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york. up first this morning, much of the eastern seaboard is struggling to dig out after that weekend blizzard punished the region with as much as 3 feet of snow? some areas, leaving at least 30 dead. crews are working feverishly to clear highways and runways from d.c. to new york. and the effects are still being felt across the country. airlines trying to resume operations at several airports are flights were completely halted leading to more than 12,000 flight cancellations since friday. so far hundreds of flights have already been canceled for today. public transit and train service also resuming in many areas this morning, amtrak is operating a reduced number of train services. some of the blizzard's heaviest snow fell over the new york city and long island areas. in fact, more than 26 inches fell in central park making it new york's second biggest winter storm on record and it may not be over. we're watching another system that could potentially take aim at the northeast later this week. our team of reporters and
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meteorologists are surrounding the story from here in new york down to the nation's capital. let's start in new york. morgan ralt forward is live, but we begin with kristen dahlgren at laguardia airport. what's the situation there like this morning? >> good morning, josé. it looks a lot different than when i spoke to you over the weekend, it was completely a ghost town here, now a beautiful sight, we do have lines of people checking in for their flights. laguardia today running about 75% of its flights scheduled. there still are a lot of cancellations, about 1,300 cancellations nationwide. the hardest hit airports are newark and dulles airport, those are united hubs so united feeling the brunt of this. there have been massive snow clearing efforts throughout the weekend trying to get the runways clear. the airlines all had to bring their planes back into place because they sent them away so
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they wouldn't get snowed in. it really does take a while to get everything back up and running. when i got back this morning and this is day four for me i saw a lot of the same faces, people who have been camped out here now for four days, sleeping on these hardwooden chairs with one place to go and get some food. it's been a tough, tough weekend for a lot of people and just speaking with a few of them they are actually not getting out until tomorrow. it's still going to be a difficult day moving forward for a lot of travelers. expect lines and definitely check ahead with your carrier if you do have a flight scheduled today. >> kristen, thank you very much. i want to go to morgan rad ford in new york central park. what's the scene like now? >> they still have, but as you can see you can't even see my foot here the snow is piled so high but thankfully there are people at the entrances plowing and shoveling snow and so st most of the roads inside central park are clear, people are going
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by jogging, walking their dogs. things for the most part have returned to normal. the fta is up and running, cars have been allowed back on the streets. to give you a sense of historical context, back in 1996 there were 20 inches of snow and it took 40 hours to plow all of that snow. this year sequence alone, which is new york's largest borrow and has the most number of roads they received 30 inches of snow and 11 hours after the storm ended 95% of those roads have been plowed, but that's not to undercut the severity of this weekend's storm, 30 people did die across 13 states. even though today here in the northeast we're digging ourselves out of this snow there's still snow expected throughout the week in other parts of the country. >> thank you both very much. i want to go across the hudson river to hard hit new jersey, that's where gabe gutierrez is driving around in jersey city. how are the streets looking? >> reporter: good morning. well, we're here in jersey city
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on clinton street and it really depends exactly which street you're on. the main streets are doing just fine but the side streets not so much. you can see the road we're driving down right now. here in jersey city schools are closed, they're also closed in newark and other parts of nnk. new york decided to keep its public schools open. now, the problem here has been at least this morning during the morning commute is black ice. some of this snow had melted yesterday, but refroze overnight when temperatures dipped below freezing and so that will be a concern throughout the morning. we have seen people starting to dig out and it's been quite slow going here on the roads. now, throughout the tri-state area there have been ten deaths including several people out shoveling snow, one person was incredibly tragic, a 23-year-old mother, sash asia bonia she and her one-year-old son died in their car from carbon monoxide
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poisoning, her three-year-old daughter was in critical condition. they went in the car to seek f refuge from the cold. there was so much snow built up around the car that it held up their tail pipe and carbon monoxide went back into the car. an incredibly tragic story but it shows how many snow it in this area and how long it will take to clean out. we have seen many cars encased in snow, with he see people shoveling right next to us and right now we're trying to turn on to this street, doing it safely, slowly as we can do t but this is going to be a long go of it to clean all the snow out of here, josé. >> gabe gutierrez thank you very much. let's head down the jersey shore where some areas endured damaging flooding during the storm. jacob rascon is live in west wildwood new jersey. how bad was the flooding there. >> reporter: so the governor, chris christie, said largely his state dodged a bullet, that may have been true for the northern
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part of the state and shoreline but here along the southern tip in west wildwood that was not the case. this is the worst flooding that those here say they have ever seen. at this house, for example, you have a couple of docs that floated hundreds of feet and landed on the driveway and from above you're able to see from this drone some of the cleanup going on, loading the debris on to dump trucks and you're also going to see that sea wall which has collapsed and that's what allowed the water, the bay, to empty into this town and at the peak of it there were 6 feet of water or so surrounding hundreds of homes. this is an area where about half of the people live year-round, the other half are summer homes but we're still talking about dozens and dozens of rescues during the peak of the storm and the mayor estimates even though a lot of the homes are built up anticipating some of this flooding, that about 100 of them probably got water inside of their homes. so this morning people are coming back looking at their
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homes, how bad is the water damage, how fast can they fix the sea wall, that's an important issue because when we get another storm here and high tide it may just do the same thing. so there's a lot of concern here, the governor of the state, chris christie, is back on the campaign trail, the lieutenant governor, however, is going to be out surveying the damage as will all of the people who live here. >> as we were watching that live drone video as you were speaking to us, that sea wall that the drone just flew over looked pretty damaged and not just in one area but in various areas, it's going to take a while to fix that. look at just how the -- you know, the fall of that sea wall affected these areas just right after that. it's really, really damaged areas. jacob, thank you very much. good to see you this morning. i want to go south from there to the nation's clal luke russert is live in washington, d.c. how are folks digging out there?
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>> reporter: i think the word of the day here being stressed by local officials, josé, is patience. to give the city enough patience from its residents to be able to get out from underneath the brunt of this storm which was so forceful over the weekend. you're starting to see dump trucks actually pull up and then you have those construction vehicles there that literally take the snow, put it in the back of the dump truck and get it out of here. a lot of folks have been asking why wasn't this here yesterday after the storm ended. this is downtown d.c. this is the major financial center, this is close to all the government buildings. this is really the heart of the city. this should have been done earlier. however, officials are saying, look, we've got a lot of the residential roads as cleared as possible and now we're focusing on downtown. d.c. effectively today is completely shut down, the schools are closed, federal government closed, local government closed, local public transportation schedule is running on a very reduced limited schedule. i was walking around here last
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night and i have to tell you because of the freezing that was going on last night, there is a lot of solid ice under a lot of these roads and we are not talking about side alleys, we're talking roads that have offices on them, roads that have businesses on them, roads near the verizon center where the clals and wizards and a lot of sports are at. this is going to take at least the rest of today i suspect into tomorrow. the other problem you are starting to see is there are some warriors who decided they were going to drive into d.c. today, drive into work even though the mayor and officials said, please don't come, we need more time to get everything plowed, they're here and they create a traffic jam for the plows. so the big fear that everybody had over the weekend that there would be a traffic jam of plows and people trying to get out of their homes, it didn't happen yesterday thankfully because it was sunday, people were watching football, it's happening now, it's ugly. stay home, let the plows do their job because there is still a heck of a lot of work to do. >> and a lot of ice. luke, thanks so much. appreciate it.
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let me bring in if bill karins. good morning to you. as the east coast works to recover another system could be just around the corner? >> yeah, i don't even want to talk about it, but i will at the end here. josé, did you get a chance to walk out in the storm? i'm guessing from your background you haven't seen anything quite like what we saw in new york city this weekend. >> not a lot of miami boys have dealt with this thing. >> no. >> i actually walked because i was on "nbc nightly news" on saturday, i walked ten blocks at 7:30 p.m. and it was just like -- >> amazing, right? >> yeah. you know, never seen something like that. >> not like being in a blizzard with the low visibility and snow and wind. >> coming sideways. >> let me take you through it. this is the final totals for the big cities with an asterisk near d.c., that wasn't taken correctly. baltimore was the highest all time biggest snowfall, new york second by a smidgen. philadelphia was the fourth biggest, d.c. the fourth biggest and new york city you did get 6 inches of snow. the all the way from areas of
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kentucky, tennessee all the way to the east. this is where all the snow fell with the storm. as far as the snow totals went. new york city was only a tenth of an inch away from the all time greatest. philadelphia your highest ever is 31, we are at 22. still significant. baltimore you are at the 29.2. you ended up 10 to 12 inches higher than your friends to the south. people in around around the d.c. had more than that. d.c. 17.8. luke mentioned the problem with the freezing then it thaws then refreezes at night. the thing i don't want to talk about, not quite stressing me out yet, i'm going to say the odds of this being a big deal with 25% right now but the computers are saying there's going to be another storm forming soaking florida by the time we get to thursday, off the east coast as we get to friday, notice these circle lines, those are the areas that show how strong the pressure is around
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the center, this is a nor'easter, going to be nor nor'easter off the east coast but this time it just grazes the coast. this green is a half inch to a quarter inch. that would be a couple inches of snow. you can see how heavy the precipitation is off the coast. if this inches closer to the east coast in the days ahead it will be more of a big deal and people are going to wonder where are we going to put the snow. >> it's going to take a pretty big toll on florida. >> florida is going to get some heavy rain and possibility of probably additional severe storms. yeah, and that's the pattern. in el nino years you get these southerly paths to these storms, you are supposed to be in your dry season in florida, not supposed to get weather like this, but a lot of rain, a lot of storms and every now and then those storms will get caught in the jet stream and come up the east coast. that's what happened with this last one. >> bill, thanks. good to see you. at least seven people were hurt after a plane from miami to ma land had to make an emergency landing in canada. paramedics met the plane once it landed safely last night.
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three flight attendants and four passengers were taken to the hospital. >> it was a very strong -- the pilot said he never took a bump like that. >> the plane actually dropped -- >> rolled on its side and everything went flying and people and -- yeah, it was pretty intense. >> it hit like a big dip and some flight attendants were without seat belts and they hurt themselves, then the other people like i guess people passed out, you know, because it was bad. scary. >> american says it's working on the next steps to get the rest of the passengers on their way to milan. after the break we turn to 2016 politics and a possible newcomer to the race. how would a michael bloomberg run as an independent shake things up? we will talk about that and the impact of possibly having two billionaires fighting for the white house.
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and now to 2016 campaign with one week left to go before voters caucus in iowa with an unconventional political season may be about to get even more unconventional. over the weekend we learned that the former mayor of new york city, billionaire michael bloomberg is now considering throwing his hat into the ring as an independent. the 73 year old is giving himself until march to make the decision, but right now according to the "new york times," quote, bloomberg's advisors and associates said he was gall by donald trump's
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dominance of the republican field and drum bld by hillary clinton's strum bls in the right of bernie sanders from vermont on the democratic side but in clinton gains traction the whole thing could go by the wayside. ed rent dell who was friends with clinton and blm told the times if hillary waynes the nomination hillary is mainstream enough that mike would have no chance and mike is not going to go on a suicide mission, but a bloomberg run could turn the general election into a toss-up according to an online morning consult poll, bloomberg gets 12% when pitted against sanders and trump putting them in a statistical tie, if clinton was a no, ma'am fee bloomberg gets 13% and the two others are tied. we have this story surrounded. sam stein, steve kornacki, ari mel berg and olivia stearns. sam, do you believe a bloomberg run is realistic? >> not at this juncture, although caution that by saying
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we just got over a place where a billionaire who had often flirted with a presidential run finally did, his name is donald trump, you might be familiar with him. anything is possible but at this juncture it would take a lot for bloomberg to jump in and do it successfully which is ultimately what he's going to do t he's not going to do it as a ego boost, he is a pragmatist. he would do it if he had a chance. you have to build some sort of voter enthusiasm and at this juncture it's not clear who exactly would be enthusiastic about michael bloomberg running in a presidential race except for the people who would be receiving some of the billion dollars that he's going to be spending apparently. >> you do have to have organization, whether you run as an independent or not. the fact is that he's also saying, so if hillary doesn't do it, if a trump continues, if by march -- you know, there are a lot of ifs and time passes and you do need to have a structure in place either way. >> yeah, i mean, that's the
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case. it really does require you to get signatures, to get volunteers and to raise money. he's self-funded so he has that going for him but everything else takes work. >> i want to play what hillary clinton had to say about this on "meet the press." take a listen. >> and michael bloomberg, your reaction to his potential candidacy. >> he's a good friend of mine and i'm going to do the best i can to make sure that i get the nomination and we will go from there. >> so you're not worried about him getting in? >> well, the way i read what he said is if i didn't get the nomination he might consider it. well, i'm going to relieve him of that and get the nomination, so he doesn't have to. >> so, steve, should she be worried? i mean, he was are pretty clear if she gets the nomination he won't be running. >> yeah, those are the signals he's sending right now behind the scenes. what it would make to get mike bloomberg in this race or
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seriously -- really seriously step this up would be bernie sanders beating hillary clinton on the democratic side and then either cruz or trump emerging on the republican side basically trying to maximize sort of get people from the far end of each party maximize the number of voters who might be up for grabs in the middle. anything short of that, though, it's hard to see mike bloomberg getting into this race for the reasons we're discussing. one, he doesn't want to spend his money on a losing venture, something that would be guaranteed or very likely to lose and second i think he's sensitive to how it would look if you get in, try to run a full-fledged national campaign and there wasn't room and you don't do that well. so he really needs that scenario of sanders to beat clinton so she's probably on solid ground there. >> ari, let's talk about the legal and logistical hurdles. that bloomberg would face if he decides to do this. >> sam raised this and this is a key thing although he has a little more time than some might think. i will say the idea that mike bloomberg is considering a
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presidential run, he considers this kind of thing at the same frequency that most people think about getting a caramel latte, maybe not daily but on a pretty regular basis i i would remind folks we have heard this several cycles before. having said that let's be humble in the press, there was a lot of that same talk about trump who sam also mentioned ultimately did get into it. so what are the deadlines straightforward, the first big one for texas does come in may and you need close to about 80,000 signatures for that. not until june do you have north carolina. so what that basically means for someone of his wealth that, you know, within a few weeks he could probably pay for the signature gathering, have some name id and get that going. he has put forward the timetable of potentially march. you see there 600,000 signatures if you total up all of these as he we looked at it in real clear politics as well, spoke to some election experts. but again that 600,000 nationwide.
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i think the bottom line here is if mike bloomberg was serious and wanted to skip texas as a state he is unlikely to win he would have all the way into deep summer to really do this. now, we can go through all the reasons it's unlikely but in terms of logistics and law he does have a long time. that is to say well through both parties' nomination contests and each potentially seeing how both nominees are doing before he makes a final decision. >> it's interesting. olivia, if michael bloomberg does get in we could have a potential battle of the billionaires. >> on paper the two of them look pretty similar. at least you congress to people across the country. michael bloomberg is worth considerably more, but according to forbes.com mike bloomberg is worth north of $30 billion, $36.5 billion, donald trump just a fraction of that, $4.5 billion making him the -- >> trump says he has 10.
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>> trump says he has 10 because of the value he puts on his brand. ironically bloomberg also has its own rich list bloomberg media and they say trump's brand is worth a whot lot less and put his value under $3 billion. trump says he welcomes the competition. take a listen to what he had to say about it. >> well, michael has been a friend of mine over the years, i don't know if we're friends anymore, frankly, but michael has been a friend of mine. i would love to have michael bloomberg run. i would love that competition, i think i would do very well against it. >> mike bloomberg's wealth mostly entirely coming from bloomberg lp the private financial and data company that i should disclose i actually worked for for for about five years and donald trump's wealth of course being amassed through real estate and tv deals. >> what about their party affiliations. >> it is hard to keep track because both of them have
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flip-flopped, have changed parties many times. donald trump has changed his party affiliation five times since 1987 when he did register first as a republican under reagan. so there are donald trump's party switches. michael bloomberg of course a democrat or he was a democrat until 2001 when he decided to run for mayor then he became a registered republican to run for mayor of new york city, he became an independent in 2007, josé. >> okay. olivia stearns, ari mel berg, steve kornacki and sam stein thank you all very much. over the weekend we learned that marco rubio and hillary clinton each received a key political endorsement from iowa's des moines register. let's go back to steve. >> joining me now is lynn hicks, he is the opinion page editor for the des moines register, participated in that decision. you're talking about in those two endorsements, he joins us from iowa. let me ask you it sounds like donald trump and ted cruz both declined to meet with your paper
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in considering this endorsement. i guess that took both of them out of the mix for you right away. >> no, they weren't disqualified for that, but it didn't help them. we spent time with the candidates, we had two interviews with several of the candidates and, you know, we would have loved to have both of them in, we would have had a lot of fun with it, we think they would have had fun, but ultimately chose not to so we moved on. >> i'm curious about this because they are one and two in the polls out there in iowa. one of the things that's been raised, one of the concerns that's been raised by some people with the way donald trump has risen to the top of the polls maybe he's blowing up some of the old rules and conventional wisdom we had, one of those things being about newspaper endorsements, he's at war with the manchester union leader, he has not met with the small newspapers newspaper new hampshire. there he is leading in the polls in both states. does this stay something about the influence or lack thereof of newspapers like yours? >> i don't -- i don't think it
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does. you're right, he is attacking everybody, he has attacked national review, attacking the manchester union leader. but, you know, he is running an unconventional campaign and he's using, you know, his -- these attacks against the media appear to be helping him so why not continue it? >> on the democratic side you talk about the sanders versus clinton race, you guys are endorsing hillary clinton you say for many democrats this is probably a choice between their heads and hearts. you're saying choose prague ma tichl over ideaism here basically. >> yeah, that's what we said. we felt that hillary not only was the most -- the most knowledgeable and experienced, but also that she could get her agenda done. she can get elected and she can be successful. that's the big question that sanders is facing in all of his appearances even with these people who are really inspired and excited by him is how are you going to pull this off? how are you going to get washington to change? how are you going to get people behind you to enact all this
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very progressive reform? >> i mean, his claim here is he says a political revolution, if you elect me you will see lake effect a wave of people like me and that will get it done. >> good luck. i think, you know, a lot of people voted for hope and change eight years ago and they were disappointed. so, you know, we'll see if he can do the same. >> all right. iowa is a week from today, the des moines register weighing in, lynn hicks, thank you for taking a few minutes. up next, we will be talking about this ongoing water crisis in flint, michigan. tony dee koppel joins us by a neighborhood that hasn't been visited by the national guard. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on
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the lead contaminated water in flint, the attorney general has added former prosecutor and retired detroit fbi chief to his team investigating the crisis. tony dokoupil is in flint michigan for us. what can we expect from this press conference today? >> good morning. this is a very closely watched press conference because the attorney general has appointed two heavy individuals, heavy with reputations in the law enforcement community, today flood with a former murder prosecutor in detroit and andrew arena former head of the fbi office in detroit. he is appointing these individuals for two reasons, the first is he's got a conflict of interest, he is in the awkward position of needing to pursue an investigation into his own governor while at the same time defending that dorcher and state agencies against lawsuits brought by the people of flint, people who claim their health and economic livelihoods having significantly impacted by the lead crisis and the second reason is he's part of the governor's effort to restore public trust and public trust is a big issue in flint, it's been
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severely tarnished by the lead crisis. we are in one of the hardest hit neighborhoods on the north side of the city, 50% of the homes had lead water samples that tested positive last year. this is one of those areas where the national guard which is going door to door in this town residents said they haven't had that knock. i think we have a graphic to show you the progress of the governor's office has made. 48,000 of about 50,000 homes, this is one of those neighborhoods where residents say they haven't been visited although other volunteers are trying to fill that gap. take a look to one of them had to say. >> black community, particularly it's a black community and i'm not going to say it's an all black community, poor white people, too, and we all know this country don't care either way it go, it's part racism or part classism. there are no rich people going through this crisis here in flint. i guarantee you that. >> we have people living like refugees in their own homes, unable to use the water. also on friday and developing
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over the weekend the governor's task force on the water situation said this bottled water handout thing is unsustainable and needs to be eliminated immediately, a long-term fix needs to tomorrow. >> you're telling me that when they have an area of a city and again, this is not a county or a state or a country we're talking about, you have an area of a city that 50% plus of the residents have been tested positive to have water in their homes that is contaminated and possibly with long-term effects, you're telling me that they still haven't gotten to them yet? what the heck are they waiting for? >> reporter: that is what i'm telling you. there are about 50 national guard teams and official volunteers working with the governor's office. it's been 12 days since the state of emergency was declared and they are almost through with their first round of efforts to knock on doors and even if they knock on doors it doesn't necessarily mean that they made contact with an individual in those homes, they tell msnbc they will take another round
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beginning in he can would. it's a problem they're working on. >> tone dokoupil, thank you very much. rachel mad do you hosts american disaster the crisis in flint an msnbc town hall wednesday, 9:00 p.m. eastern time right here on msnbc. after the break continuing coverage of the winter storm that virtually paralyzed some of the country's biggest cities, we will check in to see how flights are getting in and out of places like washington, d.c. now that cleanup is going in new york city. plus just about a week from the iowa caucus and there are new polls out this morning that show donald trump surging. the race tightening on the democratic side, however, and did you happen to catch "saturday night live" in weekend? tina fey returned at sarah palin -- or was it really her? take a look. >> is what the main street media is spinning. heads are spinning. they say trump and his
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coast are closed today but here in new york we are seeing things trying to get back to normal as hard as that is to believe considering that new york city picked up 26.8 inches of snow, the second largest snowfall ever, only missing the largest snowfall by a tenth of an inch. we just couldn't make it over that little hump there to at least break a record since we are dealing with all of this. in the outer bureaus of new york city we are seeing a lot of our problems, people have to get back to work and school yet so many people are trying to figure out. even trying to get to our location we saw cars stuck in the middle of the road and they had been stuck there since the storm. now as people try to figure out we have other concerns. aaa points out if you do need to get your car out make sure you clear all of the snow off your car, the roof, the hood, the taillights, the headlights. you also want to make sure that the tail pipe is clear to prevent carbon monoxide
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poisoning. there are a lot of snow banks on the sides and korchers of the roads, a lot of children are shorter than those banks so make sure you watch for children if you do have to drive around which it seems like a lot of people are on this monday morning. >> dylan, thank you very much. kelly o'donnell is live at d.c.'s reagan international airport. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. there are two words that travelers want to see today, on time. and they're beginning to get a little bit of that here at reagan international airport. of course, the federal government remains closed here in washington, d.c., which makes the drive into the airport a little easier for travelers and the deep freeze and the snow is beginning to recede as far as getting to their destinations. we can tell you today there are 189 flights out of reagan that have been canceled. there are delays of course, but about 20% of the flights won't be going today. so the good news is lift has begun from here at reagan international.
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at dulles airport, the international airport in the virginia suburbs, also some delays today and in fact they are having a harder time getting back online. officials at the airport tell me one runway is cleared, opened and ready, a moment ago i saw a plane take off. that's one of three of the runways here at reagan and it is the main one. so it's a good sign. there is a number of the airlines which of course make the decision about when to fly or not fly, it's not the airport's choice, they took the advantage of the early warning about the blizzard and moved many of their aircraft out of this area to reduce the risk of those -- all of the snow and ice damage. so they've got to bring them back in in order to carry passengers out. of course, there is the time involved with the deicing process. so the good news is for this monday kind of getting back in gear there are flights moving, lots of passengers behind us, who are waiting in some considerably long lines to try to rebook and get scheduled and
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all of those travel woes, but at least the beginning is here now that the airport is open, there are flights going, but we can also tell you there are already some flights that are canceled for tomorrow. so you know the advice, josé, always check with your airline, do all of that before you get here to the airport, but at least once you get here it's warm, it's dry and people so far packed their patience and that's a good thing for a monday. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you, great seeing you this morning. with one week to go until the iowa caucuses a new fox nuls poll shows donald trump surging and now a an 11 point lead over ted cruz but on the democratic side an online cbs news poll shows bernie sanders and hillary clinton neck and neck. president obama is offering his most extensive comments yet on the race to replace him. >> i think bernie came in with the luxury of being a complete long shot, right, and just letting loose.
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>> right. >> i think hillary came in with the both privilege and burden of being perceived as the front runner. she has been in the public eye for a long time and in a culture in which new is always better -- >> right. >> -- and, you know, you're always looking at the bright shiny object that people don't -- haven't seen before. that's a disadvantage to her. >> i want to bring in msnbc political editor mark murray. >> good morning. >> let's start with these comments about president obama. he was clearly trying to steer the waters there and not taking a position one way or another. how do you think he defined these two candidates? >> he hasn't endorsed in this contest on the democratic side and the white house has pretty much said that he won't endorse until there is a nominee, but when you read the totality and listen to the totality of these
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remarks, very sympathetic to his former secretary of state, hillary clinton, also talks up bernie sanders. the reason being sympathetic towards hillary clinton you ended up playing the clip there was that he talked about the disadvantage of being the front runner and talked about how bernie sanders can kl just let loose, he is playing with casino house money, but when you are a front runner as obama was saying after he won the iowa contest and ended up losing in new hampshire and nevada afterwards it is difficult to be the person perceived as a front runner. >> let's talk about the new cbs con line poll the democratic race in iowa shows a dead heat. what does it mean for both campaigns? >> my perception of what's going on in iowa is that we really just don't know. we have to take all the polling with a grain of salt because they're telling so many different things right now, that one online poll pretty much has it an even contest, last wean cnn this bernie sanders up 8 points, a college polling had
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hillary clinton up 29 points. so many different directions. what we should all kind of watch for later in the week are going to be the des moines register poll which is considered the gold standard and of course nbc "wall street journal" maris will be having an iowa poll later this week as well. i think we will have a better idea where things are. looking just the poll numbers right now they are all over the place. >> in this last poll at least it's not only that they are tied but it looks like sanders plus two, clinton minus one. is there some movement that way? >> you know, again, i think all the movement particularly after christmas has certainly been in bernie sanders' favor, the question is whether or not hillary clinton is ahead still in this contest or whether he's taken the lead. josé, you and i have talked about this before, how iowa goes is going to be important to the democratic race because if hillary ends up winning iowa she's going to be able to have her path to the democratic nomination, but all of a sudden bernie sanders wins iowa, new hampshire, this is going to be a long, long, long race.
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>> mark murray, thank you. the israel military says air strikes hit at least two hamas targets in the gaza strip early in morning. the air raid which targeted a hamas military facility comes in response to a rocket fired by gaza which struck an open area on sunday. no injuries have been reported on the latest exchange of rocket fire. up next, a manhunt is on in orange county, california, for these three dangerous prisoners who broke out of dwral by cutting through steel bars, climbed to the roof and repelled down using bed sheets. stunning details next. the roof g bed sheets. stunning details next.
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up after that blockbuster blizzard, but it might not be over yet. good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart in new york city. we begin the hour with the eastern seaboard digging out from up to three feet of snow in some areas. airlines frantically working to resume schedules add several airports with operations were brought to a halt. this morning, hundreds of flights have already been canceled. schools and businesses remain canceled and parts of the jersey shore are assessing the damage since some of the worst flooding since superstorm sandy. if that's not enough, another weather system could strike the northeast later this week with the potential for more snow. we're surrounding the story from all angles with our team of reporters and meteorologists out in the hardest hit areas. let's kick things off here in new york. we're in central park. let's start at laguardia airport and kristen dahlgren. >> this is day four at laguardia
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airport for me. i'm not complaining because there are some passengers who have been stranded here just as long as i have been out here. they have literally been sleeping here on the hard floor, on the hard chairs for the past four days. but today, some good news. take a look behind me. you can see there are line s again. there are agents checking people in. flight operations really resuming here at laguardia airport. there are about 25% of flights here that are canceled. other really hard-hit airports, of course, in the new york area. newark, only running about 50% of flights today. so still a lot of cancellations. up over 1,400 cancellations nationwide. of course, the d.c. area also still digging out. and it is just this massive effort to get those runways clean. you think about just how much snow fell, and so they have been working around the clock to try to get things clear. and then you think about the numbers of how many flights have been canceled, more than 12,000
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between friday and today. if an average of maybe 200 passengers on each of those flights, that is a lot of people that need to be rebooked. so it is just going to take some time before the system gets completely back to normal. probably several days before all these people need to get where they need to be, jose. >> let me check in with morgan in central park. what's the scene like there this morning? >> good morning, jose. you can see there's still snow on the ground in new york city's central park, but there are also people here inside the roads who are running, jogging, bicycling and taking their dogs out. it's business as usual inside this park. and partly, that's because the roads are clear because the mayor has come out with a call, asking for all hands to be on deck, asking applicants over the age of 18 to help shovel the city, to clear the bus stops, to clear the city steps and the roads and sidewalks. just to give you context as to why that's so important, back in
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1996 when a similar storm happened, there were 20 inches of snow, and it took 40 hours to clear all the roads and streets here in new york. this weekend, in queens, there was 30 inches of snow, and queens is the largest new york borough, and it also is where there are the most number of roads. that took 11 hours just to plow. partly, that's because the mayor has had this emergency call out for people to clear the streets. as you can see, business as usual. that's not to undercut how severe the situation was this evening -- excuse me, this weekend, jose. and that's partly because this has killed 30 people all across 13 states. and even though we're starting to clear some of the snow here in the northeast, that doesn't mean that it's not expected in other parts of the country. >> morgan and kristen, thank you very much for being with me this morning. gabe gutierrez is across the river driving around in nearby jersey city. gabe, good morning. >> hey, jose. good morning. we've been driving around here all morning. and i can tell you that the main roads are doing pretty well here
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in jersey city. the side streets, not so much. although people are getting out, doing their best to clean out the area around their homes and dig out their cars. schools here in jersey city are closed. they're also closed in nearby newark, and many other places in new jersey. unlike new york city, where public schools are open today. but as you can see, we're driving here down this street. there's snow piles on either side of the road. many of these cars are completely encased. it will take quite a while for people to dig them out. now, there were ten deaths just in the tristate area including a tragedy with a 23-year-old mother, sasha bonea, her 1-year-old son, she and her 1-year-old son died inside their car from carbon monoxide poisoning. her 3-year-old daughter is in critical condition. the children's father was just a few feet away, shoveling snow.
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they went into the car to escape and to keep warm. unfortunately, the snow was so high, the snow and ice were so high, that it blocked the tailpipe and carbon monoxide went into the car and unfortunately, the 23-year-old mother and her son passed away. just an incredible tragedy here. it goes to show you how dangerous this storm was, and as you look, we're driving down this street. you can see it will take a very long time for this to dig out of here. a major danger on the roadways this morning was black ice because although there was some melting yesterday during the day, the sun was out. temperatures dropped below freezing overnight, causing that black ice to form. hopefully with the temperatures rising above 32 today, some more melting can happen. but it will take a long time for people here in this neighborhood to dig out, jose. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you so very much.
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let's head south from where gabe is to the jersey shore, nbc's rehema ellis is there. good morning. parts of the jersey shore saw major flooding. the worst since superstorm sandy. i have to tell you, just on a personal note, watching you cover this over the weekend, you know, i don't know how you did it. it seemed so intense at moments. and so, quite frankly, dangerous. >> it was. dangerous. i think sometimes we don't think about that. we do everything we can to stay safe. as you well know, but our job is to try to show people what are some of the hazards out here, with the hope and expectation they will let us be their eyes and ears and help keep people safe. let me tell you where am i here now. this is in wildwood. i'm on a landing and what used to be a fence here. i want my cameraman to pan down. there was a bulkhead there. take a look at it now. it's under water. they had two to three feet of water in this community.
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i started to say snow. that wasn't the problem here. look over here. that bulkhead was supposed to be protecting this playground for children. now it is just a muddy mess. there's no way any child is going to be playing here anywhere soon. i was struck by seeing the sight of this toddler swing here. i'm sure it was a great place where all the kids in the neighborhood would come and gather and have great fun. that's not going to happen here for a while. we're going to back up a little bit if we can and try to stay as safe as possible. i want to pan over and show you some of the streets that are here where people live. it is also a muddy mess. we have a little bobcat here that's trying to clear away some of the mud. if we pan to the left a little bit, you'll see a landing, and it's not in the back of the waterfront where it's supposed to be. it's in someone's driveway. on the corner of that is a car that's up on a driveway that's on a slant, but only three wheels of that car are on that driveway. they'll need a tow truck to get it out.
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i spoke with a homeowner just a short while ago this morning who is also trying to clean up and assess the damage. >> it was worse than sandy, yes. >> worse than sandy? >> yes. >> you got water in your house? >> none in the house. in the garage. >> about how much water? >> 25 inches of water in the garage. >> sandy, you got a lot of water, too. >> 31 inches, but not that wind and water. you know, the waves came over in sandy, but then the bulkhead was underwater. >> a number of homeowners have told me today that they're thinking about moving because they have been through this one time, twice, three times, more times than they like to remember. it may be a little too much for them to think about going through it again. but when you live on the water, which is absolutely gorgeous, on a day like today, it turns into a menace when a storm comes. and this area that was a fabulous place for people to come and just to view the sound
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here, now is something they have to think about how do they repair it in the days and weeks and the months ahead. jose. >> rehema ellis, thank you very much. this historic blizzard also made its way onto the campaign trail for a little bit of that, let's turn to political host and correspondent steve kornacki. goes from the northeast to the campaign trail. >> yeah, well, it really sort of staying, though, in the state of new jersey. those scenes you're seeing from rehema ellis, chris christie was in new hampshire campaigning when the storm started. he came back to new jersey. he was out of there by 10:00 a.m. yesterday. there has been criticism from people inside new jersey that the governor should have stayed longer to assess some of the damage and deal with it. he was asked about it this morning on "morning joe." he was defiant. here's his response. >> there are some critics in your state and elsewhere who do wonder why you're back up in new hampshire so early. i know there's flooding damage in the southern part of your state. clearly a lot of residual damage from the storm. what do you say to the critics
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who say why did you go up to new hampshire so quickly? >> sam, i don't even know what critics you're talking ability. there is no residual damage. all the flooding receded yesterday morning. and there was no other damage. people were driving around the streets yesterday morning of new jersey. so this is just what they wish would have happened. unfortunately for them, we know how to do this. >> i have to say, jose, christie's lieutenant governor and his commissioner of the environmental agency in new jersey are both due to inspect the damage on the jersey shore today. they're going to be in four different areas of the shore that were hit hard by that. you heard the comment from one local who said this is worse than sandy. this is something multiple people on the shore, particularly in the southern part of new jersey said. here's another critic that chris christie says he hasn't heard about. a res dnlt store owner who said christie should come down here and get in his fisher waders and
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live my life. >> are those fishing waders still needed today? >> the water has receded, but there's significant damage in some parts as a result of this. that's what his lieutenant governor has been dispatched to do. a lot of people are saying if chris christie weren't running for his political life in new hampshire, he would be down there in wildwood and other places today. >> good to see you. another area hard hit, washington, d.c. that's where luke russert tis standing by for us. how is the recovery process going there? >> well, it's a slow process. i want to show you why. we just got here in downtown d.c. this is the main artery of washington, at 14th and pennsylvania. we have these front loaders that are putting the snow in the back of a dump truck. they're going to take it to an off-site dump site where the snow will go. however, there are a lot of folks who decided to try to come in to d.c. this morning, even though the streets were not completely plowed. they have caused a somewhat of a
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traffic snarl. they have not allowed the plows to get through and do their job. thankfully, the police have showed up and blocked off a lot of cars trying to get there. i want to show you an idea of this. a bus was literally trying to go where the front loaders were plowing, and putting the snow into a dump truck. imagine if you're trying to ploe the streets, and all of a sudden, a bus comes out of nowhere that's going to delay the process by which this will occur. so that's the reality here in washington, and jose, we spoke last week. i'm a life-long resident. we do a lot of things well in washington, d.c., but snow removal is not one of them. you're seeing why right now. it's a chaotic situation often. this is where the federal government is, right over my right shoulder, if we can pan out there. that's the treasury department. this is a monday, everyone is trying to go back to work. you know, the federal government is shut down. d.c. schools are shut down. local government is shut down. the metro system is essentially running on a very limited basis. but here you have this traffic
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jam and snarling right around the heart of the federal center here in d.c. so it's a slow process. it's an arduous process. probably going to take all day today. i think it's ambitious to think things will be up and running 100% tomorrow just because it's not -- it's not done here like it's done in the northeast by any means. >> luke russert, thank you very much. let me bring in bill karins. good morning. the northeast might not be out of the woods yet? >> it is possible. it's not definite. it's just a possibility at this point. i'll explain that in a second. let me first take you and summarize. we went through all the reporters and showed you everything with the storm. let me show you what the final totals were at the airports. they were pretty impressive. especially as we went through the baltimore area. 29 inches there. jfk airport at 30 inches of snow. what's crazy about all these numbers is that when you look at the average snow for the season, most of these locations, the big cities, got more snow this weekend than they typically do
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in an entire winter. that's how off the charts crazy these snowfall amounts were and why we're having such issues. we're still cold, too. we're not exactly going to do a fast melt with this. we're at 32 in new york. still 26 in washington, d.c. yes, the sun goes to work on the paum pavement, but done expect front yards to be cleaned up soon. let's talk a little bit about where we are. el nino weather patterns, this is pacific storms go into the northwest. that's what we see there. we also see tropical jet streams like this. this is a non-el nino type pattern. this is what we had where it was dry in areas of california. as we get to where we're in now, we're drier to the north, very active in the subtropical jet stream. the storms that are produced have a lot more moisture with them, just like the last one. and this next storm is coming down here from the gulf. the subtropical jet stream is more active once again. every now and then, these storms can get captured and slide up
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the coast. and sometimes there's enough cold air possible. this storm is almost captured. it's sneaking off a little bit, as another weak storm goes through the great lakes. that's why this is not a complete situation like the last one. the blue shows a possibility of snow thursday evening. the pink would be a mix down to areas of the soug. as of now, a glancing blow. boston, up into maine, but the areas that got hit hard by this storm, i would say a 20% chance of it being significant. we're still on the low end, pay attention, but nothing to worry about quite yet. >> thank you very much. we have breaking news from the supreme court which has rejected a plea to revive north dakota's abortion ban. let's go to our justice correspondent, pete williams. >> first, a notice while the federal government is shut down, the supreme court is not. that's the usual case. we had several big storms in the past 20 or 30 years where the city is shut down, but the court cranks along. it's an independent branch of government. it does what it wants. the court today rejected a request from north dakota to
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bring back its law passed in 2013. this was one of a series of laws passed by the states to try to restrict access to abortion by saying that there had been advances in medical science that fetal heartbeats can be detected at a much earlier age into the pregnancy, and that abortion should be banned when the fetal heartbeat can be detected. this law passed in 2013 would effectively have banned abortion in north dakota after six weeks of pregnancy. the supreme court declined to hear the case, so that leaves the lower court rulings in place that have blocked this law ever since it went into effect. in a way, this isn't surprising, jose, because earlier this month, the supreme court blocked a similar arkansas law that would have banned abortions after about 12 weeks of pregnancy. so it's not going to hear these two challenges. but just to note here, the supreme court is going to take up the abortion issue this term. in march, it will hear arguments about a texas law that forced abortion clinics there to either
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have doctors -- two things, really, doctors had to have admission privileges to nearby hospitals, and the clinics themselves had to conform to the same building starnz as surgical centers. the supreme court will hear that one. we will have an abortion decision in late june, jose. >> pete williams, thanks so much. >> coming up on this busy monday morning, blizzard or not, candidates are back on the trail with one week until the iowa caucuses frk but it's a former politician stealing the spotlight. reaction from the hillary clinton campaign on how a michael bloomberg run could shake the race up. >> plus, we're about 15 minutes away from learning a whole lot more ability the flint water investigation. and whether any laws were broken involving the ongoing toxic water crisis. we'll get a live update from the michigan attorney general. born with a hunger to fly and a passion to build something better. and what an amazing time it's been,
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political speculation will finally take a back seat to real voters when the iowa caucuses kick off the presidential primary season one week from today. the big players spent all weekend on the stump. blizzard or no blizzard. >> i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters. >> i will let donald speak for himself. i can say i have no intention of shooting anybody in this campaign. >> bill clinton has been running around the country. the other day he said, you know, bernie sanders is angry. well, you know what. it's true. >> i know what it's like to run from behind in new hampshire. and i know what it's like to come from behind and win in new hampshire. >> i want to bring back msnbc political correspondent steve kornacki. let's start with the state of play in iowa. >> well, you know what. on the democratic side, that is
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usually not this hard to figure it out, because you've got polls that are truly, truly all over the place, jose. we had polls in the last week that show hillary clinton slightly ahead of bernie sanders in iowa. we had polls in the last week that put bernie sanders a little ahead of hillary clinton in iowa. there was also a poll that came out in friday in iowa that had hillary clinton up by nearly 30 points there. so when we say the polls are all over the place, we really mean it. when it comes to iowa. we're kind of getting to the point here where we could like to fast forward to the caucuses and see what happens. that said, we can expect to get probably a good read on this, this weekend, if history is any indicator. the des moines register, which has what is known as the gold standard poll in that state, typically comes out just a couple days before the caucuses on both the democratic and republican side. that might give us a more solid answer, but really in iowa right now for a race of such high consequence and stakes, we really don't know. >> yeah.
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what about the endorsements, and we're looking at the newspaper endorsements. is that going to play an impact any more? >> that's another question, maybe we'll get settled a little more as this primary process plays out because if you look back, the track record, the des moines register over the weekend, the biggest paper in iowa, endorsed hillary clinton. it endorsed marco rubio. this newspaper, to give you history on it, four years ago in the republican primary, they endorsed mitt romney. he did not win the state. he came a few votes short there. back in 2008, they endorsed hillary clinton. she came in third place on the democratic side behind both barack obama and john edwards. they also endorsed john mccain on the republican side. he wasn't even in the top three out there in iowa in 2008. he didn't put a great effort into iowa, but certainly they endorsed john edwards, for that matter, if you go back to 2004. he didn't win iowa in 2004. certainly, the track record of the des moines register endorsement record in picking the caucuses, not much to write
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home about, but there is a question would it give the candidates a bit of momentum and could it make danchs in a close race. on the other hand, you look at a candidate like donald trump who has been out there thumbs his nose at the des moines register in every editorial page in just about every state so far. he has not paid any price for that. maybe the defiance has helped him. if he's as successful as the polls suggest he might be, that could change the rules going forward on how we think about newspaper endorsements. >> thank you so very much. i want to bring in karen finney. great to see you. >> great to see you. >> let's talk about the whole michael bloomberg story, that he's considering getting in. what's your reaction to that possibility? >> well, i think i'll go with what hillary said, which is how about she'll just be the nominee and he doesn't have to worry about it. >> he said he would consider running if hillary is not the nominee or if cruz and trump were the republican nominees. >> we'll just focus. we have a week to iowa and then
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we have new hampshire and then nevada, south carolina. we'll focus on that. >> what is going on in iowa? and steve was talking about just one poll that had hillary up about 20 points. all the other ones seem to show a very kind of a tight and tightening race, and one of the polls show her dropping four points, and he gaining two. is that the momentum that's happening in iowa? >> there was also a poll that showed if you go by the caucusgoers who showed up in 2008, she was winning. it shows us that things are tightening. here's what it really comes down to. we have obviously a week to go. it's about the ground game, making sure that your people get to their caucus sites, know where they're going, so it's really all about turnout. we feel really good about our operation this time. i think we had great volunteers. they have been gawking on doors and making phone calls and we had some great crowds over the weekend. we're seeing enthusiasm, and we feel good that we know where our
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people are and that they're doing to turn out. >> i think there is a difference between organization, groundwork, and enthusiasm. some are saying that that word, enthusiasm, is easier tied to the sanders campaign than it is to the clinton campaign in iowa and maybe other states. >> i disagree with that because i see people coming out. look, it's cold in iowa, and they're, you know, waiting to hear hillary clinton, and they're excited when they get there. we're seeing an increase in the size of our crowds. we're having great turnout. so i think people are excited, and i think now that it's becoming more real, people are getting even more excited and excited to support hillary and to come out and caucus for her, because they believe that she's the person that's going to deliver for them and their families. >> i want to read to you part of the "new york times" op-ed this morning. it criticized clinton's political strategy, saying, quote, practicality and incrementalism, as reasonable as that may be, simply no match for what animates the sanders
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campaign. a kind of kinetic, if sometimes overblown idealism. soon, clinton will be swept away by sanders. >> i can't disagree with that more. i have known hillary clinton for over 20 years. and this is a person who is very passionate about the issues that she cares about. you couldn't possibly be, if you didn't -- she is someone who has gotten back up time and again, and fought for the things that she believes in. that is a person with passion and someone who really cares and believes in what she's doing. i think when you look at what she's talking about, she's not just talking about, yeah, there's part of it that's about, here's how we're going to get this done, and i have gotten things done before, and this is what i'm going to get done and deliver results. but the kinds of things she's talking about, she's talking about the issues that people are talking about around their kitchen tables, like how about care givers. a lot of people in this country who are caregivers to either a stick parent or a sick child or a spouse who needs help. and she's been talking ability, you know what, we need to reach
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out and help people. she's been talking about flint and saying let's get some help in there for children. let's make sure that there's real monitoring. >> true, but until now, pretty much the clinton campaign there eto kind of ignore sanders and others, but ignore sanders. now it seems like there's a little bit more focus on sanders, what hillary clinton said, he couldn't get done. one thing is in paper. did you wait too long? >> i don't think so. again, it's been very important throughout this campaign to hillary that she have a conversation with voters about what they cared about. we started out really small for that reason. part of that was to make sure the issues and cares of what people are talking about and thinking about and worrying about are reflected in what she's talking about, and talking about how we're going to deal with some of these issues like opiate addiction and heroin, like, again, caregivers, like alzheimer's. >> you don't think you guys waited too long? >> not at all. look, i think it's the recognize thing to do to talk about, and i think this is the way we're trying to close the campaign,
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talking about the issues people care about. i know senator sanders has had a tough week. about five or six issues he had to walk back. it's tough, i understand that scrutiny. i'll leave that to others as they scrutinize his record. >> thank you for being with me. >> michigan attorney general bill schuette is about to speak live about the investigation into the flint water crisis. nearly 100,000 residents of flint have been forced to use bottled water for bathing, cooking, and drinking. we'll see what was uncovered by the a.g.'s office, if anything, next on msnbc. and an early morning mode. and a partly sunny mode. and an outside... to clear inside mode. transitions® signature™ adaptive lenses... ...are more responsive than ever. so why settle for a lens with just one mode? experience life well lit®. ...upgrade your lenses to transitions® signature™. receiving a transitions® lenses certificate of authenticity is your only guarantee that you're getting the worlds number one recommended photochromic lens.
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>> good morning, jose. good to see you were able to finally get out. that's great news. but as you look at some of these storm totals, it's amazing that a lot of places all saw more than a season's worth of snow out of one snow storm. that is pretty amazing. now, we are watching for the potential of something developing in the latter part of the week. so usually in a typical winter, you'll have the pacific jet bringing wet weather in the pacific northwest, and keeping things warm and dry across the south. well, during an el nino year, you get a little bit of a difference. you get the pacific and subtropical jet stream merging, and so that creates an active track across the southern u.s., which is what we saw. that's where the system began last week, and there's another system possibly developing some time around noon on wednesday. we'll have something in the gulf. it will bring pretty good showers and thunderstorms to much of the southeast, even florida could see 2 to 3 inches of rain before it's all over.
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however, we get during the day thursday, and we move up the coast. now, i want to stress that unlike last week's nor'easter, where the models were all pretty much in agreement pretty early on, there's a wide divergence between models. does it stay closer to the coast? some take it further off the coast. is it going to be cold enough for us to see snow? in this scenario right along the coast, it's going to be an icy mix. rain as you get into new england, and then we continue during the day thursday into friday. you'll start to see an icier mix and snow start to work its way throughout much of interior sections of new jersey, new york, and on into new england. but again, there's still no real consensus here among the models, even the ones that are a little more aggressive only give about maybe two inches of snow to new york city. so we're going to have to wait and see on this. but given what we just went through, i figured it might be decent and a good idea to talk about it.
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>> al, real quick, so florida has been getting pounded with rains and high winds, and georgia and south carolina. all that's going to be effected, posaeb possib possibly? >> this is a typical el nino pattern. we're going to see this. our friends down there are going to have to continue to deal with it. >> great to see you. let's go to dylan dreyer, who is out and about. dylan, where are you and how are things looking for you? >> hey, jose. we are in queens, one of the outer boroughs of new york city, for those who don't know. and it's not great. you know, we drove through the height of the storm from roanoke to washington, d.c. and new york city, and we hit bad road conditions. now the sun is out and this is the slowest we have had to travel, mostly because the side streets are just so jammed with snow. there's no place to put the snow. if you look out front, you can see that the cars are still buried in snow. ones that are want, that have gotten out, then they're all stuck in traffic because it's monday and since things for the
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most part in new york city area are up and running, well, now the deliveries start again. >> uh-oh. dylan, i hate to do this. this happened to me last week with you. i lost your audio. i apologize to you, but that's what happen s on live tv when you're covering the story from all angles including automobiles going through areas. i want to go now to kelly o'donnell who is at the airport, at reagan international. how are things there this morning? >> well, they're improving, jose. we can tell you that passengers are here anxiously looking at those flight boards, hoping to see that their flights are on time and moving. and overall, reagan national airport is seeing fewer than 200 flights that will not be going today. there are some delays, of course, and if commuters are trying to get from here in washington to new york, where the storm has been so difficult, that's certainly going to be a route that's effected. and jose, i'm going to toss it
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back to you. >> thank you very much. i want to go right now live, michigan attorney general bill schuette is speaking about the investigation into the flint water crisis. >> as i have stated many times, i would certainly not bathe a newborn child or a young infant in this bad water. and if you can't drink the bad water, you shouldn't pay for it. i'm announcing today that todd flood, a tough former wayne county prosecutor, and andy arena, a no-nonsense former director of the fbi in detroit, will be joining me in working with me in an investigation to determine what michigan laws, if any, may have been broken in the flint water crisis. todd flood will spearhead this independent investigation. now, reputations, reputations
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are earned. and todd and andy have excellent reputations. these two very smart and very aggressive individuals will report directly to me and provide the experience and independent review of all the facts and circumstances surrounding the crisis in flint. now, for decades, for decades, from the leadership years of frank kelly to the service of jennifer grant and mike cox, separate legal teams have been formed within the department of attorney general on a variety -- a variety of legal issues. the separate legal teams operate with iron-clad, operate with iron-clad conflict laws and are managed by an experienced ethics counsel. now, most recently, during the detroit bankruptcy, as an example, i defended the pensions of cops and firefighters while a
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separate firewalled legal team represented the governor and state departments and officials. now, this flint water investigation is no different. as i have stated, our independent investigative team will be examining what michigan laws may have been violated. and carol isaacs, chief deputy attorney general and matthew schneider, chief legal counsel, willrupt t represent the govern other parts of the state government involved in issues concerning the flint water crisis. i want to mention i'll be working with legislative leaders of both parties to insure, to insure that the proper funding of this independent investigation, and this is an investigation and proper funding that every citizen of michigan desires and deserves.
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a final word. i take every action in every decision i make in my responsibility as attorney general seriously. i'm not casual about anything. this investigation will be thorough. this investigation will be exhaustive. and this investigation will be independent. and this investigation is about beginning the road back. the road back to rebuild and to regain and to restore trust in government. now, make no mistake about it. without fear and without favor, this independent investigation will be high performance and the chips fall where they may. let me introduce todd flood. todd flood is an experienced tough prosecutor. he'll do an outstanding job as
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special counsel. todd. >> thank you. good morning. thank you very much, attorney general bill schuette, for the kind words. i am humbled. i'm humbled to be back and to the forum where i represent the people of the state of michigan. i am humbled to be part of a team that is going to investigate and take on this crisis and take on managing the investigation with my peer and colleague and friend, someone i have been against and with, andy arena. this is an investigation i can assure you, we're going to open up every door. we're going to ask tough questions. the proverbial questions of what did you know and when did you know it? we're going to get through and to the bottom of what happened in this situation. the people deserve that, and
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then we will report back as it should be, to the attorney general. on this side. to make sure that the people are represented fairly and we get the answers they deserve. this is a case and a crisis that contamination of this water that there needs to be an answer where people understand and can hold accountable those, if any, who were at fault. the landscape in this case is voluminous. it's going to take a very thorough team to go through every part of it. the people of the city of flint, the county, they understand, i hope, that we are going to make sure we're there and we talk to everyone we need to. we have put a team around us. this is part of the team. we will use all the resources necessary, and the people should understand and expect that.
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so i can't say enough. i'm humbled by the fact that the attorney general has selected me, and i can assure you i'm not going to talk after this press conference. this is a case where we are going to do our mission and we're going to make sure that we get the work done right. not about time. it's about doing it right. >> news conference right now. announcing an independent investigation to see if any laws were broken. joining me now, tony dokoupil, olivia sterns. tony, your reaction to what the attorney general and his group just said? >> well, jose, that's a potentially pivotal moment in this water crisis. the people appointed todd flood and andrew arena. those are people with big-time reputations. residents recognize the names, they have seen them in the newspaper, heard them on the
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news. two points that the attorney general made that are significant. he said i wouldn't bathe a baby in this water, and he also said if you can't drink it, you shouldn't pay for it. that's going to be very happy news for the residents. everyone we talked to complained about the fact they're paying higher than average water bills for water they can't use. the reason he appointed these two people is because a conflict of interest. now, about the lawsuits, their rr alleging severe injury to people's health and their wallets because of the crisis. that injury, jose, is not over. i'm in a hard-hit neighborhood on the north side where more than 50% of the water samples have lead in them. you would think at this point the houses have been visited by the national guard. residents say they have not. and you would think residents weren't using the water, but that's not the case. >> they hurt so bad, i scratch them until they bleed. >> these dark spots? >> yeah, they turn dark like this. this one, i have been scratching
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it. >> when did you stop drinking the water and bathing in the water? >> i took a bath in it this morning. >> you're not supposed to take baths in it. why did you do senate? >> what am i supposed to do. i didn't take one all week. i haven't taken one all week. >> you have to choose between being clean and having clear skin. >> what are you going to do? what can you do? you know, i didn't take a bath all week. had to take one. i was smelling myself. >> so jose, as you can hear from that interview, this crisis is far from over, particularly in these outlying neighborhoods. while the attorney general's words will be welcome news to the people, they're still waiting for the solution that will get them out of the crisis. >> what are officials asking? don't use the water to bathe, but then don't worry? we're not going to go to your neighborhood 12 days into it. ari melber -- >> it's the middle of winter. take a warm bath.
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you can't heat up that much bottled water in the microwave. it's not possible. >> it's really inconceivable. thank you, tony. let's talk about a few things. first, the legal repercussions because the press conference was to see if any laws were broken. then there's also the issue of the severe injury lawsuits that tony was saying. a lot of folks -- >> i want to react to the breaking news we showed, which was the attorney general saying he's going to do this independently. we have a banner on our screen that says independent investigator appointed. and that is certainly the claim of the attorney general and we're reporting that. but let's be clear. the unless of this whole thing is contested. a lot of people in michigan frustrated about government conduct up to date, and now, they're looking at the attorney general here who is saying, well, this will be independent because his office will have the special people, including todd flood, who we just heard from, who will do the investigation while a different part of his office will continue to represent the governor. okay, that is what is
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traditionally called a conflict of interest. >> so this gentleman, flood, is independent from the state officials? is his office going to be independent of it? are the staffers he's using totally independent from staff that is part of the michigan state system? >> great questions. i think the answer we heard in essence in the press conference is yes and no. in other words, i want to be clear. todd flood as a former prosecutor and attorney does have a solid reputation. he's tried for example, 125 jury trials, only lost eight. he's seen as a talented litigator. but without casting aspersions on his ability to do a job, the larger question is what you just raised. he's still reporting independently, but reporting and working under the auspices and appointment of the attorney general, who is separately elected from the governor, who who again, as i said, represents the governor. the a.g.'s office in michigan represented the governor in other matters. to be fair to them, they say this has come up before.
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this is not brand-new. they try to do what they call the special wall separating it, but i want to be clear. given what we learned about government conduct, local and state, in the run-up to the water kries, and given the fact there are add least serious questions about the governor's conduct and his opponentiy appointees and their truthfulness and their transparency, this does pose a problem. i think the test will be how do these investigations work? do they have outside authority? and a question that hasn't been answered yet. what happens? what happens if one of these so-called independent attorneys working for the state a.g. finds problems that lead up to potential violations by the governor and his people? does it stay then in the same office? or at some point, is it portioned off? these may sound like legal questions, buthese are big questions. >> fundamental questions. olivia is here with a look at the economic impact on flint. we were seeing the gentleman
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saying he hasn't bathed all week. yet, there is no solution coming from government. >> no, there isn't. it's a really disturbing interview tony played us a part of. one of the surprising consequences of that is we spoke to hair salons who said they have seen an uptick in business because people are so worried about bathing and contaminating their hair, they have been going to hair salons to get their hair washes. >> if you have the money. >> and we know of course a large portion of flint is living below the poverty line. that said, business is hurting. we have been speaking to businesses. we have people on the ground and have spoken to some restaurants who have seeing as much as a 40% decline in business. they're reporting a lot of customers are asking for drinks without water. we spoke to the manager of one popular bar in town. he said he's been closing early every single night for the past three weeks. there's a spa there in town who put up a sign even saying our water does not come from the flint water system. but so far, it's not much help. >> yeah, and it doesn't seem
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like this is going to get any better in the short term. this is costing not only businesses but folks. i mean, everyone is paying a cost for this. just putting aside the incredible health costs. >> yeah, it's incredible. i think you see the dilemma right there with the res dnlt that tony spoke to. he has a rash, yet he's still bathing in it because what can he do? >> thank you very much. and by the way, rachel maddow hosts a very special town hall, and we have the information to give you right now on the graphic. it is wednesday, at 9:00 p.m. an american disaster. the crisis in flint, right here on msnbc. hosted by rachel maddow. we're going to be back in just seconds. for over 850 miles. my men driven nearly mad from starvation and frostbite. today we make history. >>bienvenidos! welcome to the south pole! if you're dora the explorer, you explore. it's what you do. >>what took you so long? if you want to save fifteen percent or more
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and back to politics. the final sprint to iowa. with just one week until the democratic caucus, a new poll shows bernie sanders and hillary clinton neck and neck. erica, great seeing you. >> good morning, jose. >> tell me what's going on in
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iowa. >> well, our momentum continues to grow. we're really excited to see the polls. we're really excited to see the numbers of people who are showing up to our events. just last night, we had about more than 2,000 people in a town of 8,000, which is amazing. and you know, but we don't take any poll for granted. we're going to continue to push. again, we see the momentum growing and bernie's message resonated across the country with americans and especially in iowa. he went from, you know, a couple months ago, people didn't believe he could make it to now really people seeing we have a chance at making the political revolution a reality. >> erica, karen finney who is here with me from the clinton campaign just a little while ago said the senator had a tough week. had to change his positions and his policy papers on a number of issues. is that how you see it? are you guys having to change your policy positions because of the tightening of the race and the focus on his positions being increased? >> absolutely not. if there's anybody in the race
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i'm tamron hall. we begin with breaking news out of flint, michigan. just moments ago, we heard from michigan's attorney general bill schuette on the lunch of an investigation into whether any laws were broken that led to flint's water being contaminated. take a listen. >> the investigation will be thorough. this investigation will be exhaustive. and this investigation will be independent. make no mistake about it. without fear and without favor, this independent investigation will be high-performance, and the chips fall where they may. >> and joining me now from flint is msnbc national reporter tony dokoupil. what's the latest on what we heard from the attorney general of michigan and where things go from here? >> well, tamron, the residents here in flint are very happy to hear of this special appointment. these are two individuals, todd flood and andrew arena who have a local reputation. a long history here. todd was a murder prosecutor in
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detroit. his name is familiar from the papers and tv here. andrew arena was the head of the fbi office in detroit. he's somebody with a heavy reputation here. people are happy to see some serious inquiry taking place. they also were happy to hear the attorney general say two things in particular. one, if you have a baby, don't be bathing that baby in this water. that's a reminder to people who are still not getting the message. we have gone door to door, and there are individuals still bathing in the water, still drinking the water. the second point, this is a very popular one, if you can't drink the water, you shouldn't pay for it. one of the dark ironies in flint is it has one of the highest water rates in the country, and individuals are still having to pay for it even though they can't use it. it attorney general saying that can shouldn't be the case. it wins applause around here. and finally, residents are looking not only for talk, though, for action as well. we're on the north side of flint. in one of the hardest-hit neighbors. more than 50% of the water samples from this area came up with lead in them.

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