down that aisle in the house chamber to address both houses of congress and the nation for possibly the last time from that venue. we caught a glimpse of the president down the colonnade a short time ago and the white house calling it nontraditional in a one on one interswru nbc's matt lauer, the president gave us a preview of what he hopes to accomplish when he speaks tonight. >> remain the strongest nation on earth by far. and there are no existential threats facing us. but if we make some good choices now whoever the next president is, whoever's controlling the next congress, there's no reason
why we shouldn't own the 21st century. >> all right. so we want to go to nbc's senior white house correspondent chris jansing, what are the major themes the president is likely to touch on tonight? >> reporter: this is a big picture speech. as you mentioned, the president and the white house saying unlike any before. don't look for a laundry list of policy initiatives. that's not going to happen but do look for some of the kind soaring rhetoric that got the president-elected in the first place. he wants this to be inspirational, aspirational and let's not forget the fact that we are in the middle of the political season. and so, sort of wants to set the democratic agenda. it's going to be looking at the kinds of broad democratic themes that he wants people to think about when they go to the voting booth come november. here's a little bit more of what the president had to say about tonight. >> there have been times where it's been pretty rough but there's no doubt that politics
and washington are so much more divided than the american people are. >> reporter: so, that's the hopeful part of it. but that division that he mentioned is the reason why you're not going to see him making a single major proposal. he knows he can't get it through congress. there will be some things that are pretty traditional. for example, some of the guests in the box you will see. the sergeant who helped stop a terror attack in france. a syrian refugee. i spoke this morning with an exconvict who wants to push for a criminal justice reform. i spoke with speaker paul ryan this morning saying criminal justice may be one of the things that could happen come next year but tonight the president setting the stage. what will be a full court press. he and just about every member of his cabinet starting tomorrow making the case. >> a lot of people, chris, today talking about vice president joe biden.
savannah goout uthrie asked himt the decision not to jump in the 2016 race. >> do you mean you think you made the wrong decision or sorry you're not running for snth explain. >> look. i made the right decision. i'm positive about that and for my family. and in terms of the timing that was available. >> is there no scenario in which you could see yourself getting into this race in 2016? >> i have nevered never to say no. i can't imagine one. i can't imagine one. >> so, chris, it seems as if there could be a glimmer of hope there for people that think that the "b" plan for the white house isn't bernie but biden if something happens to hillary clinton's campaigns in iowa and new hampshire. what are you hearing from that white house about is there even an i wo that ota of opening for jump in? >> reporter: they have close friends in the clinton camp and also have a deep respect for vice president biden. i don't think they see a
reasonable scenario in which that happens so i think there's also going to be a little bit of nostalgia. this is probably the largest audience the president will ever have for a speech for the rest of this white house. and it certainly is last time to see in this setting both he and vice president biden and also the first, you know, the first time that paul ryan will sit in that chair. so in many ways historic night but as far as joe biden goes, it might be the twilight of a long career in public service. >> yes. new optics tonight with speaker ryan there in that chair 0 supposed to john boehner. thank you. good to see you. >> reporter: you, too. >> let's bring in south carolina representative james clyburn. his state's governor give it is response tonight. nice to see you. >> thank you so much for having me. >> absolutely. i want to start with the numbers that we have about the president's address tonight.
our online poll talks about terrorism. conducted by surveymonkey and talking about this near the top of the charts for the issues that concern americans most. when's the president need to do tonight to settle those fears? >> well, i think if the president were to stick to his plan and that is to lay out to the american people exactly what has occurred over the past seven years and draw a contrast between now and then, i think that the american people would be very pleased with those figures. for instance, if you looked at where we were in our economy seven years ago, as to where we are now, you look at the last 70 months of job growth, up 14%, i think the american people tend
to forget exactly what the president inherited and i think that he will do well to remind all of us tonight of what he found getting into the white house, what we can find today and talk about his dreams and aspirations for the future of this great country. i think he'll do well to stick to that plan. >> congressman, as i mentioned, governor haley of your home state of south carolina will deliver the gop response. she certainly received a lot of high praise in the moments after the shooting at mother emanuel church and what speaker ryan had to say about her today. take a listen. >> if people want to hear from the leader who's brought people together, if people want to hear from a leader who's gotten things done, set a bold agenda then they should tune in and watch governor nikki haley give the response tonight. >> is that really a set-up, do you think, for maybe nikki haley being a vice presidential
nominee for whoever the gop nominee is? >> well i think that she's certainly being looked at by the republican leadership for such a role. she would be a tremendous improvement over the last republican woman who attempted to do that. i know nikki haley. i think she has done a tremendous job in some areas. though she and i have some real differences over what we ought to be doing about health care, expanding medicare, giving help to farmers of the floods. i have some policy differences with her but she has done an admiral job of articulating where our state is and where it ought to be. >> when it comes to south carolina and we know that state is pretty much a firewall for the clinton campaign, we look at the new numbers out today, sir, in iowa it shows that hillary
clinton is trailing behind senator bernie sanders now. also the race so close in new hampshire. do you think that there is a path for hillary clinton through south carolina to the white house if she were to lose i with and new hampshire? >> oh yeah. i mean, she's got to keep both of them close. but she can lose both those -- that primary and that caucus and south carolina could be the state that launches her. or the other way around. south carolina could be the state that will launch one of the other candidates, bernie sanders. it all depends upon how things go in those two states. if there's a blowout in one of those states, then it's a new day. but if the election is close, for either one of the top two candidates, south carolina could
prove very beneficial to either one of them. >> no one's going to take it for granted, sir. representative clyburn, thank you for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much for having me. >> absolutely. much more now on the candidates looking to secede president obama. bernie sanders leading in new hampshire and iowa. quinnipiac with sanders in a 5-point lead and reverses a deficit in the hawkeye state. also, today, this duelling campaign trail optics. we have hillary clinton in iowa. chelsea clinton in new hampshire all making the case there for why hillary clinton would be the best president. both taking shots at a surging bernie sanders. this less than three weeks until the iowa caucuses. take a listen. >> i find it kind of interesting, you know. he always when i say you voted against the brady bill five times. you voted for what the nra said was the biggest nra priority
giving them immunity. he says, well, i'm from vermont. pat leahy the other senator from vermont voted against immunity for the gun lobby. so, no. that's not an explanation. >> senator sanders wants to dismantle obamacare, dismantle the chip program and medicare, private insurance. >> we see chelsea clinton making the abu on the trail. i'm joined by host, political correspondent steve kornacki. when we put the new polls in context with previous polling, what does it demonstrate? >> yeah. i mean, it's sort of a point making there with congressman clyburn of south carolina when you look at hillary clinton, you look at the first numbers, i guess we could put them up again. iowa, newest one with bernie sanders ahead there. a lot of volatility. new hampshire, sanders latest poll ahead there, as well. clinton campaign points to the
firewall. lost iowa, new hampshire, if we do, we have a strong advantage in south carolina. see the poll there. she is up by 36 points in the most recent one. and what is behind that supposed firewall? strong support of african-american voters. up by basically 60 points in south carolina saying, look, a much diverse electorate outside of iowa and new hampshire and to our advantage. we'll see if that holds up losing the first two states. >> steve, we are all watching, thank you, sir. appreciate it. danny freeman joins me from emmy ames, iowa, following the clinton campaign. when's the new line of attack? >> reporter: well, the tenor is heating up, thomas roberts. there's no doubt about that. i'm here in iowa as you said. very cold out here and did not deter hundreds of hillary clinton supporters to come out here to hear her speak primarily about gun control. again, hillary clinton released
the endorsement of the brady campaign here this event in ames and why gun control? clinton campaign believes that that's weak spot for sanders and for her main democratic primary challenger with momentum and gaining in the polls. she highlighted the dry brady bill that sanders voted no against than that and the gun manufacturer's immunity bill and did biggest weapon yielded fellow senator leahy saying the excuse he's from vermont is no longer viable. now, the question is, bernie sanders is still starting to rise in the polls. he has momentum. how's the clinton campaign combatting that right now? of course, she has two events today. one here and then debuick. of course, chelsea here in the
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richard engel joins me now. what more do we know about the claims of responsibility for this tack and why the government feels it's isis? >> reporter: we have not heard any official claim of responsibility from isis or any other group and the turkish prime minister said that the person who carried out this attack was a member of isis. he used the term daesh which is also referred to -- which is one of the many names people use to refer to isis. we have some new information about how this attack took place. we spoke to the bus driver who brought this german tour group to the old city. the bus driver says they left. there were 33 people on the bus. they left around 9:00 this morning. they went to the old city. they had been the scene for about an hour visiting the many sites that are in the old city. they're concentrated today. the blue mosque, the obelisk
where this attack took place and that at some stage during the visit the group split up and a dozen or more people decided that they were going to take a little break from the touring and go shopping. those people who broke off and went shopping were not affected. they were -- they survived. but the other people who stayed with the guide, the guide also injured, were targeted by this suicide attacker. so, most if not all of the victims the people who were most severely injured or killed were from that german tour group. the turkish government says it will and is cooperating with german authorities. germany -- german tourists among the most frequent visitors to turkey according to a report, about 5 million germans every year come to this country. >> nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel for us there, thank you. coming up, we'll talk more
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"rolling stone" released the full 17-minute interview with the world's most notorious drug kingpin, recaptured el chapo guzman and after the raid on friday. >> that video shot by the mexican marines as the araid wa conducted. but before he was arrested, he recorded answers for actor sean penn and now we can watch and
listen for ourselves. >> msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber joining me now. and folks can hear el chapo talking about selling and growing marijuana. this is pretty damning evidence and can it be used against him in the court of law or not? >> probably. i mean, what you are looking at there is what in normal courses called a confession. >> sure. >> he is talking about the very criminal conduct he is on the run for. now, you have to lay a foundation for that. you need the testimony of a witness with knowledge of the video and some sort of opinion. identifying the person's voice
saying this really is what we say it is. there's a lot of other evidence against el chapo and probably in the u.s. you could bring this in. >> as you're saying you need somebody else so could sean penn or the actress kate del castillo, helped broker that i trifecta be utilized? >> thomas roberts, you are looking like a prosecutor. right? there is a small number of people in the world -- >> i watch "law & order." >> the actress or actor saying he is an interviewer or reporter. and the doj guidelines going to subpoena reporters for any of this kind of evidentiary purpose is a last resort. we have a brief statement about the u.s. government's view of the role if you want to play that. >> did sean penn help or hurt the effort? >> well, look. you know, i think sean penn as
he's said himself was there to conduct an interview. he was not there as a part of any u.s. government effort to apprehend el chapo. >> so the u.s. saying he wasn't part of a government effort but heb part of a prosecution effort. >> fascinating. he's still behind bars and important news out of all of this. he's slippery. >> and they want him behind u.s. bars and doesn't slip again. >> thank you, sir. appreciate it. coming up, what happens when the president, the vice president and just about everybody from all branches of government in one room together? two words. designated survivor. steve kornacki explains. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪
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expects the president to lay a lot of verbal traps for us in tuesday night's address and now capitol hill correspondent luke russert. luke, so speaker ryan, optics different this evening behind the president with him there. what more did he have to say about the address? >> reporter: he had an off the record meeting with a lot of the things on the record this morning, thomas, with some reporters -- >> let's just stay on the record. >> reporter: paw ryan new speaker is aware of when's going on, in the spotlight for americans for the first time since the vice presidential debate with joe biden and ryan with a difficult task as the presidential race unfolds on the republican side and a lot of heated rhetoric flown around, he wants to make the conference sort of an idea machine of the republican party. of what can be done with conservative governance and what he is going to try to focus on i think tonight and the rest of the day talking about this address.
he said this about president obama specifically, though. quote, i don't think of him as an enemy. he is our adversary and just a very dogmatic'd log and that's a striking difference in tone from ted cruz or donald trump and some degree of marco rubio and what ryan trying to do. ryan also said today he wants everyone to tune in to nikki y haley for her address saying it's a new republican party, the party of ideas and what we can do and outspoken hoping this time next year the republican giving the address. what this means for tonight and the relationship to the president, i think ryan looking forward trying to move past the obama years and see how successful he can do that from the perch in congress, thomas. >> luke russert, thank you, sir. president obama preps for
the final state of the union, he took matt lauer on a tour of the white house and the president really opened up about what it's like to balance the responsibilities of being president of this country and being a father to his two young daughters, what impact the next president will have on his legacy and emotional moment while discussing the victims of gun violence. >> this staircase, where does this go? >> up into the residence. if we have a state dinner or a formal function -- ♪ -- michelle and i will go from the residence on the second floor, we will walk down. >> at the end of a long day is it possible for you to walk up those stairs and ever leave the job completely down stairs? >> first of all, i never actually use these stairs. that's ceremonial. when they say that this is a 24/7 hour job on this one they're not exaggerating. it -- you take it with you. the one time when i really can leave it behind is throughout my
presidency i have been pretty religious about dinner at 6:30 with michelle and the girls. and when i'm sitting around the dinner table, then i'm a dad. and we spend most of our time listening to the girls talk about their days and they are not interested in mine that much. >> but teenage talk from personal experience is more harrowing than the oval office there. would your family ever say that that's the one part of the job that gets difficult, the fact that you're never 100% except for the dinners away from the job? >> my ability to function as a present father, a guy who's there, and engaged, was maybe stronger once i got to the white house than before. because when i was a senator, i was commuting. the girls were still back in chicago. >> right. >> when i was campaigning for president, i was gone all the
time. and i don't have trouble switching off when it comes to listening to malia and sasha. that's a time i can kind of block everything else out. >> one thing -- >> the first time you and i sat down here february 1st, 2009. you had been president 11 days. if 54-year-old barack obama could go back and talk to 47-year-old barack obama who'd only been president 11 days, what would you tell him he didn't know about being president? >> well, i would tell him, first of all, that your hair's going to grayer faster than you anticipated. i think the most important thing i would say to an earlier version of myself would be to communicate constantly and with confidence to the american people because this place has a tendency to isolate you.
you recognize that particularly during times of stress, the american people need to hear from their president in terms of what it is exactly we're trying to do. things that i have done well in the campaign i have not always done well as president. >> you talk about the american people hearing from their president. obviously we all remember you stepping before the cameras and talking about the executive action on gun control and you became extremely emotional. >> i was surprised by that. i wasn't surprised about how i felt because the day that sandy hook happened remains one of the worst of my presidency and traveling up there for the memorial service and meeting the families a couple days after the children and teachers lost their lives as hard as anything i have ever done. but i didn't expect that evoking that would trigger those kinds of emotions. part of it is that, you know, we
had just come back from christmas break and one of my daughter's about to go to college and seeing those parents who i have gotten to know now over the course of several years and thinking about how any parent feels with that loss, it felt very personal to me. >> i would think that at an earlier point of your presidency had that feeling started to well up in you -- >> i might have clamped it down. >> might have suppressed it. >> there's no doubt i am looser now. there's times in the course of the presidency i have tightened up. as you go into the last year, you start realizing that ultimately how well you've done here is going to be judged not by tomorrow's polls or, you know, today's headlines. they're going to be judged by, you know, people who are looking back at you 20, 30 years from now and better let it rip. >> starting to sound like george
w. bush told me, matt, i'm going to be dead when my legacy is decided. early next year, if tradition holds, you and mrs. obama go to the main door of the white house. it will open and a motorcade will pull in and the incoming president, man or woman, going to get out of the car. >> right. >> how much jeopardy will your legacy be in if that person is not a democrat? >> well, i'm going to be working hard to make sure it's a democrat and there's no doubt that given what the republican candidates have said that there are going to be some things i think were really important they try to reverse. even something as controversial in the republican party as obamacare. when something works, or the evidence shows that it's helping people, and you want to stop it just for ideological reasons, it turns out to be a little more difficult. certainly when they start dealing with foreign policy and
if they think that somehow by talking a little tougher they're going to somehow change the complexities of the middle east, for example, well, turns out that's not how it works so i think there is a really useful awakening that takes place when you walk into this office. a lot of the campaign rhetoric you realize has to give way to some very hard, tough realities. >> msnbc's special coverage of the state of the union begins tonight 8:00 p.m. eastern with chris matthews, rachel maddow. after the break, we'll tell you who won't be at the address this evening.
all right. we want to talk about the campaign events in mn hn and iowa today. on the right-hand side of the screen, hillary clinton at a campaign event and her daughter chels chelsea clinton at a brewery talking about her mother and candidacy. chelsea making the debut today canvassing throughout the state of new hampshire. hillary clinton holding several events in iowa today. we left you at the last break to talk about all the people that are going to be there tonight for the state of the union. and president obama, the cabinet, all of the congress members, gather for this address. there is at least one person, a member of the group noticeably not there. why? because of something catastrophic happens they need to have a designated survivor. so this person will be in the safe confines somewhere of washington, d.c. political correspondent steve kornacki here to explain the
policy behind this. and it's not that person on the front cover there. >> well, no. thomas, we'll explain that in a second. this is obviously a morbid topic and something getting that many powerful people in government in one place you have to ask the question, what if the unthinkable happens? we're calling this the king ralph scenario. this is a 1991 comedy movie. maybe you remember it. probably you don't. i do remember it, though. so the basic set-up in the movie was everybody in the british royal family got together for a family photo, everybody in the line of succession and then disaster happened and then, well, we'll let the clip explain it. >> after three, one, two, three. ♪ >> it is my glorious duty to
inform you that you are the new king of england. >> ah! ah! oh, oh, oh. >> oh -- >> john goodman played a vegas sound singer and everybody in the line was killed in the photo mishap became the king of england. we don't want to have to turn to john goodman to be the president. if something terrible happens but with everybody in the line of succession in one room, tonight you see the speaker of the house behind president obama, joe biden behind him. everybody in the cabinet is there. orrin hatch, most veteran senator and the presidential line of succession and what they do, basically the line is in order of how long or how recent i should say each department became a cabinet department and another screen of these, as well. they'll all be there tonight
except every year one person in this line of succession is chosen. that person does not attend the state of the union. that person is taken to one of those undisclosed locations. they stay there for the entirety of the speech until everybody is out of the capitol building and then restored but just in case something awful happens, there will be one person left to run the government. we should tell you last year anthony fox was the designated. two years ago, earnest monies. we don't know until tonight and the whole cabinet will be there tonight. except for one lucky or unlucky depends on your perspective person, thomas. >> one person we know that's not attending tonight is senator ted cruz. steve, thank you very much. he is talking right now in hudson, new hampshire, about second amendment rights and we know a theme tonight for president obama. >> and women and jewish voters and reagan democrats coming together and if conservatives unite we will.
>> senator -- >> donald was here yesterday. donald trump was again here yesterday and rails and raises questions about your eligibility to run and now the lawrence tribe of harvard and you know donald and you know dr. tribe. what do you make of this not so much the question itself but the line of questioning, what might be the behind it? what do you think mr. trump's up to? >> well, listen. i like donald. the legal question is quite straightforward. which is that the children of u.s. citizens born abroad are natural-born citizens, citizens by birth. that's why john mccain is a natural-born citizen and missionaries abroad. that's why george romney was a natural-born citizen running in 1968 and born in mexico to mormon missionary parents. the legal question is straightforward but, you know, i understand why my opponents are throwing more and more attacks.
four weeks ago just about every republican in the race was attacking donald trump. today, just about every republican is attacking me and they're very dismayed. that suggests maybe something changed in the race. and i think they're dismayed. they do not like seeing conservatives uniting behind our campaign because they recognize if they unite we win. it is more than strange to see donald relying on a liberal left wing judicial activist harvard law professor a huge hillary supporter. it starts to make you think, gosh, why are hillary's strongest supporters backing donald trump? you know, the past couple of elections we saw the democrats thrilled that they got the nominee they wanted to run against in the general election and seems the hillary folks are very eager to support donald trump and the attack that is are being tossed my direction. regardless, he is entitled to
toss whatever attacks he wants. i haven't reciprocated. i don't intend to. i'll focus on what the american people are interested in. the challenges facing this country. >> months of polling show that the new hampshire voters love donald trump and by a wide margin want him to be the republican nominee. why are you a better candidate? >> listen. the poll that matters is the vote on election day. >> this is a long trend of polling. >> i am encouraged that polling consistently in new hampshire has shown me in essentially a tie for second place in the state of new hampshire and encouraged by that. our support has been steadily, gradually increasing every day and followed the pattern of nationwide which is unlike many of the candidates we resolved at the very beginning to run a grass roots campaign to go and spend the time to sit down in v.f.w. halls and it down with the men and women of new hampshire to answer the questions. to stand in their living rooms.
house parties alway ies all ove state. we are starting sunday traveling to all ten counties in new hampshire. asking for the support of the men and women of new hampshire. >> we are looking here at ted cruz talking to reporters making a sp to talk with reporters in new hampshire. he's trying to canvas that state to close any gap that he has with donald trump. we know that it's a very tight race for trump in iowa as well with senator cruz making some advances on him in that state. and he's not going to be attending the state of the union tonight. he is doing a state of the union in new hampshire this evening. senator cruz will not be in attendance. want to move on to other news for you right now. ben carson facing heat for his comments about the council on american islamic relations or c.a.r.e. >> invited members of c.a.r.e. the council for american islamic
relations. this is -- these are people who i have called for an investigation of. you know? they have done things that are clearly, you know, not pro-american. and, you know, we can't now sit there and say, oh these are buddy buddies of ours. let's go ahead and investigate the thing. you know, if they are our buddies let's put that clearly out there and if they're not our buddies, let's not be giving them access to the ability to further carry on what they call a civilization jihad. >> democrats are speaking against what they say is hate used against muslim americans and saying the rhetoric doesn't belong in our country. these folks are c.a.r.e. represented by a representative of california and of florida from the c.a.r.e. chapters in their states. let's listen in.
>> one of the americans held today in prison in iran. one of the reasons he's still there is that he's a patriot. he served his country in uniform. >> joining us right now is the government relations coordinator for c.a.r.e. and attending the state of the union tonight. samina, dr. carson called for an invest of your group in the past and also finds it hard to believe that you could be an invited guest for the state of the union. what is your reaction? >> well, thank you for vuch more having me. it's interesting how dr. carson says that we are un-american or support un-american ideals. what our organization does is protects the constitution through protecting the first and fourth amendment rights specifically. we have thousands of people who come and call our office for support every year. we have, you know, a number of people who, you know, are worried. they are fearful of their lives.
they're fearful of being attacked. and they call our office for that type of support. so if that is not american, i don't know what is. >> what do you make, though, of fears that americans have as there have been headlines made in recently as what we watched in philadelphia, a police officer being shot 11 times by a person claiming to do this in the name of islam? how do you talk to americans rationally about what it means to see that tied to your religion? >> i completely understand those fears. however, to have that be tied to the religion, islam is a religion of peace and the people that perpetrate that type of violen violence, they're thugs and do not follow the practices and teachings of islam and should
not be associated with the religion at all. >> so when we hear the presidential candidates calling for a ban on muslims and many people, americans, gathering rallying around that and we see a woman, a muslim woman asked to leave a trump event standing up in peaceful demonstration, how do you react to that? seeing fellow americans see you and people of your religion as such a problem? >> i think donald trump and ben carson probably need to take another look at the constitution and the bill of rights and read what the first amendment states. you know, that we have the right to practice our religion. we have the freedom of expression and to have his xeenphobic and hateful rhetoric spouted is encouraging people to commit acts of violence. we have seen acts of violence
perpetrated against the muslim community that's not been seen, been highest ever. when very close to my home in richmond you have a man who was building pipe bombs with the intent to hurt the muslim community. and who was inspired by donald trump. that is what i call fear and that is what i call terrorism. >> i think, yeah, many people would agree with you that's domestic terrorism, as well. targeting religious community members. we had ellison the first muslim elected to congress and what he had to say about the rhetoric being used. take a listen. >> there are no second class citizenship in america. everybody is a full citizen of this nation. all faiths are welcomed. and we want to make sure for any political leader thinking they can divide americans, suppress americans and exclude americans based on rely, we will not be divided. we are united.
we are indivisible. >> we hear from the representative a guest of kate snow coming up here on msnbc. but all faiths are welcomed sameena. when you hear that and from representative ellison, are you worried, though, that's not what people are hearing in this presidential election and somebody might get into the white house that doesn't feel that way? >> the country is looking for a president that will unite us as a people. and when presidential candidates are spouting such hateful rhetoric that causes multiple and numerous divisions, not only against the muslim community but against other minorities, against immigrants, against, you know, so what i'm fearful of is if we have -- if our country continues to spiral towards fear and towards -- towards fear of other this is's what i'm fearful
of and i hope that we have a president who will be able to unite us and to unite the country. >> we'll all be watching tonight. thanks so much for joining us. from cair and the government relations koocoordinator for th organization. >> thank you very much. i'll go to frances rivera how to make your voice heard in the state of the union coverage. everyone had an opinion, frances. >> they do. we hear from them every day. viewers here on this show and our viewers weigh in tonight as tonight's state of the union speech is streamed line here on msnbc and msnbc.com. we'll also features the microsoft pulse. it is our interactive realtime tool to measure your pulse as the president delivers the last state of the union. as you watch, log on to pulse.msnbc.com and see the pulse question appear where you can participate by selecting your response. and as a speech is streaming live, follow along and see how
viewers just like you are weighing in. of course, we break down your votes with different demographics based on gender, age or political party. be sure to join us tonight and become part of the conversation and pulse.msnbc.com to make your opinion heard. thomas? >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time. we'll see you back here tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. eastern time. kate snow picks up the coverage next with connecticut governor malloy attending the state of the union tonight with the gun policy of the state and tomorrow on the show at 1:00 senator bernie sanders. is he experiencing the campaign surge that he needs in iowa and new hampshire to capture the democratic nomination? we'll talk about that and his reaction to the president's address this evening all tomorrow. see you then.
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tuesday here on msnbc. just hours from now, president obama will deliver his final state of the union address. his first step in the yearlong process of handing over the reins to his successosuccessor. the president reflected on the ritual of tonight with matt lauer. >> it's a wonderful spectacle. i remember the first time i did it and you're standing behind the door and, mr. speaker, all right, the president of the united states, and you walk down that row and members of both parties are on either side and they'll shake your hands and as you said you see all of government gathered in one place and -- >> one time of the night where even the opposing side stands and cheers you. >> it is not just the cheers. it is a sense of a celebration of democracy. there's no doubt that i will always remember the