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>> not very many people read him anymore. people don't even think about "the national review." i guess they want to get a little publicity. but that's a dying paper.
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>> somebody that really knows how to make deals. we have to make our country rich again. we owe $19 trillion. it's going to be $21 trillion because of the bad budget deal they made. we need somebody who know what is they're doing. we have a bunch of politicians that have no clue. and that's why i think i'm so high in polls. >> what issues do you think you can make with democrats? >> we can make deals with lots of people. we're not always going to get along with the democrats. you know what, i watched ronald reagan and tip o'neill do a great job together. they were very different types of people, and yet they were able to make deals and the
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country was really singing. it was doing well. take a look he has republican senators. he doesn't have one endorsement from a senator. number two, wasn't born in this country. nobody knows actually nobody knows -- they're looking right now. they're trying to figure it out. he can't even run for president. he's got a problem. and then, of course, he's got a problem with the fact that he took money from goldman sachs. he took money from citibank and didn't report it. he's got a lot of problems. >> how does it feel to get sarah pay lip's endorsement. >> she called and said i would love to endorse you. i would wh have to endorse you. you see that from coverage from "time" magazine which was a good but fair story. sarah palin called, i think ted
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cruz expected to get sarah palin. she has great influence, i thought she was terrific yesterday. it is an honor to have her endorsement. >> any thoughts on the -- >> no thoughts on that. whatever happens happens. this country has bigger problems than the oscar's. >> who else -- >> many people from the party called, many people that are conservative, i guess you would call them in some cases establishment. people are calling to see what's happening. you look at the polls, you see you are up by 28 points in a state, iowa comes out today, two polls, one you're up ten, one 11, we're doing well. honestly, the party has to be healed and brought together and i think the party can be brought
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together. >> mr. trump, i read in september your plan on the second amendment. i liked every word. but it doesn't square with your past positions. when did that change? >> i think it happened over a period of time, i evolved like ronald reagan did. he was liberal as a young man, he became more and more conservative. i feel strongly about the second amendment, even more so with what's happened. you look at paris, california, and horrible things happening all over the place, people need protection. we have to get protection. second amendment is very important. my two sons are members of the nra, expert hunters and everything else, feel strongly about it. >> presidential primary, why do you never vote in a presidential primary? >> i don't know that that's a fact. >> your voting record says you never voted in a primary. >> i vote a lot. i don't know that that's fair.
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>> in iowa there are ads on christian radio that have been questioning ted cruz's authenticity as a conservative, knowing in the years there's public data available, he hasn't given much to charity. should that be a consideration for voters? what is your sense of his authentici authenticity. >> i don't want to speak to his authenticity because it is not appropriate in my opinion. i will say he does have problems. he has to solve his problem as to whether he is allowed to run for president. he was born in canada, was a citizen until 15 months ago, was a citizen of canada. then said he didn't know that. he didn't know he was a citizen of canada. he was a senator from texas, a citizen of canada and said he didn't know about it. and said he didn't know about goldman, sachs and city bank when they came to his financial disclosure. seems a bit hard to believe. you know, as to his authenticity, i hope he is
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authentic. >> on giving to charity. >> i mean, he should give. i would assume he gave nothing to charity? >> there were reports of tithing. >> i would have to look. honestly, i'd have to look. >> mr. trump. >> go ahead. >> why should conservationists like hunters, anglers, bird watchers vote for you. >> i am going to keep it going. we're going to make sure. you look at the federal lands, they're a mess. an absolute mess. i am hearing about it. ask don to speak to it, being a hunter, i am a member of the nra, he is for a long time, so is eric, they tell me about the lands, and they're an absolute mess. >> we grew up as hunters, very young, had great privilege to do it. i think when i look at the outdoors, hunting, fishing and frankly anything else, it kept
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us out of a lot of other trouble. you see what kids can get into to have an object like that. keeping public lands open, maintained, not sold to the highest bidder, turned private is an important issue for us. we do this all the time where we do it once a month and talk about it at cocktail parties for 20 years, we do it every weekend, we are out there all the time. we vacation, love the tradition, want to preserve it. >> how do you continue to engage in technology and stay cutting edge, keep our kids engaged in the outdoors? >> it is about getting youth into it, the next generation, a lot of industry spend time getting women into it, momma bear, baby bear is into it. keeping that tradition that is the great outdoors alive and well. means so much to us. when i can get someone to the woods to show them something else, never had people turn around and say that was one of the greatest experiences i had.
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to make sure the traditions are there for our kids and kids behind them is important. >> why contribute if he is low in the polls. >> it is terrible. only hit him for one reason, he deserves to be it. he takes controversials about me. spending millions of dollars, doing commercials about me. he should focus, use his last name. he is ashamed of his last name. if he weren't taking commercials, he is spending millions and millions on commercials about me. he should focus on the other people ahead of him before he gets to me. zbll taking commercials against you -- >> not too many. i don't see anybody else. jeb is a loser. >> seem to be linking president obama's policies with ptsd. do you think it is fair to blame the president for ptsd?
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>> i think she frankly, you look at the problem, it is a tremendous problem of young people coming back from the middle east, you have a president who is on top. you know, i guess everything sort of starts from the top. i was honored to get her endorsement yesterday. it was really terrific. okay. >> latest cnn poll in iowa, a lot has to do with voters that did vote for you or 8 years ago, say they support you now. how are you making sure they show up? >> we have a great team, we have to see what happens. we will know by february 1st or 2nd. it is exciting. i appreciate the poll. up by 11 points. we will see what happens. i think we have a great team. see what happens. thank you all. thank you all.
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>> that was donald trump, he has a speak engagement in las vegas he is going to do now. tom davis, there's trump of all people saying, quote, the party has to be healed. i guess you'll be getting your phone call about how to heal the republican party? >> lawrence, i have to tell you, they didn't lay a glove on him. no specifics. he had a good bearing on this, and the average person sitting out there, alienated, they didn't lay a glove on him. >> jonathan, he claims many people from the party are calling him, never gives names. that perfect joe mccarthy style. maybe they are, maybe they aren't. >> i agree with the congressman. the take away is that trump is increasingly having bearing that some people, some misguided people will mistake for being presidential, especially when
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you have a press corp that's made up of a hollywood reporter, nra reporter, a conservation industry representative, a couple people only interested in a horse race, and maybe one or two decent questions in the bunch. you wonder why trump has done well. i think the press, we had good reporting, especially from some of the dogged reporters from this network, but by and large the press is not doing the job explaining what the stakes are in a trump presidency, what this would mean if this man became president of the united states. that's the only issue. the rest of it back and forth, the polls, press shouldn't be asking questions in such numbers about those kinds of issues. focus on this man as a potential president.
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didn't see it tonight in that press conference. >> joy, he was asked by someone there why he has never voted in a presidential primary. apparently that's what that person's checking of voting records indicate. we don't know who that reporter is. donald trump's answer is he doesn't know if he voted in presidential primaries. that kind of moment, that's the purely trumpian moment which in any campaign prior to this one, any candidate, would just be, you know, on the ropes in a situation like that if you discovered this person never voted in the democratic presidential primary, never voted in the republican presidential primary. with trump it is one of the questions that flew by, i am sure there will be no follow-ups. >> yeah, because i think the correct answer was it doesn't matter. who cares. at this point the specifics about trump's ideas, specifics about to jonathan's point some
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of the more outrageous things he said that he would represent as president of the united states, as much as i represent charlie cook there aren't three lanes of the republican party any more, there are four pieces. money, establishment, elite wing, evangelical wing, blue collar populist wing, they have to decide at this point if they're even able to be compatible with the same party and movement conservative wing, left them out, national review wing that includes the entertainment complex, they have to decide if they have enough common interest to unite around one candidate. if they don't, the leader of the largest piece, the largest one of those fourths will win. right now, the person who's leading the largest quadrant of the party is donald trump, he has the most excited part of the party, the most fervent part of the party and the simplest message, he is going to stop
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illegal immigration, and that's it. that's all he needs for that wing. the establishment wing is defungt. they lost touch with the base of the party, don't understand the party, don't understand nobody is listening any more. it is over. >> joy, i just don't agree with that. i agree with 95% of your analysis, but dinosaurs can still bite. and there are a lot of lack of better term country club republicans that are still in that party and live in big states that have not been heard from yet. >> sure. >> and they will have a role in the process. to say stick a fork in it, it's done, i think is premature now. we're going to see somebody representing that part of the party. doesn't mean they're going to win, but they're going to get delegates the way trump would. >> the challenge, though, is that the person with the best
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opportunity to unite more than one wing of the party is ted cruz. and he seems to be the person that touches more than one of those boxes of it, takes more than one box because he goes at evangelicals and at movement people. if he falters on eligibility, where does that leave it? >> lawrence, if you get the mainstream of the party to unite behind one candidate, i think at that point they have opportunity to stop him. right now, you have so many pretenders out there. hopefully new hampshire will whittle that out, you'll have bush and kasich and christi out there. march 15th, winner take all states. trump can win the states with delegates with 35% and it is over. >> our satellites expected this show to be over 15 minutes ago. joy reed's satellite just
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disappeared. she disappeared from the screen as if she was eliminated from the quiz show. jonathan alter, quick last word. >> the problem is that the super pacs changed the game. used to be you lost, you were out. didn't have money. you have rich guys can keep some establishment candidates going. they have to come to the aid of their party and withdraw, even though they have money in the bank for somebody to emerge to compete with donald trump. >> thank you all very much for joining us tonight. appreciate it. thank you. chris hayes will be up after this break. ♪ there's no one road out there. no one surface... no one speed... no one way of driving on each and every road. but there is one car that can conquer them all. the mercedes-benz c-class.
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planned parenthood. but you know what? hillary clinton has been around there for a very, very long time. and some of these groups are in fact part of the establishment. >> the comment by bernie sanders that groups like planned parenthood and the human rights campaign are "part of the establishment" generated a huge backlash from hillary clinton and her allies. >> i've got to tell you, i was somewhat confused when senator sanders said, well, you know, planned parenthood and human rights campaign, they're part of the establishment and that's why they're supporting, you know, hillary clinton, because it's all part of the establishment. i thought, boy, i wish it were. i wish we weren't fighting all the time to protect women's rights, to protect women's health. if it were part of the establishment, that would be time for all of us to just quit having to work so hard and defend it and fight for it. >> now, as a purely descriptive matter i don't think it's unreasonable to say those groups are in fact part of the broader
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center-left establishment in washington, d.c. along with other organizations, the afl-cio, the natural resources defense council, the sierra club. but the word establishment is a four-letter word in the 2016 campaign so, toxic, so pejorative that pretty much no one wants to be associated with it. >> i have fought the establishment, run primaries, my entire career. i think for planned parenthood or naral or the human rights campaign to be considered the establishment, somebody's not paying close attention to how american politics works. >> today the group emily's list, which supports pro-choice democratic women running for office and has endorsed clinton, sent an e-mail claiming that sanders treats women's health as a "afterthought" adding "senator sanders' attacks on planned parenthood are rooted in the exact same type of political calculation republicans make when advancing their extreme agenda." sanders appears to be feeling the heat a bit. in a conversation this afternoon with our own kasey hunt which will air in full at 9:30 eastern on "the rachel maddow show" sanders walked back his comment. >> i am a fierce supporter of planned parenthood, naral, and
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gay rights in this country. >> and they are not part of the establishment? >> no. they are standing up and fighting the important fights that have to be fought. >> i asked robert reich, the former secretary of labor under president clinton, if establishment is a meaningful term within the context of the democratic party. >> i think it is still clear because there are party leaders, big corporation, wall street. there are very wealthy individuals who kind of represent where the democratic party, the official democratic party was and to some extent still is. >> and what about these groups? i mean, the controversy over these comments, which as we noted senator sanders has walked back, he's been attacked over them by hillary clinton, the context was planned parenthood and human rights campaign, which i think a lot of people feel those are progressive organizations. they're not the establishment. what do you think about that? >> well, they're not really the establishment. and i can't obviously speak for senator sanders or about planned parenthood. but what we do see, and we've seen for years in america, is that the establishment, that is,
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the big banks and the executives and the wealthy do support a lot of non-profits and make the non-profits basically walk to the tune of the establishment. so there's sort of a chilling effect on non-profits and the media and a lot of other places because the establishment is so powerful. that's where the money is. >> yeah, having been a political reporter in washington, d.c., you know, there are a variety of groups, human rights campaign, planned parenthood, naral, sierra club, that are groups that do very good work, that do a lot of things that i personally believe in that are also as a descriptive matter they're part of what you're going to call an establishment in washington of the sort of center-left probably, center for american progress. they are part of it. what i think is interesting is that term is so pejorative or understood to be so pejorative and there's a real difference between how republicans, it seems to me, think of that and how democrats do. i don't think democrats feel as negatively about the democratic party establishment as republicans do feel about their
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party's establishment. >> well, i'm not so sure about that, chris. i think the big problem is you have a vicious cycle of wealth and power in america that's just gotten completely out of control and you've seen it in politics. i was there in washington. in the '90s. it was pretty bad then. it's much worse now. and that vicious cycle is you've got again big corporations, executives, wall street, very wealthy individuals in both parties who are calling the shots. and you've got to just follow the money. you see it. there's no countervailing power. >> that may be true. but the planned parenthood -- i mean, is planned parenthood -- it just doesn't seem to be plausible that planned parenthood is part of the establishment in that sense. or maybe you think they are. >> i don't know, and i don't -- i don't think they are. but again, every organization, no matter who it is, just follow the money. i was just last week, i was asked to talk at a religious congregation about inequality. and just before i began the minister who headed the
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congregation whispered to me and he said don't talk about changing the estate tax and don't in any way attack the rich because we are dependent -- you know, we're dependent on them. well, this happens to me again and again and again. what we really need to understand here is that it's all about power. this is where the surge is coming from for bernie sanders. in some ways it's a different surge, but it's coming out of the same sort of sense of fundamental powerlessness and anger and frustration for donald trump. >> but i think politically there is less juice to be squeezed out of that orange in the democratic side. my feeling is your median democratic voter, they're angry at the banks or they're not psyched about companies that outsource and things like that. but when they think about a group like planned parenthood or human rights campaign, when they think about even the democratic party writ large or elected democratic officials, i don't think they feel the same visceral anger toward those people, i think they generally trust them in a way republican
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party members don't. or maybe you think i'm wrong about that. and i think generally speaking. certainly i would trust the democrats and the democratic establishment more than the republican establishment. but i think you've got to understand, chris, and i mean this in the sense that what has happened is so dramatic in terms of people's feeling that the establishment -- the big corporations and wall street and the wealthy individuals even in the democratic party don't really get it. they don't understand that they have had a huge impact on changing the rules of the game to favor themselves and hurt average working people. there's not the same degree of resentment and anger, i don't think, but there is a deep desire to change the power structure. that's what this is all about. >> robert reich, thank you very much. >> thanks, chris. coming up, as jeb bush continues to wallow in the back of the pack, there might be some regrets of the $100 million raised for jeb bush. a suggestion for what that money could have been used for, next.
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you know, with all the talk of socialism among democrats on the campaign trail lately, there are actually quite a few people on the right looking at how resources and capital are currently distributed in this country of ours and thinking, you know, there's got to be a better way. particularly donors to jeb bush's super pac, right to rise. right to rise raised more than $100 million last year on the belief that a jeb bush candidacy was a safe bet. but as both "the new york times"
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coming back, i can certainly relate with other families, who kind of fill these ramifications of some ptsd. >> in her speech endorsing donald trump yesterday, former vice presidential candidate sarah palin suggesting her son's arrest on domestic violence charges was a result of post-traumatic stress disorder and partially due to president obama's lack of respect for men and women in uniform. track palin, who was deployed to iraq in 2008, was arrested monday night. according to police and court documents, charged in a domestic violence case in which his girlfriend said he punched her in the head and threatened to fire a rifle. donald trump said it was his idea for palin to bring up her son at the rally. >> did you ask her to address her son's arrest? >> i told her it would be absolutely fine. i thought it would be appropriate. there was tremendous press. and i think it's something that's very important to discuss. not even for her son but for so many other sons and daughters that are coming back from the middle east, where they have traumatic problems.
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they have tremendous problems. and i told her, i actually suggested it. >> the backlash to palin's comments was swift, with veterans and veterans' groups criticizing the apparent politicization of ptsd. paul rakoff, who heads the non-pawn veterans for america, said "it's not president obama's fault that sarah palin's son has ptsd. now that she has endorsed mr. trump i would encourage her to talk with him about it. his campaign is pretty light on specifics about what he would do for veterans." and in a series of tweets former army officer nate bethea, who says he qualifies for ptsd disability benefits from the va, pushed back against the stereotype that veterans are violent and unstable. he wrote, "underneath her nonsense lies a very dangerous allegation that all veterans are ticking time bombs ready to brandish weapons. the fact is people with ptsd still have dignity and they're still expected to obey societal norms like anyone else, veterans or otherwise." jon soltz, who served two tours in iraq.
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your reaction to that moment in sarah palin's speech yesterday. >> well, i was shocked because beating up, you know, your girlfriend, your spouse, or facts of violence aren't one of the core symptoms of ptsd. not only did i feel, you know, hurt that she sort of misdiagnosed all of these veterans but i think she sort of was wrong in the way she talked about the issue. there are some core fundamental symptoms here and one of them isn't violence against your spouse. it was sort of par for the course. she said outlandish things before. but on this situation not only did i think that she doesn't understand what ptsd is, i thought she gave veterans a poor name by sort of arguing that this is something that's common in our community. >> yeah, i was following a lot of the back and forth among a bunch of veterans that i follow in social media about this. and it was fascinating to see, you know, a lot of people saying what nate said, is that this sort of -- walking this fine line between at one level acknowledging the kind of
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treatment needs that many veterans of iraq and afghanistan need and the sort of support and resources they need, and at the same time not essentially creating the idea in the public's mind that everyone are essentially damaged or they're about to go off half cocked or they are dangerous. >> her son did serve in iraq, and she had an opportunity to actually talk about what ptsd is, and i think that's why we have this debate. there's three sort of fundamental things that happen when someone's suffering from these issues. first they get intrusive thoughts. so if you're sleeping at night and you have nightmares, a lot of veterans face this. you become startled quickly. if you're walking down the street and a firework goes off and you don't know if your body's going to race. and the third key point is it's avoidance. maybe you don't ever want to go to the beach again because you don't like sand because of something that happened in the war. you were ambushed driving a vehicle in iraq you don't want to drive a car. those are the three sort of pillar fundamentals of what we consider post-traumatic stress, not violence against someone who's close to you.
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there's just a huge understanding. when she goes out there and says this is because of this it's actually not because of this. and now it sort of gives the idea that all veterans are going to pick up a weapon and shoot somebody or all veterans are going to hit somebody. and that's not -- that's just not fair to say that about the community as a whole. and i think that she really missed the chance to educate the public on what some of the challenges her son is actually facing. >> there was something ironic which nate pointed out last night about the fact that ptsd was trending briefly yesterday on twitter because of this invocation in this sort of erroneous way as you point out. >> yeah. people are talking about it at one level now. i think obviously that's good but i think it's up to us, you know, who are going to comment on this or in the media to sort of not regard the stupidity of her comment, which is obviously political in nature. her son went to iraq under george w. bush, but it gives a chance to explain what ptsd is. and i think if we really break it down and talk about it it's very different than the way she
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explained it. it showed that she doesn't quite understand the issue and, you know, if she's going to continue to be in this space hopefully she can do some homework and make some policy recommendation that's are relevant to fixing the problem. but she by no -- has any basic understanding of what ptsd is, so i think it gives the rest of us an opportunity to have a real conversation about some of these problems. >> jon soltz, always a pleasure. thank you, sir. >> thank you. coming up, where did carly fiorina get those preschoolers? that caper is next. if you have high blood pressure like i do, many cold medicines may raise your blood pressure. that's why there's coricidin® hbp. it relieves cold symptoms without raising blood pressure. so look for powerful cold medicine with a heart. coricidin® hbp. ♪ beth, i hear you calling.♪.s ♪ but i can't come home right now... ♪ ♪ me and the boys are playing.♪.
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all right. tonight with polls tightening just 11 days until the iowa caucuses hillary clinton is zig-zagging throughout the state. right now she's holding a rally with demi lovato who's there right now singing with her incredible voice at the university of iowa. that's hillary clinton's third campaign event of the day. meanwhile, bernie sanders in new hampshire, he'll return to iowa for a flurry of events over the weekend. in iowa a new cnn/orc poll shows sanders up by eight points. that is his largest lead yet. that, however, stands in stark contrast with another poll also
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♪ love me ♪ ♪ stay true ♪ don't try to that's hillary clinton singing at her event. i'm just kidding. that's demi lovato singing for hillary clinton in iowa right now. joining me at the table, sam seder, msnbc contributor, host of "majority report," and heather mcghee, who's president of demos action. i'm so glad you're here because i saw these two ads today and i thought this is the perfect encapsulation of these two campaigns and how they are different. so first let's take a look at hillary clinton's closing ad, her closing seal the deal ad. i think it's mostly run in iowa but i think it's running in both iowa and new hampshire. take a look. >> the person who lives here has to solve problems as big as the world and as small as your kitchen table. that's the job. every day. and now the first lady who helped get health care for 8 million kids, the senator who helped a city rise again, the
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secretary of state who stood up for america and stared down hostile leaders around the world is the one candidate for president who has everything it takes to do every part of the job. she'll take on the gun lobby, finally get equal pay for women, and stop the republicans from ripping all our progress away. >> all right. so you got the full what the job is, what her qualifications are, what she's going to do. like the resume, the -- here's bernie sanders. ♪ let us be lovers ♪ ♪ we'll marry our fortunes together ♪ ♪ i've got some real estate here in my bag ♪ ♪ counting the cars on the new jersey turnpike ♪ ♪ they've all come to look for america ♪
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>> couldn't possibly be more different. no resume, no he passed this, no he supports that. no republican, no nothing. just simon, garfunkel, sanders. >> well, it's pure heart. right? it's pure heart. and it's also purely about the movement and about the people. and that is banking on unlikely voters to surge and come to the caucus the way that folks did in 2008. hillary clinton right now is banking on likely voters and she's banking on people voting with their head and not their heart. >> do you think -- what do you think -- what hits you? >> so anytime people talk about america in an inclusive way and talk about the people, the name of my organization literally means the people, so i get the feelings. i absolutely get the feelings. at the same time, though, there is a strand of pragmatism that actually is among young voters and independent voters where they did that for barack obama
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in 2008 and 2012 and watched him not be able to get anything done. so i think there are strengths and weaknesses to both approaches. >> the other thing i would say about the sanders ad is it's real white, that ad. that ad is -- when you talk about sort of recreating -- that ad is mostly shot i think in iowa and vermont and new hampshire and the states -- there's a lot of iowa in there. iowa's a very white state. so that's not their fault. but that is another thing that strikes me when you're looking at part of the sort of strengths and weaknesses of this campaign, frankly. if they want to go deep in this campaign, those crowds need to look different than they do right now. >> that needs to be a different ad when you head down to south carolina. but not so much for new hampshire either. i mean, frankly. but to get back to the other point, hillary's ad was fairly white too because it was really about hillary. and to a large extent i think that ad that she's running is one that they've had planned for jeb bush. you know, six to eight months
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ago. it's very much about experience. it's very much about sort of a defensiveness, like we're going to hold what we have. but there's no vision for america embedded in that ad. >> well, holding what we have is a vision for america. >> well, it's not a terribly romantic one. the narrative there is very much of a defensive one. and within the context of the democratic primary, look, i don't know which one's going to be more effective. but the bottom line is the narrative there is like we just need to be static. i mean, essentially we just want to stay where we are. >> but they also -- >> and i'm the one experienced enough to do that -- >> but also ted cruz may take away all your stuff. >> listen, i agree with you. but that's what i'm saying. this looks like a general election ad to me on some level that is really a function of a jeb bush because it is really just a technocratic ad saying we like where we are, stay the course, but i don't know that the country is in a stay the course mood. >> the country certainly is not
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in a stay the course mood, neither progressives nor tea party followers. and anybody in xen. and i think that what is missing from the clinton ad is the spirit that she brought to that first ad. where she was talking about -- where she was talking about the people. it was all about the people. she said the deck is stacked. and i just worry that right now a desire to contrast with bernie she's losing what's the most important piece. >> let's play this ad. can we play this ad? >> my daughter's about to start kindergarten next year. and so we're moving. just so she can belong to a better school. >> [ speaking spanish ]. >> after five years of raising my children i am now going back to work. >> i'm getting ready to do something too. i'm running for president. >> i love that ad. and that ad, first of all, it looks like the obama coalition, right? and it's also about who are the
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people -- like the central thing for the democrats in this election is they put together a governing majority coalition twice in a row for the first time since fdr. okay? can you do it a third time? that's what it's about. it's about those people as much as it's about the candidates. >> there's a strange defensiveness coming from the clinton campaign. the past day or two seems like literally the klaxons were ringing, everybody has to be hands on deck. >> they're fighting a -- >> no, i get that. i get that. and i don't think it's actually that rancorous. but i mean, there's a confidence in that first ad. >> yes. >> and there's a narrative for where the country is. and all the stuff about her experience is what backs up that vision. but she's not -- she's left the vision part in saying i can deliver, but we've forgotten what the vision is she wants to deliver. >> the other thing is it's important to have both. and that is what i think is missing here from both of theirs, is saying that we have to recognize where we are in
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this country right now, which is in a place where, you know, basically only the donor class can get what it wants. so you need the people. you need a movement. you need unlikely voters, which is what bernie is counting on. but you also need an ability to get things done. >> sam seder, heather mcghee. i could talk about this with you guys forever. it's fascinating. thank you very much. that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. thanks, my friend. >> you bet. >> thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. the republican party chose louisiana governor bobby jindal to give that party's first response to a state of the union given by president obama. the first state of the union, or joint address to congress, at the time of the state of the union. after president obama was first elected. the response from the republicans that year was bobby jindal. it was a memorable state of the union response for governor jindal but not necessarily in a good way. remember the volcano thing? incidentally, former governor bobby jindal is now unemployed.

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