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hi, everyone. i'm kate snow and it is what we call super tuesday here at msnbc. just six days to go to the iowa caucuses. all eyes are on the candidates holding rallies. at any moment now hillary clinton expected to speak at a caucus event in decorah, iowa. it comes as a poll shows hillary clinton leading nationally, but her lead is shrinking a little bit, and for the republicans, it's all about donald trump. the billionaire has increased his lead by five points from last week, has as much support as the next four contenders combined. trump's chief rival for the nomination isn't giving up,
though. ted cruz is busy in iowa, seven events in less than 12 hours, and a ted cruz superpac is jumping
in today with a new ad running in the hawkeye state starting today. >> first there was hillary care. >> we have to get moving. >> then there was obamacare. >> moving us in the direction of universal health care in this country. >> we can't afford trump care. >> everybody has to be covered. this is an unrepublican thing for me to say. >> hallie jackson is with cruz in iowa. hallie, seven stops in one day? how you doing? >> and countless cups of coffee, kate. we were wrapping up earlier with the senator, now on thhis thirdr fourth stop of the day. he's hoping to hit eight or nine counties by monday, all the counties in the state. cruz has to make closing arguments. that's the focus of his campaign right now, six days out from the
caucuses. you're seeing him get backup from his superpac, his allies and supporters working independently, but hanging that same line against donald trump, that trump is simply too liberal to win the nomination or win the caucuses in iowa. i can tell you the campaign is glad to see the superpac start to roll out with these advertisements. the campaign itself is also pushing out a couple negative ads against trump, including one on those new york values. governor rick perry, the former texas governor, is with senator cruz today, and this is something governor perry talked about a little bit. he said, hey, people in iowa understand what new york values are, they know what texas values are, they know what iowa values are, and that's the message ted cruz is trying to send. you talk about the evangelical support here, kate, and how many evangelicals have caucused in the past for the event wal winners. mike huckabee, rick santorum. i asked cruz about this, you have support for trump from
jerry falwell jr. you look at the news picking up support from evangelicals. what are you going to do about it? here's what ted cruz had to say. >> every candidate can talk a good game on the trail. and we are so frustrated with campaign conservatives, people who tell us what we want to hear but then go to washington and they don't do what they say. every one of us has been burned by politicians that didn't follow through. and i think the stakes are too high for us to get burned again. so the judgment that the men and women of iowa are making is who has a proven record as a consistent conservative who has been the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. and that's the reason why we're seeing conservatives come together. it's the reason why governor rick perry is standing here with me. it's the reason why we've got several more major endorsements that will be rolling out later today and throughout this week. we are seeing conservative leaders throughout the country coming together. we're seeing pastors in iowa and south carolina and new
hampshire, across this country, pastors coming together saying our values, the judea christian values that built america are under assault. and we need a president that will defend the constitution and defend our value. >> reporter: and senator cruz also in that response, kate, teased ahead to what he is calling a significant endorsement from somebody prominent in the evangelical community later on tonight. he'll also be getting here on the campaign trail a little backup from the freshman nebraska senator who will be out with ted cruz and marco rubio here in the coming week. he says it's a pro constitution stand, and if people want to read that as anti-trump, then so be it, kate. >> hallie jackson following everything with the cruz campaign. i'm going to send you a starbuck's card or something, get you some caffeine. hallie, thank you so much. let's pivot now from senator cruz to the man he's chasing, donald trump. cruz calling in on "the morning joe" today and defending his
attacks on cruz. >> ted cruz lies. he's a liar. and that's why nobody likes him. that's why his own people won't endorse him, that's why he stands in the middle of the senate floor and can't make a deal with anybody. he looks like a jerk. he's standing all by himself. >> nbc's kate letuer is in iowa. he joins us on the phone between stops. let's talk about the events today. he's set to have a town hall in marshalltown, iowa, a few moments from now. is this return fire over this pro cruz superpac ad that hallie was talking about? >> i think it's over exactly what ted cruz does. donald trump and ted cruz, we're six days out from iowa, and they're doing everything they can to pare the other down and distinguish themselves from the other. so donald trump is right now trying to go on the evangelical
vote. he was endorsed by jerry falwell jr. and trump is doing a lot better when it comes to iowa moderates. if he's able to edge a little more evangelical support away from ted cruz, that coupled with the moderates could put him over the edge. i'm hoping this jerry falwell jr. endorsement will be what they need. of course, he's not a big figure this this state. it's unclear how exactly he is going to play, but donald trump needs anything, something. this is the only religious leader that has come out in support of him, and he needs that credibility. right now ted cruz has gotten all the evangelical support, especially here in iowa. so trump needs to make the case that his christian faith is not just for show, but that it is
true, that it is deep and he is a true question. we're having trouble with that in some areas, especially when we saw that university video last week, he was quoting 2 corinthians instead of 2nd corinthians. and jerry falwell could move the needle just a little bit to make a difference for trump in this state. >> thank you very much. i want to bring out jordan, msnbc news and former policy adviser with the rand paul campaign. you've been listening to all that. there is so much to talk about. do you see this as a two-ran mace right now? >> i think ted cruz peaked just a little too early, and speculation now is that he's
going to win iowa. so anything trump can do to upset him or make it, and i use the air quotes every time i say it. we've seen a lot of establishment support, or at least a grudging knowledge of trumps. does the establishment now see him as the lesser of two ooeflz? >> i think it depends on how you define services. yes, he is somewhat of a grass woots evangelical. i think the lines are blurred. look at how many republican candidates there are. i do think trump is safer to the, quote, unquote, establishment that we're used to in a traditional washington sense.
it's not going to be a total upheaval of traditional consultants. that would really start to hit people's bank accounts. >> nate sill verz out with a new poed today. it's called "the republican party may be failing." he writes that the republican party will dominating trump, a candidate who might at once object larger parts. >> i'm talking about the money mechanisms. trump will pull in a lot of the same people, consultants, pollsters. he's not going to go completely against the rnc. he isn't completely going to bring in his own people like ted cruz, who really has made his entire candidacy a rejection of the washington class, they
rejected him in 2000 when he failed to get the position he wanted after the bush campaign. >> elyse jordan, nice to get your perspective. the two democrats are fighting their own battle. they were in their own forum in des moines, iowa last night before their caucus in six days. casey hunt is following the bernie sanders campaign. polls are showing both sanders and clinton trading back and forth in iowa with huge swings either direction. they're kind of all over the place. that's the nbc news silver monkey on-line poll showing that clinton has a big lead nationally. does sanders have to win iowa? were his people telling you, we're all right, we're fine if we don't win here? >> as sanders himself put it today, they think it's nip and
tuck here in iowa. they think it's a very close race that will depend whether or not they can get their new supporters to the poll. some were wanting to fight onward. that's why he wanted to go to minnesota today, to do one of those rallies sanders is known for and to show that he can generate big support, big numbers in place that aren't iowa or new hampshire. but realistically, it's going to get a lot tougher for senator sanders if he isn't able to eke out a win here in iowa. a lot of the people i talk to has a sense that previously if hillary clinton had lost here, it would have been seen as a big surprise. i think now it would be less of a surprise than.
she's going to the west coast to help doing some, if it does come out that sanders is able to win here and it looks like he has a much more. that could put her fighting this nomination through march, through april. now, of course, clinton people will say, she's done that before, too, and she's prepared to do it again, hopefully with a different outcome than 2008. >> let me play one last night from bernie sanders. it's something you don't listen to. >> will we raise many taxes. we will rain takz but we're also
going to limit for businesses. >> kate, it says we will raise taxes. it sounds like the general election ad kind of runs himself. >> that's right, and i think that's why you'll see republicans privately rooting for bernie sanders. they think it would be. many. he had some tough moments in responding to these clinton attacks. both sanders and clinton agree on the sdirchsz between themselves, and now it's at a point where it will just be for the voters. >> thank you so much. we'll have morally
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. new jersey governor and presidential candidate chris christie is in a bit of hot water for his handling. he had planned to stay home from the campai the campaign and some thought he should come home and address the blizzard. he eventually went home because people said the flooding was as bad as when hurricane sandy hit that area. in new hampshire, chris christie was confronted about leaving new jersey after the flooding. >> why are you here in new hampshire campaigning instead of there helping, serving the damages done by the coastal floodings from the storm? >> well, because it's already done. it's already done. >> okay. >> tell me why you think it isn't. >> i have friends, family
calling me sending me pictures all over the state. >> all over the state. all over the state. really? there's been one county that's flooded in the state. one county. that was cape may county. it's the one county flood. i don't know where from all over the state, since we have 21 counties, where that's happened. second, i don't know what you expect me to do. do you want me to go down there with a mop? >> moments ago the governor was asked at a press conference by a reporter if his mop comment was a step too far. >> it was a joke. charlie -- charlie, believe me, i've been hearing your questions for so long. because i know what the question is. no, it was a joke. so no, i don't think so. it was a joke, charlie. >> nbc's jacob rascon is in west wildwood following this story. that's where the flooding
happened. how are things playing there? >> reporter: i think the woman line is it wasn't a joke here, and they know it, they just want to know it. he mentioned several towns that have been hit but he did not mention west wildwood and this is probably the hardest hit town in the entire state. it was worse here than it was during hurricane sandy. here in west wildwood hundreds of homes were flooded, and it was worse this time around. so we asked some of the residents to respond to governor christie's comments. here's what one of them had to say. >> i think it takes a little bit more than a mop for this. the homes not livable anymore. the bulkhead is gone. whether he sees it on camera or himself in person, the devastation is what it is. that's not going to change. it's going to take more than a mop. >> reporter: so to imagine how bad the flooding was here, it was about chest high where i am.
behind me is the seawall that totally broke down. the water came through and almost all of the 1,000 homes here were surrounded by water. the water now gone, the town now looking for help. with me now is the mayor of the town. he was listening with me to the comments. i think we were both listening to some acknowledgment but we didn't get it. what is your reaction? >> maybe he hasn't had a chance to talk to the senator or our congressman. i hope that's the case. i'm a little disappointed i haven't heard anything. that's the only answer i can come up with. >> that was encouraging they came earlier today to survey the damage and they said, wow, this is a lot of damage. why do you think we're not getting that from the governor? >> well, if you really listen to the governor, he's saying this was not as bad as sandy, but he talks about up north jersey, because he's right, they got hit hard by sandy. this storm was worse than sandy for us because sandy wasn't that bad like he was saying. we had a lot of homes damaged,
but this time with the breach of this bulkhead, it caused a lot more damage, so it is worse than sandy. >> now, what would you like from the governor? what are we looking for? >> well, one thing, he really is apologizing, in my heart, for what he said. he doesn't want to say an apology, but if he was standing before that interview he had with the woman crying, he would apologize. he is a good-hearted person, he's going to do his best, and he's going to do everything he can to make sure this gets fixed. >> so i wonder if the disconnect is he hasn't seen this damage. he had said in that interview that the surveying of the areas that had damage had been done, but they hadn't been here at that point. maybe he just hasn't seen or heard any of this. >> i do believe that. otherwise i think he would have mentioned west wildwood. having said that, he has an opportunity now to either come here himself or send a lieutenant governor to at least let our folks know that we do
care and that is not a joke and that he will move forward to get the assistance that we need. >> thank you so much. and to give you an idea of the town as well, kate, they have an overall budget of $2 million. and the damage overall here is probably in the millions of dollars. that's what they really need is some aid, some money to help them fix things here. kate? >> all right, jacob rascon down in new jersey. jacob, thanks. hillary clinton is expected at a get out the caucus event in iowa. she's making a final push for voters, and we'll talk to her chief strategist, straight ahead.
here in iowa. >> that's a new ad from the bernie sanders campaign making a closing argument, if you will, just six days away from the iowa caucuses. the ad focuses heavily on aspirations and what some might call even hope and change. it also stands in stark contrast to hillary clinton's new ad which charts the candidate's history of
advocacy on behalf of children. >> one of the areas that i've been particularly interested in is the area of children. all of us have a responsibility to ourselves, to our children, to each other. >> we intend to be sure that everybody in this room and every child in this state is somebody. >> i've spent my life fighting for children, families and our country, and i'm not stopping now. >> joining me now, the chief strategist for hillary clinton's presidential campaign, joel benningson is with us. you watched that ad and you watched bernie sanders' ad. there is a contrast.
her ad seems to be looking back at her experience which his seems to be a little more forward looking. do you buy that contrast? >> no, i think part of the contrast here is which one has a history of getting things done that actually make a difference in people's lives. hillary clinton is known for a couple decades for fighting hard for children. she made a huge difference in
this country when the first attempt at health care failed in the '90s. she went back to work in congress and passed the children's health program. i think what the rest of the country will be deciding now is which one of these people can make a real difference in my life now? i think there is a real difference between these candidates in terms of how they're approaching the issues and which one will really have an impact on people's lives in the near term. >> we dug up an ad from 2008 from the iowa caucuses, just before the iowa caucuses in 2008. this is hillary clinton back then. >> i've seen what change takes. it doesn't happen because you
want it to or because you hope for it. you have to work for it. i have 35 years' experience making change for kids, for our troops, for families. >> it feels similar to the ads that she's running now. it's my experience that matters, is the message. it didn't work last time around. you were on the obama side last time around, you know it didn't work last time. why will it work this time? >> every election is different. every election has a different dynamic. when we were running in 2007 and '08, we had george bush at the time we were campaigning and an age of bipartisanship that had been introduced by republicans. i think today's time is quite different. we've had seven years of progress. hillary clinton sits on the stump all the time. president obama doesn't get the credit he deserves. he brought us back from the brink of this crisis, and now what people want is someone who has what it takes to keep moving us forward. i think president obama had some very nice, gracious things to say about hillary clinton the
other day, but also in that interview he made some points about what it takes to become president, and certain points of the job, and having to roll your sleeves up and not letting the perfect rule the good. because where you make progress is being on the front lines of those fights. i think our two ads there highlight that difference in approach. >> one more ad moment. sorry, i don't want to be all about ads, but last night at the forum, it was interesting. hillary clinton was shown a bit of the simon and garfunkel ad that bernie sanders is running, and this is how she responded. >> i'm bernie sanders and i approve this message. >> i think that's great. i think that's fabulous. i loved it. look, you can't paint in poetry, yougov ea govern in prose.
we need a lot more poetry, and i applaud that. >> has she done a lot more governing in poetry? >> i think she has, and i'm smiling because when i first started in politics, it was for the governor mario cuomo. and governor obama quoted that as well. and also, who doesn't like that ad? simon & garfunkel, it's a great song -- >> if you are of a certain age. >> and i happen to be of a certain age, and that song is part of my early years as well. but i think where people are right now is different. look, they know they've come back, they know they've gotten to a point of stability, they know they haven't regained the security that they want. they know that being middle class was never supposed to be easy, but they don't it should be this hard. and hillary clinton and the way she's campaigned and what she's talking about doing, and the way we would get down college debt and the way we would create equal pay for women and raise
incomes, she understands that's what working women need for themselves and their family. it will take real work. it will take a president to do all aspects of the job, keeping us safe overseas and making real progress economically going forward. >> joel beeni ibennington, than. >> thank you. having children tested for lead poisoning in flint, michigan. this all leads up to the town hall in flint tomorrow. more on that, coming up. i'm billy, and i quit smoking with chantix. i had a lot of doubts going in. i was a smoker. hands down, it was... that's who i was. after one week of chantix, i knew i could quit. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix reduced my urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. some had seizures while taking chantix.
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joining me now from outside that school, nbc national reporter tony dekopol. tony, i have tols i tweeted a picture of you earlier in front of that sign because i can't believe it says family fun night and lead testing. >> reporter: that's right, kate, family fun night and lead testing. that's not two separate events, it's one event. i was in there watching the nurses set up. they've got chips, they've got basketballs, arts and crafts. for kids with needles, all under six, they'll have to extend a finger and let six drops of blood come out. mom and dad will be there, lots of people in costume, lots of distraction but also a painful moment. and a difficult moment for parents, because this school is one of three schools in flint that tested positive or tested for high levels of lead in the drinking water within the school. so this location was selected not because it's convenient for driving to, but because there's real concern that the kids inside might have been harmed because of the pipes here. they won't leave today with their results, so give up the
blood. it will go back to a lab to be tested. but they are walking away with one of the sadder coloring books i've seen. this is "ethan's house gets healthier." this is a coloring book for kids to try to understand what might be happening in their home, kate. >> is this privately funded, and do they have enough kids if there is a big turnout? they had another event where it was just so crowded, right? >> this is a mix of private and public fund. you mentioned an event where there was a sellout. i was present at an event over the weekend where four times as many people expected showed up. they actually ran out of needles. nurses tell me they're prepared for many more people than even live in the area, so they're taking precautions and everybody who shows up should get what they're looking for. >> tony dekopol in flint, michigan. thank you, tony. people in flint just took a bold step issuing a subpoena to
governor rick snyder. ari melbourne is here in the newsroom. they're asking for, what, his records, his e-mails? >> exactly. governor snyder said, hey, i'll share with you some of my e-mails that i've chosen and take a look. what they say in their lawsuit where they allege they've been harmed by this poison water, they want much more than he's given up, as well as text messages and other documents. they ultimately want to depose him, make him sit under oath. this goes to what is a human story we talked about, a tragedy. but also obviously a story -- not to be too dramatic, but a story of how do you get justice, right? we obviously know there is a state investigation. these suits, when we spoke to lawyers last week, there were about 500 people in the class action suit. there is now over 1,200. and these are people not waiting for the government or the media or anyone else to try to get it together, they're stepping up in the courtroom themselves with plaintiff's attorneys who, of course, can also make money off
this, because they get a cut if there is damages later. but basically said, we want to stand up for ourselves now, we want to get the information now, we want to put these officials on the spot. they're alleging several things. they're alleging, of course, a type of failure on the job. some of them are alleging a type of battery and intentional fraud by these officials, and many alleging something that people largely agree on, a real denial of due process. these decisions were made and now they're living with them and they didn't get a say. they didn't get a process to begin with. >> they had no choice in the matter. obviously they're asking for monetary damages, right? >> yes. >> in terms of the subpoena and why they want these records, they're hoping to be able to follow that paper trail and point some blame in certain directions? >> absolutely. and in these kind of civil suits which, again, is just a regular person going to regular court, you don't need a criminal prosecution. you're not trying to send anyone to jail. in these suits, though, you have to assert more than just harm. you were harmed by the water.
that's one thing, right? but you could be harmed by a hurricane or harmed by naturally occurring poisons that aren't necessarily to blame by the government. so what they have to allege beyond that and why they're subpoenaing these records is that the government fell down on the job, and in some cases intentionally hurt them. that's what they need the evidence for. >> all right, let's take a closer look at what it might cost to actually fix the water in flint. for that we go to olivia sterns. olivia. >> there are the long-term cost and what it would actually cost to fix, the flint water system, and the lead testing, the nurses, the bottled water is going to cost. $1.5 billion. that is the statement for mayor caron in flint, michigan. this is what she thinks it will cost to fix all of flint's pipes. we're talking 16300 miles of pipe.
the governor's office said, governor snyder, that it would probably be half of that to fix all the water mains, more than $750 million. they think there is actually a cheaper fix to coat the lines so lead doesn't seep out. but there are immediate costs like getting nurses, testing people's blood, getting bottled water, paying for water filters. the money is beginning to dmom in drips and drabz. there's $30 million, we know, coming from the obama administration. the governor has already asked for another $28 million. this is expected to be approved by the senate any time soon, but this is just a big band-aid and goes nowhere near that big
number for the long-term fix. kate? >> the water crisis crippling flint right now sheds light on a bigger issue, across the country and people living in poverty may be much more impacted by neglected environmental issues. joining me now is the author of the business times article "beyond flint: poor blacks, latinos endure oversized burden of america's industrial waste and hazards. you raised a big picture question here, and i want to start with a statistic. in michigan, 11% of latinos, almost 9% of blacks live in chemically hazardous areas compared to 4.5% of white people. that's quite a disparity. >> well, the disparity is actually even more pronounced when you think about children. latino children are twice as likely -- and this is low income latino children -- are twice as likely to live near a dangerous
facility or environmental hazard, twice as likely than poor white children. >> you write in the article, the flint water crisis continues to generate headlines, but the negligence and mismanagement of public resources in largely minority communities reaches far beyond the borders of that central michigan city. across the country, blacks and latinos are more likely than whites to live dangerously close to environmental hazards. how do we begin to change that? >> well, one aspect of that dynamic and that disparity is the fact that they don't have the type of political power, the political say-so, the voice to go before their city council, a public resource authority and say, hey, if you're going to expand this facility, if you're going to reopen this power plant, you have to let us know what the risk is to us. we live closest.
let us know, we'll be impacted first. >> aaron thank you for shedding some light on this. aaron morrison, appreciate your time. rachel mad nddow is headed flint to address the water crisis. we're going to speak to rachel about that town hall meeting next hour. coming up, how an investigation into planned parenthood ended with indictments of anti-abortion activists. he's agreed to give it up. ok, but i have 30 acres to cover by sundown. we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. yeah, i was ok, but after lunch my knee started hurting again so... more pills. yep... another pill stop. can i get my aleve back yet? for my pain... i want my aleve. get all day minor arthritis pain relief with an easy open cap.
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we're back to talk about another legal story. this one had a twist. i think people thought eventually planned parenthood would get in trouble based on what we saw in those videos, and it's the opposite. >> that's what a lot of people alleged, including a couple candidates for president in their debates with 23 million people watching made these allegations. the deputy governor of texas said, let's have this investigation, and this local prosecutor, a d.a. who is a republican, by the way, bakely went forward with it. here's what she said. we were called upon to investigate allegations of criminal conduct by planned parenthood gulf coast. we must go where the evidence leads us, all the evidence uncovered in the course of this investigation was presented to the grand jury. i respect the grand jury's decision on this difficult case. they allegedly violated the law, tampered with documents and
identification, and one of them allegedly mishandled human organs, or pieces thereof, which, of course, was the very thing they were alleging that planned parenthood did. >> on the first question of the documents, it was the licenses, right, that they showed in order to get past this? >> they needed to get access. they made all their videos, and through all this, their claims were they were some sort of citizen journalists and activists, just trying to gain information. what we hear from the grand jury, not the partisans and people debating this, but according to the grand jury, citizens, non-partisan who looked at everything, including things we haven't seen yet, according to that, these were not journalists, these were not activists expressing a view, which they have a right to do. these were people who were fraudulently getting access to places by lying about it and misrepresenting themselves and what they found. the consequences are huge. >> what happens if they're convicted of these crimes? >> one faces up to 20 years in prison. this is a second-degree felony. this is serious business.
and then you think about the dialogue in the country. obviously abortion has long been a hotly disputed issue of moral, political and ethical dimensions. but beyond that, we had a debate in this country about potentially shutting down the entire federal government over allegations against planned parentho parenthood, that many ostensibly responsible people were sharing as fact. according to this grand jury, those allegations were not correct. indeed, they were put forward by people now indicted who are, as i always say, innocent until proven guilty and they would be able to argue this out. i would say as a lawyer, whatever this grand jury saw must have been pretty overwhelming to not only clear the target of this investigation but move on. >> did i hear there's something else going on, republicans in texas still pursuing their own investigation or something? >> yeah, in the entire planned parenthood videos which went around and got this attention led to several inquiries, including non-prosecutorial
committees. they said, hey, we want to look more at this, they don't like what planned parenthood does. but it's a good faith disagreement about abortion and what the policy should be, there's a big difference between that and wantonly or irresponsibly accusing people you have a disagreement with of being criminals. those were serious allegations leveled against planned parenthood, according to this prosecutor and grand jury, they were without merit. >> ari melber, thanks so much. >> you got it. and amazing drone video showcasing erosion along the california coast. find out why residents there are being forced from their homes after the break. be good. text mom. boys have been really good today. send. let's get mark his own cell phone. nice. send. brad could use a new bike. send. [siri:] message. you decide. they're your kids. why are you guys texting grandma? it was him. it was him. keep your family connected.
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some cliffside residents in pacifica, california, are being forced to evacuate their homes as the ground beneath them literally is washing away. in this incredible drone video, you can see parts of the cliff fall out from under the apartment buildings. nbc's gabe gutierrez is in pacifica, california, following this story for us. gabe, three buildings have
already been declared uninhabitable, as i understand it. and how many more at risk? >> hi, there, kate. good afternoon. yeah, it really is an incredible sight. that's the big question right now. how many more buildings could be at risk during this year of el nino. el nino is being blamed for these storms that have really built up this coastal erosion and this area has dealt with this for many years. and even back in 1998, the last year with strong el nino, they also had several homes fall off this cliff. but as you mentioned, it's that incredible drone video capturing this cliff start to come apart, right before our eyes. now, on friday, the city manager here had declared a state of emergency. yesterday during a city council meeting, local officials approved an emergency declaration and that will allow the city to ask for state and federal funds to fight coastal erosion. now, we spoke with several of the residents that are moving out right now, several of them are worried, they have no place
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view this as a situation where they want to stay here, they feel that the property owner hasn't been straight with them and they're staying here for the long haul, they say. on the other hand, a very tough situation, as you notice, the next big storm, anything could happen. >> gabe, while we have you, can i switch gears to a completely different story you've been covering for weeks now. this is the story of ethan couch, the so-called affluenza teen, who, of course, fled to mexico with his mother. his mother already returned to the united states, but gabe, you have new information about when ethan couch may return to the u.s.? >> reporter: that's right. ethan couch's mexican attorney, fernando benetis says he formally blocked the injunction blocking ethan couch's deportation and that means he could return to the united states as early as this week. the exact timing is up in the air. a lot of this case has been up in the air. but what is significant is that now, we know that ethan couch is no longer fighting his
deportation back to the u.s. as you mentioned, his mother, tonya couch, came back a while back, and she is now out on bail. now, what is the next step in this case, once he does return to the u.s. and does return to texas is a hearing that had been delayed to transfer his case from juvenile court to adult court. if it is transferred to adult court and a judge could sentence him to 120 days in jail. if he violates that for any reason, he could -- the prosecutor could go after him for up to 40 years. so he's expected at this point to return to the u.s. for as early as this week. >> gabe gutierrez bringing us that breaking news. gabe, thanks so much. coming up at the top of the hour, we dig into the new polls just out today as we head into the final countdown for the iowa caucuses. plus, the unique role the hawkeye state plays in our presidential politics.
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i'm kate snow. it is super tuesday here at msnbc. so we start this hour, of course, talking about iowa. six days now to the caucuses there. we've seen bernie sanders and hillary clinton neck and neck in the hawkeye state, but a brand-new nbc news/survey monkey online survey shows clinton maintaining a strong national lead. meantime, what started as something of a truce has turned into an all-out war between the top two republicans. both of them letting loose today, and they could both be getting big endorsements this evening. let's start with those new polls. hillary clinton holding a big lead nationally. she's lost a point since last month, but still has a 14-point edge over bernie sanders. on the republican side, ted cruz is following a little bit behind. donald trump's lead is now at 22 points. nbc's senior political editor, mark murray, joins us now with more. mark, to some extent, the numbers haven't changed all that much, right?
but in the details, you may see some movement. >> that's right, kate. and actually, you know, it's going to change so much, what ends up happening in iowa and new hampshire. and they're almost two different contests that are occurring right now. one, the national race, and you ended up putting out the national poll numbers, where hillary clinton and donald trump both have significant national leads. but then there are the races in iowa and new hampshire, where we're seeing some different contests. and on the democratic side, as you mentioned, the democratic race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders is neck and neck in iowa. bernie sanders actually has kind of a sizable lead in new hampshire. and on the republican side, donald trump has now had a lead in iowa in five out of the last six polls in the hawkeye state. but today's newest quinnipiac poll has donald trump with just a two-point lead over ted cruz. so, you know, national polls are one thing, but what ends up happening in iowa and new hampshire over the next two weeks will fundamentally change a lot of those national polls. >> and for people who don't live
in the great state of iowa, they're not seeing all the ads nonstop on television. what's the spending been like? you just got new numbers about spending in iowa. >> it has been a tremendous amount of money, $70 million has been spent on the airwaves in iowa alone, in that one state. and the biggest spender so far as have been jeb bush's super pac, which has spent about $15 million. coming in next is marco rubio at nearly $12 million. on the democratic side, you have hillary clinton at more than $9 million and bernie sanders at about $7.5 million. as my colleague, carrie dan put it, kate, you could buy a picasso painting from his blue period for about that $70 million that has been spent over the airwaves in tv ads in iowa. >> and some might argue that that would be money better spent. >> maybe so. >> mark murray, thanks so much. meanwhile, donald trump picking up key endorsements today ahead of the iowa caucuses. the president of the evangelical liberty university, jerry
falwell jr., endorsing trump today. also, trump's campaign now confirming just within the last hour that arizona sheriff maricopa county sheriff, joe arpaio, will announce his backing of trump at an event tonight in iowa. nbc's katy tur, who's covering the donald trump campaign, joins me now by phone in transit. katy, this latest endorsement is an interesting one. this is the sheriff who's known for making remarks that are sometimes considered racial profiling. he's known for dressing up latino immigrants and parading them -- prisoners, parading them out in public. this is a guy now who donald trump is going to praise tonight? >> reporter: yeah, and this should not come as a surprise. sheriff arpaio has appeared with donald trump now at two rallies and one in phoenix, arizona, one just outside of phoenix, mesa, arizona. he has been a big supporter of donald trump's immigration policy and donald trump has said he's been a bigger supporter of
arpaio's hardline, anti-immigration policies in the state of arizona. he's very popular with people out there, who feel like the state is becoming overrun with illegal immigrants. obviously, very controversial out there, as well. he's seen by some folks as being -- there's not really a word to describe it, but controversial is probably the nicest way of putting it. he's going to be here tonight in marshalltown with donald trump. he also got the endorsement, as you mentioned, from jerry falwell jr. and that is the one i think is going to play a little bit more here in iowa than sheriff arpaio. the campaign is looking to take any sort of evangelical support they can away from ted cruz right now, even if it's just a little bit. if they get a little bit of support away from ted cruz could put them over the age in this state, especially since they are leading so much with moderate voters. so this jerry falwell jr.
endorsement, it may not be as huge deal to most iowans, but it could be enough to put him over the edge. >> katy, do you sense that both of these are to try to take away from ted cruz's argument that donald trump is really a liberal in conservative clothing? >> i think ted cruz is right to say donald trump is a liberal, and his past pro-abortion stances, his past donations to liberals, like hillary clinton, saying that if he supported them in the past, he's a secret liberal at heart. but i think when it comes to immigration, he has been pretty consistent with his anti-immigration policies from the start. and this joseph arpaio endorsement is something that proves that. when it comes to his evangelicalism, i think there's more questions involved there. i think when you look at donald trump's past with christianity, he said that he was a, you know, a dedicated church goer, went to a presbyterian church in new
york pretty frequently, but that church said he was not a frequent church goer. he also mispronounced the biblical, "2 corinthians," second corinthians, he pronounced it "2 corinthians" the other day. when asked if he's ever repented, he's said he's never had the to repent. so i think there are more questions surrounding donald trump on things like christianity, than on immigration. so i think this jerry falwell endorsement could help him. but most of these voters are not one-issue voters. they believe they have a lot of other concerns on their minds and they're not just going to vote along the lines of who they believe is the best christian. >> katy tur out with donald trump in iowa. katy, thanks so much. >> reporter: thank you. meantime, senator ted cruz doing everything he can to push back in iowa. he has former governor rick perry at his side for a little help today. nbc's hallie jackson is out with the cruz campaign.
hallie, let's start there. rick perry, he was running against ted cruz just a few months ago. now he's on the ground, helping him out. >> reporter: you know governor perry wanted to be the position that ted cruz is in himself at this point in january. coming out ahead of the iowa caucuses, making his play, pleading for himself, one might imagine, and that's the question i asked the governor earlier today. i said, it's got to be a little bittersweet for you being out here. and governor perry said, listen, this is his third cycle, spending time in iowa. he said he's thrilled to be here, pushing hard for ted cruz. he believes he's the one person in this race who can coalesce enough conservatives around him to win the nomination and go on to win the general election. here's a little bit from our conversation. i asked him about donald trump and how his endorsement of ted cruz and support of senator cruz might play out. listen. >> what i'm not okay with is choosing someone what doesn't reflect the values of the people of iowa. >> reporter: somebody like a donald trump, for instance? >> i think donald trump's values
are really questionable. i mean, when you see a video where he talks about the issues that he was for in 1999, whether it was an assault weapons ban, whether it was for partial birth abortion, and now running for president, he's 180 degrees. >> reporter: so governor rick perry there, talking a little bit about why he's been out on the campaign trail today with senator cruz. he'll be out tomorrow as well. you know, you really nailed it, kate, with that question about sheriff arpaio and jerry falwell jr., intended to really shore up donald trump to the right of ted cruz when it comes to immigration and with evangelical and these christian conservative voters, that said, senator cruz is previewing his own endorsement, set to come out latter tonight. even as there's a bit of a twitter war going on between donald trump and another cruz endorser, influential iowa evangelical, bob vander plaats. you've seen the two of them go at it online a little bit today. i can tell you, kate, i just got off the phone with vander
plaats, and he told me, these attacks from donald trump in hi view show that donald trump is concerned, that trump tries to discredit people who don't agree with him. vander plaats says he's still friends with trump, he will maintain that friendship, but he told me that friendship does not come with strings. so now you're seeing not just the trump/cruz battle play out, but the trump/cruz surrogates' battle play out. so as this race goes along, and it looks like it will go along for several more weeks, obviously, if not months, i think you'll see that play out more, too. >> hallie jackson out in iowa with the cruz campaign, thanks so much. for more on the candidates' final pitches in iowa, i want to bring in msnbc political correspondent, steve kornacki. steve? >> you're hearing it in all of those reports right there. here we are, less than a week away from iowa, neck and neck with ted cruz and donald trump, and really the battleground within the battleground here is over evangelical voters. they are going to make up more than half, basically 60% of the republican electorate next monday night out there in iowa.
the interesting thing here is, donald trump has sustained quite a bit of support with evangelicals right up until this moment. it's something a lot of people didn't see coming. that's the real significance here. obviously, of that jerry falwell jr. endorsement earlier today. does that buttress donald trump a little bit with evangelicals? obviously, interesting to see from hallie's report there who ted cruz brings out tonight, but this is something we've seen in our national polling as well. evangelicals over the last month, moving a little bit away from ted cruz and toward donald trump. a lot of people wonder, why that is. it seems that evangelicals are sending a message here that it's not about look for somebody who literally shares their devotion to their faith, to theology, they're looking for somebody and donald trump's message to them seems to be, look, i'm a tough guy, i think you guys are the good guys and i'm going to protect you. how is ted cruz countering this? there's one other way he's countering it, sort of a warning right now to evangelical leaders out there in iowa, a week before the caucuses, telling them, if uh yo don't stop trump here,
there's no stopping him. let's play that. >> i will say right now between donald and me, this is neck and neck. it is an absolute dead heat. and if donald wins iowa, he right now has a substantial lead in new hampshire. if he went on to win new hampshire as well, there's a very good chance he could be unstoppable and be our -- >> so, kate, this is a really interesting strategy, what you're hearing there from ted cruz. he's looking at evangelical voters who kind of like him, who kind of like donald trump, who may be are leaning to donald trump right now, and he's basically telling them, if you're at all conflicted, don't go for trump, because there's no taking it back. if he gets out of iowa with a win, he gets the nomination. an interesting message from cruz in the home stretch. >> indeed. steve kornacki, thanks so much. coming up, how iowa businesses cash in on the caucuses. plus, the impact of all those ad dollars in the state. what if one piece of kale
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i think part of the contrast here is which one of these people have a history of getting things done that actually make a difference in people's lives. hillary clinton is known for a couple of decades for fighting hard for children. i think the real issue that people in iowa and new hampshire and the rest of the country are going to be deciding now is which one of these people can make a real difference in my life now? i think there's a real difference between these candidates in terms of how they're approaching the issues, and which one will really have an impact on people's lives in the near term. >> that was hillary clinton's chief strategist, joel benneson
last hour, on a bullish prediction on his candidate's performance in the iowa caucuses, just six days from now. it's a state that place a unique role in our presidential politics and our country. in addition to kicking off the presidential primary process every four years, iowa produces more corn than any other state. more than most countries, in fact. and its corn production largely depends on latino laborers, many of whom are immigrants. joining me now is harper's magazine richard manning. "the trouble with iowa" is the headline. richard, thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> you take a deep dive, if you will, into iowa's role in our country's politics. you cover everything from the iowa state fair to the pizza ranch, which is a chain of pizza places, where everybody has to make a pilgrimage and go be seen at the pizza ranch. is it a bad thing that every four years we focus in on iowa? >> it's not really. in fact, we could do a lot of good by focusing in on iowa.
unfortunately, we don't address the issues that really matter to most americans. we are what we eat. and that's what i try to remind people in the story. and iowa really is raising that food and it's done by industrial agriculture and affecting our health, but a lot of other issues that matter to us, deeply. and what i found was that nobody talks about that, as part of the campaign, when we should be talking about that. >> but you would think that they would, because it's iowa, it's corn country, you would think that would be top, you know, foremost for the candidates to talk about. >> yeah, but we tend to deal with a mythology of farming more than the actual facts of farming, and the way it's done today. and we're not ready to admit that we have so thoroughly industrialized agriculture now, that it looks like a factory. and that really doesn't -- that doesn't jive with the kind of images that the candidates like to project, so they just assume leave those issues alone. >> let me ask about immigration and the role that that plays in
the debate, in iowa. why do you think in at least some quarters, there does appear to be an anti-immigrant sentiment in that state? >> it's in most quarters. and i saw it, it's very strange to hear people talking about immigration. i started there six months ago, by going to a trump rally. and when he spoke of immigration, i said, there's no way this issue will last. well, it has lasted, and it's lasted in iowa, where they're wholly dependent on immigrants, to do the processing, not just of the corn, but especially of the livestock, mostly hogs. and the jobs we don't want to do. and it's kind of the dirty little secret. but what goes on in iowa is what goes on around the rest of the country, as we've segregated those communities, off into forgotten corners. those forgotten corners are all over iowa, corners of hispanic people who work in the slaughterhouses and do the work that they need done. >> and when you go to visit them, who are they supporting? >> you know, i try to do that. and i tried to engage hispanic
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for example, experienced severe flooding from that storm. last night at a town hall up in new hampshire, christie was asked why he left new jersey after the storm to campaign and here was his response. >> well, because it's already done. it's already done. >> okay. >> well -- >> well, tell me why you think it isn't. >> i have friends and family calling, sending me pictures -- >> where? >> -- all over the state. >> all over the state? >> -- of flooding. >> all over the state? really? there's been one county that's flooded in the state. one county. second, i don't know what you expect me to do? do you want me to go down there with a mop? >> earlier today, the governor was asked if his "mop" comment was a step too far. >> it was a joke -- charlie, it was -- charlie, i -- charlie, i -- believe me, i've been hearing your questions for so long that -- because, i know what the question is. no, it was a joke. so, no, i don't think so. it was -- it was a joke,
charlie. >> msnbc's jacob rascon is in west wildwood, new jersey. jacob, tell us how the politics is playing and also how the recovery is the going. >> reporter: it's not going -- well, the recovery is actually, it's going. the water finally went away. it stuck around, actually, for a couple of days. it was chest-high here, at one point. and now they've gotten rid of a lot of the mud, they've gotten rid of some of the docks that had floated on to people's driveways and boats that had floated on to people's driveways and in their garages. so now what they really immediate is money. but that comment from governor chris christie isn't playing well, as you can imagine, here in west wildwood. but it's the latest in a series of comments he's made over the last few days, that they dodged a bullet, for example, in new jersey, or that the flooding was only very minor, and the disconnect may be, kate, that during superstorm sandy, the north of the shore was hit hardest and not the south, so here, they have what they call a sandy mark. they still got it bad, and it's
a line that some of them physically draw in their garage or whatever the water went up during sandy. this, for them, was a lot worse. the entire town surrounded by water. so they say it's worse than sandy, and governor christie doesn't like to hear that. so when he says his comments about, oh, let's bring a mop, or, oh, it was not very bad, the residents here take exception. here's what one of them said to us earlier today. >> he should get down here and just take a look. so then he'll know what he's talking about. he's not in touch with what's going on. i lost my truck, too, back here, and i just called my insurance agent for the truck and i was just telling her about what christie was saying, and she said, yeah, i know, it's making me sick to my stomach. that's how everybody's feeling. for him to say, "what do you want me to do, come down with a mop?" really? you're going to need a lot more than a mop. >> reporter: the mayor tells us here that the damages, overall, are likely in the millions of dollars, maybe even $5 million
to $10 million. they simply don't have the money to, for example, fix the seawall that they have that broke and crumbled. so really, what they're looking for now is some aid, kate. >> jacob rascon. and jacob is in west wildwood, new jersey. meanwhile, governor christie had some tough words for the mayor of north wildwood, new jersey, after he compared the blizzard damage in that town to hurricane sandy. here's governor christie last night talking about that mayor in new hampshire. >> i heard some people actually, you know, compare it to sandy. i heard one crazy mayor down in south jersey say, this is worse flooding than sandy. here's the one thing you need to know about that mayor. his town didn't get hit by sandy. so, of course it's worse than sandy for him! he's down in north wildwood, which is south of atlantic city, for those of you who do not have a master's in new jersey geography, as i do. he's south of atlantic city, the
storm comes in on atlantic city, and the hurricane tail's whipping north. so if you're south of where it came onshore, you're in good shape. so he makes the incredible statement, it's worse than sandy. well, damn, man, you didn't get any flooding in sandy. so if you got a foot of flooding, it would be worse than sandy. so you've got to put all this stuff in perspective. >> so let's talk to the man now who was the subject of that comment by the governor, the mayor of north wildwood, new jersey, patrick rosenelo joins us now. mr. mayor, thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me on. >> you're a fellow republican. you heard your governor call you a crazy mayor. when you first heard the comments last night, you thought what? >> i was -- i was disappointed. i've nen governor christie for about seven years. i campaigned for him in both of his gubernatorial elections. he's met my children, he's met my wife, i've met his wife and his children. i was incredibly disappointed. i was taken aback.
you know, there's a lot of things that happen in government, in politics, and i think that his comments went too far. and he acknowledged that. he called me this morning. he apologized. i accepted that apology. you know, but we still have issues down here that we have to deal with. >> he was asked just recently, this afternoon at a preference, if he wanted to apologize or walk back his "mop" comment. he said it was just a joke. how do you feel about it? >> you know, the entire weekend down here has been very difficult. jacob was explaining how we deal with -- we dealt with sandy down here, the rmpeferences to sandy and the miscommunication that we were in some way or shape or form comparing what we experienced for what happened in north jersey. no one was doing that. we have incredible empathy for the people in north jersey and what they went through. the people down here in cape may county, north wildwood, west wildwood, we went through an extremely traumatic experience in sandy and we went through an extremely traumatic experience this past weekend. so to hear people downplaying
that and talking about it in a manner that didn't really empathize with what was happening to our residents and our business owners, it was disturbing. and it concerns me, it still concerns me. you know, i think we are back on a more positive track now. we had our u.s. senators and congressman down here today. their lieutenant governor, i believe, is coming back down here tomorrow. so i think we're moving in a positive direction. and that's what we need to be doing here, is caring for our residents and business owners and getting our shore protection measures back in place. >> i was going to ask you whether you've seen members of the state government, the governor's office, the lieutenant governor, have they been around today? and if they are, what are you telling them you need as far as state support? >> i was in contact with the governor's office and state agencies throughout the event saturday, sunday, the lieutenant governor, the commissioner of the dep were here yesterday with members of the army core of engineers. they've seen a lot of the damage. the towns are submitting their preliminary damage assessments today.
they were due to the county emergency management. north wildwood's preliminary damage came in at about $13.5 million. and so, you know, we are a small community with small year-round populations. we need our state government and if it gets to that level, our federal government, to help us out with some of these shore protection measures and some of this cleanup. >> mayor patrick rosenello, north wildwood, new jersey, all the best to you. thanks for being with us. >> thank you very much. >> right now, hillary clinton is speaking in decorah, iowa, encouraging people to caucus on monday. let's take a moment and listen in. >> recouping that lost family wealth. homes and 401(k)s and i.r.a.s and everything else people had to dig in and use to just stay afloat. so the job of the next president, assuming it's a democratic president. will be to build on what we have achieved, but go much further. and that's where i want to tell you what i think we need to do.
we've got to create more good-paying jobs in america. we don't have enough that will support a middle class life and give people ladders of opportunity to go as far as their hard work, talent, and ambition will take them. we need more infrastructure jobs. our roads, our bridges, our tunnels, our ports, our airports, our rail systems are woefully, not only underfunded, we have them collapsing. we have them breaking down, we have, in new york, i can tell you, sewer systems and water systems leaking and, literally, blowing up. we've got work to do in this country and it is work that has to be done here. the jobs can't be exported. you bring them right here, you do them, you build america, you make us more competitive. and we have to change the tax
code to provide incentives to bring jobs for advanced manufacturing here, not sent overseas. and if we do that, we can also begin to grow the economy. and you know where i have seen a lot of that work, that i think is the beginning of accomplishing that going on is right here in iowa. i have been at a number of your community colleges and i really commend the people of iowa. i was at blackhawk community college, which has a partnership with northern iowa university. they have the biggest 3-d printer in north america. they are preparing people, both young and folks coming back, to get a new set of skills. preparing people to be able to do the work of tomorrow. now we need a partnership, between the federal, state, and local government, between the private sector and academic institutions. because we have the greatest opportunity to once again take
our place at the forefront of advanced manufacturing. we also have a great opportunity when it comes to combatting climate change. there are millions of new jobs and businesses and moving from fossil fuels to clean, renewable energy, and the republicans refuse either to accept climate change or the opportunities we have to grow our economy and put more people to work, actually taking it on. so, i'll tell you, every time i hear one of the republicans ask, what do you think of climate change, and the response is usually, well, i don't know, i'm not a scientist. honestly, the quickest answer to that is, go talk to one! go to luther college. you'll find people who can explain climate change to you and tell you what's going on in the world! but what really upsets me is, not just their denial, which,
honestly, i don't know whether it's -- well, i do know. it's not really ignorance, it's just opportunism. it's just playing to their, you know, financial puppeteers that they keep saying things that they know aren't factual. that's bad enough. what's equally bad is they are missing the opportunity we have to transform our economy. and when i tell people this, sometimes in audiences like this, i'll notice some faces have skepticism. not here in decorah, but in some places, people are looking a little skeptical. and i'll say, you know why i know we can do this? because iowa is on the way to doing this. you are already getting one third of your electricity to renewable sources, predominantly wind. and you are already -- you are already employing 7,000 people
in the wind industry. and when i was at the des moines area community college with tom vilsack, your former governor, my friend, the secretary of agriculture, who's endorsed me, and with whom i have worked closely, we were talking to some of the instructors who are teaching machining and tool and die and all of the pieces of industrial production that you think may be, well, that's kind of old-fashioned, not at all. in fact, they told me, there are 8,800 parts in a wind turbine. and they are training people to make those parts, assemble those parts, repair those parts. and the president told me they had 130 requests from businesses for people who were finishing these courses. they only had credentials for 35. think of the jobs. so i've set some big goals. i want us to deploy 500,000,000
more energy panels by the end of my first term and we can do this if we get our minds set to do it. i also feel strongly and it's because my dad was a really small business man, we've got to clear the way for small businesses. there are so many opportunities here and one thing i hear from a lot of the young people, who come to my events, with whom i have conversations, they want to be entrepreneurs. they want to start small businesses. and i want you to be able to do that. but we're going to have to put more effort into making sure you get the credit and you don't face all the obstacles people are today, because it's actually easier to start a small business in canada, france, or south korea, today than it is in the united states. >> you've been listening to hillary clinton speaking in decorah, iowa. an event trying to get out the vote for the caucuses, just six days from now. as flint, michigan, residents are lining up at an elementary school right now, to have their children's lead levels tested, one of the biggest questions hanging over the city is how to fix the
problem of the corroded water lines. and joining me now, nbc's stephanie gosk, who's been in flint, literally looking into the pipes, talking to people about what is or what is not going on. this is such a huge issue, stephanie. this issue of the actual infrastructure and the pipes that have already corroded. how do they, how do they replace them, how do they make them better? >> reporter: there seems to be a difference of opinion. we've spoken to a number of experts who have said that all of the lead pipes need to be ripped out of this city, which is an incredible undertaking, which i'll get to in a moment. but right now we're being told by the governor's office that the plan underway is to rely on the chemicals being used right now to treat the water, to create a protective film on the lead pipes that are in place. now, as you can probably imagine, that makes a lot of people in this city uneasy. now, we spent the day, we talked to city water officials at the water department. we also spoke with a group of plumbers. a union of plumbers here and they tell us that right now,
there are currently no lead pipes being replaced in this city. now, when that effort starts, if it does, there are as many as 25,000 of these service pipes that lead from the mains and the road to people's homes. and the problem with those is, they're not even really sure exactly where all of them are. it's a huge undertaking. on top of that, homeowners have their own responsibility. that could number in the thousands of dollars. kate? >> all right. stephanie gosk out in flint, michigan. again, stephanie, thanks so much. and we've been bringing you the story of the flint water crisis on this broadcast for weeks now, but it is safe to say that few of us might have heard about this environmental and now health disaster if it weren't for msnbc's rachel maddow. earlier today, i had a chance to sit down with rachel. i began by asking her how she first heard about the situation in flint. >> we had been covering the emergency manager issue in michigan for years now. michigan has this totally unique, totally radical system
of governance, in which the governor can come in and say, your local elections no longer matter, we're putting in an emergency manager. >> if they're in fiscal difficult. >> if the governor says they're in fiscal difficulty. it is a remarkable democratic experiment they've been doing in michigan and i think it's real radical. we've covered other things that have been a consequence and happened around that form of governance. and this was kind of the next one. we'd been monitoring basically michigan media coverage and michigan activists to see what was going on. and when people started screaming bloody murder in flint, it took us a while to figure out exactly what was going on, but by the time we did, by the time we realized it wasn't just bad water, it was lead in the water, it was clear to me it was a national story, not just a local one. >> december 15th was your first broadcast when you said, this is something that they'll need national help for, this is a national story. >> yeah. >> you've achieved that, in a way. i think people would point to
your coverage as a catalyst to get other people in the nation interested. >> all credit to the people of flint for telling their story and getting their local media interested. the reason we know about it was because of the local media. from the "detroit free press" to the local stations, they really have done good work. but the national aspect of this is the fact that this isn't just something bad that happened to an american city over time because of neglect and old the infrastructure and blah, blah, blah. this was a policy decision made by a state government to do a thing that poisoned people and arguably rendered a city of 100,000 americans uninhabitable. that's very unique. sorry. >> absolutely unique. as you sit here now and you look at all the evidence that we have to date of where things went wrong, you know, who's to blame, kind of question, do you have a better sense now for how it all broke down? >> yes. yes. i mean, the thing that has frustrated me, part of the reason we're going to flint this week, this far into the story, is because the governor, as recently as this week, kept
saying it was local official who is did this. it really wasn't local officials who did this. that's a big part of the story. and so that aspect of the accountability being misdirected is still very frustrating to me. and that's important. >> he's been talking about bureaucrats, right? he's been talking about people who are scientists, who are in his employ, but he didn't necessarily know these people, who didn't scream and didn't raise their hands and say, there's a lead issue. >> yes, he's saying the people who worked for him, people in the snyder administration, screwed up and he says, that's because they have a culture of government, okay. but, you know, he has to figure -- the accountability within his own administration is something he has to figure out. the idea, though, that flint did this to themselves in some way, that is wrong. that is absolutely 100% wrong and that is the way that oa lot of this story is being told nationwide, because they're still trying to sell it that way to deflect blame from themselves and that's unacceptable. >> what about the epa and the federal government? last week, an epa official resigned. >> the epa is divided in terms
of their bureaucratic responsibilities, and they cover multiple states, and the regional director that covers michigan is out, which is a big head to roll in this. and appropriately so. the epa had the right standards in place here, sort of knew that something was wrong, and there was one particular epa employee who basically lit his hair on fire and let people know there was something really wrong. but the epa at that regional level, at that sort of high level, slow-walked and it didn't act with -- act legally, acted legally, but did -- >> within the rules. yes, within the rules, but not by a way that was warranted within the situation. and that's why gena mccarthy fired her. they didn't cause this problem, but they could have stopped it quicker. >> the biggest question is the pipes, right? because they're corroded now. how do they fix this? do they have to tear out every old pipe in flint and put in new water pipes? >> maybe. that's why i still shake with rage occasionally when i talk about this story. because the fix is so much
bigger than what's happening. and you see this heartwarming stuff about people donating water from all over the country and celebrities and churches and bottles -- bottles of water. bringing bottles of water. and flint is, you know, stacked up like a pyramid in terms of bottles of water. but it is not sustainable to have people cooking, drinking, washing with tiny plastic bottles of water. that's not a sustainable solution. you can't do that. and as long as that's what you're asking people to do, it is inevitable that there's continuing lead exposure in flint, because it's not realistic to expect everybody to have every drop of water they come in contact with be out of a bottle, memory one. so what is the fix? this corrosive water that came through the pipes corroded the water in a way that cannot be fixed by just changing the water source back over to the safer one. >> what they did, right? for people who don't know, they changed back to the safe water, but still going through the corroded pipes. >> it's still going through the corroded pipes, there is still leaching from what's inside the pipe, including lead and copper and other things, because of the damage that was done. and so, this is the big -- this is why this is a national
disaster. this may not just be the mass lead poisoning of an american city. this may be a policy decision made by a state government that essentially rendered a city of 100,000 people uninhabitable. if every water line in that city needs to be torn up and replaced and every house needs to be replr replumbed and every appliance that is plumbed in terms of water heats and everything in every house needs to be replaced -- it's going to get done, because the people of flint are going to be done right by in this instance. but the magnitude of the fix is the not getting donated pallets of water. the magnitude of the fix here is transforming that city. and it means backhoes, it doesn't mean trucks full of water. >> my conversation with rachel maddow. and you should tune into "an american disaster: the crisis in flint." that's going to be tomorrow night at 9:00 eastern/6:00 pacific, only here on msnbc. coming up, president obama orders the end to solitary confinement for juvenile
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the supreme court on monday ruled that juveniles sentenced to mandatory life in prison terms for murder must have a chance to challenge that punishment. in 2012, the court said that life sentences without the possibility of parole for juvenile murderers were unconstitutional. well, monday's decision expands that ruling, by making it retroactive. let's turn to nbc news justice
correspondent, pete williams, for more. pete, so explain how this decision came yesterday. >> it was one of a series of decisions from the supreme court about whether these sentences for juveniles violate the eighth amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishment and what the court has been saying is, juveniles are different, their brains aren't fully formed. they have to have a chance to bring these factors about their youth into their sentencing. so the supreme court over time has done away, declared unconstitutional, life sentences for non-homicide offenses, then the decision you talked about, about life without parole, going forward for juveniles. this decision this week said this was retroactive. what that means, about a thousand juveniles who are in the nation's prisons can now challenge their confinement. these are all people who were murder defendants, found guilty, and sentenced to life without the possibility of parole. so they could either ask for a new sentence or the supreme court said they can just ask to get parole. either way would satisfy the supreme court's decision here. >> and separately from the
court, the president taking some action, saying he doesn't want kids or young people in solitary confinement anymore. >> in the federal prisons. and i think the president's hope here is that this policy will encourage states to adopt the same rule. in fact, the number of juveniles in federal prisons is quite small. it's about 50 and none of them are actually in federal correctional facilities. they are housed in state prisons, under contracts with the various states. so as a result of this directive, those states now must take any juveniles they have out of solitary confinement, but the hope, i think, of the administration is, and this was part of a much larger program to deal with solitary confinement. the hope is that this will encourage the states to use it much less. what the government has found here is that when you put people in solitary confinement, it makes it much harder to integrate into society after
they've served their sentences. plus, the president said, it's just very -- it's psychologically hard on people, and so he wants to discourage the use of and it the federal government has announced a series of steps in the federal prisons themselves to reduce and cut back on it, when you use it, for shorter periods of time, have ways to get back into the general population and so forth. >> pete williams, always good to see you. thank you. >> my pleasure. now here's hampton pearson with a cnbc market wrap. hampton? >> hi, kate. we had markets rallying today. the dow up by 282 points. the s&p climbing to 27 points, the nasdaq adding 49 on thes as well. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide. ways discreer and move, groove, wiggle, giggle, swerve, curve. lift, shift, ride, glide, hit your stride. only always discreet underwear has soft dual leak guard barriers to help stop leaks where they happen most and a discreet fit that hugs your curves, you barely feel it. always discreet underwear
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before the break, we were talking about those major unemployments from the president and from the u.s. supreme court yesterday. those have been hailed as a victory by people seeking prison reform. glenn martin is the founder and president of just leadership usa, a group dedicated to reducing the u.s. prison population. he also spent six years behind bars in new york state prisons. glenn, your reaction, first of all, to these -- both of these things happening, coincidentally, at the same time. >> you know, we have a president that continues to bang away at these issues, based on their values. he recognizes that in a country where we have 2.3 million people in prison, 95% of which come home at some point, this is really about strengthening communities and having people be able to serve their time with dignity. so his approach to ending mass incarceration, we believe, is rooted in those values. >> in terms of solitary confinement, specifically, saying that juveniles shouldn't be kept in solitary confinement.
>> while it won't impact many juveniles who are in the federal system, i think it's a message to governors and mayors around the country who have people incarcerated in their state prisons and local jails that we need to do something different. that the evidence tells us that the human brain is not fully developed until the age of 24 and that sort of solitary confinement can have huge detrimental impact on the development of the human brain. >> criminal justice reform, obviously, has been a big issue for this president. he's visited federal prisons, he's encouraged states to make changes, ten states last year announced changes, reducing the number of people in jail. he changed the way the federal government asks applicants for jobs and won't allow them anymore to ask about their criminal record. do you worry about what happens if it's not a democrat in the white house starting next year? >> i actually don't and i'll tell you why. a lot of people don't realize it was george bush who talked about this issue during the state of the union address back in 2004 and then urged congress to do something, which created the second chance act. which funded reentry programs all across the country, recognizing that over 630,000
people exit our prisons each care year. and obama came along and built on top of that. so i'm pretty confident no matter who ends up in office, we'll see someone build on top of the momentum that president obama has created. >> you can see a donald trump or a ted cruz continuing with some of these reforms? >> you know, this is an issue that affects both conservatives and progressives alike. conservatives tend to focus on the cost of running our prison system, over $80 billion to run our prisons each year in this country, and two-thirds of people go back. i can't think of any other industry that would operate with that failure rate and continue to operate. >> just quickly, if you could think of one reform, in the remaining months in office that the president has, what's left? what do you -- what's the next thing you want to see happen? >> i've had a tremendous amount of access to the department of justice, even as someone directly impacted, who has served time. what i'm hearing, we're going to hear a number of other reforms. and i think it really is about finding more and more ways to have people be able to serve their time, maintain their dignity, and not serve their time in inhumane conditions. >> glenn martin, thank you so much for your time today.
your perspective. appreciate it. >> thank you. that's going to do it for this hour of msnbc live. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" begins right now. if it's tuesday, the people want more debates, so let's give the people what they want. new hampshire, next thursday, prime-time, the "union leader" will host it for the democrats, msnbc will televise, rachel and yours truly will moderate it. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. six days, every hour feels like a day these days. good evening and welcome to "mtp daily." we are happy to kick things off tonight with some potentially big news in response to growing calls from voters in new hampshire, especially from some democratic leaders, for more opportunity to hear from the two democratic candidates. the new sh