tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC February 8, 2016 9:00pm-10:01pm PST
kasich to come in second. thank you. all right. that's "all in" this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now in another bigger, quieter room. good evening. >> awkwardly very near by but also separate. >> yes. >> pretty much how it goes from here on out. >> take it away. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour from what is our fancy election headquarters here in downtown manchester, new hampshire. i'm not sure how any of this stuff works yet. let's give it a go. up north in conway, new hampshire, it's about two hours north of where we are tonight in manchester, up in conway, they have a paper called the conway daily sun. every four years candidates trek up there to seek the endorsement of the editorial board of the conway daily sun.
while the candidates are there, they sign the refrigerator. seriously. interesting new hampshire tradition. candidates sign the fridge in the staff break room at the local paper. they've taken to calling it icebox one like air force one. they now have 31 presidential candidate signatures on their fridge, including a few two signers like ron paul and hillary clinton. everybody goes to conway to try to get the paper's endorsement. it's great new hampshire tradition even when it doesn't go great for the candidate. this year in december after marco rubio went up to conway to meet with the editorial board there. he did what you do. he sat down with the board and signed the fridge. he wrote thank you for your great questions. then the paper wrote up what happened at the marco rubio editorial meeting.
quote, we have roughly 20 minutes with him on monday. he talked about isis, economy, political record and his background. it was like watching a computer algorithm designed to cover talking points. he said a lot but said nothing. it was like someone wound him up, pointed him toward the doors and pushed play. if there was a human side to the senator, a soul, it didn't come across. that was december. see, a gaffe is just a gaffe. bad moment is a bad moment. an off night is just an off night. when that gaffe, that bad moment, that off night confirms what people already worry about you, when it proves the point about what people are secretly concerned about when it comes to you, that's when these things aren't just a gaffe or an off moment or a bad night, that's when these things stick. >> an executive or former
executive of a state why is that person not better positioned
than you are? >> the presidency of the united states is a unique office. it's not like being a senator or governor either. >> have you been in a position where you make tough calls. where do you get that strength where you'd be in those decisions all day long? >> it's true the presidency is not like being a u.s. senator but it's also like not being a governor. >> what do you consider your biggest legislative accomplishment? >> first, let me say the most important job of president is commander in chief. being president is not like being a senator, but it's not like being a governor either. >> that anti-marco rubio ad was run by the chris christie campaign ahead of this weekend's debate. they
posted that ad on friday before this happened at the debate the next day. >> let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that barack
obama doesn't know what he's doing. he knows exactly what he's doing. let's dispel with this fiction that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. he knows exactly what he's doing. this notion that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing. he knows exactly what he's doing. >> there is the memorized 25-second speech. >> they doesn't understand what we're dealing with here. this is a president who is trying to change this country. >> misspelling the word potato only mattered for dan qualye because people were worried he wasn't the sharpest pencil in the case. same goes for rick perry and his oops moment. ted cruz did the same thing this year. ted cruz forgot which agencies he wanted to cut and said he would cut the department of commerce twice. that didn't stick because when he did it, it didn't confirm anything that people suspected about ted cruz.
people think that ted cruz is smart. it didn't stick to him. it did stick to rick perry because there was a preexisting worry about rick perry maybe being a little dim. these things stick to you not necessarily because of how bad they are in absolute terms. they stick to you when they confirm what is already feared about you. people covering marco rubio and people who are close to marco rubio have been wondering for years now. they sometimes been putting in print their fears that maybe he's a computer program. maybe he's a robot. that he's fake. he memorizes things. beyond that he malfunctions. saturday night's debate what marco did under that question, at least that's likely to stick. at least for a while. this was the front page of the boston herald the morning after the debate. it's a boston paper but they
have big readership in new hampshire in southern new hampshire which is where marco rubio needs to perform best. choke. that front page has got to hurt. what's got to hurt even more is photo copy offense that being slipped under wind shield wipers at marco rubio events in new hampshire ever since the boston herald came out. jeb bush super pac is being credited with that distribution. the way the jeb folks feel about marco rubio, we're starting to learn that may be mutual. the associated press flag filings that indicate at the last minute before tomorrow's new hampshire primary the marco rubio super pac has cancelled a half million dollar of ted cruz ads and replace them with anti-jeb bush ads.
what that's about? they never totally level with you. maybe it's revenge for the wind shield wiper things. maybe it's strategic based on new hampshire polling. maybe jeb bush is doing better than anybody expected and marco rubio decided he needs to get taken down. look at that latest republican polling. franklin conspiracy university, boston herald says ted cruz is second. one tracking poll has jeb bush tanking opinion he's only a point above carly fiorina. the polls on the republican side are just nuts right now.
they all say something different. they all show donald trump in the lead. other than that, the republican polls are chaos. i got to say even that one constant trump being in the lead, he was leading in the polls in iowa before he came in second place there. who knows. anybody who wants to take your bet on what's going to happen on the republican side, don't do it. on the democratic side, there's a clear leader this the polls. it's less chaotic. bernie sanders has led in new hampshire in every poll consistently since early december. daily tracking polls over the course of the last week show former secretary of state hillary clinton is steady cutting into sanders lead. if the polls are to be believed, he's too far out ahead for her to catch him by tomorrow.
>> when we begin this campaign about nine months ago, we were at 3% in the national polls and despite my neat hairdo and gq type of outfit, the media and the pundits didn't quite consider us a serious candidacy. the word fringe was used a couple of times. we have come a long way in the last nine months. [ cheers and applause ] in iowa, we started off 40, 50 points behind. we ended up a virtual tie. new hampshire we started 30 points behind, and i think we're going to do just fine tomorrow. >> bernie sanders speaking today here in manchester, new hampshire. also today, in her last national interview before new hampshire
votes, i got a chance to can secretary hillary clinton about running behind bernie sanders in the polls and her campaign's harsh criticism of the campaign and i got to ask her about some provocative reporting that the clinton campaign might be planning major shake up in their operations. watch. thank you so much for this time. >> my pleasure to see you again. >> we're very close to voting in new hampshire. >> we are. >> the polls show senator sanders still significantly ahead. if you do not win in new hampshire, does that imply or in your mind does that mean you need to change course at all? will that mean your campaign going ahead will be different than leading into this? >> i've always had a different view than some others have. i always knew iowa would be really, really hard. we won.
>> one quarter of one percent. >> i'm always happy about that. i knew that senator sanders been in public life next door for 25 years and he had a tremendous amount of familiarity and a sense of belonging in the area. i always knew this was going to be hard. i feel good about the campaign we waged here. i think we have an uphill battle. we're going to battle it until the last votes are counted and turn around and head off for next contest. >> politico.com just published something that says there's changes in the works. there's always these campaign gossip stories. they are citing a half dozen people with knowledge of the situation. they are considering staffing and strategy changes after what's expected to be a loss in tuesday's primary. are you planning some sort of shake up like that? >> somebody showed that to me. i have no idea what they are
talking about or who they are talking to. we're going to take stock. it's going to be the campaign i've got. i'm confident in the people i have. i'm very committed to them. they're committed to doing the best we can. we're moving into a different phase of the campaign. we're moving into different geographic areas. it would be malpractice to say what worked? what can we do better? what can we do new and different that we have to pull out? >> president clinton was here with you today as was your daughter. president clinton did his own event when he had harsh criticism for senator sanders campaign, essentially calling them hypocrite cal, dishonest, calling out sexism from senator sanders supporters. although senator sanders have called out his on supporters for sexism saying he will not tolerate it. is president clinton going further than you would in those criticisms for the sanders
campaign or do you share the view that he's been dishonest? >> here's my view. i think bill was defending my supporters because we know a lot of them are being harassed online and our events. they are being treated badly. i'm all for people who are for my opponent. i think it's great to bring in as many new, young people as possible. i want people treated respectfully. i think that's part of what he was talking about. i have been concerned about tone of his campaign over the last weeks. we were running on issues. we're getting to the point we have to draw contrasts. that's natural. i have a health care approach. he has a health care approach. we have a different view about how we get there. that's fair game, as it should be. there has been a constant undercurrent that i said in the debate last week, was a kind of attack by insinuation, kind of artful smears.
i said enough is enough. if you have something to say to my face, say it. if you can point to any event, any vote, any view that you think has been influenced by any donation i've made, call it out. then they put up the bankruptcy bill. i answered this yesterday on the morning shows. i want this to stop. let's just be honest with each other. look, senator sanders has taken money from wall street. he took it through the democratic campaign committee. that's what we do. that doesn't mean his views are compromised. it doesn't mean my views and it doesn't mean that president obama's views when he was running for the presidency. he took a lot of money from wall street. in any way stopped him from pushing through and stopping dodd frank and imposing tough rules. he sends his supporters messages and his campaign amplifies those messages. a lot of his young people get
really worked you have. they're going off on tangents. they can attack me, that's fine. to go after journalists and supporters who say nice things and elected officials who are for me. i have the vast majority of elected officials on the democratic side. they know us both. they know i would be the president who can get done what i'm saying. >> as a journalist, who is an out and proud liberal. i get attacked 50/50 who say i'm a dyed in the wool partisan for bernie or for you. i do not notice a difference in the nastiness or the snark or inappropriateness of those attacks that i get from the people that support you or senator sanders. if you did want to change the tone of things from your supporters, could you? he said he doesn't want sexism and other forms of offensive comments, can he do more than he is?
can you do more than you do? >> i think we should do what we can. i'm also focused on what he says. his argument is this. anyone who has taken a donation to anyone connected with wall street is compromised. they're vote has been bought. they can't be trusted. that is not true. if it is true, now it includes him because he's taken contributions from wall street. >> he said yesterday that no politician, there's never been a politician in history who says, yes, the money that i took influences me. implying the defense that you don't claim to be been influenced is no defense. >> put out the proof. don't listen to what people say. i find it deeply offensive. i have worked really hard. ive taken on many more powerful groups than he has. i've taken on the drug companies and the insurance companies. i've got big oil going after me. i have hedge fund guys spending millions of dollars in ads
against me. if they are so worried about bernie, why are they trying to defeat me. i've taken onto gun lobby. i've got the scars to prove what i'm willing to take on and how i've stood firm against an onslaught of attacks. point to the evidence. otherwise, stop it. let's talk about i want to get to universal coverage building on the affordable care act. you want to start over. let the people decide what's the best way to do this. that's what this should be about. >> you mentioned in the debate when chuck asked you about transcripts that you would look into it. we had some further word there may be a release of those transcripts. what's the status of that? do you expect to release those speeches? >> i'm getting a little bit
weary of the double standard. there's a lot of people on both sides. if we're going to say what you did when out of office in the private sector, fair game. release it all. >> you mean all presidential candidates? >> yeah, everybody, release everything. i've been asking to do something for which there's no basis. just the attempt to cast suspicion. i said i will look into it. what's good for the gander should be good for the goose. >> if everybody's going to do it, you'll do it. >> i'm really not thinking about it to get through new hampshire. it's going to be very boring for people understand it's done under whatever circumstances. >> former secretary of state hillary clinton promising if she does end up releasing the transcripts of the speeches, she says, and i quote, it's going to be very boring was her exact quote.
nothing in this race is boring. that's what she predicts. also not confirming the story she's dissatisfied with her campaign and deciding if things need to be changed. also not backing down from the increasingly harsh criticism that she and her campaign and her husband have been leveling at bernie sanders. the gloves are definitely off. voting starts at midnight. dixville notch has nine. millsfield has 22 registered voters. they are all voting at midnight tonight. game on.
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happy new hampshire eve. a lot of people say he's put all of his eggs here. he put a lot here but we have people in south carolina. we have people in nevada, mississippi, michigan. all that is happening. look, at some point it's about delegates. i got to get some delegates, right. we'll see what happens. i'm not -- we're not a uptight campaign. we're not like stressed out. we're fine. the more we are ourselves, the better we seem to do. >> on the eve of an election,
how does this feel? >> feels good. we're not leaving anything on the field. between the town halls and positive media that cuts through, with the volunteers. i think we have done everything we can. i'm very relaxed. we have maybe one more town hall today plus a couple of rallies. it's right where we want to be. this is exactly where we thought we would be. we marched in lot of obscurity for a long time. maybe we're going to get to the point where that obscurity will come to an end. >> ohio governor john kasich. my obscurity may be coming to an end. when candidates sound that upbeat during a campaign, you never know if they mean it or just spinning. if they are just signaling. their self-confidence becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.
he also put his money where his mouth was. his super pac placed a half million dollar ad buy not in new hampshire but the next two states. it's a concrete signal that he thinks his campaign will not end tomorrow. in a similar show of commitment but one that cost a lot less money, chris christie, today, also gave a sort of similar signal. his campaign released a schedule of campaign events in south carolina. i heard governor christie said he was planning ongoing home to new jersey for a couple of days before he would head onto south carolina. now his campaign says on wednesday, on the day after in new hampshire primary his south carolina schedule will begin. none of that changes the fact that if either or both of those candidates gets smoked in new hampshire, everybody will expect them to quit, but they are both of them, governor christie and kasich expect to go on.
yes, it is all mind game. jeb bush continues to have the worst friends in politics on this strategic issue. saw another round of jeb bush donors and supporters saying he should quit the race and donors are itching for him to get out of race. in terms of mind games and perception, he has no worse enemies than the people who are pulling for him and paying for him to win. i tried to get hillary clinton today to weigh in on the state of the republican primary. all she would tell me is she's hoping the republican primary goes on for a really long time and that's as brutal as possible. did you see the republican debate on saturday night? >> i was at my event. i did not see. >> have you been able to resist the temptation of marco rubio saying the same thing over and over again?
>> i did see that because i was on every news channel. >> he's seen as coming out of iowa as having a lot of momentum as a potential nominee. do you have any reaction or opinion about that performance from him in. >> i'm going to leave my opinions to myself. i don't want to influence the process. they have to make their decision and the longer it lasts and the more difficult it is, the better it will be for us. >> i don't want to influence at all except to say i hope it goes on forever and gets increasingly terrible for everybody. we're live from manchester, new hampshire. we'll be right back.
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arkansas governor bill clinton is back in the news today. he's raising question of character. lisa meyers is with clinton. >> a poll shows them dead even with 28% of the vote. perhaps more troubling, less than a third of his own supporters considered him the most truthful and honest candidate. his slip was triggered by charges last week that he avoided the military draft which he denies. >> did i do anything illegal or wrong? i did not. >> is seeds were sewn earlier with jennifer flowers allegations of a pro-longed
extramarital affair. he was given the benefit of the doubt about that. in recent days after the draft story reenforced questions about his character, the damage began to show. >> that nightly news report from february 1992, the key part there is that less than a third of bill clinton's own supporters considered him to be the most truthful and honest candidate in the democrat field that year. those were the head wins for bill clinton in 1992. he did come back against them. he did better than anybody thought he would here in new hampshire even amid that environment for him. he did well new in new hampshire he proclaimed himself the comeback kid and by june of that year he clenched the democratic nomination. it's been more than two decades since bill clinton faced that truthful and honest problem with new hampshire voters, but once again, at this critical point, right before that state's
primary, the same problem is offlicting a clinton campaign. this time they are questioning hillary clinton's honesty and truthfulness. it comes up in the polls when people are asked about their concerns and hopes. i asked secretary clinton about that. it came with a quote that will end up on lots of bumper stickers soon. that's next. dear, if we had directv, we could put tvs anywhere without looking at cable wires and boxes in every room. mother, we are settlers. we settle for cable. and the simpler things in life.
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this. >> i went to some republican candidate events. >> they let you in? >> they let me in. i wear a baseball hat. incognito situation. i wanted to talk to women voters who were there at republican candidate events. i found a number of different women to talk to. some are dyed this wool republicans. more often i found are women open to the idea of voting for a democrat. i talked to a few women who voted for obama either last time or in 2008. they are shopping for a republican candidate this year. they are shopping for a republican candidate and not thinking about voting in the democratic side is because they do not believe that you are honest. they have issue with your trustworthiness. i know you see this come up in the polls and people talk about their feelings where the variety candidates. i'm sure you disagree with that assessment from them. i understand that. how do you make the case to
people, to women in particular for whom that's the objection. that's why they can't pull the lever for you. >> obviously, this is not anything i want to hear because i find it so absolutely contrary to who i am and all these people who support me, who know me, work with me and count on me know who i am. i thought a lot about it. when you think back, i emerged on the national scene in 1992. i have been under relentless attack ever since. just read behavioral since even when the attacks are unfounded, untrue, it leave a residue. people say why is she being attacked so much. must be something there. i get through the '90s. i run for the senate. same thing happen. i gain the trust of the people of new york.
when i run again, i get a larger percentage of the vote. people who see me in action, people who count on me, people who know if i tell you something, i intend to do everything in my power to make that happen. then president elect obama turns around after that hard fought campaign with all sorts of accusations flying around. say i trust you. i want you to be my secretary of state. when i'm holding office, i get along well with republicans. i will always have the right wingers who are never going to give up on trying to push me down and push me out. they view me as a threat. i accept that. when i get to work with people, we get things done. that's been my pattern. when i get that question and i ask people, i say what is it you are really reacting to? very often they don't know.
then they'll say benghazi. did you know there were nine separate investigation, one of them independent. they try to bring he down politically. they all reach the same conclusions there were things we could have done better. i say we would. i testified for 11 hours. i answered every question. it's still on the tv. i hear people talking about it. i can't stop them from talking about it. i can only tell you what the facts are. i can tell you in the last 36, 7 years we've han terrorist problems in iran, in new york and in benghazi. none of them were every politicized. we lost 258 marines and embassy personnel in beirut.
the democrats didn't stand up and go after the secretary of state. we lost people in kenya and tanzania. hundreds of africans. people didn't turn it into a partisan attack. i have to only conclude that there is a concerted effort to try to make partisan advantage by really throwing some much at me that even if little splotches of it stick, it will cloud people's judgment of me. that's a burden i carry. when you stop and think, the people who have supported me are not doing it because they just like me. i have the governor of vermont supporting me. i have the north of vermont supporting me. they clearly know us both. they clearly prefer to support
me. i have the senator here. the governor in new hampshire. they know me. they trust me. they're not the kind of people who would just sign onto campaign for some frivolous reason. i have all my friends from the senate, they were all up here in the snow because they believe in me, and they trust me. i can't stop the barrage of attacks. i want your viewers and anyone else who would be interested in this to ask themselves, why does the right and particularly the republicans, spend so much time, money and effort through the media, through their advertising because you look at the republicans are running more ads against me than they run against each other. why? i'll tell you why. because they are afraid of me.
they know that i will be a president who, yes, i will listen to people but i will stand my ground and i know how to get things done. that's the last thing these guys want to see again. >> i'll tell you why, because they're afraid of me. coming to a bumper sticker near you. here in manchester, tonight, within the last hour, actually a block away from here. something went really off the rails at a donald trump event. we didn't expect to be covering this tonight, but this is truly nuts. it just happened. we just got the tape of it in. that's next. working on my feet all day gave me pain here.
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it happened about a block away from where i'm sitting. i don't have much to say about this except there's some language some viewers may find offensive. >> you heard the other night at the debate. they asked ted cruz, serious question, what do you think of water boarding. is it okay? i thought he would say absolutely. he was concerned about the answer because some people. she just said a terrible thing. shout it out. i don't want to -- okay. you're not allowed to say, and i never expect to hear that from you again, she said i never expect to hear that from you again. she said he's a [ expletive ] terrible. terrible. that's terrible. now.
what kind of people do i have here? >> donald trump closing the deal with new hampshire republican voters tonight in manchester. he could go onto fake reprimands the woman in audience. that really happened. that just happened in the last hour. he's up 15 to 20 points in the republican field right now. we'll be right back. dad, you can just drop me off right here. oh no, i'll take you up to the front of the school. that's where your friends are. seriously, it's, it's really fine. you don't want to be seen with your dad? no, it's..no..
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fire station for the one bottle of water their family is allowed today. it's one to go there and see for yourself. today i asked secretary clinton how that trip to clint changed her view on this disaster and what happens to happen next. what did you learn by going there that you didn't need before? >> nothing substitutes for sitting like i did and you were there when you were there with mothers who told me about what had happened to their families. a mother who moved to flint just serendipitously right up at the time the crisis was beginning, a year ago april, pregnant with twins, started seeing rashes, lost her twins, sitting there like i'm sitting with you just hearing that you know there is a depth of emotion and horror frankly associated with not being able to trust the water
you drink and that you bathe your baby if. and listen to a lot of officials explaining in detail how little control they had because their city was under emergency management under the government, getting into the real detail about what they could and couldn't do and how they literally couldn't get phone calls returned, letters answered. talking to the water warriors on this issue and doing everything they could to bring it to public attention. talking to the doctors who are leading up the efforts to test kid and what more they need. it really filled out great excruciatingly detail how terribly damaged and abused this community has been and it reminded me that people have a right to be angry. i have no argument with the anger, the insecurity the fear, the worry that people have when your government fails you, when the economy fails you, when clicks fails you, anger is a
natural and frankly expected result. but as we were talking yesterday and as this incredible mayor who has just taken this city on her back and is trying to lift it up said, okay, we are so distraught. our heart are broken. our some action are sick with worry about what happens next. but we need a plan. so i came to try to get them more support working with all levels of government to try to make sure they had whatever they needed to do as much as possible to empower themselves and i got a long list of you know follow up i will be doing over the next weeks. >> you said yesterday you were making a personal commitment you would see it through. >> yes. >> to the end. i will say just my opinion being there, my felling when i was there was that i couldn't believe, the basic things that families needed to cope on a day-to-day basis were not attended to.
what i aim at specifically there is no day-to-day clean water in flanagan. so there the a lot love people, average, poor american city, people don't have transportation or people could be house bound, elderly people, right now, still, to this day, today the day before the new hampshire primary, the plan is for people to go out to the fire stations and collect their allotted one case of water per day. is there a sense in which the emergency, not just physicaling it for the long haul, what people need day-to-day isn't attended to and there using to be a quick response right now? >> yes. yes. as i said yesterday, the question got a very big infrastructure that has to be fixed. congress is working on that, my friend debbie stabenow is really leading the charge. we have a huge set of problems having to do with the needs that people have that are not being met. you mentioned one of them, clean water.
we still don't have all the testing set up to be done. we don't have the planning yet for what has to happen in the schools. we don't know whether we can get not just clean water but the kind of nutrition that can maybe begin to mitigate to some extent the affects of blood before it gets from the bloodstream into tissues, muscles, et cetera. so which have a long list and i brought some folks with me that will stay involved and help with that planning process and we have a big lack of trust and one of the things that i have advocated is we need to find a way, not just to empower, but to hire people in the community to be the outreach workers, to do the water delivery, to be on the front lines in their neighborhoods. so we're putting together under the mayor's leadership a kind of matrix of tasks and who can do them, what they need to be able
to do them. a lot of them don't need training. some of them might. and so how do we piece all this together and talking with the city council, county commissioners and others, there's roles for somebody to play, but somebody has to have the overall approach that is followed and quick, very quick. >> secretary clinton speaking with me today in her final national interview before the new hampshire primary. today we also learned that secretary clinton's daughter chelsea headed to flint later this week on thursday following up. certainly there is a political asspect to this. there are probably votes to be had in every story, especially in flint. secretary clinton, of course, wants us to see her as potential president clinton responding to this emergency. that's politics. but politics are also how we get things done in this country and they might be a part of how we get things fixed in flint, if we ever do. >> that does it for us for now. tomorrow night our new hampshire primary night start at 6:00 p.m. eastern. ly sigh with lawrence o'donnell,
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