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be unstoppable. >> trouting out a slew of endorsements and pulling evangelicals away from ted cruz. then republicans for bernie. >> is iowa really want wall street in the white house? >> are big conservative donors trying to help bernie sanders. >> they throw all this stuff at me and i'm still standing. >> i heard one crazy mayor that said this is worse flooding than sandy. >> what sarah palin doesn't want you to know about her super pac. >> funny, haha not funny. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. it's a move guaranteed to bring him wall to wall coverage in the final days leading up to iowa.
donald trump threatened to follow through on his boycott of fox news debate. delivering an epic rant against megyn kelly. that came at the end of a busy day that saw trump pick up meaningful endorsements. he called president obama's birth certificate a fraudulent, forged document. >> i'm here to endorse a great patriot. it's easy to endorse him. he's going to do it when he becomes president. >> former major league pitcher john rocker said he's supporting trump for president saying i think he has really woken america up. he spent most of his career with
the atlanta braves told sports illustrated in 1999 he would rather retire than play for a new york team. imagine having to take the number 7 train to the ballpark liking like you're riding through beirut next to some kid with purple hair next to some queer with aids right next to a 20-year-old mom with four kids. it's depressing. a trump endorsement from liberty university president jerry fallwell junior. it might seem odd for him to endorse immaterial, it wasn't completely unforeseen. he was profusive in his phrase comparing donald to martin
luther king and jesus. the real impact is a blow to ted cruz, trump's main rival. cruz launched his campaign at liberty university with jerry fallwell. >> roughly half of born again christians aren't voting. they're staying home. imagine instead millions of people of faith all across america coming out to the polls and voting our values. >> today of all days the new york times published a feature on that subject. if there's any state where they could be decisive, iowa is it. that's what ted cruz is banking on trying to seal the deal by invoking the social issues that motivated them in the past.
>> if you want a president who will stand for life. if you want a president who will stand for marriage. if you want a president who will stand for religious liberty, the question all of us need to ask is who has a record standing for life, standing for marriage, standing for religion liberty. >> the cruz campaign have been trying to drive a wedge hitting him with some pretty effective attack ads on
abortion. >> i lived in new york city all my life. >> they are different like on abortion. >> would president trump ban partial birth abortion. >> i'm pro-choice in every respect. >> it's not clear how many evangelicals care about the issues targeted by their elite leaders. trump is right now beating cruz by a wide margin among white
evangelical republicans. something similar is going on
with health care policy where cruz is trying to paint trump as a big government liberal. trump called for the government to negotiate prices. >> drugs with medicare, they don't get them out. they pay like this wholesale incredible number. they say like 300 billion could be saved if we bid them out. we don't do it. why? because they're the drug companies. >> the cruz campaign pounced almost immediately saying it's not surprising that he thinks the government can set pricing for drugs. the problem is that when government interferes in the market especially the health care market. the result is always the same. high price, lower quality, less choice and fewer innovations that will cost lives. most members of cruz's party don't agree with him.
an august survey, 74% of republicans say the government should be able to negotiate with drug companies to keep prices down. joining me now, charlie pierce. michael, let me start with you. >> that last thing is a perfect window into the what trump has been exploiting from the get-go is the distance between the republican elites and what they believe and what they think the base believes and what the base really does believe. you have a great piece called trumpism without trump. i've been waiting for candidate to deliver a shock. something that will force them to reconnect to the actual material interest of their voters. unfortunately, the candidate espousing those views is donald trump. >> yeah. it's happening again. there was a reporter in 1996 who was saying i was waiting for the fortunate 500 to say it's the
enemy and it's you. republicans have the midwestern voters and voters throughout the appalachian kind of ghetto that runs into the ozarks into new york. they have never been on the side of free market capitalism. they feel this endangers the interest. s these are people that benefit from specific programs and sometimes rely on them month to month to make the bills or feed their family. economic conservativism is a threat to them. >> and give them nothing. they have become fairly reliable republicans for cultural republicans and charlie pierce, here comes donald trump who is going we're going to build a
wall, keep immigrants out, negotiate tougher trade deals. whatever you want you white republican voter who hates the establishment. they still can't make sense of the gap he is exploiting. >> yeah. i'm a little bit alarmed. there seems to be a creeping element of coherence to the trump message all of a sudden. used to be it was throwing out any idea that came to his head. the mental radio of donald trump has been on scan for a while and finally found station. it has wrong footed everyone he's running against. i'm old enough to remember when there was a republican consensus on things like medicare and social security. it was called the 1950s and '60s before the republican party moved south and west and the
conservative movement took over and blew up those consensus. it's possible that one might come back that the consensus might be reestablished. i agree with michael in the sense i don't think donald trump is in it for that particular reason. if it happens with him at the head, it happens largely accidentally. chris, he's not saying we're going to do this. his entire message is i'm donald trump. you're not and neither are those losers. i'm going to do this. >> it is a kind of cultural naturalism. i think a ethic and racial naturalism. it's a kind of white naturalism. here he is taking on every pillar institution of republican party including fox news. now he's saying i'm not going to go on a fox news debate on thursday escalating the feud. here he is a few moments ago talking about fox. >> i'm not a fan of megyn kelly. i think they can do a lot better than her.
they can toy with me like they toy with everybody else. let them have their debate. let's see how they do with the ratings. i said bye bye. >> to me it's the same play here as it was with jeb bush as with the republican establishment. it's i know your base better than you do. you've been building politics up around this alpha personality. i can out bully everyone. >> his reach is to much deeper. he's known as this personality from the tabloids from the '80s and '90s. he's known from the television show. it had millions more viewers than national review had subscribers. whatever you want to say about america, that is just the case. the conservative movement has,
in a sense, like reached out to the heart land and said give us your money through direct mail and we'll take care of the country for you. the result of all that effort has been so unsatisfying. >> that's right. this is it. it's this moment where it's like what have you gotten is basically the pitch. it's a story about decline and how terrible barack obama is but it's also a story about what have you got? you, the person that's listening to me? were any of these things delivered to you. >> i think that's exactly right. you've been hearing this for the last couple of election cycles from the very conservative parts of the republican party. now it's becoming a little more general. in a certain mad way, i was thinking about this the other day. in a certain mad way, donald trump is the only republican candidate, right now, pitching an optimistic view of the united states. >> which is that there there is him. >> you're right.
we have all these problems but i will fix them all. the rest of them are all saying we're sliding into this and unless you elect me, the slide will accelerate. he's saying i have the answers. i do think there's an element of mad optimism to what he's pitching. >> the campaign manager said mr. trump will not be participating. does he show up on thursday or not? >> i'm going to believe it when i look and he's not up there. >> michael. >> he'll be there. >> all right. interesting. thanks to you both. still to come. who would establishment republican rather face in the general election? what would it take to get donald trump on the republican convention station as the 2016 nominee. later, chris christie
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one of the things we've tried to show time and time again on "all in" is a big portion of the conservativism is a con and the true believers are the marks. for example, earlier this month we questioned ben carson's finance director whether expenditures in that campaign amounted to a grift considering how much of campaign money goes into the pockets of campaign consultants hired to raise more money. that finance director resigned a week after we pressed him on the details. there's new revolutions about this politico. >> as long as the politicos, they get to keep their titles and their perks and media ratings, they don't really care who wins elections.
how about the rest of us? right winging bitter clinging proud clingers of our gun, our god and our religions. >> the daily beast exposed a piece showing how much they are spending on consultants and travel. in the filing from january to june of last year, only $25,000 of toting expenditures or just 3.3% went to committees of individual candidates that sarah pac was supporting. more than 95% went to other federal operating expenditures. things like travel, speech writing, fees, lots of consuling fees and fund raisings. sarah pac spent $206,000. 92.5% or $2.8 million went into that category of other operating expenditures.
what does it say about our country that candidate who is a sell avowed socialist and who doesn't think a 90% tax rate is too high could be the democratic nominee? >> if that's the case, we're going to win every state. bernie sanders is the nominee. that's not even an issue. >> republicans have been pretty clear about their views of the relative electoral strength of bernie sanders and they have apparently been up to some mischief to try to get him
there. this is an ad running in iowa from american cross roads. it's the group co-founded by carl rove. >> ever wonder how hillary clinton can afford so many ads?
chancing are they were paid for with wall street cash. hillary clinton's gotten 54 times more money from wall street interest than from all of iowa. >> this week a new ad that is extensively against bernie sanders from a super pac funded by big time republican donor joe rickens. >> senator bernie sanders has some very big plans. he wants to provide free college for our young people, no tuition, completely free. now he's doubling down with medicare for all. no big insurance companies. just more government spending. paid for my raising taxes on wall street, big business and the super rich. senator bernie sanders, too
liberal for iowa. >> while the ad accuses
him of being too liberal. it's what they are counting onto turn out iowa democrats. raise the profile of bernie sanders because hillary clinton may be harder to beat in november. that's the same tactic used by missouri's democratic senator in 2012 who put together a $1.7 million ad buy to boost the profile of missouri republican congressman todd akin in his primary who she saw as weaker challenger. it worked. akin won and she beat him in the general election. it's why she took to twitter to call ricketts out. she goes i see you joe ricketts and i know what you're up to. don't fall for it iowa democrats. clinton said she thought the ad was flattering because if they know if they are up against me,
i have a much better chance to win. should democratic voters trust their judgment on which candidate is more electable? joining me now democratic pollster. i understand why people make this judgment that hillary clinton is a better general election candidate. if you're going to trust anyone, it's like from brilliant minds that have brought you the right super pac comes our judgment of the american people, like why should i listen to them? >> they've got an audience out there. they are trying to put their thumbs on the scale for senator sanders there. >> maybe they're i don't think. >> they may be wrong, but i'll tell you what, there are some of the billionaires he's running against and rove is funded by wall street money. ricketts wall street money. they're more worried about hillary clinton being in the white house, being a president
who will reign wall street in. >> they are worried about her being in the nominee. >> if they were worried about bernie sanders standing up to wall street and doing that, they would be running ads against him. they are putting their money where they think it will do the most good for their cause, which is to keep somebody away from reigning in wall street, which she will do if president. >> john kasich has the line we're going to win 50 states. you see people saying if ted cruz is the nominee, gold water. it strikes me the way the demographic politics of america works, no one is winning 50 states. you start -- you got the nomination, if anyone in this room got a nomination, they start with 20 states. >> it's probably more than that. if you look at what democrats have done in the last four elections we have won, set aside al gore. if you look at the last six elections, two clinton
elections, two obama elections. the fewest number of electoral votes was 232 which was his second election. he was only elected with 50% of the vote or more both times. george bush won with 271 and 283. there is a structural advantage. 50 states, first of all, no one has ever won 50. we've had 49. we've had a blow out. >> go minnesota. >> right. ronald reagan, obviously. i don't think anybody will win 50 states. america is largely a 50/50 country to start with. people divided. i don't mean 50/50 but 45. >> to the person watching this race unfold, they're saying two planes i'm calculating on. one, who do i like. what do you say to the person
who says ultimately whoever is the nominee inherits that structural advantage. these differences between who these people are as candidates aren't going to make that big of a difference. >> i think candidates matter. as much as there are structural advantages, even after we won in 2012, i said demographics aren't destiny. what this will come down to based on where people are, it will be seven and a half almost eight years of obama's term, they will focus on who can get stuff done that will make a real difference in my life. who will create the jobs? who's going to keep fighting to get equal pay and deliver it for women who do the same work as men? who will raise the minimum wage that will lift 30 million people out of poverty? >> the answer to that -- >> it's hillary clinton. she's got a track record.
>> the answer is no one. >> i don't think so. if you look at what got done in the last eight years, last seven years of president obama's presidency during a time of enormous gridlock, it is tough. it takes hard work. there's no question about it. i think the american people appreciate that about the job. they will want a president who can roll up her sleeves and get the hard work done. he's got a host of policies including $18 trillion in spending. >> thank you. let me start where joe leaves off. talking about electability. there's the two lanes. you're nominating someone. you're not giving them the job. bernie sanders has the highest
approval candidate right now. the answer to that is bernie sanders has never faced hundreds of millions of dollars of negative ads to be like this guy wants to raise your taxes. the republicans haven't been too bright in how they are spending this money. in iowa, talk -- is he saying that people are against affordable -- >> he's not. he says he wants them. >> expanding social security. this is lunacy. bernie sanders has been a fighter for working people. republicans better watch out for what they are looking for. if you go into white, poor regions of vermont, there are thousands of people that know bernie sanders has been caring about them and fighting for their jobs. he is up against at the moment
what nate -- in polls, and i hate the polls because they're so volatile. polls is doing better in match ups against the republicans. he's winning the independents. forget the fact he's winning 74%, 18 to 29-year-olds. >> this is a real question. if he's the nominee, there will be hundreds of millions of dollars spent to say every vote he's taken and say he wants to raise your taxes. he just said the other night, i will raise your taxes. >> there will be hundreds of millions of dollars spent against hillary clinton and they will say the same thing about her. what bernie sanners -- sanders can do is marshal that political revolution before he's elected which is to mobilize. this will be an election of mobilization, not persuasion. mobilize millions of people to ramp up they're giving to him and be unbought.
i think he can compete and it's a test he can compete with the big money by going to people and saying enough with the downsize politics. we will find a way to take on politics. take on -- >> that's great. if you look at polling. when you say to the american people, would you vote for a person who is a muslim, gay, atheist. it will be a problem. >> bernie sanders is an unreconstructed 21st century new dealer. he has to invoke roosevelt at every step. what is american socialism, it's the post office at social security. what's stunning is 43% of democratic caucus goers who say they will participate in the des moines register poll say they
are socialists. young people -- >> is that democratic iowa caucus goers are not representative of the electorate and they may choose someone -- >> let me pivot. he is taking about taking back this country. democracy. democracy. senator clinton, i'm speaking after joe but she has a lot of baggage herself. >> that's true. >> he's running as a candidate of continuity in a time of extraordinary change. i think she's also burdened by taking on a lot of wall street money. i think she can -- that will be a baggage. he is run better, i would argue, in iowa, in places like that against a donald trump appealing to a working class. >> let me say this final point about continuity and change. if it really is a change
election, whoever has the d next to their name will have a hard time. >> it's going to be a mobilization election. >> that's true. >> get out the vote. the enthusiasm will be vital for senate and other factor. >> can democrats recreate that kind of thing is the question. >> thank you. >> thank you. it's safe to say donald trump came farther than most people expected but what would it take for him to get the nomination? we'll break down his path to victory just ahead.
footage was met with great outreach. it purported to show officials selling body parts for profit, which would be illegal. planned parenthood denied any wrong doing but that didn't stop the political fire storm providing plenty of fodder and giving a gruesome applause line to carly fiorina in which she described a fully formed footage kicking on a table. it wasn't in the video at all. she claimed she was speaking of a different video. on capital hill the president of planned parenthood was called to testify before congress. the house voting to defund the organization for an eighth time
earlier this month. late last year, a man shot up a planned parenthood clinic in colorado springs uttering no more baby parts authorities upon his arrest. even in face of such terrible tragedy, conservatives continued with their message. >> this man is a despicable murder and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law but none of that changes the reality that planned parenthood is in the business of buying and selling body parts of unborn children. none of that changes the reality that they were caught on video committing a pattern of felonies. >> selling body parts. the outrage expressed by cruz and others were because of these heavily edited tapes and it proved they were doing something horrific and immoral but also flatly illegal.
harvesting and selling body parts. >> they are in the business of providing abortion and they are in the business of selling baby's body parts like the parts of a buick. >> they cannot and will not deny they are conducting late term abortions for the purposes of harvesting beside parts because it is true. >> we have a situation going on right now where planned parenthood has dumped fetal parts into land fills. >> these tapings of planned parenthood selling body parts are grotesque. it highlights the evil of what they are doing. >> in light of these horrific videos they are caught on tape admitting to pattern of felonies, illegally selling the body parts of unborn children. >> these videos show them laughing and callously,
heartlessly selling the body parts of unborn children. >> i think you've created an industry now where you create the situation, very much you created the incentive to being able to sell the fetal tissue for purposes of making a profit off of it. >> again and again, over and over like a drum beat day after day after day, selling body parts, selling body parts. if planned parenthood officials were selling body parts for profits as those individuals said on national television day after day, that would be a criminal act, which is why the republican district attorney in harris county texas at the urging of republican lawmakers in her state launched an investigation into the houston based branch of planned parenthood which was a victim and presented the evidence to
grand jury. as we reported yesterday, planned parenthood was cleared of any wrong doing by that grand jury in texas. there's a twist. instead, the two anti-abortion activists were indicted on criminal charges, including one count related to the purpose or sale of human organs. the crime they claim planned parenthood admitted. we know this will change nothing in how republicans talk about it as this response demonstrates. >> here's what i know. planned parenthood has been trafficking in beside parts. they have been altering late term abortion techniques for this specific purpose of harvesting body parts. in a president fiorina budget, there will not be a single dime for planned parenthood. >> that's just yesterday. the whole political fire storm was never about those videos to begin with.
we're going to talk about the path to victory for donald trump, which is a phrase that would have seemed crazy six months ago. >> it's not just the path to victory, there's multiple paths to victory. >> this is like when you're evaluating a team in the last week of the football season where they can get into the playoffs any number of ways, right? >> we'll start with the easiest win and that's win iowa. he leads this just about every state except iowa. he's neck and neck with ted cruz in iowa. if you're donald trump and you win iowa and already ahead in new hampshire, it's tough to see how you would lose momentum. you have done something that no one in the modern era of presidential politics has done. that's put together that one-two punch of iowa and new hampshire. >> is that true? >> yeah. since these two have become major events no one has gone 2-0 in the first two. >> wow. that's one path.
let's say he doesn't win iowa. we have no idea what's going to happen there because the polling is all over the place. say he comes in second or behind them. >> cruz, let's say cruz wins iowa and trump comes in second. then you go to new hampshire. he need to hold on in new hampshire. cruz wins one with iowa. trump wins one with new hampshire. that sets up south carolina. there's a chance there to undo cruz's victory in iowa by winning south carolina. very similar heavy with evangelical voters. if cruz can't take the iowa win d parlay it to a win in south carolina, if he could win new hampshire and stop them in south carolina, that would derail cruz. >> the cruz does get that win in iowa, that get give him so momentum. >> that also brings us to the
third step here, which is basically look, if the establishment, the so-called republican party accomplishment, this is something we have started to see in the last few days. if they are forced into situation where they have to choose, it's trump or cruz. it's no one else. forget bush, christie. does trump have an opportunity if he lost iowa, south carolina to cruz. do the party elites say we got to go with trump? they all flock to him. >> the key thing to remember is even if he comes out of those contests, iowa, new hampshire and south carolina with one win. he then goes to the primary, the south, where he is polling up 45 points. he's killing people there. it's even plausible he goes one for three. >> that's the thing. if it became cruz versus trump, the only two candidates viable in that party establishment, one reason for them to go with trump, he's the guy who set up to stop cruz in the southern states.
the senator challenging donald trump to a one-on-one debate after trump's campaign said he could not be participating in the fox news debate this thursday. >> i know that donald finds megyn frightening. we can arrange for different moderators. we can arrange for mark levin to moderate or sean hannity or rush limbaugh to moderate or glenn beck to moderate. if all of them are too scary, then we can do it with no moderators. we'll do 90 minutes lincoln-douglas, donald and me. he can lay out his vision and i can lay out my vision in front of men and women in iowa. >> no response yet from the trump camp.
i want to make sure that the people of my state feel safe and secure and know that despite the fact i've been on phone seven or eight times in the past two days, they'll feel better if i'm there. i'm going to go back this afternoon if conditions are worse than what i expect, may not see you sunday. i will be back. i'll be able to do both things. >> today, governor chris christie is feeling the wrath of many of his constituents after a historic blizzard hit the state. he planned to stay on the campaign trail in new hampshire but after facing criticism, he headed home to new jersey. he then left less than 24 hours after the storm ended and almost immediately confronted by a woman who asked why he was on the trail. here was his answer. >> because it's already done.
it's already done. >> okay. >> tell me why you think it isn't. >> i have friends, family calling sending videos, pictures all over the state. >> all over the state. all over the state. really. there's been one county that's flooded in the state. one county. that was cape may county. it's the one county that flooded. i don't know where from all over the state since we have 21 counties where that's happened. second, i don't know what you expect me to do. you want me to go down there with a mop. >> perhaps not surprisingly many people in new jersey didn't take kindly to the remarks. one put a mop if front with a sign it was reserved for chris christie. residents in south jersey, parts that experienced high flooding assessed the damage. >> i think it takes a little more than a mop for this. the homes not livable anymore. the bulkhead is gone. whether he sees it on camera or
himself in person, the devastate is what it is. that's not going to change. it's going to take more than a mop. >> today chris christie offered this explanation for his mop comment. >> it's a joke. you don't like the joke, you don't like it. that's all. it was a joke. if you don't like the joke, you can tell me you don't like the joke. >> christie stopped short of apologizing. he did apologize to the mayor after he called him crazy for saying the blizzard caused worse flooding in his town than hurricane sandy. >> i heard some people compare it to sandy. i heard one crazy mayor down in south jersey say this is the worst flooding than sandy. his town didn't get hit by sandy. so, of course it's worse than sandy for him. >> he did get hit by sandy and the blizzard was worse for them.
the christie bump. >> a little bit of a bump. it's gone. it's going to be really gone afterthis. sometimes when you're sitting here and getting ready to think about what you're going to say and you hear that thing in your ear, you hear the voice. i've seen him say that. i've seen those words. he takes such glee in humiliating that young woman. he can't help himself. that cruelty just runs away withist itself and he lands the joke with the mop because he thinks it's a good joke. >> you can tell his eyes light up. they say she was a plant, but i have no evidence of that. you can see this sort of, he lights up because he thinks he's got her. it's like i'm going to check mate her here. >> he's got her and then he's got this poor mayor and slamming this poor mayor. karma is real. it looked like he's kind of escaped bridge-gate. with the investigation went silent.
he goes to new hampshire. once again, he falls victim to his desire to humiliate a small town mayor and show how tough he is and call the guy crazy when he's had to evacuate 150 residents and he's mocking him. >> this is the thing about christie. there's been this class of pundits. it's like wish fulfillment. so badly that christie or rubio will take off. it's the way an adult watches a toddler doing a difficult task. you're leaning in trying to will them to get it done. you've seen this. a million predictions. it's like an organ being rejected. it's like they don't want it. >> every debate marco rubio is going to surge. >> or chris christie who does well in them. >> he does well enough. he is a creation of our people, the liberal east coast media and a tough talking guy who puts
people down is going to be popular. >> of course. there is a time part of him. >> right from the northeast. >> that is one of the things that's been, if you're a christie head scratching. >> i was supposed to be the bully. >> someone a hundred times more of a bully. >> it's got to be really hard for him. i think it's over. >> real clear politics average. 5.3% in iowa in december. up 11.5%. now down to 7.2. he has a tough road ahead of him. not a single vote has been cast. >> the path to victory is there. >> we don't write people off. thanks for being here. that's all in for this evening. rachel maddow starts this evening.
> thank you. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. i love days like there. today, as the day got longer, as the sun went down, as afternoon turned to evening, the political news just went completely nuts. if you are a civics dork, you live for days like this. now if you're not sure whether or not you are a civics dork, one way to tell is if a news day like today has you grinning from ear to ear at the sheer exciting, unprecedented chaos of it all. another way to tell if you're a civics dork is by closely monitoring the feeling that you have when you receive something like this in your mailbox. most people when they get summon to jury duty they get bummed out and start complaining but a true civics dork sees this and this is up there with like an unexpected tax refund or an unsolicited box of chocolates from your ex who you still have a thing for.