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has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a great taste. i don't plan on slowing down any time soon. stay strong. stay active with boost®. hi, everyone. i'm kate snow. just back from the debate in charleston, south carolina, and there is a lot to dig into today so let's start off with the news out of iran where five american prisoners freed over the weekend and the news comes as sanctions lifted on iran after the country fulfilled the commitments to scale back their nuclear program. three of the five prisoners released from in germany at this hour. "the washington post" journalist jason rezaian, amir he can that maty and saeed abedini arrived in germany yesterday. hekmati was reunited with his family, he was held in iran for
over four years. accused of aiding a hostile country. on sunday his sister spoke publicly about his release. >> i am in a fog. this is like surreal. i am still in disbelief. and honestly, everything happened so quickly that i don't think it hits me until i'm hugging him. >> another american prison er stayed in iran. secretary john kerry appealed to iran and said releasing him would be another sign of good faith. let's bring in msnbc news correspondent keir simmons in germany tracking this. a lot of smiles today. >> reporter: yeah, kate, that's right. we are getting glimpses of
uplifting scenes here. as you mentioned, hekmati, former marine who, remember, one point sentenced death reunited with his sisters and his brother-in-law. his congressman who was there to witness it says that he hasn't seen the family smile like that in the entire time he has known them. meanwhile, to this evening, we have seen jason rezaian reunited with his brother. there, too, with him with him his mother and his wife. now, we are learning extraordinary stories through the weekend of what went on, the tense negotiations because it looks as if jason was waiting at the airport to leave but then it emerged that the iranians were not going to let his wife and mom go. there were more tense talks and until finally the iranians
agreed to let them leave and you can see the delight on their faces. same time, kate, we are hearing reported in "washington post," of course, he is a reporter for "washington post," stories of just how he was treated in iran. he says he was in a 15 by 20-foot room, held at one point in solitary confinement for 49 days. so, some sobering details now beginning to come out about how these three men were treated, three of the five who were released, again, in this u.s. base behind me undergoing medical and psychological evaluation. this may take some days. it will be for them to decide when they're ready to go home and then head back to the states to be reunited with all of their family. >> all right. reporting from germany, thank you so much. let's turn to nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel in teheran, iran. this weekend, shaping up to be a
real diplomatic rikt victory for the u.s. and iran. is that how's it seen where you're standing? >> reporter: it very much is seen as a potential new page but i will say there are also concerns here. we spoke to a professor of american studies at teheran's university and he said that he was worried as he watches the political debate in the united states, he watches some of the statements coming out of the republican candidates. and he worries that what happens when president obama leaves office. will all of this be scrapped? will the diplomatic breakthrough be cast aside as a mere flirtation of the united states and iran and things go back to the way they were? a sanctions regime and very difficult for iran to trade with foreign nations, with iran feeling very much cut off. but with that lingering concern
i would say that there is a great deal of optimism and hope on the streets. we were in the main bazaar in teheran today and shopkeepers talking about increasing the inventory and more tourists including american tourists coming to this city, visiting the country. so, a mixture of concern about the future and relief that these sanctions which have been crippling the economy for really the last four years have finally been lifted. >> richard, i was wondering if there was any impact yet on the economy there. only been days but how are things doing as far as their markets, their economy? >> reporter: the government here has announced to put on an extra $500 million of barrel -- excuse me, the government here announced that it will add additional 500 million barrels of oil a day to the market. the stock market yesterday had its best day in teheran in the
last five months. the iranian currency has seen some gains ve sa v s vis-a-vis and there's changes based on expectation of future performance. the tens of billionless of dollars that are expected to be released to iran, money that had been frozen because of the sanctions, hasn't hit the economy yet. there's been a lot of talk about the amount of money that iran is supposed to receive. i was told by a u.s. official closer to 50 billion. some people thrown out 150 billion. other reports have said 100 billion. it will be 100 billion but about half of that is already committed to other exchanges, to debt, liens on it. amount of money expected to actually enter the iranian economy i'm told is about 50 billion of those unfrozen
assets. >> richard, to clarify, how many barrels was it again that they're releasing? >> reporter: i tripped up on that little bit. >> that's okay. >> reporter: the cnbc career is over. 500 million per day is what the iranian government said so an extra -- no, no. 500,000. i can't get it right. half a million. 500,000 barrels a day. >> we didn't go into the career to be mathematicians. i understand. thank you. richard engel. >> reporter: half a million a day. >> thanks so much. joining me now by phone, "the washington post" foreign editor douglas jehl who met with journalist jason rezaian earlier today. we've been talking about this case all day. douglas, nice to have you with us by phone. >> thank you. >> it must be such a happy day. we have new pictures coming in. jason smiling. older photos and showing the
new, there's the new photo of jason smiling with his wife, his mother and his brother. so nice to see him smiling. this must have been an incredibly emotional day for you. >> it really was remarkable. nine hours ago we weren't sure we would be able to see jay son-in-law at all. the doctors had said it might take sometime before he would be willing to take -- before he would be able to take the step. by the end of the day, marty baron, "the post" executive editor and i spent two hours with him in the executive room and then had a joyous dinner with jason and his family not far from here and to see the joy on their faces of this reunion is something else. >> and what were his first words to you? >> he told me last night on the phone when i asked him how he was, he said, a hell of a lotter better than i was 48 hours ago. >> yeah. i imagine. he looks thinner.
is he healthy? >> he is a lot thinner than he was. he lost a lot of weight when he was in jail. he is healthy. he was able to exercise a bit. walking around in a concrete court yard for hours at a time and kept him sane and strong he says. and he looks remarkably healthy. >> he was in solitary confinement i have heard. others talked about the psychological strain and stress from this. that might be the hard ericsson part to recover from? >> i think it might be. he felt physically good and also taking sometime to process all of this. he spent 49 days in solitary confinement but even after that he was really essentially isolated for a year and a half. he had one cellmate. he didn't share a language and really couldn't communicate and
when they left the cell, he was blindfolded at all times and a very, very small world he was living in. >> he's a writer. is he going to write about his experiences? do you expect him to return to work at "the washington post"? or write a book? >> i'm sure he'll write about it his experiences. he is looking forward to telling them. he wants to take time to figure out when and how to tell his story. and we look forward to hearing it. >> lastly, has he given you any insight into what happened to him an how this started in the first place? >> you know, i think it's as much of a mystery to jason as it's been to us throughout this ordeal. he was an acredited journalist doing nothing wrong when he was seized by plainclothes officers in july 2014 to begin all of this. i think it was clear at the outset and is clear now that he
was a political pawn in a much bigger process and it's just still an outrage and an absolute abomination that the life of an innocent man was turned upside down for so long by what turned out to be i think power politics. >> douglas, foreign editor for "washington post," will you please give jason 'his family our best here at nbc? >> absolutely. thank you. >> thank you so much for your time today. we are two weeks away from the first voting contest and political reaction pouring in over all of this news of iran and during last night's debate both hillary clinton and bernie sanders weighed in. >> iran's behavior yoin so many ways we disagree with. on the other hand, the fact that we managed to reach an agreement, something that i very strongly supported, that prevents iran from getting a
nuclear weapon and that we did that without going to war and that i believe we're seeing a thaw in our relationships with iran, is a very positive step. >> i'm very proud of the iran nuclear agreement. i was very pleased to be part of what the president put into action when he took office. they have been so far following their requirements under the agreeme agreement. but i think we still have to carefully watch them. >> let's bring in nbc news foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin. the democrats are favorable about what's happened over the past few days and certainly hearing from "the washington post" foreign editor about this reunion with jason rezaian, makes everyone feel good but there's some skepticism there, still. >> absolutely. there's definitely skeptd schism on both sides of the aisle here in the u.s. political landscape, if you will.
but to various degrees. overall, the united states and an expression heard from the obama administration, which has mistrust and verify and don't necessarily have to trust but verify what the iranians are saying coming the nuclear program and that's a cornerstone going forward as the inspectors of iaea continue their work. look. there's still major divisions between the two countries. on a whole host of issues, particularly across the region and some key conflict zones like syria, yemen and elsewhere. they don't necessarily see eye to eye on fundamental issues but as the administration was saying there's a cornerstone problem that letten the united states, certainly allies in the region. that being iran's nuclear program and what they did to try to mitigate that particular threat, not all the host of issues that remain. that's something that the republicans picked up on and the candidates with the exception of rand paul have been pouncing on the fact that they feel the u.s. got the worst end of this deal. could have been a much better deal on the nuclear framework
side as well as the release of these americans. >> and speaking of the republicans, ayman, thank you so much. you teed this right up. donald trump is in new hampshire this hour. concord high school in concord, new hampshire. just begun. we want to listen in to donald trump's event. >> we have 41-20. 41. that's a lot. i'd take 41 -- i always say i would take 41 even if we had 3 people. but when you think we have 41 and we have, like, i think when the poll was, a week ago, probably 14, 15 people. you know, they're dropping out one by one by one. i love to see them drop out. it's like -- right? my carpenter. there's my carpenter over there. the reuters poll, great poll. 42. we have been traveling between 40 and 42. but 42-12. 12. it's a big lead. we got to go all the way to blow
that lead. you hear -- sportsman. golfers, johnny, he's just looking for the clubhouse. i'm looking for the clubhouse. i wish the election were like, today. i really do. i wish the election were today. now, in some countries you can do that. you call the election. if i were president right now, i'd be calling the election. i want the election immediately. so anyway. so what's happened is we have -- and it's a day. this is martin luther king day. right? so we have -- we like that. we like that. so in south carolina, one other, 35% to 15%. and in iowa, cnn 33% to 20%. i'm leading by the way. you don't hear that. they never quote -- they never quote the cnn poll. they always like to quote polls where they're closer or whatever. i think we're going to do well and iowa will be a tremendous success. we are up there all the time. going there tomorrow and the
next day and then coming back here. you're going to see me so much in new hampshire and tired of me. keep that guy out. keep him out of here! but we have to win. you know? we have to win. i mean it's sort of interesting because i look at the different candidates and i'm starting to spend money always because i feel guilty. honestly. you know, you have a poll like that where you're 33 and 42-12. i see one 42-12. yet, somebody say why do you spend money? i have to spend because, number one, i don't want to take any chances. number two, i feel guilty a little bit. you look at bush. he spent $69 million. 69. necessary favor of common core. i'm totally against common core. you got to be against. a guy like him, weak on immigration. i say, how do you win when you favor common core? he wants your children educated through washington, bureaucrats who will make lots of money. $250,000. that's not going to happen in
new hampshire. not going to happen in iowa. it's not going to happen in south carolina. but it just doesn't make sense and then to top it off, very weak. remember, they come in as an act of love. right? they come across the border as an act of love. you can't do that. so, so doesn't work. is we'll see. but he spent $69 million. i have spent essentially nothing. almost nothing. that's what we need for our country. we need as an example -- right? right? we need like as an example on education, all very important, everybody here believes in education strongly. and we're number one in the world in spending per pupil by far. right? by far. we're so far ahead of everybody else in terms -- number two isn't even close. okay. but we're number 28 in terms of results. so we're number 28 in the world. as a country. number 28 in the world. but we're number one in spending. so in the campaign, i'm
reversed. number one by far. and i've spent the least. they had a graph the other day in "wall street journal" interesting. a big circle and they had the money spent and the result. and they said, trump is least money spent. so i'm least here. and best result. isn't that great? isn't that great? and i love telling that story because that's what we need. but the problem is, i'm going to start spending some money. i'm 37 million under budget. can you believe that? i thought i'd have -- it's true. here's the other thing. this is so important. tell your friends. i'm spending my own money. i'm spending my own money. i'm not relying on the lobbyists and special interests and all the guys to tell you local politician or whoever's running to do what i say to do. i gave you $5 million, hillary. and i want you to do what i say to do. that's what happens. that's what happens. believe me. that's what happens. hillary's raised a tremendous
amount of money from special interests and from lobbyists. jeb, every one of them. every one of them. every one of them. they've raised a lot of money and they're like puppets. believe me. they're like puppets. i always tell the story about the ford plant. they'll never do the right thing because somebody will have given them money either an owner, a shareholder or a lobbyist or a special interest and they'll never do the right thing. i talk about thnabisco. moving to mexico. ford is moving a big plant to mexico. all of these things, nabisco is taking a big plant out of chicago to mexico. what will we do? not going to have oreos. which is good. which is good. which is very good. have just a couple of things before we do some questions but it just -- we have to get it off our minds. you look at the iran deal where $150 billion, we get our prisoners back but they get far
more back than we do. they get 14 off interpol and serious people. these are seriously bad dudes on interpol. serious bad. they get access to oil. sell oil. free -- they get everything. we get nothing. we get nothing. and this is what happens. and then last week, what did we see last week? the sailors. ten sailors. they get -- what happened? no. how bd was that? did you see it? so they're put in a begging position with their hands up, guns to their head. over nothing. and instead of let's fix your engine, a big deal. they had a thug screaming orders to them. i guess you heard that. and we just can't let this -- we can't let this stuff happen with our country. we're scoffed at. laughed at. you get back down to trade and you look at when's happening and how we're being sucked dry and the people of new hampshire and the people, frankly, of new england, do we love tom brady by the way? do we -- right?
huh? is he the greatest? did you see the game? so nice. i have friends that own teams and bob kraft and you have a great coach in belichick. i just watch bing, bing, bing, bing. touchdown. other friends with quarterbacks. ay yi yi, interception, trouble. he's my friend. you're lucky to have him. so, so we have got to do some things. one of the bad parts about the deal is you're going to now have $150 billion for 4 people. you're going to have a lot of things happening that are bad. so this morning i understand they did three kidnappings in iraq. now they're going to say give us billions, give us billions. you know, once you do this and once you allow this to happen it's a very, very bad thing going on. very bad. when they see the weakness and
stupidity of the leaders, it is not a good situation, folks. we have to change. we can change fast. we can change gears like you wouldn't believe. we're going to make our military so strong, so powerful. nobody's going to ever mess with us again. . [ cheers and applause ] we are going to work with the vets. you have so many vets up here. the vets are going to be taken care of great as opposed to poorly. stand up, al. stand up. this guy has been with me -- [ applause ] al has been with me from the beginning. oh, i hope we win, al. i'm never forgetting you, man. every time i make a speech, here representing the vets and a powerful guy and they love him and i love him, too. but he -- stand up, al. just stand up by yourself. right? stand up. turn around. see how handsome. yeah. appreciate it, al.
he is so many of my rallies. he's here not for me but love it is vets and he is a great representative and we should all have -- we should all be so lucky i'll tell you that. but we are going to take care of our military, our vets, we are going to get rid of obamacare. its going to be gone. it's going to be terminated. and it's going to be replaced with much less expensive, much better health care. we're going to get a much -- i don't know if you noticed. i mean, i'm sure you do. but the premiums. right? 25% up. 35% up. 45% up. deductibles through the roof so you can never use it. i mean, or unless you get hit by a tractor or something. you can't use it. i get more complaints about the deductibles than about the increase. because you can't use it. there's nothing to use. you have to be -- literally, you have to be dead. it's -- it's a very bad thing.
so obamacare is going to believe repealed and replaced and that's going to be it. amazing. we are going to have borders. and the borders are going to be strong borders and people are going to come into the country legally. they're going to come in legally. and we are going to build a wall, folks. we are going to bald wall. build a wall. and, you know, you have tremendous problems. you have tremendous problems with the drugs in this area. it's amazing to me. when i come to new hampshire, i hear more about the drug problem and the addiction and all of the drugs pouring in than i do most other places. i don't understand why. but it's one of the most important things and that wall is going to stop so much of it. and then we are going to help the people that are so addicted that they can't -- i speak with parents and their children are in bad shape an they're really addicted. it is really, really a big thing to get off.
it's hard. the easiest way to get off is to never start. like me. i never smoked. i never smoked f. you don't smoke it's easy not to smoke. if you smoke, i have friends. they smoke. they're always giving up cigarettes. always giving it up. 25 years. if you never start. we have to get the kids not to start and the people generally not to start. the one that is are already hooked, we got to get them help and do a lot of things to help them as much as we can and try to get that all. i know a lot of people in new hampshire, the children are hooked and we are going to work like hell to get that -- to get them unhooked because we have to. and the best way -- the best thing we can do, though, for the rest we got to keep them out of here and one of the reasons we keep them out is strong, strong borders. okay? [ applause ] and, you know, i say it all of a
sudden the other day somebody said we'll build a wall. nobody ever said that before but we me. they like the way it sounds. they have no idea where to begin, how to do it. with me that's easy. when you build buildings like i build buildings, walls are easy. no windows. no nothing. concrete very high. let's see about a little higher than that. pretty high ceiling in here. but we'll go higher than that. you ever see the walls now? they're this high and they have ramps and the ramps and the jeep goes over the top loaded up with drugs. come back with cash. not a good deal. it's not a good deal. we also have a problem with trade. i know the greatest dealers in the world, greatest absolute business men, carl icahn endorsed me. others did. we'll get an endorsement on tuesday and getting a great endorsement on tuesday. something big is going to happen. we are getting a lot of people that want to endorse.
it is amazing all of a sudden saying, wait a minute. trump is beating hillary in the polls. and trump is looking pretty good. and all of a sudden everybody wants to endorse. people that sort of didn't know you were around, you know, they were going with the establishment stuff. the establishment's not working, folks. you have to take a look at the country. establishment is not working. nobody knows the politicians better than i do. believe me. not working. it is not going to take us to the promised land. that i can tell you. we are going to get some unbelievable endorsements and i have never been a huge fan of endorsements. i think it's the person much more so than the endorsements. we have a couple coming up that are fantastic. one in particular which we love. so what are the ones i want to talk -- just quickly about is trade and then going to questions. trade. china is making $500 billion a year. we have a deficit. is that trade?
that's not trade. that's being foolish. that's being stupid. that's robbery. i often say that. i often say, what china -- i get along great with china. biggest bank in the world is a tena tenant in my building. a great building of san francisco got it through china. i have a great relationship. i have made a lot of money with china. we can make money with china, too. we don't have the right people representing us. we have the wrong people. we have people that don't have a clue. they don't have a clue. and china's good. mexico's good. they're great. but their leaders are too smart for our leaders. our leaders don't have an idea of what's happening. with china, somebody shouted out robbery, robbery. honestly, it's the greatest left the that -- left ththeft that's place.
millions of jobs lost. manufacturing and plants closed because of when's going on and then make the stuff and they sell it in and there's no tax, no nothing. but when you make your product in new hampshire or anywhere else and you want it to go to china you can't get it in there. you can't get it in. they won't take it. if they do, they charge you a lot of tax. believe me. i'm really aware of it. you know what i'm talking about. right? stand up. you know. because you've been there. [ inaudible ] >> i sell electronic devices. >> yeah. and we make better product. that's right. hey. do you remember -- somebody brought this up the other day. do you remember -- some of you are too young for this stuff but some of us, unfortunately, are old enough we remember it. used to say proudly made in america or made in the usa. right? you don't see it anymore. and then you'd have tags, made in japan. and that was the cheap. that was the bad stuff.
the cheap stuff. made in japan. everyone's, oh, made in japan. we had made in america. made in the usa. that was an unbelievable tag. we don't have that. do they have that anymore? doesn't say made. we'll put made in the usa. we'll put made in america. [ applause ] we'll have it back. here's what's happened. trust me. the trade is going to be so good. i'll take carl icahn, the best in the world. check out china, please. they will be so -- they don't want money. they want to do something. believe it or not, these people love the country. it is different. very rich. they don't want salaries. nothing. they want to help. and it's so easy for them. like second nature. for them it's a game. and they love the country. but it's a game. they won't be china making $500 billion. think of it. a trade deficit of $500 billion? what kind of a deal is that? and then you hear the president say the trade partner -- what kind of a partner?
i don't want a partner like that. maybe we can make something if we're really smart. watch. watch what happens. okay. we have the best people in the world. now, what happened is when paris was so horribly hit, all of a sudden my poll numbers went up 11 points. remember? because everyone thinks that trump is going to be tougher and sharper. believe me. i am. trust me. i am. but all of a sudden my poll numbers went and went into the 40s. and i didn't know. i said, what happened? and they said, paris. i said, what happened? paris? it was a problem i'm talking about. radical islamic terrorism. you know what? we have a president that won't even mention the term. he won't talk about it. unless you talk -- well, unless you talk about it, unless -- now, here's the problem with booing. the press will say trump was booed at the event. no. they're the most dishonest people on earth. okay? i love to hear that booing.
you agree with me. they'll say do you know that trump got booed today? i'll say, i didn't get booed. right? it was like a love fest. i say we have a love fest. but oh, they're dishonest. thank you. [ chanting ] that's so nice. so nice. thank you. thank you. so great. all right. well now they'll have a hard time saying it but they'll figure a way to do it anyway. okay? these people, they are bad people. let me tell you. a couple of things, we'll solve trade. trade will be great. a change. because i announced on june 16th and almost from the beginning number one. number one in every poll and by far on virtually every poll.
but almost from the beginning, but, you know, when i announced i was talking about trade, talking about obamacare, i was talking about all these different things to do and all of a sudden i started to saying, we'll talk heavy into security. not just the border but really talking about security. and we are going to be talking about isis. we have to blow them off the face of the earth. no. we have to. we have to. and i was against the war. i tell you what. you know? i say it because it's -- i have to think in terms of vision when you vote for somebody but the truth is i was against the war. destabilize the middle east and then left so bad. obama gets up and announces the day he's leaving. so the enemy says, really? they pull back. now they're going to town. and we don't have iraq. iran is taking over iraq. i said you'll destabilize. iran not only getting the great deal with 150 billion and buy the nukes. they don't have to do with anything with the kind of money
they have. taking over yemen. taking over syria. most importantly, in a sense, they're taking over iraq. iraq has the second largest oil reserves in the world. so, i used to say they made a great deal for 150 billion. that's peanuts. they have been after iraq forever. forever. they'd fight with iraq. they were the same. boom, boom, boom. fight for years and then rest. fight and then rest. they can't get ten feet. they'd go. the other would go. that's the way it was. now, they just walked in. we decapitated them and left. and the way we got out was so foolish and you can just imagine general george patton or general macarthur talking about this on and talking to shows and what we're doing. we want to be unpredictable, folks. we are so predictable. we have people telling radio announcers what we'll do. we have a president saying when
we're leaving. we have a president that sent 50 soldiers over, our finest. sent 50 sold eiers over to iraq and syria and announced it. now they have a target on their back. they have a target on their back. why doing that? why can't he just send them? doesn't sound good to say we're sending 50 anyway. but why can't he just send them? now these guys, not stupid people. now they're looking for those 50 men and women. it's terrible. it's just terrible. and we have to be unpredictable. we have to do what they think we're not going to do. two we have to do that. [ applause ] when i said the oil and, you know, i'm saying the oil for three yearings. everyone said, oh, you can't do the oil. why not? you'll take the wealth away. i said take the oil when they were going to leave before all of this started. right? everybody knows that. i was the king of taking the oil. i don't mean just bombing it. i mean taking it.
so then about four months, five months ago, what will you do? i don't want to tell you. i don't want to tell you. they said, oh, you don't know the answer. you know the wise guys. by the way, did i win the debate or what? did we? right? [ applause ] but, you know, the wise guys say you don't know. maybe you don't know the answer. maybe you don't know. i say, i know the answer but i don't want to really tell all these answers because i have a real chance of getting elected and then i don't want the enemy to know all this stuff. right? but it got so bad, you know, you still have to get there. you have to get there. so about probably a year ago i said take the oil. bomb the oil. take the oil. give some of the oil to the wounded warriors and parents of soldier that is are lost. parents of soldiers that were killed in iraq. give them some. it's peanuts compared to what the value is. spread it around.
take care of the wounded warriors, the yvettes and take care of families that lost sons and daughters and take care of them. just take care of them. and, you know, just so sad to see it. and then they also say obama with the generals commenting on the plan. that won't work. when paris happened they started to bomb the oil. should have been done years ago. i want to bomb and take. i want to bomb and i want to take. we'll do a little ring around. just fine. i want to take the oil. okay? but, you know, the sad part is that i have to tell everybody what it is. you know? because that's i guess the system in which we live. if i don't say that, trump doesn't have a plan. i really said -- i'll never forget. they were saying, well, what's your plan? i'd rather not tell you. that doesn't play well in a democracy. right? i'd rather not tell you. oh, please, you must tell us. you don't have a plan. finally i said, look.
bomb. the guy i was telling it to, that's a good idea. i said, yeah, it's a good idea. obama didn't want to go full scale in the oil. i don't know -- it's hard to believe. he didn't want environmental pollution. he didn't want to bomb the oil because of pollution. look at al. he's laughing. it's hard to believe, isn't it? hard to believe. you know it's a true story. he didn't want to bomb the oil because if you bomb the oil, pollution will go to the atmosphere where it will be thrown away into the system in about two seconds. but pollution will go up and it will be -- now, i don't know, al, if it's 100% true. i have heard that. and i'm not surprised because that's the way we're running things. we don't know what we're doing. so take the oil. be strong. do all of these things and we will have a country that's going to be so great again. we have to bomb the hell out of them. we have to bring our troops back home. we have to be paid all these
countries, you know, we're protecting. we have a budget because we're protecting, japan, germany, south korea. protecting saudi arabia. how well think is saudi arabia? they pay us peanuts. peanuts. we can change this whole thing around fast. but you have to put a guy like me in. believe me. you have to put a guy like me. [ applause ] and, and just so -- okay. are you ready? here's a quiz. here's a quiz. you ready? who's going to pay for the wall? mexico. mexico's paying for the wall. now, the politicians come up to me during the debate one of them came up. don, you know mexico's not going to pay for the wall. i said, of course they are. they're making a fortune. we have a trade deficit. they're making a fortune. they took ford, nabisco. all of it. of course they're going to pay. that's peanuts. and the wall is peanuts, too. you know, it's 1,000 basically 2,000 miles across and need
1,000 miles of wall. even less. lets's say 1,000. super duper job. we want one that -- absolutely no wrinkles and we are going to do a wall and going to be 1,000 miles. so china, right? great wall of china. china 2,000 years ago built a wall that's 13,000 miles long. 13,000! and that wall is seriously big, by the way. you're not getting through that one easy. we have better material like prefab. they didn't have prefab. they had -- they had let's lug stones over there. but china, 2,000 years ago did this incredible job and they built a 13,000-mile wall. we have 1,000 miles. we can do it so fast, so easy. the guys, the politicians have no idea. one of the reasons, it was going to be built and this is another environmental story. a reason it didn't get built -- here's a wall for security, for
safety. didn't get built is they couldn't get the environmental impact study approved. can you believe this? meaning the snake, a tortoise, a snail, nobody knows more about environmental impact statements than me. believe me. you have to get them through. sort of interesting. in the south china sea, chichin builting islands, forfreszs, runways. military. and they have these massive excavators with buckets half the size of this room. scooping into the ocean. won't have an impact. believe me. okay? they're digging. and throwing and digging and throwing. building these massive islands in the middle of the sea. and we can't do a wall. it's crazy. and i said to a friend of mine from china. i said, let me ask you a question. i was kidding. how long did it take them to get their environmental income statement approved in but to get their environmental statements
approved? he said, oh, we don't do that. let me tell you. they said let's do it. you know when they started digging? the following day. with this country, 20 years of environmental research on a poisonous snake we want to keep alive. okay? so we don't know what we're doing. we're going to take our country great. greater than ever before. we will have a good time doing it. new hampshire, i want to thank you because from day one everybody's said you're with me and i love you. i love you! i love you. and we had a couple of events like two weeks ago in new hampshire where the weather was so bad, in fact, the pilot said, no, you shouldn't do this. what was that? a dog? >> hillary! >> huh oh. it's hillary. oh. only in new hampshire. right? that was a -- first it was a screechy dog and then a very serious dog. right? that's all right.
take good care of your dogs. you know, we had a case where the weather was so bad, two or three times up here, so tough that i shouldn't be -- the pilot said you shouldn't do it. i said how many people are there? whatever it was. and i said, where is it? really genius. do it. we did it and left. we love new hampshire. an it's a great honor. let's take a couple of questions. go ahead. where's the mikes? who's got mikes? we'll take some questions. kevin; let's go. who's got one? right here. i know this lady. good. >> hello, mr. trump. >> hi. >> i'm dee. >> hi dee. >> we met. i'm the grandma ma. >> right. i remember. >> okay. i wanted to ask you what you think about the second amendment and plan to do about it and especially with something crazy like going after people on social security. >> yeah. i know. they want to go after people on social security. first of all, social security we
are going to take back the jobs. make the country rich again. save the social security and not doing any cutting. i'm about the only one that says that. that's what's going to happen. you're pag in. you've been paying in to the social security. rest assured. as far as second amendment, i love that question. we are going to protect. we are going to protect our second amendment. nobody's going to touch it if i get elected. okay? nobody's going to touch it. thank you, darling. appreciate it. one other thing. you know, speaking of new hampshire. they want to move you to the middle of the pack. you know that? for some reason. but there's a big move next time to move you to the middle of the pack. there's a great tradition and history to new hampshire being right here which really is a first voting state and then you have iowa, great people with a caucus. but i will tell you that we are not moving you and we are not moving iowa. you're staying. i win, you're not moving. you're not moving. you know, if you move all of a
sudden you won't see anybody. that wouldn't be any fun. there's a big move to move you back to the middle of the pack. not going to happen. i win, not going to happen. zero chance. okay? okay. let's go. kevin, go ahead. give it to somebody. >> alex jones show. >> he was a nice guy. you like him? >> great. >> that's good. alex was -- alex jones. nice guy. go ahead. >> hi. >> how are you? >> my name is haley. >> hi, haley. >> i'm 16 years old and you always say you're going to hire the best people to work you should your administration. >> right. >> who are the best people? >> well, many different people coming from all over and all different and one of the things i talk about, i know the greatest business people in the world. greatest in the world. we'll use them for the trade deals now. we won't use political hacks so we are in the crazy deals where we lose our jobs and we lose our money and we lose everything else. and the other thing is that
administration with the v.a. getting the greatest a administrators in the veterans administration. take care of it. military. find the right guys. find general macarthur, find general patton. meaning, a young general patton, a young general macarthur. find great leaders in the military. they're there. you know, whether it's west point or annapolis or the air force academy. we have great people here. we don't use them. maybe they were a little bit rough. maybe they one time used a bad word and now he is not a general even though he's ten times better than anybody else. we're going to find the great people and we are going to use them. maybe you'll one of those people some day. by the way, i have my daughter ivanka. hey, come on. i have my daughter ivanka here. [ applause ] look at them. they go crazy over ivanka.
that's crazier than they go over me. i don't like this. she wanted to come up to see new hampshire. come on. they want you to walk over, honey. come on. come on. [ applause ] and jared, come on up. he is a great real estate guy and ivanka, they're having a baby. she is 8 months pregnant and still wanted to come up. come here, baby. come here, man. say something. say something. >> i am so incredibly proud of my father so this is so much fun for me to be here, to hear your enthusiasm, to share your enthusiasm and i know this man will make america great again so it is -- it is an honor. thank you, new hampshire. >> great, honey. be careful. great. thank you, jared. what a couple. great couple. she is so great. can you imagine if she got up
and said something bad in that would be so exciting. what the hell just happened? well, so let's do one more question. come on. who has a good one? who's got a really nice question? go ahead with the beautiful head of red hair. oh, look at that hair. >> thank you. >> beautiful. go ahead. >> thank you for coming. i'm paula. i work here in the school district. >> good. >> and question that's a concern to a lot of us parents. our children are graduating with tremendous debt. >> i know. i know. >> what are you going to be able to do to help them get the -- >> correct. >> and find jobs. >> right. okay. the most important thing is jobs. i must tell you. more than any other question especially when i'm in certain areas like this and schools, ill get the questions on schools. the kids are choking on debt. they're borrowing the money. with the colleges are doing is taking the federal money. they don't view the kids. they're like a middleman. they get the loan. than the colleges now all of a sudden are saying, well, we'll
pay more to ourselves. you see when's going on with the cost of colleges? and the big loser on this is the children because the children have all of this debt and they're basically passing it on from the government to the college and the colleges make a fortune. the government is actually making money. probably the only thing the government makes money on. you know that. most profitable thing. we'll do it. we'll do two things. knock the hell out of the costs because what they're doing in the colleges is unfair. you understand what i mean. raising it. raising it. going up like astronomically with all of this money from the federal government through the children. we're going to do something very, very profound. you're going do like me a lot in about six months, especially if i get in and really like me. >> we will. >> i thank you. the other thing -- the other thing and the second part and this is almost more important ultimately because you'll have kids, maybe your daughter or maybe your child, where they go out, they go to a college.
they, you know, put debt up to their neck. they can't breathe. they work hard. they get great marks. they're good students. and then they graduate and they can't get a job. i'm taking ourhard, they get gr marks. they're good students. and then they graduate and they can't get a job. i'm taking our jobs back from china. we're going to have so many jobs. you look at with nafta and with all -- you look at what happened to new england, what happened to new hampshire. we're bringing our jobs back. because ultimately that's going to be the most important thing. we're not going to be the stupid people anymore. we're bringing our jobs back. okay? thank you, everybody. you're amazing people. i appreciate it. thank you. love you, thank you. and get out and vote! you got to get out and vote. >> we're been watching donald trump speaking in new hampshire,
concord high school is the venue. the front-runner in the republican party talking about everything from immigration to trade, not really going after ted cruz. he did at times reference the wall that he wants to build along the southern border and made a couple of references to ted cruz having imitated him on calling for a wall, but for the most part, not really attacking ted cruz as he did over the weekend, when he criticized him him for being a quote, nasty guy. we have new sound of ted cruz responding to that. >> donald seems to be a little rattled. for whatever reason he is very, very dismayed. and i guess as conservatives continue to unite behind our campaign, has his poll numbers continue to go down, that seems to be, he's a little testy about it. but listen, from my end, i have no intention of responding in kind.
>> joining me now, steve kornacki in the newsroom. it was a wide-ranging as these often are for donald trump, sort of extemp rainious speech. i think a lot of the topics were ones we've heard before. and i was surprised he didn't actually go after ted cruz in the way we thought he might. he's been very vocal over the last couple days. >> the backdrop for all of this, we're getting into it with ted cruz's response, but this is a volatile time for donald trump's campaign. he's still ahead nationally. our latest poll still shows him up, still ahead in new hampshire. but even a dog fight in iowa, at best he's tied there with ted cruz. more likely he's a few points behind ted cruz in iowa and the problem for donald trump, i think he may be discovering this, as he goes after ted cruz, in speeches over the weekend, on
twitter, he's getting blowback from people on the right who have credibility with the voters who have been flocking to donald trump. that's something that's not been happening to donald trump when he's gone after other republican candidates. for example, as donald trump was going after ted cruz, mark levin, a conservative radio host with a very big audience, he's been favorable to trump, but he also likes ted cruz. he said, either cut the crap, your accusations this morning that cruz is canadian, a criminal, owned by big banks, et cetera. or you will lose lots and lots of conservatives. save the liberal new york tactics for the new york city liberals. rush limbaugh, he also likes ted cruz, and said basically the same thing. he made reference to donald trump saying nobody likes ted
cruz, that ted cruz is nasty. rush limbaugh said this about donald trump saying that. >> i think trump going after cruz is quite normal. it's understandable, but i think he's making a tactical error the way he's doing it. whatever you want to say, cruz is not a nasty guy. when you get into criticism, it better be believable. >> so, again, this is the problem trump is running into here, when you think about his attacks on jeb bush, that doesn't make limbaugh and levin made. that didn't make a lot of conservative leaders mad. lindsey graham, john mccain, the people he's gone after, they didn't have people to protect them. ted cruz does. will it affect the shape of the race? we don't know yet. >> let me bring in hallie
jackson who is on site at concord high school. instead of attacking ted cruz about raising money from special interests, he actually went after hillary clinton, calling her a puppet. >> and the attacks on hillary clinton are not unusual from donald trump. we're in press row, this is where team trump likes for the media to be, because of the secret service department, penned in here, this is where everybody was sitting right in front of us, trump is still off in the corner. he's signing autographs, taking selfies. you're right, donald trump didn't do what we've seen him do really all weekend long since the republican debate last week, which is hit ted cruz. instead, he aimed at the democrats. this is something that he was doing a couple weeks ago. he seemed to shift a little bit as ted cruz crept closer to him
and overtook him in the polls in iowa. donald trump still in new hampshire holds a double-digit lead, but appears to be feeling some pressure from cruz, which is why he's upping some attacks on him. cruz, meanwhile, hitting trump right back, even though that sound bite you played, ted cruz said he's not going to respond. his campaign is working to portray trump as too liberal with a conservative base. >> hallie jackson, thanks so much. coming up at the top of the hour, the debate moments from last night that raised a few eyebrows in charleston, from guns to health care. just how accurate were the democrats during the fourth debate? our fact check on them coming up. in less than a century, boeing took the world from seaplanes to space planes, across the universe and beyond. and if you thought that was amazing,
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candidates, hillary clinton and bernie sanders were both in columbia, south carolina today, at an event honoring martin luther king jr. while their messages were similar today, last night was a different story. with his numbers rising in iowa and new hampshire, bernie sanders was front and center at nbc's democratic debate in charleston, but it was hillary clinton who sought to present herself as the true democratic successor to president obama. >> i think as commander in chief you've got to constantly be evaluating the decisions you have to make. i know a little bit about this, having spent many hours in the situation room, advising president obama. the fact is, we have the affordable care act, that is one of the greatest accomplishments of president obama, of the democratic party, and of our country. >> he's criticized president obama for taking donations from
wall street. and president obama has led our country out of the great recession. your profusion of comments about your feelings toward president obama are a little strange given what you've said about him in 2011. >> joining me now on the phone from the site of last night's debate in charleston, south carolina, nbc's kristin welker. it was a great night, a lot of fun to be there. what are you hearing from the campaigns about this debate? do you hear the clinton campaign feeling they've halted some of sanders' momentum today? >> i don't think they believe they halted his momentum. i think they believe they have a strategy, moving forward. particularly as they enter this final sprint, these final two weeks before the iowa caucuses. look, secretary clinton essentially unveiled what will be a part of her closing argument, this hugging president obama so tightly. the reason for that, kate, the
president still very popular among the democratic base, but also among voters of color, that applies to a lot of the voters in south carolina, and south carolina is increasingly important particularly when you have the polls so close in iowa and new hampshire. the other part of her closing argument is going to be that she is the tougher one to take on republicans in a general election. we heard that last night as well. i think you can expect to see the heightened attacks between these two candidates only increase as we get closer to the voters weighing in. >> kristin welker down in south carolina, i'm sure making her way to some other campaign stop next. >> indeed. >> thanks so much. if last night's democratic debate came down to a contest between change and experience, there's a reason for that. there's a new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll, it finds that 55% of democratic primary voters prefer experience in this
election, while 40% say what they want is change. joining me now is perry bacon jr. perry, this feeds right into what kristin was just talking about, that you heard hillary clinton really embracing the legacy of president obama and touting her experience. and the polls say that might work for her. >> yeah, i think the polls are reflecting the fact that if you're a sanders supporter, you're someone who wants more change. he kept talking about much more radical ideas like single-payer, government-run health care. if you like experience, that's what the core of the clinton campaign is about. i've been secretary of state, i've been a senator. so i think those numbers reflect who people are supporting and clinton has a narrow lead and therefore voters saying they want someone with experience. >> so you think the poll reflects, the people have already chosen their candidate and they're saying, i want change or i want experience, as opposed to looking at those
polls and saying that helps hillary clinton because if more people want experience, they might go for her? >> exactly. i think they want someone more like a donald trump, ted cruz, an anti-establishment person, as opposed to a jeb bush or rubio in the realm of experience. it tells you how different the electorates are. >> let's talk about first-time voters and younger voters. our poll numbers show that's where sanders has a lot of strength and not so much hillary clinton. she's got sort of the senior vote, the more established americans, people that have been around longer tend to be for hillary clinton. so how does that shake out in this race? >> she was asked that last night by one of the youtube people. why are you not getting the young voters. she looked embarrassed by it and said i'm doing my best. her coalition is older people, tends to be over 50.
obama's coalition is younger. weste bernie sanders seems to have inherited that coalition as well. i don't think there's a lot she can do it. the older votes more than the younger, so i'd rather have them in these primaries. >> last night's democratic debate was heavy on policy proposals, but do the claims that were made on stage hold up. on friday we fact-checked the republican debate. so back with me to fact-check last night's democratic debate, washington post columnist glen kesler. good to see you again. >> glad to be with you. >> let's start with the health care debate. and let me play a bite from last night from hillary clinton. >> we now have driven costs down to the lowest they've been in 50 years. now we've got to get individual
costs down. >> so a lot of talk about health care and the cost of health care, is she correct that we've driven them down to the lowest they've been in 50 years? >> no, she's not. most people looking at their health care bills would have been surprised by that statement. but what she was correct, health care cost increases were the lowest since 2012, whether or not that's because of the affordable care act is really in dispute. health care costs around the world have slowed dramatically because of the great recession. and there are some experts that think that health care costs will increase in the coming years because of the affordable care act and the millions of people it's added to the insurance rolls. >> another contentious issue, gun control. here's what bernie sanders had to say. >> in 1988, there were three candidates running for congress in the state of vermont, i stood up to the gun lobby and came out and maintained the position that
in this country, we should not be selling military-style assault weapons. i have supported from day one an instant background check to make certain that people who should not have guns, do not have guns. >> so he says he came out against assault-style weapons. true? >> yes, that is correct. it's a somewhat selective version of history there. because he fails to mention that he was actually backed by the national rifle association in the critical race in which he won his first seat in congress. and that's because while he was against -- excuse me -- for a ban on assault weapons, he was running against a candidate who had flipped on that, and the nra threw their support for him. on top of that, he was against, when he said he was for instant background checks, that was a key vote for the brady bill and would have weakened the brady
bill as it emerged from congress and he did not vote for the brady bill when it was first proposed. >> take a listen. >> senator sanders you're the only one on this stage that voted to deregulate the financial market in 2000, to take the cops off the street to use governor o'malley's phrase, to make the s.e.c. and the commodities futures trading commission, no longer able to regulate swaps and derivatives which were one of the main cause of the collapse in '08. >> fact check, did he vote for all that deregulation? >> yes, he did. he did vote for that. what she doesn't mention is that her husband, the president bill clinton, signed that bill into law for obvious reasons, i guess she decided not to mention that.
>> that it was bill clinton who signed it into law? >> ys y . >> yes, exactly pch. >> thanks so much. today, british lawmakers voted on whether or not to ban donald trump from entering the uk. for more on that, we want to turn to nbc news chief global correspondent bill neely. bill, this all just played -- >> good afternoon, kate. donald trump was called a lot of names in the british parliament today. a buffoon, a poisonous corrosive map, a zeno phobe, a fool and then on. and some of that was from people who defended his right to come to the uk and say whatever he wants. britain has banned 84 people from coming into the country for insighting hatred.
for example, the florida pastor who tried to organize a koran-burning protest. this petition was signed by more than half a million people who sought to make donald trump number 85 and ban him. so the debate today was partly about airing the anger there's been here, about mr. trump's proposal to ban muslims from the u.s. and for other remarks he's made about britain. like, there are muslim areas of prison where the police dare not go because they're so radicalized. some of the people who spoke were muslim lawmakers, they were appalled that trump would ban them from entering america. many saying that if britain banned a slaumt -- on the othered is, many mps said we
should invite him to britain, don't fuel his publicity machine even more. let's be clear, this debate will not result in a ban on mr. trump or even a decision on a ban. there was no vote at the end of this debate. but it's proof of a backlash against mr. trump, who had also threatened to end $1 billion worth of investments here in britain, including golf courses. remember, he was fired as a business ambassador for scotland for his comments. also stripped of an honorary degree. david cameron the prime minister, made clear this is views. although cameron didn't speak today, he had called them divisive, unhelpful, and quite simply wrong. but the debate is not over. it lasted three hours. no vote at the end of it. donald trump for now is safe to come to britain. >> okay, good news for donald trump. bill neely, thanks. reunited, jason rezaian is
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rezaian, amir hekmati and saeed abedini arrived in germany yesterday. let me bring in nbc's keir simmons, he's in germany where a lot of happy reunions are happening today. keir? >> reporter: that's right, kate. we've seen some really uplifting scenes in the u.s. base here in germany. amir hekmati reunited with his sisters and brother-in-law. remember, at one point, he was sentenced to death. all smiles now that his congressman, who was there, says he hasn't seen the family smile like that since he has known them. we don't know when amir will head back to michigan, but you can imagine they will be eager to do that. meanwhile, "the washington post" reporter jason rezaian, reunited with his brother, his wife, and
his mother. they had flown out from iran with him. and we're learning about the tense negotiations that took place at one point through the weekend. it looked as if his wife and mom would not be allowed on the plane. the iranians would not allow that. there were, of course, further talks and finally they were all allowed to leave together. and kate, we're learning some of the details about what happened in the iranian prison. jason rezaian says he was in a 15 by 20-foot room, he was at one point held in solitary confinement for 49 days. so you can understand why these men, and there are three of the five in the base behind me here, are still undergoing evaluations. psychiatric evaluations, medical evaluation, before at some stage when they are ready, they will head back there to the united states. >> keir simmons, thanks so much for that. and let's turn to nbc's ron
mott in hing ham, massachusetts, where another freed prisoner, matthews trevithick, arrived home from iran last night. what do we know? >> reporter: well, he got home last night at logan airport around 6:30 last night. media was camped out at the family house, not too far from here. one of the sisters came out to ask people to respect their privacy. but his story is unique because he was not a part of the group that the americans were trying to negotiate their release. what we know from media reports and hearing from his mother through the media reports, they had no idea what happened to him in early december. communication was suddenly cut off. they knew he was in tehran. he was studying farsi. he was in this intense, four-month-long program. he was almost finished with that program when they stopped hearing from him. one thing led to another. the family got in touch with the
state department to say, we've lost track of him and they found out because the iranians did not tell washington that they had put this young man in jail. he's 30 years old, graduated from boston university and spent much of his time since graduating, traveling around the middle east and actually started a company monitoring humanitarian efforts in that part of the world. has traveled extensively in afghanistan and iraq, and his dad said he knew he was traveling around in a pretty dangerous area, but did not expect this trip to tehran to end the way it did, kate. >> do we have any idea what he was held for? what the reason was for his detenti detention? >> no reason given at all. one state department official says they knew pretty early on, once they were informed, that he was being jailed, that it was an unjust jailing. and so when they started to get this deal put together here over the past couple days, they said to the iranians that it's gonna be a good thing for you to do to
let him go, given that we haven't heard any charges that should justify your keeping him. the family said he was in jail two or three weeks before they found out he was in jail. he was being monitored and couldn't say lot. and the officials on our side, told the family to keep a tight lid down. they didn't tell a whole lot of people that their loved one was in jail. they're obviously happy to have him back. >> obviously. ron mott, thanks so much for that. back in 2009, iran released another u.s. journalist that they had detained, roxannea sebbaria was released after spending 100 days in an iranian prison. when she returned home, then secretary of state hillary clinton praised her release. >> we are just grateful now that she is free and is able to be back in this country. there were so many people who were working on her behalf,
praying for her, speaking out all over the world. and it's just a great moment for me to welcome you here. >> and i'm joined now by rocks ana sebbery, reporter for al jazeera and author of a book "between two worlds." so nice to see you on a day like this. and i've been watching your face as you're seeing the pictures we're showing of the latest prisoners being released. and you're grinning. you must remember that feeling of being reunited after a hundred days with your family. >> i do, kate. and i'm grinning for various reasons. one is that i knew jason rezaian, i met him years ago when i moved to iran. he was always so friendly and checking up on me if i needed anything when i was settling in. i had spoke with the family members of all those men who are
in germany, because they wanted to know what it's like for their loved ones in prison. >> i'm sure they reach out to someone who's been through it. >> because there's not exactly a hand book on it. >> what is it like now, or what will it be like for these five prisoners who have been released? so much to go through, so psychologically difficult. what would you tell them if you were giving them advice on the next few days and weeks? >> well, everybody's case is different, but i think one important thing is just, take your time. i heard that jason rezaian told his editor, who told you, that jason knows that a lot of people want to hear his story, but he needs some time to process. don't feel rushed. it could take weeks, it could take months, it could wait even longer. for me, i took a few weeks, i wish i had waited longer. >> we're looking at their
pictures and they physically look well, but you've written in your book, some of the trauma, it's all in your head. i know you wrote about feeling like you were still being followed and looking over your shoulder, constantly? >> yeah, and i should say, a lot of people have gone through experiences much harder than i did, and much longer, but, yeah, at first i did have this trauma where i was looking over my shoulder, i thought i was being followed, and i had been threatened in prison that if i speak about certain things, they'll come after me. but i've spoken to other prisoners too, i still have nightmares, rare at this point. >> but you still have them? >> yeah, you can't control what happens in your sleep. but what's happened me and other people is just to find some purpose in that adversity that we went through, some meaning in it and also to return to something that we're passionate about. >> how difficult will it be for them to keep their anonymity and not get sucked into the political discussion that's going on now around all of this?
>> i imagine it's gonna be difficult because they are in the spotlight, especially in these initial days. everybody wants to talk to them and hear from them. but i hope that they will be given the space and time to decide when they want to share their stories. >> we showed that shot, that video of you with then secretary of state hillary clinton at the state department in 2009 after you returned home. she's been speaking out about what's happening in iran right now. in the climate that we're in now, with everything that's happening, do you think it is now going to be a safer environment for journalists in iran? >> it's hard to say. i've talked to iranian journalists inside the country saying since hassan rowhani became president there, that the atmosphere has improved, but hardliners shut down publications and jail journalists. there are 18 journalists in iran today, they don't have a government like america or some other government standing behind
them. they don't work for big news organizations calling for their release. but so much of the news they provide is important for iranians and also the outside world. >> so nice to get your perspective. thank you. with international sanctions lifted, iran will soon re-enter the global oil marketings, the news drove oil prices to a 12-year low. and the national average for gas is just $1.89. one michigan town has gas below a dollar a gallon. sparking gas lines this weekend. there's a local price war happening there, but the local price tag is one way the easing of the iranian sanctions could impact you. more details on all of that straight ahead. s that build the machines, the machines that sort, stack and seal. these are the hands that keep private information private. these are the hands of pitney bowes, the craftsmen of commerce. these are the hands that dig for opportunity,
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iran. all this follows, of course, the lifting of crippling sanctions against iran and the unfreezing of tens of millions of dollars in iranian assets. joining me now to look at all this, the possible impact of all that worldwide in a business sense and for consumers. msnbc business correspondents olivia sterns is with us. let's start with consumers. we were saying before the break, gas is at record lows. people are lining up at gas stations. one station has less than a dollar -- >> the average price right now, $1.89. >> does this push it even further down? >> yes, it will push it even further down. the immediate effect of the sanctions being lifted will be felt by the u.s. consumers. you'll notice the ban on importing food stuffs will be lifted. this is great news for pistachio lovers, caviar lovers, even carpets. all good news. but just because the ban on imports of iranian goods,
doesn't mean that american businesses are going to be able to cash in. >> okay, so what happens to american businesses? >> we are waiting to hear from the u.s. treasury to get the exact guidelines. not all the sanctions have been lifted. the nuclear sanctions have been lifted, but the ones based on human rights have not been lifted. the big winner here in the u.s., the aviation business. this is the only sector that will be able to transact directly with iran. boeing, you heard over the weekend, iran is going to place an order for 114 airbus planes, that's boeing's big european competitor. so aviation one of the few industries that's going to be making a lot of money out of this. >> we've done a lot of stories about places like north dakota, where there's all kinds of fracking going on. what does it mean for those producers? >> unfortunately, it's very bad
news for u.s. oil producers that iran will return to the market with its supply, because already the price of oil is below $30 a barrel. a year from now, it could push the price down another $10. that's going to be very painful. it's also bad news because the type of oil they're biggidiggin iran is very cheap to recover. it's very competitive, it's close to the surface, doesn't cost a lot to get it out of the ground. a lot less than shale. so they are going to be a formidable player. >> olivia, thank you. turn now to flint, michigan, help is on the way. president obama declaring a federal emergency in flint, michigan, where as you know from months of reporting here on msnbc, there are dangerously high lead levels in the drinking water. the water crisis there is getting more attention nationally now, when lester holt asked the candidates at the end of last night's debate, if there
was anything that the democrats hadn't had a chance to talk about yet and really wanted to say, hillary clinton chose flint. >> we've had a city in the united states of america where the population, which is poor in many ways, and majority african american, has been drinking and bathing in lead-contaminated water. and the governor of that state acted as though he didn't really care. he had requests for help that he basically stonewalled. i'll tell you what, if the kids in a rich suburb of detroit had been drinking contaminated water and being bathed in it, there would have been action. >> secretary clinton was right, and what i did, which i think is also right, was demanded the resignation of the governor. a man who acts that irresponsibly should not stay in power. >> michigan's governor, a republican, did not appreciate
all that criticism. tweeting last night, political statements and finger pointing from political candidates only distract from solving the flint water crisis. tony dokoupil is following the story. he's been in flint a couple of times now. tony, how are things going out there, what are residents saying about the declaration by the president to try to get some help there? >> residents are happy to have that declaration from the president, but even happier to see hillary clinton and bernie sanders take this to the national level. one mother told me, it brought tears to her eyes after more than a year of complaints locally about the quality of the water, the smell of the water, and ultimately the lead in the water, not getting that national recognition and then boom, last night, hillary clinton with that speech, it played big on morning shows here in detroit and in flint. people said it literally brought tears to their eyes. and bernie sanders going even further than hillary clinton and saying, no excuses in a statement to the detroit free press, no excuses, the governor has to resign.
now i want to bring you to where i am locally here. this is ward 5, the very hardest hit area. hillary clinton talks about disproportionately poor and african american communities, this is one of those communities. and it's the hardest hit from terms of the water crisis. water samples taken from here, more than 50% of them had lead in the water. and the percentage of kids with elevated blood lead levels in this zone doubled and in some cases tripled. we've talked to parents and more than a half dozen people that we talked to in this area, no one's had a knock on their door. and parents are trying to figure out how to have bath time, where they don't have water that they can put their children in. i want you to listen to ariana hawk. >> i need bottled water, i don't have transportation, they still haven't been to my house.
i don't think we should be waiting on them to come. they should be there willingly to just be bringing that stuff. >> one of the tragic things, kate, as we've talked about in the past, the effects of lead don't show up right away. one father told me, my kids wake up and i look them in the eye and i try to see if there's a difference. it's going to take years and it's torturous if you're a mom and dad in this area. >> tell me on a political level, what's going on? i'm confused about what the governor is saying and about what the president has done. governor snyder asked for a disaster declaration, and that was denied, but the white house is doing other things. >> the governor asked for a major disaster declaration and the white house said no. that's because a major disaster declaration is limited to natural disasters only. this was a man-made disaster. this was the result of the department of environmental
quality here in michigan and they've acknowledged this, not putting the proper chemicals into the water that would have treated it. without that treatment, the lead from the pipes leached into the water supply here. the governor asked for $96 million for water and for filters and for some work on the pipes. the president gave him $5 million, that's the first of what could be more, but right now he's only saying $5 million is available. and the governor is touting the fact he's been to 16,000 houses, or his workers have been to 16,000 houses, but this is a neighborhood with 50,000 doors to knock on. so we're not even halfway there. >> so you said $5 million so far, how far does that go? >> it's enough for about 75 days, according to fema. after that, it's all up in the air. >> okay, tony dokoupil continuing to follow the story in flint for us. thanks so much. the fbi director honored
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investigation every time someone is killed by police. it's at the heart of a national conversation about policing in america. but the violence does go both ways. there are victims of police violence, obviously, and there is violence against police. two officers were shot and killed on sunday, sharing the terrible distinction of being the first officers gunned down in the line of duty in 2016. in ohio, officer thomas cut rel was found shot to death overnight. a woman tipped off dispatchers that her boyfriend left home, looking to kill an officer. that man is now in custody. and in utah, officer doug barney died in a shoot-out. the suspect was also killed. ari melber joins us now with a look at how dangerous this past year has been for police officers. ari? >> that's right, kate. we looked at the numbers, 39 officers killed in the line of duty last year. we spoke to surviving family members and policing experts all about it. we've been showing some of their stories today. right now i have a new one.
le cory tate, 25 years old, on the force for less than a year when he was gunned down. we spoke to his father who talked about this intersection, the issues in the minority community and also the realization that so many officers do their jobs honestly and bravely. lonnie ross told us, quote, i'm an african american male and i've been mistreated by officers, but i've always been treated well by several officers. i've seen both sides of the coin. and speaking about his stepson who was killed, he said he made me have empathy for risks they take. every time we meet an officer, we greet them and thank them. bad officers need to be dealt with when they do wrong, but those are separate from the good officers. >> in this moment of national conversation, how do you balance the information you've found with the conversation about police violence and what bernie sanders was saying at the debate? >> they're both real issues in a lot of people's minds. in our investigative report, we tried to dig into the scale of
that using aggregate data. 965 civilians killed by police, those stories get a lot of warranted attention. but then you look at that in the context of the larger policing going on every day in america. almost 700,000 law enforcement officers making annually 62 million contacts with people in the united states as police annually according to the justice department. and then you can break out non-government data on the allegations of police misconduct, some of which are very concerning, but that runs up to about 6,000 or so annually. so if you break that out, that means annually, 99.1% of officers aren't accused of any misconduct each year. i want to repeat that. 99.1%. and so we all know working in the news business and talking to sources, sometimes it's the big and unusual events that only get covered, yet when you dig into the aggregate data as we did,
you do get a picture of daily policing that doesn't involve the use of deadly force, that doesn't involve allegations of misconduct and as we found in or more anecdotal reporting, a lot of bravery. >> important context. i tell my kids that all the time. that we report on the egregious stories, the negative stories. we don't necessarily always look at the big picture. ari, thank you. >> thank you. president obama and the first lady honoring martin luther king jr today at an elementary school in washington, d.c. where much of the student body comes from military families. coming up, a fellow civil rights leader weighs in on dr. king's life and legacy. that's why she roasts tender white meat chicken to perfection and mixes freshly-made pasta in an alfredo sauce made-from-scratch with parmesan, romano and real cream. ♪ because marie callender knows that the most comforting thing about comfort food,
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today the country remembers the life of one of the most influential men of the 20th century, dr. martin luther king jr. we lost the civil rights icon more than four decades ago. john harwood recently sat down with one of the men who stood at king's side, georgia representative john lewis. and john harwood joins me now. john, you had the opportunity to discuss the legacy of the civil rights movement with representative lewis. must have been a great conversation. >> it was a great conversation. we sat down in the modern-day version of the atlanta restaurant where dr. king, mr. lewis and others plotted civil rights strategy. i asked john lewis what's
changed in our politics since those days and what hasn't. >> you were talking about how the movement didn't really have a political party. >> what political leader -- is a party of principles, it is -- >> the party of javits is also the party of goldwater, we have much more clarity between the parties these days. we're much more polarized. is that better, is that progress? >> well, we made progress, that cannot be denied. we came together. it was a coalition of conscience. the question is, whether we can rebuild that coalition of conscience within the congress, within the larger community. >> we need to make it easier to vote. we need to modernize it for the way we live now. >> the current chapter of the voting rights debate, do you see it with the same clarity that we looked back on from '63 and '65,
and say right and wrong was very clear? >> i do. i think even today, they don't want these people participating. they don't want low-income people, they don't want students, people of color. we got to open up the process and let everybody come in. >> what about the argument that you hear that that opens the door to fraud, that opens the door to people voting who shouldn't be voting? >> it's unfounded fear. we shouldn't be afraid. open up the process and let everybody participate. one man, one vote. >> now, of course the most dramatic way dr. king's promise was redeemed was the election of barack obama in 2008. the congressman said there are still ways in which president obama is being judged by the color of his skin, not just the content of his character. >> what do you think the president's legacy in american politics will turn out to be? >> providing health care for hundreds of thousands and millions of people. >> you hear some republicans
say, this president promised to bring the country together, but he's actually made it more divided? >> i don't think this president, i don't think he's solely responsible for the country being divided. we all are responsible for it. >> has he made it worse? >> i don't think he made it worse. i think people because of his election, made a conscious decision and said that we will not give him a victory. obama being treated different because of his race. i really believe that. you wouldn't hear a white democrat, white republican, speaking, hear someone holler out, you lie from members of the republican party from south carolina. >> you think that was race? >> i think part of that was race. and you wouldn't have a governor putting her finger in the face of a white president. i think there have been visible signs of disrespect for the man. i've always said, if you don't respect the man, respect the position.
so when the president said to me during the evening or the state of the union as we're walking down the aisle, john lewis, i love you. i said mr. president, i love you too. >> and if you have any doubt about how widespread that feeling is within the democratic party, check out last night's debate where hillary clinton went after bernie sanders by saying she was standing up for president obama more than bernie sanders was. >> yeah, there was a lot of that last night. that was such a fascinating interview. thank you very much for sharing that with us. we can find the whole thing, and i'll post it on my facebook page as well. john, thanks. shocking allegations today that more than a dozen tennis stars were paid to throw matches. what the bbc and buzzfeed matches say they uncovered about the elite sport of tennis, coming up.
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the sports world is being rocked again by allegations of cheating, and this time it's in professional tennis. according to documents obtained by bbc and buzzfeed, investigators hired by the association of tennis professionals in 2007 uncovered signs of corrupt betting, syndicates and gamblers buying off well ranked players to throw matches, but nothing was done at the time. more than 70 players are suspected of taking part, including eight playing in the australian open, which started actually today. joining me now is one of the authors of this report, buzzfeed new investigative journalist john temp lin is with us. a note for our viewers, msnbc's parent company has made an investment in buzzfeed.
so john, let me start with the basics. it's seven years ago that this investigative body looks into tennis and finds all these things. what did you see in these documents you were able to obtain? >> yeah, so they were given -- basically the investigators took that charge and went and looked at this one match, the davydenko/argelo match and found there was a whole network of things that was happening. there were three gambling syndicates and 28 players were involved based on the data they were able to analyze. >> they don't name which players in the documents? >> they do name them in the documents, but we've decided not to name them. >> oh, i see. that's one of the things that today in reaction, some of the current tennis players have said, wait a second. who are we talking about? roger federer said you have to take the allegation seriously, but when he was asked about it,
he said, i would like to hear names. it's such non-sense to answer something that is pure speculation. >> i don't think the charges are speculation. we've omitted the names mostly because we have betting data and we have people telling us that players are fixing matches and have corrupt gambling things, but it needs to be investigated deeper. what we're really doing is calling for the tennis authorities to stop being so secretive and also start investigating harder. because as you said in 2008, they found 28 players and there's been more since then and none of them have been investigated. >> i was going to say, what happened? you're looking at old documents from 2007, what happened to those players? >> none of those players have been reprimanded and all have continued to play. there were 49 matches that were flagged in 2015 alone. so obviously this is still continuing. >> what does the tennis
governing body say today in reaction to your reporting? >> the tennis body have said they have never suppressed evidence of match-mixing, they're as vigilant as they can be and it's difficult to prove. >> and you have one currently number one player in the world, novak djokovic, saying that he was offered $250,000 to throw a match. i was approached by people that were working with my team, of course we threw it right away, meaning we didn't do it. there was nothing out of it. but what does this say about the sport to you? is there rampant corruption in tennis? >> tennis is a particularly vulnerable sport because of the fact they only need one player to mix a match or a set. so that makes it difficult to enforce. when players like djokovic was being approached, it shows you why we've had 16 top-ranked players who were repeatedly
flagged by organizations. >> and all this happens as the australian open gets started. >> yes. >> thanks so much. that's going to do it for this hour of msnbc live. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" starts right now. >> if it's monday, two weeks until iowa, it's hillary clinton giving a bear hug to the obama legacy. can her call for continuity beat back bernie sanders' revolution? meanwhile, is donald trump's aggressive attack on ted cruz backfiring? this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now. good evening, everyone, and happy martin luther king jr day to you, i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd. a lot to get to tonight with fall-out from sunday's de