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cruz with a small lead over donald trump. by three points. and bh are stepping up attacks on each other. here's what ted cruz said last night to lester holt when asked about trump's hits over his citizenship. >> mr. trump is relying on ultra left wing liberal law professors at harvard to make his argument. the same ones are major supporters for hillary clinton. and some folks are asking, gosh, why is it that hillary clinton's biggest are echoing. it's not just senator ted cruz. here's president obama making a not so subtle remark last night in the state of the union address. >> all the talk of america's economic decline as political hot air, so is all the rhetoric you hear about the america getting stronger and weaker.
let the tell you something. the united states of america is the most powerful nation on earth. period. >> nikki haley admitted today on the "today" show she was calling out donald trump. >> you were referring to donald trump, correct? >> he was one of them, yes. mr. trump has definitely contributed to what i think is just irresponsible talk. >> joining me now on the telephone, republican presidential candidate donald trump. mr. trump, thanks for joining me. >> i was just wondering if you have anything positive to say. beautiful introduction. all negative. but go ahead. >> we do have something positive to lead with. the new cbs poll shows you leading nationally when it comes to you and your closest rival
ted cruz. but you heard those thinly vailed attacks from rhetoric from your campaign, the president last night. you tweeted at the state of the union with president obama was boring. sop i want to ask you if this is you next year giving your state of the union, what would you say? >> well, i think the country would be in much better shape than it is right now. a lot of what he said if you look at the median income it's lower now than it was when he took office for people. people are unhappy or i wouldn't be so well leading polls by a tremendous amount. and, you know, by double digits and i wouldn't be doing that, frankly. and i wouldn't even want to be doing it if the country were going well. i'd be happen if the country were doing great and if he was doing a great job as president because of that. but it's not. i mean, it's just not taking place that way, thomas. the country is not doing well. you look at that horrible situation with the iran deal that we made. we're giving $150 billion. we get nothing. they get everything.
and then i see our wonderful sailors with their hands up in the air. the only reason they were released, they get $100 million next week, maybe this week. don't want to jeopardize that so obviously they're going to release them. they're not going to keep them. otherwise they would have kept them. if it happened two weeks from now, they would have kept them for a long period of time. >> you make a point about iran and what happened with those ten navy sailors that drifted into iranian waters. dennis mcdonough cited the nuclear deal for the open diplomatic conversations that helped their release. do you stand by your idea it is a bad deal? >> of course it's a bad deal. they get $100 billion. they don't want to jeopardize that. when i see pictures of them with their arms up in the air and
guns pointed at them, i wouldn't exactly say that's friendly. but they're not going to keep them because they want to pick up their hundred billion dollars for a deal they gave nothing on. by the way, speaking of that, we still have four hostages over there. why aren't they giving those hostages back? >> you make a great note about that. and i know you're prepping for the debate tomorrow in south carolina. i want to refocus our conversation about south carolina and nikki haley and the comment she made on the "today" show she was referring to you and others in her official gop response last night. what do you say to her about the fact she feels your campaign is loud, angry, and irresponsible? >> well, what i say to her is i'm leading in south carolina by a lot in all of the polls and people agree with me. i'm very strong on illegal immigration. she's weak on illegal immigration. i mean, she's very, very weak on it and it's a problem. she's big on amnesty but very weak on illegal immigration. therefore we have a disagreement. she comes up to my office when
she wants campaign contributions and i've given her contributions over the years. but i guess now that i'm running she doesn't like me quite as much. she liked me when i was a giver of contributions. >> we know the governor of south carolina is going to be an important state. you're talking about your lead there. but when we look at the primary process for the gop, if there was a problem in iowa and, say, cruz captured that or if there was a problem in new hampshire, you would really need south carolina and probably governor hailey's support. are you worried you made an enemy of her? >> no. i don't worry about that. the people in south carolina, i know them very well. i've been there all the time. i'm going there. i'm leading in the polls by tremendous numbers. it's one of my strongest states. i love the people there. they're strong. they're tough. they're very strong on illegal immigration and she's weak. so, you know, if you look at that i think i'll do well. i don't know her attitude. i haven't spoken to her in quite a while. but she's a very nice woman, a
very good woman. but i disagree with her politically and obviously she disagrees with me politically on immigration. i want people to come into the country but i want them to come in recently. it was a big distinction. she's just very weak on the subject. and that's something that doesn't play well with me. >> she seemed to echo that, too, about them coming in legally and being properly vetted to live here under american law. what do you think her motives are for going after you so publicly and so strongly? >> well, she probably figures maybe it's good for her, maybe it's not good for her. maybe it will be bad for her. because people know where i stand. and, you know, you see the numbers. even in iowa if you look at the cnn poll, i'm 33-20 up. we'll see what happens in iowa. i have a great relationship with the people of iowa and i think we'll do well. with evangelicals, i'm leading nationwide there. i'm leading with the tea party.
we're doing well. look, i'm only doing this to make america great again. we're a country that is doing poorly. you can't believe what you heard last night because it was just -- the fact is our economy is terrible. one of the weakest -- i guess it's the weakest recovery on record and by far the weakest recovery ever on record. and the median income, look at it. that's why there's so much anger. the median income for people is lower now than it was when barack obama took office. the african-americans, they're doing worse than they've ever done and we have an african-american president. you see what's happening in terms of jobs, in terms of the economy. they've been left out. and we have an african-american president. i think it's disgraceful. >> mr. trump, when we talk about iowa, we see ted cruz in the latest poll out of des moines register and bloomberg with a three-point lead. >> which is a tie, according to polls.
you're the only one that reported it that way. everyone else said it's -- >> within the margin of error. evangelicals support ted cruz more than they do you. >> excuse me. nationwide i'm beating cruz a lot we vith evangelicals. i can't predict, but i think i'll do very well in iowa. i like ted cruz. he's got a basic problem, but i like ted cruz. >> when we look at the race being so close in iowa and you talk about that friendship and the fact you like him, there have been issues that have been drummed up about whether or not he would be eligible to run for president. he says that this is settled law. >> and it wasn't drummed up by me. it was drummed up by the washington post. there are many that say he can't run for president. they are going to bring a lawsuit. they're bringing a lawsuit -- if he got the nomination, they
would bring a lawsuit that he's not eligible to run. he was born in canada. he was a citizen of canada until just recently. he was a citizen of canada. it was a joint citizen of the united states and canada. he was a citizen of canada. now, when you're a citizen of canada and you were born in canada, there's a real question. a lot of people say you have to be born of the land meaning on the land. and i've read numerous articles and not only professor of harvard, you can go to others. there was a big article the other day in the wnts from a different group of lawyers saying the same thing. and my problem is that he has to get this cleared up. he can go for a judgment to go to court. but how can you vote for somebody that where there's a question? i'm not saying right or wrong. i'm just saying there's a big question. you can't have your nominee with a question. it's impossible to do.
he's going to be running and people will say he can't. >> i'm told you need to wrap up because you need to get going. but the last question has to do with the national polls especially a new one from the cbs and "the new york times." it says you hold a double digit lead over republican primary voters. 17 points ahead of your closest rival ted cruz. if you are t eventual republican nominee and hillary clinton is the eventual democratic nominee, will you keep up her personal attacks against her husband? >> i'll be looking at whatever they say about me. it will be dependent. the last couple of polls i'm beating hillary clinton easily head to head. so we'll see. and beating bernie sanders, i think will be at least as easy and easier. i will beat her and bernie sanders easily. you can't raise taxes to 80% and 90% and do the things he's saying. i guess we're looking at hillary right now but bernie is doing pretty well against her. it's going to be an interesting
race, i suspect. >> bernie sanders is our guest coming up on the next block. >> give him my warmest regards. >> do you have a question you want me to ask of him directly from you if he is your general election contender? >> no. just give him my warmest regards. have a good time. >> thank you, sir. safe travels onto south carolina tomorrow and thank you for your time today. >> thank you. >> i want to bring in steve karncar kornacki. let me start with you on this. you were listening to donald trump and the big deal about iowa is within the margin of error but ted cruz leading in that caucus state. and the negative has gotten harsh there. the cruz campaign hasn't taken responsibility for it. talk about the calls that have gone out. >> yes. i mean, donald trump saying there's push polling going on. it's sort of a misnomer. it's not actually a poll. it's disguised as a poll.
when that takes place, people will call around. they will put all sorts of negative information in the form of a question, form of a poll to give negative information on a candidate that way. it's interesting because ted cruz yesterday in public interviews on a radio station, television interview, he started talking about donald trump saying that trump embodies what he calls new york values. he was pressed. what exactly does that mean, new york values. he says people in middle america knows exactly what it means. it was an interesting sort of change of strategy for him. and then there's no one on the call identifying who they're call on behalf sof someone. that's the message these calls are putting out there saying it embodies new york values. donald trump saying this a push poll. being done by cruz or somebody affiliated with cruz. the campaign, cruz was asked about this. he said to my knowledge we had nothing to do with anything like
that. but you mentioned that poll. yeah, ted cruz is still ahead in iowa in this newest des moines register poll. of course there was another one just out yesterday that had trump polling ahead there. would he make it a double digit race? we see in this new des moines register poll, ted cruz with the scrutiny he's gotten with the attacks over his birth status. he has fallen six points in this des moines register poll. it's a closer race there now than it was a month ago. >> let's talk to charles alexander. you heard donald trump talking about the issues with nikki haley, the governor there. he'll be in south carolina tomorrow for the next republican debate. is her office talking about what he says her asking for money and the campaign contributions or trying to not get in this any
more than she has. >> she casts herself as a more paul ryan type in the party. having just heard from donald trump, what was the scene in anchorman where you have the anchor teams under the freeway overpass and they're in that brawl, that big clash. that's what we think we're on tap for here tomorrow night in charleston. you have donald trump and ted cruz. we've said it before. we anticipated there would be a fight between the two that the bromance was over. but now given the remarks, the ones steve mentioned. donald trump born in the usa, a slight dig at ted cruz. suggesting new york new york. these two need to be get into it. a lot of people will view that as a sign of some weakness. they've been very open about it on the road. chris christie in new hampshire today attacking donald trump and all other sorts of establish candidates among other things saying the proposed ban on muslims is what christie
described as stupid law enforcement. >> i want to go to kathleen parker who is a writer and also a republican guru when it comes to these sort of things in politics. do you make of this public gop reckoning between a star like nikki haley and a leader in the republican polls like trump? >> yeah. i think it's just fascinating. fascinating. i've known nikki haley for a long while. before she became governor. she is a rising star. she's had a very important year politically with her handling of the shootings in charleston, the flooding, and then the taking down of the confederate flag. when she decides to take on trump so publicly, what does she know that we don't know? because i think nikki haley is certainly a strong candidate for vice president. she is uniquely qualified at this particular time in our history, she is the first generation american. her parents were indian immigrants. she is the youngest governor in the united states. and she has an amazing story.
so she's definitely decided that this is an alliance she doesn't need with donald trump. so i'm waiting to see what's next. >> okay, kathleen. let me ask you to stick around. i'm going to ask all of our colleagues and political experts to stay with me. because now we're going to switch gears and talk about the left. and we have the democrats where hillary clinton this morning responded to the charge by senator bernie sanders made after the state of the union last night that his recent surge in the polls may be making her campaign nervous. take a listen. >> secretary, good morning to you. >> good morning, savannah. >> are you nervous? >> no, i'm not nervous at all. i'm working hard and i intend to keep working as hard as i can until the last vote or caucusgoer expresses an opinion. i'm excited about where we are. >> there we have secretary clinton this morning responding to this charge made by senator sanders. this all coming after the state of the union last night. and basically that the surge that we're seeing in recent
polls made her nervous. we've got the polling right here. we've got the new poll from "the new york times" and cbs news finds her dropping. this comes after new quinnipiac polling finds sanders has snatched the lead from hillary clinton in iowa. meanwhile new hampshire, monmouth university with the lead over hillary clinton. joining us now is senator bernie sanders. i want to get right to this. i need to point out this week's poll has you trailed in iowa by three points. say you win in iowa and you get a lock in new hampshire, do you have the campaign infrastructure and the support from the dnc to take this all the way? >> well, maybe not the support from the dnc, but we have the support from the american people. thomas as you know, we have raised more individual campaign contributions than any candidate in the history of the united states of america. 2.5 million contributions
averaging $27 a piece. so we are getting small contributions from the middle class, from working families. not only do we have enough money to wage a very strong campaign in iowa and in new hampshire, we are working hard in nevada, in south carolina, and in many other states as well. so to answer your question, i think the american people are tired of establishment politics, establishment economics. they want to see leadership stand up to the billionaire class. our message is resonating all across this country. and yes, we have the energy, we have the funding to take this to the convention. >> i want to talk about the legal battle with the dnc in a moment. recently hillary clinton hit you on the issue of guns and headache. i want to play you what she told nbc's savannah guthrie about those points. take a look. >> one of the big ones as you're aware is on gun safety. senator sanders has been a reliable vote for this gun lobby
and i have been standing against them for a long time. we have a difference on health care. i want to build on the affordable care act. we've got to make some changes because we have to improve it. he's been talking very generally about a single payer system. he's introduced legislation nine times that laid out a specific plan to take everybody's headachealth care and roll it into a bundle and hand it to the states. >> so let's start with guns on this issue -- >> whoa whoa whoa whoa. let me start off by saying that secretary clinton is really quite inaccurate on both of those charges. i have a d-minus voting record from the nra. >> correct. >> in 1988 i probably lost a congressional election because i said maybe we should not have assault weapons being sold in america. so to say i'm kind of a supporter of the nra is really a mean spirited and unfair and inaccurate statement. >> do you regret or apologize to
give gun manufacturers immunity from lawsuits? >> there are things in that bill do that are wrong. and as i have said for the last several months, i am willing to absolutely take a look at the onerous parts of that bill. but let me also say, you know, i have asked secretary clinton and let me repeat it right now in 2008 when she was running against senator barack obama, he proposed expanding -- extending the life of social security by lifting the cap on taxable income. we've taken that idea. and we say that we should expand benefits so that people in this country who are trying to get by on $12,000, $13,000 a year, elderly people and vets, should see an increase in their social security benefits by lifting the cap above people making $250,000 a year or more. i am waiting to hear whether secretary clinton has changed her views from 2008 and whether
or not she will support an expansion of social security benefits millions of people who cannot make it on $12,000 a year. >> let me is you about the situation with the aca. a single payer public health care system, correct? >> yes. medicare for all single payer system. it's funny, thomas. again in 2008 you may recall that then-senator clinton was attacking then-senator barack obama because she supported universal health care. health care for everybody. well, i support that as well. and i believe that the most effective way to provide health care to every man, woman, and child is through a medicare for all singer payer system. now she's attacking me because i support universal health care. in 2008 she was attacking obama because obama was attacking her
because she supported universal health care. i would hope that secretary clinton will tell the american people sbuz she support universal health care. is she prepared to end the absurd i did of the american people paying far, far more per capita on health care than do the people of -- >> we know she's on the stump talking about the fact you'd like to rip up obamacare. which would assume she supports it and would the aca stand. how would you pay for it? >> first of all, we would pay for it through premiums. right now the american people are spending $3 trillion a year on health care. and a lot of that money is going into the private insurance companies and the drug companies which is why we pay far more per capita than do the people of any other country. when you get rid of the private insurance companies. when you force the drug companies to lower their prices, you can provide health care for a middle class family and save
thousands and thousands of dollars compared to the outrageous cost of health care today. so, yes, it will take away and do away with private health insurance premiums and move that to public health insurance premiums. health care is not free. but we can do a lot better in lowering the cost of health care for a middle class family than is currently the case. >> i want to talk to you, though, when it comes to money. we had the vice president praise your efforts of income inequality. but said that you're relatively new to that fight. do you take that as a bit of endorsement on your style from the vice president. >> i have known joe biden for many, many years. he comes from a working class background as i do. and both of us understand that it is totally absurd that the top 1/10 of 1% own almost as much as the bottom 90%. i have been a leader in the
fight against income inequality. joe biden has been strong on that issue and i'm glad he has noticed that this is an issue that i have been leading on for many, many years. >> when we look at the race on the right. we just had donald trump on. he sends you his warmest regards. >> i'm sure that he does. >> he does. but if it were a matchup between the two of you and the fact that he's gotten very asymmetrical with his campaign attacks to hillary clinton over her husband's past indiscretions, is it any sign to you that you're not being attacked by an asymmetrical way and you could be a weaker contender? >> well, i would suggest mr. trump look at all the recent polling that's out there. not just the polling in new hampshire and the polling in iowa which between trump and myself i defeat him and defeat him handedly. i think, thomas, that the last new hampshire poll had me
defeating him by 19 points in new hampshire. last national quinnipiac poll had me beating him 13 points nationally. i would love to run, frankly, against donald trump. his views on so many issues and his attitude toward minorities in this country is so different than mine. it would give me great joy not only to run against him. i think we would beat him by a significant margin. >> you bring up new hampshire. chelsea clinton made her debut there yesterday campaigning for her mom. she was on the attack about you. do you think she's a good voice for her mother's campaign? >> i can't give a statement on that, i don't know. but i think what she said was wrong. and one of the points she made is that a medicare for all single payer system which would guarantee health care to all people, her point was in states where we have republican governors, that plan would not be implemented. that is factually incorrect.
and i hope the clinton campaign stops saying that. the way the legislation we have introduced in the past was written and obviously is what we believe in is that if a republican governor doesn't want it, it will be implemented by the federal government. this is a plan for 50 states. bottom line here is we are the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all people. 29 million people still have no health insurance. we pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs and we end up spending far, far, far more per capita on health care than any other country. that's got to change and i do believe strongly in universal health care. >> senator bernie sanders, i'll let you get back to work. i hope to speak to you again soon. thank you. >> thank you. i want to bring in our political panel. steve kornacki, jonathan alter,
peter alexander, and kathleen parker. also joining the conversation, columnist for "the washington post" group, kathleen being that. but let's talk about why we are seeing a tight look between sanders and hillary clinton? is he peaking at the right time? >> some will say the silver lining we've seen in the past couple days, we've seen surnls that have him up double digits. they had him ahead in single digits within hillary clinton. all good news for br noo sabders. if there's a silver lining for hillary clinton, maybe he's peaking a bit too soon. we're still four weeks from new hampshire. the risk in this sort of thing b is always you set expectations for an insurgent candidate like sanders. maybe you end up setting expectations too high. maybe the bar is lower just a little bit too much for hillary clinton. if you think back six months,
nine months, a year ago. if you had told anybody at the start of this campaign that here we would be in the home stretch leading up to iowa and new hampshire and it's even competitive in each state. you had said a year ago bernie sanders is within 10 points or 15 points in either state, you would have been shocked a year ago. the way the campaign has played out, we take it for granted he has a chance there because demographically each state is a pretty good fit for him. so much now is about the expectations game. and the question is where is that bar going to be set when we get a day or two away from iowa, a day or two away from new hampshire. and bernie sanders, is he going to set expectations too high where he has to win both of them now? >> steve, stand by. i want to go to our binge question and get that out there for everybody. let's take a look. can bernie sanders overtake hillary clinton as the democratic front runner? the poll is live. let me bring in jonathan alter. first on that question, do you think he can secure that
position especially in iowa? that's a place that hillary clinton lost in '08 coming in third. >> yes. iowa has never been a good state for the clintons. she obviously has a much better approach this time having lost to barack obama there. she's learned a lot. it's very competitive. but it's very possible that bernie sanders can win there. and if he wins there and in new hampshire, he is the front runner even if he's then trailing in some polls in upcoming states. because he would be 2-0 in these contests. so this is going to be a fight i think all the way through the primary season. in the past what would happen was your big donors would stop giving to you if you lost primaries. in bernie sanders' case, he could lose a bunch of primaries.
but his small donor base switch the largest in history as he indicated a few minutes ago will power him right through to the philadelphia convention. so he is very likely to go to philadelphia even if he's not the nominee. and i think right now he's still not the favorite with a big chunk of delegates and with some real leverage on what that democratic ticket is. >> so let's go to peter alexander. he is in south carolina. pet peter, so many think that is the clinton firewall, the south. how is the campaign characterizing the time they're spending in iowa and new hampshire opposed to that of south carolina if at all? >> certainly they recognize they need to do well in iowa. i think steef made good points. numbers may be raised for bernie sanders which may in fact help hillary clinton if she prmpls well in iowa. but what you have to consider as you look at this framework is the factors. what has changed since the holiday? since christmas and new year's.
you have the enthusiasm factor. the guy with the excitement. the advantage on that is bernie sanders. he is e the one energizing the base in the democratic party. certainly he has a lot of ground to try and regain among the traditional democratic base. african-americans and others throughout this which are voters specifically here in south carolina. there's also the trump attacks on hillary and bill clinton. taking their toll on hillary clinton's campaign. clinton fatigue setting in. there's also the anti-establishment factor going on here. and certainly as that relates to donald trump's experience on the republican side, is there sort of an antiestablishment effort right now taking place in the democratic side as well. as hm as people get energized by this outsider. >> and you talk about antiestablishment.
kathleen, i want to pivot to south carolina for the right. and if there are independents out there and gop members out there who like what had they saw in the state of the union response from nikki haley, are they in the minority of the gop right now based on what we're seeing from a ted cruz or donald trump? >> nikki haley is kind of unique in the sense that she has become a somewhat different character than she was when she came to office. remember she was a tea party favorite. she was -- held hands with sarah palin on the steps of the capital and endorsed sarah palin when it was valuable. but she's now become more of a national figure. because she's taken some very brave steps. i don't think that makes her a minority in the gop. but i think it does represent a new generation of republicans. >> doesn't it make her message a minority message? it seemed last night she provided a rebuttal to president
obama but also provided context and depth and a sincerity that i don't think we've been seeing for folks that might not be paying so close attention to this. especially for independents out here that are looking for leadership. >> right. i think she'd be very appealing to independents. and definitely a counter balance to mr. trump. mr. trump said she was weak on immigration and she was pro-amnesty. that's completely false. we have to call people out when they say things that simply are not true. in her rebuttal last night to the state of the union she said specifically we can't just open our doors wide open to everyone even though she's pro immigrant as we all are at least theoretically, she said we can't just let anybody in unless -- and she really put a great emphasis on vetting people. if you don't know what their intentions are, you know, she actually said i'm not sure those
people should come in. that's completely opposite what mr. trump said. >> she and her siblings first generation immigrants. so it was very compelling state of the union rebuttal from nikki haley. a lot of people think could be on somebody's vice presidential ticket running mate. so we'll see how that all unfolds. i want to say thanks to all four of you. it was a roller coaster and i thank you for sticking with it. rachel maddow will have an interview with hillary clinton. and then sunday night nbc news will host the next democratic debate. that is 9:00 p.m. eastern on sunday. want to turn now to breaking news and this concerns remarks from the defense secretary ash carter. he's going to be speaking and he is speaking from kentucky. he could address the detainment of u.s. navy sailors by iran. they have now been released. but this is the imagery, new video shows those soldiers being
taken into iranian custody. we've got a team covering all the angles of that breaking story. let's listen into ash carter. >> i want to take this moment to thank secretary of state john kerry. and to reaffirm to you that our highest commitment is to the safety of all of you. wherever we may ask you to go, the country will never leave an american service member behind. now, many of you will deploy soon and not for the first time. i know that you serve without hesitation as the screaming eagles have always done and i also know the hardships that can come with every one of those deployments. stephanie and i are always thinking about your families who serve, we know, as well as you do. >> hearing from ash carter there about the safety and the concerns that our nation's
leaders have for those serving in uniform that will never be left behind. their safety is paramount. there are reflections on what made such brevity of the fact that we had u.s. service members in custody by iran. jim miklaszewski joins us. talk to us about surrounding the detainment and release of those sailors and how the unfrozing diplomatic relations in iran is something that helped. >> well, quite frankly, that's the release -- how these sailors ended up in the hands of the revolutionary guard, all of that is the subject of intense investigation. ten sailors released today taken to bahrain where they're undergoing a reintegration protocol. that's to give them a mental and psychological exam to make sure they're not damaged or troubled by the events other the past 24,
36 hours. it's still unclear exactly what happened according to u.s. military officials. all we know for sure is that, indeed, u.s. military officials acknowledge that those two riverine boats did cross into, accidentally, international waters when they were confronted by the iranian national guard, taken into custody, and turned over 20 the revolutionary guard. there's a high level of concern. many find the video of these ten sailors on their knees, hands locked behind their back obviously surrounded by armed iranian guards on their own boat, that's somewhat disturbing to them, those images. and then in a video of one of the sailors when he was on land there on the island of farsi, he's being asked questions. apparently by a reporter about
whether it was the u.s. fault. and whether he was under duress is unclear, but under the circumstances it was clear that iran wanted to use this video as propaganda. the sailor responded it was a mistake. it was our fault. and we apologize for our mistake. u.s. officials at all level acknowledge or insist and stress that the u.s. itself, nobody in the u.s. government, has apologized for what was considered to be an accidental entry, illegal though it may be, into the territorial waters of iran. >> mick, you're hearing from the pentagon no equipment was compromised. >> no. they didn't -- this is a pretty routine operation. they didn't have the highly sophisticated surveillance top secret equipment that many of those surveillance or intel platforms would be carrying.
some raise the question one one was a woman who would have undone that possibility. this ended terribly wrong that led to them in custody. >> we characterize that because females are not allowed to be in that special unit as we know. jim, thank you. appreciate it. and for more on the diplomatic situation it created, this is what secretary kerry had to say about the iranian situation earlier today. >> today this issue was able to be peacefully resolved and officially resolved. and that is a testament to the critical role that diplomat si plays in keeping our country safe, secure, and strong. >> safe, secure, and strong. i want to bring in msnbc senior editor of digital content. those images there contrast that
word of safe secure and strong. when we see our forces with their arms behind thafr heads. what are you hearing about the video released and the propaganda released? >> it's unveiling itself on iranian state tv. we entered the primetime hours of iranian state television. i want to show you now and show you viewers this is one of the american sailors. he is apologizing for making a mistake. we do not know the circumstances this video was shot under. we do not know if this individual is under any kind of duress. and we want to make it very clear. iranian state television is using this for their own propaganda. it's interesting when we look at this video as you said, we're not used to seeing american soldiers, american sailors in a vulnerable position in that position both in that room and also on those ships with their arms and fingers interlocked behind their heads.
also interesting and ammann will speak to this after me. this wouldn't have happened a year ago. a year ago we would have been in a different situation. this would have been a completely different scenario with these soldiers. they would not have been released quickly. unclear if we would have heard about it. but this was able to be wrapped up quickly between the u.s. and iran. clearly they were talking right off the bat. and we know secretary kerry was involved. we don't know yet sort of the role of the fifth fleet which is based out of bahrain. i assume we'll hear more on that in the coming hours. iranian state tv is clearly making the most out of this as they show the people of iran how well the american soldiers were treated. and again now, we have this alleged apology from one of these u.s. sailors. >> all right. thank you, sir. cal perry. we're going to bring in now ammayman mohyeldin. we got word hours after they
were detained. which prism do we look at this through, the lens of this is a sign of growth in our relationship or still issues of trust? that need to be developed between the two countries. >> i think that's an excellent question. but the short answer to that is you have to look at it from both. on the one hand these sailors were released within 24 hours is a testament there are direct negotiations and dialogues at the highest level of government. it was a secretary of state john kerry. they were able to, if you will, get the wheels of their release in motion within the course of 24 hours. if you were to take this situation perhaps a year ago before there was a deal in place even before that, you could see iran try to capitalize on that in a much more aggressive way for its own propaganda purposes. now, they have released the sailo sailors. they are putting out these videos in small snippets. they are trying to capitalize on
this. perhaps they are trying to show these individuals were treated fairly. we don't know the circumstances of that latest video showing apology by the american sailor. if you were to apply what iran has done in e the past to current situations. keep in mind there are still four americans held by the iranian government in the past there have been incidents where british sailors were held by the iranian government and that lasted for several days as well. so you can see it from a few different prisms. one of the more interesting prisms is the internal dynamics within iran. the fact they were held by the revolutionary guard, a powerful institution within iran. the fact that they decided to ultimately release them is also a victory for the so-called moderates, if you will, or perhaps the non-hard liners within the iranian diplomatic leadership. the fact they were able to secure their release through their own channels is also another prism from which to consider what has unfolded over
the past 24 hours. >> thank you, sir. i appreciate it. coming up next for everybody, new developments in the wild capture of el chapo. a mexican paper publishing what they say are texts between the drug lord and actress kate del castillo. we go to mexico for the latest on that. but in case you missed it, part of my interview with donald trump. here he is about the ted cruz eligibility to run for president. >> and it wasn't drummed up by me. it was drummed up by "the washington post". there are many lawyers who say he can't run for president. and the democrats are going to bring a lawsuit. i know many democrats. they're going to bring a lawsuit. if he got the nomination, they would bring a lawsuit that he's not eligible to run. he was born in canada. he was a citizen of canada until just recently. he was a citizen of canada.
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between el chapo and the actress castillo. it's talked about how eager she is to go and meet him and he says i'm very eager to be able to come and meet you. we will become great friends. one of your best friends in the world. as they go on and on, it becomes more and more familiar. they talk about details of how she's booking a vacation, about what it is they like to drink. at one point we hear him say but we don't hear him say -- these are text messages. he writes i will drink the tequila you bring and the champagne. i'm not a drinker but your presence is special. i'm eager to meet you and become great friends. this gives a bit more of a glimpse at this relationship that we're learning about now between this very famous actress not just in mexico but in recent films in the united states and el chapo. it's just as we go through this, thomas, as you've been saying throughout, it's stranger than reality. it's just incredible. and this relationship seems to
be something that authorities are now going to focus on. because we know it was the actress who brought sean penn in to begin with. >> msnbc ease cal perry, thank you very much. this is stranger stranger than fiction. seeing all this unfold with el chapo, sean penn, kate del castillo. it's wild. coming up next, it's wild and everybody's got it, powerball fever. what are the odds of winning a ticket tonight? they keep getting worse as everybody buys more tickets. the questions facing the winner whether you take the lump sum or you take the annuity. what's better for you? part of my interview at the top of the hour with donald trump and here he is giving his opinion on whether the iran nuclear deal helped to lead to the quick release of the ten navy sailors. do you stand by the assessment that the iran nuclear deal is a bad one is this. >> of course it is a bad one. they get $100 million. they don't want to jeopardize that. who says let's keep the ten
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itswhen you're engineeredct to literally to drive circles around the competition. hi, everybody. great to have you with me. i'm thomas roberts. and we start this hour with 2016 politics. senator ted cruz and donald trump locked in a dead heat in iowa. this is according to brand-new polling from the des moines register and bloomberg politics. cruz slightly leading trump by 3 points and within the margin of error and has the numbers tighten, both men continuing attacks back and forth.
last hour i spoke with donald trump on the phone where he again hit on the issue of cruz's eligibility to run for president. >> i think in the end i'm going to do very well in iowa. i mean, i don't know. who knows what -- i can't predict. i think i'll do very well in iowa. i like ted cruz. if he's got a basic problem, but i like ted cruz. >> when we look at the race being so close in iowa and you talk about that friendship and the fact that you like him, there have been issues that have been drummed up about whether or not he would be eligible to run for president. he says that this is settled law. you say and you sent out a tweet -- >> certainly unit settled law a not drummed up by me but "the washington post." many lawyers say he can't run for president and the democrats will bring a lawsuit. i know many democrats bringing a lawsuit, if he got the nomination, they would bring a lawsuit that he's not eligible to run. he was born in canada. he was a citizen of canada until
just recently. he was a citizen of canada. it was a joint citizen of the united states and canada. but he was a citizen of canada. now, when you're a citizen of canada, and you were born in canada, there's a real question. a lot of people say you have to be born of the land, meaning on the land. and i've read numerous articles and not only professor of harvard, go to others. there was a big article the other day in "the washington post" from a different group of lawyers that were saying the same thing. my problem is that he has to get this cleared up. he can go for declarative judgment. go early to court. how can you vote for somebody where there's a question? i'm not saying right or wrong. there's a big question and you can't have your nominee with a question. it's an impossible to do. he's going to be running and people suing to say he's not allowed to run. >> joining me now, host and political correspondent steve
kornacki, national correspondent joy reed and political reporter nicklas comvasori. good to have you with me. steve, who gains the most out of the attacks between cruz and trump? >> well, you know, it's tough to say and for good reason. they have both kind of avoided getting into this until now. if you look at the last month, donald trump's starting to attack ted cruz a little bit in the last few weeks and ted cruz taking heat from other places in this campaign, ted cruz is paying a bit of a price for that. we have a new des moines register poll with cruz in front in iowa and he's down 6 points in iowa. over to last month trump meanwhile actually gone up a point or two there so it seems that once ted cruz got in the spotlight in the last month, the scrutiny kind of picked up. more attacks from opponents. he is brought down a notch. trump, meanwhile, all the thing that is are routinely said about him. he ease not lost much support and may be that ted cruz has more at risk here.
>> looking at this on a bigger picture here, nick, attacks are going to continue as we go through this primary season. 19 days until iowa. but an establishment candidate could potentially break through or no? as we look at the cbs/"the new york times" poll showing donald trump nationally holding on to the nation lead and ted cruz at 19% and donald trump at 36%. he's run away on a national level. >> but the national polls are not where the race is won and lost. it's in the states. remember, so much changes in this campaign and all campaigns right now in the next few weeks. things change awfully quickly. i think an early loss, for example, in iowa could really be deadening to trump. this is a guy whose brand is winning, whose brand is victory. what happens when he loses in the first contest? same for hillary clinton. losing i with an and new hampshire it gets harder and harder to sell that to donors.
what i see happening in the establishment lane, though, thomas, is that what you have is marco rubio is basically running second or third in the first four contests. it's not as good as running first or second. but it's a start to the consolidation of that lane and perhaps coming out ahead further down the line. >> all right. so, joy, iowa was a forecaster for bush in 2000 on the republican side of things and greater for the democrats but as we look at the feud going back and forth between ted cruz and donald trump, it really does, that distraction allows other folks to sharpen up their game and maybe rise especially after the debate tomorrow night. >> to the extent anybody is paying attention to them, yes. marco rubio has the surges and peaks out at 12%. right? so he and jeb bush at a long time trading 8% versus 9%. chris christie in the 5% range. i think the establishment lane, the problem with that theory is if you add up the establishment candidates, they get to about 40%. they still have a momentum
problem and they have a credibility problem with the base of the party. i think what's more likely is you have the establishment wing of the party wanting a marco rubio desperately and maybe he'll even become the consensus establishment candidate but that does not mean you're able to convert the people who are supporting ted cruz and donald trump to then become supporters of that candidate. i think it is different this year than previous years. the base of the party's insisting on its own guy. the interesting thing is question of ted cruz's eligibility because he is the one person in this 14-person race that ticks the most boxes in terms of pieces of the republican base. if he were to fall away, i don't know how you stop donald trump from getting the nomination. >> okay. as we look at what's going on with south carolina, because i asked donald trump, steve, about nikki haley and her response to the state of the union last night which directly talked about angry or loud voices. the morning she confirmed that she was talking about donald
trump and others in her party. is that something that could eventually hurt him because of her status within souththe soutt for donald trump moving forward, if he were to lose iowa and mn hn? >> a way to look at it is regionally. other way to look at it, look, what's been fueling donald trump for these last six months and nine months? the idea that the republican party establishment doesn't like him. scared of him. out to get him. he's appealing to voters that believe that establishment sold them out. doesn't represent their interest and cuts dirty deals with democrats. you hear that rhetoric all the time. here's donald trump in their mind, the truth teller who the establishment is scared of going to change the way business is done. what did those voters see last night i think potentially? they saw in the speech and president obama's state of the union speech took clear shots at
donald trump and trumpism and here's comes nikki haley and she confirms it today, her shots at donald trump. to the people he's going after and appealing to, last night may have looked like an encapps lags of everything they're seeing for months and years now. a republican establishment in their mind that is all too often in cahoots with the democrats and working against their interests and also a possibility it reinforces donald trump. >> what does it do, nick, for nikki haley as that shining star on the right for campaigns that might be interested in her as a vice president? >> look. i think she would be a great choice for one of the more conventional candidates. i have no idea who donald trump would pick as a nominee, you know, if he's the nominee. who he would have on his ticket with him. you know, he is his own attack dog. he doesn't need regional balance. he's dominating. look. i do think if a more conventional candidate emerges
as the nominee, she is in a great position. she highlights the party diversity as they see it. she has a great tone, played a great role in charleston after the shootings there. she's a rising star in the party for sure. >> south carolina is the firewall for hillary clinton, joy reed. if she were to take a hit in iowa and new hampshire, and the polling shows the demonstration of bernie sanders and hitting the stride, can he maintain it is a big question. >> right. >> but what do you think about the issues in iowa and new hampshire for the clinton campaign and maybe underestimating a power of sanders? >> you definitely see that the clinton campaign firing with both barrels on bernie sanders going sharply negative i guess you could say against him and had a sympathetic relationship up until now. i think the biggest risk for hillary clinton if she were to lose iowa and new hampshire would be that base voters, particularly voters of color.
rethink her electability. he hasn't developed that relationship with voters of color but if particularly black voters believe she is not the most electable candidate, that is what black voters care about, who can win in november, i think they would start to rethink sanders and whether or not he might be a viable choice which would really be a huge red flag for hillary clinton in south carolina. i still think she goes into it with incredible institutional advantages in that state. >> thank you very much. steve, thank you. nick, appreciate it. now to the more elaborate issue of the democratic race and looking at what senator sanders is talking about coming to the rival in hillary clinton. last hour, he joined me as a guest and threatened a convention fight for the democratic nomination after a slew of polls show that sanders is gaining on and often leading clinton. as we look at these new numbers from cbs news and "the new york
times." clinton once commanding a 20-point lead and dropped to a 7 7-point lead. here's how sanders framed the future of the democratic race. >> do you have the campaign infrastructure and the support of the dnc to take this all the way? >> well, maybe not the support from the dnc but we have the support from the american people. thomas, as you know, we have raised more individual campaign contributions than any candidate in the history of the united states of america. 2.5 million cillion contributio averaging $27 apiece. we are getting small contributions of middle class, working families. not only enough money to wage a strong campaign in iowa and in new hampshire, we are working hard in nevada, in south carolina and in many other states, as well. to answer your question, i think the american people are tired of establishment politics, establishment economics. they want to see leadership stand up to the billionaire class. our message is rez nasonating as
the country. we have the energy, we have the funding to take this to the convention. >> all right. so the energy and the funding to go to the convention. joining my brian fallon for the hillary clinton campaign. brian, nice to have you here. thank you for making time for me. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to start with the fight between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. do you see it going all the way to the convention? >> i think this is going to be a very spirited contest for the nomination. we always thought it would be back in april when we first launched our campaign. we knew that it was going to be close, both hillary clinton supporters and bernie sanders supporters want a competitive primary. this tightening in iowa and new hampshire i think was always inevitable. >> we have bernie sanders and hillary clinton because everybody else fell by the wayside. >> governor o'malley is in it. >> he's still around and the new state polls that shows senator sanders leading in iowa and new hampshire.
iowa, 4 points. according to quinnipiac university. and new hampshire it is by 14 points, according to monmouth university. what do you attribute attraction issues for hillary clinton to attract and maintain the lead? >> as we get closer to the voting starting, you see more scrutiny of the records and positions on the issues and why i think started to be more attention around senator sanders on gun safety issues, the vote he took in 2005 to immunize gun manufacturers, a break of senator clinton and senator obama and then on the issue of taxes, hillary clinton's been quite clear she wants to increase taxes on multi-millionaires for bold, progressive proposals and harmless anyone under $250,000. those are middle class families we don't think should be subject to a tax increase. senator sander pros posed a 9% increase on the taxes on the same households and two very
legitimate policy disan i greemts. >> one of the other disagreements is health care and hillary clinton is drawing a distinction about what bernie sanders want to do. here he is responding to secretary clinton. take a listen. >> in 2008, you may recall then senator clinton was attacking then senator barack obama because she supported universal health care. health care for everybody. i support that, as well. and i believe that the most effective way to provide health care to every man, woman and child in a cost effective way is through a medicare for all single payer system. now she is attacking me because i support universal health care. in 2008 she was attacking obama because obama was attacking her because she supported universal health care. i would hope that secretary clinton will tell the american people, does she support universal health care? >> so, brian, does secretary
clinton support universal health care? or, as senator sanders would say, she's a flip flopper back and forth through the years. >> i think if there's one thing that voters know about hillary clinton she's made universal health care the cause of her career. some folks may recall she went up on capitol hill and took slings and arrows for the sake of trying to get universal health care. in 2008, this is an important point. both then senator barack obama and hillary clinton were in favor of universal health care at this time. they both put out detailed proposals on how to achieve it. they had an honest disagreement about the best method to achieve it. now, you have two folks also support universal health care and all we're saying is just as senator obama did in 2008, senator sanders needs to put out the details to judge who has the best approach. hillary clinton's approach is to defend the repeal efforts and
tax credits for instance to deal with out of pocket cost for prescription drugs. senator sanders' proposal to rip up the affordable care act -- >> he won't allow to say rip. >> regardless, he wants to displace it. more importantly, he wants to pay for it with like i said a 9% tax increase on middle class households and not counter act the act of wages but in terms of he likes to say the people better off under a single payer system notwithstanding the tax increase and for populations that is not true because the accomplishment of the affordable care act means that people that are newly eligible for medicaid, people that are getting subsidies on the federal exchanges, people that are under 26 and getting insurance through their parent's coverage all these folks have -- are getting insurance now, quite afford bring. and so, the relative advantage
for them versus the plan that sanders is putting forward is negatiligible negligible. those populations worse off under his plan so that's a legitimate policy disagreement. >> we'll see how it plays out. secretary clinton with rachel maddow tomorrow night and then this weekend all on nbc in the next debate. brian, thank you for joining me. >> thank you. we have been asking folks to weigh in on the pulse question. so far, our results, take a look. 91% say, yes. 9% say, no. all right. so brian is chuckling a little bit. he doesn't like the results. cast your vote. pulse.msnbc.com. it's still early. don't worry, brian. still ahead, after three decades of hostility, does iran's rapid return of ten u.s. sailors signal a break through? we have more on that discussion next. stay tuned.
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we are back with breaking news out of iran. we have a statement of one of the ten sailors. video aired on iranian state tv. take a look. >> it was a mistake that was our fault and we apologize for our mistake. >> we must say we don't know the circumstances surrounding the video and if they participated under duress or if iran released that interview for propaganda reasons. however, this is video that also aired on iranian state tv showing the ten u.s. marines detained after they have boats trespa trespassed. today the sailors are safe and back on shore at the u.s. navy base in bahrain. the u.s. and iran indicating a
mechanical issue that caused the boats to drift. here's mark toner just a few minutes ago. take a look. >> our initial assessment is they were treated humanely, provided with blankets, food, et cetera. we are going to wait for the sailors to be debriefed to speak to the appropriate authorities within the department of defense. i'm not going to in any -- make any effort to evaluate from here what he may or may not have said and whether he was under duress when he said it. >> we are covering the story from multiple angles. first the pentagon, nbc's jim miklaszewski. what do we know about the sailors and what they're going through right now? they're back in port in bahrain. correct? >> reporter: that's right. u.s. military officials say there's no evidence any of them were physically harmed. they're undergoing a reintegration protocol with a thorough medical and psychological exam in case they were affected mentally.
who knows what kind of stress was put on them while they showed no physical signs of any injuries there could be some mental problems and so they go through that protocol. after that is the investigation of very thorough investigation as to what happened. now, we heard that sailor apparently under duress say it was a mistake. u.s. military officials acknowledge there was a mistake here and not sure exactly how it was made. was it mechanical? was it a navigational error? was it simply negligence? that's always possible. that's determined in a thorough investigation and could take at least weeks if not months, thomas. >> nbc's jim miklaszewski at the pentagon, thank you. for more now foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin. let's talk about the sailors and testament to what we see here and diplomatic progress.
trust of two countries even though it was put to some stress. >> yeah, absolutely. and some are describing this as a confidence building measure, not going to lead to any breakthroughs in the region. iran and america on opposite sides of the ongoing wars and syria as well as in yemen and this is an important step forward. direct communication between the two sides. the fact of the secretary of state john kerry picking up the phone, calling counterpart in iran, both of the gentlemen celebrated that today in statements. in fact, the iranian foreign minister celebrated it saying that this was a testament to howdy ploem sy and respect are leading much better leading options than threats and in any other kind of derogatory statements and heard from secretary kerry also celebrating diplomacy as being able to bring about the swift release of these ten sailors so while there's
differences this could have ended much worse. the iranians could have escalated this. could have been interrogated by the interrainians and look at it from their perspective, as well. they released the images and from the west looking at this from the west saying it cld have been under stress. we don't know the nature of it. from the iranian perspective, they can show that they were treated humanely, given food and did not feel they were under threat and part of the argument they're making in terms of releasing that and they perhaps did not go out into the international waters to capture or detain these american sailors and bring them back into iranian control. so it could have played out differently. we have seen that in the past. british sailors held for weeks when they were in territorial waters and still four iranian americans in the custody of iranian government that have no clear indication whether or not they're going to be released. >> in the interview with donald trump at 1:00, we brought that up. you know, really not overly
impressed by the act of diplomacy when we still have the americans being held in iran. one american who's missing. so, what does that mean about how thedy plo mattic relations in this scenario to pave the way to their scenario? >> well, this one is a very difficult situation to assess. the context is very different. there's no doubt that in the presence of the american military and having sailors in your custody, that would have escalated the situation, tensions very quickly if the government indicated that these sailors would not be released quickly. if they demonstrated an unwillingness by the iranian government to release them, put them through some kind of judicial process, violated territorial waters and as a result they have treated as such, that would have had a different tone and dynamic. there are still lingering differences between the two countries. it is not going to be seen in any way, shape or form that's going to be a sudden moment
between the two countries to have complete cooperation on all different fronts. the four iranian americans went through or some of the cases went through judicial processes that the iranian government feels was fair and broad due process. obviously getting criticism in the international community an here in the u.s. about those including "the washington post" reporter. so still big differences between these two countries all across the region but this was an incident that was certainly accelerated because of the diplomacy that's taking place between the two countries over the past yore. >> nbc's ayman mohyeldin, thank you. appreciate that report. next, he lost his partner in the san bernardino attack. that tragedy landed him right in the box with the first lady. last night, to hear president obama's final state of the union address. we're going to speak to ryan reyes. he is my guest next. miles. and surprise! those seats sometimes cost a ridiculous number of miles, making it really hard to book the flight you want.
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fellow citizens, when a mosque is vandalized, or a kid is called names, that doesn't make us safer. that's not telling it like it is. it's just wrong. it diminishes us in the eyes of the world. it makes it harder to achieve our goals. it betrays who we are as a country. >> there we have it. the final state of the union address from president obama. and he pressed for return to a core of american values, a return to tolerance and inclusion and also talking about gun issues for this country. seated in the first lady's box last night, ryan reyes who even through unspeakable tragedy is a voice against religious intolerance. his partner daniel kaufman was
killed last year in the san bernardino attacks and here he is in "l.a. times" embracing members of the farook's mosque and attended the memorial to pay their respects. ryan reyes joins us now from washington. thanks for joining me. we have to get you to a flight and won't keep you too long. okay? >> okay. >> last night, the impact, what was it like for you especially? we know there was a seat reserved for people lost. their voices unheard because they have been lost to unviolence. you were sitting behind that if i'm correct. >> correct. i was directly behind that seat. >> what was that moment? not a lot of people can understand what you've gone through personally and what it means to be there at such a moment in history. >> it was absolutely amazing. i was extremely honored to be invited to have a seat in the first lady's box.
and it really just let it hit home that if you are an average person and you do have true beliefs in something like this, people will pay attention to you. as long as, you know, obviously you have to be given the platform, unfortunately. but once you do have that platform, people will actually start listening to you. so, that has just really been an inspiration to me and i felt extremely honored. >> you know, one thing we all watched last night was the response after president obama gave his remarks, the gop side with nikki haley leading the way on that. she talked about angry or loud voices and she tried to lend hers to bring a different tone to the national dialogue in politics. take a look. >> and what it also said was here are people that is a different dynamic. >> 75% are not.
we've had a lot of work on nonprofit. >> it can be tempting to call the siren call of the angriest voices. we must resist that temptation. no one who is willing to work hard, abide by our laws and love our traditions should ever feel unwelcome in this country. >> and just to put it in context, she was speaking about ishlgss of imgragts. we know on the right there's been a lot of attention paid to banning muslims from coming in to this country. the situation of the farooks. we know that siad born here. his wife was not. she was here on a fiancee visa brought to this country and they took your partner daniel. when you hear, though, a lot of anger on the right and the support at rallies and things like that, ryan, are you heartened by hearing that there are political voices out there, left and right that want to have a rational and real dialogue?
>> that makes me feel very good that there are people on both sides. unfortunately, there are also people on one particular side that have the exact opposite view and those are definitely the people we need to be reaching out to and working on getting to come together because this really is something that we need to completely take out whether you're a democrat or a republican or a conservative or liberal. this just needs to be something that we need to look at from we are all humans. and i think that's our best bet and i am very glad to hear that there are people on both sides on board with it so far. >> ryan, we'll let you go to get off to the airport. safe travels with you and your mom back to california and i appreciate you making time for me. >> thank you. any time, thomas. coming up next, the backlash to south carolina governor nikki
haley's state of the union response. >> we must fix our broken immigration system. that means stopping illegal immigration and it means welcoming properly vetted legal immigrants regardless of their race or religion. just like we have for centuries. recommended dulcolax use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief suppositories for relief in minutes and stool softeners for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax, designed for dependable relief
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reacts to her words. >> she's a good woman and she disagrees with me politically on immigration. i want people to come into the country but i want them to come in legally. i want to come in legally. that's a distinction. she just very weak on the subject an something that doesn't play very well with me. >> she seemed to echo that about them coming in legally and properly vetted to live here under american law. what do you think her motives are for going after you publicly and so strongly? >> well, she probably figures maybe it's good for her. maybe it's not good for her and turns out to be bad for her because people know where i stand and you see the numbers. >> so joining me now, political analyst elise jordan and a senior former policy adviser to rand paul's presidential campaign. greet have you here. as we talk about what this is really a larger issue for, should governor haley have gone after the gop front-runner so
distinctly? >> i'm proud of her for doing it. i think it was the right call and i think nikki haley is the right kind of lead tore take a stand against trump. she -- also, trump is decrying her stance on immigration but he donated to her in 2010 and 2014 basically maxing out to her gubernatorial campaign so suddenly attacking him, he is not a fan of her anymore. >> he said donald trump did vocal about the fact that he has used political leaders with donations to help sway them on the issues -- >> i thought the immigration -- all of the upset over, you know, what she said about immigrations, taking him on, she is saying pretty much that she does not support illegal immigration. she doesn't want open borders. >> yeah. >> i don't understand why -- she said she doesn't want syrian refugees coming to south carolina. so i just don't understand what she said that is so
controversial. >> meanwhile, not just from gop front-runner donald trump, not liking remarks directed at him, we have people on the right, those conservative radio voices like laura ingram tweeting, quote, too bad nikki haley missed her opportunity to stand with working people who want borders enforced, american workers put first, government shrunk. and then we had reince priebus saying great job, nikki haley. our party is the new, young and diverse party. is that showing the type of reckoning that's coming for the gop right now of trying to find that balance of who want it want to be? >> what nikki haley talking about addressing the anger, anger takes you so far. we need actual solutions and what she's done in south carolina is pretty impressive. and pretty conservative. she has taken on the union. she's brought in a lot of new
industry. has job creation in south carolina. is stronger than it's been in the last 13 years. and so those are conservative principles and conservative governing that you would hope that the party could rally around. >> we know they have been challenged in the state of south carolina, not just only with mother emanuel we also by mother nature with the flooding and she is put in an unenviable position. thank you. >> thank you. bernie sanders is surging in the latest polls out of the i with and new hampshire. just last hour, i had a chance to speak with him and went after secretary clinton on the issue of social security benefits. take a look. >> i am waiting to hear whether secretary clinton has changed her views from 2008 and whether or not she'll support an expansion of social security benefits for millions of elderly people who just cannot make it on $12,000 or $13,000 a year.
>> the race for the democratic nomination is the topic of the pulse question. frances rivera tracking the results for us. what are we seeing? >> viewers think that bernie sanders can overtake hillary clinton and stay there as you can see here. this is overwhelming. it was last check, thomas, 91% saying yes and now 85% with 15% of the viewers at home saying, no. when you look at the breakdown here in realtime, you can see that reflects pretty much overwhelmingly. people voting in, pointing towards, yes, in the sense of that party. look that the breakdown. a few republican votes just in the last minute here as we are talking. with some dipping. democrats also voting here. saying that, yep, mostly towards yes. and when it comes to gender, pretty much reflecting the same thing. male and female. all pointing towards yes. i know when you mentioned brian fallon when it comes to hillary clinton's spokesperson, the
press secretary and he said he is not happy about this and that's where we got a dip and some voters going to neutral. you can see overall when it comes to this, thomas, pretty much overwhelming, 85% of our viewers saying bernie sanders can overtake hillary clinton as a front-runner. >> thanks so much. hillary clinton joining our colleague rachel maddow for an interview tomorrow night at 9:00 eastern on msnbc and then this weekend on sunday night nbc news hosting the next democratic debate sunday 9:00 p.m. eastern. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, and the lowest taxes in decades, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in the hudson valley, with world class biotech. and on long island, where great universities are creating next generation technologies. let us help grow your company's tomorrow, today at business.ny.gov
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killing two and the killer taking his own life reveal that is this shooter had an ideas about dylan rooff who did the church shooting. the copies released and also a lot of ideas i would say about racism. i'm reading now from this released journal just in hour. quote, some blacks stand openly and vote against all evil but very few. quote 40% of whites are now as depraved as the majority of blacks, end quote. obviously, disturbing materials here. police releasing this as part of their ongoing process but it does shed some light into something we all covered and americans are concerned about. these graphic killings and murders and shootings and motive is always a big question and whether someone is deranged and sort of repeating things they have heard or hold their own motives and ideas of racism and violent ideas that they're actings on. >> wow. it is pretty amazing.
now made public for everybody to go through. ari melber, thank you, sir. >> sure. >> appreciate you getting on the air with that. we'll take a turn and ta talking about whether or not they have bought a pow earlball ticket. you probably seen long lines places. everybody wants to be a billionaire. about eight hours away, the powerball drawing will happen. get this, the biggest ever. $1.5 billion. the odds are a lot bigger that you won't win. but it's fun to play. right? we'll talk about that coming up. stick around. ♪ why blend in with the crowd? why shy away from the extraordinary? why fit in, when you were born to stand out?
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the odds of losing are almost guaranteed. used to be in 1 in 175 million. now it's 1 in 292 million. >> make the changes in october. >> made the changes back in october. actually i was on a phone call with the executive director of powerball saying it's working. he says they sold more than $300 million in tickets yesterday an thinks they'll sell more than $600 million today. the peak time is when you get off work, thomas. rush hour. he thinks they'll be selling $1.3 million worth of tickets every minute. >> wow. i have mine. the line down stairs here today at the little area in rock center about ten people deep. >> yeah. >> but it's amazing. why not? >> they win it moves to saturday night and more than $2 billion. >> we'll see what happens. thanks so much. that wraps up things for today's show. see you back here tomorrow.
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it's one of the few regrets of my presidency. that the rancor and suspicion of the parties gotten worse instead of better. >> nbc senior white house correspondent chris jansing in omaha ahead of the president's speech. chris, tell us what to expect there. this is sort of a victory lap, right? >> reporter: yeah. it's the sotart of a year-long lap with the president getting out there. not unusual for a president after a state of the union to get out. for the president, this is something different. he really is going to try to build on what he said last night and also, frankly, build on the push for a democratic ideals ahead of the 2016 vote coming up in november. look, this is a reliably red state and people wonder why he would come to nebraska but by congressional district, he did win the omaha congressional district in addition to that, you might say