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are doing to help the people of flint. and tracking what's expected to be a major snowstorm on the east coast that could dump two feet of snow or more and cause power outages across the east coast. good morning, everyone. we begin with 2016 politics. sarah palin was a no-show this morning at a donald trump campaign stop in iowa despite being expected to appear alongside the republican front-runner. in an e-mails to supporters sent out yesterday, the trump campaign promised "a very special guest at this morning's event in norwalk, iowa," an event that wrapped up moments ago after a 40-minute speech from trump with no sign of the form he alaska governor. palin was also expected to join trump in oklahoma later this afternoon at a rally at oral roberts university in tulsa. a press release from the campaign said palin would travel with trump to both events. it all comes of course less than 24 hours after palin's high-profile endorsement of
trump which has drawn mixed reviews. nbc's katy tur is in norwalk, iowa, where a lot is happening this morning. but none of it so far includes sarah palin. so let's talk about what the mix-up was here, katy. >> reporter: it's unclear what the mix-up was here. we were told in the press release, we were told via supporter e-mails, supporters were told on their tickets that there would be a very special guest which is the same thing that he was touting for his event last night in ames. but no sarah palin here at this event today, which is unusual. we initially thought that maybe he would get up on stage and do his speech, then introduce her like he did last night but she just did not come on stage. we spoke to a lot of the voters after they left and there was mixed reaction. some said that they would have really liked to see her. they were hoping to see her here. others said they didn't really care. they thought trump was enough. that's a lot of the reaction i was getting in ames last night as well. some of the older folks said they were happy to see sarah
palin campaigning with trump. they like the idea that he has a woman who's just as much of a firebrand as he is. others said they were worried about having her play a role in any sort of administration that they may have. they said that she is passed her prime, that she had her heyday. younger people in the crowd said they were just there for the comedy. these younger people, frankly, they were not very old when sarah palin was a superstar back in 2008. they were about 10, 12, 13 years old. they weren't really privy to everything that was going on at the time or really aware of that was going on at the time. their knowledge of sarah palin has more been the "snl" routines and the pop culture references to sarah palin over the years rather than the political figure. and frankly, she was kind of giving her 2008 greatest hits last night. she talked about joe six-pack, drill, baby, drill, and the crowd really wasn't as into it as many expected them to be. they were relatively silent throughout most of her speech.
she whipped them up into a frenzy-ish a couple of times when she said chop the head of o of isis, cut the head off of isis or bomb the "blank" out of isis. but for the most part the reaction was tepid for him and frankly for donald trump as well. when he ended his speech there weren't the usual boisterous cheers and applause that we get at a normal trump rally. >> all right, katy. interesting observations there. the question is now what impact will sarah palin have on this election. "washington post" national little bit reporter and msnbc political analyst robert costa writes that palin's endorsement is the latest prize in an ongoing battle between trump and cruz for the support of conservative kingmakers. he wrote, "in this race, it is the media titans, personalities and activists who long stood on the gop's fringe who now have all the cache." robert, let me pick up on what katy tur -- and i observed this and i think many people watching that rally yesterday, the response from the audience to
sarah palin, i think, if you are objective here, certainly was not what people would have expected. we haven't seen her on the campaign trail. there she is. and there was limited applause. >> it is true that governor palin is no longer the same kind of political figure she was in 2008 when she was on the republican ticket. but at the same time, she remains a figure of respect on the far right. she's someone who goes to conservative events. she appears for conservative candidates in primaries so she has some political capital in that respect. and in the fight especially between trump and cruz, that political capital, however small or however big, could matter. >> but that political capital when you look at who could she bring into the donald trump fold, it seems as if they are playing to the same audience. any person in that audience yesterday would have likely have attended with or without sarah palin. right? >> perhaps. i've spoken to some allies of senator cruz and their concern
is that governor palin would plus help trump with women voters. female conservative republican voters who have had some concerns about trump. he may help him with those voters. he may also help trump with evangelical voters. she's been a long standing figure in the evangelical community and in iowa that's important. but at the same time, you're right, this is someone who's not a main player in the republican party day to day but she still has some cache on the right. >> it's interesting you mentioned helping him with, female voters. numbers out recently on her showed she is not that popular with women anymore. some of her ventures have failed from her youtube channel. she no longer has the platform of fox news. and on ted cruz's side, potentially he could get a boost from glenn beck. that may not boost him with the women but certainly some believe that that could negate some of the power of palin if glenn beck comes out with a very strong speech for ted cruz. >> that's right.
glenn beck will be in iowa this saturday helping out senator cruz and there's no argument that governor palin's star has diminished in the broader republican party since her vice presidential run. what i'm talking about in my story today is the anti-establishment establishment, this group that counters the gop establishment, that's on talk radio, that's at conservative events. they have power and she's part of that group. >> just quickly i want to play what ted cruz said in new hampshire yesterday on sarah palin. kind of i think cleaning up what was perceived as an attack on her, a slight attack, when he mentioned her brand could be diminished by supporting donald trump. >> i think it would be a blow to sarah palin because sarah palin has been a champion for the conservative cause and if she was going to endorse donald trump, sadly she would be endorsing someone who's held progressive views all their life on sanctity of life, on marriage and partial birth abortion.
he was a t.a.r.p. -- supported t.a.r.p. bailout. it goes on and on and on. donald trump claims he's changed all those views, but i think if it was sarah palin, let me just say i'd be deeply disappointed. >> clearly that's not ted cruz. we apologize. bottom line, he said i love sarah palin. sarah palin is fantastic. this is after the cruz campaign said it was a blow to sarah palin, would hurt her standing among conservatives. >> a lot of conservative voters you encounter on the campaign trail look back at tgovernor palin's experience in 2008 and she's a sympathetic figure to those on the right how she was treated. that's what trump hopes on the campaign trail today. i want to bring our audience breaking news from wall street. right now the dow is down more than 400 points. that as oil fell to a new
12-year low, under $28 a barrel. nbc news business correspondent olivia sterns joins me now with the reaction to it. we've been watching this for the last hour or so and now we're at 405. >> just slightly off session lows here but in the big picture stocks just keep on getting hammered. right now the dow is down over 400 points. the s&p is off by about 8%. the benchmarks, both the s&p and dow officially in correction territory for the year -- or excuse me, in correction territory. that means they are off 10% or more from their most recent peak. the selling is global though. the msci global index, sort of our global benchmark for stocks, that's now in bear territory meaning it is 20% or more off of its most recent peak. everybody is selling every kind of risky asset they own and fleeing to the safety of thinks like u.s. treasuries. the yield on the 10-year note is now below 2%. we're also seeing a lot of people fleeing into gold. overall, risk off mood on wall
street. two big reasons, once again the selling overseas. overnight we saw the nikkei, the benchmark index in japan, fall into bear territory. everybody's worried about china and then it is oil. which you mentioned, oil now trading below 28% a barrel. we haven't been at these levels since 2014 and we're hearing a lot of analysts say things could go even lower. >> olivia, thank you very much. also developing new, surrounding the water crisis in flint. president obama's now heading to detroit, leaving d.c. only moments ago. he is not scheduled though to stop in flint which is 70 miles away but the president did meet with mayor karen weaver yesterday at the white house where he promised to support state and local officials responding to the lead contamination disaster. $5 million in federal aid has been made available to the city so far. the president is sending dr. nicole lurie, an official with the health and services
department to flint today to koocoordinate the effort. mayor weaver is expected to appear at the annual winter meeting of u.s. mayors in a few minutes. certainly the outrage meantime in michigan continues. protesters you see there demanding the resignation of governor rick snyder as he made his state of the state address last night. now he's been criticized for months over the way he's handled the crisis which has been going on now for almost two years. governor snyder promised to release e-mails today from 2014 to 2015. he again apologized for not acting quickly enough. >> government failed you. federal, state and local leaders, by breaking the trust you placed in us.
i'm sorry most of all that i let you down. you deserve better. you deserve accountability. >> the people of flint complained immediately after flint switched water sources in 2014. but officials insisted the water was safe. this past september doctors discovered alarming levels of lead in children's blood. a month later, flint switched back to its water source. the governor did not declare a state of emergency until this month. the environmental protection agency said officials acted too slowly, but an nbc investigation shows the epa knew of the lead contamination as far back as last february. msnbc's tony dokoupil joins me now from flint. tony, we've looked at the timelines, e-mails that are set to be released may fill in some of the holes as well. but what is clear is that the city officials, state officials have known for some time, and now it appears federal officials as well knew of some time for this problem.
>> reporter: that's right, tamron. one of the big questions here is where was the epa? the epa is the premier federal watchdog when it comes to environmental protection. it is obama's attack dog on clean water, climate change. a frequent subject of criticism from particularly the republican side of the aisle. nbc investigation confirmed a water expert from the epa knew as early as february of last year there were problems with the water supply here in flint. those worries were confirmed in april, in june, and then epa moved to try to get the state to act by july. in the epa's version of events, this wasn't their responsibility to fix the water. it was to ask the state, the primary caretaker here, to do its job. it says it got resistance and met failures at the state level and really pushes the criticism down. meanwhile governor snyder is now pushing criticism up saying the epa had failures throughout its organization. he said that to the national journal and in his speech he laid heavy blame on his own health officials. right no you have you a circle of blame. it is not clear who will ultimately have the buck stop at their foot.
multiple investigations are now ongoing at the federal and state level to finally get some sorts of answer. but it is now clear the epa has acknowledged it could have done more but ultimately says it is not their problem, it is the state's problem. >> getting clean water, tony, cher is helping deliver 180,000 bottles of water to families there. but what about the state effort? we spoke with a mom yesterday of three, she's pregnant, she's yet to receive filter for her water at home, for her faucet at home, or clean water for her children in the form of bottled water. >> reporter: that's right. the governor last night touted some of his early actions in the first three months of this crisis saying thousands of homes have been visited. but to this day fewer than half of the homes in flint have had a knock on their door, a visit from somebody with clean water and a check to make sure that what's coming out of the faucet has a filter on it. the crisis is ongoing. mothers we talked to still don't have the help they need. we'll check later today to see if they get it.
>> flint's water crisis is being compared to the disaster of hurricane katrina. in an interview this week the "national journal" asked governor snyder, critics have called this your katrina. do you think that's unfair? snyder retlplied -- no, it's a disaster. joining me, former fema director michael brown who was in charge in 2005 when hurricane katrina hit the gulf coast and resigned during the aftermath. mr. brown, thank you so much for joining us again. >> you bet, tamron. >> let's talk about what we just heard there from tony dokoupil on the ground. it sounds eerily familiar to what happened in new orleans where you have the federal government blaming the state, the state blaming in many ways the federal government. we know that you defended your actions during hurricane katrina citing that it was the governor at the time, kathleen blanco, and mayor ray nagin who bore the brunt of the responsibility of making sure its citizens were safe. >> you cannot imagine how frustrating this story is to me because once again we've got the
s circumstanlar people, federal s and local, all pointing the fingers at each other. what i hope the media does is step back, look at this and realize that at some point location the officials knew it, the state officials knew it, the federal officials knew it, so it is not a matter of pointing the blame at federal, state or local officials. it's pointing the blame at all of them. because every single layer of bureaucracy failed to stand up and wave that red flag and say we have a serious problem here and something needs to be done. now whether that's a whitt whistle-blower, whether that's somebody going to the media, off the record or whatever it is, somebody had to ring the bell and say, there's a problem. and what drives me up the wall is we're never going to learn this lesson. we're never going to learn the lesson that the bureaucracy -- i'm not trying to pick on civil servants here because they're just trying to do their job.
but civil servants get boxed in by rules and regulations, and even though they may know something's wrong, they're afraid to step outside of that box and wave their hand and say, look, there's a serious problem here, people are going to get hurt unless we do something. so you know what? a pox on that system for failure to just stand up and say to you guys, whether it be any media outlet, we've got a problem here and that media outlet not screaming from the heavens, look, fix this. >> that is essentially what's happened. a whistle-blower believed to have come forward and got this water tested outside of the state and was able to provide this proof. but when you look at the situation again like katrina, some of the poorest in the city, in flint, michigan, i believe it is somewhere around 40% live below the poverty line. they were collecting the water. they were showing proof of beyond, okay, water tastes funny. the appearance of the water on its own should have been disturbing in itself.
but looking again at the bureaucracy, why do you believe the mistakes made during katrina have not provided some kind of template here? including with the epa who we now learned through the e-mails was aware. but to your point, felt the need to follow -- follow bureaucratic protocol. >> that's the problem. look. i have studied this, i've been involved in this now for 20-plus years. but we somehow have to teach both congress and the executive branch that we set up a framework in which we expect these straigadministrative ageno private. but just like at msnbc, you have rules and regulations but people should be empowered to step outside of those rules and regulations and do what is the right thing to do. until we teach people that, it is not going to change. >> but michael, you have people who will say, you describe the bureaucracy there, but
essentially what we have been watching play out is a group here, a group there trying to cover their butts. >> oh, there's no question about that. i think that's why the media -- look, the media plays a role in this, too. look, if somebody came to you and said, we think there's a problem here, i know that media outlets are stretched thin. nobody really has a lot of money to do things. but imagine one reporter taking that and discovering that and then pushing that as hard as he can, pushing that story out as hard as he can. that's what politicians respond to, is the fear that they're going to get caught not doing something when there is a problem. so again, we can place blame on all levels of government and we have to figure out a way to empower these people and empower the media -- i'm going to say to all of your bosses at nbc, the bosses at all of the networks -- you ought to make sure people have the resources they need so when they hear a snippet of
information, they go out and report it. that's what politicians respond to. >> michael moore was on yesterday praising rachel maddow. erin brockovich exactly one year ago today her first tweet went out on this, a well respected name obviously in the environmental world and our community. bottom line -- as with the case with new orleans, you see the poor side of the communities, african-americans. flint, same description, poor in some cases poor white and black. do you believe we are here, do you believe this story was ignored, like with katrina because of the color of skins of those affected and the economic situation of those affected? >> no -- let me rephrase it. because i don't think it is ignored because of that. because i -- look, i sincerely believe that it doesn't make any difference about someone's skin color, or their financial statement or anything else. the people at all levels of
government want to help everybody. >> so you don't believe thif th was an affluent community this would have gone ignored, that this would have been treated equally. >> no, i think the difference is this. i think in an affluent community you might have somebody who feels more emboldened to stand up and say, look, i'm not going to put up with this. and in the poorer communities, poor people are less likely to assert themselves. they're less likely to scream and holler. they -- they feel -- >> but that's not what happened here. there were people, to your point, screaming and hollering. we've talked uto a number of families who produced water samples who were ignored. so maybe they are screaming and hollering and no one is listening because they don't have the same economic power or perceived power. >> and that may be absolutely true. and let's just assume for a moment that that is true. if that's the case, then that even strengthens my argument
more about we need to give the bureaucracy more flexibility. because you cannot convince me that there's somebody within the bureaucracy that -- look, in every group of people you will have people that are more influenced by one sector, or more so by another sector. but what you'll never convince me of is that in every bureaucracy there's not a civil servant that cares deeply about these issues, irrespective, regardless of what someone's skin color is or what their bank account looks like. so we've got to empower those people to somehow stand up and ring the alarm bell and protect them when they do so, because, look. the bottom line is, take me, for example. if i had screamed from the mountaintop in the midst of katrina that the department of defense wasn't doing what i was asking them to do, or that michael chertoff was ignoring the requests that i was making, i probably would have been fired on the spot for not having toed
the company line. but that's my point about empowering civil servants to do what is right, and we don't do that in this country. we keep them all boxed in this these little boxes of rules. well, you know what? screw the rules. allow people to step outside of that box when it is the right thing to do. >> all right, former fema director michael brown, thank you so much for joining us. there is some clean water headed to flint, michigan, as i mentioned. it is being provided by cleher. she's been on the front line on social media discussing this. we'll also be joined by environmental activist erin brockovich who actually started sounding the alarm a year ago about the flint water crisis. also developing, winter storms from the south and northeast expected to produce wet, heavy snow. people are being told to brace for possible power outages. nbc meteorologist dylan dreyer is next with the latest forecast. and developing now, we're getting our first look at "washington post" reporter jason rezaian after he was freed by iran. what he said only moments ago. beyond natural grain free pet food
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the european model still keeps washington with two feet, with philadelphia possibly over a foot. boston is right on the edge, could end up with six inches but new york city could wind up with a foot as well. also developing now -- nearly every public school in detroit is closed this morning as teachers refuse to show up to work and there are new protests planned around president obama's visit to the city for the auto show. teachers have taken to social media demanding officials fix the dilapidated schools in their district. we'll be right back. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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watchdog. in a letter to congressional lawmakers last week, the inspector general said some of clinton's e-mails were determined to be top secret/sap, meaning special access programs. it is a designation that includes some of the most closely guarded u.s. intelligence secrets. the new information comes as new polling finds clinton losing even more ground to bernie sanders nationally and in the key early voting states. a new poll of democrats nationwide show bernie sanders now trailing hillary clinton by 15 points. she led by 33 points in the poll just a month ago. right now she's getting a boost on the campaign trail in new hampshire where former president bill clinton is campaigning again for his wife. nbc's kristin welker is in concord where he is going to actually appear at the event in the next hour. let's talk about the campaign's response to this document obtained by nbc news, kristin. >> reporter: well, tamron, their response is what we have heard
from them so many times when there is a new revelation about her e-mails being classified after the fact. they stress the fact that, look, at the time that these e-mails were exchanged there was no information that was designated as classified. they say that that designation was given after the fact and therefore there was no wrongdoing. but tamron, it underscores the fact that this is an ongoing political problem for secretary clinton. we are now less than two weeks away from the iowa caucuses and again the campaign dealing with yet another one of these headlines about her e-mails at a time when as you pointed out, bernie sanders is surging. what we are seeing from the clinton campaign is a ramped-up strategy to make the argument, really a closing argument, that she is the more electable candidate, stressing her experience and also stressing the fact that bernie sanders just rolled out, for example, a health care plan that would raise taxes on almost all americans. that's their argument, the sanders campaign argues that ultimately health care costs
would go down. interestingly, tamron, former president bill clinton has really kept his argument to stressing secretary clinton's qualifications. but today we saw something different. today he took hard aim -- direct aim at bernie sanders. take a listen. >> the real issue is who can win the election, who's prepared to do the job, who can make real change. and i thought the most interesting answers in the debates were when they both agreed on the issues, and they agree on most of these problems that we need to address. and they're both passionate. >> i want to take you to some breaking news. the mayor of flint, michigan, karen weaver, speaking at the annual winter conference. >> -- speak up and speak out about what's going on in flint, but i am really glad to be here because i know that we're going
to get more resources. i'm going to get to talk with the people that i need to talk with and we're going to do everything possible to continue to move flint forward and get us clean, quality water. thank you so much. >> thank you very much. we appreciate you. >> just some brief comments there we were able to capture from the mayor of flint, pledging to fix this problem. we are expecting to learn more about who knew what when as we've heard so often during a crisis that led to the contamination of the drinking water. the governor, rick snyder, is planning to release more e-mails regarding this crisis. also today the first shipment of almost 200,000 bottles of fresh water came in to the city paid for by the legendary entertainer, cher, who calls the situation a tragedy. cher has been tweeting her disgust about what's happened in the city and how it's been ignored and she's reached out to
icelandic glacial, the water company, to get some help and cher joins us now by phone. cher, thank you so much for joining us. >> hi, sweetheart. >> thank you. listen, your tweets have gotten so much attention. you are very vocal politically on all platforms. why did you feel the need to jump in right now on the issue of flint and this water crisis? >> i think -- well, i think it's because i heard -- well, of course i heard about this story from rachel. but what i heard that the effects of this water would be in these children forever and would keep them from having the same opportunities because of being given poisoned water by the governor and having people that knew about it, it just killed me. also, detroit was closer to
home. >> i think a lot of people like you could not believe what they were hearing, what they were reading, that every child in that community, somewhere around 8,000, all exposed to this poisonous water. the entire community just at a standstill waiting for help. it took someone like yourself to contact this water company, this water bottle company and say, let's do something, that it was coming from civilians like yourself, celebrity or not. these are the people who have been stepping up. >> well, you know, also, it wasn't that easy. thank god they came because, they're not even an american company. i went to american companies and i couldn't get the help that i needed. i'm not used to doing -- well, i am actually used to doing these kinds of things, but not in this kind of way. so i was -- it's like michigan is no longer a democracy. these men, these emergency managers, well, they're women,
too, these emergency managers are appointed by this government. they can go into a community. usurp the elected officials, give them nothing to say, fire a police department, fire a fire department, and then just report to him. it doesn't make any difference what the laws are or -- i mean it's insane. it's like the governor's now not a governor, he's the dictator of michigan. >> when you hear governor snyder, as he did yesterday, say that he will fix this, admit that this is his hurricane katrina, and that he takes responsibility, does that mean anything to you? >> no, absolutely not. it's too little, too late. who cares? i mean everyone's sorry when they get caught. you need to care before. you need to care when you know that the health -- that the people that you have responsibility for, that you are taking care of them. you know, you are their public
servant. you don't get to push them around. it's always poor people. also the neighborhoods, the counties, they're mostly black and they're all poor. so he just took advantage of people that have no voice. you know? it's such -- that's such a cheap shot. you can take advantage of people who have no voice. because who's going to hear them? and yet rachel maddow did, and then i did. and now i think -- i think other people -- you know, organizations can get together. people in the neighborhood can get together. there's so much to do. also, these children, talking to karen about -- the mayor, she said there are no markets in flint. they don't get fresh produce. and because -- i said, well, i get there's a pawn shop and things that take people's money without giving benefits on every
corner. we were talking about how there needs to be a market. well, people could come together. they need fresh produce. we were talking about a garden. but it's winter there. you know? so there are things people can do. they can organize to do small things. >> i'm curious -- >> -- you can't stand by and do nothing. >> i'm curious about what you said about people not being heard. former fema director, michael brown, was on earlier. he was part of obviously what people saw as a deplorable break down of government in hurricane katrina. his point is that he doesn't believe that these voices were ignored because they are black or brown or considered amongst the poorest in this country. he somehow believes that those who are low-income don't know the value of their voice, if they're not screaming and yelling. but you look, there are several letters that have been published from two years ago. there are several reports that may have gone ignored. but certainly they were there two years ago of people
producing photographs, producing video, showing the faucets at their children's schools covered and closed. >> you know what? i'd say that if i was him, too. >> go ahead. >> what do you say? when you've done something wrong. when you are a little kid, it is okay to lie. but when you are a grown-up, you have to stand and take responsibility. i mean real responsibility. you know? the government's known about this for a long time and did nothing. i don't believe if this an affluent community someplace they wouldn't have gotten the ears of the people that were necessary to fix it. and the fact that they didn't fix it the moment that they heard something, that they didn't have scientists in there, that they weren't going to all the schools, that they -- it's just insane. >> we talked with a mom yesterday, she's pregnant, she has three children, she's still waiting on the test results from their bloodwork to be returned to her. meanwhile, there was no water available for her or her three
children. i want to point out the water you are providing will go directly to community centers, food banks, firehouses focusing on low-income families there. 40% of the population below the poverty line. once the bottles are emptied, they will be returned to the food banks and that money will raise for some of the things that you pointed out are needed in the flint community. cher, people are aflawpplauding across the board. a lot of times celebrities don't like to speak out because there's always some group who want to put you in the box as if you are still not a citizen but you are a vocal citizen -- >> i can just tell you quickly, i didn't do it for the applause. i'm happy for it. usually when i do something like this i don't say anything but i felt that if i spoke up, people would hear and people would know -- hear about it. and do something. so i appreciate the applause because, of course, i'm an entertainer but i didn't do it for that. i did it because i really, truly care about people and i care about children and i don't
understand when someone is given protection of people that they don't protect them. >> cher, thank you again. i know you don't want the applause, but there is plenty of it out there for doing this work. 85,000 bottles. 35,000 have already been delivered. thank you, cher. >> o environmental activist erin brockovich put out a tweet on this crisis a year ago today, and here we are with this still continuing and not resolved. up next, erin brockovich. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and university partnerships, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in utica, where a new kind of workforce is being trained. and in albany,
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and feeling good, sort of.n and real, and 500 calories or less. the clean pairings menu. at panera. food as it should be. didn't take a scientist to tell us that brown water is not good. and this is what we have been talking about for the longest. so the question you asked is the same question we've had. >> that was the mayor of flint, michigan, karen weaver, just
moments ago in washington, d.c. talking about her city's toxic water crisis. one of the leading voices sounding the alarm on the crisis has been prominent environmental activist erin brockovich. you may certainly recall she was the subject of the acclaimed film about her life and the role in building the case against pg and e in california and their alleged contamination of drinking water. it was exactly a year ago today erin brockovich wrote about the lead-filled water in flint on social media. it was that post that michigan lives says helped bring this to a fever pitch. erin, so honored to have you on for many reasons. but talk about there. you tweeted a year ago. this has been going on two years ago. we know that there had been reports. maybe not national reports but certainly as i pointed out at least one picking up, why is this still unresolved? >> oh, my gosh. it's a crisis. there is a whole host of reasons why this happened. if you back it up to the
beginning, we were dealing with the community that was in bankruptcy. they had to bring in emergency water managers and to save some money, this is why they made the decision they did to switch from the detroit water to the flint water, which was a corrosive water and with the governor's permission. and for saving money and political reasons, they made a very grave plis take. we cannot be messing with our municipal water the way we do because of water quality, because of ph, because of corrosion levels. we even wrote a report for that city manager on what to do and how to treat the water and that this was going to happen. but it fell on deaf ears. so for political reasons and money, this is why we're in this mess. >> you have some who believe that there is extreme negligence here, that this may even be something that should result not only in civil lawsuits which is likely but perhaps criminal investigations here. what do you say, erin? >> oh, i definitely agree.
flint is the tip of the iceberg here and is getting the national attention that it deserves. we're seeing this type of crisis and many flint, michigans across the united states. and it is time for those responsible and these agencies, and our government, and those who are in place and voted in place to protect us to be accountable. and when does it switch from negligence to criminal? and i agree with some of those statements. and i was listening to the governor in his state of the state and he said it is his katrina. katrina was nature made. this is a man-made governors and political decisions that caused this. and somebody should be held accountable and it's something that we have to learn from and we can't do this again. we cannot continue to make these kind of mistakes because our water source is the most valuable, precious commodity we have that all of us cannot live without. we've got to be careful and
responsible when we come in and we change water chemistry and we cover it up, the devastation is horrific. look at what's happened to this community and happened to this community and -- >> it's irreversible depending on how much lead the children have been exposed to and the long-term effect of long-effect of this. when you're saving dollars, when you mess around with the water supply, then a year passes or two-year mark here, you have the typical back and forth of whether or not it's the governor, whether or not it's the epa, that you brought into this. it seems that, tell it to the families and the children, there's enough to go around here of what seems to be anegregious
mishandling here. >> i have to look at in my opinion right here to the water manager at that time who is responsible for this and who is responsible for him. and that is the governor. they made very bad calls, very bad decisions. sorry is not good enough. you have potentially destroyed 10,000 to 15,000 children's future and you're going to have to be held accountable to that. and i do agree with the sit zcis of flint. and someone has to be accountabl accountable. >> you made the point the protesters made yesterday. this has to go all the way back to the decision that was made that put that management in place. ultimately, he made that
decision to save a few dollars. and according to allegations, chose to ignore the proof, the brown water, the corrosive pipes that repeatedly was shown and ignored, according to all the reports and information out. erin, thank you so much. you are a valuable, needed voice. i appreciate you joining us today. >> thank you for having me. >> we'll be right back. i've settled for cable all my life. but directv has been number one in customer satisfaction over cable for 15 years. we find our satisfaction elsewhere. the boy has his stick and hoop. the girl - her faceless doll. and you have your cabbages. and you...have your foot stomping. i sure do. (vo) don't be a settler. get rid of cable and upgrade to directv. call 1-800-directv. to take care of my heart.s that's why i take meta. meta is clinically proven to help lower cholesterol. try meta today. and for a tasty heart healthy snack, try a meta health bar.
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