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hey, jebediah, how's it going? working the land. hoping for a fertile spring. all right. so we have to live with lower customer satisfaction? i'm afraid so. now go churn us some butter, boy, and then make your own clothes. yes, sir. (vo) don't be a settler. get rid of cable and upgrade to directv. call 1-800-directv. right now on msnbc, that showdown in the south. the republican candidates for president go at it in the first debate of the new year. >> you know, i think most people know exactly what new york values are. >> new york is a great place. it's got a great people, loving people. wonderful people. >> governor christie has endorsed many of the ideas
barack obama has endorsed. >> when you get to be senator, you talk and talk and talk so much nobody can keep up with what you're saying or whether it's accurate or not. >> we don't have to have everyone come to our country but all muslims, seriously? >> you used to say you support doubling of green cards. now you're against it. >> at least half of the things marco said are flat out false. >> i'm very happy to get a question this early on. wi us going to ask you to wake me up when the time came. >> there's a big question mark on your head and you can't do that to the party. >> since september, the constitution hasn't changed. , but the poll numbers have. >> good friday morning. i'm jose diaz-balart and as donald trump said, the bromance is other. let's get to peter alexander along with kasie hunt and steve
kornacki. good morning to all. peter, last night seemed to be cruz versus trump versus most everybody else. >> reporter: yeah. i think we're obviously seeing a top tier emerge. this is a donald trump/ted cruz run right now. we heard from donald trump himself saying i guess the bromance is over between these two men. what we witnessed last night is that donald trump has really improved as a debater. one really good example of that is the exchange we'll show right now over that criticism from ted cruz about new york values. >> everyone understands that the values in new york city are socially liberal or proabortion or pro-gay marriage focused the social media. >> when the world trade center came down, i saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully or more
humanely than new york. [ applause ] >> two 110-story buildings come crashing down. i saw them come crashing down. thousands of people killed. and the cleanup started the next day. we rebuilt downtown manhattan and everybody in world watched and everybody in the world loved new york and new yorkers, and i have to tell you, that was a very insulting statement that ted made. >> reporter: i think most analysts agree that was don alleged trump's best moment of any of the debates so far. it demonstrates how he is conquering the republican party, the fact that you have jeb bush over at the side of the stage as he continues to see numbers drop, basically asking donald trump to reconsider his
position. and marco rubio trying to look more fierce and feisty in his lines as well, trying to capture that mantle of anger that donald trump has won over. casey and jose? >> why is their relationship breaking down at this moment of the campaign? >> reporter: jose, it's because donald trump said it on stage. he was asked, you know, why are you doing this, and he went out and said, well, ted's doing better in the polls than he was before and that's why i'm going after him. the reality is ted has managed to one candidate at a time kind of land these very devastating attacks, and while some observers might say cruz did a good job of standing up to trump in the beginning when he talked about his canadian citizenship, the reality is trump still seems to come out on top of that.
and so i think when you have two emerging people at the top of the polls, it's simply inevitable that this is the road we're going to go down. >> kasie, lindsey graham is expected to go forward and support jeb bush. >> reporter: he agrees the republican party should be able to win by new parties that include the emergency coalition in the united states including immigrants and hispanics. it ee something he ran on in 2014. it was very important to him. he really wants to make an impact on this race and attempts to try and help somebody in this establishment lane get going, have an opportunity to take on trump. i will say i think hopes are diminishing. i don't know that that's even possibility. but graham has considerable sway
in his home state of south carolina. if bush can remain in the pack, he has a shot of winning here. people close to senator graham say that he doesn't think that chris christie, for example, could win in south carolina. and he wasn't ready go in for marco rubio that some say graham considers a possible winner here in his home state. but rubio, of course, was all a co-author of that gang of eight immigration bill that lynn city graham has poured so much energy into. rubio is seen a too green at this point to run for presidency or hold the presidency. that's what went into some of the thinking in graham's decision. >> steve, let me ask you. what caught your eye last night? >> it's interesting. i guess 20 minutes into the debate when the question of cruz's birth status came up. i thought cruz was at his
strongest, trump at his weakest. i thought, wow, somebody's finally found a way to go toe to toe with donald trump on the republican stage but the back-and-forth that played, the new york values, i thought trump got the better of that. also later in the debate, cruz and rubio were at each other's thoughts. beyond that i would agree with that media con senn says that was sort of out there that it was a really good night for trump and the only thing that gives me pause about saying that, jose, is there's a media con secensus that it was a good night. whenever there's a media consensus about donald trump, it's usually been wrong. >> steve, the morning after the debate, where does it stand in terms of polling? >> we came out with our brand-new nbc news/wall street journal poll on the republican side.
i think i can show you. here we go. here it is. donald trump. this is a national poll. donald trump leading. there's a significant jump there for trump. his lead was single digits the last time we did this poll. now it's up to 13. rubio slid off a little bit. ben carson, we didn't talk too much about him. he didn't make up much of the presence in that debate. there he is. he's still drawing in the low double digits and christie and bush. would you support them or is there no circumstance. take a look at the trump number here, 6 57. basically two-thirds of republicans say, yeah, i could potentially support him to be our nom fee for president. 407 saying no. when this all started early last year, the question about donald
trump, the numbers who say they could potentially support them, 23%. jose, he has tripled that number over the course of the last nine months and there he is right now. by those numbers, as good a shot as anyone. >> i appreciate your time. you've now seen in our polls, jeb bush is down six points. in just a couple of weeks. last night he hammered away on trump's comment to ban all muslims from coming into the united states. >> this policy is a policy that makes it impossible to built "bild" the coalition necessary to take out isis. the kurds are our strongest allies. they're muslim. you're not going to even allow them to come to our country? the other arab countries have a role to play. we can't be the police. have to do this in unison with the arab world. >> here with me now in our miami
studio studios, tim miller. thank you for being with us. i appreciate it. first lynn city graham announ announcing his support for jeb bush in about 40 minutes. >> graham is one of the most effective and respected voices. he was look for somebody who was ready to do the job on day one, ready to be commander in chief, rebuild the mill tai, detailed real plan to deal with isis and jeb laid that out before the paris and san bernardino attacks. that's something that drew him to our campaign. the other thing is bush is a conservati conservative. he's been consistent conservative since the time he's run from florida.
he decides ghot with rubio and go with bush. >> i think he pointed out there were these two back bench senators, marco rubio and ted cruz and who flip flops first. the reality is both of these guys held positions that were convenient at the time plitt lick i and now they're trying to hold different positions in today's time. i think lynn city has liked the fact that he stood strong. >> what do you think of the fact of the super pac dropping boat loads of money in new hampshire for bush and his campaigning that it seems as though there's still no traction. he's dropped. we saw the polls in the last couple of weeks. >> the national polls are different that what happen you're seeing in the earlier
stages. >> there's basically a four-way tie. in north carolina rubio and he are neck and neck. these are the folks paying closer attention to the race. the result from those primaries have an impact on these national numbers. >> what are you looking for in new hampshire? how important is it to come in second? how bad would it be to come in third and if he comes in after third? >> it's hard to determine that. in the new hampshire primaries, half of the voters decide in the final week. that's a real number if you look at the past two primaries. a lot of this is based on the pundits and talk. it doesn't do much good three weeks out. i think what's important is jeb focuses on his message, a guy ready to take out icy, proven
conservative, ready to do the job on day one mtd we'll see him. >> back to the question, how strong does he have to come in in order to continue this race? >> look. we have do well. very to go on to super tuesday and march 15th. that's something we said from the start of this. there's no kind of rudy giuliani strategy where you wait and do well 20 primaries down the road. you have to do it early. what that means is it's determining by the political environment at the time. >> thanks for being with us. >> thank you. moments ago on msnbc's "morning joe," hillary clinton stepped up her criticism of rival bernie sanders who has now come up with it. >> he has given us the details how much it will be and how much it will cost.
i think e it's fair to look at the nine bills he's intro dusd while in koej. basically he wants to start all over again, which i i don't agree with, especially the republicans trying to repeat the gains we've made. so i think we have a legitimate substantive difference and it's in that part of the campaign where we need some spirited debate about our differences because people are going to start making up their minds. >> let me bring in jonathan capehart. jonathan, a great seeing you. >> a great to see you, jose. >> can you explain what's going on between clinton and sanders? >> it's called a political campaign. anyone who thought this was going to be the yore nation of hillary clinton as the next president, they were dreaming. if anyone on her team, most
importantly her, thought it would be a cake walk and automatically win the primary was always dreaming. what we're seeing is people are starting to focus on the campaign, focus on the kaepts, focus on what they're saying, and because the polls are narrowing to the -- deend depends on which you looj at. he's up in new hampshire. he's almost the favorite son coming from the next-door state. what hillary clinton is doing -- what they're both doing is trying to draw contrast between the two of them. they agree on a lot of things. there might be shades of interest depending on the issue. hnlts is trying to open up and put daylight between herself and senator sanders. when there's major daylight between the two of them that she's been trying to exploit in
the lakt we're or sew is on gun control. >> all right. i think, jonathan, if you and i had been having this discussion eight months ago, there are very few people who would have told you that bernie sanders was within striking range of hillary clinton in the first few states bhanld that means for the future. i think a lot of people were going to be completely -- you know, they were dreaming. they thought this wasn't a coronation. >> secretary clinton comes into this campaign as a formidable candidate. of the three, she's run before. let's not forget. >> well, what's happening?
>> they're focusing on the debate. now people are starting to focus and pay attention to what they're saying. the other thing is i was not one of those people who was automatically thinking that she was going to have an easy time. remember, secretary clinton when she was still new york senator running for president in 2008 lost iowa and everyone was writing her political obituary after that, and she roared back and won new hampshire. i think the ghost of caucuses past is sort of the talked about -- unseen presence within the clinton campaign both in the campaign headquarters in brooklyn and certainly all the people in iowa who are trying to make sure that the secretary does not have a repeat of 2008. >> jonathan capehart thank you for being with me, appreciate it. >> thank you. good to see you. coming up tonight lester
holt will moderate the next presidential debate. it's 9:00 p.m. eastern on nbc. we have breaking news from kauai. what's the latest? >> two marines during a nighttime mission off the lienld overnight have collided in midair. now coast guard helicopters responded almost immediately and reported seeing a burning debris field in the water along with one empty life raft. but after hours of searching, there are still apparently no sign of any survivors. there were 12 marines on these two helicopters when they collided in midair.
while that search continues they're hamperedpy not only the darkness but the high seas, jose. >> thank you very much. after the brineak, sean pen talks about his meeting. what he says about his regret. a cup whole has one of the three powerball winning tickets. they're coming forward only on the "today" show. what they had to say when they found out they were one of the three winners. >> plummeting. look at that. 360-plus down. more on that in a moment. ♪ why fit in when you were born to stand out.
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is breaking his silence about his meeting with drug lord joaquin "el chapo" guzman. penn is now reacting to mexican authorities who say knowledge of his trip helped them recapture el chapo. here's penn on "cbs thm morning." >> we know that the mexican government, they were clearly very humiliated by the notion that someone found him before they did. well, nobody found him before they did. we're not smarter than the dea or the mexican intelligence. had a contact upon which we were able to facilitate an invitation. >> do you believe that the mek can government released the in part because they wanted to see you blamed and to put you at risk? >> yes. >> jacob rascon is in mexico
city. penn also says he has a terrible regret. >> he does. if you thought he was in it for the big thrill, he would say you're wrong. >> i thought this is somebody who -- upon whose interview could i begin a conversation about the policy of the war on drugs. that was my simple idea. >> you wanted to have a conversation about the policy of a war on drugs. >> that's right. we're going to put all our focus -- forget about blame. we're going to put all our focus, all our energy, all of our billions of dollars on the bad guy. >> he goes on the to say he has terrible regret. he said the entire discussion about the article ignored its purpose. my article failed. let me be clear.
my article failed. he went in thinking he's going to get a big interview, shift the policy on the war on drugs, and it just didn't happen. >> sean penn forget is the person who went to see a person who ee responsible for the death of thousands of people. forget what drugs do to people. we're talking about an organization that has killed thousands of innocent people, people who have been tortured and mutilated, families who have been destroyed. but that, of course, is easy to forget. hey, you spoke to mexican commissioner there. what did they tell you? >> they heroes not . >> he's not just in charge of that be mu but said he was put in months after the july escape to fix the prison system and all of the upgrades make him confident that what happened in july will not happen again. he talks about motion sensors in
the floor. four times as many electronic surveillance as before. 24-hour guards outside el chapo and other high-priority prisoners. now, they're moving cells constantly. that and many other changes make him confident it won't happen again. take a listen. >> that is the commissioner eduardo guerrero talking about chel powe's health. he went ba the commissioner said he's being fed three time as day, has had many health checkups, and he's just fine. he's not in isolation.
he's able to meet with his attorneys and others so he did say no family members had requested to meet him and that el chapo hadn't authorized any either. so he hasn't been visited by anyone other than his attorneys. jose? >> jacob rascon. thank you very much. take a look at the rough ride on wall street. look at futures sharply low. we're going have that live for you and talk about what's behind all that. next. chicken, and accents of vegetables and apples.
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open so the s&p and dow once again heading into correction territory. a lot of disappointing data out this morning including retail sales numbers showing that retareta retail sales actually fell. we also had a disappointment around industrials. utilities aren't seeing as much business. all in all, once again the focus on china. off 3.5% today. concern that the world's second largest economy is slowing and oil, they dipped below $30 a barrel. the lowest it's been since 2004. >> olivia, why is it so low? that's a really low number? >> sort of the perfect storm for oil right now. there's a supply side story, demand side story. demand is lower because people are worried that china in particular is slowing. on the supply side in the u.s. we have doubled production in
the u.s. abroad, opec countries have cut production to try to drive the price higher. in large part that's because they're hoping to flush out the u.s. shale producers. so far it hasn't worked yet, although there are concerns. finally any day now iran could come back on the market with its supplies, flooding the market even further. we're just waiting for them to get the rubber stamp from the iea. jose? >> olivia, there are news from walmart. >> yeah, news out that they're going to close 269 stores globally. that's in the u.s. and around the world. in the u.s. they're going close 154 locations including 102 locations called walmart express. that is their smallest format store. this is part of a strategic review that has been put under
way. walmart's so big this is less than 1% of their global retail footprint. so walmart closing 269 stores in the u.s. and around the world, laying off thousands of people here in the u.s. but, again, they employ more than a million, so it's less than 1% of their work force. jose? >> olivia, thank you. i've got to tell you the dow was down 200-plus points. now 341 in a couple of minutes. >> not a lot of reasons to buy. >> we'll keep looking. time now for more headlines. the federal judge in chicago showing a video ordering a police shooting and killing cedric chatman. it showed chatman running from police. the officer said he thought catman had a gun and feared for his life. no weapon was found on the scene. the use of deadly force was
income price with chicago police policy and statutes. chatman's family is filing a lawful death lawsuit. the governor in michigan is now seeking federal aid for flint residents affected by a polluted water supply. it began in april of 2014 when this city in a cost-cutting move stopped getting its water from detroit and got it from the much saltier river that may have corroded the pipes. now to indonesia where investigators are hunting terrorist cells believed to be behind yesterday's attack. two civilians and five ataerks died in a bomb blast in a busy commercial district. isis has claimed responsibility and police have named an indonesian militant in syria as the mastermind. it is unclear if they're
connected. a rare winter hurricane is taking aim in the azores today. they're a group of islands about 800 miles west of portugal. hurricane alex currently a category 1. winds up to around 100 miles an hour. the last one, 1938 in january. we now believe we know who's holding at least one of the winning powerball tickets. ice john and lisa robinson from mumford, tennessee. the couple hasn't even gone to lottery officials to confirm the winning ticket but their lawyer encouraged them to go to the "today" show. the moment they realized they had all the winning numbers. >> i wrote it down because i had others to look at. i thought, aisle write them down. i wrote it down, got to looking, saw it, looked again, they're the same, looked again, and the third time i went running down
the hallway, don, don, you've got to check numbers. i startled him because he was asleep on the down. >> what did you think when you first woke up. >> she said, check these numbers. i looked at them and said, yeah, it looks like they're the numbers. i checked them actually four times and i said, well, i'll believe it when the news comes on in the morning, and they say, hey, there's a winner been in mumford. >> they say they want to stay in their hometown of mumford, tennessee. as to what they're going to do in lisa's words, sallie mae is paid off meaning her daughter's student loan. could it come to the united states? more on that next. but first live pictures from the international space station where tim peake is now the first
british astronaut to carry out the spacewalk. he's working with astronaut tim kopra to fix this. can you figure out what you're seeing? i'm trying to. it is going on right now. first british at as trow naught to space walk. we'll keep you on this and be right back. i'm here at my house, on thanksgiving day and
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>> we call it a close cousin to the same. it is one of those that has made their way from more tropical regions into the western hemispheres and the americas and can cause illness as we're now seeing. >> so it's a distant cousin of zika? >> dengue. dengue and zika are more closely related. but chikungunya is one we thought wasn't seen on our continent but is now seen in the united states. this is interesting about zika. generally speaking it's considered a pretty benign illnesses. there are some cases of devastating neuropsychological side effects but most will see no symptoms. a fever, red eye, joint pain, and rash.
but the problem we're seeing or the concern here and the conjecture is there's been a rise in the number of cases in brazil and concord antly there's been an immense 20-fold increase of this thing called microchip micro sefly or brain damage. that's been a cause for concern for public health officials there and is reaching us so to speak as migration of the mosquitos and potential infections is coming north from south america into the lower north american area. >> so, doctor, i mean this is what's scary. there are a lot of scary things about it. you can get it and not know you have it, right? >> that, actually, jose, is an excellent point because the actual incidence of this is probably widely underestimated.
as i mentioned, a significant majority of people don't know they have it and the way it's transmitted to other people is if a mosquito bielts someone and then goes on to bite other people, that's how it can be transmitted. just in terms of a point of factual information, we have not yet seen an infection in the continental united states that was -- that was birthed in the 50 states. the one case in texas was a case that was imported from travel abroad. the one case that has concerned us now over the last couple of days is the case that came in puerto rico in someone who had not traveled. so we are seeing, again, this sort of migration of mosquitos and infection closer to the united states but we don't have it here yet. >> dr. natalie azar, thank you very much. >> absolutely, jose. nice to see you. staill ahead, the birther issue heats up last night.
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entire life defending the constitution before the supreme court and i'll tell you, i'm not going to be taking legal vice from donald trump. >> the texas attorney has done that, filing a lawsuit, asking the court to clarify the term "natural born citizen." >> ari, good to see you. >> nice to be here. >> a lawsuit has been filed and many more may follow. what are the next steps? >> this one filed in federal district court in texas for the court to hear it and say, a, does this defendant have the ability to bring it and, c door they want to have the expedited calendar with voting coming up in the coming weeks. jose, it warmed my heart as chief legal correspondent when in the debate donald trump said, hey, this isn't court tv.
let's get back to politics. it's a mix of court and politics. this is not taken that seriously in legal circles that would be something that would bar him from running or being president. it's true when donald trump and others have repeat thad this exact question has not been resolved by the federal courts let alone the supreme court, so in that sense, because it is rare and an arcane sentence, it's accurate to say, we don't know for certain. whether voters want to factor that in as an issue is up to the voters. so -- >> so. >> go ahead. >> what's the difference -- they talked about it last night. the difference reality of cruz being born in canada to an american mother and john mccain being born in the panama canal
zone and he was able to run for president? >> legally they would say there isn't that big of a difference. they would say how do you define a natural born citizen. the courts haven't done it all . ari, thanks. good seeing you. >> you got it. and republican senator lindsey graham expected to endorse jeb bush for president. the former presidential candidate himself is about to speak live from his home state in north charleston. also, the site of last night's gop debate, let's go to kasie hunt live at the event. kasie. >> reporter: jose, good morning. we are here waiting for lindsey graham to come in with jeb bush, where we're expecting graham to endorse him. this had been somewhat expected after lindsey graham dropped out of this race. we were expecting that he would make up his mind this week about who he was going to support, and the thinking goes that marco rubio and jeb bush were the two people who could potentially win the south carolina primary who might be acceptable for senator graham. he, of course, is pretty interested in seeing someone in the establishment lane be able to break out of this race.
that, of course, has been pretty difficult, made tougher by what we saw on the debate stage last night with trump and cruz being the clear top tier on that stage and the rest sort of fighting for second, third, fourth, even fifth place. so, this is a chance for senator graham to be able to make a difference in his home state. there are a lot of -- there's a lot of goodwill for the bush name still in south carolina. george w. bush, obviously, winning here in 2000 when he went on to beat john mccain after mccain lost in that 2000 primary. so, at this stage, it's not totally clear exactly how senator graham could help bush win here. it's possible that the forces of the insurgent candidates are going to be so intense that there's no way to overcome it. but senator graham is hoping he can at least make a difference. and one issue, jose, that i know you've obviously talked a lot about is immigration. and senator graham worked very hard on that gang of eight immigration bill that provided a path to citizenship. that's something marco rubio has, of course, repudiated as
he's run for president. that hasn't sat very well with senator graham. jose. >> kasie, stay with me while i bring in steve kornacki. a lot of people are saying, well, what's the importance of senator graham endorsing bush or anybody else he was unable to get out of single digits, wasn't able to clear, though, i guess the 2% mark ever. why is this important? >> well, i think it's potentially important with a couple of catches maybe attached to it. one is, look, south carolina, basically, you've got to get through iowa and new hampshire before we can start talking about south carolina. it looms as an important test, but one of the sort of tests of viability for candidates heading down to south carolina is you have to show something, generally, in iowa or new hampshire. otherwise, in those later states, whether it's south carolina, whether it's florida or whether it's anything that comes after those initial two, it's tough to be a fully credible candidate if you can't perform in iowa, you can't perform in new hampshire. so, jeb bush maybe with an endorsement from lindsey graham here sets himself up to
potentially benefit from it, if, if he can break through in new hampshire, because that's really the state that the bush people are focusing on right now. it's not really iowa, it's new hampshire. and the issue in new hampshire, we've been talking about this so much, is jeb bush is there at about 10%, 12%, chris christie's there at about 10%, 12%, marco rubio, john kasich, all of them who are competing for, roughly speaking, the same voters, the same sort of establishment-friendly voters -- there's a fair number of them on the republican side in new hampshire. all of them right now are getting about the same share of those voters. and what it's doing is it's keeping them all sort of in the middle or the back of the pack. they're letting donald trump lead new hampshire by a healthy margin. so, the question is, can any of them rise up, stand out in new hampshire and get some kind of credibility boost by winning or doing, you know, surprisingly well, being seen as winning new hampshire, the way bill clinton once was seen as winning new hampshire, even though he came in in second place. and the problem here you're seeing with, take lindsey graham's endorsement today as an example, is there have been so
many mixed signals or nonsignals coming out of the republican establishment. you see lindsey graham as sort of a member of the republican establishment. the republican establishment has not sent clear signals to voters in terms of, like, hey, they don't want donald trump, they don't want ted cruz, well, lining all all behind jeb bush or all behind marco rubio or chris christie or whoever, we haven't seen that kind of movement. so, here's graham making a move towards bush's camp while chris christie's viable in new hampshire and marco rubio's continuing to get endorsements. as long as it's spread out like that, the biggest beneficiary might continue to be donald trump. >> interesting. and kasie, back to you. you know, if you look at the policy positions, for example, of bush, vis-a-vis, for example, marco rubio, on foreign policy, very similar, on the economy, very similar. is the main difference between the two of them, for graham, the issue of immigration? >> i think immigration is
definitely a big part of it, jose, but i think experience is probably the thing that senator graham and those close to him would say is the biggest difference between marco rubio and jeb bush. i mean, lindsey graham has had a working relationship with rubio in the senate, but the reality is, rubio really hasn't been there very long and jeb bush has had a long, experienced career, and he, of course, while he was a governor, and governors don't typically, obviously, get very much foreign policy experience, aside from running their state's national guard, bush obviously had the chance to watch his brother and his father deal with foreign policy challenges, and he'll talk about how he has a unique window into dealing with national security issues. i think also the message that bush has brought as far as needing a serious commander in chief in these serious times and that his anti-donald trump message is another thing that's probably helped him out here in the ways that senator graham cares particularly about national security. and bush has also been very aggressive in laying out specific policy proposals. now, of course, those kinds of rollouts haven't gotten that
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>> i'm not bringing a suit, i promise, but the democrats are going to bring a lawsuit. >> i'm not going to be taking legal advice from donald trump. >> you don't have to. >> these attack ads are going to be a part of life. everybody just needs to get used to it. >> tuesday night, i watched story time with barack obama. and i've got to tell you, it sounded like everything in the world was going amazing. >> i think most people know exactly what new york values are. >> that was a very insulting statement that ted made. >> is this america anymore? >> if that's the case, we're going to win every state, if bernie sanders is the nominee. that's not even an issue. >> wherever you are sitting, nikki, i am a friend. we're friends. that's good. >> when you're a senator, what you get to do is just talk and talk and talk. >> if she gets elected, her first 100 days, instead of setting an agenda, she might be going back and forth between the white house and the courthouse. also this morning, we've got interviews with donald trump, hillary clinton, and a former candidate who is now endorsing jeb bush. as a matter of fact, south carolina senator lindsey graham
is expected to announce his support of jeb bush any second now. we've got this covered. let's go to our political team. chris jansing is in iowa, katy tur in south carolina, steve kornacki in new york. katy, let me start with you. the bromance between cruz and trump, it's over? >> reporter: definitely over. i spoke to donald trump last night, and he said that he didn't think that ted cruz's attacks on him for new york values were going to play well because he thought they were offensive to millions of new yorkers, 20 million people, to be exact. and i think he may have a point with that. the headlines out today are not friendly to ted cruz. the "new york daily news" saying "drop dead ted." now governor andrew cuomo has come out against ted cruz, saying that he doesn't think that the senator is doing a good job and that he doesn't think the senator is going to play well, especially in the new york area. i want to play you a little bit of that moment from last night, because it is one that everybody is talking about.
take a listen. >> everyone understands that the values in new york city are socially liberal, are pro abortion, pro gay marriage, focused around the money and the media. >> when the world trade center came down, i saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully, more humanly than new york. you had two 100 -- [ applause ] you had two 110-story buildings come crashing down. i saw them come down. thousands of people killed. and the cleanup started the next day. we rebuilt downtown manhattan, and everybody in the world watched and everybody in the world loved new york and loved new yorkers. and i have to tell you, that was a very insulting statement that ted made. >> reporter: and i think the reason that that is playing so
well is it is donald trump at his most authentic in a way that speaking about new york in a way that not many others have in the past, not touting his own record there, but explaining his experience there. i know lindsey graham is about to take the podium to talk about his endorsement of jeb bush. i want to throw it back to you, jose, so you can take it away. >> katy, thank you very much. and let's absolutely go to south carolina, where senator lindsey graham is about to be introduced. we are told that he is about to announce his endorsement for, there you see him, former florida governor jeb bush. he is there along with lindsey graham. let's listen in. >> -- with no escape and no options and where zip code is destiny. based not on rhetoric, not on promises, but past performance, i know that governor bush will lead our education establishment. now, lots of people have continues on national defense, but not all opinions are equally well informed by experience and
knowledge. as a retired paratrooper, ranger and general and the pentagon's former chief of war plans, i can tell you that no candidate has a plan for success in the middle east -- >> as we await the arrival now of senator lindsey graham, who will, in turn, announce his support for former florida governor jeb bush, i want to bring in steve kornacki. steve, this is important, especially, i guess, in south carolina, even though in south carolina, when lindsey graham was running in these primaries, he was getting beaten in the polls in his own state by donald trump. >> yeah, it's interesting. south carolina is a unique species, i guess, on the republican side for a generation now. basically, it's been the first in the south primary. you go through iowa, you go through new hampshire, and then the next big contest to come after that is south carolina. and historically, south carolina, the primary there ended up being very decisive. back in 2000, for instance, you had george w. bush win in iowa
big, then john mccain trounced bush in new hampshire. they came down to south carolina, south carolina kind of settled the score. >> steve, let's go to senator graham. >> -- who defend us against radical islam and other threats. the only way you can become commander in chief in america is for the american people to pick you through voting. i tried to run a campaign that centered on how to defend america against multiple threats, how to rebuild a military that's in decline, how to re-establish our presence in the world that's so desperately needed, how to create a sense of respect and fear in our enemies and among our friends a reassurance. i fell short. i'm proud of the effort. now i am a citizen having to
cast my vote as to who i want to be commander in chief for that 1% fighting for us. i have concluded without any hesitation, without any doubt that jeb bush is ready on day one to be a commander in chief worthy of the sacrifices of the 1% who have been fighting this war. last night, he said "i will have their backs." i believe he will. last night he explained in the best possible terms why we need partners to win a war that we can't afford to lose. to those of you who worry about going it alone, you don't have to worry about jeb, because he understands that america can't go it alone. but of all others running for president, i think he has the ability to bring the world on board. mr. trump doubled down on the idea that we as a nation should
ban every muslim in the world, at least temporarily, from coming to our great country. i can't think of a worse idea in terms of how to fight and win this war. many of the people running for president are eerily silent on this issue. last night, i heard from jeb bush the right answer, that we need to vet and make sure that those who come from war-torn regions are properly vetted so they don't infiltrate our country to do harm, but we cannot and should not declare war on a religion, because when you do, you make it almost impossible to form the partnerships that are so desperately needed to protect our country. what jeb bush understands i think better than anyone else is
that this is a religious war, and the only way to win this war is to partner with people in the faith to destroy a common enemy. last night he did not talk the most, but he made the most sense. last night he demonstrated somebody who in my view is ready on day one to be commander in chief and a temperament that the next commander in chief needs to possess, someone who's thought f ful, quietly resolved to protect america's interests and capable of reaching out to the world at large to reset a world that is very much in danger. it is not enough to criticize barack obama. you have to have an alternative to leading from behind, and jeb bush has that alternative. his plan to defeat isil is the
most comprehensive and well thought out of anyone on both sides of the aisle. and finally, when it comes to speaking up and speaking out about emotional issues like immigration, the thing i admire most about jeb, and he stayed true to who he is, that he hasn't tried to get ahead in a contested primary by embracing demagoguery. he's not running to be commander in chief by running people down. he's trying to create the ability to grow our party that desperately needs to grow. here's what i am convinced of more than anything else, that jeb bush as president of the united states will put the country ahead of the party, that he was a governor of a very diverse state that brought people together. america's a very diverse country desperately in need of
leadership to bring us together. as to south carolina, we have a reputation of picking the most conservative person who can win. i think jeb by any reasonable definition is a fiscal and social conservative, and above all others, he has conservatism when it comes to national security, conservatism when it comes to national security is building a strong military, second to none, and using it smartly, forming alliances that will make us safe over here. jeb has come to conclude as i have -- you have two chances in fighting this war -- fight it over there smartly or fight it in our backyard. i've spent most of my adult life in the military. it's been one of the things i'm most proud of. i know those who are fighting this war.
i've walked in their shoes. i've spent time trying to learn their world. i would not endorse someone that i did not believe in that would really, truly have their backs. so, ladies and gentlemen, south carolina is going to reset this race. on february 20th, we're going to give jeb bush the momentum that he needs and deserves to win the nominati nomination. and to the republican party, jeb bush is going to be a nominee that can win an election that is a party we can't afford to lose . to the nation, he will be the president that can reset the world, bring us together and solve hard problems. above all else, this is a good man who is comfortable in his own skin and who understands truly what makes america great. it is our diversity, not who we hate, but what we love.
the next president of the united states, jeb bush. [ applause ] >> thank you. wow. thank you, sir. thank you. lindsey, thank you so much. general, to my friends and supporters, i'll be very brief. first, lindsey graham's a patriot. he loves this country. you just heard it, how he spoke from his heart about what's at stake here. what's at stake is our way of life. the very founding of our country based on freedom and human liberty is what's at stake. the president in the state of the union address talked about the threat of islamic terrorism in the way that he typically does, which is the strongman argument. in this case, he made the case, something, well, this is not a threat because they can't invade us. that's a total misreading of what this threat is about. radical islamic terrorism is a threat to our freedom. they see our freedom as our
weakness. and when people are struggling to make ends meet, as they are today, the majority of americans are living paycheck to paycheck, the majority of americans have less than $1,000 of savings, 63% of americans can't afford a $500 car repair. in this kind of environment, to attack our freedom would be devastating for our economy, and i think he totally misreads the dangers here. and as senator graham said, the way that we win this fight, win this war, is to win it there and to make sure that the homeland is safe. lindsey graham's an extraordinary person. we've been friends for a long while. i admire the fact that as a senator he used his job to forge solutions to problems, rather than to try to tear things down. and i've learned now at the age of 62 that one of the valuable lessons in life is to know what you don't know. it's a huge advantage,
particularly in the ego-laden political world where everybody feels like they've already got it all figured out. well, the world's too complex for any one person to figure out everything. and here's the kind of guy lindsey graham has been. i have sought out his advice, even though we were both competitors for the republican nomination for the presidency, and he gave it. he's consistently done so, because he's not doing this for his own ego. he ran because he wanted the voice of a strong national defense and the role of america in the world, the leadership role to be heard. and while he may not have been successful in terms of electoral politics, you were successful in that regard, and i am honored to be your student in many ways in that regard. so, i just appreciate the fact that you're involved, and i will continue to seek out your advice. one final point. south carolina is going to be a really important primary. it all seems to be that way.
the table is set by iowa and new hampshire and the direction of campaigns are set here in south carolina. and here's my pledge. i will campaign with heart and conviction about the need for a strong national defense to rebuild homeland security, and equally important, to make sure that when veterans after serving in the military, that the contract is fulfilled for them. one of the lessons i have had is to seek the best advice from the veterans community, disproportionately, by the way, from south carolina, where y'all have provided me a lot of advice. we were the first campaign to lay out a detailed plan to reform the department of veterans affairs. and i pledge to you all that we will make sure that that is the first priority. it is to me disgraceful, it is absolutely disgraceful that even today, with all the scandals that only three people have been fired with the scandalous behavior of having waiting lists be dropped without veterans
getting care and people dying. it is a scandal. but yet, three people have been fired. the congress has worked to give the department the freedom to be able to have much more leeway in firing people, but yet, they haven't embraced it. the procurement systems, the health care systems, the inability for veterans to have choices outside of the veterans health care system, all of that has to change dramatically, and i pledge to you all and to the people of south carolina, not only will i be a candidate that will advocate, continue to advocate a rebuilding of our military, strengthening of our intelligence capabilities, diplomatically in terms of foreign policy having an america that leads the world so that we can create peace and security, but back home, the first priority will be to reform health care services for veterans that deserve it more than anybody else that should be receiving government benefits. with that, lindsey, thank you again for your support. general, thank you for your
leadership, not just in the military but education as well. it was a blast being on the stage last night in south carolina. just a quick note. i didn't realize i was doing it, but i made reference to the state that i really appreciate a whole lot i think six times last night. i may have mentioned you. i mentioned governor haley, boeing, which does make planes, by the way, that are sold in china here. i don't know if mr. trump on his way out saw the planes that had the painted, you know, the airlines from china. the citadel, and emanuel a.m.e. this is an extraordinary city and state with great leaders, and i'm blessed to be a candidate that will campaign really hard here in south carolina. happy to answer any questions. >> governor -- >> get back up here. >> oh, okay. >> about endorsements, to pick up senator graham's -- >> senator lindsey graham from south carolina holding a news
i am totally blind. i lost my sight in afghanistan. if you're totally blind, you may also be struggling with non-24. calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com. fresh from last night's fireworks, donald trump sat down with the crew of "morning joe" at java joe's in des moines, iowa. he touched on everything from iran and the economy to his political prospects, starting with iowa, its caucuses just over two weeks away. >> i think we're doing great in iowa. cnn has us up 33-20 in their last poll, and i think we're doing great in iowa. you know, i would love to win iowa. we have a great relationship with the people of iowa, and i would love to win it, i will tell you. i know it would be nice to say, hey, i just want to do well. i think we can win iowa and we're going to try very hard. >> sir, talk about the debate
last night. most people that haven't been your supporters in the past, even john pedoritz said that basically, you wiped everybody else out, you were the dominant figure last night. how do you feel about the debate? how do you think it went last night? and are you still willing to say that ted cruz is a nice guy like you have in the past after last night? >> i don't know about being a nice guy, i'm not sure, because he came at me last night. it was inappropriate, and i hit him very hard, but i mean, i had no idea that he was going to take it that way. if he's got a problem, he's got to straighten out the problem. in fact, i think he had a couple of suits filed against him running, which is exactly what i've been saying. so, i don't know that he's a nice guy. i think he hurt himself last night. he's a good debater, but is very strident and a lot of people won't like that. he's a very strident kind of a guy, and i thought it was inappropriate. the grudge and time and all of the different online polls had me winning the debate by a lot, so i immediately look at that. i want to see, how did i do? i check the online polls. and they have 200,000, 300,000
people calling in. they have a lot of people. i believe in those polls. but i won every one of them, so i'm happy about that. but i thought that ted did not have a good night last night, and i thought his hit on new york was disgraceful, frankly. and i guess a lot of people are saying that now from what i hear. >> yeah. >> but i thought, because i haven't been to sleep yet, okay? you know, i came in from great south carolina to great iowa -- we have some great places -- so, i just got off the plane, but a lot of people are hitting him for what he said about new york. i thought it was terrible. and you know you have offended about 20 million people. that's a lot of people. >> well, not only that, willie, but obviously, as we said on the anniversary of september 11th, america really put their arms around new york after 9/11, and understand it's on the front line of the terror fight in the country. >> yeah, and i think when a lot of people hear new york values, they don't think about hedge fund billionaires, they think about the men and women who run into those buildings and the men and women who rebuilt those
buildings, so -- >> when you think about it, willie, think about the fireman that were running up the stairs that came in from queens and they're coming through the tunnel and they're going 100 miles an hour and they're coming in, and they go up to try and save people, and they know that building's got a big chance of coming down by that time. >> they know they're going up and not coming down. >> and the policemen and all of these guys are going up and all of the medical care and they're running up this building. and a lot of people are saying, those suckers are coming down. so i mean, this was an amazing thing, and i thought it was a terrible thing for him to hit -- >> so, given your concerns about ted cruz's eligibility, given your kind of strained relationship with him, would you consider him to be your vice president? he is a very popular guy. he's doing well in some polls, not as well as you are, but he's popular with a pocket of the republican voters. would you consider him to be your vice president? >> well, he's not doing well in new hampshire and he's not doing particularly well in south carolina, and he's not doing that well nationally. what really bothered me last night was when he -- he really lied, because he said well, you know, i've done well in the polls, blah, blah, blah. he hasn't done well in the
polls. the poll that came out before the debate was nbc/"wall street journal," and the headline was trump goes way up and cruz goes way down. so for him to lie -- >> so, you wouldn't want him as your vice president? >> i don't even want to think about that. i'd like to win first and think about that later. >> well, willie, he may not even be qualified. here's the nbc/"wall street journal" poll that shows donald trump at 33%, up six percentage points. we've been having a lot of fun this week. ted cruz down two points at 20%, rubio at 13%. we've had a lot of fun this week saying several times how we pity you and you should drop out of the race, of course, mocking what people have been saying for the past six months, that your ceiling is only 10, your ceiling's only 15, only 20. we've seen it in realtime, your ceiling's only 25%. now we're seeing a lot of polls where you're up in the 40s. are you starting to notice the republican establishment and some of the guys that have been hammering you in the past starting to change how they
treat you and how they look at your candidacy? >> well, totally. and establishment people -- i don't know if this is good, this could be the curse, okay? but establishment people are now calling us and saying, how do we get involved with the campaign? people that were saying terrible things like three months ago and -- >> welcome to politics. >> it's called welcome to the world of politics. it's like, how quickly we forget. >> we have this "ap" report about more talks about a brokered convention. >> i don't see it. honestly, i don't see a breck brokered -- i think they talk because it's exciting having a brokered -- i don't think that's going to happen. >> so, let me ask you about iran and about the capture of the ten soldiers. the video that was released. obviously, a lot of that -- >> called humiliation. that's what it was called. >> okay, but can i just press you on this? i tried it with joe yesterday. isn't the fact that they are free and coming home a sign that that deal had an impact? >> no. >> can you concede -- >> no. >> why? >> because they're smart people. the persians are great negotiators. they wanted $150 billion -- >> do you think if that deal wasn't in place, those soldiers
would be home? >> no, they wouldn't be home. and the only reason they are home is because we owe them $150 billion that was due in three days, and they're smart people. $150 billion. and by the way, nobody ever mentions this -- what about the other four prisoners that they have there? >> i don't disagree -- >> how about them? we've totally forgotten about the minister, the reporter from the "washington post." what about the four people that are there right now? nobody ever mentions that. >> that should have been a part of it. >> i'm going to take it from another angle, because mika and i strongly disagree on this. i think the deal was a disgrace, i think the president showed extraordinary weakness, and i think what happened yesterday and what's happened over the past month shows the iranians are just bad people. their leaders are bad people. so, my question is this, why do you go along with that deal? because you've said -- >> me? it's part of the theme of my -- i talk about how incompetent this leadership is that we have -- >> no, what i'm saying, though, is you had said in an earlier debate that if you're elected
president, if it's a deal, you've got to respect that deal. can't you figure out a way to tear it up? >> well, here's the problem and here's what i mean about that -- i will do things to that deal. i make a living on taking up and buying bad contracts and making them as good as you can make them, okay? but the problem with me going in to be -- the $150 billion is again. >> it's already gone. >> that's the problem. >> so, our leverage is gone. >> the money's gone. if the money was there, i'd break it 100%. i would have broke it, frankly, if i were president now, i would break it on the way they treated us with our young sailors. i saw the picture. mika, say what you want -- they're sitting on their knees in a begging position with their hands up and guns at the back of their head, and we're supposed to say they treated us nicely? i would have broken it on that basis. i would have said, you don't get your $150 billion. >> and then they force our men to do hostage videos. willie? >> yeah, so, donald, there are people inside the republican party who are now considering the very real possibility that you'll be the nominee, but there are some who have concerns about
whether you can win a general election. they watch mitt romney, what happened with latino voters, with african-american voters, and the argument is that it's about things you have said about illegal immigration, about muslims, that you're going to -- >> all true. all true, whether you like it or not. >> well that you'll offend some of those voters, and for a republican to win a general election, they need those voters desperately, the ones they haven't had over the last few cycles. what do you say to ease the minds of those kinds of republicans who are having trouble thinking about voting for you because they don't think you can win the general? >> first of all, polls have come out over the last week where i have beaten hillary easily. you've seen that. but forget that, because i think that's not even right. i'm going to win states they never thought of winning. i think i have a chance of winning new york state, as an example. and a poll came down last week, you saw that, where i just -- one of the best locations i have in the whole country is new york state, which is almost 50% of new york. i mean, can you imagine if we have won new york? nobody thinks about that when they think about the polls. plus, we'll win west virginia
big, virginia, places that nobody else is going to win. we're going to win new jersey, we're going to win pennsylvania, we're going to win florida, we're going to win ohio. we're going to win places that a lot of people aren't going to win. and the other thing is, and i guess cnbc did this, we're going to have the largest turnout in the history of this country, voter turnout in the history of the country. and most of those new people that have never voted before because they never -- are going to be voting for trump because they're tired of being run and led by stupid people. >> mr. trump, the unemployment rate in iowa is roughly about 4%, and the unemployment rate nationally is pretty decent when you look at it, but wage growth here in iowa and across the country has not caught up, apparently, to the rise in the economy for a lot of people. for most people, wage growth has remained stagnant. so, if you believe wage growth is stagnant, if you believe wage growth ought to be an important element of the economy, how do you go about linking up the two? >> well, first of all, the median income, which people don't even talk about, was
higher ten years ago than it is now, okay? so, when you think about it. second of all, the numbers, when you hear the 5%, the 4%, the 6%, any number you hear, it's meaningless, because people look for a job, they can't find a job, they give up, and now they are statistically, they're considered employed. it's a phony number. it's a number that was meant for politicians to make them look good. but when you say 5.2% in this country, there's no way. and frankly, if there was, if it was really that number, i wouldn't have 35,000 people coming to rallies. believe me, they would not be coming. they wouldn't have to come. >> but it's not just jobless coming to the rallies, it's wages. they have been flat for years. >> and you know what else, it's also the quality of the job. i don't know if you saw the last report. the jauquality of the jobs is unbelievably low, unbelievably bad. and the other thing is the part-time jobs. people have part-time jobs now. people that had full-time jobs now have part-time jobs. >> how do we change that? >> we have bring our manufacturing back. right now, china has it. by the way, mexico is doing a
number on us, it's unbelievable. and i do great with the hispanics. i love the hispanics. i employ thousands of hispanics right now, tens of thousands over the years. mexicans, they're great. they're great people. i deal with them in so many different capacities. the country's great. the leaders of mexico are so much more smarter and cunning. cunning is an important word. you know that word very well, but they're more cunning than our leaders and they're taking advantage. >> how? >> people, companies are moving to mexico -- nabisco just left -- they're leaving chicago. they're moving their big plant to mexico. ford is building a $2.5 billion plant in mexico. everybody's going to mexico. we're losing so much. the quality of our jobs are not good. >> i want to bring it back to wages, though, because isn't that part of the problem? and what would you do to try and infuse some energy into the wages that the american people are taking home? it's not enough. on minimum wage, you can't even support a family. >> well, it's all about the jobs. we have to bring jobs back. we have to bring our manufacturing back.
you look at the kind of jobs we have. that last job report, if you look at it, it sounds good on the outside, but on the inside, they actually say the jobs are not good jobs. they're not high-quality jobs. >> so, how do we -- what policies do we implement to bring those jobs back here? >> for one thing, you know what we need also in this country? we need spirit. this country doesn't have spirit. we need a cheerleader. [ cheers and applause ] it doesn't have spirit. i mean, you look, people love the country, but they don't have a cheerleader. and i thought, one thing with obama, i thought he'd be a great cheerleader. i really -- i never thought he was going to be a good president, to be honest. i thought he would be a good cheerleader, which is important. he's a divider. he's not a cheerleader, he's a divider. and if you're african-american, which i think i'm going to do fantastically with the african-american vote. there was one poll that said 25%, and if i get 25%, the election's over. but if you're african-american, you're doing horribly. you're doing horribly. african-american youth is doing worse than it's ever done, essentially. >> i want to bring in nbc senior political editor mark murray and
katy tur from north charleston, south carolina. msnbc white house correspondent chris jansing in urbandale, iowa, at a rally there. we're getting ready for a trump rally. we also have msnbc political correspondent steve kornacki in new york. thank you all for being with me. and katy, let's talk about, because there's so much to talk about, this interview with donald trump. he is very clearly feeling that he can win the general election. he kind of takes it for granted that he's going to win the primaries. >> reporter: that's part of his strategy, though, to paint a picture of inevitability, to say that he can do this. his poll numbers are great with all different subsets of people in this country. even if they're not, he's telling people they are to convince them that he will be a general election candidate that can take it all of the way. it's also part of the reason why he keeps bringing up ted cruz's canadian birth, because he wants to sew the seed of doubt in voters' minds that he will have problems if he goes up to face
hillary clinton or bernie sanders. what i think is really interesting, though, about last night and today and all of the headlines is that donald trump is really owning this new york values thing. what he's doing is he's coming off last night more of a statesman, defending new york, defending the people that went into the towers and how this country -- how that city rebuilt after that attack. it's very interesting because it sort of wipes clean -- or he's trying whip clean, or some people just wiped clean everything he's done in the last seven months and how controversial he's been, how divisive he's been, how many people he's alienated. remember, this is the same man who's banned or wants to ban an entire religion of people from coming into this country, yet, he's the one that's coming out and sounding more statesmanlike on stage next to ted cruz. it's really brilliant maneuvering on donald trump's part, and it speaks to part of the reason why he is so appealing to voters. he's able to read a room. he's able to read circumstances, a situation and act accordingly.
>> and katy, and i want mark and steve to stand by -- i want to go to kasie hunt, who is in north charleston, south carolina, with senator graham. >> reporter: jose, thank you. senator graham, explain to us a little bit. you had some tough words for senator rubio, said he's not ready to be president yet at 44. >> what i said is that i think he'll be president of the united states one day. he's one of the most articulate people i've ever met. i like marco. he's been very good on national security. i can just say at 44, i wasn't ready to be president. at the end of the day in 2016, i think jeb bush has the package we need. he was the governor of a diverse state and a diverse nation. he has not wilted under the pressure of immigration. he's stuck to the ideas you've got to be comprehensive, you've got to include democrats to get a package solved. and of all the people, about how to defeat isil, he's come up with the plan that i like the most, and i think he's got a quiet resolve to him that will be good for the country that our allies will appreciate a jeb
bush. he explained last night better than anybody why banning all muslims makes us less safe and how you can't go down that road and protect america because we need allies. that's the kind of leadership i'm looking for. >> reporter: some of bush's allies are up on the air with an ad attacking marco rubio for flip-flopping on immigration. do you think that just helps ted cruz at the end of the day? >> all i can say is that i'm looking for somebody who can get us over the line on immigration. president w. bush had a good idea. i supported him. i thought president 43 really worked well with the congress to get us in a good spot in the senate. we've got to get it through the house. i see in jeb the ability to bring us together. i think of all the people we could present to the country that could help us in the hispanic community, it's jeb bush. >> reporter: do you think that the establishment of your party is on its way to losing? do you think the face of the republican party's going to fundamentally change this year? >> i think south carolina's going to reset this race. somebody asked me about experience. people are gravitating to
candidates without experience. so, i can tell you, there's one area that you'd better have some experience. if you're in the military getting your ass shot off, the rest of us deserve to pick a commander in chief for those people who has experience. jeb understands the need for alliances. there's not one place in the mideast he can't go that he's not respected. he understands the folly of banning all muslims. it actually helps the enemy and undercuts our ability to put alliances together, from my point of view. and take it for what it's worth. national security's the most important issue of this race. those who are fighting this war, the 1% deserve somebody with experience and temperament. i think what jeb has is he's ready, he understands how to win the war, and more than anything else, he's got the temperament i think it's going to take for the next commander in chief to work through difficult problems. what i like most about him, he's comfortable in his own skin. >> reporter: final question, quick answer -- do you think john kasich or chris christie could win south carolina? >> i think it would be difficult. i think chris christie is d a great job last night.
i admire john kasich. i'm not picking jeb bush because of the flaws of others. i'm picking jeb bush because i think he could be a nominee that could win the election, but more importantly than that, he can pull us together as a country. in florida, a diverse state, he governed well. when it comes to understanding america and what makes us great, i think he's articulated better than mr. trump. what makes us great is the attitude that jeb expresses about who we are as a nation, that you don't ban an entire religion, you try to make sure you defeat the enemy, and the only way to defeat the enemy is partnerships. >> reporter: thank you very much for your time, senator. we appreciate it. >> thanks. >> reporter: there you have it, jose, senator graham endorsing jeb bush today and giving his case for why he thinks he's the one in this establishment lane who he can get behind. >> kasie hunt with that live interview. thank you very much. i want to go to steve kornacki. steve, you just heard senator graham talking about why he chose jeb bush, for example, over marco rubio, a man he worked with as a gang of eight
for immigration reform. what'd you see in this interview? >> well, i thought he said something interesting there, and it's something he was saying in the press conference in a theme that jeb bush was also picking up on, the idea, they're saying there, that south carolina is going to reset this race. that's an interesting thing because you've got south carolina basically coming up third in the order. iowa leads this thing off and jeb bush, and frankly, all of the establishment candidates look pretty much buried out there right now. maybe marco rubio could do better than expected, but that's a cruz/trump race in iowa. then new hampshire, the establishment candidates have a better chance there. the problem is, there's four of them -- rubio and kasich and bush and christie. they're all bunched together, and the result of that bunching is that donald trump is leading by 15, 20 points in every poll you take in new hampshire. and so, now it's interesting when kasie hunt said, basically, is this out of control for the establishment now? can they even get this race? lindsey graham pointed to south carolina. he said, south carolina, that's where we're going to turn this thing around. there are two problems here, though, that i see, if that's the logic here for graham and for bush.
number one is this -- and graham said this in that press conference -- he said that south carolina has a history of picking the most conservative candidate who has a chance to win the general election. he says that's the history, that's his logic for going with bush. here's the problem -- that was the history in south carolina. that's how it used to work in south carolina. the republican establishment, the big names in the state -- strom thurmond, carol campbell -- he was the governor at the time -- they lined up with reagan in 1990, dole, george w. bush. they wired the state, they won the state it was decisive. something happened in south carolina in the obama era. and in 2012, the last competitive primary, republican primary in south carolina, newt gingrich won that state. he didn't just win that state, he crushed mitt romney in that state. that was one of mitt romney, the establishment candidate, one of his worst states. it was 41%-26%. south carolina really is the epicenter, one of the epicenters in this country for the tea party backlash against barack obama, but also against the
republican establishment. so, relying on south carolina to play the role that lindsey graham is talking about there that it has played historically, i don't know that that works in 2016 anymore. >> yeah, steve, and i'm also wondering, and i had tim miller from the bush campaign on earlier in this program, that it's almost as though you're moving now the goal post. it's almost as though -- and miller, we're saying, well, we're not doing a giuliani-type strategy of waiting until florida, for example. but on the other hand, it seems as though so much focus on south carolina is to say let's not focus that much on new hampshire where we have, you know, put in a boatload of money and where we have fought like heck, and yet, not a lot of movement there. >> reporter: and that's something i'm wondering about, too, the idea of moving the goal post. they say they're not pulling a giuliani. giuliani is chronically knocked for putting it all on florida. they say why would you wait that long? what a terrible decision. we have to remember, the reason why that was the strategy for
the giuliani campaign in 2008 is they pretty much had to concede iowa, then they had to concede new hampshire. >> right. >> then they had to concede south carolina. so, they were left by saying we already had to concede these states. we're left with only florida. the bush people are still putting an all-out effort in new hampshire, so they haven't reached the point giuliani has yet. but if the idea is starting to be put out there by the bush campaign that iowa's gone, new hampshire, maybe we'll try to get third place there, then jump-start this in south carolina, that may be their strategy. hey, maybe it will work, but lear's what we know from history -- in the modern era of the republican party, the republican party nominating process, no one, no one has won the republican presidential nomination without putting a win on the board in either iowa or either new hampshire. you get credibility, you get momentum, you get money, you get news coverage by winning one of those states. and by losing in both of those states, you lose all of that. >> yeah, right. and mark, you asked the question on nbc's "first read," has donald trump conquered the
republican party? has he? >> reporter: yeah, jose, you can build a strong case that he has without any votes being taken place right now. just look at our new nbc/"wall street journal" poll that came out yesterday, showed that 65% of republican primary voters said they could see themselves supporting donald trump. only 23% said that in march, so a huge swing in the last ten months as this race has gone on. but i think another reason that you can end up saying that donald trump has started to conquer this race, at least in tone and command, is last night's debate. just look at how jeb bush treated him on the temporary muslim ban, where jeb bush was reduced to saying i would hope you would reconsider. that's language we often don't hear in a republican debate. you normally hear an attack, not someone just to kindly reconsider. and also, it was donald trump's best debate performance, by far this cycle. he has grown as a candidate. he still has a lot of imperfections. there are a lot of holes in his policy. there are a lot of stuff that he's often making up on the campaign trail. but right now, and again, he might not be the republican nominee, but he is in firm command of this race.
>> mark, your thoughts on what we were talking with steve about, which is trump seeming -- i mean, bush seeming to say, yeah, new hampshire's important, but boy, south carolina, that's where it's all at. we're seeing a shift there in what he sees as the possibilities of where he could turn out in new hampshire. >> reporter: yeah, as steve was pointing out, that policy in theory about a race seems sound on paper, but once you end up getting the results in iowa, once you get the results in new hampshire, the race is totally changed. and if i'm the jeb bush campaign, what really worries me is marco rubio. and while bush might be holding out for his performance in south carolina, if rubio's ahead of him in south carolina or new hampshire, he'll be placed in a top or a more solid position than jeb bush. and i think that's the real big danger of waiting out to south carolina. and as steve also mentioned, south carolina is going to this place where the establishment would always end up winning, that it's the decider of the race. that was all thrown out when newt gingrich won the contest four years ago.
you might say that was due to some of mitt romney's flaws in south. still, that has to give people pause that this is really the firewall to be able to win a republican presidential nomination. >> thank you, mark. by the way, katy, you look great on this conversation. i want to come back to you in a second, but i want to go quickly to chris jansing. chris, what are we hearing from the trump campaign with iowa and new hampshire just around the corner? >> reporter: they think that they won the debate last night. i talked briefly to donald trump this morning as he was heading into "morning joe." he hadn't slept, as you heard from him, all night. but look, this is not where anybody expected them to be. just let's take here in iowa, where this is tailor-made for tread cruz, right? i mean, last time, of the republican caucusgoers, 56% of them were christian evangelicals. so, his probably most popular surrogate is his dad, who's a minister. this should be his audience, and that trump has gotten so close really makes him almost taste it. you could tell talking to him
this morning that he really felt that this was a possibility for him. so, the whole thing has been sort of thrown on its head. i saw him in aottumwa last weekend where the crowd was enormous. not even half of them could fit into the venue that they had. they stud in subzero windchills to get in. many of them were these folks who have never been to a caucus before. and i talked to them coming out. they're very passionate about it, but when you ask them, are they going to go to the caucus, they say yes. but do they know where it is? no. do they know what's involved in being in a caucus? no. a lot of these are people who have never been in the process before. now, i think there's a strong argument to be made, if you're willing to stand outside for an hour and a half with a windchill of zero or below, there's a chance you might come out and caucus, but that really is the great unknown. he's breaking every rule. when he went to ottumwa, he had not even been in this state for 11 days. i think he's 12th in terms of number of visits in a state that
has always been considered a place where you have to do that retail politics. but they are feeling much more confident about iowa, frankly, than they would have at any other point in the campaign, jose. >> and now katy tur in that interview that we saw with "morning joe," donald trump says that he's looking at polls that say he could pull in up to 25% of the african-american vote and that he's doing great with the hispanics. where does he base -- what does he base that on? >> reporter: frankly, i'm not sure. we ask him where he sees these polls and his answer is google it most of the time. so, i'm not sure what polls he's talking about. i know the latino vote poll that he mentioned earlier on, that he could still essentially be referring to, was a nevada poll taken by a local tv station there that was not a poll that is recognized by nbc news to be one that is high standing. i know mark murray will agree with that. but i don't think donald trump needs these numbers to be out there and needs the news media to be talking about him, because he is saying it over and over
again. and when reporters like me or anchors have tried to press him on this, he dodges the question and he ducks it and he weaves and he does it in a masterful way and moves on to the next subject, so his supporters out there are able to just pick and choose what they want to believe from donald trump. and when he says he's going to do great with one community, they actually believe it. i've asked people at his rallies, do you think he's going to win the latino vote? and they say with a straight face, yes, i do think so. i said what about these poll numbers that say he's not doing well with latinos? and they say, you're wrong about those poll numbers, and they like the idea of a wall as well. >> google it. katy tur, mark murray, chris jansing and steve kornacki, thank you all very much for being with me. and coming up, sunday night, nbc's lester holt will be moderating the next democratic presidential debate. it's at 9:00 p.m. eastern on nbc. breaking news after a quick, short break. a look at what's going on on wall street. take a look at the numbers, down 327 points. we'll be right back.
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breaking news from hawaii. the pentagon says two marine corps helicopters have collided off the coast. let's get right to jim miklaszewski at the pentagon. jim, good morning. >> reporter: jose, search-and-rescue efforts continue off the northern coast of owaaoahu, where two u.s. stan helicopters collided midair in exercises overnight. coast guard rescue and search teams who arrived on the scene reported seeing a burning debris field on top of the water and one empty lifeboat, but no sign of survivors. and we're being told that any search-and-rescue efforts are being seriously hampered by 12-foot-high seas in the waters there off of oahu. jim miklaszewski, thank you. and now from wall street, stocks down and down sharply. olivia sterns is here with that story. olivia, what's going on there? >> jose, there's red everywhere. the market was down as much as
400 points earlier, so we're off session lows, but it is still a blood bath. the dow and the s&p, those two big benchmarks basically near correction territory, meaning they are off 10% or more from their most recent peak. i mean, it's incredible the selling we're seeing out there. huge moves. the yield on the ten-year bond fell below 2%, the first time it's done that in three years. as you know, yields move inversely with prices, so what's happening is investors are scared, they're selling their stocks and they're putting their money into the safety of u.s. treasuries. there are two things really driving markets right now, and that's chinese stocks and the price of oil, and both of them are falling. so, overnight we saw the chinese benchmark, the shanghai composite actually fall into bear territory, which means it fell 20% or more from its recent peak, so that caused a lot of jitters. then today, again, oil below $30 a barrel, so it's down 5% alone today. >> wow. >> oil down 20% since the start of 2016. and it's january 15th. so, both of these things are stoking a lot of question.
plus, take the fact that it is friday before a holiday weekend. a lot of traders out there just nervous, want to get their money off the table in case there's actually more selling in asia over the weekend and they wake up to an even uglier tuesday morning. jose? >> olivia, then quickly, there is news out of walmart that's not good, too. >> no, it's not good news, but it is kind of to be expected because walmart had announced that they were in the middle of sort of a strategic review of their portfolio of stores, which is more than 11,000 globally. so, the news today is that walmart is going to close 269 stores here in the u.s. and abroad. in the u.s., it's going to be about 150 stores. two-thirds of those stores will be walmart express. that is their very smallest format store. they are going to lay off several thousand people. they say they will try to get those employees jobs in other walmart stores. but again, this is less than 1% of the workforce, and walmart's still going to open more than 100 stores in the u.s. this year. >> olivia sterns, thank you very much. and that wraps up this hour of "msnbc live." thank you for the privilege of
good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall. we start this morning with breaking news out of hawaii, where an active search and rescue is under way right now after two marine helicopters collided midair off the coast of oahu. the chopper had 12 people on board. let's get to nbc chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. what do we know about this search and rescue at this hour? >> reporter: u.s. military officials say they were two u.s. marine sea stallion helicopters in a nighttime training mission over open waters, a little before midnight local time when they apparently collided in midair. coast guard search-and-rescue helicopters were launched up almost immediately when the marines on the ground lost any contact with the helicopters in the air. when those coast guard helicopters arrived, they observed a burning debris field in the water and one empty
lifeboat. but so far, there have been no signs of any survivors. unclear as to exactly how it could have happened, but u.s. military officials say there was obviously a midair collision. it was one of those instantaneo instantaneous, catastrophic events where the crews didn't even have time to radio back to their base. the search continues, but they are being hampered by 12-foot-high winter seas there off the coast of hawaii, tamron. >> as we know, we're working to get more details, but it is incredible, as you pointed out, that this was so catastrophic, so fast, that the crew did not have time to radio and that this emergency search and rescue was launched almost immediately, but so far, no one's been found. >> reporter: that's right. i mean, by all accounts, it appears those two helicopters collided and immediately went down, and the search for survivors continues. >> a