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is it too late for republican republicans to oust donald trump? and good morning, i'm richard lui, thanks for getting up on this saturday morning. here's a new report warning that time may be running out for the republican party to find a candidate able to beat donald trump or ted cruz. as hillary clinton and bernie sanders trade blows over health reform and guns. and wall street, wild ride last week, the dow plunging another 400 points. what's driving that and how worried might we be? plus the breaking news overnight of a terror i attack in west africa, militants with
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ties to al qaeda target a hotel popular with westerners. and a new lawsuit that's blaming twitter for an attack by isis militants. all that and much, much more straegt ahead. donald trump, ted cruz, mike huckabee will address crowds there today. joaning us now from myrtle beach is casey hunt and a busy day ahead there, hey, case write? >> reporter: richard, good morning. that's right, donald trump and ted cruz are still at each other's throat this is morning, ted cruz has been going after trump for what he calls new york values that he says won't line up with ae iowa conservatives. trump's hitting back, but he's changing up his style a little bit, trading in those some of these big rallies for traditional retail politicking.
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trump is still leading in the polls. making his first ever stop at a classic iowa pizza chain, and showing his human side, comforting a family with a child who died of a heroin overdose. >> that's tough, i know what you're going through, your son is proud of you. >> reporter: and trump shows no sympathy for his chief rival ted cruz. >> cruz didn't tell federal election officials about the loan from goldman-sachs and citibank to fund his election campaign. polls show cruz and trump behind -- in new hampshire, marco rubio appealing to gun owners. >> i scored a rifle, so that's awesome. hitting chris christie as a liberal. >> and there are republicans
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running that are not supporters of the second amendment. >> reporter: and in south carolina, senator lindsay graham taking sides, endorsing jeb bush. these a candidates are trying to keep hope alive even as many in the establishment -- whether trump could forgive an establishment that's trying to the find someone, anyone who could beat him. >> i love people to treat me fairly. >> reporter: and so far so good? >> so far so good. >> reporter: some are starting to wonder if trump could basically waltz to the nomination if he wins in iowa. and he seems to be trying harder than ever e, he flew overnight to iowa for a rally, he's in new hampshire this morning and back to south carolina for that gop debate.
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thursday's republican debate aga demonstrated if nothing else -- >> back in september, my friend donald said he had his lawyers look at this from every which way and there was nothing to this birther issue. now -- since september, the constitution hasn't changed. but the poll numbers have. >> this isn't me saying it, i don't care. i think i'm going to win fair and square and i have to win this way. thank you. lawyers tried and numerous from harvard said that there is a serious question as to whether or not ted can do this. >> why are you raising this issue now? >> because now he's doing a little bit better. i i didn't care. no, it's true. he never had a chance, now he's doing better, he's got probably a 4% or 5% chance. >> and there are new concerns this morning that the time for
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an establishment candidate to emerge and challenge trump or cruz, that's just running out. phillip rucker and robert costa of "the washington post" saying there's a growing acceptance that trump and cruz are likely to become the party's nominee. on the more conservative right wing of the party, there is anger with south carolina governor nikki haley for calling out trump and cruz in the republican response. as some members are calling for the party to rally against trump. >> you always hear the argument, well this is what people are thinking, so if this is what people are thinking in this party, as far as i'm concerned, we're going in the wrong direction. as a party, we owe it to ourselves to speak out and not have the tail bag the dog and not have somebody say, if you
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don't play my game, then i'm running as an independent. >> let's bring in our panel, former george w. bush administration official, and msnbc political analyst and washington bureau chief. thanks for being here this morning. so where do you want to start with this? we were just finishing they had a meeting on thursday and they're looking at the rules and some of the rules they put in for the last cycle, they were worried about ron paul at the time, are now going to be applicable for donald trump. >> i said for months this is going to come down to a delegate fight. this is going to drag on much like it did in 2012, you're going to have a lot more characters on stage. the key time for to the republican party, if they don't want donald trump as -- donald
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trump could win iowa, he could win this new hampshire, and then another set of big primaries on february 8. if they want to turn this around, that is when they need to do it e. >> we heard this report saying no establishment candidate is really going to bubble up, we're really going to look at trump and cruz right now. >> there's been great reporting too that some of the donors, that means the billionaires that want to have influence are saying, well, how do we get to trump now? maybe you're supporting jeb bush and others are looking for open money that they hope from to the republican administration. so there is some sort of frustration there that for some of these guys, it's not about ideology, it's about having someone they can talk to or work with in the white house. but the other thing about waiting until the last two weeks, elections move very quickly now, and we have these, what, eight, nine, ten, elections on march 1st.
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a lot of these campaigns are nowhere near ready to deal with that on the ground. so the guys who lead, if cruz gets a bump, if trump wins, people are going to follow them. so any republican alternative to that, if the they're not already set up, even if rubio comes in third, look how great rubio is, does he have a gain in any of those states? >> florida. >> and do the governors, who are they syncing up with when you talk about the nonestablishment candidates because that's going to be key to what you're talking about. >> having worked on these campaigns, it's up in the air right now, there hasn't been a single vote cast. as i said, is money interests, to the party elders, they can wring their hands, they can try to affect the outcome, but in the end, the voters, first in iowa, then in new hampshire then in south carolina are going to make these determinations state by state. it's going to be a dogfight, there's going to be several candidates that are going to
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come and go. but in the end, the beautiful thing about it is the voters are going to edecide. they might try to push things on the edges. >> or caucusgoers. >> and the voters are really enjoying this on the outside, ted cruz and donald trump really at each other and that question is still perm yatding, how long can they stay a single party? >> if you're looking at the divide between the outside candidates or the blimestablish candidates, politics, particularly presidential politics is about how people feel and the bond they feel particularly in the early states for to the candidates and none of the establishment candidates have tapped into the emotional experiences of the voters, and on the republican side, that experience primarily is one of anger and resent ament. donald trump says i wear the mantle of anger proudly in response to what nikki haley said about him and to the
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republican party which i think has encouraged a lot of anger against obama and washington to get where they are, has institutionally lost control of the forces it helped create. >> and republicans are going to say that's just one part of our party that's lost. and peggy noonan saying i don't like it. >> there are folks that are cranky about what's happening in washington, d.c., running against washington, d.c. is one of the oldest plays in the book. that's how reagan got there, but in the end you'll see the party will come together around a nom thee. >> they're now running against muslims. it's not just washington. >> the a tactics, is what you're saying? >> not just the tactics, calling for a ban on all muslims in there country is an historic event and it's put the republican party in this
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dilemma. because bush's best moment in the debate was addressing that when he said it was bad. but by and large, a lot of people in the republican party are not paying attention to what this really means. >> people like speaker ryan came out right away to condemn that. >> but he still said he would support trump if he gets the nomination. >> the republican party is going to have to make a decision if donald trump is the nominee, sometime in early december about how much they're going to stand behind this guy, he e's not going to stop, he's going to continue to say stuff like this. >> it was another historic moment nikki haley in response to the state of the union, he said no, this is not what we want for the party, but that just re-enforces the line that we're talking about here, doesn't it? >> it's going to be fractious, it's going to be -- i think again we should be a little bit careful to preclude who's going to be our nominee come convention time. >> from the entire week?
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>> when we talk about the republican party, so much has happened. >> i actually think this thursday night's debate was one of the most interesting debates, i think we saw some substance that we haven't seen in a while on the debate stage, i thought it was really interesting to see donald trump talk about economic things, like the corporate tax, we haven't seen him do that in a while. he was the character playing donald trump on stage as much as he was in the other debate. it was interesting to see that side of him. and as casey pointed out in her segment, i think we're seeing a transitional moment for trump. >> and the rumble in the jungle has started and it's only the againing, is it not? >> cruz is trying to collapse with fame and people that got angry would turn to cruz. what we see in all politics, as you get closer to election day or caucus day and if things are
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tight, people get desperate, they get freaked out and they start attacking, they become like crabs in a big crab pot, clawing over each other to try to get to the top. >> the breaux maomance is over. >> thank you, panel, we'll again be talking about other issues in the next hour or two. up next, we'll turn to the race for the democratic nomination as hillary clinton goes from almost ignoring bernie sanders to the attacking his position, that's next. ugh! heartburn!
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as hillary clinton heads to south carolina to prepare for tomorrow night's debate, her husband bill clinton will be on the trail in iowa. hey, john.
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>> reporter: hey, richard, how are you this morning? this is actually the second day in iowa for former president clinton, he had three events yesterday, today ethree more events. he's starting here in council bluffs on the west side of the state. chelsea clinton has three events of her own starting on the east side of the state, moving toward des moines and then tonight, they meet in des moines and they'll have a joint appearance this evening. now the campaign is facing the surging bernie sanders here in iowa, a lot of democrats i have been speaking to across the state did not expect this race to be as tight as it's turned out. they tell me that his strengths, sanders' strength appears to be in the urban areas and in college towns, he's gaining traction, they say, because of his talk about income inequality, and also about the idea of moving toward a universal health care system, a
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single payer system, the campaign, the clinton campaign is complaining that sanders would do away with obama care, in other words to do that and they also say that he ehasn't provided any details of that plan or talked about where he would find the money or even how much it would cost. what i hear from democrats in the state is that that is gaining traction, even without those details. as one official told me, he said in iowa, it always pays to be the most liberal candidate in the race and right now that's bernie sanders. >> john, crowds, what they expect to be for the former president, how have they been? what's the reaction? that's always a question when you get the former president out there, at least with hillary clinton for her campaign. >> the crowds have been good, we were in sioux city yesterday, the room had about 200 seats, i would say there were about 300 in all, a lot of standees and
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people flowing out into the lobby, and people eager to see, to rally for hillary clinton, also eeg tore see the former president. there were a lot of t shirts from people wearing t-shirts that said, i miss bill. >> i miss bill, that's not what hillary clinton wants to hear. as the polls continue to tighten, hillary clinton's attacks on bernie sanders as was intimated by john yang there and his health plan have intensified, take a listen. >> for months his campaign has been saying before the iowa caucus, we will tell you what we are proposing in taxes and the bulk of what he is advocating for is a single payer health care system, which would probably cost about $15 trillion. but he's not telling us what it will look like and what it will cost. >> friday sanders' spokesperson
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said he would -- he also fired back at clinton accusing her of abandoning support for universal health care. >> the question is, are we as a country going to garnuarantee health care to all people. this has been part of the democratic party since roosevelt. this has been a democratic issue and it's unfortunate that the secretary now apparently has abandoned her support for universal health care. >> as first lady, more than 20 years ago. all right, let's bring in our panel right now, so this issue that bernie sanders, is this a winning issue? and i think david wants to jump in on this one. >> hillary is on the wrong side of this issue, at least for a democratic primary contest. universal health care, you mentioned that ted kennedy and others have long fought for this. and to sort of try to use that
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sort of goal of progressives against bernie sanders, when you're running for the democratic primary is wrong. and i think chelsea earlier in this week, if not untrue, saying that bernie sanders wants to throw millions of people off health care. you can argue about this policy wise, but when they're attacking bernie for his motives and saying he doesn't know what he's talking about on health care in front of this audience, it shows unfortunately a certain level of desperation on the clintonian side. i just don't see how this is a winning play for them, it's only going to fire up the bernie people. >> it's been said it's not a winning issue on the primary side. >> yeah, so i think in hillary's case, she's a realist, she's tried to do this many times, this is where hillary is as a candidate, i think she veered to far to the left, every time she
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has already she's been called inauthentic, if she were to come out supporting sick ining singl health care, it would look like she's moving too far to the left. >> but for bernie, to throw millions of people off health care because he's in favor of single payer, that's disingenerous, that's wrong. >> he's questioning how to pay for it at least at this moment, from the republican perspective, you must be licking your chops. >> it's no secret that the affordable health care act has had its challenges, and there's no doubt that republicans want to repeal it and replace it with a more liberal system. in the iowa caucus, there's no doubt that singer payer has been the dream. and for bernie sanders, that's no doubt a winning strategy. in iowa, the democratic voters are much more liberal and much more populist in nature. >> details about the bernie
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sanders plan, $117 billion credibilitied by the top 5 first of earners, $176 billion contributed by the rest of taxpayers, that's almost $600 billion short of what to the u.s. spent on health care in 2013. all sorts of ideas of how to pay for this. >> the idea is that you don't pay for insurance premiums, but you pay more taxes. you can debate whether this is right or wrong or whether it's politically realistic or mott. but for hillary to use it as a baseball bat against bernie and saying that he wants to throw millions of people off health care because of it, and i don't want to take sides in this campaign, but when chelsea was doing this, this is the old clinton strategy. it's thuggish and it just
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doesn't work in the primaries. >> is this going to work in the primaries? >> i think it will work in iowa more than new hampshire. des moines is an urban center, that's where the party's base is in the hawkeye state. i think the party tends to be a little bit more to the center, i don't think it plays as well there. >> our panel is going to stay with us of course, a program reminder, the democratic candidates will be debating tomorrow night, 9:00 eastern on nbc. turning next to last night's big story of a terror attack this time in the west african nation of burkina faso. we'll have the latest on the other side of this break. afib-an irregular heartbeat that may put you at five times greater risk of stroke they can pool together in the heart, forming a clot that can break free and travel upstream to the brain,
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stormed a hotel and cafe popular with westerners overnight. killing 23 people according to the nation's president. here's the very latest for us. kelley, what is the latest on the standoff? >> reporter: the standoff is over this morning, but there's reports that the government with the help of the french are still looking for attackers well after the siege ended. more than 100 people from 18 different countries were rescued this morning after a terrifying night. outside the splendid hotel in ouagadougou, cars in flames. and the sound of gun fire. for hours overnight, militants held hostages while government forces tried to break the siege. the assault began friday evening with at least four attackers opening fire at a cafe, then storming the four-star hotel. this woman was in the cafe meeting friends from the u.s.
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we dropped to the ground she says, and as soon as anyone raised their head, the gun american fimen fired at them. we had to play dead, they shook their foot to see if they were alive or not and if they were alive, they shot them. overnight french special forces were sent in to help from neighboring mali and by morning, the siege at the splendid hotel was over. 1264 126 hostages freed, a -- this morning government forces are still searching for attackers in the area and the death toll is rising. and the government says that fourth militant was actually killed at a nearby hotel this morning. according to burkina faso's president, two of the attackers were women al qaeda -- a week
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after to the paris attacks in november, 20 killed in that attack. and richard, we spoke with the state department this morning, we were told the embassy in ouagadougou is making every effort to account for citizens in this city, but it's still unclear if any americans were injured or killed. now to what's been another tumultuous week on wall street. the dow closing down early, 400 points, nearly 400 points yesterday, the dow and s&p, down about eight percentage points for the year, nasdaq down more than 10 percentage points, and is there concern for panic here? i say that because you and i have talked about throughout the years, and the point that you made very early in 2015, watch china. is this what this is all about this past week again?
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>> it's largely about china, china had a very rough end to the week, richard, the stock market fell almost 3%, it's back into a so-called bear market, it's declined 20% from it's most recent peak, china's economy is slowing and that's putting a lot of pressure on countries that depend on china for economic growth, it's putting pressure -- and we have china weakening that drove oil below $30 a barrel. >> and iran coming online as well. maybe that's putting pressure on the market over the next week or so. are you worried? >> it's our business not to worry. >> i'll allow you to. >> i think this is going to be a tough year, i think the stock market has further vulnerability here and around the world. i think the global economy is weaker than people realize. and the federal reserve that has already started raising rates is ultimately starting to -- not
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can the global economy suffer if the fed starts raising rates, but it will also slow the american economy too. >> the worst recession, 2008 or not? >> no, not here, maybe in china. >> always a pleasure, i think we're talking to you next hour, so thank you again for top stopping by. how will the country's fastest growing demographic vote in this election and will it be the swing vote candidates are looking for? i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain. tell 'em cedric sent you. ugh! heartburn! no one burns on my watch! try alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. they work fast and don't taste chalky.
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indian heritage. agesing americans with the fast -- with the number of registered voters expected to double by the year 2040. but candidates are not waiting to tap into this voting bloc. on monday hillary clinton -- 150 elected officials and community leaders supporting her campaign. part of the efforts to court the aapi republican group. >> i want to thank all of the asian american and pacific islander leaders, activists, volunteers and organizers who are here today supporting my campaign who will be by my side as we go through the primary process, and then we bring home a big win in november of 2016. >> reeversing trends, aging americans have been voting increasingly democratic in
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presidential elections recently. only 21% of asian pacific islanders voted for obama in 2012. but in last year's midterms, the aszian american pacific islander vote was split evenly just about between democrats and republicans. so what can we expect from the nation's fastest growing demographic. joining us now is a professior f the university of california riverside. you're looking into 2012 and the data specific to candidates swaying certain swing states. >> looking ahead at 2016, we probably can expect like in 20 is -- 2012, states like nevada and virginia, states that people wouldn't typically think there's a lot of asian americans, but there's a specific group of asian americans there that are growing pretty fast and we know
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in the last couple of election cycles, that elections tend to be very close in these states, so these states tend to be very hard fought. florida, north carolina, colorado, i think asian americans will have potentially more impact now than we did in 2012. >> so look at the numbers you have there. the question might with be then where are they trending? 2014, recent midterms are showing they went more to the right. in 2012, they went more to the left. what are we seeing in 2016? are they following latino-american and african-american trends? >> it's one of the biggest trends in the cycle. if you look at the trend over the last 20 years, it's pretty clear that they're sifting soldly toward the democratic party. 2016 is a toss up because the primary elections tend to be a
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low turnout affairs, we knew going into it that republicans were much more enthusiastic than democrats on it. so what will it be this time around? i think the key that you saw with hillary clinton is trying to drive up enthusiasm among a asian american voters to try to get out the democratic leaning voters. at the same time, you have people like jason chong and others in the republican national committee who have been doing outreach efforts after 2012, to the growth and opportunity report, and after that, you have had a lot of efforts to try to run local candidates and to grow the party in places like southern california, in places like northern virginia. >> you eve got jason from the rnc and our panel is here as well. >> jeb bush made this comment after 2012, look at this group, because it was one of the first to say it, the canary in the
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coal mine. >> my question would be, are there any sort of sets of issues that appeal more to this group or somewhat more to this group than others? if you're trying, if you're in the rnc or the d nrnc or hillar clinton, is there a way to do a that? [ no audio ] >> we lost your audio for a second. >> okay, no problem. so one of the issues that we know typically is septembconsis among asian-american voters after jobs is education. so that is an issue that both parties could try to drum of up in terms of asian americans. but the truth is what is it about education. based on the surveys that we have done and others have done are things like colleges debt and good quality education when it comes to k-12.
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so what can both sides offer a in terms of proving educational opportunities will be important to see. another issue is health care, and this is where it meeting be a bit of a challenge for republicans in 2016. asian americans support the affordable care act. they supported universal health care across the board among as man-american groups, so if someone is going to run on repealing the afordable care -- >> the republican stance is it related to the economy and smaller government which also this group cares about. yet they don't come out to vote, and there's a new fund that came out that's hoping to get them to come out to vote. they hope to invest millions of dollars to try to get this to happen. is it just about money along with these issues? >> it's a combination of is two. they may not be large nationally, but asian-americans make up key states like virginia
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and california. what i would like to know more if the professor can comment, was there also any studies on the donor habits of asian-americans. it's become clear that asian americans are doing well financially. >> what we have seen from our secure va data, giving rates are the same as they will for nonhispanic whites. but the key is who are they giving their money to. and we're doing a study to see where those giving patterns are headed. but there's going to be a lot of issues with the creation of this victory fund. >> so my question would be, what is the socioeconomic bracket. is there a difference between virginia, nevada and arizona, are they well off or not? >> well, the thing that we have
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seen is that even among the well off asian american groups, they tend to support bigger government, more taxes, more spending. and so in ways, if you look at that slice of the population, people might think why would a high income group support higher taxes. so if you look at jewish-american voters, among high income jewish american voters, so even though class matters when it comes to voting patterns, there's actually a pretty good consistency in terms of even among higher income brackets people supporting the democratic party. >> thank you for joining us this morning. you can fiend out more on this story on nbc news.com and nbcasianamericans. this is a potentially historic day around the world with an air
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a florida woman is tuing quitter after her husband was killed in a terrorist attack. our nbc affiliate in the san francisco bay area kntv has more. >> reporter: in november of last year, lloyd articcarl fields wat by one of the jordanian officers he was training. floyd's widow says that for years with twitter has knowingly permitted the terrorist group isis to use its social network as a tool to spread its propaganda. >> can this case go to the jury on the issue of culpability? >> terry connelly, dean
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attorney -- proving twitter was merely negligent will not be enough. >> some form of recklessness akin to giving a loaded gun to a child which is the exact framing that one federal judge did here. in a similar case is going to have to be shown. >> reporter: a twitter spokesperson says the lawsuit is without merit and we have teams around to the world actively investigating reports of rule violations, identifying violating conduct, partnering with organizations countering extremist content online and working with law enforcement entities when appropriate. >> you haven't got a preexisting legal finding that twitter was complicit. and so i think it's going to be a tough case. >> again our nbc affiliate kntv.
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>> these formations of campaigns, but they didn't know necessarily what the exact answer is, is this going to -- does this have some legs, this case? >> probably not, the communications decency act of 1996 will probably cover twitter and the kind of thing that people have talked got when it came into fruition it's leek holding the post office responsible for what's in the mail. because a it's put out there, twitter is covered by what's in there as par as the lawsuit is concerned. but there's a bigger question, which is how is the united states going to counter isis with them being online on twitter. >> there is what should businesses be doing, you brought up the example of a quasi-governmental group, the u.s. coastal service, but we have a lot of so-called distribution channels. >> and we're living in the post
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snoweden hangover era still. most companies don't want to come across like they're being too active with the u.s. government. but we have to remember they're meeting with the u.s. government on a frequent basis, they're talking about two things, how do they monitor this online, do it better and how do they help the u.s. government with the tech part of it. >> this is the white house task force we're talking about? >> and it needs to be talk about it on all levels, with the u.s. broadcasting -- and there needs to be a tech push now. and we're seeing to the tech push big-time. >> and a lot of reaction on this case we're reporting on. call -- cal perry, will you be back next hour? >> if you need me, i'm here. we'll go to south carolina where democrats are getting ready for tomorrow's debate. stick with us.
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bernie sanders is gaining ground. thanks for staying with us. primaries in iowa and new hampshire, how are hillary clinton and bernie sanders preparing for a long fight. how might a new movie on benghazi affect the democratic race. and ted cruz in the spotlight, but with the added attention, comes with new scrutiny over the texas republican. and al qaeda gunmen storm a west african hotel popular with westerners. and outrage in the community about the obama administration targeting undocumented immigrants. we begin in south carolina where the three democratic candidates for president will face off in tomorrow's democratic debate.
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bernie sanders has managed to climb within digits of clinton in iowa. the latest poll showing sanders and clinton in a statistical dead heat. "wall street journal" maris poll shows sanders with a 4 point lead. nbc's rachel maddow asked clinton -- >> we have a very significant core of committed supporterers. and that's a what the caucus really officially ends up counting. who will come out on february 1st. i feel very good. now that doesn't mean i'm not going to work like crazy to reach as many people as i possibly can, because that's what i'm doing, that's what i will be doing. >> clinton in her campaign attacked sanders on his record on gun control, and his singer payer health care proposal and
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whether sanders broke his promise never to release a negative ad. aft joining me now for more on the democratic race, from the site of tomorrow's debate, is nbc campaign embed monica al wiba, you've been following the democratic campaign for several months, what are you seeing there being with the campaign? >> reporter: well, richard, these latest polls as you mentioned certainly give them reason to be anxious and nervous. the candidate herself has said all week long that she's not nervous and feeling good. she also said on jimmy fallon that the -- you can definitely tell from a shift in strategy, something has changed and they are appearing to grow more nervous. there's a couple of things you have to look at here. first clinton as you showed, she was on rachel maddow, she's on
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jimmy fallon. and they have also ramped up the surrogate game. bill and chelsea clinton both hitting the trail in iowa and in new hampshire for her. and they have dialed up the attacks on bernie sanders which is what campaign officials say they can most make the -- >> i want to get to the panel in just a second. but one of the things that were brought inby david corn is that they're putting hillary clinton early than they had planned to. what is your sense of the timing of things and how they may be accelerating what they originally had planned. and another part of the question is, the youth vote, and in our nbc news/"wall street journal"/maris poll says she's struggling with that but she says she has a strong core. >> reporter: they're trying to do things like bring lena dunham out on the campaign.
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and denny lovato is going to be joining her on the trail in iowa as well. it's true that they brought out bill and chelsea a little bit earlier than anticipated. and as we saw this week, chelsea got into it criticizing senator sanders. we have seen this ramped up, we have seen this going in with a little over two weeks to iowa, they are fully game on and they know they have to give it their all with so little time until the first votes are cast. >> monica, thank you so much for your reporting there, an embed with the clinton campaign, it gives us a lot to talk about with our panel. david, since i was quoting you there, she's saying, yes, they are moving faster than they wanted to. >> i have to believe that they would have loved to sail through the primaries without calling on
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bill clinton. i think he -- he's certainly an asset to democratic voters, i think he's an asset to most voters but there's certainly controversy about his past and if you don't have to deal with that, why. bringing chelsea out as sort of an attack agent against bernie also was kind of surprising, because that wasn't her image before hand. i got a lot of twitter hate for saying that they were thuggish. i do think her attacks on bernie sanders saying that he wants to throw millions of people off health care are disingenuous, you can have a real serious argument about whether you can implement single payer, whether that's the best way to go or not. but to say that bernie sanders aim is to break the health care system rather than moving to something that's more ideal. >> clinton losing her national lead faster than she did in
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twaeg 2008. you look at these two line charts together. the question is it too early to be looking at these sorts of th numbers? we have two candidates, one is barack obama who's different from bernie sanders. and this is a different jeer too certainly as many have said. >> we are getting to the stage of the campaign where expectations are going to matter more than those poll numbers there,'s a situation i can envision here where she goes in as the underdog in both iowa and new hampshire andive she gets within a point or two of bernie sanders she goes to south carolina. she's the come back kid. it's different from somebody -- >> is that good for her being the underdog? >> she would never be the underdog, she's got the machine behind her, she's feeling the burn. >> what about the scenario that sheryl is laying out for us. >> the larry david of politics is bringing on the heat there.
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he's kind of the anti-politician, even though he's been in washington, d.c. for so long, he's been an outsider. but on both side, they want a campaign that's running against the machine that's bernie. >> the democratic party is changing a lot after iowa and new hampshire. in bigger states where you do the retail politics, so if she should happen to lose iowa and new hampshire by whatever amounts, you know, does the sort of -- the game on the ground change to her advantage? >> but that's her to win south carolina? >> but bernie and the bill clinton machine earlier, what does it say about her ability to identify, and we mentioned the youth vote. but the voters outside of that vote. >> it's not just millennials, it's under 45, one poll showed under 45, she was down two to one votes. so she's going to have to find a
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way eventually. >> is bill clinton the answer? >> bill clinton, again, would be somebody that might help in a general election, but right now, folks are looking for a little more authentic voice, and bernie is addressing that issue, and it's going to hurt hillary with the debate being tomorrow up against two nfl playoff games. >> i would say bill clinton does help, certainly more than he hurts, but he does help in states like new hampshire, but he has this history of being the come back kid, especially in south carolina. bill clinton has made two trips to new hampshire. we september supporters to both events, the last one was on wednesday night, it was where dartmouth college is, and -- they were like well, i think he's intriguing because he's a former president. none of that thinking nostalgic,
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they totally are oblivious to all of that. >> one of the things we should look back to is 2008, though, it may not be too late in terms of that dynamic that you all three were talking about, and her ability to connect with voters. >>. i had an interesting conversation with a bernie sanders strategist and said basically what's going on? because in november and december the conventional wisdom was that she was ahead and she was there to say. i figure there's an exponential emotional bond between bernie sanders and his supporters, that hillary -- she obviously does it with some groups, women over 45, she has that bond, they have that experience together, a generational experience. but she hasn't been able to do that with anybody else. but bernie people, whether they're young or old, they feel a connection. >> and you gasped when i brought up the fundraising with bernie sanders and he's quadrupled the
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numbers. >> and since 2008, hillary has a new reported that americans are remembering, first you have benghazi, which is now a movie in swror theaters, which is going to detail what happened there, and whether you follow all the details of what happened there, but she was in charge and four americans were dead. and then of course you have the e-mail challenge, and the details keep trickling out day after day and week after week. >> hillary clinton voters don't care about the e-mail. >> benghazi, she's not mentioned in the film, it's a bum rap that she's responsible for that. the movie says there's nothing she could have done different. >> that segment is coming up, david. >> lrlt. all right. >> hang tight my friends. program reminder, democratic candidates will debate tomorrow night 9:00 eastern right here on nbc. up next, is ted cruz about
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as we have been talking about this morning, "the washington post" reporting this morning, republican party leaders beginning to believe and accept the race for the party's presidential nomination down to just donald trump and ted cruz, time running out for an establishment candidate to emerge. cruz has been rising in the polls in order to challenge donald trump. but with the added visibility has come some new scrutiny, with questions about natural born citizenship and whether cruz who was born in canada is eligible to run. >> the democrats are going to be bringing a suit, you have a big lawsuit over your head while you're running and if you become the nominee, who the hell knows if you can even serve in office.
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>> back in september, my friend donald said he had had his lawyers look at this the from every which way, and there was no issue there, there was th nothing to this birther issue. now sense september, the constitution hasn't changed. but the poll numbers have. >> that was definitely a laugh line. thursday's debate also reflecting questions about ted krusz and his ties to wall street. he was accused of not disclosing a loan from goldman-sachs where his wife worked during his senate bid. >> the entire news attack is that i disclosed that loan on one filing to the united states senate, but it was not on a second filing with the sec, both of those filings were public, and yes, i made a paper work error disclosing it on one paper and not on the other, if that's the best that the "new york times" has got, they better go
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back to the well. >> ted cruz, you used to sigh you supported doubling the number of green cards, now you say you're against its. you used to support legalizing people that were here illegally, now you say you're against it. you used to say you were in favor of birth right citizenship, now you say you are against it. by the way it's not just on immigration. >> i appreciate you dumping your research told folder on the debate stage. >> "washington post" political reporter robert costa who wrote this morn's article about republican party leaders, fearing a that the time is running out. you were earlier reporting a couple of weeks back that they were certainly lag at a contested convention, and now you're saying let's look past the establishment and they're focusing nearly on cruz and trump at to the moment. >> it's a phase of acceptance,
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my colleague phillip rucker and i, the financial community starting to think this is becoming raps a two-person race between donald trump and ted cruz. >> why are they saying that? >> they look at the polls, they look at the debate. the past debates especially in south carolina. they're watching to see if could an establishment favorite a chris christie or marco rubio have a breakout moment. none of those candidates had a breakout moment and they're lumped together i trying to get political oxygen. >> you talked about cruz's birthplace, is cruz in trouble on this issue with the base? >> so far, cruz has endured donald trump's attacks, and we see trump as being relentless as far as going after cruz, he's going after senator krusz on the
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goldman-sachs loans and the c canadi canadian -- when they have these kind of nonstop attacks, cruz has a lot of political capital with conservatives, he's popular and they trust him. so he may be able to endure this. >> i want to get to the panel on this question, but first play trump on cruz's attack on new york values and then we'll get the response. >> i think most people know exactly what new york values are. >> i am from new york. >> you're from new york, so you might not. but i promise you in the state of the south carolina they do. >> when the world trade center came down, i saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully, more humanely than new york. and the people in new york fought and fought and fought. >> in "new york daily news" got
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in on this debate with the headline, ted cruz last night in the "new york daily news" demanding an apology. >> i'm happy to apo popoll jay. i apologize to the many new yorkers who have been let down by democrats in our state. >> he kind of went there in the debate. donald trump just walked in and walked through the door. >> the question is, he's playing to a particular slice of the republican electorate. evangelical sup porters who feel they have been ostracized, they don't like abortion, they look at new york as kind of like the cultural elite that looks down upon these people. i'm not sure it hurts him with these people. i think it makes him look like a horrendous human being, which is
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just my view. it might help him in iowa or new hampshire. that was one of the first times in the campaign when trump seemed to be genuine, showed some emotion, talked about something bigger than himself. granted there isn't much that's bigger than donald trump, i know that. so it gave trump a way to almost look human, so i think they both kind of won in terms of their own audiences on that. >> there's no doubt that cruz is getting under trump's skin, he's catching up to him and that, you know, trump may have responded genuinely as a new yorker, but this as david said, this is going to help russ in iowa, new hampshire and in south carolina. he's not running an election right now, he's running state by state and this is going to help him among voters who are not particularly fond of trump on either coast of our country. >> i think that phrase right there might be why ted cruz
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could not win the white house. that keened of phrase plays very well on a republican base. people were nodding along when they say new york values like that. i'm not saying a republican doesn't stand a chance in the eloek torl college in new york, that's why he's such a partisan and divisive figure, because he says things like that that really divide the party. >> the way he apologized makes him looking really mean. he has very little appeal, i think personally or politically, idealogically beyond that base, they will take him in the republican primary, but i'm not sure america wants that. >> ted cruz, the final word, the rules meeting or the meeting about rules in the republican party, looking forward towards the convention and it's consistent with your reporting about it boiling down to these two nonestablishment if you will, candidates and that's the debate right now, isn't it? what came from that meeting that
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might show that the party, the republican party is concerned? >> there is a lot of concern among republican national committee members, because the wrd that this convention if it's brokered in some kind of back room is just not how this will unfold. because these delegates on a second ballot, should they become unbound, there's really no direction from the party at this point. they would be just unbound delegates on the convention floor. >> weal see what happe'll see w. robert costa from "the washington post," appreciate it. up next wall street's brutal start to 2016, is it a seen that we might be on the brink of another recession? then those places change every few months... please. it's time you got the quicksilver card from capital one. quicksilver earns you unlimited 1.5% cash back
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letter, luis gutierrez, democratic congressman from illinois. representative, thank you as always for being here. this continues, this continues with criticism, this comes are the letter that was signed by 148 as i have just mentioned. many of you who sign this, not all are saying why is this continuing? >> well, look, the rates, the separation of families, as a tool for immigration control is discreted policy, on christmas eve, they decided that they would come into people's homes. it caused widespread panic and fear throughout imimmigrant communities throughout the united states of america. it doesn't revolve the problem, because, look, if you live in
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guatemala or el salvador or honduras and there is no safety for you, if you are threatened with death, if you are threatened with decapitation, if you are threatened with murder and rape and putting your children into slavery, through human smugglers, you're going to escape. you need to deal with the issues. they looked at it as a traditional immigration problem. these are undocumented workers who are coming. no. as a woman said to me in one of the detention centers outside of san antonio just before father's day of this year, she said lew luis, she said i can survive poverty, what i can not do is live in peace, this is really an issue of human rights for these people to come here. i know the american people looking at them, remember they didn't come here illegally, we have laws on our books to allow
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people to come and seek refuge and asylum in the united states of america so they are using the laws of the united states of america. >> congressman, thank you so much for joining us, luis gutierrez on immigration. numbers from our most recent polls showing 7% of republican caucus-goers and 5% of likely democratic caucus-goers. now i would like to bring in someone who would like to look at that very topic, jose antonio vargas. this is the interesting part about the topic as you know so well here, jose, that it's not resonating at least in these early states and despite what representati representati representative luis gutierrez is saying that this is not about future people who immigration to the u.s., it's about families and faces. >> it's about stories, this is
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precisely why we find america in this nonprofit media and culture campaign that i founded in 2011, we're hosting our first ever film festal value in des moines, iowa starting thursday, for three days for free, it's open to residents of des moines and iowans, caucus-goers who actually want to watch stories and listen to stories of immigrants, mexican immigrants, chinese immigrants, we're also showing a film called the muslims are coming. and for all the republican -- we're also even having a closing night reception on saturday night, next saturday for all the candidates, democratic and republican to really get to know what this issue is and to celebrate all the immigrants in iowa, documented and undocumented. >> jose, i apologize, we have to cut our discussion a little bit
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short, we have some breaking news this hour. jose antonio vargas, as always, thank you for joining us. "the washington post" reporting as well as the associated press, iran has released a reporter jason wazon, he's been held since july of 2014, convicted in no on charges of espionage. >> four duel nationals as they stated it has been released in iran. all this happening as the u.s. secretary of state sits down in vie wrena with the iranian foreign minister to start this
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nuclear deal. it probably would have been a quieter day, except this is now potentially a pivotal and seminole moment between the u.s. and iran and future relations. the sanctions are due to be lifted today. >> he had helped cnn's anthony bord air bordain. we don't know the identities of the others that have been released. there's also a pastor, saud abbudine, he's been serving in the same prison, and the other person that will be interesting to find out about is levinson, who the fbi has never said whether or not he is alive or dead, he was taken off of an
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iranian island in 2007, but we'll have to wait and see, we do understand that jason rezaian has walked out of prison today. >> and the breaking news, just this hour that we're learning here at msnbc, four released from the iranian government. four today as you just mentioned, the iran deal coming into effect. a lot of moving parts. a lot of folks are going to be asking is this directly related to the negotiations, and there's also those ten american sailors detained and then quickly released. >> this is potentially shaping up to be a historic week between the u.s. and iran. the sailors is the perfect example. if that had happened a year ago, it would have been a completely different situation, they still would have been detained inner rain. instead we see them eating food, it was almost like a ballet
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dance between the u.s. fifth fleet and the iranian national guard. and this is a huge, huge deal, especially from the iranian perspective, they have held on to jason rezaian because it has caused so much tension through the negotiations, this was a major bargaining chip. it will be interesting to see what the u.s. has given up if anything, it's being framed on the official iranian news agency as a swap. we don't know what the other side of the swap was yet. >> that is what we'll be watching, this on to the breaking news, cal perry, msnbc. thank you very much, that breaking news, four released by the iranian government, we're going to stay on top of that, but we're first going to take a break. once-daily namenda xr to his current treatment for moderate to severe alzheimer's. it works differently. when added to another alzheimer's treatment, it may improve overall function and cognition.
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just within the last couple of hours quoting tehran's prosecutor, one of those individuals jason recysigredian rezaian, i want to go to our panel on this breaking news, because there he's a lot of moving parts here as all three of you know so well. we have what's happening there in vie yes or no that, we have the secretary of state, we have one of the leaders of iran, coming out in front of the cameras shortly. >> this is great news, my heart goes out to the family to jason and his colleagues at the post, i know how it's been for the hostages and their families, so it's great news to begin with. but we can be sort of politically and policy minded with this. the heart of the case, the iran deal was good on it's own merits as most arms control experts would say, but also it would ease up some of the acty hory m
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any between the united statesnd iran. this is how diplomacy works, this must have been under way, we saw it happen with the navy sailors, this is different in how we're dealing with iran and how they were dealing with us before this deal. i think it's a big day for john kerry, and a big day for people, as barack obama who said diplomacy is our way out. rather than soft power. >> as we look at what's happening here. the topic here is what will america get out of this? we don't know what that swap ask, as cal perry was saying? >> absolutely. well, first of all, i have to agree with david that this is a huge win for john kerry, i think it's going to be very interesting, looking at his tenure as secretary of state, because he has had some major successes, including if these
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reports are true, this one. this really speaks to a job that he's probably meant to do and something he's been wanting to do for decades and decades. >> this is a great day for america, a great day for the families that were released. we need to continue to monitor iran, that has not become too sanguine, still a major player against u.s. interests in the region, around the globe, but this is a positive move and it says a lot about diplomacy and a major engagement around the world. >> it comes as a time when tensions are increased, we had the saudi arabia action a month ago when they killed the shiite immom and saudi arabia is our ally and this certainly doesn't help u.s. effort in the effort to make the area more stable there.
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the issues that you raised are there. but i mean this is a good sign. >> a good first step, but there's a long road to go. >> so what i'm also hearing from the farsi news agency, they also freed six iranian americans that were held for sanctions related charges. so we're getting more and more information, we're getting more ---is this a major step, though, and you brought up saudi arabia because there was also a major headline for us in recent weeks. >> we don't know if this is the extent of it, or if this will lead the way to more responsible action and better, you know, relations between the united states and iran just in the rest of the world, how they handled the incident with the navy boats, ted cruz tried to make a campaign issue out of that, the way -- usually it creates more
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conflict that took, what, a day or less and it turned out, we probably made the mistake. we still don't know to the details, it's somewhat mission ti -- mission. mysterious. we need to move in a positive direction. >> on a political note, does this balance out that as you were calling it a ter toughal when we were looking at the 10 u.s. sailors? >> certainly a more positive sign, we assume that the united states was probably the one that made the mistake there. >> we can go back to the cold war, and that was, you need to even at the host heightened times of tension, you need to have channels of communications, that was very key. through these nuclear negotiations senator kerry was lucky to have communications
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with iran, not only on the nuclear issue, but when -- >> a semiofficial news agency, according to tehran's prosecutor, they were quoting the prosecutor saying that iran has freed four prisoners from the united states, including "washington post" journalist swra son rezaian, and the u.s. has also freed six iranian prisoners who were held on sanction related charges. all of this coming out of the farse news agency. ...isn't it time to let the... ...real you shine... ...through? introducing otezla, apremilast. otezla is not an injection, or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently.
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still following the breaking news. iran has released its reporter jason rezaian. no confirmation from the united
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states as of yet. a fourth american, an iranian national were also released. they say the u.s. has freed six iranian americans who were held for sanctions related charges. the iran nuclear deal set to go into effect later today, that's also happening as we get breaking news this past hour. secretary of state kerry meeting with iranian foreign minister in vienna. he has been held since july 2014 convicted in november on charges that include espionage. cal perry, the news coming in about these news being released. we don't have all the details. have some understanding of some of the names here. also the ap for us. >> we think the fourth a businessman, he was based in dubai. we also don't know how this is going to play out logistically. we don't know if they're going
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to be getting on a plane, when we're going to see them. that of is key importance. as this goes on in vienna, these nucle nuclear negotiation, that's going to get a lot more attention today. >> there's hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, but it's boring. peace doesn't play well on tv. four americans walking out of an iranian prison, evan prison, one of the most not tearsly brutal places on earth. >> it's the headline they want. secretary of state kerry gets out there. this is the sort of thing they want. stand by. i want to go to ron allen at the white house with more on this developing news. ron, we're just getting word on this. the four being released as well as six from the united states. in the swap according to the news agency. ron. >> exactly, richard, we've not been able to confirm that here at the white house, but we're
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trying to do that. obviously, that is something that has been a high priority for the administration for a very long time. and it will be very welcome news once we get confirmation. and we would expect that to happen perhaps once the prisoners are cleared of iranian airspace and well on their way out of the country. but, again, not confirmation coming from here as of yet. the administration, i should also say, is not included for include the american prisoners in the nuclear deal. all along they've been working on a separate track and didn't want to complicate those issues, but clearly seems to be happening. as others have said, a crucial, historic, perhaps seminal day in american-ira american-irani relations. remember, of course, a couple of days ago, the situation invol
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involving those ten sailors who were held by the iranians was quickly resolved. and peacefully resolved. so clearly things are happening and happening positively between these two longtime adversaries. the iranians have claimed, for their part, that the americans are holding as many as 19 prisoners here. most of them, officials caught up and accused of being involved in issues that have to do with the sanctions that were imposed on iran. the reporting suggests that as many as six iranians may have been released from custody or some sort of confinement in the united states in exchange for the four americans. but, again, just trying to confirm that here, 100%, waiting for details from the white house. >> nbc's ron allen at the white house, ron, thank you for jumping in front of the camera. we've got about a minute here. this of course the hopes for a future, a better.
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tweeted this earlier that they will be working to end extremism. >> this was in the works for weeks, months. john kerry, barack obama, they kept quiet about this when they were attacked for not including this. they knew they were working on it. so it's a big success and shows sometimes you got to wait and see. >> new era? >> knnew era. it's good that we're engaging, continuing to negotiation and continuing to address challenges together with other partners in the region. >> the question you have? >> i'll be waiting to see how a lot the republican candidates for president are going to respond in the next couple of days to this kind of news especially donald trump who's definitely had a let's say heavy-handed approach to diplomacy. >> cal, as you've been reporting for us, thank you, on this breaking news. the question is, yeah, what is this swap going to look like? what will be happening when they come down and say, hey, look at this. >> a great moment for the obama legacy. certainly that's how he's going to present it, cuba and now iran. >> thank you so much on have a
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busy saturday morning right here on msnbc. thank you, all, for helping us with this story. join us tomorrow, sunday morning, at 9:00 a.m., when we'll have a preview of tomorrow night's democratic debate. melissa harris perry is up next with more of our breaking coverage on the release of "washington post" reporter jason rezaian and three others. al pea. delicious berries and cream. soft, chewable, calcium plus vitamin d. only from citracal. you're all set to book a flight using your airline credit card miles. and surprise! those seats sometimes cost a ridiculous number of miles, making it really hard to book the flight you want. luckily, there's a better way... with the capital one venture card. with venture, you'll earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day. and when you're ready to travel, just book the flight you want, on any airline, then use your miles to cover the cost. now you're getting somewhere.
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