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chicago. video has just been released in the fatal shooting of 17-year-old cedric chapman by a chicago police officer. he was shot and killed back in january of 2013 while police were responding to reports of a carjacking. police have said they thought chapman had a gun, and the officer was in fear of his life. the independent police review authority in chicago found the officer was justified in the shooting. chapman's family says the video will prove he was not armed. the release of this first video comes after the city dropped its opposition to making video public overnight. let's turn to nbc's john yang out in chicago. as i understand it, this is the first of several cameras and vantage points that we will see. >> we have in hand three videos, three angles of this, kate, two from security cameras, one from a city observation camera, those globes you see hanging over street intersections. the third one, which i believe
is being reviewed now by standards here at nbc is the clearest. and we'll show it to you as soon as we can. this is the first angle. it misses some crucial points. you can see on the right side of your screen there an officer, then it turns to go up another street and that, by the arrow in that lane, the right turn lane, you can see what is, i believe, an officer standing over the body of cedric chapman. now, you can't see in this angle the crucial moments. the question is whether or not chapman turned or made a move to turn toward police and pointed something at the officer, which is what the police claim. now, in the third video, which i have looked at which i believe is being prepared for airing, you can see the entire incident
from another angle. you can see, unfortunately, there's at one point that a car passes in front of chapman just before he falls to the ground. but i think that what the family's lawyers are pointing out and want people to take away from that third angle is that the entire time chapman is running away from police. there doesn't seem to be any change in momentum or direction. no turn toward police, which is what the officer claimed as his justification. he said that chapman turned toward him and pointed something at him that he took to be a gun and he feared for his life. now, both the police and the family acknowledged chapman was not armed. the object in his hand was an iphone case or a box that was taken from the car. but it's very hard to see how
any of these videos can be -- could be fully conclusive. i think that the third one takes a little more examination. there is a moment when a car passes in front of him, in front of chapman, the 17-year-old, and you can't see exactly what's going on. and perhaps -- i don't know -- you could argue in court that that makes it inconclusive. >> john yang following all of it. john, we'll go back to you if we get more video into the system so we can talk about that. joining me now is ari melber who has been following this case all along. the question is why are we seeing this video now? and the judge himself in ordering the release of the video seemed sort of stunned that the city of chicago was at the last minute willing to have it released. >> that's right. the city of chicago led by rahm emanuel fought the release of this video for several year,
then did a 180 reverse course and said, okay, you can have it out. that's all a response to the laquan mcdonald video and the subsequent protests and pressure on rahm emanuel. now, two things i want to stress and we can show a version of this video that i think will be clarifying, one, kate, is there z two lawsuits about this. a wrongful death suit from the victim's family here, the chapman family which goes to why some of this is being pushed. but two, interestingly, lorenzo davis who determined that this shooting was unjustified and then was told by his superiors that was the wrote wrong outcome that he was biased, he was fired. he has a wrongful termination suit about all this. a lot here. we can show you on the video in a couple sequences. the beginning of this video, you're going to see the officer coming down here. let's play that. you'll see the officer in this
frame coming down the street. that's the still. now we play the next one and you see him advancing to the right towards chapman. and you'll see this. if we slow it down and you look there, then this -- well, that's not the part i want to show you. this is the other part -- there. there it is. right now, that is the officer there advancing. this was not the officer who shot chapman but was advancing on him. the next still you see, the next thing you see is when the camera jumps, it's the automatic jump and you see what we believe to be chapman on the ground. there the black blob just to the right of that orange awning. the reason we've cut this up having shown it fully in context before is you see in the three stills what the dispute is about. did chapman there, who is now we see fallen to the ground, did he do anything in those moments before to threaten officers or leave them to feel threatened to justify the shooting? that's the debate. the way it unfolds on this video
doesn't leave you with that actual key moment, kate, on video. as john mentioned we are processing the third camera ang angle. >> the judge, why did he say that he thought it might be irresponsible to release the video, but then he went ahead and let it out. >> look, there is a fair debate over this in general which is when you have ongoing criminal inquiry, this individual, mr. chapman, deceased, but there are cases i already mentioned plus criminal case against two other people accused of a carjacking that occurred before this incident, there's always the question of what do you put out and does it taint the jury pool and put out incriminating information. and what critics have argued is sure, that's an issue. but if police are putting out all this information about defendants who are citizens, then there shouldn't always be a double standard that something that might, might inkrim nat officers doesn't come out. indeed, and i'd be interested in
joe's view as a former nypd officer, this videotape doesn't make chicago police look that bad on its own. there's a holistic piece of evidence here that i mentioned earlier and the inquiry that found it was unjustified. there are other things that make it look bad. but why fight so hard to keep this a secret, that's not clear today. >> let me put that to joe. a retired nypd detective and professor at john jay college also here with us in new york. answer the question that ari just raised. what do you think about the release of the tape? >> i can't imagine why you'd want to hold this thing for years. this isn't the zapruder film. this is so inconclusive, it doesn't show good actions or bad actions. it's just there. some of the problem with these surveillance cameras is you get those kind of snapshots, and that's what we see here. >> we may see different that there were other security cameras that were reviewing now at nbc news before we put them
on the air. but regardless, you're saying it doesn't seem like something they should have fought for so long. >> no, i don't see why they fought this. i mean, understand this also falls clearly on the district attorney, too, because she's responsible for releasing evidence once it's no longer in use. if this case has already been adjudicated and everything ps been cleared, then this thing should have been released a long time ago. >> when you watch that video as we've been showing it, what do you see? >> unfortunately, i mean, the officers, they have very bad tactics. the first rule of engagement when you have to use your firearm is cover and concealment that gives you that extra second before you have to fire your weapon. that's one thing that i would encourage them to look at in their training to see why aren't these officers taking that cover. we saw that with the laquan mcdonald shooting, too. >> he's going right down the middle of the street. >> and going into that sun. the sun glaring into his face which can inhibit what he actually is seeing. >> as john yang mentioned, we can't tell yet whether the young
man is running away from the officer, which is what the family has said. >> sure. i mean, running away. and it's not unusual for bad guys when you're chasing them to look back, too, while they're running because they want to see how far you are behind them. that's not an unusual thing for somebody to turn around. >> will you stay with us and if we get the other cameras and the other angles. and we'll keep you around for that. we'll turn to tonight's politics and the final gop face-off before the iowa caucuses. donald trump talking about ted cruz. this is joanne.
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>> look, in new york we took a big hit with the world trade center. worst thing ever. worst ever in the united states, worse than pearl harbor. when people want to knock new york, first of all, you shouldn't be doing it because you have a massive population there. but when you want to knock new york, you got to go through me. new york is an amazing place with amazing people. >> trump's warning comes as cruz fends off questions about a loan from goldman sachs he never reported in campaign finance reports. and cruz rolls out an endorsement as well from duck dynasty star phil robertson in his latest tv ad. jeb bush takes an unexpected call on his apple watch. that's not jeb bush. but he did. and more turmoil in the carson campaign. the finance chair who resigned today will join us live. all of this as the rhetoric between the top two democrats heats up ahead of their debate this sunday night. we've got all the political news of the day covered from our team outside tonight's debate. let's begin with nbc's katy tur who covers the trump campaign. katy, good to see you.
trump's strategy tonight, what are they saying? >> trump's strategy is, as it always is, he's a counterpuncher. they say -- they've told me today that they are in debate prep as we speak. unclear what exactly that debate prep is because they're always very tight lipped about how exactly they go into these debates, but he has said in the past that he's a counterpuncher. if ted cruz comes after him, do expect to hear donald trump bring up something like the birtherism, the canadian birth and whether he's eligible to be president. also this new loan issue that's out there. donald trump could be highlightsing that ted cruz isn't necessarily as everyman as populist as he many koss off to be. he's headactaking a loan from g sachs, a big bank which he professed not to be a part of when he was running for senator -- not to like, excuse me. wait to see if he counterpunches for ted cruz. i do not expect him to punch first. he hasn't been like that in
debate past. he's taken more of a backward role. >> only seven candidates on stage tonight. does that help or hurt donald trump, they think? >> it could help. we could get more air time. but i don't necessarily think it's a positive for him. the less air time he gets, could be better. he's not strong at debating. doesn't have a lot of policy behind him, a lot of specifics. the amount of time he gets could essentially or could actually hurt him down the line if he's not able to answer questions as clearly as others. ted cruz is a very good debater. he knows what he's doing. if donald trump's going to go up against him on the debate stage toe to toe, i'm not sure trump will come out the winner in that scenario. >> katy tur and let's move on to ted cruz who heads into tonight's debate after his latest tv ad hit the air waves featuring the endorsement of duck dynasty star phil
robertson. >> i've looked at the candidates. ted cruz is my man. he fits the bill. he loves us. he's the man for the job. and he will go duck hunting. >> but the texas senator also heads into this debate with this unwelcome headline katy just mentioned. in "the new york times" hanging over him, details of previously undisclosed loan that he received from goldman sachs while he was running for the senate back in 2012. we turn to hallie jackson, also at the debate site down in south carolina. let's talk first about this goldman sachs loan. ted cruz says it's an inadvertent filing question. what does that mean? what's the issue here and what is the campaign arguing? >> what ted cruz is saying and his campaign says is that he filed this loan, he disclosed this loan from goldman up to $500,000, up to half a million dollars on his personal disclosure but what he didn't do is file it with the fec, which is a requirement. the campaign says now that this is a mistake, ted cruz saying it
was a mistake. the campaign calling it a matter of semantics will work with the fec to see how they rectify this. they're framing this as minor and even trying to laugh it off with the # cruise crimes like ted cruz ran with scissors. but the concern when you talk to folks outside the campaign, this could hurt ted cruz's narrative. he's this tea party warrior r l railing against big banks now his name and goldman sachs' name linked in one breath. people may not know that his wife worked for goldman, that he has these connections. this is an issue for him moving forward. >> as he prepares for the debate tonight, what's the campaign saying about his strategy going in? >> laying pretty low today at least, most of the prep has already been done. he's with his family hanging out with his girls nearby in north charleston. the strategy will be to make the opening arguments. you've seen him in last six months the last couple of
debates he didn't get much air time and stayed back a little bit. he became more aggressive and assertive over the last couple of months. that's what you're going to continue to see tonight. ted cruz who might jump in and fight back a little bit or a lot if other candidates come at him. >> and just finally, i don't want to let you go without asking about the duck dynasty ad because it is something. it's very effective with certain voters, fans of the show, but phil robertson is also pretty controversial. a guy suspended by a & e in 2013 by making comments about homosexuality and race. what does the campaign think will help them with this ad? >> robertson's popularity among folks who ted cruz is trying to connect with, people who do watch the show people who are really into phil robertson and weren't fazed by that a couple years ago that you talked about. frankly it's an eye catching ad. i can't see the monitor but when you're talking about duck gumbo and out there hunting and people look over and pay attention to
it. >> and black paint on the faces as well. hallie jackson, thank so much. we'll see you soon. remember the last gop debate? feels like a million years ago. but it was about a month ago in las vegas and a lot has changed since that last face-off. here to help us understand where the candidates stood then and how that plays into tonight's debate, msnbc's steve kornacki taking us back. i can't believe it was just a month ago, steve. >> no, definitely. and a lot has happened in the world, a lot has happened with the dynamics between these candidates. i mean, that's what you're getting into there with hallie and katy. so much expectation about will donald trump will ted cruz be going at each other? they've had this informal truce we've been talking about for a long time now. certainly that has broken down on the campaign trail. we have a clip of them. this was in the last debate. a back and forth between them talking about the wall having a sort of a friend lid moem, this was in the last debate.
>> i tell you, if i'm elected president, we will secure the border. we will triple the border patrol. we will build a wall that works, and i'll get donald trump to pay for it. >> i'll build it. >> so that's the sort of the truce that we've been seeing. the question tonight is will they go after each other. here's the thing i'm wondering about that, what katy said is donald trump doesn't attack on stage unless he's attacked. i think donald trump's response to that question, to the ted cruz attack about new york values, where donald trump invoked 9/11 and said if you want a taste of new york values think of the new york you saw on display after 9/11, i wonder if that's given cruz pause about showing up at this debate to aggressively go after donald trump. it's a very effective response. it's weird to say because donald trump is so good at handling the media, but people were surprised at how adept he was at handling
that attack from ted cruz. >> let me play another key moment from last month's debate, an exchange between chris christie and rand paul and about syria and russia's intervention. >> yes, we would shoot down the planes of russian pilots if in fact they were stupid enough to think that this president was the same feckless weak ling that the president we have in the oval office is right now. >> well, i think if you're in favor of world war iii, you have your candidate. i think when we think about the judgment of someone who might want world war iii, we might think of someone who might shut down a bridge because they don't like their friends. >> first of all, neither of though two guys will be on the main stage tonight. >> christie will be there. >> but not rand paul. >> rand paul won't. that's something that may be missing tonight because rand paul is really the only one up there who really has been voicing, for instance, the topic you had right there, that we were just playing the clip of is the idea of imposing a no-fly zone over syria. would you shoot down russian
planes. chris christie didn't hesitate to stay. rand paul really challenged him on that. that's a role rand paul is comfortable playing and would have played if he was on the stage tonight. when you get the more hawkish, interventionist pronouncements, especially from a christie, especially from a marco rubio. rand paul is very happy to stand up and challenge them. that voice won't be there tonight. >> steve kornacki. one more thing. the biggest stories that have changed or come out since the last gop debate, we were taking a look. executive action on gun control. immigration raids and iran detaining the american -- that should say sailors. those have been huge stories over the last few weeks. incredible to think about how quickly the news cycle changes and what might come up tonight. >> i would say on all those issues, there won't really be any disagreement. it will be a jumping off point for them to offer pretty familiar criticisms of the obama administration. they bungled the deal with iran, they're weak on immigration.
although when the issue of immigration gets raised here, that's one where a lot of these candidates like a ted cruz see an openi ining to go after marc rubio, he was for amnesty before, that gang of eight bill. so to the extent that immigration comes up at all, it is an opening for these candidates to get into the strategies we've been seeing for a while. >> after the break, spokesman for the cruz campaign joins me with a wide range of things to talk about today. also a blow to the carson camp. the candidate's senior adviser, his finance chairman bowing out, but why? he joins me live to answer that question. terry bradshaw? what a surprise! you know what else is a surprise? shingles. and how it can hit you out of nowhere. i know. i had it. that's why i'm here. c'mon let's sit down and talk about it. and did you know that one in three people will get shingles? i didn't know that. i did. he's on tv saying it.
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were not filed exactly as the fec requires, then we'll amend the filings, but all of the information has been public and transparent for many years and that's the end of that. >> that was senator ted cruz responding to a "new york times" report that he took out a loan from mega bank goldman sachs during his 2012 senate campaign. according to the report, the candidate failed to disclose that loan in campaign finance reports. he later disclosed the loan to the senate. joining me from the site of tonight's debate in north charleston, south carolina, ted cruz's communications director rick tyler is with us. good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> let me start with that story since that's the one people are talking about today. and i know that you've been arguing the campaign has been saying that you weren't hiding this loan, but why wasn't it mentioned in those campaign finance reports? >> you know, as ted cruz said, it was an oversight. it wasn't disclosed on the fec filing. when you file the fec filing the
campaign thought they'd filled it out correctly. well known that senator cruz put in about $1.4 million of his own money into winning his runoff election and subsequently the senate race and he had put a lot of savings and cash into that race. he liquidated some stocks but did take out a loan, which was really the loan was against assets in his own brokerage account. so he was really borrowing the money from himself. and that was not disclosed in the fec form. we're waiting for guidance on the fec on how to amend and correct that, but as it was said before, all of those loans have been public in personal finance disclosures required by the senate. so they've been public and reported. >> he did sort of what some people would do if they're buying a house and take money out against their own 401(k), something like that? >> that's exactly right. if you have a brokerage account or own stocks and have assets, that has an amount, and you're
allowed to borrow up to a certain amount of your assets. and that's what he did. and when you do that, when you borrow against your own assets, you can get a pretty good interest rate, not a special interest rate, but that's widely available in brokerage houses across the country. so not very unusual. >> here's maybe the bigger question. does this fight ted cruz's overall message. the way he tells the story, he liquidated his assets, he had put everything he had into that race for the senate. now we find out that he got half a million dollars from this huge bank that his wife was working for. does that sort of fight the narrative? >> he got the money from himself, right? he borrowed the money against himself. and it was a goldman sachs account, but it could have been any account. there was no special deal. he got the same deal that other customers would get in any brokerage account. many people put their own money to for their own campaigns.
>> understood. i guess i'm asking more about the perception because now na the name goldman sachs is out there in headlines with the name ted cruz, are you worried at all that it damages his outsider brand? >> nobody believes that ted cruz went to d.c. to drink the kool-aid and assimilate. i can give you mitch mckonl's number to check to see if we're members of the establishment and again we're thot. no one believes that ted cruz is a member of the establishment, no. >> how is he preparing for tonight's debate and the big question we're wondering is will he take on donald trump in a very direct way? >> you know, this is our sixth debate and what senator cruz does before every debate is he relaxes with his family. he's with his wife and his two girls. and they kind of hang around the hotel. i'm not sure what else he does. i know that he does a little praying with his dad usually. and either by phone or in person. and he just kind of relaxes.
all the preparation is done. so just time to just reserve his energy and get ready for tonight. >> once he gets out on that stage, do you anticipate we'll hear some of the sharper attacks that we've -- i shouldn't say attacks, but the sharper language that we've been hearing from him on donald trump? >> well, i think everything he said about donald trump has been in response to what donald trump has been saying about ted cruz. we have not launched any attacks. we've been responding and defending our record. and he's done that with when other candidates have attacked his record falsely and we've corrected the record. if that comes up tonight, we'll certainly defend any advance oppositions. >> good to see you with the ted cruz campaign, waiting for tonight. thanks so much. ben carson's national finance chair and senior adviser dean parker, resigned today capping off weeks of turmoil. parker oversaw a fund-raising operation that brought in a combined $43 million in the last
six months of 2015, but this morning a scathing article by politico raised questions about that fund-raising suggesting the campaign, quote, piled up unnecessary expenses and paid hefty consulting fees to an inexperienced staff, unquote. joining me now for i first television interview since leaving the campaign, dean parker. nice to see you. >> nice no see you again, kate. thanks for having me. >> will meety start with the most basic question. why did you leave? >> it was very simple. dr. carson and i have started this whole journey back when he announced that he's running for president and i was a volunteer as i started with this and i served him flawlessly. i have been home less than 30 nights from may 5th through december 31st minus two small vacations with my family. when the article came out that they were trying to mask and misallege what really happened was, it was time to say, you know what? i'm not going to let him have me be the focus of his campaign
during a debate or this season getting so close to iowa. i sat down with him this morning and i said, dr. carson, i love you, i know you love me, we'll be great friends, we'll continue to be great friends. i'm wondering if the best thing i can do is get rid of this attention because nothing was done wrong and we don't need the media building this up. >> let me ask you about the politico piece. they say that you paid a lot of money out in consulting fees to people who look like they must have been staff. you describe that your campaign paid your firm $145,000 for travel. you were there to raise money as the finance chair, not to spend money. so how do you explain all that spending? >> well, it's very simple. our decision of our counsel to many of our staff and it was to set up and have consulting companies. many already have consulting companies in place. i followed the guidance of our legal guide eps and everything that was done was done through a third party. any of the expenses that were
accumulated for confor events they weren't done to meet with donors to travel around if you're on the road you know 95% of the time you're going to have some hotel stays but at the end of the day everything was done to be most competitive we used stretched every dollar as far as we could and the numbers speak for themselves. we've raised more than any other campaign. we're proud of that sorry. but it's all about transparency. when i did this, i said if i'm going to take care of -- you want me to be reimbursed for these expense, that's no problem. but when we have young people building a grassroots campaign, the reason we have young people is we didn't just pick up the phone and call major donors because we didn't have a list to begin with. we did it that way. because we did it that way, it required some low level people starting. we followed our campaign's leadership, we followed what we were told to do and there's nothing wrong with that. when it came to expenses, every expense from my personally done that refers to my company was done back by a third party in the staff headquarters and made
sure it was done because i would never want anything to come up with this. that's why these allegations are so false and if you read dr. carson's statement this is a friend and trusted adviser a guy that's given his life to this campaign. >> you're saying enthey paid your firm $145,000 for travel that was reimbursing you for experiences that you paid up front? >> that's correct. it was all pass-through expenses. it was also for all the events. we were doing 16 to 18 events a month. when you have to do it, you have to pay normal competitive fees to every hotel, every caterer, all those were run through my company. quite frankly when you raise $1 million in a month in september, october, november and at this rate, spending $145,000 in all those expenses to raise $3 million in a period is fractions. >> let me ask you about one thing that a lot of people are looking at. the article says that you paid yourself a salary of $20,000 a month. ray washburn, chris christie's
finance chairman says it's a ceremonial job. nobody gets paid to be the finance chair. they're suggesting that you shouldn't have been getting a salary. do you want to explain that? >> sure. i never paid myself anything. what happened was, if any contracts took place, they'll be disclosed in the fec reporting and dr. carson will disclose as we do our normal things. the other thing is i was not a traditional national finance chairman. what national finance chairman travels 26 to 28 days a month, is not home with his wife and four kids and gives his whole heart to everything to raise money for a candidate that has no history? most finance chairman pick up the phone and do it from their office. i chose a different route, i went and got involved, i got in front of voter, we got in front of people and we just did it differently. as regards to the salary, i'm not going to comment on that. that will show up in the report. but when i started this i was a volunteer and i have not received any -- all through last year i received no reimbursements that wasn't pass-through expenses when it came to my capital account that
you're referring to. >> you raised $43 million in the second half of 2015 for the campaign. how much of that is left? >> well, you know, i can't comment on that because that comes out in our fec reports. when they're released, we'll comment on that. i'm not part of the campaign right now. >> we're looking at a graphic that says $10 million in cash on hand left in jnary. that's politico's reporting. does that sound right to you? have you gone through that much money? >> again, i can't answer that for you. i'm sorry. i'm not part of that. i will tell you this, dr. carson has, you know, has said we're doing the best to serve the american people and we've had a different strategy and that's the strategy of a grassroots campaign. >> lastly, let me ask you about the state of the campaign. the way a lot of people are reading your resignation is oh, my gosh, another one. somebody else has left the carson campaign. is the campaign in trouble? is ben carson's candidacy in trouble? >> no. in fact, it's the exact
opposite. i was as one of the closest trusted advisers that he will tell you to answer that question over all the things that were going on in the last couple of weeks. i worked with general bob dees, we have larry ross now doing our communications and they're organized, they're deliberative, they're focused. we're well positioned in iowa. we're going to do well. at the end of the day i'm here to serve dr. carson, if it's in a voluntary role right now, i will do it. but i'll never make a media cycle about me. that's not the honor rare thing to do when you're serving a man trying to get to the white house. >> thank you for being with us. >> thank you, have a great day. >> you too. a reminder on the democratic side that tonight candidate hillary clinton sits down with msnbc's rachel maddow to discuss what's next for her campaign as the race tightens between the former secretary of state and bernie sanders. you can catch that tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern.
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because the salad there is always served with the original hidden valley ranch. isis has claimed responsibility for a brazen terror attack in the indonesian capital of jakarta. explosions and gunfire rocked the center of that city on wednesday morning including an explosion at a starbucks popular with westerners. starbucks says a customer at the store was wounded adding all it other stores in the city would be closed until friday just as a precaution. the four-hour-long siege killed seven including five of the attackers. they left 24 people injured. for more i want to bring in our foreign corey respondent. >> that was the last time begins the ritz carlton and the
marriott hotel chain. the last attack almost seven years ago significant symbolic attack right in the heart of jakarta. obviously a western target. but this is really the first time we're seeing an attack that's being claimed by isis. a lot of people are saying this is the first official isis attack in indonesia. why that's significant is because it's the world's largest muslim population, a long history of various militant groups that have been operating there trying to destabilize that country. the bali bombing back in 2002 and several other incidents that were attributed to al qaeda. the indonesian government has been fighting this militant wave for some time. >> you mention al qaeda, but is isis -- you would think that isis might have a stronghold there just because of the size of the place and the large muslim population, but isis really hasn't had such a big presence there, has it? >> they haven't. indonesia is not considered as a widely repressive government, certainly a lot more
pluralistic. a lot of the organization there's have denounced isis' ideology. there's a very strong voice of anti-isis ideology among the muslim clergy and institutions there that have tried to prevent that from taking hold. we haven't seen large numbers from indonesia travel to syria or iraq to join isis. but we've highlighted that there's an organic indigenous militant group in indonesia that has formed and to fight the government ever since its declaration of independence. >> has isis been trying to recruit even if the numbers aren't large yet, they've been trying. >> certainly we've seen them try to recruit all over southeast asia. whenever there are southeast asians among their ranks it's something that shows up in propaganda video. >> great tot see you.
>> great to see you, kate. >> turns to an msnbc exclusive, the story of a man recently freed from death row, alfred dwayne brown was released from a prison last summer after spending a decade on death row for a crime he said he didn't commit. craig melvin has been following this story for us. he spent time with him last night. walk us through this story. >> good afternoon to you. so brown was convicted in 20 05, a high profile case, the killing of a houston police officer named charles clark along with a cashier. here's the thing, no forensic evidence, no surveillance footage, nothing like that. he said he was at his girlfriend's apartment and actually called to check on her when he saw the coverage of the killings on television. proof of that phone call, a phone call made from a landline, proof of that could have been an ally buy. problem was no one could find a record of the call back then and
he was convicted and sent to death row. tiny cell, there it is right there. he would spend 23 hours every day in that cell. then in 2007 he got a new attorney, practices law in northern virginia not far from here. he declares that he knew in his gut after his first meeting with his client, he knew from years as a public defender that this guy was innocent. in 2014, they discovered the missing phone records. they were buried in a box of papers in a police detective's garage. so far there has been no plausible explanation about how it got there. but this is what the texas court of criminal appeals said as it set him free last year. quote, based on the habeas court's finding and their conclusions and their own review, we hold that the state, the state of texas withheld evidence that was both favorable and material to applicant's case in vital of brady. that's a reference to a pk spk case brady v. maryland that
deals with exculpatory evidence and due process. brown walked out of prison june 8th last year. >> craig melvin with the story there. thanks so much for that. the oscar nominations are officially out. up next, a look at the films that racked up the most nods from tinseltown. plus a favorite movie villain actor alan rickman has died at the age of 69. ♪ ♪ (cell phone rings) where are you? well the squirrels are back in the attic. mom? your dad won't call an exterminator... can i call you back, mom? he says it's personal this time... if you're a mom, you call at the worst time. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. where are you? it's very loud there. are you taking a zumba class? the possibility of a flare swas almost always on my mind.
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back with latest on the recapture of joaquin el chapo guzman. jacob rascon joins me from mexico. did you learn anything aboel chapo's condition how he's being held in the prison? >> reporter: kate, we stepped out. all of us had been wondering, after the embarrassing escape last year, what was mexico going
to do to change things? we've heard different reports who might have been done. but this gentleman, a commissioner not only of the prison where el chapo is, but all federal prisons in all 24,000 prisoners in federal prison in mexico. he was brought in after the escape to basically change things make sure this done happen. he says the report of him being sick and weak and in isolation are false. he says that he's in good health. he's had a couple of blood tests and others and he's in great health. he has some pain in his knee, inflammation and they're taking care of than other than that, he's doing great, fed three meals a day. he's fine. he's not in isolation, meaning he has met with those from the court, he's met with some attorneys, three of them that are registered at this point to him. and in fact, he had one of
meetings last night. of course, talking about extradition. there have been no requests from family eduardo says to see el chapo, he had no visitors outside the attorneys. additionally, of course, we talked about security at the prison. talked about the famous tonnel from last july that leads out a mile away from the prison and he says that's heavily guarded, all under control, and at the prison itself, there have been a lot of changes zblou changes. a lot of changes not just for el chapo. four times as many cameras in the prison as there were when el chapo escaped. 24-hour physical presence of guards. there are changes to the construction, the actual flooring, which is thicker. which has some sort of
mechanism, some infrared, he talked about, where it could tell if somebody were to break it. no longer blind spots, for example, now, in the cameras, in the cells. and as we've heard before, el chapo and all other high-priority prisoners are moved around regularly, between cells. el chapo has been moved around eight times in a week, more than once a day. in his words, i'll end with this, he is confident that what happened last july will not happen again. >> all right. jacob rascon in mexico, who spoke with the commissioner who oversees mexico's federal prisons. switching gears, nominations for the 88th academy awards are in today. "the revenant" starring leonardo dicaprio as a frontiersman fighting for survival in the wilderness leads the pack of contenders with 12 nominations. who isn't nominated? who didn't get the nod, for the second year in a row, no minority actors nominated in acting categories.
joined by the host of front-runners on fandango. you can tell me what movies i need to go see because i am so behind as a working mom. i never get there. so, the big, big, big ones we've got to watch? >> "the revenant" the movie with all of the momentum, had almost $40 million wide opening weekend this past week, and now the most oscar nominations. usually the movie with the most nominations wins, it's the one to beat. this race is not over. "the revenant" did not get a nomination from the screen actor guild awards for best cast. there's a lot of overlap. it's heart to win best picture if you don't have and that precursor. it's been 20 years since that's happened "the spotght," "the big short," they did get that very important screen actors guild nomination. those are movies also in play to possibly win the oscar. >> always surprisesexpecting.
>> best picture, people were expecting "car" to get nominated. it did get six but not for best picture. some hoping "star wars." >> that's the only one i have seen, by the way. >> there you go. that's a good one. >> twice. >> of course you did. you've got two kids. >> right. >> that one to get five nominations but nothing in the major categories. and then people were upset "straight out of compton" did not. no acting nominees of color, "straight out of compton" it four white writers that got it. >> there's blowback on that today already. >> there has been, yeah, especially two years in a row. >> exactly. i want to ask about sad news, hollywood lost a talent, veteran actor, alan rickman, there are so many movies. >> a guy who did so much stage work for decades and "die hard" his first big movie and that
brought him into the film scene. but he had so many great films. my favorite is "love actually" still my favorite. he had great stuff with emma thompson, he was cheating on her. a great, great couple story that you got from the two of them and it wasn't easy character to play but he did a fantastic job. the fact he passed away on oscar nominations day. tho though had had four british nominations he was never nominated for an oscar and that's a shame. >> what i remember him for, because of the kids "harry potter." >> such a popular character. >> yeah. >> his voice, that's what people are going to remember. >> great voice. >> people loved to imitate him. it a voice for the ages. >> dave cart, great to see you. >> you too. >> coming up, back to north charleston, south carolina, the site of tonight's gop debate. candidates gearing up for their final chance to sway voters in
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this is the pursuit of perfection. hi everyone, i'm kate snow. this hour, hours away from the sixth republican debate. donald trump says his political movement is bigger than ronald reagan's while ted cruz argues he's the republican candidate who can put blue states like ohio, ohio, michigan back in play. bernie sanders reveals his toughest ad, hitting hillary clinton on wall street reform. the republicans, they may dominate the headlines, donald trump and ted cruz will be just two of the seven candidates on the stage tonight. amention those looking for a breakout performance, jeb bush, attacking trump in a brand-new ad calling him, quote/unquote a jerk for mocking people with disabilities. >> got to see this guy.
i don't know what i said, i don't remember!
>> i have a 12-year-old son, cerebral palsy, that made me so angry, i told my wife i couldn't let that stand. i had to do something. make sure donald trump wasn't the nominee for the republican party. >> i believe life is precious. i think life is a gift from god. and we're all equal under god's watchful eye, that's what i believe. >> meanwhile, ben carson heads into the debate seeking a turnaround of his fortunes after his finance chairman quit the campaign today. full coverage of tonight's debate starting with nbc's peter alexander in north charleston with katy tur. this is a big night. how is this different in tone from a month ago? >> certainly a new urgency recognized this as the first debate of the new year. a new audience tuning in with a recognition that they will be casting their votes within less than three weeks from now in iowa,
barely a month away, in new hampshire. you referred to him accidentally
as donald cruz. easy to make that mistake, these two have been sharing the screen so often. a cruz aide tells us in the last hour, this is the point of contrast. they recognize that people are making decisions at this time and they believe this is the moment where they can separate themselves from donald trump, an aide to donald trump himself said, about the criticisms, that ted cruz has hit him with, he's a new york elitist. in effect, they said, in texas, this aide said, bold and brash is good. they're not afraid of that line. what will be interesting to see if the two shy away from attacks as they have in past or if they attack one another. the line of outsiders versus establishment, that's critical throughout the course of the campaign. will the outsiders be prepared for attacks from establishment candidates? and will the establishment candidates, christie, kasich, rubio, will they fight with one another? now's the last opportunity to make those real points. >> peter alexander, keeping an
eye on all of it tonight. trump's six foray on the stage comes as he tells bloomberg politics he's building a political movement bigger than former president ronald reagan's? >> reagan had a little bit of this but i don't think the same extent. he also won. i haven't been in that position. we have to see what happens. i think that the closest thing i can think of is reagan but i don't think it's the intense that we have. >> joining me now, nbc's katy tur who covers the trump campaign, also in the same room. seven people up on stage. it fox business running the show. any sense for whether -- what we're focused on tonight? focusing on economic issues, or do you any anything goes? >> we have not gotten any clear direction on to what this debate will be focusing on. i think it's going to be anything goes. and that can play into donald trump's favor. it can play out of his favor as well, depends what the questions
are. but we can expect him, according to him, least, counterpunch if he is attacked. that's what we've seen in past debates. if he's not attacked first, i'm not sure we'll see fireworks from donald trump. he hasn't shown that side of him in last five or so debates, only essentially attacking when someone's attack him first. if cruz comes after him for anything, we could potentially hear donald trump talk about cruz's canadian birth or the loan from goldman sachs. >> he says his political movement has more intensity than reagan's did. will his supporters turn up and vote. trump told bloomberg he thinks he will. i want to listen to that sound. >> people, sometimes, wait in line for seven, eight, 10, 12 hours in cold and heat. why would a person stand in line for seven hours and then not want to go into a voting booth that takes ten minutes? i think they're going to vote. >> at the same time, "the new york times" runs an article saying if trump wins iowa it
will be in spite of his organizing team which seems amateurish, halting, committing basic organizing errors. what are we to believe? >> i wouldn't believe "the new york times" on this. we've done a lot of reporting on the ground in iowa about trump's organization. they're focusing on voters who have not -- caucusgoers who haven't caucused in the past, and these people are hard to come by. they're convincing them to come out and vote. and will they do that, i think the likely answer is yes. he isn't lying within he says people wait for hours on end in freezing temperatures to get into his rally. we were in cedar falls a couple of days ago, negative 3 degrees outside, and there were people waiting outside for well over aban hour tote. >> in. some didn't get in. they were waiting to see if he would come out and say hellhell. these are the same people that are going to say yes and show up and caucus.
the criticism, will the people show up in cold on an iowa night and go through the rigmarole of a caucus. the answer from the crowds who are showing up is certainly yes. we're going to have to wait and see, obviously. if he's able to bring out first-time caucusgoers donald trump has a real advantage in iowa. >> katy tur, thanks so much. catch all of donald trump's sit-down interview "with all due respect" 6:00 eastern here on msnbc. ahead of the debate, ted cruz is changing his tune on edward snowden. cruz told the new york times that snowden is a traitor who should be tried for treason. that's a sharp turn from 2013, when he said that snowden had done, quote, a considerable public service by bringing the issue of government surveillance to light. for more on the cruz campaign, hallie jackson, also in south carolina. halle, we've seen cruz and marco rubio in the past at other debates tangle over this issue of surveillance and edward
snowden. do you expect more of that tonight, given that headline? >> i do. talk about cruz's position on edward snowden. referring to comment made in 2013 to "the blaze" a conversation outlet about national security. cruz conditionally talked about if certain things were to happen, if it turned out the federal government was doing things that snowden was reveal, potentially he could be doing a considerable public service. the campaign is pushing back. cruz said if it turned out laws were violated there should be consequences to snowden's behavior. we have seen the snowden attack percolating from marco rubio's supporters over the last month. mailers were sent out about this. you've heard rubio bring this up on the campaign trail more and more, which is an indication it is a line of attack we can see tonight. donald trump and getting all of the attention but establishment candidates like marco rubio hoping to have a moment. >> hallie jackson, thanks so much. under fire from ted cruz for
embodying new york values, donald trump is firing back by invoking the spirit of his state after 9/11. >> look, in new york we took a big hit with the world trade center, worst attack ever in the united states. worst than pearl harbor. when people want to knock new york, you shouldn't be doing it, you have a massive population there. but when you knock new york, you've got to go through me. new york is an amazing place with amazing people. >> i want to bring in "hardball" host chris matthews with us. why are you laughing already? >> because he's smart. because he's one of the few politician is i've come across lately who is smart, when knows how to handle the crowd in front of him. he can talk to the crowd. the crowd talks back. he's alive. spontaneous. here he takes his shot at him and threes it right back at cruz. i like that in politics because it's a stupid thing to say, for somebody, what are new york values in if you're going to say
something, spell it out, you know. really you can't just say somebody's got values of some big city when running in eye u. what is this, the country mouse running against the city mouse? spell it out, buddy. >> i want to show you what peter king, new york representative, said today, weighing in on the same, picking up where donald trump left off. memo to ted cruz, new york values heros of 9/11, cops who fight terror and people who ask for campaign donations go back under a rock. so you -- >> well, yeah, we know about the firefighter who was going up the stairs, several, in fact, 200-some were killed in fighting -- dealing with 9/11, and you know, going up the stairs, when people were coming down, heroes, gutsy people, firefighters. and the first responders really made us all proud. what's the point? i mean i really think they've got to be nailed down and forced by whoever anchor person to get near them to spell out what he means by new york values.
lay it on the table, or take it back. >> what do you make of the new ad cruz has running? it the "duck dynasty" ad it's all over the place. then talk about it. >> i'm looking for candidates. ted cruz is my man. he fits the bill. he's godly. he loves us. he's the man for the job. and he will go duck hunting. >> ted cruz said today, chris, in an interview, he can win blue states, he can win ohio, michigan, pennsylvania. >> with that? with that? >> that's my question. >> i think it's fair to say that's not aimed at new york or massachusetts or even pennsylvania. >> that's my point. doesn't that counter -- >> it's red state stuff. i think your hunch is right, that will be aimed at iowa, home scorers, people that don't like the big city who have fears about big city valueser i guess that's what he's talking about. trump has gotten under cruz's skin with the natural born situation because, if you think about republican concerns, legal
people like who went to law school like cruz did, original intent of the founding fathers, when they said natural born, they meant something by it. only one meaning they could have, are you born in this country or not? now to come out and a, yeah i was born in canada, my father was cuban we moved up there. somehow i'm an american. explain. your mother was an american when she moved up to canada it's an argument, i don't think it's a conclusion. people like lawrence tribe and others saying natural born is what it meant. when conservatives say the right to bear arms they don't quibble over the words, "right to bear arms" means right to bear arms. natural born citizen, what does that mean? does it mean natural born or open to some other interpretation to your convenience? i think you can't just use the constitution as a reference manual. it's either the constitution or it isn't. even when it's inconvenient you have to use itten ete it.
is he a natural born citizen, yes or no? i think a lot of conservatives better examine their conscience, does anybody think they meant anything but born here? >> let me switch to carson for a moment, if i can. ben carson's former finance chair was on with us last hour. he quit this morning. >> yeah. >> he says everything's fine, peachy at campaign. >> that's why he left. >> he thinks dr. carson can pull it through. is that campaign -- is ben carson's campaign effectively over? >> yeah. >> okay. one-word answer. >> fast answer. it was a good question. he's done. i think he had his turn. i think he failed to measure up under questioning of foreign policy, didn't know anything about. he should know something about being commander in chief if you're running for that position. a respected surge, maybe one of great people in our time in that field but not politics.
>> join cis more on "hardball" after the debate and highlights and analysis you're going to want. that gets start at 11:00 eastern on msnbc. great to see you. thank you. >> rnc's meeting today and reportedly on the agenda, outline of possible scenarios for a brokered party convention with the deep -- the divide deepening ahead of the prime mars, can a fractured party be repaired? we'll get into that. dad, you can just drop me off right here. oh no, i'll take you up to the front of the school. that's where your friends are. seriously, it's, it's really fine. you don't want to be seen with your dad? no, it's..no.. this about a boy? dad! stop, please. o, there's tracy. [ horn honks ] what! [ beeps, tires screech ] bye dad! it brakes when you don't. forward collision warning and autonomous emergency braking. available on the newly redesigned passat. from volkswagen.
briefing party officials and the presidentle campaigns about the possibility of a contested convention. for more, i'm joined by msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt. you've got to explain what's going on. rnc says this is not about donald trump which makes me go, really? >> well, kate, i mean, look, some of this is on hold only because obviously we're only a few weeks from early voting and we're going to learn a lot in a very short period of time. going too far too soon would be premature, quite frankly. but there are things the republican national committee has to think through as looking towards this possibility because this field is so fractured. i will tell you, at the winter meeting the only person who is seen as being able to lock this nomination up quickly is donald trump. people do believe that that is a possibility, that he could steamroll through this whole thing and this would be a moot point because there would be no one else going into the convention.
if he doesn't do that, the nominating process is set up in such a way that it's entirely plausible you could have several candidates with significant numbers of delegates but not enough to win on the floor. that would set up this so-called contested convention. while it is in many ways unlikely, it's more likely than it's been in decades and from the rnc's perspective, if you have a convention where you have a presumptive nominee, they take over. and if there were an event where you had multiple candidates the republican national committee would have to step into the vacuum. think about they're going to have it at the arena where the cavaliers play their basketball games. which candidate gets home team locker room? which has to use the visiting side for workspace? do in very enough hotels to deal with the massive interest in the contested convention if that were to be the case. there are some things the party has to think about at this stage. but, i've got to tell you, the
main takeaway, the idea of trump being the republican nominee is much more plausible than it was at any other point. people are in the acceptance phase. back the meeting i cover the a year ago, all about whether or not mitt romney were going to jump into the race and people deciding whether to work for jeb bush or scott walker. you see how that has terned out. >> that's a stark headline. starting to come to acceptance? >> the acceptance phase. people thought this was impossible. these people have been working inside the republican party infrastructure for years and thought this was a bubble that would burst, there's no way, months after trump announced that he would be in a position to potentially be nominated. for why of these people, it their livelihood, it's what they focused their careers. this would be a major, major
change. lots of hand wringing. the political world looking to the gop debate, new polling is up-ending the democratic race for president. a brand-new poll shows bernie sanders trailing hillary clinton by two points in iowa, well within the margin of error there. this, after a series of polls this week showed clinton trailitrai trailing sanders by a slim margin. sanders gaining ground, the election could come down to the first in the south contest of south carolina, where hillary clinton holds a sizable lead. joining me now, the former chairman of south carolina's democratic party, nice to see you, sir. >> nice to see you. >> we're talking about a race that could be a lot tighter than everybody thought. how do you read all of these polls that we've been talking about over the last few days? and how close do you think it is? >> well, i think primary polls are suspect because no one really knows who's going to vote, who's going to turn out in, iowa, for instance, a caucus
system. who is more motivated to turn out? the sanders folks seem to have more did a lot more enthusiasm there and obviously new hampshire. south carolina, where neither candidate seems to have a strong position, beginning to hear anecdotal information about sanders' volunteers going door-to-door in heavily african-american neighborhoods and getting good response. this is preliminary and again anecdotal. i think it's a horse race in south carolina. >> joe biden recently said it would be tough sledding for senator sanders in south carolina. do you think that's true? you mentioned they're starting to organize going door-to-door. is it tough sledding? >> she is -- we've said six months ago she was the presumptive nominee if joe biden didn't get in. i think, as my friend mud cat saunders said you can only be
inevitable once and that was '08 for her. she's having the same problems again. and can she coovercome those? yes. bernie sanders, i talked to a guy yesterday who is a democrat, who is a younger -- younger than me, obviously, democrat, and i said -- he and his wife i figured would be hillary people. he said, quote, i'm feeling the bern. so it's -- >> it's there. >> he's resonating with young democrats, both african-american and not. and so, it's early. we don't vote here until february 26th. so if bernie were to carry iowa, in p new hampshire, come to south carolina with momentum, who knows? i don't know what's going to happen in nevada. is it plausible? yes. so it's too early to tell. >> let me ask you about something you said earlier, asked about the republican strength whether you could picture a republican in the white house.
you said, in the short term we could end up with republicans running the country. i think in the longer term that's good. every time the republicans have run anything, they've blanked the pooch. do you really think a republican -- those were your words, sir. blanked the pooch? >> you know. okay. i can't say that word on tv. do you think a republican president would be a good thing for democrats long term. >> it's not a good thing for the country. look, if it's a donald trump or a ted cruz, i mean, they've got seven people on the stage here tonight and it looks like a disney movie of the seven dwarfs, who is dopey, who is sneezy? it is laughable this crowd they're putting up but it could be, if we don't as democrats get our act together, stop worrying about you know polling numbers, bernie sanders ain't worried about polling numbers. he's out there saying what he believes and following up and doing what he says. he's not playing the game.
i think any politician there playing the game. trump's not saying it. trump's saying what he believes. it's wrong, it's xenophobic, borders on fascism but he's say wag he believes. we need as democrats -- hillary needs to stop focus grouping every syllable and say what she believes. the idea of we're going into an argument single payer system, what is it your for right now? does she have the experience to be president of the united states? absolutely. but she apparently -- i don't know whether it's a campaign malfunction or whether she's just overthinking everything, but she's not speaking clearly and not exciting people. bernie is. bernie sanders is out there exciting people. >> you're sounding like a bernie sanders supporter, sir. >> no. i'm not made up my mind. i'm not convinced either one of
them is -- i'm a joe biden guy. now, there's a guy that would be right now beating all of the republicans, be winning the primary. >> is there any way he could get in now, any way? >> look, ooh saw the vice president just a week before christmas at the white house. he is obviously the most qualified, most competent guy to do it. what's going on with joe biden he's worried about his family and still mourning the death of his son. i know in the political world that is something that people just sort of reject. if your whole family was killed in a car wreck last week, most people running for president would have a great funeral, use it politically, move on to the race. that ain't joe biden. he's a good human being. that would be a great president. >> former chairman of the south carolina democratic party, thanks so much for your time today. >> thank you. >> enjoy that debate tonight. new details from the pentagon as to how two u.s. naval vessels straight into
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indigenous military force, in this case the iranians, board a ship in their own -- in their own territorial waters. but what carter did say is that he didn't think the u.s. would do it that way, with guns at the ready and forcing them into that -- on their knees with their hands behind their back. and the one interesting thinging he said, however, i don't like to see hour guys in custody of somebody else. but he made it clear that he thought that the iranians were within their rights to board the ship, whether they were in their rights to take them ashore is one thing. but he did say, just as secretary kerry said yesterday, he's thankful that this ended quickly and smoothly and the americans are back. the investigation, however, continues. kate? >> jim miklaszewski at the pentagon, thanks. after more than a year of
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released surveillance video of shooting of 17-year-old cedric chapman. shot and killed by police officer three years ago, january 2013, when police were reporting to a call about a carjacking. police said that they thought he was armed and that they were in fear of their lives. chatman's family maintained he was unarmed and pushed for the release of the videoing saying it would prove he was unarmed. joining me, ari melber, msnbc chief legal correspondent. you've been watching tapes. walk us through what we've seen today. >> we have the brand-new third video that has not aired yet. we're going to show it in its entirety, in its context. upper left corner where the action is. it's hard to make out but what you're going to see an officer coming down the street in the upper left corner. you see right there, what we believe to be cedric chapman running and then drops to the ground.
we do know, as a matter of fact, that he was killed there. but, as you can see from the newly released raw video, city of chicago fought for years resisting its release, here today for the first time, we have it. if you're watching this at home for the first time, what you see is it doesn't show that much. we want to show what we've done. i've been in the newsroom. here it is, blown up with spot checks. this the zoomed in part where it happens. left screen there circle, where we see an officer coming. there, we pause it, you can see two individuals, this is the first time we've seen this, appear to be two people there in the one circle and on the left, we see another officer advancing. now we'll continue showing you this analysis. as it comes here, we see them moving. hard to make out. that there is cedric, we believe sed trick chapman, 17, shot dead, under the aunting in that spot check, what we call it, in front of white door, the other spot check, the other lightened
area where we see an officer. what we're learning here from this new video out for the first time is what happened in those critical moments zoomed in. now to the next piece of video. this is short. you see hem dropping down. that's what we believe is chapman. see the extra figuring towards the circle on the right. this is the third person. this is the first time in any video we've been able to identify the third person what happen does it mean? chapman was moving, there were two people moving, encroaching on him, appear to be two officers, and we'll continue at the end. we don't confirm who they are, we only know that from other documents. you can see the officer advancing with his gun drawn on left side and moving away. moving away toward another car. again, this is all video that we have reconstructed from that original video i just showed. this video has been altered to try to show what we've learned
here, kate, three individuals and chapman dropping to the ground. >> you've zoomed in, just to be clear, zoomed in on what we saw originally and highlighted some areas. >> one more time without interruption, so people can see it. >> i'm watching this like a viewer would be, i haven't seen this before, and it's hard to make out. it hard to tell what exactly's happening here. >> it is. >> you see a person who must be cedric chapman running. do we know who the second character in the right hand bubble, if you will, is? do we know which officer that is? >> great question. we cannot confirm from the video which officer is which. what we have heard from our reporting is that the officer that you see most clearly, who advances and right now is over by the left bubble going into the car, we have understood from reporting is that that officer was not the one who fired the shots that ultimately killed cedric chapman, it was the other officer. legally what do we get out of the video? legally, what parties are debating -- and there's a
wrongful death suit and a question on the officers -- from what we've learned here, was cedric chapman posing the threat that justified force or essentially fleeing in a manner, running away from what he thought, as we in the video, officers advancing on him, running away in a mat that suggests he was fleeing rather than attacking. >> joseph jacqueline, retired nypd detective and professor at john j. college. what do you see? >> that video opens up a lot of questions about the police reports and everything else. it appears that he doesn't turn around, that he is fleeing -- >> chapman? >> fleeing from the police. doesn't look like he had a chance to turn around at that point, he just turned the corner, and then you see him drop to the floor right then and there. therein lies the problem. that's the reason this has been held so long. when we see it in that respect
we can say, you this is a terrible incident. >> interesting the difference between last hour and this hour. now we have this different angle. >> the legal question, the last freeze frame, what was happening in that moment? was he turning and posing a threat or, as people study the video, being shot down as he fled. >> thank you. turn now to the democratic race for president, where hillary clinton and bernie sanders are trading campaign barbs over health care. take a listen. >> we have a difference on health care. i want to bill on the affordable care act. he's introduced legislation nine times and laid out a specific plan to take everybody's health care and roll it into a great big bundle and hand it to the states. but my view is, we shouldn't be ripping up obamacare and starting over. >> now she's attacking me because i support universal health care. in 2008 she was attacking obama
because obama was attacking her because she supported universal health care. i would hope that secretary clinton will tell the american people, does she support universal health care. >> new bloomberg politics des moines register poll out shows clinton leading sanders by two points in iowa, that's within margin of error. joining me now senior adviser to hillary clinton's campaign, karen finney. >> good to see you. >> we spent a lot of time together in 2008. >> yes. >> we had former south carolina democratic party chairman in, you know him. >> yes. >> we had him on a few minutes ago. i want to play a clip because he was pretty blunt what he makes of hillary clinton's campaign. >> hillary needs to stop focus grouping every syllable and say what she believes. this idea we're going to get into an argument single payer system, what is it your for right now? >> so he admitted, also, that he's a biden fan.
>> yes. >> and he wishes joe biden would have won for president. but he raises she's focus grouping every syllable, spending too much time parsing her language. >> i find that an odd thing to say. unfortunate, given that hillary clinton is known for having been working on health care -- remember the '90s, this is the woman who fought it out ultimately we were not successful but she did go back to the table and helped get the c.h.i.p. program passed which now covers children. the slogan, health care that's always there. someone who has been the fighting for health care reform. she is for all of her career, this is something that she feels very strongly about. this is not focused group. this is -- there are real difference is between where she is on this issue and where bernie sanders is on this issue. not over universal health care but we've put forward a plan and saying how we're going to pay for. but we're not seeing that. >> we hadn't been hearing that level of detill until recently,
when polls started showing bernie sanders creeping up on her. >> that's actually not true. she's talked about it over the summer and into the fall, talked about reducing oust pocket costs for prescription drugs, drug reimportation, how to pay for those things. the difference that i see -- it interesting that bernie sanders is now on the attack -- he's the one who promised that he was going to put out a health care plan before the iowa caucuses. he said it several times. and then, come to find out just this week his -- one of has campaign people says, no, sorry, we're not going to do it. we think people deserve to know, how are you going to pay for this plan before they go to caucus. >> he does have a new ad out, drawing attention. sharp contrast
that he's trying to make between himself and hillary clinton. take a listen. >> there are two democratic visions for regulating wall street. one says it's okay to take millions for big banks and then tell them what to do. my plan, break up the big banks,
close the tax loopholes, and make them pay their fair share. >> is hillary clinton too cozy with wall street? that's a suggestion. >> no, absolutely. and remember that she's the one who has put out -- and this is paul krugman and others, economists alike --
have said her plan is more comprehensive. those is another area of difference. hillary looking at shadow banking and looking at systemic risk and bernie sanders is kind of a one-trick pony. he's talking about glass-steagall and breaking up big banks. but what happens? he doesn't tell us how he's going to do that. not to mention glass-steagall will not deal with the systemic risk that she's talking about. so i would say she's put forward a comprehensive plan. it's a tough plan. but again, i find it interesting, i mean call it a contrast ad. that contrast was any sharper it might cut you. >> i think i said sharp. >> it was pretty darn sharp. i would say we're surprised to see this attack from bernie sanders because this is another thing he said, he said that he
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the centers for disease control could issue a travel warning as soon as tomorrow, urging pregnant women not to travel to certain areas of the caribbean, centraling south america. it all because of this virus, it's trans mitted by mosquitoes believed to be behind thousands of babies born with severe deformities. tom costello, what do we know? >> reporter: heartbreaking. we'll show you pictures of the babies born in brazil with a condition, they have very small heads and they are almost always born as well with some sort of brain damage, and they simply don't live very long. the numbers here are staggering. as many as 3,500 babies are thought to have been born with this condition. in just the last year or so in brazil. but throughout that region.
as you know, this is a poor region and it's caused, they believe, by the virus carried but a mosquito. a short time ago i talked to dr. anthony fauci here in washington. >> it's a situation where, as the days and weeks go by, there are more and more infections, and according to the brazilian authorities, they expect that the peak of the mosquito biting season isn't even here yet. it's some time later on in early spring, at least our springtime, in april. >> so, the risk here is really not to adults. if an adult is bitten by a mosquito with the virus, the vast majority of us get a rash and maybe a fever and maybe a little bit of a headache but it's over quickly. the concern is for pregnant women and that virus apparently has the terrible effect on the unborn child. so the cdc now close, we are
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so set the tone for all of our forum today. >> this idea, this theme, inclusiveness, what are some of the challenges but also opportunities of empowering underserved communities? >> the way to do it is really to develop financial literacy, you know, in underserved communities and have young people -- it's what creates jobs today. allowing and helping young people in underserved community to first understand basic financials and, secondly, eventually helping them become a entrepreneur will help close the gap. >> excellent. here we are in atlanta. an amazing few days with thought leaders and policymakers trying to make a change, empower, embolden underserved communities.
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