tv Hardball With Chris Matthews MSNBC January 19, 2016 11:00pm-12:01am PST
we all have a part in this. we all have a responsibility. looking around at all of you, you hard-working iowa families, you farm families and teachers and teamsters and cops and cooks, you rock 'n' rollers and holy rollers. all of you who work so hard, you full-time moms, you with the hands that rock the cradle. you all make the world go round. and now our cause is one. when asked why i would jump in, into a primary, kind of stirring it up a little bit, maybe, and choose one over some friends who
are running, and i've endorsed, a couple others, in their races before they decided to run for president, i was told, you know, warned left and right, you are going to get so clobbered in the press. you are just going to get beat up. and chewed up, and spit out. and, you know, i'm thinking, and? yeah? you know what, you guys haven't tried to do that every day since that night in '08, when i was on stage nominated for vp, and i got to say, yeah, i'll go, send me, you betcha, i'll serve. and like you all, i'm still standing. so those of us who have kind of gone through the ringer, as mr. trump has, makes me respect you, even more. that you're here, and you're putting your efforts and you're putting reputations, you are putting relationships on the line to do the right thing for this country, because you are ready to make america great again! >> well, i am here, because like you, i know it is now or never. i'm in it to win it, because we
believe in america. and we love our freedom. and if you love your freedom, thank a vet. thank a vet and know that the united states military deserves a commander in chief who loves our country passionately and will never apologize for this country. a new commander in chief, who will never leave our men behind. a new commander in chief, one who will never lie to the families of the fallen. i'm in it, because just last week, we're watching our sailors suffer and be humiliated on a world stage, at the hands of iranian captors in violation of international law. because a weak-kneed capitulator in chief has decided that america will lead from behind.
and he who would negotiate deals, with the skills of a community organizer, maybe organizing a neighborhood tea -- yeah, well -- the deciding that, no, america would apologize and as part of the deal, as the enemy sends a message to the rest of the world that they capture and we kowtow and we apologize and then we bend over and say, thank you, enemy. we are ready for a change. we are ready and our troops deserve the best. a new commander in chief whose track record of success has proven he is the master at art of the deal. he is one who would know to negotiate. only one candidate's record of success proves he is the master of the art of the deal. he is beholden to no one, but we, the people.
how refreshing. he is perfectly positioned to let you make america great again. are you ready for that, iowa?! no more pussyfooting around! our troops deserve the best! you deserve the best! he is from the private sector, not a politician. can i get a hallelujah? >> hallelujah! >> where in the private sector you actually have to balance budgets in order to prioritize, to keep the main thing, the main thing. and he knows the main thing of a president is to keep us safe economically and militarily. he knows the main thing and he knows now to lead the charge. so troops, hang in there, because help's on the way, because he, better than anyone, isn't he known for being able to command, fire -- are you ready for a commander in chief -- are
you ready for a commander in chief who will let our warriors do their job and go kick isis' ass?! ready for someone who will secure our borders to skewer or jobs and to skewer our homes? ready to make america again? are you ready to stump for trump? i'm here to support the next president of the united states, donald trump. now, eight years ago, i warned that obama's promised fundamental transformation of america that it was going to take more from you and leave america weaker on the world stage. and that we would soon be unrecognizable. well, it's the one promise that obama kept. but he didn't do it alone. and this is important to remember, especially those of you, like me, a member of the gop, this is what we have to remember, in this very
contested, competitive, great primary race, trump's candidacy has exposed, not just that tragic, that ramifications of the betrayal of a transformation of our country, but, two, he has exposed the complicity on both sides of the aisle that has enabled it, okay? well, trump, what he's been able to do, which is really ticking people off, which i'm glad about. he's going rogue left and right, man. that's why he's doing so well. he's been able to tear the veil off this idea of the system, the way that the system really works. and please hear me on this. i want you to understand more and more how the system, how the establishment works and has gotten us into the troubles that we are in, in america. the permanent political class has been doing the bidding of their campaign donor class.
and that's why you see that the borders are kept open, for them, for their cheap labor that they want to come in. that's why they've been bloating budgets. it's for crony capitalists to be able to suck off of them. it's why we see these lousy trade deals that gut our industry for special interests elsewhere. we need someone new, who has the power and is in the position to bust up that establishment, to make things great again. it's part of the problem. his candidacy, which is a movement, it's a force, it's a strategy. it proves, as long as the politicos, they get to keep their titles and their perks and their media ratings, they don't really care who wins elections, believe me on this. and the proof of this, look what's happening today. our own gop machine, the establishment, they who would assemble the political
landscape, they're attacking their own front runner. would the dnc front-runner ever come after their own supporters? no, because they don't self-destruct. but for the gop establishment to be coming after donald trump's supporters, even, with accusations that are so false, they are so busted, the way that this thing works. we, you, a diverse, dynamic, needed support base, that they would attack. and now, some of them even wlis perring, they're ready to throw in for hillary over trump, because they can't afford to see the status quo go. otherwise, they won't be able to be slurping off the gravy train that's been feeding them all these years. they don't want that to end. well, then, funny, ha-ha, not funny, but now what they're
doing is wailing, well, trump and his trumpeters, well, they're not conservative enough. oh, my goodness gracious. what the heck would the establishment know about conservatism? tell me, is this conservative? gop majorities handing obama a blank check to fund obamacare? and planned parenthood and illegal immigration that competes for your jobs and turning safety necks into hammocks and all these new democrat voters that are going to be coming on over the border, as we keep the borders open and bequeathing our children millions in new debt and refusing to fight back for our solvency and our sovereignty, even though that's why we elected them and sent them as a majority to dc. no! if they're not willing to do that, then how are they to tell us that we're not conservative enough?
in order to be able to make these changes in america that we know need to be made. now, they're concerned about this ideological purity? give me a break! who are they to say that? oh, and tell somebody like phyllis schlafly. she is the republican conservative movement icon in hero and a trump supporter. tell her she's not conservative enough. how about the rest of us? right-wing and bitter-clinging proud-clingers of our guns, our god, of our religion and our constitution. tell us that we're not red enough? yeah, coming from the establishment. right. well, he being the only one who's been willing, he's got the guts to wear the issues that need to be spoken about and debated on his sleeve. where the rest of smoez these establishment candidates, they just wanted to duck and hide. they didn't want to talk about these issues, until he brought them up.
in fact, they've been wearing this political correctness kind of like a suicide vest. and enough is enough. these issues that donald trump talks about had to be debated. and he brought them to the forefront. and that's why we are where we are today, with good discussion, a good, heated, and very competitive primary is where we are. and now, though, to be lectured, that, well, you guys are all sounding kind of angry, is what we're hearing from the establishment. doggone right, we're angry! justifiably so! yes. you know, they stomp on our neck and then they tell us, just chill, okay? yeah, just relax. well, look, we are mad and we've been had. they need to get used to it. this election is more than just your basic abcs, anybody but clinton. it's more than that this go around.
when we're talking about a nation without borders, when we're talking about bankruptcies in our federal government, debt that our children and our grandchildren, they'll never be able to pay off. when we're talking about no more reaganesque power that comes from strength, power through strength. well, then, we're talking about our very existence. so no, we're not going to chill. in fact, it's time to drill, baby, drill down and hold these folks accountable. and we need to stop the self-sabotage and elect new and independent, a candidate who represents that and represents america first, finally. pro-constitution, common sense solutions that he brings to the table. yes, the status quo has got to go, otherwise we're just going to get more of the same. and with their failed agenda, it can't be salvaged.
it must be savaged. and donald trump is the right one to do that. are you ready for new and are you ready for the leader who will let you make america great again? it's going to take a whole team. it's going to take a whole team. fighters, all of us in the private sector, fighters in the house and the senate. so, our friends who are fighters in the house and the senate today, they need to stay there and help out. they can help our new leader in the positions that they are in. let me say something really positive about one of those individuals. rand paul. i'm going to tell you about that libertarian streak in him that is healthy, because he knows, you only go to war if you're determined to win the war! and you quit footing the bill for these nations who are oil rich. we're paying for, some of their
squirmishes, that have been going on for centuries, where they're fighting each other, and yelling "al akbar," calling jihad on each other's heads forever and ever. like i said before, let them duke it out and let allah sort it out. we'll fight for american interests, and as donald trump has said, other nations, where we have been footing the bill. but we haven't prioritized our own domestic budgets well enough to be able to afford what we're doing overseas. things are going to change under president trump. so we can be an unbeatable team with fighters there in the house and the senate. yeah, our leader, a little bit different. he's a multi-billionaire. not that there's anything wrong with that. but, it's amazing. he is not elitist at all. oh, i just hope you all get to
know him more and more as a person and a family man and what he's been able to accomplish with what's kind of this quiet generosity. yeah, maybe his largess kind of, i don't know, kind of gets in the way of that quiet generosity, and his compassion, but if you know him as a person, and you'll get to know him more and more, you'll have even more respect. not just for his record of success and the good intentions for america, but who he is as a person. he's not an elitist. and yes, as a multi-billionaire, we still root him on, because he roots us on. and he has -- he's spent his life with the working man. and he tells us, joe six-packs, he said, you know, i worked very, very hard and i've succeeded. hugely, i've succeeded, he says. and he says, and i want you to succeed, too. and that is refreshing because he, as he builds things, he builds big things. things that touch the sky.
big infrastructure that puts other people to work. he has spent his life looking up and respecting the hard hats and the steel-toed boots and the work ethic that you all have within you. he, being an optimist, passionate about equal opportunity to work. this self-made success of his, you know that he doesn't get his power, his high, off of opium, other people's money, like a lot of dopes in washington do. they're addicted to opium, where they take other people's money and then their high is getting to redistribute it, right? and then they get to be really popular people. when they get to give out your hard money. well, he doesn't do that. his power, his passion, is the fabric of america. and it's woven by work ethic and dreams and drive and faith in the almighty. what a combination. are you ready to share in that again, iowa?!
because that's what's going to let you make america great again. he's going to be able to empower you to look out for one another again, instead of relying on a bankrupt government, to supposedly be looking out for you. no. and i think you're ready for that. and iowa, i believe, too, that you're ready to see that our vets are treated better than illegal immigrations are treated in this country. and you're ready for the tax reform he talks about, to open up main street again. and you're ready to stop the race baiting and the division based on color and zip code, to unify around the right issues, the issues important to me or i wouldn't be endorsing him. pro-life, pro-second amendment, strict constitutionality. those things that are unifying values and their time-tested truths involved.
these are unifying values from big cities and tiny towns, from big mountain states and the big apple to the big, beautiful heartland that's in between. finally, friends, i want you to try to picture this. it's a nice thing to picture. exactly one year from tomorrow, former president barack obama, he packs up the teleprompters and the selfie sticks and the greek columns and all that hopey changey stuff and he heads on back to chicago. where i'm sure he can find some community there to organize again. there he can finally look up, president obama will be able to look up. and there, over his head, he'll be able to see that shining, towering trump tower.
yes, barack, he built that, and that says a lot. iowa, you say a lot. being here tonight, supporting the right man who will allow you to make america great again! god bless you! god bless the united states of america and our next president of the united states, donald j. trump! >> we're going to give 'em hell. i just want to thank sarah and todd. i just really amazing people. this is a woman that from day one, i said, if i ever do this, i have to get her support. she feels it. she understands it better than anybody, and sarah, on behalf of myself, my family, and the country, i want to thank you very much. thank you, darling.
>> quite an event. what you just saw. good evening, i'm chris matthews. i've been watching this with you. let me start today with the bally hoo day in the republican party. sarah palin has just endorsed donald trump. you saw it all there. the guy who has dominated the media has just added 10,000 wats of tea party juice to his megaphone. sarah palin has a rare kinetic ability, a stage presence that is unmatched in american politics. when she's out there, people watch. more than anything else, her arrival to 2016 politics promises fun. you watch a guy like cruz, everything looks pretty painful. anyway, not for donald trump and not for palin. you don't know what's coming next from either of them. suddenly it's karaoke time on this campaign trail. nbc's katy tur is anyway tonight with the trump campaign. perry bacon is here with me. he's senior political reporter for nbc news and former rnc
chair michael steele is also with us. he's nbc's great political analyst. katy tur, this -- how long did it take to get this thing? we didn't find out about this until late today. when did this trump perfect match come together? >> reporter: we're not sure when it came together. they said they've been working on it for quite some time. there's been a -- to use a silly word for this, a romance between the two for many years now. back in 2011, when she was at that pizzeria in new york and there were rumors that she might run for president, someone asked donald trump if he would run as her vice president. and he kind of left the door open for that. so they've been chatting now for years. and this seems more like a natural fit, though, for her to be endorsing him. they're very similar in a lot of ways. they like big productions. they both were reality show tv stars. they're similar on their political platforms. i do want to talk about the room here tonight. it was a different rally for donald trump.
the energy was much lower than it normally is in this crowd. and when palin took the stage, the crowd was largely silent throughout much of her speech. it was a very different feeling than we get at a lot of the rallies. partially because donald trump speaks very off the cuff, or he seems like he's speaking very off the cuff. he riles the crowd up with the way he speaks. she was very much reading from notes for this and it didn't seem to grab the attention of a lot of the crowd. she used a lot of her classic palin pithy comments, talking about -- excuse me, wearing political correctness like a suicide vest, that can't be salvaged and must be savaged. let 'em duke it out and let allah sort it out. she even referenced joe six-pack at one point, talking about how donald trump was a billionaire, not that there's anything wrong with that. this speech itself didn't seem like it was rousing at all. it didn't seem like it was inspiring anybody else -- >> well -- >> reporter: it seemed like it was just a punch of talking points and a punch of pithy lines.
one guy in the crowd said he didn't come here for either of them, he came here for the comedy show, and he didn't even seem to be laughing, frankly. >> reporter: those students behind you, are they iowa state students? >> reporter: iowa state students. this is a much younger crowd than donald trump normally gets, and that could be part of the reason why the energy was so much lower in this room than normally. it seemed like when people were cheering, it was normally the older ones. >> the younger ones may have been just been watching the spectacle and not part of the movement, if you will. what amazed me why trump didn't take the opportunity to explain to the people how easy it is to go to a caucus in two weeks and vote. all you have to do is show up, basically, register to vote when you get there, and sign in his name and you win. i mean, he made it sound like it was a little harder. i don't think that was smart, because it ain't. it ain't hard. >> reporter: well, his iowa cochair got up on stage, she does at most of his iowa rallies and explained how to do it to the crowd and pepped them up. she explained nit a much simpler way.
all you have to do is show up and raise your hand. and you can caucus for donald trump. so that happens before he takes the stage. he doesn't really get into the specifics of that. but, again, chris, i'm not sure that this was the right place or the right time for him to -- maybe the right time, but maybe not the right place for him to hold this endorsement. it didn't seem like one of his most pro-trump crowds. >> yeah, well, they'll probably be all over the place. what's the plan -- i'm going to leave you with this question. what's the plan? is she going to travel with him, without him? is she going to hit the road in all the tough early states or not? >> reporter: she's going to be with him in iowa tomorrow. she's going to travel with him to tulsa. unclear what her schedule will be after that. but i was talking to the campaign manager a little bit earlier, and she said that she's going to be a big boost to the campaign. they're going to utilize her a lot and she's going to be really active. they're hoping it's going to play really well here in iowa, where of course he needs to move the needle. he's neck and neck with ted cruz right now. ted cruz has wrapped up the evangelicals. they're hoping they'll get new caucusgoers out. unclear how much influence she's
going to have in the rest of the country. though. this seems like very much an iowa-timed announcement. >> thank you so much, katy tur. let's go right now to moments ago. we saw sarah palin's repeated shots at president obama. here she is. >> the united states' military deserves a commander in chief who loves our country passionately and will never apologize for this country. a new commander in chief who will never leave our men behind. a new commander in chief, one who will never lie to the families of the fallen. a weak-kneed capitulator in chief has decided that america will lead from behind. and he, who would negotiate deals, kind of like with the skills of a community organizer,
maybe organizing a neighborhood tea -- >> i've got perry bacon here from nbc and michael steele. you know, i think it's interesting, why do you think he brought her in? he's a couple points ahead. she shakes things up, she's a game changer. it's fun. it's no doubt fun. bally hoo and all. risky? >> risky, but she does appeal to the tea party. cruz is winning the very conservative voters. what a moment in politics, though. eight years ago, she gave a speech about how great john mccain at the convention and now we're here with her standing besides donald trump and her speech really fit -- it was ant great speech at times, but she really did -- >> looked good in print. >> she kept talking about how the establishment is not working, is broken. she gave a really good speech, if you're a trump supporter, she really reinforced what you don't like -- >> i thought so. what she didn't do is take a good shot at cruz. is she going to birtherize him? is she going to go that far? >> i don't think so, because they have a pre-existing
personal relationship. remember, she stomped across texas for ted cruz, helped pull him across the line, and ted acknowledged that himself today. so i don't think you'll see her in that role. in fact, i think the whole ted cruz saga is pretty much run its course. i don't think there'll be much more on the birther side of that issue. i want to go back to what you said, though -- >> she believes the president was born in some other country. >> but that doesn't matter. it's not part of the conversation -- that's your conversation, that's not her conversation. >> no, her conversation is to accuse the president of being born in kenya. >> but that's not this race. that's 2008. >> so, she only discriminates -- she only says certain people are -- >> you say "discriminate," i say "move on". >> she's discerning. >> there were three takeaways from the speech i think it's important to note. bust up the establishment. what would the establishment know about conservatives? that's key. that's a key line right there. >> yeah. >> and wearing pc like a suicide vest. but that line about, what would the establishment know about conservatives? that goes back to 2008.
it goes back to 2012. it goes back to this long line of grievances that the establishment or that the conservatives have with the establishment. >> my hunch is, you know, i've watched her, like we all have, for years now. she has a particular kinetic quality on the stage. it's very magnetic. she will walk out on the stage, she's obviously an attractive woman, she'll come out on the stage with kind of a strut, that cowgirl thing she does, and it really works. today she didn't do a good choreography. you couldn't even see her behind that podium, that lectern. i think she's great on stage as a political leader. she's dazzling, you can't take your eyes off of her. she sits in a booth and talks like everybody else, you can ignore her. >> i thought this was a very different speech -- >> and she was at times sarah palin defending sarah palin. that's what i thought what was so important about tonight. when she said, the establishment doesn't like donald trump, it was look like, it doesn't like me. >> here's sarah palin taking
shots at the republican party itself. which tells you where this campaign's at. >> we need someone new who has the power and is in the position to bust up that establishment, to make things great again. it's part of the problem. his candidacy, which is a movement, it's a force, it's a strategy. they're attacking their own front-runner. for the gop establishment, to be coming after donald trump's supporters, even, with accusations that are so false, they are so busted, the way that this thing works. >> this is going right back at the republican party, the reince priebus crowd and all those people who seem like they're just dying, they don't control this thing anymore. >> it brings into the circle a lot of folks who have kind of been looking at this peripherally. some of ted cruz's supporters. some are supporters of other candidates. who also have those same grievances, who share in that frustration with the
establishment. even though they may be backing -- >> who's the establishment candidate right now? >> marco rubio. >> he is? >> i think he's the one -- >> i think he's one of them. john kasich. >> but he's a tea party guy to start with. >> okay -- >> -- immigration reform -- >> so -- >> yeah, don't buy that whole line of logic. but the -- >> what, history?
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today if it were not for governor sarah palin. she is fearless, she is principled, she is courageous, and she is a mama grizzly. >> wow. i'm joined right now by nbc's hallie jackson, up in new hampshire with the cruz campaign, ann guerin is here with me, and jeremy peters is with me, as well as republican attorney and insider establishment figure, ben ginsburg. he can't be more establishment than that. let me go to hallie jackson. what do cruz people think? they were betrayed by her? is she -- are they afraid she's going to join the birther thing against cruz and say, just like president obama, this guy's from some other country? >> reporter: yeah, i think they're disappointed, chris, i think that's very fair to say. you've talked about the relationship that ted cruz and sarah palin have had over the years. you play that sound bite, she
can pick a winner. by the way, that was quoted in donald trump's announcement of sarah palin's endorsement. what to watch now, how hard will sarah palin go after ted cruz? and will she go after ted cruz in that way? will she cheerlead for donald trump and leave it that or turn her guns on a guy like cruz. that does hold some danger for someone like palin, who is a big voice within the tea party, but then again, ted cruz has become one as well. let's see what her strategy is moving forward. >> we'll see how far she goes on the birther front. let alone the other conservative stuff. thank you, hallie. one more question about, were they surprised by this? we all got this as news today and chuck todd confirmed it, that "new york times" had it today. did they get blindsided? >> reporter: i'm not sure that they necessarily had advanced notice that this was come, but they were sort of aware that this was a possibility today. i spoke with a communications director for the campaign, who said to me early this morning, that he would be disappointed to see palin endorse, if she were
to endorse, because he believed she was a champion for conservative causes and donald trump is simply not conservative enough. that actually got him in a little bit of trouble, when he said said the same thing on a different network, got some blowback from bristol palin there, when he said, it would be a blow to sarah palin if she did endorse donald trump. zpli noticed one of the strongest arguments from her right now is that he's a real conservative and if anybody attacks him -- >> reporter: this is where she's going to help bolster his bona fides, help bolster his conservative credentials in the face of attacks like the one you're seeing right now, from ted cruz, even on the campaign trail today, that donald trump is simply a liberal in disguise. >> yeah. she didn't say that at all. she was very supportive of his credentials, as a conservative. anyway, palin seemed to be referencing ted cruz there among others when she talked about the fighters in the house and senate who need to stay there. let's watch her. >> it's gonna take a whole team! it's gonna take a whole team, fighters, all of us in the
private sector, fighters in the house and the senate. soooo, our friends who are fighters in the house and the senate today, they need to stay there and help out. they can help our new leader in the positions that they are in. >> ann guerin, what do you think? >> well, she can out-free associate donald trump, and that's saying something. but actually, i think her endorsement is of temporary importance, a little long-term values -- >> two weeks? >> yeah, right. and that's how it needs to last. it needs to puncture ted cruz, and show strong support for donald trump within a niche market that she can talk to. long-term, i don't think it makes a huge difference. >> is this the kind of stuff you put in your oil or gasoline to give it a little more pep? i think it is worth -- or even nitroglycerin. i wonder why this doesn't just pep up trump. i'm not sure the performance was 100%, but the name brand, i think, helps.
>> maybe it's like a struck match. it's like a fleeting flame. i don't know, she just doesn't have the juice she used to have. she had to cancel that whole subscription online service she had, she couldn't get enough subscribers, she got bounced from fox. she doesn't have the appeal she used to. and when she was watching her on tv, i kept thinking to myself, this sounds like somebody's idea what they thought conservatism was four years ago. and if you're going to accuse trump of being a phony conservative, bringing on sarah palin seems like a good way to confirm that. >> that's a buzzkill. >> not only that -- >> so you think we just wasted a while covering that? >> so -- >> i wonder if you know the answer or if anybody knows, when she gets out on the trail, she gets do'd up pretty well, comes out on that stage with a certain strut, a certain style, and puts on a show for people, especially out in the country, i think. and i would be careful to assume that city mice have her figured. >> on the margins, i think she
could probably help him. >> the governor of alaska. look, i think we're going to see it next week. i want to know if she's out there hitting the trail. >> i was reporting on this today, actually. and what somebody very close to her was telling me is she was going to join trump in iowa, new hampshire, and south carolina. >> wouldout put her as a warm-up act, separately from him? i wouldn't put them on the stage together like that. it dubt work. >> he needs surrogates. she's a surrogate with him, with the audience they're aiming for. which is the very conservative republican primary audience. furthermore, what she does is reinforce that he's the disrupter in the race. he's the outsider candidate, and that's where it's an advantage to trump over cruz. >> so if you really want a firecracker to go off the night of the iowa caucuses, heard around the world, you vote for trump if you listen to her. >> that's right, absolutely. and this announcement today, no matter what you want to give it for stage presence, plays to the right audience to be -- >> it will be on the front page of your paper tomorrow, right? >> sure.
>> top of the fold? >> i don't know, i don't design the page. >> i bet it's top of the fold of "usa today," which is probably more representative of either of your papers. >> they're all lamestream media, as far as she's concerned. >> hallie, let me ask you this -- >> i was just going to say -- >> -- are they going to come back with joni ernest or somebody as a counterpunch. do they have a counterpunch plan in the cruz campaign for this today? >> reporter: they're going to be rolling out, i think you're going to see them rolling out some support over these next couple of weeks. i don't think anyone will match, necessarily, sarah palin's star power. but i'll tell you who you might think the real winner of this day was, and that's going to be tina fey and "saturday night live". >> you are ahead of me, so well. thank you so much. anyway, hallie jackson, helping out, anyway. we've got to predict those things. jeremy peters of "the new york times" and ben ginsburg of gop establishment.
up next, the republican roundtable, or the "hardball" roundtable is coming here to endorse sarah palin's endorsement of donald trump. the next question, what will it do for him in iowa? that's what it's about now. the big out there in less than two weeks. in less than a minute, bernie sanders hitting new highs in new hampshire. wait until you see his numbers in new hampshire. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.
well, bernie sanders has been his biggest lead ever against hillary clinton up in new hampshire. look at this, a new cnn/wmur poll of democratic voters in new hampshire just out tonight shows sanders increasing his lead, as i said, over hillary clinton in that crucial first primary state. catch these numbers. sanders tops clinton by 27 points. 60 -- 6-0 -- to 33. that's hers, 33. that's a ten-point increase from where sanders was in december, as seven-point slip for former secretary clinton. here's sanders' reaction to the new numbers. >> i like that, actually. >> do you have to win -- >> you know, look, polls are polls. and today was a good poll and tomorrow may not be a good poll. >> wow. "hardball" returns after this.
well, look, we are mad and we've been had. they need to get used to it. this election is more than just your basic abcs, anybody but clinton. we're not going to chill. in fact, it's time to drill, baby, drill. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was a scene not long ago in iowa. in fact, up there in ames, where donald trump landed a major endorsement from the darling of the tea party, former alaska governor, sarah palin. a little over three years ago, palin was campaigning for trump's main rival, ted cruz, for that senate race in texas. >> ted cruz represents the positive change that we need! he represents that change, and that is why you see the disgusting attacks thrown at him. texas, will you send a good man to washington, d.c. to fight for all of us?! >> now, that's a palin show you saw right there.
palin's endorsement led every network newscast tonight, by the way. every one of them, abc, nbc, cbs, and that's, of course, it could be a big change factor in the 2016 republican presidential primary. let's bring in the "hardball" roundtable to round it out. kasie hunt is a nbc political correspondent, and heidi prez bolla with "usa today." the one danger i see, i think trump has emerged as a credible candidate in the suburbs of the northeast. i looked a to the numbers in connecticut tonight he was reporting. i can see trump, for example, smashing bernie sanders in the suburbs of the northeast and the midwest. i think he comes across sometimes, despite all the outrageous things he says, i think he's a smart guys and knows how to make money. he's more of a suburbanite than these other guys. bringing in palin is dangerous, because she turns on suburban woman with who are thoughtful and read the newspaper. they say, wait a minute, this is
too much of a cowgirl. all that said, he ain't running in the suburbs of connecticut or in the suburbs of chicago. he's running in the outskirts of iowa where people are very conservative. >> he's absolutely running in iowa. and you can start to see it in the conservative media, this shift where some people were suggesting, oh, there are people in the establishment who could work with donald trump. and donald trump might be the one. you know, they stomp on our neck and then they tell us, just
it brands him in a way. anybody who knows donald trump says if he needs to move to the center the at any point to change his positions, figure out what else to say, he doesn't need and chore on him, an albatross like sarah palin. i think there are risks. we haven't seen her campaign yet. she looked a little bit rusty tonight. >> i think she's got the words down. >> the next couple days, we'll see her. i'll bet you even odds she will say something that the trump campaign will not like. >> she also will have a better rendition of what she said today. this is the first time she read any of this stuff. this was sight reading. > i know you like numbers. the last time we polled because a lot of pollsters stopped asking about sarah palin, she was only 27 percentage points plus favorability in the republican party. that's nationally. those are the numbers you're talking about nationally in terms of the northeast and the damage she could do. but in iowa, actually during the joni ernst race, ann selzer
looked and it was 35%. she's right around that same level as trump. so i think she could help fire those people up. but does she bring in anyone new? >> trump has to get people, your age, come to the thing and realize how easy it is to vote in these caucuses. tonight he didn't seem to sell it. it's easy. there's a young woman that comes on, i've seen the 30-second ads online. just show up, print out the name trump. print it out and say you want to be a republican and register as a republican. you're out in less than an hour. that is a good sales pitch. >> i think what happened tonight. >> these are for newcomers. >> what she does, i don't know if she brings another vote to trump but she allows him yet again to dominate the conversation. there are 13 days left. every day he dominates, it freezes out ted cruz. >> what about this thing somebody said awhile ago right here, he becomes the detonator
cap by bringing her in, the most explosive candidate. if you want to blow apart the establishment in the republican party, what's the biggest explosion, are trump or cruz? he's trying to make it trump. >> my argument would be there was some danger in that switch for trump and that you know, there was some sense that was starting to happen and that was ultimately going to help cruz in iowa because all the energy is anti-establishment. this puts him back a little bit more in that corner with those voters. i'm not sure what it's going to do. >> it makes him more or less scary? >> i'm not sure the weigh establishment thinks it makes him more or less scary either way. >> let's start with democrats. hillary clinton now looks at a difficult football. she would be looking at a difficult defense on the other side. she probably can't win new hampshire at this point. it's only three weeks off. she can win iowa, obviously. but it won't be enough to take her over the top in new hampshire. this guy's got a 2-1 lead. does she take the loss?
do you say i'm going to win iowa and if i don't win iowa and new hampshire, i'm going to look to south carolina and the black vote? >> the good thing for her is there are only two choices. if bernie sanders happens to win in iowa which i'm not sure is going to happen -- >> you do think he'll win new hampshire? >> i don't know if he's 27 points up. that really seems pretty big jump. but if he wins new hampshire, whether you know, he's won the first one or not, then we all focus on south carolina. she will have the money and the discipline. it's going to be a really difficult week or two for her in between loser lose, loser here we go again. >> how about the last time when she had a fight and her people said south carolina doesn't count because it's mostly african-americans? they going to try that one again? >> don't forget nevada, too. >> you got to say nevada. >> she won't be out of it, but it will be a miserably difficult week for the clintons.
>> it's going to be tough hoeing for them. it's good to get tough if they're going to win the general. >> i think she ought to get recognized the world ain't hillaryland. it's a tough world. take it on. up next, these three will tell me something i don't know. they've had a lot of time to prepare. the place for politics coming up.
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roundtable. casey, tell me something i don't know. >> hillary clinton's campaign is dying for bernie sanders to come under the media scrutiny they think he's going to get after that debate performance and his rising numbers in iowa. >> will the "new york times" go after him. >> it's entirely possible. >> they've been tough on hillary. i think she's faced pretty tough scrutiny. >> i talked to a senior dnc person today. they tell me a tremendous amount of regret in the high ranks of the dnc there the aren't more debates. >> by the way, i think hillary clinton may wish she had more debates. >> they're reflecting. it goes to show you anytime a political party changes the rules to get one set -- it's always backwards. >> is this the worst mistake since they didn't take metro to george town? >> it's up there. >> go ahead. >> the past couple of election cycles the winner of social media won the collection. barack obama. this time people are assuming the same thing will be true about trump. the data is not bearing that out. you'll see ben carson, you'll
see guys like huckabee ahead of jeb bush and marco rubio. so basically the take away is that originality and being able to kind of be authentic on social is what is leading this election. but it doesn't necessarily translate to votes. >> thank you so much. i'm going to think about that. i didn't understand it. but thank you, david corn. and thank you heidi. by the way, that does it for "hardball." i'm sure it was brilliant. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all-in. >> no more pussy footing around. >> donald trump gets a thriller from wasilla. >> he is the master at the art of the deal. >> sarah palin picks donald trump for president. >> are you ready to make america great again? >> tonight, what this means for iowa and the last ditch republican effort to stop this endorsement.