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plus had less major bleeding. both made switching to eliquis right for me. ask your doctor if it's right for you. 1:00 eastern, we're following breaking news right now. reunions expected in germany today for three americans freed after years in prison in iran. they are still undergoing evaluation in germany. we will have much more on this story just a moment from now, including a live interview with the wife and son of an american still missing in iran. but today, we begin with the race for 2016, now just two weeks to iowa, believe it or not, just hours after the democratic presidential candidates squared off in the last debate before the iowa caucuses, all three made the trip from charleston to columbia, south carolina taking part in the martin luther king day activities on the state
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house grounds. directly making their pitch to african-american voters. >> how wonderful it is to be here together without the confederate flag overhead. that flag always belonged in a museum, not at the state house. >> let us not look at dr. king as just an historical figure. let us look at a man who tried to transform this country. >> you look at the republican candidates for president, they seem to all want to make it easy to get a gun and hard to vote. i say we should make it hard for criminals to get guns and easy for all americans to vote. >> but it was last night's debate that really is driving today's conversation. without a doubt the most contentious democratic debate to date. hillary clinton, bernie sanders challenging each other on a series of issues, including health care and guns.
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>> well, i think secretary clinton knows that what she says is very disingenuous. i have a d-minus voting record from the nra. >> i have made it clear based on senator sanders' own record that he has voted with the nra, with the gun lobby, numerous times. there are things we can do to improve it but to tear it up and start over again, pushing our country back into that kind of a contentious debate, i think is the wrong direction. >> i have to talk about something that's actually working. >> we are going to go forward. >> as the democrats escalate their war of words on the republican side, ted cruz and donald trump could easily be mistaken for a pair of street fighters right now. that feud increasingly feisty over the weekend but in a rally a short time ago in virginia, trump held his fire. our political team is covering each and every one of these story lines for you and right now, we begin with one of the
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moderators of last night's democratic debate, that of course is andrea mitchell, our chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports." andrea, very briefly, some new numbers show that hillary clinton is really holding on to a strong lead nationally according to our latest poll, up double digits, more than 20 points, 59-34 but the race obviously a whole lot closer in the critical first two states, iowa and new hampshire. your reporting is striking today because your conversation with james clyburn, as you have said, shows that he's been stunned by the strength of sanders' ground game in south carolina. how confident is the clinton camp in their ability to halt sanders' momentum in that state? >> they say they are confident. of course she has a strong base among african-american supporters and he has not had a long or deep history politically with african-american supporters, although his roots go back to the civil rights movement. but what jim clyburn said is that when he came back home after the state of the union, he
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was surprised at the strength of sanders' organization rgs his ground game here, and he's been working it very hard. he's been doing the retail stops, the barber shops, trying to reach out to african-americans. you saw all three of them of course participating in this martin luther king day commemoration at the state capital in columbia today. this is basically hillary clinton's firewall. if he were to win iowa big and then win next door to vermont new hampshire and then he's competitive in nevada which comes next on the democratic side, the nevada caucuses, because of union strength there. then they come to south carolina and if she does not blow him away in south carolina, this is a totally different race and the democrats start looking around to see what they can do next. last night was very important and you could see why it was important or how important it was to her in just how aggressive she was in debating him. >> i was going to say, you could
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hear just by her voice it was a loud debate as you witnessed first-hand. it was contentious, one of the other areas where sanders and clinton really clashed was on the issue of wall street. i want to play part of that exchange and get your thoughts. >> secretary clinton and you're not the only one so i don't mean to just point the finger at you, you have received over $600,000 in speaking fees from goldman sachs in one year. >> senator sanders, you are the only one on this stage that voted to deregulate the financial market in 2000 to take the cops off the street, to use governor o'malley's phrase. >> another one of the fiery back and forths there. hillary clinton really never put to rest that criticism of her receiving so much money for speeches from wall street, did she? >> well, her problem is that she does have a plan, she can talk about how tough it is, that she goes after shadow banks like aig and lehman brothers which she
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claims and some experts agree was more responsible for the collapse than the big banks, but that does not resonate as easily with young and progressive voters who are primed to dislike wall street and be suspicious. he is playing to his own strengths, especially in iowa. >> wall street and washington sort of synonymous right now in this outsider campaign era. andrea mitchell, full day ahead of you. see you on "nightly news." watch "andrea mitchell reports" weekdays at noon eastern right here on msnbc. my colleague kristen welker joining us now from charleston, south carolina. you had a good front row seat for this debate as well. in the face of this fierce challenge from sanders, clinton is really casting herself as the candidate of continuity, in effect essentially embracing president obama's legacy, offering a third obama term, but as we have been talking about, this is a particularly significant strategy in south carolina with such a large population of african-americans
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that overwhelmingly like the president. do they feel confident that they can maintain that group? >> reporter: well, the clinton campaign feels very confident. they have been putting a lot of work, building up a very strong ground game, as andrea was talking about, here in south carolina, but peter, you can't underscore the point enough, secretary clinton more aggressively than we have ever seen her before, hugged president obama, put both arms around him on a whole host of issues from wall street to guns to health care. so we are getting a glimpse of her strategy moving forward, her campaign officials telling me they have always been building a plan b, c and d in case that scenario that andrea was talking about does occur, in case she were to lose new hampshire and iowa, they would really need a big win here in south carolina, but also nevada and peter, she has been stumping very aggressively in the super tuesday states. they feel like they are out ahead and the polls indicate that but as you say, the
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question is, to what extent will bernie sanders pick up momentum if he does win those first two voting states. that's the question. but there's a lot of focus on south carolina right now for sure. >> you could hear the urgency in her voice cranking up the volume throughout that debate. kristen welker also in charleston today, thank you very much. we have been asking you to weigh in on today's microsoft pulse question. can hillary clinton win the democratic nomination without iowa and new hampshire. that would certainly change the race. you can respond at pulse.msnbc.com. we will share your responses a little bit later in this show. we turn now to the republicans, where donald trump wrapped up an event at liberty university in lynchburg, virginia, courting the critical evangelical vote. he didn't directly mention senator ted cruz in his remarks. remember, cruz launched his campaign there. instead, trump saved his harshest criticism for president obama and hillary clinton.
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>> we want to take the country back. the country is disappearing. you look at the kind of deals we make, you look at what's happening, our country is going in the wrong direction and so wrong and it's got to be stopped and it's got to be stopped fast. we can't go another four years. i know that maybe hillary will be here and if she is, you can play this back, we can't have another four years of barack obama, we can't have another four years of hillary clinton. >> the bottom line is today's event comes on the heels of a weekend where these two rivals sort of tossed out the mr. nice guy. here's some of their bitter exchanges on the sunday morning shows. >> but he's a nasty guy. nobody likes him. nobody in congress likes him. nobody likes him anywhere once they get to know him. he's a very -- he's got an edge that's not good. >> he explains that his views were that he was very pro-choice, he supported partial birth abortion, he was open to gay marriage and his explanation for all of that, he said m a new yorker, i'm from manhattan. >> let's bring in nbc's hallie
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jackson, now in concord, new hampshire. hard to keep track bouncing all over that state right now. donald trump's going to be holding a rally there a little bit later this afternoon. we know that trump wasn't expected to take aim at cruz at liberty specifically. i anticipate or we anticipate we will likely see a different tone when he gets to new hampshire this afternoon, 3:30, when that takes place. what are you hearing from the voters there and what is their reaction to this feud right now? >> reporter: you know, so far this morning, as we have talked to folks around new hampshire, and our travels through the state, the attitude seems to be anecdotally hey, politics as usual. people here particularly in new hampshire where they are used to seeing a lot of presidential candidates understand that attacks seem to be anymore part of the political game. that said, there are some risks that trump could run into if he continues to hit cruz. as you know, some influential conservative radio hosts have warned trump that continuing on this line of attack against cruz could potentially backfire but i spoke with a republican strategist a few minutes ago who pointed out that trump has in
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his view a bigger megaphone than these conservative hosts, so would have a bigger platform to push this message. on the one hand, the cruz campaign, i can tell you, feels that donald trump is growing more unpredictable, more out of control. they are questioning whether those are characteristics voters particularly in new hampshire and iowa want in a commander in chief. on the other hand, trump has a way of getting at the core vulnerabilities of candidates. when he talks about ted cruz being unlikable, being a nasty guy, this plays into the perception that some have that voters have of ted cruz's perception in washington being somebody who is on the outs with the rest of leadership there. that may or may not hurt cruz when it comes to the primary here and the caucuses in iowa but it's something to watch as these two make no pretense anymore of being friends. >> i have been struck by the conversations you and i both in south carolina last week. you talk to cruz supporters, lot of them say one of the things they like about him is he's been sort of hands-on on donald trump, been above the fray, as it were. now as these two dive into it -- >> reporter: i'll tell you, i
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asked ted cruz that this morning in new hampshire. donald trump says you are hated by everybody, is he right. cruz refused to get into it. he said hey, i'm not going to get into the personal attacks. that said, it's kind of one of those non-response responses. because at the same time, the campaign is pushing a lot of information trying to portray donald trump as simply too liberal for the conservative party. something that trump's pushing back on now. >> no doubt he's selling that strategy well right now. hallie jackson in concord, new hampshire, thank you very much. we will follow breaking news this afternoon as well. the americans freed after years in prison in iran. up next, we will take you live to germany where three remain in treatment at this hour. we will speak with the family of a former fbi agent still missing in iran. robert levinson's wife and son will join me live right after this break. ere's only one egg that just tastes better. so fresh from the farm. delicious. perfect. only one egg with more great nutrition... like 4 times more vitamin d
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we just received new photos from the family of one of the u.s. prisoners coming back to the u.s. from iran at this hour. the family of amir hekmati sent these photos. hekmati is a former u.s. marine. this is the first time the family has met with hekmati since his release. hekmati and two of the other prisoners released by iran this weekend are in germany right now en route to the united states. that includes the "the washington post" tehran bureau chief, jason rezaian, whose brother spoke with the "today" show earlier this morning. >> i have spoken to him twice on the phone. he's been upbeat and positive. he knows he's got some work to do to get back. he's been living off of iranian state tv which is not exactly the best source of information, and so he's really looking forward to understanding what's going on in the world and getting back out there.
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>> the prisoners were swapped for u.s.-held prisoners the same day as implementation of the iran nuclear agreement. today, iran boosted its oil output but also denounced a new set of u.s. sanctions aimed at 11 individuals and companies said to have been involved in iran's ballistic missile program. the agreement boosts iran's coffers, making many american allies in that region nervous, of course. this morning, secretary of state john kerry appeared on msnbc's "morning joe" to try to allay those concerns. >> what would you say to our allies in israel and across the middle east to let them know that this actually is in their best interests as well as iran's best interests in the long run? >> they are safer today. the world is safer today. and the question now is will we be able to work together with our allies to deal with the other issues of concern with
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respect to iran and there are other issues. >> we have got the story covered from both angles, a report on the prisoners as well as the reaction from the family of one american who is still unaccounted for. nbc's keir simmons in landstuhl, germany, give us an update on the prisoners as well as helping us answer a question which is why only three of them are returning. >> reporter: yeah. well, that picture that you showed was taken just in the last hours or so of amir hekmati reunited with his sister, his brother-in-law. one of the others you can see is his congressman who i just spoke to. you know, he said that he has never seen the family so happy. he has been in contact with them over this very very difficult time. he says he just was stunned by how happy they seemed. he spoke to amir for the first time, he says you know, look, he's going to need help, he's
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going to need easing through this, but he really does appear to be doing well. at the same time, we are hearing extraordinary story about the tense 24 hours as jason rezaian of the "washington post" waited to get on board that plane, too. he wasn't -- looked as if he wasn't going to be able to bring his wife and his mother with him. tense negotiations followed, we are told, and that may be why there was such a delay. finally, three of that family got on the plane. as you mentioned, though, there was another freed american who did not get on the plane, chose not to leave iran. we don't know why. perhaps he just didn't want the attention. he is after all now a free man. >> plays out like the scene from "argo" the final moments before they left iranian air space. keir simmons in landstuhl, germany, thank you very much. one american believed to be in iran remains unaccounted for. he is robert levinson, retired
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former agent for the fbi and dea. he went missing in iran close to a decade ago, in 2007. on sunday, president obama mentioned that the u.s. still holds out hope for the return of mr. levinson. >> iran has agreed to deepen our coordination as we work to locate robert levinson missing from iran for more than eight years. even as we rejoice in the safe return of others, we will never forget about bob. each and every day, but especially today, our hearts are with the levinson family and we will not rest until their family is whole again. >> iran has consistently denied knowing anything about robert levinson's disappearance and the iranian government has offered to help search for him. we are joined right now by christine and dan levinson, robert's wife and his son. i very much appreciate your time. christine, can you give us a better understanding of just what this moment felt like to witness these prisoners being released but know that your husband would not be coming home? >> it was very difficult.
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we had not even been told that this was about to happen. i found out on tv saturday morning after a phone call from my daughter, and i had no information about this, and i was shocked, disappointed and i felt betrayed by them, because they had not done anything to get bob home. >> dan, what are your feelings about how the government has handled the situation with your father? >> well, i can say that my family and i were just devastated with what's gone on. we are very happy for these other families. just seeing those pictures, i testified before congress last summer with these family members and they are wonderful people and we couldn't be happier for them. but our father has been held for almost nine years and we have been promised, what president obama promised yesterday, he will continue to do everything to get my father home and we can only hope that he means it and that they are going to follow through on it, because we have heard this before. they have had almost nine years
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between two u.s. presidential administrations and it's just -- we are just tired of hearing this and not seeing results. he's not with us. he's been living a nightmare. he's been over there for -- away from everybody he knows and loves. he just doesn't deserve this. it's just so heartbreaking that he's not home yet. >> christine, your last direct contact as i understand it was back in march of 2007. does the return of these u.s. prisoners give you in any sense renewed hope of your husband's return? >> i always hope for bob's return. every day of my life, i hope that today will be the day that he returns home and of course, that hasn't happened in nine years. but i don't think these people returning to their families changes the fact that we need to work harder to get bob home. the united states government needs to do more to get bob
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home. >> when you hear the conversations on the campaign trail right now about different ways to handle iran, do you believe, dan, that were the situation, were this nuclear agreement negotiated in a different way where we tried to strong-arm iran that would better secure his return or do you believe this is our best avenue? >> i do believe that they should be using -- we were always in favor of engagement with iran because for the first few years there were no talks whatsoever. so we do think that engagement is good. this nuclear deal, i had feared that we had squandered all of our leverage when we made that deal and there was no way to get him out, and whatever was left, i think it's pretty disheartening because that was a really big swap that they did the other day. i don't know -- i don't know what we can do now to get my dad home. i don't know what the u.s. government can do. saying they want to coordinate to help locate him is just not enough. honestly i think that's b.s.
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because the iranian government knows exactly where he is. he went missing on a small island. my mom and i went there in december of 2007. he went missing and the airport between his hotel where we were staying and the airport's a five-minute drive. there is only one entrance in and out of that airport. they know exactly where he is. it's impossible for the government with such a security system in place to not know. it's not about locating him. it's about just bringing him home. what needs to be done to bring him home. i just don't know anymore. >> dan, acknowledging it's unclear exactly what access to information your father may have right now, were he able to hear your plea right now, what would you say to look into that camera, what would you say to your father if he could hear your voice? >> dad, we are never going to give up. no matter what, we are going to get you home. it's going to take -- it's taken a long time but we are just going to do what needs to be done. we are never going to go away. we are never going to give up. we are going to keep pressing
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your case every day. >> christine and dan levinson, we very much appreciate the hard time you are experiencing and appreciate you spending time with us today. thanks very much. later on in this show i will be speaking to sarah shaurk, a former prisoner in iran. that will come up at 1:30 eastern time. new developments today in the investigation into the escape and recapture of el chapo. new comments from actor sean penn on his secret meeting with the drug lord. we will take you live to mexico, next. here in the city, parking is hard to find. seems like everyone drives. and those who do should switch to geico because you could save hundreds on car insurance. ah, perfect. valet parking. evening, sir. hello! here's the keys. and, uh, go easy on my ride, mate. hm, wouldn't mind some of that beef wellington... to see how much you could save on car insurance, go to geico.com. ah! (car alarm sounds)
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into orbit, but when it landed, it apparently broke off one of its landing legs, causing the rocket to tip over and as you witnessed, explode. a successful ocean landing would have marked the second milestone for spacex one month after it nailed that space flight first with a successful ground landing in florida. developing now, new details surrounding sean penn's secret meeting with the drug lord joaquin el chapo guzman. the oscar winning actor is speaking out for the first time since his "rolling stone" article was published. penn said in a "60 minutes" interview that he's disappointed that the discussion following his interview with el chapo ignored what he says was its primary purpose, to focus on policy in the war on drugs. >> let me be clear. my article has failed in that everything that's spoken about is everything but what i was trying to speak about. >> we are also hearing from el chapo's attorneys who, according to the "new york times" are citing donald trump in their
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extradition defense. we want to bring in nbc's jacob rascone. what else has sean penn revealed in what was really sort of a stunning interview? >> reporter: yeah. sean has been criticized for this interview because of avoiding a lot of the difficult topics. here's somebody el chapo, whose cartel is blamed for tens of thousands of drug-related deaths and of course, billions of dollars worth of drugs smuggled into the united states, and you didn't hear about a lot of that. sean penn counters by saying well, i wasn't there for that, i was there for joaquin el chapo the man and that's what i wanted to talk about. take a listen. >> you've got to look at this person as a person. if all we aim to understand is that this is a very bad person, then let's not understand anything else.
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>> reporter: so he says that's the way that he wanted to approach it. he thought that if he was able to reveal el chapo, the man, then he could start a conversation about the war on drugs in which american, a lot of policy in mexico as well, is to target the kingpins. of course, that didn't happen. that's why he says his article failed. he talks about other things but that was really the main substance there, that he wanted to approach it differently. he's taken a lot of criticism for that and that his article failed. >> from mexico with the latest on that story, jacob, thank you very much. up next, much more on the race for 2016. nbc's olivia sterns joins me to fact check some of the claims and accusations made during last night's democratic debate. plus what singer cher did to help the people of flint cope with the water crisis in their community. we will take you live to michigan coming up. in ultra str, dude. cleans so well... ...it keeps your underwear cleaner.
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before sunday night's debate, senator bernie sanders made headlines by unveiling his plan for a universal single payer health plan. that plan would mean a tax hike for wealthy and middle class families, but senator sanders says there would be savings elsewhere as he explained last night to nbc's andrea mitchell. >> the result would be that that middle class family would be saving some $5,000 in health care costs. little bit more in taxes, do away with private health insurance premiums. it's a pretty good deal. >> we want to bring in msnbc business and tech correspondent olivia sterns, who will try to help break this down for us. if you were listening to this debate last night, there were plenty of fireworks, some including this topic more complicated than others. help us out here to understand where the real facts lie. >> what he's saying is his health care plan is going to cost you a little more money up front but he promises it will save you and working families money in the long term.
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what it is, he calls it medicare for all. it's a single payer system. it's a lot like what we already have in england and canada. he says his plan will save $6 trillion in health care spending over the next ten years compared to what we already have now which of course is the affordable care act, better known as obamacare, to fund his health care man. he is going to introduce two new taxes, these are a tax on individuals, a 2.2% premium tax, basically a progressive income tax, and also, a 6.2% payroll tax that employers are going to have to pay. conservative economists will tell you that employees end up paying that but nonetheless, these are the two new taxes. he also plans to raise your income tax bracket overall so if you are making between a quarter million dollars and half a million dollars per year, your tax rate is going to go up to 37%. if you are lucky enough to be making more than $10 million, your tax rate is going to go up to 52% which does sound like a lot. but again, over $10 million. so here's what he says this will
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do to your average american family. he says right now the average american family is paying $5,000 in premiums, about $1300 in deductibles. under his plan, he says that this north of $6,000 figure is going to go down to just $466. pretty incredible if it actually works. of course, this does open him up to criticism that he is actually going to be costing working families more money up front and that is some criticism that senator clinton or secretary clinton also seized on last night. take a listen. >> i'm the only candidate standing here tonight who has said i will not raise taxes on the middle class. i want to raise incomes, not taxes. >> and as for secretary clinton, she's planning a couple new taxes to fund her plans. first of all she's embracing the buffett rule which calls for a minimum rate of 30% tax on those earning more than $2 million and she also says income rates will go up as well. back to you.
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>> olivia, thank you very much. that leads us to today's pulse question, specifically about hillary clinton. as the democratic front-runner comes off that heated debate with berniened saers two weeks from the iowa caucuses, here's what we are asking. can clinton win the democratic nomination without both iowa and new hampshire? here's a look at the scoreboard. here's your early responses. you can see right now, 40% saying yes. 60% saying no. obviously a win in iowa for bernie sanders would entirely change the conversation. we hope you will keep this conversation going. that's pulse.msnbc.com. another major story we are watching on this monday, turning to the water crisis in flint, michigan. governor rick snyder firing back at criticism leveled against him over his handling of lead contaminated waters, including an attack from hillary clinton. snyder says clinton is politicizing this issue. the topic of course was addressed during last night's
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debate when clinton called out snyder for in her words, quote, acting as though he didn't really care. >> we've had a city in the united states of america where the population which is poor in many ways and majority african-american, has been drinking and bathing in lead-contaminated water. i'll tell you what. if the kids in a rich suburb of detroit had been drinking contaminated water and being bathed in it, there would have been action. >> over the weekend, president obama declared a federal emergency sending fema to deliver bottled water, filters and test kits there. some celebrities are also stepping up, including the pop icon cher. on saturday, cher and water company icelandic glacial are partnering to send more than 100,000 bottles of water to flint.
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msnbc national reporter tony dicopo is joining me from flint. what more is the republican rick snyder telling us? >> reporter: the governor hitting back at his critics but the critics are getting louder by the day. it's not only hillary clinton but bernie sanders, in an interview with the detroit free press called the situation here in flint one of the greatest public health disasters in modern american history. very strong words. he went further than clinton in fact and called for the governor to resign. people here are saying the same thing. governor snyder has initiated a state of emergency. he's gotten the support from president obama and there are about 16,000 homes so far here in flint that have been visited by emergency workers delivering water, delivering filters. however, 16,000 is not that much in a town of 15,000 homes, according to the census. in this area where we are, this is ward five. now, we have a map i would like to show you. it shows a red zone through the middle of flint. that area is the hardest-hit, most heavily affected area. samples as high as 50% of the homes showing lead in the water and the children here, the young
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children under 6, the percentage of them with lead in their blood tripled and at least doubled across that red zone. we talked to residents here, more than half a dozen. none of them have seen emergency workers. now parents are wondering what's going to happen to my children. for the last year they have been drinking this water. one mother in particular we talked to, here's what she had to say. >> it's upsetting, you know? i got two little ones, you know, that's getting ready to go to school. i got to think five years from now that anything at any point can mess with their brain or alter them in a way. i don't want them to grow up like that. >> reporter: one of the devious things about lead is it takes three to five years before these children who have been exposed are going to start showing symptoms. that could be learning disabilities, it could be behavioral problems. we talked to a father who says every morning he looks in his children's eyes and tries to see if he's noticed a difference. >> as a new parent, that is painful to hear what's been happening in flint, michigan.
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tony, thank you very much. also today what lies ahead for the americans freed in the prisoner swap with iran. what's next as they prepare to return to the u.s.? i will speak about that and much more with a woman freed from a prison in 2010 after unwittingly wandering into that country while on a hike years ago. she joins us next. that plow the data, dig up clues, create opportunity, and weave messages that lead to sales. these are the hands of pitney bowes, the craftsmen of commerce. these are the hands, the hands that drive commerce, that build business across borders. these are the hands of pitney bowes, the craftsmen of commerce.
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what president rouhani said the other day is in fact going to be made real. can it be built on. he said he thought this was a moment for change. we now need to explore that. >> right now we want to bring in the former iranian preside rara sarah shourd. sarah, i very much appreciate your time. thanks for being with us today. you were held in the same prison as the americans who were released that we are speaking about right now. give us the sense, what can you tell us what it is like transitioning from being imprisoned to being free, what that experience was like and what they are going through right now. >> well, it's completely overwhelming. i mean, i'm pretty sure jason and amir and saeed had some intimation that this was a possibility because they knew about the nuclear deal. i know they have had some contact with their families so
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they have probably just been on pins and needles for the last several months knowing that to the very last minute, the whole thing could just be canceled and ruined and they would end up back in those prison cells with no end in sight, no idea what's going to happen next. so i'm sure they are experiencing incredible elation and excitement and just a million thoughts just streaming through their minds. >> that elation and excitement is in such stark contrast to what i know is how you described your experience in that prison. i was watching some old conversations where you spoke about coming out to the courtyard to meet with your now husband, then fiance, of course, and your friend who was hiking with you at that time, that you would be in tears and the three of you would effectively hold hands. take us into that prison. what are the conditions like there? what was your experience like in that awful place? >> well, all of us spent long periods in solitary confinement.
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i was in solitary the entire time, over a year that i was held as a political hostage by the iranian government, and solitary confinement is something almost impossible to describe. losing everything you love, not knowing if or when you will ever get it back, from being able to see a tree to being able to have human touch, when you are in that state of intense anxiety and uncertainty and stress and fear, people need other people. we are just not wired to cope with that kind of isolation. so it takes a very harsh toll on your mind and body. there were times that i completely lost control, screaming and beating at the walls of my cell. i stopped eating for days at a time. >> how big was that cell when you were in isolation? >> i think around 12 by 10 feet. bigger than the isolation cells in u.s. prisons that i have seen, just to add that to complicate things. solitary confinement no matter
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where it takes place, it's a brutal kind of psychological torture that's been deemed torture by the united nations. the united nations says two weeks can cause permanent brain damage. in the most extreme cases. these men have just been through so much. >> you look terrific. we are so glad to see that you are well. please share our best with your husband and your friend, and we certainly are wishing the best to the families of those returning home at this time as well. thanks very much. the "washington post" right now is just posting a new photograph, this is of jason rezaian, the "washington post" reporter. he is here with his family. our first opportunity to see the family members reunited with jason. this of course is being provided to us by martin baron, one of the executives over at the "washington post" who for the last 18 months has worked diligently to try to return home jason rezaian. our first look at the moment of happiness for a family reunited.
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know people have raised questions about, you know, some of the dramatization. i testified for more than 11 hours as you know. i answered every question that i was asked. >> too busy campaigning, why hillary clinton said she's in the seen the movie. joining me is columnist and entertainment reporter joe consha. donald trump rented out a theater in iowa to show this film. the chairman of the party reince priebus tweeted about the film. not even a single mention of libya last night in the debate. i'm curious take. how much will this play to motivate republican voters?
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>> you're right about that, peter there's no more polarizing word than benghazi. two things happen f. you're a republican and you believe that hillary clinton and or barack obama, president obama, was responsible for four deaths of americans including an ambassador, you went and had your beliefs validated. if you vote democratic, you probably heard benghazi in the title and automatically went to the other line where "ride along 2" was playing. this will not have much of an impact. it finished fourth behind "ride along 2," and "the rev ranenanr" another polarized type of scenario. >> to be clear, 2014 congressional report concluded that there was no stand down order as some have suggested. former officials flatly deny that. hillary clinton tried to dismiss questions about this film this
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weekend. you heard her response earlier saying she was too busy campaigning. have the answers do you think been adequate? obviously the people in the middle who still remain undecided in the case of a general election who have the potential to be swayed. >> the joke on tweeter this weekend is, "13 hours," the amount of hillary clinton testified before the committee? she responded that, hey, look, it is a movie. it is only fiction and move on to more or not things and handled it well. this movie given that not a lot of people saw it relatively won't have a big impact on the general election. not a lot of people concerned about benghazi. they're not in the general public. >> joe, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. nice to see you. >> thank you, peter. we'll take you back to south carolina. democratic candidates taking this date to honor martin luther king jr. at the site of one 0 of last year's most horrific mass
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good afternoon to you. i'm peter alexander in today for my friend thomas roberts. we'll start with the countdown to iowa now exactly two weeks away. just hours after the gloves came off between hillary clinton and bernie sanders in that debate, that democratic debate. the candidates participating in an event at the state capitol honoring martin luther king jr. >> we are all diminished by racism and bigotry and injustice. no matter who we are, whether we know it or not. >> what dr. king said is, we have got to combat racism but we have also got to combat income
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and wealth inequality. >> dr. king said, change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability but comes through continuous struggle and that struggle is ours. >> and on the republican side, all the attention is still focused on the feud between donald trump and ted cruz. this escalating war of words reaching a fever pitch this weekend. but this morning at liberty university in virginia, trump held his fire in an effort to try to court that critical base of evangelical voters. >> we are going to protect christianity. and i can say that. i don't have to be politically correct or -- we're going to protect it. >> we begin this afternoon with a republicans and nbc's hallie jackson joining us from concord, new hampshire. good to see you. trump did not mention cruz at his event early at liberty university. i imagine a lot of people anticipating that may change getting to where you are in new hampshire this afternoon. >> reporter: especially if past
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is precedent, peter. we have heard trump bring cruz up at the rallies over the weekend. they're doing the sound check on the stage behind me. set to arrive in hour and a half and begin the speech so, yeah, it wouldn't be surprising at all to hear him hit ted cruz. trump did this saturday at a tea party event in south carolina and booed going after ted cruz and this idea cruz took money from goldman sachs. if you know one thing about trump, he doesn't love getting booed for not having the audience eating up what he's talking about so let's see sort of how he plays it this afternoon. not surprising he didn't bring it up at liberty. that's a different crowd. going after the evangelical crowd, trying to pry that support away from cruz. this, though, this is like trump's wheelhouse. right? big high school rally. big auditorium. here in new hampshire ahead in the polls by double digits. so we'll see if he tosses the
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crowd some red meat. >> rush limbaugh today criticized donald trump saying he is making in limbaugh's words, quote, a strategic mistake going after ted cruz as a nasty guy. is there a sign that the trump campaign is hearing from calls of conservatives? mark levin over the weekend saying something not too dissimilar and excuse my language, cut the crap. >> reporter: you're hearing the radio hosts, influential voices issue the warning shots at donald trump. trump is a guy who does what he wants, right? he is somebody who's not followed much conventional wisdom coming to sort of big picture campaigning although he followed in iowa and new hampshire the traditional ground game. we have to see how trump responds to some of these radio hosts' perspectives here. most important thing for trump is not necessarily winning support of the limbaughs and levins of the world but the
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polls and being able to stand up on a stage and tout the lead and until we see movement there, peter, you may see trump steady as it goes. >> mind you, chris christie coming to trump's defense calling the new york values attack from ted cruz asinine right now and so it goes two weeks out. hallie jackson in new hampshire, thank you very much. we turn to the democrats where last night's final democratic debate of hillary clinton and bernie sanders before the iowa caucuses most spirited so far of this cycle. nbc's kristen welker joining us from charleston, south carolina. she is on the trail with hillary clinton again today. kristen, what were really the main issues of contention between the two candidates right now? obvious that hillary clinton wanted to cast this issue of guns as it real dividing point but that wasn't it. >> reporter: that's right. guns and health care were really the two most con ten vous issues peter. guns because senator sanders
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just a day before the debate reversed himself and announced that he no longer supports giving immunity to gun manufacturers. secretary clinton saying that that was a flip flop and also indicating that he's still not tough enough on agains and then this issue of health care. before the debate, sanders released the pay for plan for medicare for all health care plan. senator clinton said he wants to get rid of obamacare, increase taxes on middle class americans. take a listen to some of the contentious exchanges. >> well, i think secretary clinton knows that what she says is very disingenuous. i have a d-minus voting record from the nra. >> i have made it clear based on senator sanders' own record he has voted with the nra, with the gun lobby, numerous times. >> we can do things to improve it but to tear it up and start over again, pushing our country
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back into that kind of a contentious debate, i think is the wrong direction. >> i have to talk about something that's actually working. in our state. >> governor -- >> tearing this up. we'll go forward. >> reporter: and that final exchange there, peter, was about health care. so, you're getting a preview of how heated the attacks are going to be in these final two weeks before the iowa caucuses. bernie sanders really on the defense last night, a lot of people saying the bernie sanders debate because he had to explain some of these late-breaking decisions that he had made and he did so in a very robust way. one more point to make, peter, strategically, secretary clinton hugged president obama last night, almost every policy issue trying to send a message to the democratic base and minority voters, of course, a lot of them here in south carolina she stands with president obama and could believe an effective strategy in a state like south carolina where 60% of democratic
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voters are african-american. peter? >> stunning that either one of the two have a voice left today. kristen welker, we appreciate your time today. like donald trump, bernie sanders even used the recent poll numbers to try to move his popularity with the democratic base. her's what saunders said. >> secretary clinton well knows when this campaign began she was 50 points ahead of me. we were all of 3 percentage points. guess what. in iowa, new hampshire, the race is very, very close. >> he's exactly right. we have been asking you to weigh in on today's pulse question. here it is again. can hillary clinton win the democratic nomination without iowa and new hampshire? previous update showed 50% voted yes. a lot closer to even. split down the middle at this time. joining us now from the site of last night's debate, "the washington post's" anne guerin.
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you mentioned that sanders spent a lot of the night on the defensive. in effect, the bernie sanders debate, right? this was a critical moment for the vermont senator. >> yes. this debate was much more about bernie sanders than it was about hillary clinton. hillary clinton remains the national front-runner here in south carolina. she's very much favored, very much ahead. but this is his surge moment. he is surging in iowa and that will be the first test in just two weeks from today. all eyes will be on iowa. and she was very focused on trying to put him on the back foot. i think she did that in large measure particularly as kristen discussed with you just a moment ago on the issues of guns and health care and taxes related to health care. but he actually got in a lot of digs at her, too. >> yeah. >> he made her -- yeah, he really made her have to kind of start over a few times and not say what it appeared that she
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had prepared as set piece responses once or twice. he was judged the winner of the debate by many commentators and social media. but i think she got done what she needed to get done and make it look like he was on the defensive and having to explain himself quickly. >> i'm struck by the competing strategies here. you have a contest and the continuity candidate is hillary clinton. embracing the legacy of brahara oba obama. 45% of democratic voters prefer experience in 2016 and just 40% want change and gop side, 78% want change and 20% experience. if hillary clinton is to win and to get the democratic nod, she has a real challenge in the general election casting herself as a third obama term and not wanting to make real change. >> absolutely. it's a really good time to be an
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insurgent in the political environment and her main point of the realm is that she is experienced and tested. and she's trying to make that argument at the same time as she is trying to say that saunders doesn't have those things yet. she'll have to turn that around in the general election and be able to say she has not only the experience but sort of the -- she can be the change agent that people are clearly looking for. >> anne gearan in south carolina, so happy for the "the washington post" community jason rezaian is let out today. pass on our oes best to the post. >> thank you. long awaited reunions for americans freed from iran. a report as we noted from germany undergoing reintegration and speaking a congressman part of the u.s. delegation welcoming them home. plus, a new report on the state of policing in this country. and the increasing dangers
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we are excited to get them all home and when something good happens we shouldn't immediately revert to partisanship and say it's all president obama's fault. i think that's a mistake. >> that, of course, the u.s. senator and presidential candidate rand paul of kentucky on "morning joe" today. he's one of the few republicans who has been outspoken in the praise of the deal that led to the release of the five men held in iran over the weekend. a short time ago, we got new pictures of one of those american prisoners.
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this is amir hekmati meeting with his family for the first time. you can see the relief in his eyes. with him, of course, the democratic congressman dan kildee of michigan working with the hekmati family. they're from flint, michigan. three of the five released are now in germany and on route to the united states including "the washington post" correspondent jason rezaian whose brother ali in germany and said this to the "today" show today. >> i have spoken to him on the phone twice. he has work to do to get back. he's been living off of iranian state tv which is not exactly the best source of information. and so he's really looking forward to understanding when's going on in the world and getting back out there. >> just a short time ago, three u.s. congressmen gave an update on the status of the three
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american men applauding the diplomacy that led to their release. >> the negotiations that took place were fruitful and it does send a strong message to the rest of the world. but to me that message is that diplomacy, talking to one another is a far preferable avenue than what we have seen take place in the last couple of decades, and i support it an i applaud it. >> and nbc's keir simmons joining us from landstuhl, germany. this has to be a momentous day for the individuals and the families, as well. give us a sense what we're learning about the health of these men. >> reporter: hey, peter, yeah. momentous and emotional and hearing that jason reunited with his brother just in the past few hours. there's a picture of them together. they look so extraordinarily happy as you can imagine. the family members have flown here to this u.s. base in germany to be reunited with
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them. we're also hearing, by the way, peter, extraordinary stories of the tense 24 hours over the weekend as jason rezaian and the others were waiting to take off and it appeared as if the iranians were refusing to allow his wife and mother to get on board the plane. there was more negotiation, more talks until finally they were allowed to get on the plane and they all flew to switzerland where they had their first taste of freedom and then brought here. they're now undergoing a medical and psychological evaluation. it may take sometime but let's talk some more about that with congressman robert pettinger. representing saeed abedini. >> he's been under solitary confinement, enormous stress. brutal treatment. we know that.
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at least from past referrals about him. we're concerned for his emotional, mental state. that's why he is here. that is exceptional institution. great people who are here who are great caregivers and so i'm certain he'll get the kind of attention he needs. >> you're representing your constituent and you're a republican and you were hearing peter talking there talk of how much a success this is, the negotiations went well s. that the way you view it? you must be pleased that -- >> of course i'm pleased. i would take nothing from that. i think, you know, there's a time and a place to discuss all this. certainly the iranians got back seven criminals. we didn't have any criminals in iran. and i think we can discuss that later time and we have all had our thoughts about this entire iranian deal. it's going to position them in a greater strength in the future. it was no coincidence this happened on the same day. >> is it a question for you,
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though, whether it was worth the freedom of these men in having to free seven iranians who broken u.s. law? >> i have had good negotiations in my life and bad ones. i think we couldn't negotiate it better. they're home. i'm happy for the family, happy for the kids. i'm happy for them. it's a deep struggle for them. >> and now, what's the future? when can they go home? >> usually the period of time is five to ten days. that's what i'm told. we'll see how that goes. three and a half years in solitary confinement and torture is strain. we'll look at that and go home and take care of the needs there. >> congressman, thank you very much. we all look forward, peter, to that opportunity to see them heading home. back to the states and their families. >> keir simmons, thank you. congressman, thank you. we appreciate your time on this emotional and celebratory night, of course. up next, msnbc chief legal
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distinction of being the first gunned down in the line of duty this calendar year. doug barney died in utah. the suspect shot and killed. in ohio, officer thomas cattrell found shot to death overnight. a woman tipped off dispatchers her boyfriend left home looking to kill an officer. that man is in custody. ari melber is here to tell us how dangerous this past year really has been for police. every loss is terrible. but so many is really just stunning how awful it's been. >> it's been tough. we went and looked at the 39 officers ti s killed in the lin duty last year. spoke to family members, survivors, colleagues and policing experts. we heard some incredible stories. one, for example, about ricky call vez, a marine that serving in iraq and afghanistan. then came back to downing county, california. became an officer.
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his sister talked about stories they learned about him after he died. for example, he stopped one person on a traffic stop who didn't have the registration in order. the person explained that the husband died and bills piling. he went down to the office and paid that registration fee out of his own pocket. and never told anyone about it. they heard about that after his death. here's some other memories from people who knew him in their own words. >> when they told me what had occurred i couldn't believe it. i had to come out here to see it with my own eyes. >> we are hurting. you know? he was our friend as well as our colleague. >> ricky was an outstanding person, outstanding police officer. if you can mold a police officer, you would mold that police officer after ricky galvez. >> one of 39 stories of fallen officers. >> so many heroes on the streets
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we fail to thank on a daily basis. i'm curious how the statistics balance out with the other side, frankly, of this national conversation, specifically, incidents of police violence. >> we looked at that in the report and surviving family brought that up. obviously, the context on people's minds and you look at this about 965 civilians killed by police in 2015. but in the larger context, there are 698,000 law enforcement officers and according to the justice department, they had 62 million contacts with people in a given year. you compare it to nongovernment data about allegations of misconduct, about 6,600 officers facing the credible reported allegations according to the kato institute. you come up with an annual basis of 99.1% of officers not accused of conduct annually. i want to repeat that, peter. you think about the context and
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how much daily policing goes on. 99.1% of officers not accused of misconduct. and so, one thing that i heard from family members and policing experts alike is it is important to look at the problems, it is important to talk about reform and figure out ways to improve policing, but a lot of those conversations about misconduct don't reflect and the numbers bear this out, the daily work of officers. >> really important context for the conversation. thank you for that. >> thank you. also coming up after the break, more on the americans released from iran and the future of american-iranian relations. and brace for it. a hard landing indeed. we'll show you how the space-x rocket went up or i guess we should say down in flames. billy, and i quit smoking with chantix. i had a lot of doubts going in. i was a smoker. hands down, it was... that's who i was. after one week of chantix, i knew i could quit. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix reduced my urge to smoke.
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developments over the weekend. joining us now is nbc foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin. what are the implications of the iran deal for the middle east? more broadly as we consider that deal going forward. >> yeah. it will have a ripple effect for some time and a lot of skeptics out there and looking at this saying that iran now with all of this money that's going to get with the certain reemergence if you will into the global stage to continue some of the activities that the u.s. and the allies are very much concerned about. but there are still some serious divisions between the united states and iran coming to some of the pressing issues in the relation including the conflicts of syria and yemen. also some conflict inside iraq itself in terms of how they're aligning resources to fight against isis which controls big parts of iraq as well as syria and going to be a major concern among some of the u.s.'s main allies and saudi arabia and did gulf countries and concerned about iran activities in the
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region and saying when it's given the millions of dollars and expect and some of the money is suppressed with the falling oil prices, nonetheless, iran will be able to continue its activities in the region and that is going to be a major cause for those countries as well as the united states, peter. >> one of the real challenges trying to understand iran is not like there's one clear defined government right there. there's a lot of sort of divisiveness even within the political scene as it were in that country. >> yeah. and it's important to make the distinction. it has one clear government. what it doesn't have is a center of power and centers of power inside of iran. including the revolutionary guard, the supreme leader, as well as the current president and some of his moderates and you have a parliament, as well. inside that dynamic there's a constant competition for power. there's no doubt that when it comes to issues of the nuclear program and iranian national security, both the supreme leader and revolutionary guard
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are the supreme voice in the country but trying to create the liberal political space, it's a struggle going on for decades and some argue now this is a victory for president rowhani and the moderates. may strengthen their hand. peter? >> living in historic times right now. thank you very much. now joining us is reza marashi with the national iranian american council. this day is also a friend of jason rezaian. very nice to see. you congratulations to the community of jason's friends, a big one from "the post" and beyond. i just want do get a sense from you, have you had a chance to speak to jason or his family or anybody reuniting with him right now? >> not personally. his brother just got to speak with him for the first time a couple of hours ago and i imagine jason wants time to decompress and get his bearings
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straight. >> here's the picture, though sh obviously. this was shared by the family with post. our first chance to see jason. there he is in the bottom left with a big smile on his face. to witness this moment can you even describe what this feels like? >> you know, the last time i saw jason was in vienna. we were both covering the iran nuclear negotiations and that smile in that picture last sing i thank you last time i saw him. so it speaks volumes for somebody to be in the most notorious iranian prison for 545 days and the first picture on the internet is smiling ear to ear. >> that's a way a lot of friends knew him best. i want a sense of the nuclear deal that you have been covering and the implementation. what do you believe will be the most significant impact on the middle east right now as we try to wrap our hands around its potential consequences? >> well, i think that the nuclear deal is a triumph of
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diplomacy and shows problems seemingly intractable can be solved if leaders take risk for peace. president obama and president rowhani stuck their 'niqnecks o. >> a lot of americans in washington and beyond certainly the republican candidates right now insisting that this is as donald trump would say the worst deal he's ever witnessed, handing tens of billions of dollars to the iranians right now with no real guarantee they're not going to effectively use this money, these resources, to attack the united states or our greatest ally in that region, israel. >> yeah. i have heard all the criticisms but we need to put them in the proper context. one, we had a republican president for eight years that essentially punted this issue to president obama. president bush made no progress on this issue. it was president obama that did. under president bush, iran went from zero centrifuges to almost 20,000. under president obama, we have
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seen the first reductions to iran's nuclear program. the proof is in the pudding. and now, we see the benefit of sustained diplomacy. we have got american sailors released from custody in 16 hours. we have american citizens -- >> what do you make of the way the republicans handled that moment? >> i thought it was short on class to be perfectly honest with you. to criticize the president of the united states, foreign policy is supposed to stop at the borders. american citizens, politics should stop at the borders. >> should any organization, any country like iran have basically told the american troops to put their hands over their head guns -- >> no, of course not. that's where the iranian government needs to take responsibility for the actions. certainly short on class. and certainly violations of universally accepted international norms and the photos and videos leaked out after the fact. >> a pleasure to visit with you. share our best with jason and his family when you speak to them next. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you very much.
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right now, u.s. and iraqi officials searching for three american contractors kidnapped over the weekend in baghdad. reportedly by militants. michael kay is a foreign affairs analyst and a former adviser with britain's ministry of defense. you know, mikey, what do we know about the kidnappers right now celebrating the release of some americans taken? we are learning about three more who disappeared in iraq. >> hi, peter. what is alarming about this case is we don't know anything about the kidnappers. no one that's laid claim. the abductions allegedly occurred nearly three days ago now and we don't know the identities of the contractors. allegedly or reportedly, there are two men and one woman and reuters reporting that they were found in a brothel. so there's a number of alarming sort of issues around this. the security situation in baghdad at the moment or last 13 years is precarious at best. at the moment and today we see
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the iraqi government which is shia based and the iraqi security forces who are aligning with the populist forces in baghdad because their fight at the moment against the islamic state. the islamic state as we know recently kicked out of anbar province having held it for nearly a year and still fragile and the raise of the iraqi government and the populist mobilization forces right now to try to counter daesh. daesh killed hundreds in the last 6 months through ieds, suicide bombs, car bombs and that's the big ishls at the moment so it's a very fragile security environment in baghdad. there's very little information on the contractor that is have gone missing and been abducted and this is the first time that u.s. citizens targeted for many, many years. >> yeah. the state department released a statement and says we're aware of reports that american citizens are missing in iraq. the safety and security of
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american citizens overseas is our highest priority. we are working with the full cooperation of the iraqi horts to locate and recover the individuals. what can the u.s. do in a situation like this? >> i mean, there's a lot to be said for prevention is better than cure. people request the reason why the contractors in the situation. when the military go in or went in after 2003, there was some 180,000 coalition troops in baghdad during the surge but as you see withdrawal starting the happen, nation building start to occur, that's when the military is replaced by contractual vftss, the security domain, whether it be in business, oil. you have to have civilian expertise and experience come in to help nation build so i think in the future it is just about improving the security environment which as we know both in iraq and syria with the pervasive of daesh or the islamic state it's incredibly difficult to do, a political
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solution and that's the way to make baghdad hopefully secure in the future. >> again, three americans now missing in iraq and so we wait. mikey kay, we appreciate your reporting. thanks. ahead, more than half a billion brits vote to ban donald trump from entering the country. if trump wins the presidency, safe to say things could get kind of awkward. plus, hillary clinton wraps her arms around president obama's legacy, bernie sanders looks far opening with african-american voters. >> just ask the general population has become more supportive, so will the african-american community, so will the latino community. we have the momentum. we're on a path to win victory. "beth" by kiss
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entering the u.s. >> now while i think this man is crazy, while i think this man has no valid points to make, i will not be the one to silence his voice. >> when our police service and our security services are working night and day to prevent our country being attacked, and when they need the support of the muslim community, to have someone come to our shores who demonizes all of the muslim community would be fundamentally wrong and would undermine the safety and security of our citizens. and that's not a risk i am prepared to take. >> nbc's chief global correspondent is bill neely watching the story from london. across the pond, it is impressive how wide reaching the ripple effects are of donald trump's comments over the course of this campaign. >> reporter: really, peter. i think you have done him a
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service in the sense you played some of the sound bites and call add lot of names today, a buffoon, a poisonous, corrosive man, a bigot, a fool and so on. and some of that was from those who defended him or at least defended his right to come to the uk saying whatever he wants. the background is britain banned 84 people from entering the country for inciting hatred. the florida pastor terry jones who tried to organize a koran burning protest. a white supremacist, islamist preachers and so on. the petition signed by people who sought to make donald trump number 85 and ban him. the debate today was about airing that anger, there's been about mr. trump's proposal to ban muslims from the u.s. and incidentally for other remarks he's made like there are muslim areas of britain where the
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police dare not go. some of those who spoke today muslim lawmakers. they were appalled that trump would ban them from entering america. many other mps said if britain banned, say, a iz lawmakerist for hate speech, not making exceptions for a billionaire running for president and others they said invite him and challenge him. don't give him the cloak of martyrdom banning him. one said don't fuel his publicity machine even more. now, let's be clear. this debate won't result in a ban on mr. trump or even a decision on a ban. there was no vote at the end of the debate. but it is proof of a backlash against mr. trump and as you say proof of the strong emotions that he excites on both sides of the atlantic, peter. >> indeed. that's true. bill, in london for us right now, thank you very much for that. here's a story that's certainly qualifies as the video of the day. a space-x rocket successfully
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launching the climate monitoring satellite in orbit yesterday and the attempt to land on a platform at sea ended like this. so fair to ask -- what went wrong? we asked that question to msnbc senior video of video and digital content cal perry to break it down. i don't ask you to be a physicist and wasn't supposed to end like that. >> not at all. this is space-x. if we rerack it and show you what he explained on his instagram by jeff bezos saying a hook to attach to the base to keep it in place. he thinks condensation and fog prevented it from happen. they're $60 million to $90 million a piece and trying to save money on future explorations. here's what it's supposed to look like and took care of in
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december on december 21st. success. they brought it back from orbit. landed it on a platform. keep in mind, these platforms in the ocean and spay with the waves. really difficult stuff. rocket science. what can i say? >> it is rocket science indeed. that's impressive. is there any sense of how long it will be until they believe they will be able to commercialize this in some real way? what's the goal that's been set for this? >> they're already in some ways commercializing it. they're able to deliver the satellite payloads. one that exploded yesterday delivered a satellite for noaa and nasa to look at ocean levels and how they rise and fall with the melting icecaps so they're already delivering the payloads. between a year and three years hoping to bring one of the rockets back as they did in december on a consistent basis. >> thank you very much for that update. also ahead here, hillary clinton, bernie sanders and the battle to win over african-american voters coming up i'll speak to someone who helped design the strategy to mobilize that vote for president
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weak, disappointing. he even in 2011 publicly sought someone to run in a primary against president obama. >> 2008 i did my best to see that he was e leklected and in i worked to see that he was re-elected. >> your feelings toward president obama are a little strange given what you said about him in 2011. >> that was just one of the many clashes last night senator sanders and all between the vermont senator and hillary clinton. hear about how closely he embraces president obama and the agenda. significant in south carolina where the president reigns popular with democrats and african-american voters there
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propelling the run for the white house in 2008. and joining us now is rick wade, a senior adviser to president obama and the 2008 and 2012 campaigns. rick, nice to see you right now. >> good to see you again, peter. >> so as someone that helped mobilize african-american voters behind president obama you know how that fight became for hillary clinton in south carolina in 2008. that was the most nasty, divisive fight. what is the sense of what it looks like for her on the ground especially considering the reporting today of andrea mitchell that james clyburn said he is impressed and surprised by the strength of senator sanders' ground game in that state? >> well, listen. i, too, as well, have been surprised at the infrastructure that senator sanders laid across south carolina. he's talking about the right irkss, he is moving around to the colleges and universities and going to where
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african-americans are and that's how we did this in 2008 and repeated in 2012. the back vote is very critical as you know in south carolina. over 50% of the voters during the primary expected to be african-americans. so to the extent that secretary clinton can continue to get out here and talk to voters, go to the barbershops, beauty salons, the churches and talk about the issues that matter to them. income equality, jobs, that's the issues that matter the most. >> i want to play sound from killer mike, a bernie sanders supporter, what he told msnbc in the spin room last night. >> you don't win the black vote by doing a commercial and saying i supported dr. king. you win the black vote putting foot to pavement, getting the black radio, black television, hbcus and the churches and that's what he's doing. we'll see growth happen more and this is a conversation to have. >> is hillary clinton doing the necessary work to keep up with
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what killer mike says sanders is doing right now? >> well, she certainly could do more. in my guess is that as we move beyond iowa and new hampshire that all attention and efforts will be on south carolina. but you can't underestimate the need to get out there and talk to voters and talk about the issues and go to where they are. so he's absolutely right. but again, from what i'm seeing and talking to people across the state, bernie sanders now has become a force to be reckoned with. >> that's an impressive. i want to play for you donald trump who took aim at president obama yesterday saying he would be a better president for african-americans. take a listen. i'll get your thoughts. >> president obama, an african-american, has done a terrible job for african-americans. donald trump will do a great job for african-americans. i'll bring back jobs to this country from china and many other places. and i'll let people work and make a great living. i will be great for african-americans.
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>> it's true you talk to some members of the african-american community saying they're disappointed in president obama. he hasn't kept many of the promises right now. but when's your gut on what you hear from donald trump? >> well, listen, peter. it's almost laughable. you know, donald trump needs to put his money where his mouth is. he had an opportunity in south carolina in the recent presidential debate to talk to african-americans about what he could do. i didn't hear that in the debate. and so, you know, this is a matter of what are you going to do for us? what have you done for us lately? he's done nothing. president obama clearly advanced the african-american agenda and is a great inspiration for black people across america. he demonstrated that in 2008 and throughout his administration. the last thing i'll say is very fascinating during the debate last night as you have discussed hillary clinton embraced president obama using him as an extension of the work that he's done and still needs to be done will resonate very well with
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african-americans in south carolina an across the country. >> rick wade's a former advise to president obama, always good to see you. thank you for catching up. >> you bet. you bet. thank you. >> that's going to wrap it fup today's show. thomas roberts is back in this chair tomorrow at 1:00 eastern. kate snow will pick up the coverage next. ♪ (cell phone rings) where are you? well the squirrels are back in the attic. mom? your dad won't call an exterminator... can i call you back, mom? he says it's personal this time... if you're a mom, you call at the worst time. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. where are you? it's very loud there. are you taking a zumba class?
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