tv MSNBC Live With Tamron Hall MSNBC January 18, 2016 8:00am-9:01am PST
good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall. we begin with the democratic presidential candidates. they're fine-tuning those closing arguments after facing off in that debate last night. we have a live look for you, this is in columbia where hillary clinton, bernie sanders and martin o'malley are taking part in an event commemorating martin luther king day. the solemn occasion is a stark contrast to what we saw last night in the debate where the gloves certainly came off almost out of the gate the candidates went head-to-head over the issue of guns. clinton pounced on bernie sande sanders's announcement saturday he'd support removing immunity for gun manufacturers. >> -- what she says is very disingenuous. i have a d-minus voting record from the nra. >> you didn't answer the request he that you did change your position on immunity for gun manufacturers. can you answer the question as to why? >> what i have said is that the
gun manufacturers' liability bill had some good provisions, among other things. >> look, i have made it clear, based on senator sanders' own record, that he has voted with the nra, with the gun lobby, numerous times. now, i am pleased to hear that senator sanders has reversed his position on immunity and i look forward to him joining with those members of congress who have already introduced legislation. >> the two also sparred over health care. senator sanders released the details of his single-payor health care plan just hours before the debate which clinton said would kill the affordable care act. >> i'm on the committee that wrote the affordable care act. i made the affordable care act along with jim clyburn a better piece of legislation. i voted for it. but right now what we have to deal with is the fact that 29
million people still have no health insurance. >> there are things we can do to improve it but to tear it up and start over again, pushing our country back into that kind of a contentious debate i think is the wrong direction. >> that is nonsense! what a medicare-for-all program does is finally provide in this country health care for every man, woman and child as a right! >> and the issue of wall street reform sparked one of the night's most contentious exchanges. here it is. >> i take money from big banks. i don't get personal speaking fees from goldman sachs. >> i can take that. but he's criticized president obama for taking donations from wall street, and president obama has led our country out of the great recession. >> you've received over $600,000 in speaking fees from goldman sachs in one year.
>> you are the only one on this stage that voted to deregulate the financial market in 2000. >> nbc's kristin welker joins us now from the site of last night's debate. kristin, let's launch in from that last exchange. we saw hillary clinton a number of times "wrap her arms around the legacy of president obama." for two reasons, reverend al sharpton pointed out, last night's debate was hosted by the caucus. she right now leads in the polls 66% to sanders' 26%. plus put in some of the bad blood between the clintons and black voters after the showdown in south carolina with president obama. >> reporter: well, i think all of those reasons are absolutely on point, tamron. secretary clinton clearly trying to solidify that part of the electorate to rally voters of
color around her. president obama very popular obviously around african-american voters. but also for the democratic base. so she's not only speaking to efforts vo here in south carolina, a critical state, by the way, the first in the south primary state. but also trying to rally voters in iowa and in new hampshire where the polls are so close. i think that it is a mult multi-pronged strategy that she's taking and it is the first time that we've seen her that aggressively try to wrap her arms around president obama. just a point about south carolina. the reason why it is even more important in this primary than perhaps ever imagined by the clinton campaign, if she were to lose iowa, if she were to lose new hampshire, this would be the new battleground. so there is a lot of focus on south carolina right now. lot of focus on nevada as well. so what we saw last night, tamron, some of the most contentious, heated arguments we have seen between secretary clinton and bernie sanders, and
that is because you have a surging senator sanders. a lot of people saying last night's debate will be remembered as the bernie sanders debate because there was so much focus on his reversal over the gun legislation and over those new details that we got last night about how he's proposing to pay for his single payer medicare for all health care plan. he defended himself in a very robust way but it is a preview of things to come as these candidates sprint toward the finish in iowa. >> it is interesting also to note that we will talk a little bit later, kristin, on what's happening in flint, michigan and the water crisis there. at the end of the debate is when that topic came up and many people, given bernie sanders' background, martin o'malley, and certainly hillary clinton, expected that to come up sooner or in a more substantive way but it was hillary clinton who brought it up at the end. >> reporter: it was. and she was very firm about it. had very strong words for the governor and it has become one
of these issues that is resonating on the campaign trail. of course, the question that she got is, what else do you want to talk about that you haven't been able to talk about? so i do think it was notable that that's the issue that she pointed to last and drew attention to. this race keeps getting more heated, more contentious by the day, and as you pointed out at the top of your comments, tamron, all of the candidates are at that event for martin luther king here, and this will probably be the last time we see them all sort of joining hands as it were, because after that event, i think it is going to be the gloves off again. >> kristin, thank you very much. as mentioned, the two hot topics of the night, gun control, health care. let's bring in steve kornacki, he joins us now with more on both of those points. when you look at least some of the scoring so far, it appears that if you look at the average, bernie sanders is the victor according to at least -- again,
i qualify this because it is instant read-out. but it seems people believe he won that debate. >> we'll see more numbers and data on that i'm sure to come in the coming days. you talk about guns, health care, those two items that sparked a lot of debate between those two candidates last night. you heard what both hillary clinton and bernie sanders had to say. we thought we'd show you some of the things they didn't say last night. because what they were saying last night does not necessarily match up in either case with what they've said in the past. let's start on guns. bernie sanders last night attacked by hillary clinton for being in her view, too close to the nra. couple things here that bernie sanders did not bring up when he tried to defend his record. one is that he voted against -- i think we have it on the screen. 1993, the brady bill it was called. it is now the brady law that mandated a waiting period for a background check to be performed before anybody can purchase a handgun. there is bernie sanders. then congressman from vermont voting no on that. bernie sanders did not mention that last night. what he said is that he'd always
favored instant background collection. well, in 1993 instant background checks were part of the alternative that was backed by the nra to the brady bill. and it was not seen as necessarily feasible at the time to implement an instant background check program. so the bill that was put forward that brnz voernie sanders voted was seen as an effort to kill the brady bill. there was also as mentioned bernie sanders flipped his position on this liability question for gun owners right before the debate. hillary clinton is now trying to get to bernie sanders pea's l's gun control is striking a remarkably different tone. eight years ago clinton portrays herself as a pro-gun churchgoer. in 2008 here's what she said about guns. >> we have a set of rules in new york city and we have a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. what might work in new york city is certainly not going to work in montana.
so for the federal government to be having any kind of blanket rules that they're going to try to impose i think doesn't make sense. >> that is guns then . then on the issue of health care, bernie sanders had taken heat in the run-up to this debate by hillary clinton for not releasing a health care reform plan. did he that right before the debate. hillary clinton had been taking heat from some people on the left for the way she criticized bernie sanders on this. she seemed to change the way she was criticizing him on this during the course of this debate. she said she did not question his motives, did not question his intentions. just said it wouldn't be practical to be trying to come up with a brand-new health care plan after all the years it took to get the affordable care act through. we just put it up on the screen a minute ago but again, this may be the most interesting thing to emerge from this debate whether it comes to health care. you have three influential liberal voices. all coming out since this debate and basically taking hillary
clinton's side over bernie sanders in this health care debate. if that is something that resonates with voters in the democratic primary over the next few weeks, that's something to watch. >> let's look at more of what resonated last night. it is always interesting to hear from focus groups. bringing in a democratic strategist. park street strategists conducted a focus group during the debate and is unaffiliated with any of the candidates. chris, good to see you. start with the make-up of your focus group. obviously that's important given south carolina, given the momentum that bernie sanders has with younger voters. tell us a little bit about this group before we hear what they had to say. >> so we had 30 democratic likely primary voters. we had 14 african-americans, 16 caucasian. ages differently. between men and women, it was split 15 and 15. it was a good reflective group of what is going to be seen on
primary day here in south carolina. >> pick up where steve kornacki left off regarding the health care debate and bernie sanders rolling out his plan. let me play what the focus group or at least how they responded to the conversation when bernie sanders discussed health care. >> he wants to end medicare, end medicaid, end the children's health insurance program. that is nonsense! what a medicare-for-all program does is finally provide in this country health care for every man, woman and child as a right! now, the truth is, that fran franklin delano roosevelt and harry truman believed that health care should be available to everybody. i was on the committee that made the affordable care act. i made it along with jim clyburn a better piece of legislation. >> we saw a slow move up. what did you haer at that time
from the focus group? >> it was a consistent pattern starting from the beginning. that is senator sanders' message, it is very populist, it kind of speaks to the economic anxiety that a lot of voters across the country but particularly here in south carolina, at least in this group, felt. when he was talking about health care -- this is when i think some of the challenges that you face in debates. in terms of how voters are going to respond, they're not going to microanalyze the merits of a policy in a debate. they're responding to the emotion of the message. sanders comes in with this big picture vision and it resonates. it is not to say that senator clinton, secretary clinton, wasn't effective. the problem is it's hard to compete against that bigger message, bigger vision if you're more focused on the technical debails or pointing out the flaws in another candidate's plan. >> you point out what resonated. but when you look at the scoring, even though your focus group believed that sanders won the debate 27-2 margin, they
also when asked who is more electable in november, they were split with 15 saying sanders and surprisingly, 14 saying hillary clinton. again it is a small focus group but when you look at the national numbers of where hillary clinton and senator sanders stand right now, she leads significantly nationally but it is a different story state by state. >> yeah. the electability argument is really the major problem that senator sanders has. we've done focus groups in iowa. the same problem emerges. i think here is the big challenge. this was one focus group of undecided voters. for him to move a state in particular where secretary clinton has significant historical ties and relationships is going to require him not only i think winning iowa, not only winning new hampshire, but really pouring significant resources. the folks in the group -- i was really interesting reaction -- a lot were just surprised because they hadn't heard his message. even though it connected, it really raised the question that they hadn't heard him, they're
not going to be able to move towards him. that's going to be the real big challenge senator sanders has going forward. it is not going to be an easy haul for him. he did really well last night in the debate and it was a significant win for him but he needs i think to do a lot more. >> which is so interesting. when you look at some of the facebook and social media traffic, he was getting more clicks and people more interested in bernie sanders and that could be for the very reason you explain. they're getting to know his message. >> that's right. i think that is i think the real opportunity he has to go in now. from what the bernie sanders campaign said they raised a significant amount of money. what's interesting, he's got money which other candidates when they go up against someone as formidable against secretary clinton they usually don't. now the question is what does he do with it, what sort of message does he start airing and pouring into this state. >> interesting information from that small focus group. breaking now, donald trump has just started speaking at
liberty university, a university founded by jerry falwell. it is a packed crowd but it is a mandatory event for students at liberty university. let's listen in. >> it's an honor to be here. it is an amazing story what's gone on with liberty university. i mean when you think of all of the years and the early years where -- not easy. a read a lot about it and i've watched it. liberty university, like a rocketship. a really great rocketship. what jerry has done and i knew his father a little bit. and i have to tell you, i flew his father a lot from the standpoint of what he did. to be compared to his father, just a little bit, to be compared to his father is really an honor for me. so i want to thank jerry for saying that. you know, it was very interesting, because when other candidates -- and everybody wants to come here. they don't have this kind of a crowd, but that's okay.
but i will say this, when jerry was telling nice things about other people and he was saying this one's very smart and this one's good, this one's good. and trump reminds me of my father. i said, that's the best compliment of all. that's much better than any of the other people got so i was extremely happy about that, i will tell you. and you should be very proud to be here. you're going to have amazing futures. just absolutely amazing futures. we had a debate recently. who watched the debate? everybody? very political place. okay? but it was an amazing evening for me and we did fine. we did well. and the polls came out right after that and we keep going up and we're so happy. i'm not going to go over the polls. somebody said why do you always discuss the polls. one of the people i'm running against, why do you always -- now he's in seventh place, i'm in first place. i said when you're in first place, you discuss polls. that's true. when you're in first place, you discuss polls. but so many things have happened and now they just keep coming
out and we go up and up and up. we hit 42 last week. 42%. that's with 14 or 15 people. they're dropping out rapidly. when you have 42%, at least you know you're not totally wasting your time today. rig right? 42% is good. i think i'd take 42% if we had three people. not 14. but it has been an experience and nbc/"wall street journal" just came out, 33%, and cbs, 41%. cbs 35%. we're really doing good. i'm not going to bother you. in south carolina we're at 35%, way, way, way above anybody else. and in iowa, cnn was -- we're the 33% to 20%. we're way up. and actually some other polls -- actually, the closest is iowa and i love iowa. i'm going there right after this. going up to new hampshire, i'm going to iowa, because i want to
win iowa. everyone says don't say that. don't say you're going to win, just say you're going to do well. that's the closest. but i can't do that. i want to win iowa! let's see. we've done great. we've done great with the evangelicals. evangelicals have been amazing. the tea party has been amazing and we're doing really well there. so we'll see what happens. we're going to give it our very best and i think we could surprise a lot of people by winning iowa. then we're just going to clean the table. we'll go through new hampshire, through south carolina where we were this weekend, it was amazing. we're going to go right through the whole group and i think we can do really something special. and we're going to protect christianity. i can say that. i don't have to be politically correct or -- we're going to protect -- you know? and i asked jerry and i asked some of the folks because i hear this is a major theme right here. but 2 corinthians 3-17.
that's the whole ball game. where the spirit of the lord -- right? where the spirit of the lord is, there is liberty. and here there is liberty college. but liberty university. but it is so true. you know, when you think -- and that's really -- is that the one? is that the one you like? i think that's the one you like. because i loved it. and it is so representative of what's taken place. but we are going to protect christianity. if you look at what's going on throughout the world, you look at syria where if you're christian, they're chopping off heads. you look at the different places. christianity, it is under siege. i'm a protestant, i'm very of it. presbyterian to be exact. but i'm very, very proud of it. other religions frankly are
banning together. if you look at this country, it's got to be 70%, 75%. some people say even more. the power we have. somehow we have to unify. we have to band together. we have to do really in a really large version what they've done at liberty. because liberty university has done that. you band together. you've created one of the great universities, colleges anywhere in the country, anywhere in the world, and that's what our country has to do that around christianity. so get together, folks, and let's do it because we can do it. no matter where i go we're having tremendous crowds. we're setting records everywhere. we went to dallas and mavericks arena, packed, 20,000 people. oklahoma, 20,000 people. mobile, alabama, 35,000 people. no matter where we go. even here, i understand you have rooms all over with the various equipment to show on the
screens. you have a much better location than they do but i won't tell them do, we're just going to cut that off. but you have rooms all over with the media equipment and no matter where we go. because i will tell you, this is a movement. it is a movement going on. we want to take our country back. our country is disappearing. you look at the kind of deals we make. you look at what's happening. our country is going in the wrong direction and so wrong, and it's got to be stopped and it's got to be stopped fast. we can't go another four years. i know that maybe hillary will be here and if she is, you can play this back. we can't have another four years of barack obama, we can't have another years of hillary clinton. we just can't do it. i watched that debate last night with the three of them. one of them is in there, what's he doing? he keeps mentioning my name. he was the mayor of baltimore.
that was his big claim to fame. then he became governor. they thought he did a good job, turned out he did a horrible job. he's in there constantly mentioning my name. everything, donald trump, donald trump. i said why does he have to talk about moo he? look the a the job this guy's done. then the other two. have you a socialist who was here, actually. but you have a socialist -- i was going to say you have a socialist, could be much worse than that. and you have hillary. if anybody watched that debate last night, what it means is tremendously high taxes, things are not going to happen with the military. we need to build our military so big, so strong, so powerful, that nobody -- nobody is going to mess with us. we have to do it. general odierno left recently and he said our military is the least prepared that it's been in generations. least prepared. we need it more now than we've ever needed it. i'm in the real estate business pz i always get listings of
different things, bases, an army base, a naval base. everything's for sale. if it's military, it is for sale. we can't have that. we're going to build it big. we're going to build it strong. hopefully we're never going to have to use it. we're going to make it so strong nobody's going to want to mess. that's really what we have to do and in the end that's cheaper than this nonsense we're doing right now where nobody respects us, they're laughing at us. we don't know what we're doing. we can't beat isis. i see -- i see it on television. these generals. they get up and they talk on television. they're being interviewed. i don't want generals to be interviewed. one of the generals just recently, what do you think of the isis threat? oh, they're very tough. well, can we beat them? well, it is going to take a long time. i don't want that kind of a general! i want a general where we knock the hell out of them! fast!
and my generals, by the way, they're not going on television. okay? so the enemy can learn all about it. well, then we attack. how about president obama recently, we're sending 50 people over there. our finest. what does he have to say that for? why does he say it? they have a target on their back. they are looking for those 50 people. they're looking for those 50 people right now. more than any other people. what does he have to say it? why can't he just do it and not talk about it. right? why can't he do it and not talk about it? when the war in iraq started i was very opposed to it, i have tho tell you. i came out and i was very strong. i used to take a little heat on that but now i get a lot of credit for it. but in 2003, 2004, i said if you do that you're going to destabilize the middle east, it is going to be a disaster. we can knock them out pretty
easily but one or the other is going to take over -- we knock out iraq. iran is taking over the middle east. we have totally destabilized the middle east. i said this in 2004. we have totally destabilized the middle east. it's a disaster. and you look at this new iran deal which took forever to get done. you look at how bad it is and how one-sided it is. you look at how one-sided this deal is. and yesterday i heard, we're getting our hostages back. some people call them prisoners. some people call them hostages. i don't care. so we're getting them back. . and then i heard, well, wait a minute, we're paying a big price. they're getting seven back, we're getting actually four. you know, they say five but the other one they can't find. he's in iran. i tell you what, that's a strange -- that's another thing we're going to be looking into. and we're getting four back, they're getting seven. they're getting 14 off of the interpol watch list. these are real bad customers.
they're getting all sorts of advantages, including free market oil. they're getting unbelievable advantages. they're going to be an immensely wealthy country and a wealthy terror country and they're getting $150 billion. so when our sailors were captured last week, i said, that's one of the saddest things that i've seen, when those young people were on their hands and knees in a begging position with their hands up and thugs behind them with guns and then we talk like it is okay. it's not okay. it's lack of respect. we can't let that happen to this country. it's lack of respect. and we're not going to let it happen to this country. we're going to be strong, we're going to be vigilant. we're going to have powerful borders and strong borders. and look what just happened this morning. i don't know, for any of you that have been seeing or reading the news, three people have just
been kidnapped in iraq. because they see, what the heck? we pay $150 billion for four people, three people just this morning, and there is going to take place all over. they should have come back as part of the deal three years ago when they started talking about the deal. not now. not now. and what should have happened, what should have happened, is our representatives -- first of all, we needed people that negotiate properly, not a guy like kerry who doesn't have a clue. and we will have those people. i know those people. we will have those people. but when you look at what went on, our people, all you had to do was go in and say, to the persians, very good negotiators. legendary negotiators. they're known for it. they're sitting across the table. fellas -- in this case it is all fellas, i hate to tell this to
the women. they're behind the fact. they're a little behind the fact. they haven't figured out that women may be in certain ways much better than men but i don't want to say that because i'll get myself in trouble with men. but they haven't figured this out yet, but that's okay. you say, fellas with be we want our prisoners back. got to have them back. helps you, helps us. we'll make a better deal. the united states, the people, they want them back, they're talking about them, we want our prisoners back. got to give them back. they'll say no. we'll say that's okay, don't worry about it. bye-bye. get up, leave the room. double up the sanctions. within 48 hours they'll call and say we want our prisoners back. here's your prisoners. now you go in a second time. you don't mention this. you say listen, the other thing i had to tell you but didn't want to tell you before, we're not going to give you any money. we're a debtor nation. we don't have if. we owe $19 trillion. we're not going to give you any money. and you want to be nice. you don't want to put it in their face. just say, look, we're a poor nation. we've been mismanaged, we've
been misrun. we don't know what the hell we're doing. right? is that true or what? this isn't jerry running our nation, that i can tell you. but we've been mismanaged. we don't know what we're doing. $19 trillion in debt, going to be $21 trillion because of that ridiculous budget that was approved last week so fast, that's going to add another $2 trillion. we can't give it to you, sorry, we don't have it. they'll probably be upset but don't worry about it. a week goes by they'll say let's start negotiating. you could have gotten the prisoners out years ago for nothing without giving them these people who by the way deserve to have been in prison. these are serious. and the interpol people? forget it. these are bad dudes. these are bad people. so they made like this continue credible deal. but everybody makes good deals with the united states. because the world is smart and
they use their smart people. and they use their most cunning street-wise people and they know what they're doing. we have people that don't know what they're doing. we want to be politically correct, like jerry senior would say, politically correct. we want to be politically correct and it is just not working. i think one of the reasons that people are showing up for me and the poll numbers are all showing up for me, it is not that i can't be -- i went to a great school. ivy league school. all of that stuff. dwell. smart guy. i even had an uncle -- you believe in genes? some do, some don't. i had an uncle who was a professor at m.i.t. for decades. john trump. we could all be politically correct but it takes too much time. it takes too much time. you go into a department store now. when was the last time you saw "merry christmas"? if i'm president you're going to
see "merry christmas" in department stores. believe me. believe me. you're going to see a lot of things. you're going to see beyond. you're going to see a lot of things. but that's one example. you go shopping today, you hardly see anything. you see a wall that's painted red. oh, great, that's wonderful. we're going to be saying merry christmas again and we're going to be saying happy holidays. i have friends than aren't christian. they like to say merry christmas. they love it. everybody loves it. but we've taken it out of the vocabulary. it is not going to happen, okay? thank you. i love you, too. thank you. that was very nice. that is very nice. that was very warm, actually. sometimes you never know who's shouting. you never know. it's sort of interesting when i go to the rallies, we had one the other day, 16,000, 17,000 people. the arena was packed. i'd go home and i'd say to my wife, darling, how did you like these people? oh, it was good. how many people were there?
i said what do you mean? you didn't see it? no. i say it all the time, they focus on my face, they never, ever show the crowds. it sounds like a roar. when you have a lot of people like this. she'd say how many people were there, darling? i'd say the place was packed. had to have 15,000, 18,000 people. in one case we had 15,000 and sent away 7,000 because they couldn't get into the arena. i said you didn't see that? she said no. they focus on your face. they never show. the thing about the protesters, i thought the cameras were in a fixed position. what do i know about this stuff? except every time there was a protester screaming about something, those cameras would be like a pretzel they're turned around. i never saw anything like it. i love the protesters. we don't have many honestly but i love the protesters because if there is a protester up in that corner, the cameras would go up there and people wouldn't talk about the protester, they'd say, boy, that place was packed. that's right. because it is a movement. it is packed. but you wouldn't see.
because the press -- i have to say this -- is very, very dishonest. not all of them, but most. very dishonest. very, very dishonest. and i've never seen -- actually, i've never seen anything like it. i've seen financial press and they play games but numbers are numbers. but with this political press, it is brutal. now 25% are good. 2% are great. okay? that's not acceptable. do we agree? 2% is not acceptable but the press is very dishonest. like the camera trick. i call it the camera trick where they don't show. so what's happening and what's happening in the country is you're not getting a real picture of the silent majority which jerry senior had something to do. i think i'm going to up it a little bit. it is not so silent, it's become a noisy majority. people want to see greatness for
our country. they want to see things happen. they want to see things happen. and they're not seeing it. these politicians are all talk, they are pea no arcs. they don't get it done. what i say we're going to build a wall, they all say wall? what are you talking about? you can't build a wall. y yes, you can. yes, you can. it's simple. china. china. china. 2,000 years ago, china built a great wall of china. this is a serious wall. and they didn't have caterpillar tractors or, as we saw, komatzus because so many are coming out of japan. we have to stop that now. but they didn't have that much equipment and they built a wall. think about this. 13,000 miles long. this is a serious wall. this wall is wide. this is a serious wall. then we hear, you can't build a wall. i say, not only can i build
it -- and the guys that i'm talking to in the states are saying you can't build a wall, can you? they don't know how to fix infrastructure. our bridges and roads are crumbling. we spent $5 trillion in the middle east. and our country's going to hell. we got to bring it back. we got to knock the hell out of isis. by the way -- by the way, by the way, so i didn't want to go into iraq. but i didn't want to get out the way we got out. because what happened -- and i was always saying i've said this for years. i might have said this the last time i was here years ago. take the oil. take the oil. keep the oil! you know, in the old days, to the victor belong the spoils. to us, we go in and fight, we lose trillions of dollars, we lose thousands and thousands of unbelievable people. we have wounded warriors who i love all over the place. we get nothing. look at iraq. what do we get? nothing. iran now takes over iraq.
i always say iran made the greatest deal with 150. what a great deal. two weeks ago came to me, be that deal is nothing. they made their really greatest deal, they took every o iraq. they've been fighting for iraq f forever under different names. but they've been fighting. they were the same militarily. they'd fight and fight and fight. they go ten feet left, ten feet right, left, right, then they'd rest. then saddam hussein would drop gas and people would say it is unfair, they'd stop. the whole thing. this went on forever. and it would have gone on forever. but we decapitated one. now, so what did we give iran? we gave them $150 billion, the great deal and all that. by the way, they're going to have nuclear weapons. they don't have to develop them anymore, they can buy them, they have so much money. how about this? we see something wrong or we think there's something wrong. so we have to wait 24 days before we go in.
but before the 24 days start there's a whole procedure. who knows how long it could be. could be six months. so something's going on. but the other one is even better. because in certain locations it is called self-inspection. they have the right to self-inspect. eca we call up and say we hear you're building nuclear weapons. we're going in. no, you don't have the right but we'll self-inspect. call up, no, no, nothing's happening. oh, thank you very much. now we feel much better. these are the deals we make! sergeant bergdahl. anybody ever hear of sergeant bergdahl? we get sergeant bergdahl, a dirty, rotten traitor. six people died going after him. six people died going after sergeant bergdahl. we get bergdahl. they get five of the great killers that they've wanted for the last nine years. so we get bergdahl, a traitor, and we knew he was a traitor
before the deal, because they had a general and a colonel talking to the people that he was with. so we knew he was a traitor. who would make deals like this? who does it? obama. stand up. i like that. boy, that was very good. that was good timing. thank you. i love it. he's right. and i didn't want to say it because it is a little bit rough but if he says it, that's okay. n no. obama's a disaster. you look at our trade deals. these are deals that are the worst. we're going to lose $500 billion. trade deficits with klein. with japan, $100 billion. we're talking about $100 billion. we're talking about a year. how do you have a country and say trump doesn't believe in free trade. no, i believe in free trade but at least we break even. but how do you lose the kind of numbers. remember this he don't play by
the rules. i i love china, by the way. i deal tremendously with klein. i own a big chunk of the bank of america building in san francisco -- through china. i have apartments all over, condos, through china. so much through china. i buy -- i do great business with china. they're fantastic. they're unbelievable. in fact my daughter's here. where's ivanka. stand up, ivanka. anybody ever hear of ivanka? [ applause ] ivanka deals with china all the time and we deal with mexico and mexico's great. i have great relationships with mexico, with the mexican people. i have thousands of people from mexico and hispanic people. these are great people. they're unbelievable. but their leaders are too smart for our leaders. they're too cunning for our leaders. you look at what they're doing. not only at the border but with trade.
nabisco from chicago. no more oreos, folks. nabisco is moving their big plant from chicago, they're moving it to mexico. ford is building a $2.5 billion plant in mexico. that's not going to happen. i'm going to say, folks, we got to stop this. we're losing our jobs. we're losing our manufacturing it jobs. i go to schools, and less so here because it is so good. i gh to very good colleges and i see students and they're borrowed up to the neck. the biggest problem is they graduate, they study, they work, they do well, they get good marks. they're really wonderful, they're proud of themselves. they come out, they can't get a job. we got to create jobs. we got to bring back the jobs from china. we got to bring back the jobs from japan and all these kin countries that are ripping us off. and we're going to do that. we're going to do that. just like i say. okay. so i say who's going to build the wall, folks? you tell me.
who's going to build the wall? >> mixexico. >> mexico. everybody knows. i say that. again, they say you can't build a wall. so easy, you have no idea. the reason it is easy -- it is. for me, it is. i just built a 92-story building. when you build buildings, building a wall, it's called like give me some prefab plank. bing. and i got to make it but i really -- i have to make it look beautiful. why? because some day they'll name the wall trump wall a and i got to have it beautiful. and by the way, we want people to come in. but we want people to come in to our country legally! they'll go through a process. they'll go through a process. but one of the people i'm running against, i won't use names because we don't want to insult anybody. this is really such nice, religious people. i love it, such great
christians. i can't say bad. am i allowed to say bad in this room? no! i wouldn't say that. but the other day for the first time i heard it, one of the folks said we're going to build a wall. i said what? what's going on? i just heard him say -- nobody said that before. so they're all coming my way. you know? they're all coming my way. the only problem is they wouldn't know where to begin and it will be one of these walls. see the height of this ceiling? if you got up there, you're on the other side, you're going to be really squared coming down. this is a serious wall. we can do it for the right price and it doesn't matter. because again, don't know if you saw "saturday night live" where they said the wall. the wall, did everybody see? a lot of people saw that. but -- but, just so you understand, the reason they're going to pay and the reason it is easy -- ffor a businessman t understand this -- very easy -- mexico is making a fortune on the united states. now, china, i love them. they're great. i'm not holding it against china. they're the largest bank in the
world, chinese bank. it is a tenant of mine. . i don't hold them against them. mexico, i don't hold it against mexico. you see what's going on with the crime. i don't hold that against mexico. if they can get away with it, if their politicians can do it, i hold it against our very stupid leadership in this country. that's what i hold it against. i don't hold. against these other countries. i mean if they can get away with it, let 'em do it! i want to get away with things. i could go into story after story after story and i used to use the word would "incompetence." but it is not strong enough, you know? then i used the other word -- you know the word i'm talking about. right? i use that word and he say he's plain-spoken. my education is too good to be called plain-spoken. i wrote "the art of the deal." who has read "the art of the deal" in this room? everybody. i always say -- i always say -- a deep, deep second to the bible. the bible is the best.
the bible. the bible blows it away. there's nothing like the bible. but "the art of the deal" was about -- in fact, a few of them are right over there. but "the art of the deal" was the best selling business book and obama didn't read it and kerry didn't read it. but we can do things with our country that will be so good. but i've always used that word "incompetent." they're incompetent. now i don't care anymore. i don't care. again, i'm not being funded by these guys from wall street that own -- you call them puppets. it's true. i'm self-financing my campaign. i'm not taking funds. is that nice? so we can do what's goods for the country. in other words, we are going to do what's good for the country. and i tell people all the time -- use ford as an example. you could use nabisco. i could use 100 companies. by the way, you have a lot of corporate inversion going on which is going to be beyond
mexico. you have companies leaving the united states right now because taxes are too high and lots of other things and they're leaving -- it's called corporate inversion. it is a disaster. they're leaving for lower taxes and because they can't bring their $2.5 trillion back into the country. they just can't do it. but take ford. i use this as an example. could be anybody. could be any company that goes into other countries. but take ford going in. 2.5 billion mr. they're taking a lot of stuff out of michigan. they're closing other things and they're going to build this massive thing. who ever heard of $2.5 billion for a one-story to building? they're going to make cars, trucks and parts. the president of ford wrote me a very nice letter trying to explain it is a good thing. i said this is not a good thing. but that's okay. he wrote me a nice letter. good company be run very well. i love ford, i love shelf. i love all our products. we want to buy usa. but they wrote me, i said here
is the story. let's say if a stiff like jeb bush is president. okay? let's say jeb bush is president. low-energy person, but that's okay. let's say jeb becomes president. look, jeb is president. they'll go to him. he has $128 million that he got from donors, special interests, everybody. lobbyists. so ford will hire one of the lobbyists. look, i know this game better than anybody. i've been playing this game for a long time, folks, from the other side. i changed sides. i was total establishment. now i'm like the worst thing that ever happened to the establishment. because i understand the game! so now, they go to, let's say, jeb. they say mr. president, this is very bad thing. i agree it is bad, we have to do this, we can't allow this to happen. then he is going to get a call from his lobbyist or his special interest, mr. president, they gave you $5 million! you can't not make this deal!
well, did they? another one is going to call, mr. president, they gave you $2 million. you got to take care of ford! all right, i'll do it. that's the end. we lose the jobs and all the different things. with me, they're going to equal. by the way, hillary, just as bad, even worse. they're going to call hillary and they're going to say madam president -- by the way, i want to see a woman president soon. but not her. she's a disaster. she's a disaster. she's a disaster. just think of the corruption and the scandal. we don't want to go through it. you just don't want to go through it. we want to see winning. we want to see win, win, win. i always joke, i say we want to see win, win, win, constant winning. and you'll see if i'm president. you'll say please, bl preside m,
we're winning too much. i can't stand it. can't we have a loss? and i say no, we're going to keep winning, winning, winning because we're going to make america great again. you'll say, okay, mr. president, okay. but they'll call hillary with ford. they'll call hillary. they'll say, madam president -- she'll do the same thing because her donors gave her a lot of money and they need the money for the next election. by the way, the only time the politicians really sort of work, when they're sort of like retiring, like the gentleman over there, the congressman, he's a young guy. he retired of his own volition because he knows what's going on in washington which i have great respect for. but some of them retire, then they get a little bit tougher. but with ford, you take a look. they call trump. now it is president trump. okay? president trump. [ applause ] >> so they call president trump. and they say, mr. president, i mean you have to do this, ford has been great and wonderful. say what are they building in
mexico for? they're going to build -- remember this. cars, trucks and parts. they're going to sell them across the border. no tax. so you say, we're all smart people, how does that help us? we close plants and we open new plants in mexico and they sell -- there's no tax. so they're going to say, no, no, we're going for it. i say here's the story. if you go forward, that's fine. but, for every car, truck and whatever else you are building, you are going to pay a 35% tax every time it crosses the border. we have to or we're not going to have a country left. everyone's ripping us. everyone's ripping us. now i don't want to do that because i'm a free trader. i want free trade. but we got to be sort of like smart here, folks, because we've lost 7 million, 8 million, and some say 10 million jobs. we've lost 50,000 manufacturing plants. we're getting killed! and the quality of our jobs is
terrible. you saw that in the last report. they have this phony number. 5.2%. everybody that quits looking for a job is considered statistically a person that has a job. statistically a person that has a job. it's a phony number. your probably real number is like 22%, 23%. in fact, if you look at crowds like this, and crowds wherever i go, if we were really at 5.2%, nobody would be there although they might be there because the military is so badly run by this president. they would be there for other reasons. you wouldn't have the kind of crowds and the kind of poll numbers that we have. so i will tell ford the following. look, got to move your plant back. they'll call me, i will have a few people call me, doesn't matter because they didn't give kn me any money. they don't own me. self-funding. they don't own me. i'll say look, mr. president of ford, i'm sorry, you got to, you know, got to build over there, otherwise we are charging the tax.
he will say no, mr. president, sir. i will say do me a favor. think about it overnight, call me back. he will call me back the next day. i guarantee you 100% he will say mr. president, we have decided to build our plant in the united states. okay? that's what has to happen. has to happen. it has to happen. and again, free trade is good but we have to be smart about it. or we're not going to have a country left. so when this started, and i call it a journey, on june 16th, the escalator, has everyone seen the famous escalator, i was coming down to reporters, it looked like the academy awards. i have never seen so many cameras in my life. i sort of, you know, jerry said something that's true. he said it's very hard for somebody to run for president, very hard for somebody that's very successful. i have heard this all my life, to go into politics, especially if you're going to run for president because you're really exposing so much. you are doing deals and deals and deals, plus you don't do this. who would have known i was -- i
like the debates. i love doing debating but i never debated before. the politicians do all the time. they are all talk, no action. that's all they do is debate but they don't get anything done. on top of it, most of them are not even good debaters which is sort of amazing. you think at least they could debate properly, right? it's amazing some of the things they say it's really just incredible. but we are coming down the escalator and i said to my wife okay, we have to do it. i have just seen so many stupid things. i said we have to do it. we have got to go and we have got to do it. she said if you want to do it i'm with you 100%. she has been so supportive. thank you. i got on the escalator and we are going down, i'm waving and i'm saying wow, and i went up and i started talking about illegal immigration, and boy, did i take it for two weeks, rush limbaugh said the most --
but you can't give up. one of the things i do when i speak about success, a lot of people ask me to speak about success, just great, i love speaking about it because i can help people. one of the things, got to love what you do but you can never, this applies to so many young incredible people in this room, you can never, ever give up. you can never give up. if you give up, you are not going to make it. i have seen people over the years, i went to wharton and i know people that were phenomenal students, brilliant, but they didn't have that drive, they didn't have that stick-to-itiveness and they didn't make it like other guys that were not as good and not as smart but they had tremendous drive. those are the people that are running the country now. so you have really got to never, ever quit or give up. so i said, so important. i figured i would get out of politics for at least two sentences, right? but it's so true. just don't quit. and for you, always, always, go into a field that you love. you got to love it.
if you don't love it, you're not going to be successful. even if people say -- you got to love it. if you don't love what you do, you are never going to be successful. oh, that's beautiful. wow. i make you proud to be an american. stand up and did i ever meet you before? no. that's very nice. thank you, man. thank you. we mean it. we mean it. that's very nice. so i took a lot of incoming at rush said, great guy, lot of incoming. but i stuck and doubled down. all of a sudden you had tremendous stats coming out which were terrible but tremendous numbers and you saw the kind of crime and you saw the hate in san francisco. a woman 65-year-old veteran who was raped, sodomized and killed by an illegal immigrant and you saw the kind of horror that was
going on not only in terms of the border, not only in terms of coming in, not only in terms of drugs that are pouring across drugs which are going to ruin the fabric of our country, are pouring across the border, but also just in terms of the volume, the sheer volume. then people started to say you know, trump is right. i will say this. if i didn't talk about illegal immigration in my opening remarks, i don't even think you would be talking about it today and it's one of the most important things that anybody's talking about. one of the most important. so when it started out, i started talking about the different things. common core, very bad. >> donald trump has been speaking now for nearly an hour at liberty university, the religious conservative university. a lot to digest and to certainly challenge, including his claim that the unemployment rate is 20% in the united states and that if he is elected president we will see merry christmas in all department stores.
that's just the top of a long list of things regarding this speech. we will have full coverage, reaction to donald's speech at liberty university. of course, that's the very site where ted cruz announced that he was running for president. their heated exchange continued through the weekend. i'm certain it will continue after this latest speech from donald trump. that does it for this hour of "msnbc live." i'm tamron hall. happy mlk day. up next, "andrea mitchell reports." our cosmetics line was a hit. the orders were rushing in.
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