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good thursday morning. i'm steve kornacki live in columbia, south carolina. the clapital of this state. the home of the university of south carolina and right now the center of american politics. this is msnbc, the place for politics, and this is it in just 48 hours, republican voters in this state will finally get their say in what has become an all out brawl of a primary. would they have it any other way in south carolina? democratic voters in nevada will also have their say, too, on saturday. that state holding its critical caucuses, now a dead heat out there between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. much more on that race in just a moment. but first our own new nbc news "wall street journal" national poll throwing yet another jolt of uncertainty in this republican race.
it shows ted cruz suddenly pulling ahead of donald trump 28 to 26%. this is the first national poll from any outlet to have any candidate other than trump in the lead since all the way back in november. now, this could signal a serious change in the republican race in the wake of last saturday's debate. that's when trump bluntly attacked george w. bush over the 9/11 attacks and the iraq war, but also keep in mind every other national poll, including two new ones out just this morning from "usa today" and suffolk university and from cbs news and "the new york times" they all still have trump comfortably leading in the national horse race. and perhaps more importantly, trump also continues to lead by double digits right here in south carolina, the next state to vote. a commanding lead for trump that has so far with stood even the controversy over those comments he made in saturday's debate. it's that fight at the top that continues to intense fight here
and msnbc's exclusive town hall with trump last night in charleston he responded to cruz essentially saying bring it on. referring to a potential lawsuit that trump is threatening to file against cruz if cruz doesn't pull a tv ad that features trump in 1999 calling himself, quote, very pro choice. >> i've had great success in business, i've had great success with lawsuits. >> you have been threatening frivolous lawsuits for your entire adult life. >> i don't know that we're going to have a lawsuit, but we certainly want to keep somebody honest. >> file the lawsuit. >> when he makes statements about, as an example, i'm pro life and he says he is not pro life. he can't say that. >> donald trump and any lawyer that signs his name to the pleadings being sanctioned in court for filing frivolous litigati litigation. >> and meanwhile with donald trump threatening a lawsuit with ted cruz saying to bring it on, saying he wants to depose donald trump with all of that happening, marco rubio receiving
a much needed second win at least potentially, something he hopes will propel him at least into second place here, governor nikki haley throwing her support to the florida senator at the last minute last night. the two of them campaigning together wednesday night. we will see them together again tomorrow. this is one of the first of a dozen events scheduled today for the six remaining republicans in the race and our political team is here to talk all about it. nbc's katy tur and gabe gutierrez are here with me in south carolina and katie, let's start with you. you are with donald trump, he is holding a rally in a couple hours. so as we say there is this new national poll from nbc, our own poll, that shows maybe some change here, but a lot of other polls out there nationally and in south carolina that still show a commanding trump lead. what is the mood of the donald trump campaign heading into saturday's vote? >> the trump campaign seeing that poll as more of an outlier and pointing to the other polls
as the ones that they believe are correct, ones that show him in double digit leads nationally and also double digit leads here in the state. they're feeling pretty good about their chances. they really think they will win by a land slade in this state. they believe his outsider message, anti-establishment message is going to ring true in a way that ted cruz's does not ring true in this state. they believe the more ted cruz goes after donald trump the more like a politician he sounds. last night we had a town hall with him on msnbc, covered a wide range of issues including his support or lack of support for the iraq war. he's been saying over and over again on the trail that he has been against the iraq war, against the invasion but the first evidence anybody can find about that is a 2004 article by reuters, that is one year after the war started. here is how he explained himself to joe and mika. >> that doesn't mean they will put it in the newspapers as a businessperson. but they said he really said it right after the war started that -- and there's plenty of proof of that, there's headlines
and magazines, don't go into the war, you will destabilize the middle east. i said iran will take over iraq. iran will get the oil. i said all of these things and on top of it i didn't -- nobody knew about isis but on top of it i said the worst meanest group of people and the people that hate us the most they will do the best, that turns out to be isis. i also said -- >> where did you say this? >> i said it all over the place, it's written all over the place, joe, 2003, 2004, headlines and articles. nobody is questioning about my beings against the war, what they're saying is he was a little bit after the war. a couple people in your world said that's okay because he was early on, very early on. >> before everybody else. >> reporter: here is the remarkable thing about donald trump's campaign right now, the press, the media keeps trying to press him on policy details, press him on his inconsistencies but the voters so far do not seem to mind this. his supporters that come out believe in his ability to get things done, they don't care
about what they think are minor inconsistencies, they don't care to hear more about policy details, if they don't think donald trump knows what he's talk being at that moment they believe he will hire the people who do. there is a lot of trust and support for him especially here in south carolina where we continue to see him speak to large crowds. steve. >> nbc's katy tur with the trump campaign. gabe gutierrez is up in the upstate, green jill, south carolina, where marco rubio is holding a down hall. a big day, big night, big moment for the rubio campaign picking up that last minute endorsement from nikki haley. do they think this will get them to second place here? >> reporter: well, steve, they're very careful not to play the expectations game on what -- the only thing they will say is they expect a strong finish here in south carolina, not getting into second or third place. the town hall event here is about to start and marco rubio about to take the stage. so keeping my voice down so as not to interrupt but it is clear
that this was a huge jolt to the campaign. they hadden courting the nikki haley endorsement for a while, it's expected to make -- the campaign is expecting to -- it to make a huge difference here in south carolina, however, there is a question of how much it really will -- how much of a difference it really will make. she endorsed mitt romney in 2012 and newt gingrich was the one who ended up winning the south carolina primary, but the rubio campaign they think that now with nikki haley on board and with the addition of tim scott a while back they plan to barn storm south carolina tomorrow and the three of them they want to project that as the image of the new republican party. 44-year-old senator from florida of cuban descent, nikki haley of indian descent and tim scott an african-american senator. they think this could be the new face of the republican party and they expect to grow the party and take on donald trump. that's what the campaign is thinking right now. they've been clark a lot with ted cruz and the war of words between marco rubio and ted cruz
is continuing. yesterday marco rubio -- ted cruz responding to attacks from the rubio campaign, the rubio campaign shooting back, an adviser calling ted cruz unpresidential and unhinged. they are clark over immigration and over national security, but now the marco rubio campaign feels that the wind is at its back and they hope that this endorsement from nikki haley could pay off. again, this town hall here in greenville is expected to start in just a few minutes. marco rubio is expected to take the stage and this is at a cross fit gym, again, hoping to project that hip image, that younger image of the republican party. steve, back to you. >> all right. nbc's gabe gutierrez in greenville with marco rubio. thanks for that. a lot to talk about with our panel this morning. let's bring in two top political journalists right here in south carolina. andy shane is a political reporter for the newspaper "the state" he has been covering south carolina politics for nearly a decade and veteran television reporter for wis-tv
jack kinsy. we -- asking gabe about how this nikki haley endorsement is playing out. this is the cover of your newspaper this morning, this is the state, the big paper here in south carolina, look at that head line, rubio emerges as gop's anti-trump, anti-cruz option. that's how they're characterizing how your paper is characterizing this haley endorsement. how big is that constituency in the republican party, anti-trump and anti-cruz, how big is that? >> we used to think it was bigger in south carolina. trump and cruz has shown us it may not be as large as it used to be and there may be a seat change going on in south carolina. i think what's happening is we are finally seeing the establishment get behind rubio and try to give him that push. he has risen in the polls, getting closer to cruz and it looks like if you look at the numbers you look like if kasich and bush weren't in the race that he would be maybe even past cruz in challenging trump a little bit more. >> jack, there is a quote in this article it says -- this is from a political science professor down here, if rubio doesn't make it to second i'm
hard pressed to see how long his candidacy can last. do you agree with that? >> not necessarily. i think if you look at where rubio was coming out of new hampshire, fifth place finish here, even if he finishes third that is still sort of a come back story that he can portray. a guy who managed to somehow or another reshape his image, get rid of the robot rubio theme and come back as somebody who is more spontaneous and is connecting better on a more spontaneous level with voters and that message has gotten across now that he is a different candidate now than he was when he came out of new hampshire with a fifth place finish. >> i'm also curious how this is sound to go people here. you have rubio obviously, this is what he wants, he has the head line, the pictures, the governor endorsing him, at the same time he's going after donald trump and getting into this big fight with ted cruz, calling each other a liar, ted cruz going after him, him going after ted cruz. how much is that complicating what rubio is trying to do right now, this war with cruz he has gotten engaged in? >> it's not clear. i think the other part of this
that emerges is what a kick in the pants this is for jeb bush because here is a guy who has put massive resources into this state, who has tried to draw on his family's ties with the establishment here and he is at this point really trailing badly at least if the polls are concerned. >> you've been covering politics for a while. you know the bush family history in south carolina. how much of a surprise has it been for you to watch jeb bush struggle like this here? >> i was talking to one of the stall worths of the party, bob mccal ster, a guy who has worked closely with the bushes as well as people like senator lindsey graham. he was saying there is something happening here and if this current atmosphere continues to play out we may be looking at a really fundamental change for the republican party in that perhaps, you know, going forward we might not see the republican party as we know it today existing coming out of south carolina and coming out of this election cycle. >> i mean, this would be, andy,
2012 newt gingrich comes out of nowhere, wins the primary down here, doesn't have the establishment support, 2016. if this is donald trump winning or marco rubio maybe even finishing third if that happens to be where this ends up that does say something about south carolina maybe changing and that reputation of south carolina -- you sauls say break the tie, iowa picks a candidate, new hampshire, south carolina breaks the tie. >> i think we're seeing it across the party. as the polls have shown donald trump is leading nationwide. i talked to major republican donor, a businessman who is supporting donald trump and he has said the same things that i hear from folks who are in t-shirts and who are obviously nowhere near where he is in what they make for a living saying the same thing, that they're tired of politics as usual, they're tired of being lied to and that they think that donald trump has the strength and has the wherewithal to really change the country. so i think, you know, to a certain degree are we about to start to see a lot of
businessmen and business women get into politics instead of being on the sideline, being in front of the camera and doing what donald is doing. >> let me take a step back here. we have 48 hours until the voting starts, we have the polls showing donald trump far ahead here. can you see something that would trip him up in the last 48 hours this have race? >> what has tripped him up so far? i mean, john mccain, megyn kelly, the remarks about mexicans, muslims. i mean, even to a certain degree the 9/11 comments and going after george w. bush. it doesn't seem to be hurting him in the polls here in south carolina. you know, maybe it might hurt him in other states but at the moment it doesn't seem like there's anything stopping him. >> was that the ultimate test, jack, when he got up on that debate stage and talked about 9/11 and george w. bush and didn't pay a priegs for it? >> he never seems to pay a price for just about anything. the other thing i would like to point out is you've still got six candidates in the mix here in south carolina and there's still that question of too many people down in the second tier.
at some point some of those guys have got to get out and if they do where does that support go? does it go to rubio, does it go to cruz? i think there is a great deal of speculation right now as to how much longer bush holds on, how much longer carson holds on and whether or not kasich is getting out of the mix here and maybe concentrating more on the midwest, but it would be a lot easier to figure this out if you didn't have so much competition, i think, for that number three spot and you could see where those voters are going to go. >> that's right. the rubio campaign i'm sure it can't happen soon enough that all those other candidates get out and they have that -- if they get that, we will sea see. jack kinsy, and gee shane the "the state" thanks for joining us, too. we have much more ahead from the liberty tap room in columbia, south carolina. after the break we will turn to the democrats, hillary clinton has arrived in las vegas, one of her first stops was to greet workers at her hotel, hotel workers a big part of the caucus
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i will take it further. >> i think we've got a real good shot in nevada and i honestly believe we are going to do a lot, lot better in south carolina. the momentum is with us and i think on election day people are going to be very surprised about how well we do. could we be in for a sanders surprise here in south carolina? next week? a lot might have to do with whether there is a sanders surprise in nevada this saturday. the latest poll shows hillary clinton and bernie sanders locked in a dead heat 48 hours before those caucuses start on saturday. msnbc's alex seitz-wald and kasie hunt have both of those democratic campaigns covered for us this morning. casey, we will start with you. in d.c. we are expect to go hear from bernie sanders there in the next hour as he tries to step up his outreach to black voters. what can we expect? >> steve, senator sanders meeting here at the national
urban league's washington offices with some of those same civil rights leaders we saw hillary clinton appearing with this week, al sharpton, mark morial, this all port of his continued outreach to these key democratic party constituencies. we've talked a lot about how senator sanders does have some work to do here, we've obviously seen hillary clinton heavily focused on african-american votes. from the sanders campaign perspective they feel like they don't necessarily need to win over a majority of african-american voters to have a shot or a path, if you will, to this nomination, but they definitely need to make inroads. senator sanders told me in an interview last week that he knows that if he's going to have a chance at winning this democratic nomination he really has to focus on this, but the sanders campaign is in a pretty good spot as they look at this calendar coming up, particularly as they look to nevada. of course, this was a contest where hillary clinton did seem to have a very wide lead, obviously the polling can be a
little bit difficult to pin down, it's a caucus state, there is a lot of mysteries about exactly what's going to happen on saturday night, but the sanders campaign feels much better now than they did a week ago and if you look at his travel schedule over the course of the next day or two, he's hitting a lot of those rural areas, so of course in nevada you have las vegas, you have reno being the two big urban centers, there's also elko and otherwise it's largely rural. that is in many ways the strategy that president obama used in 2008 when he was running. if you will remember hillary clinton won nevada, but president obama then senator obama came out with more delegates. so i think there's a little bit of calculation there and i think there's a real sense that if he is able to pull it out in nevada it will be a real momentum boost that could raise some questions for the clinton campaign going into south carolina. >> all right. kasie hunt in washington, d.c. with the sanders campaign on their way out to nevada later today. thanks for that. now from washington to las
vegas in nevada, that's where alex seitz-wald is tracking the clinton campaign. we learned something interesting last night. we put that polyp that it's basically a dead heat in nevada, nevada the only caucus state in all of the caucuses in 2008 it was the only one that hillary clinton won and yet we learned last night that she is probably not going to be in nevada on saturday when those results are announced, she will already be on her way to texas. is that a sign of the clinton campaign bracing for bad news? >> steve, it's definitely not the sign of a campaign that feels like they want to stick around and give a victory speech for sure. it's something that clinton has not been able to do yet. she had that squeaker of a victory in iowa but she got on a plane and left nor new hampshire, kind of similarly to what she's doing here, in new hampshire she was blown out there. so she's going to move right on to south carolina, texas, march 1st states where she think she has a stronger win. that fits with everybody the campaign has been saying publicly and privately.
they're really down playing expectations here. >> okay. alex seitz-wald in las vegas, thank you for that and kasie hunt as well. later tonight in las vegas hillary clinton and bernie sanders make their final pitches to nevada voters at the msnbc telemundo town hall, jose diaz-balart and chuck todd will be moderator that, that is tonight, 9:00 eastern right here on msnbc. you're not going to want to miss that. meantime leading up to next weekend's primary here in south carolina the next contest after nevada, the democrats continuing to make their pitches to black voters who are expected to make up at least half of the south carolina electorate. right now hillary clinton is leading bernie sanders here among black voters by a 37% margin, you see it up there on your screen, 65 to 28%. this as she makes tackling racial injustice a key part of her campaign trail pitch. >> we need to face the reality of systemic racism. if we are going to be able to
break down the barriers in our economy, our society, in our political system that disproportionately affect african-americans and build those ladders of opportunity in their place. we've got to break down the barriers of big tree. >> and joining. >> he now is south carolina state representative guild da hunter who plans to remain neutral in the democratic race. >> not playing hard to get at all, steve, that's just my pattern, i never endorse. i think it's best for somebody to remain neutral so that -- i like being able to help everyone. >> i like having a neutral observer. we've been talking so much in the run up to south carolina about specifically the black vote here because this will be the first state with a very significant african-american population to vote on the democratic side and the clinton campaign has been making a lot of her advantage we see in the polls with black voters, the sanders campaign saying, look, we know we need to make inroads
but we're making inroads. is that something you are a he seeing here? >> i'd say two things to you, not just the clinton campaign but the media has made a lot of the clinton support among african-american voters. i have seen here in this state inroads that bernie sanders has made in the african-american community. quite frankly he was an unknown quantity, once he had a chance to come in here and start letting black folk know who he is, what he stands for, i think you've seen some change in the numbers. i don't believe that there's any way that secretary clinton will lose here in south carolina, but it is important and i've been saying for months now the margin of victory is important. what bernie sanders has done should not be underestimated as far as outreach in the african-american community. he has support here, it is not -- it is in my opinion not something that he needs to be concerned about winning all of the black vote, i've been saying
for months now -- >> how close could he get it? >> well, i think from what i am observing is that he will probably wind up in double digits here, which in and of itself is a testament to his campaign. now, that is not a victory in the real sense of the word as far as him coming out of south carolina with more delegates, with more of the popular vote than secretary clinton, but i think it does speak to the level of enthusiastic support that senator sanders has here in the state. >> what about the history of the clintons in this state, we think back to 2008, that was an acrimonious campaign, hillary clinton versus barack obama, things were said especially by bill clinton, i think there was a perception when that campaign ended that the clintons had done some real damage to their standing with black voters in south carolina. we're finding out heading into this campaign maybe that wasn't true. >> well, and with all due respect to the media there are a lot of times when things are blown out of proportion. >> by the media, never.
>> heaven forbid that being the case. i don't want to dismiss your point. there are people here who still have strong feelings about what happened in '08, but i believe that for the most part folk have put '08 behind them, we're ready to move forward as a state, as a community, because what we recognize is you can't continue to live in the past. we've got to make sure that regardless of what happened in the past we have a democrat in november who is elected to carry on the work that president obama has done. that is the primary focus for democrats in south carolina. >> and that's interesting because you're mentioning that issue of continuity, that's something that hillary clinton has been tress stressing as well, her closeness to president obama and also, look, bernie sanders five years ago in 2011 a as the 2012 election campaign was approaching was saying somebody should step forward and challenge president obama. she is saying he has not always
been that supportive of president obama. is that causing him any trouble? >> i am very much a support of president obama but let's not pretend he's perfect and has not made mystics. there are people who are not opposed to the comments in a senator sanders made. i think president obama himself would say if he had to do it over again there are some things that he would have done differently. having said that what is important not just in communities of color but for democrats across this country is that the foundation that has been laid in these eight years, almost eight years that the obama administration has been in place, that must continue. and i believe regardless of what happens we will all come around to that point of view. now, my fear is that in the effort to gain votes and win primaries that our democratic candidates will wind up in this slugfest that we are seeing on the republican side. i think that would be one of the worst mistakes that we can make because it will be extremely difficult to bring everybody
together in november if we've had hard feelings. so my challenge to the campaigns, make your co comparisons, sell your candidate but let's not resort -- >> you want to keep it clean. >> not necessarily clean, but let's not be hurtful and distort records in a way that people don't feel the love in november shall we say. >> guild da hunter, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and live pictures right now out of greenville, south carolina. you're looking at them there. that's marco rubio on the stage, the state's governor, nikki haley is up there with him after she introduced him a few minutes ago, republican candidate she just endorsed yesterday in a big last minute move in this state. after the break i'm going to talk with former south carolina governor david beasley all about it.
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at this hour republican presidential candidate john kasich is kicking off a full day of last minute campaigning here in south carolina ahead of saturday's primary. right now the ohio governor is going door to door just outside of charleston in mount pleasant. for more on the primary battle here let me bring in someone who knows a thing or two about south carolina politics, the former governor, republican david beasley joining me now here in columbia. soda city i found out they call this place soda city, u.s.a. governor thanks for taking a few minutes with us. i have to ask you, i mean, you are a former governor, the current governor nikki haley weighs in yesterday, comes out for marco rubio, what impact is that going to have on this race? >> i think it has a tremendous impact. i've been talking with governor haley's office as well as the governor and they've been analyzing out this race, watching it closely and she made a very -- i think a very important decision that will impact the voters of south carolina. she has a lot of influence in
this state and she made a decision and she announced it last night and it will reverberate, no doubt in my mind. >> i held in up earlier, this is the front page of the big paerp down here, swb is quoted saying after this if rubio doesn't move into second place here in south carolina on saturday, he's going to have a hard time moving forward. do you agree with that? >> no, i don't. i think he does not have to move into second place. i think he's definitely from what i'm saying on tracking and trending from what i'm hearing on the campaign trail and talking with senator scott and trey gowdy the crowds are increasin increasing. i think he has to have a substantial showing, he definitely has to be in third, if he can pull off second, wow, i think it may very well be the end of the cruz campaign. >> if rubio if i know is she is ahead of cruz. >> i think cruz is in serious trouble. it is a clear message that the republican voters are thinking that the best candidate to take on trump would be rubio. the most intriguing candidate to
me has been a friend of mine for a long time, his family has been -- no one worked harder in south carolina for jeb bush than i did and i have been amazed at the fact that the jeb bush campaign that is not been able to get momentum. >> what has been the problem there? as you say, 2000 and i think you were governor back then, george w. bush saved his political career in south carolina and jeb can't seem to get traction here? south carolina has corrected a lot of mistakes of iowa and new hampshire in the past. now, some people say that newt gingrich was a phenomenon but he was a he can loel guy, he had been in south carolina for decades, making speeches, he was like a home boy. >> but if it's gingrich in '12 and trump in '16 what does that tell but south carolina? >> well, south carolina is an interesting state. people want to put it in a month owe lit i can category, it's not quite like that. i think it's more reflective of the american people and the republican primary process. trump i think what you're seeing is a frustration by voters across the state, they think that trump will stand strong,
they think he will be tough where he needs to be tough in the world and the many different issues that create a lot of concern among the voters that are mad out there. rubio, on the other hand, you know, some say he is more of a establishment candidate but he's appealing to young people. i think you're seeing the race narrow down to two very strong candidates that will have a great deal of appeal in november. >> we started to get to t i do want to ask you the bush campaign, jeb bush, it's a story here and nationally. what do you think happened? what was missing? >> i don't know. i don't know how to explain it because jeb is a wonderful guy and he would be a great president, but it's just not happening. if it's not going to happen in south carolina, with all of the good will of the bush family and jeb bush has historical roots in terms of his presence in south carolina as a southern governor, so i don't know how do you explain it other than it's just that they may be at the wrong place at the wrong time. can a miracle happen between now
and super tuesday? i don't see it happening in south carolina that's for sure. i think the die a pretty much cast in south carolina. it's going to be trump number one, will it be cruz in second or rubio in second? i don't know. but i think rubio has definitely got the momentum. trump is staying strong. it's going to be interesting to see how he plays. i think he is hedging his bets as to the general election because he's saying certain things when you listen to the words that are appealing to independent and moderate or conservative democratic voters and so he's hedging his bets, we'll see what happens in the next few days. >> all right. david beasley, the former governor, going to get me in trouble with my yankee friends saying new hampshire makes the mistakes. that was his words not mine. thanks for joining us, appreciate that. it was another heated day on the campaign trail between donald trump and ted cruz. we're going to talk with cruz campaign spokesman rick tyler, he is next. plus, we will another big night ahead on msnbc. at 8:00 eastern todnight rachel
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trump as the front runner, but republican candidates are fanning out across south carolina today hoping for a last minute burst of momentum to help us sort through what has been a crazy season of polls is mark murray, nbc news senior political editor live from las vegas. he is out there ahead of tonight's democratic town hall. so, mark, take us through what this means. we see the nbc news "wall street journal" poll come out last night we say, whoa, ted cruz maybe he is taking the lead in this race, two new national polls out this morning, donald trump still ahead comfortably. >> i think the best way to interpret it is that the nbc "wall street journal" poll will either be an outlier and all the other polls including nationally and in south carolina show donald trump with a big lead or is it a possible canary in the coal mine. our nbc "wall street journal" poll came out entirely after that republican presidential debate on saturday where donald trump at the very least got some mixed results. you look at some of the other
national polls that are out today including cbs and half of that poll was conducted before saturday's debate. so i think we need to be able to kind of see even some of the final polls as we head into the final stretch in south carolina in the other national polls, but i'm a big believer that you often look at the totality of the evidence and i think donald trump still your republican presidential front runner, but i also know that the nbc poll is the dbold standard of the national polling. i do think we need to look at those results and say did somebody end up happening at that reel debate. >> that's the national picture. we do also i guess have a pretty good look here in south carolina. we've seen polls come out after saturday's debate here in south carolina and they're showing within this state doesn't look like much of a penalty for trump here. >> that's right. steve. i will no et that we're going to have a brand new nbc "wall street journal" marist poll that will be coming out tomorrow on south carolina on both the
republican and democratic races. it will be mass fact to see what that holds. you're right, that every poll that's out there beyond the nbc "wall street journal" national poll from yesterday has donald trump with a commanding lead in this race. let me add one other point about our nbc "wall street journal" poll on the national side. it has always had a tight screen when it comes to republican voters. the republican half of our polling team, bill mcen turf and his completion, one of the preeminent republican polling firms has always tried to get out a lot of the independents and people who might not participate in republican primaries or caucuses so it is a tight screen of things, but that said it did have donald trump with a 13-point lead a month ago and now ted cruz with the 2 point lead. >> all right. some great context there. mark murray, nbc news senior political editor. we will look for that nbc marist poll on south carolina, too.
thanks for joining us from las vegas. while donald trump has dismissing that new nbc "wall street journal" poll, ted cruz has embracing it. >> for the first time in many months there's a new national front runner on the republican side. so the sound you're hearing is the sound of screams coming from washington, d.c. >> and rick tyler is the communications director for the cruz campaign, he joins us now from houston. rick, thanks for taking a few minutes. i've been showing this all morning, we're here in south carolina and this is the cover of the big paper here in south carolina, i don't know if you can see it, but besides the south carolina women's basketball team it's all about the endorsement yesterday of marco rubio from the governor, nicky haley. i want to get your reaction to that. governor nikki haley endorsing one of your opponents. >> well, governor nikki haley did endorse marco rubio and so
did senator tim scott. that puts a lot of pressure on marco rubio and i will tell you why, because marco rubio who everybody -- their own campaign keeps talking about their momentum, you just heard governor beasley say that in the previous segment, yet they have a third place finish and a fifth place finish and the donors have spent over $50 million on television advertising for marco rubio and they are not looking for a third place finisher or first place finish she are they're looking for a first place finish. is he going to come in first in any of the sec primary states? remember, these early states you can concentrate and be in those states and come march 1 you've got over more than ten states all going at the same time and how is he going to compete in those states? it does not like to me like he's got the ground game and turn out organization. if he can't turn out a win in south carolina i don't see the path forward for marco rubio.
>> what about for you guys, though? a lot of people say ted cruz won iowa, he won a caucus state with a heavy population of evangelical voters, he went into new hampshire it's basically the most secular state in the country, okay, he did all right in new hampshire, wasn't going to win there. comes down to south carolina now we're again talking about a gel russ state, a state where it's going to be 60% plus evangelical. these polls show you guys getting pete by double digits here. doesn't that say there is a sign of trouble for your campaign? >> well, steve, we always started out as the underdog campaign, no one gave us a chance. we were down 4 points in iowa, the des moines register poll and ended up winning by just about the same. so that was quite a shift. i credit that toward the 16,000 volunteers that we had in iowa and we had a camp cruz there, in new hampshire we had the same thing, we came in third in the most secular state in the country. we always said we need to win one early state or place second
or third in two out of three. we've already done that and so if we -- i think we will do well in south carolina. last week alone we knocked on 100,000 doors. i'm very proud of our volunteers down there, over 10,000 volunteers, we make 20,000 phone calls a day. we have a great ground game. i'm hoping that will make up the difference and we will do well in south carolina. >> i just wonder, think about the evangelical voter here right now who, let's say is, saying they're for donald trump, with he see polls that show donald trump leading among evangelicals in south carolina big. i will give you an opportunity here, talk to that voter right now, an evangelical voter in south carolina who is leaning towards donald trump. what do you say to that voter to get them away from trufr and on to cruz? >> here is what i say to the evangelical voter, we've waited for a long time to get a real conservative in there, someone who will not just talk about life but someone who has a record of standing for life. and ted cruz voted against a budget the cr that included
funding for planned parenthood, marco rubio voted for that budget and donald trump stood on the debate stage last week and so unfortunately gave praise to planned parenthood praised to planned parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the united states, you cannot be frond vot parenthood or say that planned parenthood does wonderful things. ted cruz has a track record for pro life, for marriage, he's a heart for the christian and his father is an ordained minister. we've worked hard for the evangelical voter and we'll continue to do that. it's not locked up for us, by any means, but we're working to get that vote. i would say this is a chance that we've had in a long time to actually nominate a president who will be proactive on the life issue. >> all right. rick tyler from the ted cruz campaign, thanks for your time. appreciate that. >> thanks, steve. live pictures right now from
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he's trying to get that enthusiasm to the polls but some of his campaign volunteers are not able to vote yet and instead they are trying to get others out there to feel the bern. jacob is there. what is that all about? >> reporter: good morning, steve. welcome to las vegas, my friend. you're talking about these young volunteers who cannot vote. they are super geeky college students and they are here in vegas volunteering. i'm here to talk to somebody who is spending her time and energy volunteering for the campaign even though she's not going to be able to vote for bernie sanders on election day. a simple question is, you're a dreamer. you're undocumented. >> right. >> reporter: so you can't vote? >> i cannot, no.
>> reporter: what are you doing working here for a guy wanting to be president when you can't even vote? >> to remind my friends to get out there and vote and they know for me to get ahead, this is important for me and my family. >> reporter: how many people do you think are like you, dreamers, undocumented americans volunteering for presidential campaigns? >> there's a lot. there's a lot of folks undocumented folks working with campaigns too. >> reporter: tell me the story about how you crossed without papers, how you came across the border illegally. >> yep. i remember this day. it was later at night. we were in a really big van. i want to say about a 15-passenger van, right? my mom was sitting to my left and it was so hot. i still remember that day. it was so, so hot. and i asked my mom, do you want to trade because my little brother was so little. so we traded -- we traded seats
and she sat there and i remember it being so, so hot that day. when i wake up, i wake up to us -- to immigration catching us. so we had to get out of the van and we had to stand like in formation and after they counted us, they take us in a bus to a detention center. >> when you think back on all of that and now you're here today working for this campaign, i don't know, what does it mean to you to work on this? >> the reason why i'm really excited to do it was because of my mom and my dad. i don't want to live in fear again. >> reporter: obviously, steve, liz will be watching our democratic town hall here in las vegas tonight with bernie sanders and hillary clinton very closely. i also spoke time with dreamers on the hillary clinton side.
we'll have more in the next hour with craig melvin so don't miss it. >> all right. jacob soboroff in front of the iconic las vegas sign. that wraps up this hour live in the tap room in the state capital of south carolina, columbia. i'm steve kornacki. craig melvin is up next in lexington, south carolina. we'll be keeping a close eye on that. msnbc, the place for poll kicks. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, and the lowest taxes in decades, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in the hudson valley, with world class biotech. and on long island, where great universities are creating next generation technologies.
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and republicans finally getting their chance to say something. let's show you exactly where we are again. we are in the city of lexington, the town of lexington, specifically. population of about 275,000 right smack in the middle of the state, i actually grew up and went to church not far from where i sit right now. more on that a little later. we've been talking about south carolina's near perfect record at picking the candidate who goes on to get the nomination. 46 counties in south carolina. lexington is one of the largest and also one of the two most conservative. this county boast as 100% accuracy rating in choosing the candidate who carries this state. they've never gotten it wrong. if they want to keep that unblemished record, voters here will have to back donald trump. the billionaire businessman leaves everyone else in the dust. double-digit leads in both surveys with ted cruz struggling to hang on to second.
today, the drop down and knockout fight between trump and cruz will continue all because of this cruz tv ad featuring a 1999 interview on "meet the press" when trump calls himself, quote, very pro choice. trump sent a cease and desist order but the senator said, bring it on. >> i've had great success in business. i've had great success with lawsuits. >> you have been threatening frivolous lawsuits for your entire adult life. >> i don't know that we're going to have a lawsuit but we want to keep somebody honest. >> file a lawsuit. >> when he says i'm pro life and he's not pro life. he can't say that. >> donald trump and any lawyer that signs his name to the pleadings will be charged with filing false litigation. >> so that battle continues today with more than a dozen campaign events all over the state. meanwhile, already this morning we've seen marco rubio out in
force with his newest supporter, south carolina governor nikki haley. hoping that this will help sway undecided voters but as the clock winds down, more and more people are beginning to make up their mind. let's get to our team on the ground. katy tur and gabe gutierrez, again, that big endorsement yesterday. what's the campaign saying? what are they telling you about how they plan to take advantage of that big endorsement? >> reporter: good morning, craig. this town hall event just wrapped up here in greenville. the marco rubio campaign feels like it has its wind at its back. they have been courting this endorsement for quite a while. it came yesterday afternoon. and it's very notable here, craig, that after several days of the war of words between marco rubio and ted cruz and donald trump, a very positive message coming from the campaign today. marco rubio even -- somebody
shouted out that hillary clinton was a trader. marco rubio said i wouldn't go that far. he launched into his trump speech about why she was not qualified to be president but tried to keep an overwhelmingly positive message. here's the thing about the nikki haley endorsement. it was also the endorsement of rick scott. this could be the new face of the gop. a 44-year-old cuban-american senator. and now nikki haley, governor of indian descent. they feel that this trio can unite the party and even grow the party. so could be a very significant jolt here. the question, however, is how much will her endorsement really make a difference? she endorsed mitt romney back in 2012 and the question now is, you know, will it make much of a difference? it was ultimately newt gingrich winning that primary. i spoke to an aide with senator ted cruz this morning and the cruz campaign now is -- they are
seeking to downplay expectations. they are saying that marco rubio with all this establishment support, with the endorsement of nikki haley, that the rubio campaign now needs to win in south carolina. that's at least the expectations that ted cruz -- the cruz campaign is putting on the marco rubio campaign. the rubio campaign is not playing that game. they are just saying that they need to finish strong here in south carolina but certainly the nikki haley endorsement seems to be a big jolt for this campaign. craig, back to you. >> all right. gabe gutierrez in greenville, thank you. katy tur is in the upstate where we'll see donald trump at the top of the hour. as i'm sure you know and the trump campaign knows, this is theirs to lose in the palmetto state. what can we expect today? >> reporter: we're actually in the low country. we'll be up to gaffney later.
the campaign is feeling very confident and believe they will be winning here in south carolina. they like their poll numbers and they are up 16 to 19 points depending on which they believe the numbers could be low. they could actually be doing better than those poll numbers show at the moment. so they are feeling very good right now. there's been an argument about temperaments on the campaign trail for months and months now. we've heard ted cruz criticize him yesterday saying that he showed his temperament on stage at the debate on saturday and that was not the temperament for the commander-in-chief. last night on the town hall with joe and mika. take a listen. >> our country doesn't win anymore. you're so worried about being nice and politically correct. what would you rather have me
do, the people still hammering me -- >> it's not what i want or she wants. the question is, do you have the temperament. >> yes. >> to deal day in and day out -- >> finger on the button. >> finger on the button. okay. >> because during the debate, this guy had his finger on the button. >> during the debate, hit by the announcers, john dickerson, everybody was sort of being called to go after trump. they were asking -- your brother was told to do this and this by donald trump and they have to respond. i was being hit by everybody. finger on the button. i'm the only one who said don't go into iraq. so don't tell me about finger on the button. >> temperament, language, it's all of these things that donald trump has been criticized for but he does say that he will change if he gets into office. he won't be seconding those late-night tweets, he won't be using the same stark language that he's used in the past and said he won't be swearing on the trail anymore. so donald trump taking those
critics head-on at least when it comes to swearing but said he would be a different leader if he actually did get into office. >> no more swearing from donald trump. katy tur live in kiawah, thank you. trump is leading in south carolina polls but there's more uncertainty about who is leading the national republican race. check this out. a new poll from the nbc and "wall street journal" showing ted cruz in the lead for the first time this year. snapping donald trump's streak of first place in the last 31 consecutive polls. but before cruz can wave the victory fr victory flag, trump is out in front with a healthy margin. a new poll shows trump leading by 17. usa today has trump leading by 15. to break it down, here's political respond steve kornacki not far from us in columbia.
how can we explain the discrepancy or can we? >> reporter: there's a couple ways to look at it, craig. look, this poll that has ted cruz polling ahead, it could signal that there's been some kind of real, serious, significant change in the race. and if there was, you might point to that debate last saturday night. that was the debate where donald trump made the very blunt comments about george w. bush, about 9/11, about the iraq war, something that got a lot of republicans vocally upset at trump. this poll was conducted entirely after that debate. maybe there was some kind of movement as a result of that. but as you say, look, there are two other national polls out this morning and it does not like like they were both conducted entirely after the debate. we should point that out. two other polls show a very, very different result. there are also a number of polls just here in south carolina this week that were conducted after that debate that are not showing any slippage and still showing
him comfortably ahead. the poll is an outlier. sometimes that happens. that's what it is. an inexplicable thing. one thing we do know is every campaign is going to launch onto the poll that gives you the best news for that campaign. ted cruz says he's got the momentum, the lead in the national poll, the reagan coalition is coming back together and you've got the trump campaign out there saying ignore that poll, look at the other ones. >> the other ones. steve kornacki, steve, thank you, sir. president obama saying today that he will be traveling to cuba next month. he will become the first sitting president in nearly a century to visit the communist island. don't expect ted cruz or marco rubio to do the same if they win the presidential race. >> i'll tell you, the problem with the cuban government is not just a communist dictatorship.
>> i was saddened to hear that i wasn't surprised. >> nbc's ron allen joins us live from the white house. ron, why now? why the timing? >> reporter: well, this is something the president wants to do before he leaves office. it's something that he's been working on now for more than a year when he first announced that he was going to begin the normalization process and meet with the cuban president raul castro back in september of 2014. this is the next logical step. the question, of course, is whether the time is right or not and you heard what opponents like marco rubio and ted cruz and others have had to say that this is the not the time to award the castro regime or the time to even engage them. but the president basically feels that after 50 years of an embargo and strained relations, that type of nonengagement has not worked to change the regime. he wants to change it now. the announcement about the trip was made in a tweet. i believe we have a full stream that says, in quote, the president and first lady will
travel to cuba march 21st and 22nd. mr. obama also said that we still have differences with the cuban government and i will raise directly. america will always stand for human rights around the world. there are other messages. we hear that at about 12:30 this afternoon, the president's deputy national security adviser, ben rhodes, who has championed this cause, will make the announcement and provide more details about why now, why the president is going to cuban in march. craig, back to you. >> ron allen from 1600 pennsylvania this morning, ron, thanks, as always. a big meeting about to get under way for bernie sanders in his push to connect with black voters. he'll be meeting with civil rights leaders with the national league in washington, d.c., and we expect to hear from bernie sanders before and after that meeting. all of this before he heads out for the las vegas showdown tonight with hillary clinton. both trying to break the dead heat ahead of the nevada caucus. don't miss the democratic town hall tonight at 9:00 eastern
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with just two days to go until nevada's democratic presidential caucus, there's a lot riding on tonight's democratic town hall here on msnbc. hillary clinton and bernie sanders locked in a dead heat there. in just minutes, again, we are expecting to hear from bernie sanders who is meeting with black leaders in the nation's capital right now. andrea mitchell, host of "andrea mitchell reports" is in las vegas following the clinton campaign. meanwhile, msnbc's kasie hunt is in d.c. andrea, let me start with you there in sin city.
what is hillary clinton's closing strategy, now that we see that race in a virtual dead heat? >> they have lost 24, 25 points, according to most accounts, although the polling here is very hard to nail down with any precision, it is a caucus state and it is a large state. but the fact is that, by their own account, they have lost a big lead. ever since the iowa results and the devastating new hampshire results last week. so she's trying to nail down her base minorities and even stopped overnight in the laundry room of her hotel to talk to the folks on the overnight shift. it's a union tas that endorsed mer but there's the kmikt message of bernie sanders. you know, she was at the south side of chicago last -- yesterday and last night talking
to african-american voters, talking about racial barriers, criticizing sanders for, in her view, being late to these conversations about bringing down barriers of discrimination, even though sanders made the point that he was washing with the civil rights with dr. king and others in the civil rights movement back in the '60s. so this is where they are going head-to-head with minority voters. he's trying to do what barack obama did, go to the rural parts of nevada, go north and pile up delegates in these caucuses even if she does get the popular vote. it will be very close and, by her own schedule, she's leaving for texas saturday night and it's not clear that that is going to be after the results are in. remember, she left for new hampshire before all the final tallying in iowa. it doesn't appear to be like a campaign ready for a victory statement. craig? >> andrea, thank you. kasie hunt is standing by in our
nation's capital where we're expecting to hear from bernie sanders at any moment now. what do you think we'll hear from the nar before and after the meeting? >> reporter: craig, that's right. senator sanders meeting here at the washington office of the urban league with some of the same leaders that hillary clinton met with earlier this week, including al sharpton. he, of course, trying to make his pitch to them that they should get behind his candidacy. a little bit of an uphill battle, frankly. hillary clinton has had decades long relationships with these leaders in the politics and she's been accusing sanders of being late to this issue. the sanders campaign knowing that they have to court african-american and latino voters rather than just a handful of wins in these early primary states. i spoke to senator sanders a
week or soi ago and he said he knows that. he's trying to do well in nevada and make inroads in south carolina. take a listen to what senator sanders had to say about that. >> we are reaching out to working class people, black, white, latino, people who maybe in the past have not participated in the political process, have not voted in a primary but doing that very aggressively in south carolina. and i think at the end of the day we are going to do a lot, lot better than people thought -- >> he talked about reaching out to working-class people. that's a foundation of their strategy. you talk to the sanders campaign and they will point out that they won every group of people in new hampshire who made less than $200,000 a year. they are also winning working-class white voters.
that's an important part of their coalition here and that, of course, was a group with hillary clinton in 2008 and not with barack obama. craig? >> all right. kasie hunt in d.c. and andrea mitchell in vegas, a big thanks to both of you. we'll be hearing so much more from the democrats in a town hall tonight. coming up, what voters thought about donald trump in lexington and what voters thought in charleston. chris jansing is joining us next from charleston. 80% of women say a healthy lifestyle is a priority.
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lexington county, south carolina. we're at a flight deck restaurant, a spot that's been here for 24 years, almost 25 years. i have eaten many a lunch at the flight deck restaurant. they do a great club sandwich here. we're going to be talking to folks throughout the day. again, in case you're just joining us, we spend a lot of time talking about how accurate south carolina has been at picking presidents. lexington county, 100%. they have never gotten it wrong in the gop presidential nominations, we should note. the fella they have typically picked, because they have been fellas, goes on to win the nomination. donald trump is enjoying that commanding double-digit lead in the two most recent polls of south carolina and in a town hall last night, trump did not
pull any punches when talking about immigration specifically, the economy and his rivals, talking up his chances of winning the nomination. >> i will have more crossover votes if i get the nomination. i will have more crossover votes than anybody who has ever run for office. i'll have democrat votes, independent votes, i will do tremendously with crossover. and one other thing, i will have states that nobody ever thought of getting in terms of a republican. >> i-26, go two hours, you'll find chris jansing in charleston. she spoke to some of the folks there to hear about what trump had to say. chris, what did they think? >> well, i was so curious, craig, to find out, like, did he change any minds? what were they looking for from him? would they vote for him? this wouldn't the most friendly in south carolina but i think trump is right. one of the things that has been so surprising to a lot of people is a number of people, on both
sides of the aisle, who seem to like what he has to say. you're in a room with him up close and personal. his rallies are huge. it's a rare opportunity for these voters to be able to sit down, 150 were in the audience, to be able to have a chance not just to hear and see him but to ask him questions and then as they were coming out, i asked them what they thought. here are some of the answers. >> well, i thought that his presentation was not specific. >> what did you guys think? >> it was great. it was fun. >> reporter: did he win you over? >> he brought me a lot closer, which was not a likely thing to happen. >> he definitely played to the crowd. >> reporter: did he win you over? >> no. >> reporter: if there's one thing i heard consistently is people thought he lacked specificity in a lot of his answers and that's been a knock on him. as you know, it hasn't hurt him. he's someone who says he's going
to make things better with so much conviction that it seems to be winning over a lot of people. i wouldn't say, though, that he changed any minds significantly in that small sample of people i talked to coming out of that town hall. >> chris, i know you also asked some of the folks there if nikki haley's endorsement yesterday of marco rubio, if that would sway him at all. what did they say? >> reporter: now, this really surprised me because this was an endorsement that every single candidate wanted. in facts, even jeb bush told peter alexander the day before it happened that this would be the critical endorsement. a lot of people still saying that it could be a game changer for marco rubio. but the folks inside that room said wonderful things about the governor, as you well know. she's had a rough year, a lot of things have happened in this state that have been difficult. even people who didn't vote for her said they've been impressed by wait she's handled things.
at least in that group and a few other people i've talked to since then, they have said the endorsement is not going to change minds. that's not the conventional wisdom. to be in the mark three, marco rubio may have been pushed over the top by nikki haley. having said that, always a caution this is a year when you think you know what is going to happen, the old rules don't apply. we won't know for about 48 from now. craig? >> yes. what you just said jives from what i heard at a restaurant not far from here. we'll show people what they say but voters in south carolina pride themselves on being independent-minded, saying that they love the governor, think she's done a great job but the endorsement meant nothing to them. so -- >> reporter: and a lot of late deciders. >> yes. yes. chris jansing there in charleston. thank you. up next, i'll check in directly with voters of south
carolina with the panel of young republicans and democratics. in fact, they just pulled up. one fellow wearing the official uniform of students, a pair of salmon-colored pants. i have one myself. he'll join us nearby. as you can see at the bottom of the screen, bernie sanders at a civil rights meeting with black leaders. we'll update you on that. this is msnbc, the mace for politics. if you run everyday, or if you're young or old. no matter who you are a heart attack can happen without warning. if you've had a heart attack, a bayer aspirin regimen can help prevent another one. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. bayer aspirin.
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towards kasich. >> you're going to have to vote whoever the nominee is. >> reporter: so you're prepared for a hold your nose vote in november? >> just about, yes. >> who are you going to vote for. >> carson. >> reporter: really? >> yes. i like carson. >> i can't deal with trump at all. >> reporter: why? >> he's just too much. i don't think he knows the issues. i don't think he has what it takes to be president. it's not -- my way or the highway doesn't work in real life, in government. i would go for kasich or bush. >> reporter: the endorsement of the governor yesterday, you perhaps heard that nikki haley
came out -- >> i don't care. >> reporter: i didn't even finish the question. >> we're slightly opinionated at this table. >> reporter: a lively discussion there a short time ago, a group of voters here in lexington. that's a place called lizard's thick. it's around south carolina owned by the williams family. bobby williams is going to introduce lindsey graham shortly and lindsey graham will be introducing jeb bush a short time from now. very connected politically here in south carolina. it's also the place where i took my wife to meet my family many, many years ago when we came here to south carolina. so my favorite breakfast joint here in the palmetto state, also a spot where we've seen many republican candidates stop as well and college students as well. i'm joined by a group of south carolina college students, megan
taylor, a bernie sanders supporter, mary supporting hillary clinton, ana chapman, a donald trump supporter. i want you to step out so folks can see your pants before we start talking. you don't see this much. >> well, thank you. >> reporter: that's the official uniform of a south carolina student. >> absolutely. >> reporter: let's talk about your candidate. why marco rubio? >> so, marco rubio is an all around conservative with an optimistic view for the future of our country. i think it's important to vote for someone who has a positive outlook. i'm optimistic he'll do well and the people in south carolina will vote for him based on his record as a conservative in the senate. >> some of the folks that i spoke to said he thought he was
too young, too inexperienced and maybe even a tad too ambitious as well. >> well, if you look at his record, i think it speaks for itself. unlike other conservatives who may be bogged down by ideology, marco rubio is not willing to compromise his principles but he's willing to work across the aisle. >> reporter: ana, why are you a trump support? >> my main reason is because he's self-funded. >> reporter: because he's a millionaire? >> well, that and because he wants to put america first. >> what does that mean? when you try to pin him down on specifics, precisely mr. trump, how do you want to make america better, there is more rhetoric, oftentimes. >> that's true. but the policies that he has put out, for example, like taxing people who move their business
to mexico, putting a 30% tax on that, no other candidate is proposing anything of that nature. >> reporter: where are you from? >> lawrence. >> reporter: i'm from columbia. do you find sometimes that the way he says things is perhaps a tad offputting to polite southerners? >>. >> yes and no. i think he's resonating more with people. i think a lot of polite southerners like his brashness and his ability to tell it like it is, i guess. >> reporter: megan, bernie sanders? >> bernie sanders. i'm supporting bernie sanders and working for his campaign because i like that he looks at the issues that americans are faci
facing wholistically, keeping americans being able to reach their full potential. so you don't tackle one issue, education, without tackling the other, being poverty. so when you do that, you don't leave these gaps that let more americans fall through and end up not being able to reach the american dream. and so that's really why i've been supporting him and working hard for his campaign. >> reporter: he's an admitted socialist. that doesn't typically play well in these parts. >> it does not. but especially since we haven't been polled in south carolina since the beginning of january, he's come up to a 41% polling in south carolina, which is incredible. i've never seen that kind of a jump in polling for somebody doing such low numbers. that's a 20% jump in a month and a half. that's impressive for me. >> mary stewart, you are a hillary clinton support,
correct? >> i am. >> reporter: how concerned are you that there could be an 11th hour rally by bernie sanders? >> i'm not worried at all. hillary is going to be able to pull it out in south carolina. >> reporter: what is it about hillary clinton? are you an excited hillary clinton voter or -- >> no. i'm an excited hillary clinton supporter because democrats are in trouble. we have republican candidates who are currently trying to out-gop the other and go so far as to strip americans millions of americans, men and women, for their right to access safe and affordable health care, going so far as to challenge the supreme court for their ruling on marriage equality and that's something that we just can't afford and i trust hillary clinton more than any candidate to make sure that does not happen. >> reporter: which one are usc students?
columbia college? >> yes. >> reporter: megan, mary, ed, ana, thank you all. >> thank you. another live look there in washington, d.c., and you can see that bernie sanders, again, is at the key meeting under way between bernie sanders and black leaders at the national urban league, also the national action network as well. we're going to hear from bernie sanders in just a moment. this is msnbc, the place for politics. you're an at&t small business expert? sure am. my staff could use your help staying in touch with customers. at&t can help you stay connected. am i seeing double? no ma'am. our at&t 'buy one get one free' makes it easier for your staff to send appointment reminders to your customers... ...and share promotions on social media? you know it! now i'm seeing dollar signs. you should probably get your eyes checked. good one babe. optometry humor. right now get up to $650 in
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getting to where they need to go, slowly but surely. >> let's keep hanging in there. that little engine that can, and it's really cool to see the sun starting to come up and the recognition starting to register, which we have not seen. >> the sun starting to come up. that positive tift echoed in the state newspaper, the second largest here in south carolina. on saturday, they can vote for candidate who is are angry or scream for change or voters can choose john kasich, a candidate whose leadership approach has delivered results. south carolina state represent david clary endorsed john kasich months ago. let's start with the idea of endorsements here. do they move the needle at all? for example, do you get a significant bump from the state? do you get a significant bump
from a nikki haley endorsement? >> good morning, craig. i think when you talk about endorsements it's really important for candidates to have the support of, say, a governor or the state newspaper. it draws attention to the campaign and, as you mentioned, i've endorsed governor kasich months ago. i met him back in august and just felt like after looking at all of the candidates and meeting all of them but one that he was the man for me and for america. >> he really has carved out the niche as being the positive candidate. i want to talk to you about that positive tift, that not only is he staying above the fray, he's reflecting what he's hearing from the voters. take a listen. >> you know, they say there's all this anger and -- i don't find it out there. how about fear? i feel that there are people who
are nervous about donald trump and bernie sanders says he's a socialist and with hillary, her problem is people don't trust her. >> that hasn't picked up much traction in our state. why not? >> well, craig, i think it remains to be scene whether or not this positive message is going to result in votes at the poll because our polling in a whid variety has shown governor kasich to be surging. the "usa today" poll shows him leading as much as any other candidate and then a poll overnight shows him in a third-place tie with senator rubio. and we're going to have him here this afternoon and let the
people here in the upstate and the congressional district and he's really gaining traction. when i walked in the studio here this morning, people told me that they are tired of the negativity. they look forward to this positive message and that's what has impressed them about governor kasich. >> representative gary clary wearing his clemson tie, we didn't even get a chance to talk about tiger football. we'll do that next time. how about it? >> all right. thanks a lot. i had to run up against steve kornacki's gear. >> steve wears whatever state he's in, he typically wears the logo. minutes from now, donald trump kicking off another rally here in south carolina.
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back now in lexington, south carolina, i'm joined by a republican political consultant, also works for a company called campaign grid, digital advertising. you know south carolina's politics better than most. donald trump looks like he's going to walk away with it on saturday. >> uh-huh. >> so what can we attribute that? don't just say anger or frustration. beyond that. >> look, he has an advantage of
being this known commodity of having won in a couple other states. donald trump is almost a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point. he was the front-runner and he remains the front-runner and no one has done a lot to take it away from him. my prediction is he will underperform in south carolina. >> really? >> yes. i think he'll win but not as much as everyone is thinking. >> you don't think it's a two-to-one margin? >> i do not. >> do we think marco rubio gets a boost from nikki haley in the last two or three days? >> yeah, absolutely. i think it moves the needle not just because she's a popular governor in this state but also because of the fact that rubio has created this momentum for himself. he had a very good debate, trey gowdy on his side, tim scott on his side and most recently nikki haley coming out to endorse him creates the movement that voters like. >> is saturday the last day for the jeb bush campaign? >> it's hard to believe that it would be the last day for the
jeb bush campaign because right to rise has so much money. we haven't even gotten to florida yet. >> but can he go to florida if he's polling in single digits? is it reasonable to expect that jeb bush would risk losing his home state and drop out before that? >> i don't know. i have a hard time believing that he's going to drop out. >> here's a guy that is polling really well with evangelical voters in south carolina, not a guy that you would think would poll really well with evangelical voters in south carolina. how do they square their faith with donald trump? >> i think what they are looking for there is a significant portion of the evangelical voters believe that their faith is being threatened, under attack, whatever you want to call it. whether or not that is true or not, that's their perception. they feel that even though donald trump may not speak the language with regard to
christianity sometimes, he's a guy that is going to stand up for them. >> all right. joel sawyer, the music has started. that's our queue. also, a heck of a video game player as well. >> yep. >> msnbc live in lexington, south carolina, much, much more from lexington. i'm craig melvin. see you back here this afternoon at 3:00 eastern. tamron hall up next, just over the bridge.
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big developments. among those developments, it's been nearly 24 hours now since ted cruz challenged donald trump to bring it on to sue him. south carolina's popular governor nikki haley has endorsed marco rubio, dealing a blow to jeb bush who admits he's greatly disappointed about not getting that endorsement. also this morning, our nbc/"the wall street journal" poll showing trump second. he's two points behind senator cruz in that poll taken, by the way, keep this in mind, after saturday's debate when donald trump was booed by what he called the donor class in the audience. but a cbs poll out this morning, well, it shows trump leading nationally by 17 points. i realize now you have whiplash and that poll was conducted from
last friday through tuesday. meanwhile, trump leading anywhere from 16 to 19 points. donald trump is about to hold his first event of the day, a town hall in south carolina. we'll have the very latest. you can see another packed room. let's go to nbc's katy tur live from the campaign. i understand, yet again, we start the day with trump being very busy on social media, twitter, specifically. he's going after cruz but no sign of that lawsuit yet. >> reporter: yeah. he's agreeing with marco rubio saying that ted cruz is a liar. yesterday, this reached a creshendo as ted cruz's team resisted the cease and desist order that basically questions who donald trump would nominate for a supreme court justice,
using a clip from back in 1999 where there was a clip saying that he was very, very pro choice. in the past years, certainly since he's started campaigning, he's said that he is pro life. he says it's dishonest of cruz to use those words because it's no longer his words. ted cruz said i challenge you to sue me. you don't have any legal ground to stand on. donald trump released a statement saying, if i want to bring a lawsuit, it would be legitimate. likewise, if i want to bring a lawsuit regarding senator cruz being a natural-born canadian, lee do so. time will tell, teddy. and then afterwards at the rallies, we didn't hear much from donald trump on the subject of ted cruz, seeming to brush off ted cruz's fire, regarding it more as something that came to a meh in comparison to ted cruzes fiery press conference yesterday. we saw him attack him on social media saying he agreed with marco rubio. the rubio campaign also now
angry over photo shopped images that they believe ted cruz's campaign is behind, the dirty politics of south carolina going on. ted cruz seems to be the target of all of this. not the target but the one who is perpetuating all of this. right now, ted cruz has a lot of ways to go to match donald trump in the polling. that could be why we're seeing all of this drama between the two candidates but donald trump, as you said, certainly on top at least as of now. >> and you know what we say, south carolina politics and the dirtiness that goes on in this amazing state. but in reality, these allegations started in iowa. we have to start saying dirty politics across the board if this continues. we'll talk more about that, katy. thank you. governor nikki haley's endorsement would be the most meaningful endorsement that there is. what is next for jeb bush? he's set to host a town hall
here in columbia, not far from where we are. he's pressing ahead defiantly after governor haley announced yesterday in a surprise that she would be endorsing senator rubio, only 24 hours after bush praised what her endorsement would mean to him. >> we say that every day is a great day in south carolina. ladies and gentlemen, if we elect marco rubio, every day will be a great day in america. help me nominate the next president of the united states. let's go to the polls on saturday and vote for marco rubio! >> one had to wonder what was going through jeb bush's mind when he saw the two of them together and he had to acknowledge the setback during his town hall yesterday. here's what he said. >> i'm disappointed. she's a very good governor and
she's a great person. >> she's a great person. i'm disappointed she didn't endorse me. >> joining me now is michael steele, a senior adviser to jeb bush's campaign. michael, thanks for joining me. all right. let's start with what jeb bush called a meaningful endorsement. when did you get the news, when did the campaign get the news that marco rubio would get it? >> obviously we're disappointed but we're proud of the endorsements that we have, senator lindsey graham, the top national security expert in the senate, over 40 retired admirals and generals believing that jeb bush has a record of achievement to be the next commander-in-chief. >> michael, you just completely avoided my question in saying, when did you get the word and when jeb bush calls it a meaningful endorsement, i know you just listed a laundry list of those that are of value as well but they are not governor
nikki haley, a potential vp candidate in your party? >> well, this is a governor who endorsed mitt romney before the last time around. >> so are you saying she picks losers? >> my point is that we're excited to have the support of everyone we can in south carolina. we're proud of the endorsements that we have because this is the most military friendly state in the country and jeb bush is ready to be commander-in-chief. >> you had the former president here, barbara bush here, you've had the family unit show up and -- >> i think we had a great debate on saturday here in south carolina. i think that we saw yet again that jeb bush is the only guy willing to take on donald trump in the field and i think that we're ready for talking about a real record of achievement through eight hurricanes, south carolina knows something about hurricanes and they know that eight hurricanes and four tropical storms in two years is an extraordinary challenge and
jeb bush overcame it. >> he talked about his experience as governor of florida and it's not moved the needle. the former president, jorggeorg bush discussed that as well. it's not moved the needle. why? >> i think we're very much in the mix along with some of the candidates -- >> you're still in single digits. >> in some of them. in some we're in the mid-teens. >> okay. >> i think we have a number of polls with different results. we're looking forward to saturday night and, in the meantime, working hard to win every vote here. >> let's say you come out fourth, fifth. is it over for jeb bush? >> i think we're looking forward to a good result and go on from there. >> what is a good result? >> positioning us to move into nevada. >> what does that mean? i'll keep going. is that fourth? >> we want every single south carolina voter we can get because they know that jeb bush is ready to be commander in chief. >> does fourth or fifth place get you to the next event?
>> we'll do the best we can. >> you're not going to answer in? >> i'm looking forward to going to nevada. >> last summer when it was the summer of trump and all of the money was flooding in to jeb bush and the confidence was high, when you look at where you are now -- and it's not going to be a game-changer, how do you describe it? >> i think it's been a frustrating year. i don't think anyone saw the donald trump phenomenon coming. you need a conservative candidate with a real record of results. i think jeb bush has that as well as detailed plans to make our country stronger and freer and that's what we're talking about here in south carolina. >> so far, has his experience mattered to the voters? it's clear from the results that it has not? >> i think everyone make as decision differently but it's clear here if you're not going to be -- the ultimate goal here is to beat hillary clinton or
bernie sanders and elect the next president of the united states. we don't think you can do that if you have a candidate who doesn't have a real record of experience. >> i'll try again. fourth or fifth, do you go on? >> we're looking forward to saturday night and nevada after that and the march states. >> i'm going to call you saturday night to see what you say. thank you, pleasure to have you on, michael steel. joining me now is elise jordan, former adviser to senator rand paul's campaign. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me, tamron. >> let's look at some of the things happening in this campaign and you have, for example, the new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll out. donald trump is slamming it. the republican pollster behind it is saying that this could be an outlier but also could signal that they are on top of a shift in the campaign after the debate in south carolina where donald trump took on the bush family
legacy, specifically, george w. bush. >> it's interesting because it's the first poll after the saturday night debate and i wanted to see how much -- the question everyone's been wondering about is how much impact will donald trump's conspiratorial attack on president bush have on his standing and it will be interesting in south carolina, even though trump is in double digits and he's ahead, it may not be enough to blunt him but i think it was a turning point within the race just really challenging republican voters and the party orthodoxy and the legacy of president george w. bush, too. >> i want to play this ad at the center of the lawsuit, an ad that trump is very
upset about. let's play a little bit of it. >> we're just one supreme court justice away from losing them all. >> would president trump ban partial birth abortions?
>> look, i'm very pro choice. >> but would you not ban it? >> no. i am pro choice in every respect. >> we cannot trust donald trump. >> obviously it would be a frivolous lawsuit here, ted cruz says. does this matter in south carolina or perhaps even beyond now that
we've seen this momentous event of the passing of justice scalia? >> it's interesting because donald trump loves to use the courts, he loves to sue and traditionally, within the republican party, something that the republicans have stood against is, you know, they've stood for tort reform. so trump is just completely turned up so much in upheaval and what i do find ironic about it, though, is that ted cruz saw this coming and for months and months ted cruz chose to placate donald trump. he chose to be his buddy. he chose to hold his fire and now that it's coming directly at him and he said recently in an interview last night, i think,
with hallie jackson, that he assumed that the relationship would eventually sour and so now he is really experiencing the brunt of trump's attacks and is also firing back but is it a little too late? and would this have had more impact if he had stood for something earlier in the race? >> well, it's also interesting at this point and may not be enough time for cruz if he is to close the gap for him to do this but when you look at this lawsuit and to your point about tort reform and already if you look at social media, there's a laundry list of other lawsuits. i believe it's over 100, that donald trump had filed. but in the end, who has won this battle and does it appear as if -- if donald trump is the bully, that the cruz campaign and others have alleged, he's been hit back with his own words. he's been hit back with the sumi and he's done nothing. >> i think trump wins because he gets publicity out of it which
alt the end of the day is what he wants and which is why he's been able to run an effective and low-cost campaign. it's been baffling about this race for republican operatives on so many of these campaigns just because finding an effective way to attack trump has been so difficult and that's what cruz is grappling with right now. >> you know, that's interesting. actually, we still have michael steel back. michael, she makes the point when you look at dollar for dollar and this was another attack that trump launched on jeb bush, how much money jeb has spent and seen very little results compared to the million dollars i think it is that donald trump has spent and the results that he's seen. how do you explain that? >> i think it's been a year that the trump phenomenon has taken everyone by surprise. he's a master at manipulating the media. it's his instrument. >> how frustrating is that for your campaign to see this free media attention that he's eating up? >> we don't think he's a
conservative and ultimately the republican party, the conservative party is going to nominate a conservative. so it's frustrating but it's also something that is going to work its self out in time as we go through the primary process. >> elise, let me bring you back in. i know the media is criticized for the free advertisement of trump but in normal terms, people who are not authentic, if this allegation is true, that jeb's campaign says, they usually talk themselves into a hole. they usually reveal themselves but it seems overwhelmingly evan n evangelical, donald trump is able to say, no, i am now pro life and i have been for about two years so forget the other 40 adult years that i've had or so or 50. this is who i am now and evangelicals have bought into it. so does the party have a problem within the party and not the media? >> well, i think that you nailed it on the head. i think that this is insurgency within the republican party and not a media problem of putting
donald trump on the air. i think it's much bigger than that. i think that donald trump is speaking what, you know, there's a grassroots support for the truth, you know, tenuous as it may be, that he is speaking. and i think that assumptions that, oh, conservativism, people will come around and see that he's a false conservative, that isn't resonating because maybe the republican establishment has overestimated just how conservative the base is. >> all right. elise, thank you. michael, thank you for popping back up on that. i know i surprised you with that. developing now, senator bernie sanders is meeting with civil rights leaders from the national urban league in washington, d.c.. that meeting is happening now. now, bernie sanders could actually take questions from reporters this hour. we are tracking that. don't turn the station. we will carry bernie sanders q & a if that does happen and it appears that it will as democrats fight for the support of minority voters. we will monitor bernie sanders
and this important q&a. we are just hours away from tonight's democratic town hall on msnbc. so listen to this, the stakes are high for hillary clinton two days before the nevada caucuses. key things that you should think about before the nevada caucus. i'll talk live with new york city's first lady, shirlane mccray who is voting for hillary clinton. what are their children saying? it could resemble what is happening between hillary clinton and hillary clinton. you're watching msnbc live from columbia, south carolina. we'll be right back.
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. not only for being here today but for work that i think all of you have done for your entire lives. you are fighting for racial justice, you are fighting for economic justice, you're fighting for social justice. you are fighting to make this country to be what we know it can be and should be. >> that was senator bernie sanders making remarks to reporters at a closed-door meeting and reverend al sharpton is present as both the senator and hillary clinton seek african-american support ahead of saturday's democratic caucuses in nevada and next week's democratic primary here in south carolina where we are based for many days now. meantime, both sanders and
clinton will be at a town hall tonight hosted by chuck todd and jose diaz-balart. let's go to msnbc's kasie hunt. sect clint secretary clinton had a meeting with this same group and to be honest, you could do a split screen of the endorsements that they've been able to amass from key african-american leaders which, again, points to black people are not monolithic and you can see it being divided with these two candidates. >> reporter: you can, tamron. bernie sanders needs to do some work to make inroads with african-american voters and latinos. very important constituencies within the democratic parties.
they changed his schedule a little bit so he could accommodate this meeting. he will fly to nevada and it's a little unusual for a candidate to fly in on the day of a forum like the one happening tonight. that should underscore for you how important it is. the question, of course, is whether or not senator sanders is going to be able to appeal to these voters in south carolina. their strategy is focused on young african-americans. you've seen senator sanders spending quite a bit of time at historically black colleges and universities. >> there must be a kasie hunt, i swear, as a curse with her. it's the third shot that has gone down. hillary clinton is out with a new ad in nevada courting voters. the ad shows a crying
10-year-old girl telling clinton about her fear that her parents could be deported. >>
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media as to what happened. but we are back up and running here live from liberty tap room here in south carolina. we all okay back there? i think one of them pulled the cord here. nevertheless, i'm happy to have chirlane mccray, the first lady of new york city, mayor de blasio's wife. let's get to the heart of what has happened here. hillary clinton yesterday, as i mentioned, was in chicago. she's out with a very emotional ad as well. we showed her featuring a 10-year-old girl talking about the fears of her parents being deported and it really shows the heartstrings of her campaign, which some believe has been missing, not just as it relates to african-american voters but women especially. what's your take of how she
stands with the women? >> i think hillary clinton is really beginning to connect with women. she has so much heart and co compassion. she's the best candidate to progress our country because she has the heart and the mind. she's been doing this work for a long, long time. i've known her personally for many, many years. and she has the values that i care so deeply about. she cares about women and family and children and health care and i think people are beginning to feel that. >> let me play a little bit about what hillary clinton talked about yesterday, a mother who lost her children. >> we owe it to them to reform police practices, to make sure that no other young woman like sandra bland is ever pulled out of a car for no good reason and thrown into a jail where she is
found dead! [ applause ] >> obviously she was referring to the case out of texas involving sandra bland who authorities say died of suicide. still, her family believes otherwise. nevertheless, it's this heartfelt message and in an interview it appears that you've hinted even in your own home there may be a generational divide between your husband and your support of hillary clinton and who your children may support. >> let me just say that we have some very lively conversations with our young adults, because they are not children anymore. they have very strong opinions, that's how we raised them, and i do not speak for them. i am just their mom. >> and i understand that, but if you can, without compromising their privacy as well, give us a glimpse of what may be happening in other homes like yours, maybe
blended families, maybe african-american families or even white families. i was in new hampshire where this college student told me that when she went home the fiery debate at the table, the divide between her parents, she was a bernie sanders supporter, her family supported hillary clinton. what do you see here is that divide? >> well, i think that bernie has a certain appeal. i don't know if easy electable but he has a certain appeal. they both share progressive values and, you know, our kids are looking at the issue very deeply, you know. they are looking at the history of the candidates and i think that that's what we're going to see more and more as the days and months go by. we're going to see where have they been? what have they been doing? many of the young people don't know hillary's history the way some of us who are a little older do. as they learn what she's been all about and where she's coming from, i think they are going to see that she is the best
candidate for our country. >> but when we think about the mayoral race involving your husband, he was labeled a socialist and people said that he had far left views. some of the very things being used to attack bernie sanders, so, on paper, one could say your husband, the mayor of new york, bill de blasio, aligns much better with the bernie sanders campaign than who he is supporting and you are supporting, hillary clinton. >> i think that's a matter of interpretation. i believe that hillary clinton is the most progressive candidate and the best one to advance the vision of -- that we need for this country. >> and i do want to note that you have placed a special significance on the issue of domestic violence and mental health initiatives. recognizing people who have been on the front line to educate our country about domestic violence and that's something you'd like to see discussed more on the campaign trail as well, in
addition to mental health initiatives. >> that's right. this is something that hillary has been working on for years and years. i know that she cares deeply about these issues. i have no doubt that they will go unaddressed if she's the president. they will not go unaddressed because that's where her heart is. >> thank you so much for joining us. i greatly appreciate you discussing what is happening perhaps in the de blasio helm in the conversation that's echoed throughout parts of the country. thank you. it's a pleasure to speak with you. >> thank you, tamron. a reminder, don't forget to watch the msnbc telemundo town hall tonight at 9:00 eastern with bernie sanders and hillary clinton. chuck todd and jose diaz-balart will be there. another programming note, vice president joe biden will join rachel maddow for an exclusive interview. that's tonight at 8:00 eastern time. don't miss it. you'll start with the vp
conversation with rachel and move right on in to that town hall. so it should be a compelling night on msnbc. let's move back to republican politics. marco rubio was endorsed by governor nikki haley fresh off of picking up that big endorsement from her yesterday, the rubio campaign is hoping the extremely popular second-term governor will sway undecided voters with just two days to go until votes are cast. nbc's gabe gutierrez is traveling with the rubio campaign. he's in anderson, south carolina. depending on the polling, it looks like 46%, around that number of voters, republican voters in this state say that they are undecided. >> reporter: yeah. and that's what the rubio campaign is trying to sway, all of those undecided voters feel that they are riding high after governor nikki haley's endorsement. we're at another rally that's about to start here in anderson, south carolina.
the line is -- people are starting to come in and we're talking about voters. we have two voters here and one is undecided and one is a marco rubio support, correct? >> i've narrowed it down between donald trump and marco rubio. >> reporter: why those two? >> they both seem to be pretty strong candidates focusing on the issue that i'm concerned about. >> reporter: now, marco rubio, as you know, got the endorsement of the governor yesterday. >> right. >> reporter: did that make any difference? >> absolutely not. >> reporter: why not? >> because i'm a strong woman. i make up my own mind. >> reporter: fair enough. what attracts you about donald trump? >> he is really the only candidate that's come out about illegal immigration and that's a big concern of mine in my family
right now it's trump and rubio. >> how do you feel about that? >> hopefully today i'll make my final decision and it depends on what he says today. >> thank you so much, ma'am. i appreciate you talking to us. >> thank you. >> we'll speak with you after and see if it made any difference. ma'am, what is your name? >> kylene smith. >> reporter: where are you from? >> columbia. >> i support rubio and you can't deport them all so we have to fix that. >> reporter: now, governor nikki haley's endorsement yesterday, how much of a difference did that make? >> it helps but didn't sway me either way. >> reporter: the rubio campaign, they are trying to make the case
that this is the new republican party, that they can grow the republican party and attract new voters who otherwise would not have been under that republican tent. do you think that message resonates with you? >> yeah. it does. it does. it says a lot when nikki haley and tim can endorse him, i think. >> reporter: now, she endorsed mitt romney back in 2012 and it was newt gingrich who ended up winning the primary. donald trump is way ahead right now. do you think that marco rubio can finish strong here? >> i do. and if other people would drop out, it would give him a better chance. >> reporter: one more thing. marco rubio and the ted cruz camps are having a war of words right now. one camp is calling the other a liar. did you ever consider voting for ted cruz? >> no. >> reporter: why not? >> he comes off too polished and rehearsed and it's something that i don't think is sincere.
>> reporter: thank you for talking to us. enjoy the event. we're here in anderson, south carolina. a lot of voters up for grabs here. back to you. >> gabe, that's so interesting that she said she believed ted cruz came off rehearsed because that was the bit criticism of marco rubio ahead of the debate they had in south carolina. it's interesting her perspective as it relates to ted cruz. >> reporter: yes. certainly. a lot of the voters we've been speaking with, you know, they -- coming off that disappointing finish in new hampshire, some of the voters have given marco rubio a pass in that sense. he has tried to come across as less scripted here in south carolina. his campaign has been a lot more aggressive when taking on ted cruz or even jeb bush but, yeah, the voters, his supporters do see him as someone that they can rally behind, somebody that the gop can really unite the gop. so, yes, it's definitely a battle here between marco rubio
and ted cruz. that voter said, hey, she's sticking by marco rubio. back to you. >> thank you, gabe. thank you for talking to the voters there. coming up, this election cycle we've heard complaints and even a couple voters mentioned it that gabe spoke with about these alleged dirty tricks. honestly, the allegations coming from both parties. but what counts really as dirty politics? many people at home who believe that all politics is dirty may say what is the big difference and what is actually illegal? up next, i'll talk live with an ex-gop operative. he actually went to prison for jamming the phone lines in new hampshire's democratic party on election day in 2002. he's now author of the book "how to rig an election." this will be for all of your conspiracy theorists out there. donald trump is about to hold an event in kiawah island and jeb bush is about to hold a town hall here in columbia not very far from where we are coming from live for you this
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south carolina, the state famous or infamous for what you keep hearing over and over, it's dirty politics. they are fighting for every last vote. about 46% of the voters here, republican voters claim that they are still undecided here. i'm joined by a former republican consultant. he actually spent months in a federal prison after pleading guilty to charges of phone harassment in an election day scheme in 2002 to jam the phone lines of new hampshire democrats. he's since written a book about it "how to rig an election." thank you for joining us. greatly appreciate it, allen. >> thank you, tamron. >> "confessions of a republican operative," explain why you were
sent to prison. >> i did some work in that senate race, as you mentioned, that essentially made it very difficult for the democratic coalition partners to get out the vote calls going into an election day. >> and it landed you behind bars, as i mentioned. there clearly is a line where it becomes illegal and also it was october of last year that a former ron paul staffer was convicted of scheming to have an iowa endorser to switch his endorsement. what do you say regarding this constant current that's happening in our political cycle? >> well, i think a lot of times you've got a professional political class and they are
trying not to over the line but it happens. you've seen it in south carolina as well. it's got a reputation as a bare knuckles place. that's a tough one for donald trump. he's there on tape with tim russert saying what he's saying. but, you know, donald trump doesn't really have to resort to dirty tricks. he's transparent and stand in the middle of the ring and take punches and throw punches. >> so when you use, as in the case of donald trump, he now says he's pro life, ted cruz used his words, as you pointed out in that interview with tim russert and other places that he said it against him, does that, in your mind, having gone to jail for illegal tactics, does that count for dirty politics, though? >> no, i don't think so. >> when is it no longer fair game? >> when it steps over the line of the law. that's when it gets rough and should be prosecuted. but when you're talking about someone's record, it's in the public domain, they are running for public office. that's fair game and i think ted
cruz has every right to go make that contrast with donald trump. >> and going back to the title of your book, how to rig an election, do you really believe that it's possible or is that just the title to get us sucked into the pages? can you rig an election? >> well, yeah. i mean, look, america's electoral history is full of dirty tricks. you know, whether it's pamphlets telling people that the election has moved to a different day or polling place, using the race card in ways that is detrimental to society in a larger sense, sure, dirty tricks happen all the time. south carolina is a tough state. i cut my teeth in new jersey. that's a tough state. new york. every state has its -- has its history. so absolutely it happens and that's why voters should be on guard and aware of what they are seeing when they see it.
>> allen raymond, a former republican consultant. thank you for your time. we greatly appreciate it. a little bit of insight into the book and your life, frankly. >> thanks for having me. coming up, several gop candidates are now criticizing, this is hot, apple opposing a federal judge's order to unlock the iphone of one of the san bernardino's shooter. the fb i'm says it could help their investigation. as you know, apple says it could create a dangerous precedent. up next, the new battle over privacy, security and the person who could be our next president factoring into this. the decision to ride on and save money. he decided to save money by switching his motorcycle insurance to geico. there's no shame in saving money. ride on, ride proud.
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well, said apple should comply to unlock the phone by said farouq. >> i think it's disgraceful that apple is not helping on that. i think security first and i feel, always felt security first. apple should absolutely, we should force them to do it. we should do whatever we have to do. >> they have a binding search order and anytime you deal with issues of security and civil liberties, you can do it. >> now, apple ceo tim cook said the company whatever he asked, thank you so much for joining me again.
i've read a couple of articles and it took place in brooklyn in new york where apple did turn over encrypted information. so what's the difference this time around? set us straight here. >> well, as we've written about it, i'm going over the years. the government, the american government has had, encryption has been like a thorn in the government's side for years. this debate goes back to the 1990s where lawmakers were saying maybe crypto should be considered a weapon. it's not that the court of the fbi is ordering apple up to lock the phone but rather to create a whole new version of the ios operating system. we could call it the fbios. in other words, a version just for the fbi to use and supposedly just in this one case that would allow the fbi to unlock all sorts of other information on the phone. the point is that they want to brute force the password and
apple built in something on this generation of the iphone that basically said if somebody is trying to slam in infinite versions of numerical codes, you should lock that down. so the fbi wants to force apple engineers to write a whole new version of that ios and promises, oh, there's no way that this could get in the hands of criminals other terrorists, china. i think donald trump and the other gop candidates are lying and they know it when they say this is a choice between security and privacy. this is a choice between surveillance and privacy. and it's the tipping point in asking every technology company everywhere to rewrite its code at the government's request whenever demanded to by a court. >> we know that the government and some of the tech giants have been in talking for some time, that this issue is not new. now, you have some of those who perhaps see the view you've pointed out as the san
bernardino case as the example the american public can see and be afraid of and the fbi can say, see, this is what we're trying to protect you from on the other side of this equation. it's noted that if this master key is created, then what could stop other governments like china, for example, in saying, listen, we want this same thing? it could perhaps be endless but again going back to my question, this case in new york that involved a dealer, and i believe apple's response was it was an older version of the phone system but then worked even harder to make sure no one including the government can get in but they have done it before with a different version. >> it's true. and one of the interesting things about this, we're seeing that privacy has become a big selling point for apple. it's notable that yesterday, also, the ceo of google also
came out and said, you know, we support basically, we support tim cook in saying no to the government on this request. if apple bends over this time, google, facebook, all of these other companies that have so much of our information will be forced to do the same. and as you rightly point out, apple is building what it says is stronger and stronger privacy because we rely more and more on these devices. make no mistake about it. what this fight is about is how far we want our government to be able to push technology companies to force them to commit acts of surveillance. that's what this really is about. if the fbi wanted this information, i suspected there are all sorts of ways that they could go about getting the data they need to keep america safe. this is about -- >> they're saying they want this critical 18 minutes, they say, of time where they have not been able to account what was happening with the shooters in san bernardino.
we wait to see what happens with tim cook and apple changes its position on this, but thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. and that does it for this edition of "msnbc live." i'm tamron hall. we'll be live in columbia, south carolina, for ten more days. ten more right here. this is where i will be stationed. meanwhile, andrea mitchell reports is up next.
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who's ahead nationally in the republican race. >> i have never done well in the "wall street journal" poll. i think somebody there doesn't like me. >> so the sound you're hearing is the sound of screams coming from washington, dc. >> and the bush bump. jeb tries to get a push in south carolina from his big brother. >> this is a serious election. >> do you have the skills to build consensus? >> welcome, live from las vegas where bernie sanders tries to challenge hillary clinton. she was ahead in the polls by 24, 25 points only a couple of weeks ago. now by all accounts, it's
basically neck and neck. following the democratic race with me is kristen welker, my colleague. kristen, you came in overnight from chicago where hillary clinton was trying to appeal to african-american voters. it's the push from both campaigns. bernie sanders today with the urban league in washington, dc. both sides pushing hard to try to get the minority voters and latinos here. we saw an ad from the clinton camp. >> reporter: there's an aggressive push on both sides to african-american voters, latino voters. it's estimated they made up 15% during the 2012 election. so that's why you're seeing this intense focus on them. it's critical in a place like nevada, but also, andrea, for secretary clinton, it's going to be critical in a place like south carolina. as you just mentioned, the polls are so tight in nevada, they are hoping they can eke out another victory. it could be very close, again, like we saw in iowa. but what she really needs to get momentum back that she lost in new hampshire is a big win in south carolina. right now, she has a pretty
sizable lead there. but she leads african-american voters to turn out in large numbers in order to secure that lead. >> bernie sanders is trying to prove that he can be a national candidate, right? not just having either tide or perhaps with a recount. he could even win in iowa and predominantly white. these are the first states to test what will happen and for sanders and it starts in nevada and as you point out, andrea, this is a much more diverse state than new hampshire and then iowa and his campaign has been arguing all along that he has the better policies for african-americans. however, you have secretary clinton securing a lot of endorsements within the african-american community and the latino community and another one today from the latino victory fund and top latinos and
congress, castro. eva longoria a part of the fund. but senator sanders knows he's got an uphill battle on his hands but that's why you see him very aggressively, he held in atlanta but then the national urban
league. >> and hillary clinton countering with an ad. it was fro a moment last sunday meeting with dreamers. this is a huge issue here in nevada and in other states across the country. >> deportation, i'm scared. >> come here, babe. >> i'm going to do everything i can so you don't have to be scared.
>> reporter: that moment, that gets to the heart of the big issue. >> reporter: emotional ad. >> very emotional ad. >> reporter: great to be together! >> together at last. >> reporter: good to see you in person. >> meanwhile, republicans are together in south carolina, but not so much together. they are about as together as a bunch of fighting cats down there in south carolina with just two
days to make their case to primary voters. and we have the latest bloomberg politics poll showing donald trump is holding on to a double digit lead but same lead he's had for months in the state but the campaigns are also reacting to a big visurprise in the national poll out today showing ted cruz on top. 28-26. that's within the margin of error but the first time he's edging out trump because trump has been on top for months. it's possible that the saturday night debate dealt a blow to the front-runner's campaign. we'll see whether this bares out in future polls.
nbc's gabe gutierrez covering the rubio campaign and nbc's katy tur on keewa island and nbc's hallie jackson in greenville covering ted cruz and first to you, gabe gutierrez. let's talk about marco rubio, also trying for second place here. >> reporter: that's right, andrea. the rubio campaign feels it has the wind at its back. that hugely important endorsement from governor nikki haley came late yesterday. it was an endorsement they had been courting for a while and hope to make a difference in south carolina. the question is, how much will it help? she did endorse mitt romney back in 2012. it is clear that the rubio campaign is pointing to this image and we saw it yesterday in that rally they had last night, this morning. nikki haley is out campaigning as is senator tim scott and the
rubio campaign is trying to make the point, it is the 44-year-old cuban american senator and the governor of indian descent and tim scott the african-american senator. they want voters to see this as the new face of the party. here's what marco rubio had to say about the endorsement at his event this morning. >> i could spend the next 20 minutes bragging on your governor. the whole country admires her greatly and tremendously and we are so grateful she's a part of our team. and, you know, it's the work she's done here in south carolina. it's her personal story that reminds us of what's at stake in 2016. >> reporter: both sides accusing the other of dirty tricks. remember, andrea, just a few days ago, we thought this was going to be a knock-down dragged out fight but clear the rubio campaign is setting its sights on ted cruz even though donald trump is far in the driver's
seat. now this could be a battle for second place. as marco rubio seeks to rebound from the disappointing finish in new hampshire. >> gabe gutierrez with tim scott and nikki haley, important, stopped the endorsements but donald trump had the momentum all along. we saw trump with joe scarborough and minka brovinski. >> and the pope just on his plane referred to donald trump, saying a person who thinks only about building walls wherever they may be is not a christian. donald trump has just responded directly to the pope saying roughly something like this. that the isis wants to get to the vatican, if and when the vatican is attacked by isis, i hope they would wish and prayed donald trump was president, and that would not have happened.
>> it's disgraceful. i'm proud to be a christian, and as president, i will not allow christianity to be consistently attacked and weakened, unlike what is happening now with our current president. okay? believe me. >> no leader, very important, and this is just given out to the press two seconds ago. no leader, especially a religious leader should have the right to question another man's religion or faith. especially when they feed all sorts of false information into them. they are using the pope as a pawn, and they should be ashamed of themselves. that's the mexican government. they should be ashamed of themselves for doing so, especially when so many lives are involved and when illegal immigration is so rampant and dangerous and bad for the united states. okay?
period. that's it. okay, period. so i come to this beautiful place and i look, everything is so beautiful. the people are beautiful. everything is nice, and i get it. the pope just made a statement. did he say good things? no. i don't think you're going to like it so much. so this is the beginning as i'm walking in. >> you heard it right there, donald trump responding directly to pope francis talking about immigration, which has been his main topic for his campaign since he started campaigning back in june. immigration, building a wall, and the problems that are coming over from mexico, this crowd is eating it up. they are accepting what he's saying and sharing it on. no blowback whatsoever when it comes to confronting pope francis for what he said about donald trump. back to you, andrea. >> katy, it's just remarkable. every day, yesterday, we were in the middle of the threatened lawsuit against ted cruz. and now it is donald trump
reacting in the moment to criticism from pope francis on his plane. having left mexico and of course, immigration and the mormon ban that trump proposed. big issues with pope francis. he's spoken to that in these last few months. thaing thank you to katy tur and hallie jackson. cruz is on a high right now, could be a sugar high. don't know if the poll will hold up, whether it is a moment, a snapshot, after that debate where trump by all accounts did not do well saturday night and whether he will regain his footing or the beginning of a trend with polls, it's awfully hard to tell but how is the campaign reacting today? hallie? >> reporter: what you're seeing, andrea, from ted cruz that this was a good number for them nationally. the more important number in south carolina is the one showing donald trump still dominating this race and trying
to bring the evangelical community but getting a lot of incoming fire from donald trump and marco rubio. you saw donald trump saying he agrees that ted cruz is a liar. this is a tactic you see from cruz's rivals, trying to portray as ted cruz somebody not trustworthy and not honest. cruz is fighting hard against that. you saw the fiery news conference today and we continue to hear from ted cruz as we gets going on this event in greenville about his positions and making donald trump looking too liberal. you talk about the papal remarks, a reminder that donald trump is not the only candidate in the republican field who believes in building a border
wall. we try to get a comment from the senator about it and get back to you. >> and of course, we will talk later on about the president going to cuba, but it was the pope who helped create that, he helped mediate the agreement for normalized relations with havana and the pope is invested in these relationships that all the republican candidates have been criticizing. hallie jackson and katy tur, thank you to you and gabe gutierrez covering republicans in south carolina. of course, the voting is on saturday there on the republican side. and meanwhile, tonight, we have everything happening right here on msnbc. 8:00 p.m. eastern, right here, rachel maddow, exclusively, interviewing vice president joe biden as this democratic race gets even more contentious. does he have any regrets? that could be one of the issues. and then at 9:00 eastern, chuck todd and jose diaz both moderating a presidential town
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the challenges we saw in iowa turn out an organization will spell who comes out on top when voters begin caucusing on saturday. the voting starts saturday morning. john is an msnbc political analyst and host of ralston live in nevada and john, you know this state better than anyone else politically.
the clinton team seem to be in panic mode. have they stopped the bleeding? >> they don't know for sure. they were in panic mode and have all the high profile surrogates coming if at the last minute, the legendary civil rights leader. sheila jackson and have a bunch of surrogate events today. they're really worried about what they should have had locked up. >> it's with dreamers. you think president obama is great on this issue? i'll do even more competitiexec orders and said, i have the field to myself. sanders didn't show up until october or november. and almost loses iowa. crushes in new hampshire and in
their polling. union leaders with the rankin file could be responding to his economic populous. >> that's what i've heard out of people. the rankin file responds to the economic justice message and that's what people i think miss. you take polls of the latino community, it's not immigration but in nevada, we were hit hardest by the recession and working in place owned by billionaires. think of how fertile territory that is for sanders. >> she went to the laundry room overnight at caesar's palace to stay to talk to the very workers an there's t and then there's the geography of caucusing. going to the rural areas and get caucuses there and get the popular vote without as many
dell galts. >> because obama understood better, and she hired people who worked on the caucus team. she was watching in a place most never heard of and now bernie sanders is trying to get some of the votes there too and delegates are a portion by congressional district than where we're seeing. >> how effective do you think the dreamer ad said my parents got a deportation letter and she seems to say come up here and say, let me fix this. >> it's a powerful ad potentially and hillary clinton is seen as not being a great candidate as being scripted or unemotional. looks like sitting right next to her in the ad was astrid silva,
may be the well known dreamer in the country, set up some of these events for her. but the fact they need to get the latino community again, a cold war they thought they had locked up shows that they're worried about sanders making inroads there. >> is there any blowback against hillary clinton for the president's very aggressive deportation policy? >> well, i think she's tried to separate herself out from this. right? one of the first things, bernie sanders wasn't talking about it at all and then the first thing he came out with, and i interviewed him late last year coming out against deportation policy and she's expressing concern about it but looks to a lot of people like a me too thing and sanders was there first. he's done -- people think bernie sanders is just, he's not as skillful a politician as some of the others. he knows exactly what he's doing, i think. >> and he's got a great team and been smart all along. speaking of smart all along, john, thank you. >> thanks so much. >> and tonight, at 9:00 eastern
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and he's a senator and it's fine to stand on the floor of the senate for a day or two days and have everybody else in the senate laughing at you and you do nothing. he accomplished nothing with that. i will bring the country together. >> reporter: donald trump continuing to attack ted cruz during the msnbc town hall last night in charleston, south carolina, and today, we saw donald trump reacting to the pope's comments. the pope, according to our own ann thompson on the vatican plane back from mexico city said anyone who wants to build a wall is, quote, not a christian. donald trump had a very strong reaction just now and joining me now, just as the nbc news "wall street journal" poll showing ted cruz nationally two points up, 28-26 ahead of donald trump is ana stewart, senior communication advisor for the ted cruz campaign. always great to see you.
>> reporter: you too. trump sfo focused on his liberal background and donating to liberals and democrats. he went on your own network back in 1999 and talked about his support for liberal issues. talking about how he's pro choice and he's not a supporter of traditional marriage and not reflective of the republican party and even further closer to the day, he continues to support taxpayer funding for planned parenthood. his response was to simply call ted a liar. that's not a direct response to
issues that people are looking at. saying he's being nasty is unfortunate he's resulted in his tactics to distract from the important policy issues that people are looking at in this election. >> his point is that he has evolved when he was interviewed by tim rust seert. he's evolved. is that a legitimate explanation to satisfy senator cruz? >> well, sure. they say that and say he said that 17 years ago but seem to forget he actually also said it last saturday on the debate stage. he said directly that he supports taxpayer funding for the largest provider. he needs to stick on what side of the issue he wants to stand on because voters like candidates who are consistent.
one side or the other, donald, you have to pick a side and you have to be consistent and he can change at any given time and either pro life or you're pro abortion and clearly given his support for the nation's largest abortion provider, we understand he's not pro life. >> thank you so much for joining us from south carolina. and tonight, as we continue to be the place for politics right here on msnbc, rachel maddow first has an exclusive interview with joe biden, talking to him today in minnesota. and then right here in las vegas, we have the msnbc telemundo live, democratic presidential forum with chuck todd and jose diaz-balart and coming up next, more live from las vegas right here on "andrea mitchell reports" on las vegas strip only on msnbc. we were born 100 years ago into a new american century.
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president obama confirmed today in a tweet and official statement that he is going to cuba next month. in march, he'll be the first u.s. president to visit the islands since calvin coolidge went. this is a big deal. it was foreshadowed by the normalization announced more than a year ago and been a slow go. they announced the aviation agreement and presumption of air travel with scheduled flights but it has been very slow to normalize and this can be turned around by the republicans if they are elected. >> reporter: and of course, the embargo remains in place and what the -- this is a big
concern for american businesses and have no idea where this will be once president obama leaves office but clearly, this is something that the administration wants to do. this is something that president obama has been pushing for a long time. it's a legacy issue for him and thinks it's just a policy of isolation that's not worked. the administration insists in the years since, this is debatable and why now? unclear why in march and know there's another meeting to attend in argentina at the same time but a lot of his critics think it's soo soon to reward
the castro regime right now. andrea? >> reporter: ron allen at the white house for the developments and now let's turn back to south carolina and what we just heard from donald trump responding to rome saying trump is not a christian because of the harsh position. this is trump's response. >> if and when the vatican is attacked by isis, which is isis's ultimate trough, i can promise you that the pope would have only wished and prayed that donald trump would have been president, because, it's true, it's true. because this would not have happened. the pope only heard one side of the story. and he didn't see the crime, the drug trafficking, the pope said something to the effect that maybe donald trump isn't christian.
okay? and he's questioning my faith. i was very surprised to see it, but i am a christian. they are using the pope as a pawn and they should be ashamed of themselves. that's the mexican government. >> and joining me now for our daily fix, chris cillizza, nbc contributor and founder of the "washington post" fix blog and alex seitz-wald. first to you. donald trump attacking the pope after the pope criticized him. i mean, this is one of the more extraordinary turns in an extraordinary election year. >> reporter: yeah, andrea. i think i can now say i've seen it all. full stop, period. trump versus the pope was not one i thought we would get to in this election. i will give donald trump credit for this. he did stay pretty on message which is essentially, look, pope didn't get the full story. i am a christian. he also did the classic donald
trump but he questioned my faith but has the formulation when people question him. i mean, this race, i'm rarely at a loss for words as my life wwil tell you but this race is threatening to leave me speechless. >> let me quote what the pope said on the plane. a person who thinks only about building walls wherever they may be and not building bridges is is not christian. this is not the gospel. and this was donald trump's response. >> he said negative things about me because the mexican government convinced him that trump is not a good guy. he doesn't see how mexican leadership and understand it, he doesn't see how mexican leadership is outsmarting our president. >> we're not going to -- so you've covered both of these campaigns and watch donald trump but to see donald trump in the
moment, on stage, responding to the pope, it speaks a confidence, but also, it is a perilous choice for any national candidate. >> talk about punching up. there's hardly anyone higher you could punch at than the pope and i think donald trump loves the idea between him and the pope. i think that puts him on the same place but it is a big risk. this is one of the most popular figures, not just nationally but internationally, respected on the right and the left. every time we've seen donald trump cross a line that we think is going to be too far, go too much and hurt him, it ends up not going doing it. he said he could shoot people on fifth avenue and retain supporters. so we'll see. i think this will be one of those donald trump being donald trump moments. >> and chris cillizza, when we're talking about south carolina, you're not talking about an overwhelmingly catholic state. so at least on saturday's primary, this may not be fraught
with peril like michigan or pennsylvania. >> reporter: absolutely not. this is a state dominated faith-wise by evangelicals. which are not opposed to catholicism but this is not the northeast, for example, the connecticut i grew up where catholics are the dominant faith. i don't think it will be hugely problematic and i think it will help with folks who sort of view religious but catholicism and the pope skeptically. alex is right. i think long ago abandoned the fill in the blank thing donald trump says is going to bring his campaign down because after you write that 52 times and wrong 52 times, you start to wise up. >> it could have an impact here in nevada which has a much larger catholic population. >> sure. large latino population.
i don't think donald trump would do too well among latinos to begin with but coming here and very interesting contest on the democratic side, as we know coming up on saturday with bernie sanders trying to prove he can win a state that's not quite as white as iowa and new hampshire. and then we'll see, you know, for republicans, what happens out of south carolina. >> see, you can respond to anything we throw at you, when you're not speechless, chris cillizza. so thank you both very much. as we say whrks we thi, when we seen it all, chuck todd and jose diaz-balart. ♪
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recent poll for nevada showed hillary clinton and bernie sanders nearly tied. with 48% for clinton and 47% for sanders. that is a virtual tie. and clinton had a 24 point lead only a couple of points ago. minority voters may well determine the outcome on saturday. joining me now is msnbc's jacob soboroff, and jacob met with several of the undocumented workers here and several of the dreamers, and even looking at the whole issue on how immigration is going to impact the race. >> and andrea, they'll watch our town hall with a focus on immigration reform. it's an extraordinary thing to see. you've got workers here for these presidential campaigns that cannot actually vote for the president of the united states, but they're spending their time, their energy, their effort and their emotions on
this. one was a hillary clinton volunteer, take a look at this. >> what's the deal with the bikes? >> i don't have a car. i don't drive. >> how come? >> no license yet. >> why not? >> well, i'm a dreamer. i was just something i was just very, it's difficult to get. i came from the philippines and when i was 6 years old back in 2003 -- >> makes me feel old. you were 6 years old in 2003. >> what point did you realize your parents had overstayed their work visa and undocumented? >> when we worked here in las vegas, just a lot of complications that were happening and eventually, i found out they were letting out paperwork on the bed and i just
found out that way. >> was it hard for you as a young kid or -- >> i didn't understand it. i was quite confused. but i didn't understand what our situation was and when it meant and the consequences of it. >> did you tell people about your status? do you say undocumented when you're not ever? >> yeah, okay, i guess kristen's not here. >> give it a second knock. you never know. [ knocks ] >> what do you say? >> talking about personal stuff. listening, hearing to each other. >> what do they say? >> had other dreamers come out to me. >> you had dreamers come out to you at the door. how does it make you feel? >> i don't know. it is just really a happy feeling because even back when i was going to school, i never had people come up to me until i came up to them. >> all it takes is a door knock to get people to share a story like yours. >> you really have to listen. that's all it is. >> all you've got to do is
listen. maybe someone will be at the next one. pretty incredible that she's one of scores of volunteers undocumented for the campaigns here, both bernie sanders and hillary clinton and they are working their tails off to see this next president of the united states elected and again, they can't even vote. if you want to take for a bike ride rarlater? >> extraordinary how gutsy these young people are. thank you for sharing that. tonight, speaking of sharing, right here on msnbc, rachel maddow sits down exclusively with vice president joe biden at a pivotal point. this is a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports" live from las vegas on msnbc. se, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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er emotional new ad, a young dreamer, 10-year-old girl who told her her parents got their deportation notice. joining me now ahead of the nevada caucus is the democratic party leader, roberta lang, not a position between bernie sanders and hillary clinton. and clearly, this is a big part of the unknown, how many people will turn out. >> we educate, train, and prepare, and run the caucuses. >> how important is it, do you think, for both hillary clinton and bernie sanders to prove, coming out of iowa an new hampshire, and now coming to this diverse state that they can appeal to people of color and people of different backgrounds? >> i think we've always thought that nevada was important. i mean, there's a reason why nevada got the caucus and we're the first in the west.
we talk about western issues and issues that are important to nevada. it's like immigration reform. and the economy and minimum wage and equal pay for equal work and family leave. all those issues are really important and i think when you talk about the make-up of nevada and huge hispanic african-american, asian pacific islander groups that we have here, it's so important because we believe that we're like the fabric of the united states, and people will get to really see in a diverse state what is going to happen. >> do you have any sense how it's playing right now? just, we have the sense that the clinton campaign was pretty panicked after they blew a very big lead that is now very close. do you have any sense of who might be ahead? >> i think everyone thinks the race is really tight and both working hard. secretary clinton in nevada over a year and a strong organizing
campaign. senator sanders arrived later in the year, just opened his 12th office. so i think that, you know, they're working really hard to gain that vote, and to gain votes actually from all nevadans. >> thank you very much for being with us today. great to see you. and before we leave you, marco rubio in south carolina has now also responded to that controversy with pope francis, criticizing donald trump for his immigration policy saying anyone who wants to build a wall is not christian. this is rubio's response. >> the holy father's full statement, i would just say this. there's no nation on earth more compassionate on immigration than we are. we accept a million people in the year legally, every year. mexico doesn't do that. no other country in the world does that, but we're a sovereign country and we have the right to control who comes in, when they
come in, and how they come in. vatican city controls the city state and as a result, the united states has to do that as well. so i haven't seen the context of the holy father's statement and won't comment directly other than to say this country has not just the right but the obligation to control the process by which people enter the united states, and by which people immigrate to the united states. >> donald trump called the pope's statement disgraceful. what's your reaction? >> i haven't read the full context, so i'm not going to comment on the statement. as a roman catholic, he's a head of the church and successor of peter, i believe, and tremendous respect and admiration for him and haven't seen the statement, but i'm an elected official of the united states of america and the federal government and our number one obligation is to keep people safe and our immigration system is a part of that. >> marco rubio responding to the controversy and a lot more all throughout the day right here on msnbc. that does it for us. for this edition. we'll be here tomorrow with
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carolina. time is running out with polls opening across the state in less than 40 hours and you won't believe what's happening in just the last couple of hours. let's give you a sense of just how intense this race is. already today, five of the six remaining republican presidential candidates have done seven different events, and now politics and the pope francis going after the gop front-runner on immigration saying trump is not a christian if he supports deporting undocumented immigrants and building a wall between mexico and the u.s. it didn't take long for team trump to answer back. >> if and when the vatican is attacked by isis, which as everyone know is isis's ultim e ultimate, i promise that the pope would have wished and prayed that donald trump would have been president. it's true.
it's true. because this would not have happened. >> another new fight broke out with new allegations against ted cruz for alleged dirty tricks. marco rubio's camp is furious. and then there's the democratic battle in nevada where the caucuses are also on saturday and clinton and sanders are locked in a dead heat. just one point separating them. that means tonight's democratic town hall, 9:00 p.m. eastern live right here on msnbc could be decisive as voters look not just at who to vote for but whether to go out and caucus. we have reporters in place to cover all angles and we want to begin with this escalating gop fight for south carolina and boy, has it gotten heated today. one of the things we want to do is talk to voters. what do they think with less than two days to go? i want to talk to a cross section of movers and shakers in charleston to understand what's happening in the state of south
carolina. you had donald trump taking on one of the most popular politicians in all of south carolina. george w. bush and didn't seem to make a difference. but now he seems to be dressing down one of the most popular human beings on the face of the earth. hope francis, will it make a difference? >> i have a hard time seeing that it will. if he can survive scrapes with barbara bush and megan kelly, how can it be much different? >> you were saying you were catholic. what do you make of this? >> i was a catholic and a republican in the charles city republican. and i think getting focused on what is important, coalescincoa
it's the wrong way to go. we'll see the fallout. i don't know the answer but i do think this. if you see what happens in charleston, it represents i think a good cross section of what's going on, not just america but the republican party. charleston, you look at the numbers, it will really tell you what effect that had. >> do you agree with that or do we get a sense of where things are on sunday? >> i think so. but i don't think south carolinians are interested in the pope getting involved in politics and i thought that was interesting and unusual he did that. talked about a wall. i heard mr. trump talk about a big wall with a big door. much like the vatican has. >> the vatican will make the argument. the pope will make the argument this isn't about politics and church doctrine but more interesting to see if people see it the way you're talking about it. people will be with us throughout the hour and talk more because they do know sort of what's going on and have the pulse of what's happening.
here we are. first of all, i want to thank you all. and let's move on now to katy tur, who has been out with donald trump and who can give us a sense of what's going on with this back and forth with the pope's criticism of him at that rally. his response to it in kila island just a short time ago. >> for a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful. i'm proud to be a christian, and as president, i will not allow christianity to be consistently attacked and weakened unlike what is happening now with our current president. >> reporter: katy tso the pope plane basically said it is not really a christian thing to do to build walls and not building bridges. and i spoke to a number of
supporters in the room as they were leaving and they all cheered him when he was giving out the statement. i spoke to a number of supporters and say they can't believe that the pope got into politics and the pope made these statements, not that donald trump was firing back. they say this was about security. it's not about faith. so he didn't seem to lose this crowd or much more of his crowd across south carolina either. i don't think there's any target too big or too sacred for donald trump to go after. right now, this is him defending his immigration plan, defending his border wall. defending his platform, and it's exactly what the voters, at least in this room and many others in south carolina say they want to hear. >> nbc's katy tur, thanks to you. we want to go to kerry sanders who's talking to voters at the next trump rally in gaffney, south carolina. this is not the question we expected to be asking but how are voters reacting to trump's latest remarks?
>> reporter: i'm in gaffney, south carolina. we're in gaffney embroidery and this is where donald trump is going to becoming today to this town. but we've got an opportunity to speak to some voters including linda cox who manages the large facility here making 20,000 pieces of american flags every month. linda, donald trump today was called out by the pope. the pope said he can't be a christian if he wants to build this wall. your reaction as a voter? >> my reaction as a voter is, i believe that we need a wall with the united states and any international border because we need to keep terrorists out. so i agree that we do need something built. >> linda, thank you very much. there are 40 or 50 employees here, many doing a piecemeal work from central america and south america and mexico. she's been here 11 years and been here illegally and let's see if i can get past the stars
here, i don't want to step on the american flag. i want to ask a few questions and then translate. the pope today said that donald trump is not a christian. how do you feel? [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: i believe he has a good point. [ speaking foreign language ] and i asked her, trump wants to put a wall between the two countries. she's from mexico. she's been here 11 years. how does she feel about that? >> . [ speaking foreign language ][ ] >> she said god's word said there are no borders. there's no reason to have a division in our country. and so she doesn't believe that
donald trump speaks for her. you're going to vote? she said, yes, but not going to be for him, donald trump. that's just a general tenure of the feeling. donald trump will be here in gaffney, south carolina, later today. and as we've seen in the past, there will be thousands. he may once again address to the crowd today what the pope had to say. chris? >> nbc's kerry sanders, what a beautiful backdrop with those flags. thank you so much. and by the way, we just want to let you know, we just learned that jeb bush who is catholic may be making some remarks as he has goes from one event to the other so we wait for that and another catholic, marco rubio, seems to be getting momentum here and just at the right time. he's out campaigning today along side nikki haley, the popular republican governor hoping to turn the high profile endorsement with votes with two days to go. with haley on board, rubio has the backing of south carolina's most powerful conservatives,
already getting endorsements from tim scott and both of them stumping with him today too. and nbc's gabe gutierrez traveling with the rubio camp today and been talking to some voters and gabe, what are they saying about all this? >> hi, good afternoon. i want to keep my voice down. this town hall just got under way with senator marco rubio speaking alongside nikki haley. don't want to interrupt them but his campaign feels it has regained momentum in this race. before i get to the other race, he spoke with reporters a short time ago and he was asked about the pope's comments and said he didn't want to comment on the pope's statement without seeing the full context but said he believed america was the most compassionate nation on earth when it comes to immigration. that's a major issue in his campaign. ted cruz has attacked him on it. and there's an ongoing war of words now between ted cruz and marco rubio, both sides accusing
the other of dirty tricks. but back to the endorsement with nikki haley that came late yesterday and it has jolted this campaign. they see themselves now as being able to attract new voters a andrea mitchell then senator. nikki haley and marco rubio asked whether they might make a ticket, be part of the same ticket and both laughed it often and said it was premature but marco rubio looking to make a strong finish here in south carolina and bounce back from the disappointing fifth place finish in new hampshire. back to you.
and senior advisor, good to see you. i want to talk about some of the back and forth accusations. very angry about it. claiming the image of rubio has been photoshopped to look like he's shaking president obama's hand and calls it, quote, cruz's deceitful campaign. they're just pointing out the record on trade. so is that a fair comeback by them? >> well, i think using the clip art and putting senator rubio and president obama's faces on it is a pretty good example of what we've seen where i think the cruz campaign has taken a lot of liberties with the truth and tried to create a narrative that doesn't match up with who senator rubio is and i think it's a sign of desperation, they
know that the momentum that the rubio campaign has threatens cruz's ability to win the nomination and so i think this is for voters, a good opportunity for them to look at the cruz campaign and ask themselves if this is what they want as our standard bearer in november. >> there's no doubt that it was a good day yesterday for your candidate with this endorsement by nikki haley so many people including jeb bush wanted and there is a new ad that you guys have put out starring the governor.
let's play a little clip of that. >> as the wife of a combat veteran, i know marco will keep america safe. and as your governor, i trust marco to bring a conscience to republicans in washington. and reign in our out of control federal government. i'm nikki haley. i'm endorsing marco because this election is about the future and the future is now. >> one thing we've learned though in this campaign season is that everything we think we know about politics, which is that this would be helpful has
to you. i appreciate it. on that topic, i want to go back to the round table. because the image we saw is getting a lot of attention because you have an indian american standing there alongside an african-american, both of them endorsing a cuban american and nikki haley's message is, this is what america looks like and it's the republican party that can be the face of the future. is that what that image says? >> i think so. the question is how many south carolina voters will be moved by that? because -- >> what's the answer to the question, it's a provocative one. >> we'll see. i think some aren't or feel threatened by that. i want to see the results saturday. >> michael, is that fair? >> i think it is the face of the republican party looks like and it puts the profile on this election and this campaign. >> that's not the perception. it's something the democrats have claimed and the votes would show they have had for a very long time. much more diversity in the
people who vote for them. >> and i think now we see a shift in that and right in south carolina, you look on the stage, no question that's the case and the republican party to show that we are the party of inclusion. and i think that with nikki haley leading south carolina and showing we can do it here, it's going to be a huge message out there to voters and really lead in november. i have no doubt about it. >> i want to remind people you are the president of the alliance and have a diverse workforce, they have an immigrant workforce as well. does that send a message, do you think? >> oh, i think it does. this state knew what it was doing when they elected governor haley. she was female of indian descent and not only won the first time but overwhelmingly the second time. not only is the republican party diverse but south carolina is very accepting of people when it comes to casting their vote and the manufacturing community is diverse. it has to be diverse. we have a lot of different kinds
of people, so i think that's a new face in so many ways. >> louis, robert, michael. again, you'll stay with us. much more to talk about right here. we'll hear from you later on in the hour, but with less than 48 hours to go until the nevada caucuses, hillary clinton and bernie sanders in a dead heat in the latest poll. while sanders spent the morning leading with civil rights leaders courting the crucial african-american vote, we'll speak with one of hillary clinton's votes about the stake for her supporters, and that's next. first, today's microsoft pulse question of the day. should jeb bush drop out if he doesn't finish in the top three in south carolina? cast your vote now at pulse.msnbc.com and we'll have the results for you later in this hour. hi, what did you think? >> it was interesting. he definitely played to the crowd. good. >> but did he win you over? >> no, i would have a hard time, you know, supporting the republican. if he goes in the general
election, i would probably vote for him. >> so you're on the democratic side? >> no, i'm a republican. >> so nikki haley just endorsed marco rubio. will that influence you? >> it doesn't influence me, but i think rubio would probably be better than trump, as a presidential candidate. this just got interesting. why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph,
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should be. . >> here in the south carolina primary, clinton way in the lead in south carolina and pulls off an upset and then the stakes saturday are tremendously high and here's why. if clinton loses, it's another major loss after new hampshire and another week's worth of negative headlines for her campaign. and then looking at the latest poll again, 47%, well within the margin of error while a new poll from south carolina shows hillary clinton keeping her sizable lead, 59-30 and among black voters, 50 years old, clinton's lead actually increases and in many parts of the country, bernie sanders has really built a lead on
millennials. let's bring in representative from ohio, a clinton surrogate, a member of the congressional black caucus from las vegas. good to see you, congresswoman. good afternoon. >> reporter: thank you. i'm glad to be here. >> before south carolina is nevada where you are, and this is a race where sanders has ridden momentum to the top. how worried are you not just that clinton could lose nevada but then it would give him the momentum and cut into her lead here in south carolina? >> reporter: of course, i'm worried. we know anything can happen in politics, but i'm very confident she's going to win here. i know that the people here are knowledgeable voters and she is going to win. i'm very confident about that. and so i think that the momentum will be hers, and not his. >> you acknowledge you're a politician, so you get how this works. so is it fair to say that nevada is critical of clinton, because it would be harder to recover
from two major losses? >> i don't think it is critical. you said yourself, super tuesday will really tell the tale. i think it's important, critical, i do not believe it's critical. there are a lot of states behind this one. >> let me just go away for a moment because jeb bush just got off a bus and talking about these comments by the pope and response by donald trump, let's listen. >> his plans on isis, i mean, it's gone from the dog in the fight to brush a deal with isis which they have no interest in doing, let isis take out assad and bomb the bleep out of isis. this is not the policy. this is not a policy. let's talk about him being president. >> how about mr. trump going at it with the pope as a devout catholic? >> i think pope said he might not be christian. i think his christianity is between he and his creator. i don't think he needs to discuss that. his relationship with isis, he's
not the right guy to be commander in chief. the swiss army guard is probably taking pretty good care of the po pope. >> do you think it was wrong to question christianity? >> i honestly believe that's a relationship you have with your creator. >> you support a wall? >> i support it where it's appropriate for sure and i believe we ought to have other parts of us leading the border patrol and using drone technology.
that's a just thing to do to make sure people don't come across illegally. >> going back and forth on central candidates with pope francis? >> i'd stay away from that, my own personal opinion but someone as the head of my church, i wouldn't and he's my spiritual leader and as we've said, the moth mother. as a catholic but certainly not the policy. i respect the pope. his voice will be heard, but dealing with isis, we need someone with a steady hand and a strategy. not the guy who laid it out prior to the attacks and i'll stick with that. that's the important thing. >> jeb bush, a convert married
and not criticizing the pope but saying there is a need for strong borders. it's hard to see how you get elected as a republican and not say that. are you still there, congresswoman? i'm curious if you've heard about this back and forth and what you make of it. >> i've not heard the back and forth but i will say this. hillary clinton understands what's happening in the immigrant communities and only plan to take the immigrants out of the shadows and make all americans have a future that is better than their past. she is the one with policies to
make sure they have quality access to health care. we talk about something to make things happen and as they have this discussion, what we should do at the border, most americans don't know we spend more at the border than we ever have. she understands it, she gets it. she knows more about in terms of safety and security than any person on either side of the aisle. so i think that that is why she is going to win, not only nevada but south carolina as well. i spent a lot of time in south carolina. they know what the bottom line is, and they know they need somebody who's going to fight for them and that's hillary clinton. >> congresswoman marcia fudge, thank you so much for coming on the program. we appreciate that. it will be a frantic 48 hours until voting begins, well the caucuses in nevada and the voting here in south carolina. already, gop candidates have been blanketing the state. they're making a dozen stops before the day is over.
one person who knows the stakes well here in south carolina is gop state representative jenny horn who made a tearful speech against the confederate flag at the mother emanuel church. >> i cannot believe that we do not have the heart in this body to do something meaningful such as take a symbol of hate off these grounds on friday! >> jenny horn also challenging mark sanford for the congressional seat and here with me. good to see you. thank you for coming. it's almost 24 hours after the news broke that marco rubio got an endorsement of nikki haley and i wonder if you think that could be a game changer. >> i don't know that it will be. i think that trump is leading pretty decisively in south carolina right now, based upon
the polling that the house gop. >> push rubio to second or a strong third. >> it could push rubio to second, and that may be the effect of her endorsement. >> and does that take jeb bush out of the race? >> it very well could. >> tell me where you see the lay of the land and we're talking or the last half an hour on the back and forth. donald trump essentially getting into a battle with pope francis, so all bets are off on this campaign but what do you make of what you're seeing as this comes down to the wire in south carolina? >> i think it has all of us scratching our heads. this is not the normal gop presidential race. i think that there are a lot of people who are engaged, that maybe have not been engage before. >> that's a good they think, rig thing, right? >> everyone i'm talking to is talking about their candidate, who they support and i've spent
a lot of time stumping for the congressional seat in the first congressional, talking to voters, and it's on everyone's mind and they really want to talk about their candidate. >> so what are they talking to you about in terms of the presidential race? what's the question you get the most? >> the questions that we're hearing the most is securing our borders and national security. >> just the thing that donald trump and the pope were talking about. >> absolutely. it's on everyone's mind here in south carolina. >> when you're on the ground, the question is about the ground game and we know that donald trump ramped up his voter turnout, his efforts. we see that ted cruz's super pac is putting money on the ground and we heard from the bush campaign that they were going to put substantial resources in here and saw the brother come out. what do you see on the ground? is it clear who has the best turnout operation to you? >> i think they're all quite good. i think they all have really excellent political machines. and i think it's just going to
be a rush to the finish line to see who wins south carolina. >> what do you expect over the next 48 hours? what's going to happen? we had two things happen today. we already have the fight over whether or not there's more dirty tricks by ted cruz and the fight between the pope and donald trump. what could possibly happen in the next two days? >> well, chris, the truth is always stranger than fiction. and here in south carolina, it's alive and well. >> when you say a record turnout, do you think significantly more than we've seen before? >> i think so. everyone i'm talking to is saying that i intend to go vote on saturday and people are talking about their candidates like they have never really discussed it before. we'll see. >> that is the question. general jenny, thank you. appreciate it. msnbc, your place for politics. all night long tonight with an incredible night for politics,
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you switch to geico. oh ohhhhh it's what you do. ohhhhhh! do you have to do that right in my ear? the mexican government fed the pope about trump is not a good person. i just got a call as i'm walking up here. mr. trump, the pope made a statement about you. i said, the pope? what did the pope say? i like the pope. was it good or bad because if it's good, i like the pope. if it's bad, i don't like the pope. now it's probably over the world. who the hell cares, i don't care. >> that is one thing that's consistent about donald trump. he says he doesn't care, and he was making pointed remarks about one of the most popular people in the universe. pope francis moments ago in kiwa island. he is joining other republican candidates intensifying their rhetoric as they make nearly a
dozen stops across the state today and here's what's on tap. in less than an hour, john kasich holds a town hall and then four hours northeast a so-called we love barbecue here and then in gaffney, we dip into all the events and then a short time ago as asking him some questions, what do you think? peter? >> we just wrapped up the brief conversation hastily put together and then first, here's a look at what happened when we
ask jeb bush to respond to the pope's comments that anyone who wants to build a wall is not christian. take a listen. >> i don't know what that means. >> you don't support a wall? >> i support walls where it's appropriate, for sure. i also believe we ought to have oth others leading the border patrol, using drone technology. using gps technology across the board, to have a strategy for the border. and that is clear. but that is not an unchristian thing to do to make sure people don't come across our borders illegally. that's a just thing to do. >> a good catholic, governor bush said he did and the nikki
haley endorsement went elsewhere to his former protoya, marco rubio. i spoke to lindsey graham who said they believe their campaign, the bush campaign is surging and that trump is solidifying crazy of ted cruz and said cruz is taking a hit and reubio in his words are stuk right now and showing a sense of humor despite what appeared to be a tough moment for his campaign losing that epidorsment. endorsement. his favorite book? "the art of the deal." >> who wrote that book again? >> can't remember. some guy. >> i want to go back inside there laughing. any of you read the art of the
deal? you were watching a little bit of joe and minkah yesterday. when south carolinians sit around, with oysters and barbecue, what do you talk about politically? >> charleston is its own place and then seeing who was there and then what i saw in the crowd is earlier, is there a cross section? there is a huge cross section of people there and i think they were learning, listening and learning what's out there, it's a world of crazy out there.
and find out what people think in the cross section of votes. look on sunday morning. >> world of crazy, robert? >> i think jenny horn hit it. i think we expect a record turnout. >> you think so? >> yes, i talked to matt moore. the head. >> and the weather is beautiful. >> for and against donald trump. >> you agree with that, louis? >> the crowds he's turning out is dramatic. not in a republican county but 5,000 people out there the other night. i think also south carolinians like to watch a good night fight and quite frankly, that's what the primary always is here.
and then we had a bit of a laugh about how south carolina they say sir and ma'am but also get down into the mud with politics, right? >> get some ready. i think the rest of the campaign is not going to be easy. and get out and get ready. >> any of you three think donald trump will not win? >> it depends what your definition of winning is. and that would be interesting with how it breaks down to the mountains. >> it will be interesting to see the congressional districts in addition to the whole state.
>> the first primary -- marco rubio, jeb bush, does only one survive? >> yes. well, i think you put john kasich in there and he will be a big player at the end of this thing. but of those two, only one survives. >> reconvene sunday morning. and it's great, robert, michael, louis, thank you very much. and now to today's pulse question. should jeb bush drop out if he doesn't finish in the top three in south carolina? check out the results so far and keep voting at pulse.msnbc.com.
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as the hours tick away to the nevada caucuses, he is pounding the pavement heart. and msnbc's jacob soboroff joins me from the field office in las vegas. people go out to canvas. >> this is an event focused particularly on the latino community in the las vegas area. and then pouring all of your energy, time, and support into this support. >> this is one of the bernie sanders campaign offices in nevada. this is somebody spending time and energy involved in the
campaign even though they're not able to vote for bernie sanders on election day. you're a dreamer, undocumented. so you cannot vote. what are you doing running for someone to be president? >> getting my friends to get out and caucus. remind them and remind them. they know in order for me to get ahead, this is really important for me and my family. >> how important people are like you, dreamers, undocumented volunteering for presidential campaigns? >> there's a lot of folks working with campaigns too. >> tell me the story about how you crossed without papers. and then about a 15 passenger van, right? my mom was sitting to my left and it was so hot. i just remember that day.
it was so, so hot. and i asked my mom, do you want to trade because my little brother was so little. so we traded seats, and she sat there, and i kind of just remember it being so hot, so hot that day. i mean, i wake up, i wake up to us to immigration pretty much catching us. we had to get out of the van and stand in formation, and after they caught us, they take us in a bus to a detention center. >> when you think back on all of that and then now here today working for this campaign, i don't know, what does it mean to you to work on this? >> the reason why i'm excited to do it is because of my mom and dad. i don't want to live in fear again.
>> she was 10 years old in 2000 when she made the cross here and 15 years later, volunteering for the bernie sanders campaign. she's not the only undocumented american dreamer dreamer doing . this is pedro. he is 18 years old. pedro, simple question, you're undocumented, you came to vote for bernie sanders. why are you doing this? >> so i can get as many people as i can so we know that bernie sanders. >> what's the response? you knock on the door and tell your story and say, i'm undocumented but i vote for bernie sanders. >> they say, why not hillary clinton? and i give them the whole thing. >> undocumented dreamers working for the campaign and we will have more today. >> i'm looking forward to that. what a powerful story. thanks to you for that. and take a look at the stage in vegas where msnbc will host tonight's town haul between bernie sanders and hillary clinton. it will be hosted by chuck todd and jose diaz. after the break, we take the
pulse of south carolina voters. i spoke with voters at msnbc's town hall with donald trump last night and here's what they told me. >> i'm curious, what did you think of mr. trump? >> well, i thought that his presentation was not specific, but we came to ask the question about social security. we really didn't get our question answered and we are very concerned about the protection, defense and the extension of social security.
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the largest baptist church in south carolina. this is also my church. this is where i went to church most of my young life. lexington county. they also do quite the lunch here, by the way. five days a week. actually six days a week if you count sunday. you get all different types of folks who come out for lunch. there is a formal name, eric berry, who comes three, four times a week, someone told me. is that not true? >> probably once a week but every sunday after service. >> there is, as you know, a big race coming up. >> exactly. >> have you made up your mind? >> oh yeah. i'm a political science ladies and gentlemen of the jurior so, yeah. >> donald trump. >> no. >> jeb bush? >> no. >> hillary clinton. >> yes. >> you're a hillary guy? >> yes. >> why? >> because i feel that hillary, how her husband bill clinton did for black america to me, i benefitted the most when bill
clinton was president. therefore i think hillary would piggyback and get ideas from him and incorporate when she is president of the united states. >> you think hillary's presidency would be beneficial for people that look like me and you? >> i think so. >> not bernie sanders, though? >> uhhhh -- >> no? >> no. maybe ten years ago, but no. >> dr. ben carson? >> no. >> holding all of the polls in south carolina, does that surprise you? >> yes. because i know a lot of people. i don't know anybody that poll. so i don't know where they get the numbers from. but we'll see. >> barry thinks the numbers may be messed up. i'll let you get back to your lunch. >> thank you. >> there you have it. the voice of one particular voter here in lexington county. send it back to you in clarlston. >> that looks delicious. craig, thank you very much. that wraps it up for us. msnbc is your place for
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here in the palmetto state. a lot of developments this hour to fill you in on. donald trump has a new political feud. not with ted cruz or jeb bush. it's, get ready for this, pope francis. this after his holiness made a remark. >> if and when the vatican is attacked by isis, which as everyone knows is isis's ultimate trophy, i can promise you that the pope would have only wished and prayed that donald trump would have been president. because -- [ cheers and applause ] >> true. it's true. because this would not have happened -- >> unbelievable moment for trump. the other unbelievable moment, this. a poll showing donald trump coming in second place nationally. this is the first time in 31 consecutive polls that's ever happened.
meanwhile, consider this. the palmetto state's reputation of dirty tricks, throwing in photo shop and social media, and today a brand new photo this hour. this stock image, nothing exceptional about it. two men shaking hands. why is rubio claiming dishonesty by the cruz campaign. and rubio showing his not so secret weapon. nikki haley. republicans have a bunch of events across the state from the low country to upstate to here in columbia. katie tur is covering the trump campaign. about 2 1/2 hours away from me in south carolina. katy, let's talk about the public feud, words back and forth from the pope to trump. >> so earlier today, the hope was on the papal plane and he told reporters he doesn't think anybody who talks only about building walls and not about
building bridges is a christian. that was in donald trump's campaign and across the internet frankly. a direct attack on donald trump who has staked his entire campaign on building a wall between the u.s. and mexico. donald trump came out and he condemned the pope for the comments saying he was basically manipulated by mexico. mexico was feeding him negative things about donald trump and basically prodding him to say these negative things about him. he also questioned whether the pope has a right to question another man's faith. take a listen to this. >> for religious leader, to question a person's faith is disgraceful. i'm proud to be a christian. especially a religious leader should have the right to question another man's religion or faith. especially when they feed all sorts of false information into him. they are using the pope as a pawn and they should be ashamed
of themselves. that's the mexican government. they should be aashamed of themselves for doing so. especially when so many lives are involved and when illegal immigration is so rampant and so dangerous and so bad for the united states. >> now donald trump is not a religious leader, but take this as you will. last week tweeting at ted cruz. how can ted cruz with an ev evangelical christian when he lies so much. so some could say he is questioning faith. we asked a number of them after this event if they were bothered by donald trump's comments towards the pope. and they said they were specifically though because they didn't feel like the pope should have commented on this race. they felt the pope should stay out of politics. they told me it is about security, not about faith. donald trump supporters continue to not really care, frankly, about any of his inconsistencies, any of the
controversies, any of the drama he may produce on the campaign trail so long as he promises to build that wall is what his campaign has been staked on. and what supporters like most about him. thomas? >> yeah. full circle moment that takes us back to when he announced he would run for president. but katy, what does the campaign say about the other unbelievable headline, that cruz pull ahead of trump in national headline. >> trump is trashing that poll saying it is illegitimatillegit. and is a poll is an anomaly, and maybe not an anomaly, but we saw two other polls showing him leading nationally. they will choose not to look at that poll. our polsters said it could very well be an anomaly. could be they got different answers on this very poll. or they could be on top of something. they could be on top of a shift
in the campaign. we're going to see if nbc news uses a sound methodology. the poll came out drastically from others in the field right now. >> i was going to say, donald trump is like the other wall street journal nbc news polls. so you can't like them all, i guess. according to donald trump. ones that are favorable towards him he likes. the ones favorable towards him he likes. the ones negative towards him he doesn't like. same thing with the des moines register. he also said the same thing about the pope today. if the pope says nice things about him web likes the pope, if he doesn't say nice things about him, he doesn't like the pope. >> all right, katy tur following the donald trump campaign in south carolina. now, the growing battle for marco rubio for second place in south carolina. now checking in with nbc's halle jackson who is about two hours from here. it is neck and neck, halle. this race for who can come in second and show the strength to
punch their ticket through south carolina. >> reporter: absolutely. and you're seeing that in these campaigns. i want to show you because we are next to the cruz campaign bus. i can't flip the camera or else you can't hear me. but rarely are we side by side with ted cruz's bus. he is headed now to a retail stop in easily, south carolina. he will have barbecue with folks and chat about some things. we just saw mel in greeneville. we tried to ask him about any reaction to these papal comments, the comments that the pope made that you've been talking about. he didn't respond. he got right on the bus and is heading off to the next stop. he doesn't have a moment to chat with the media and have a gag el or availability. we will try to get a response from that. but what we did hear him talk about in a speech he just delivered to south carolynian republicans is justice scalia and the idea that death of justice scalia perhaps changed
the tone of the race and made people take it perhaps more seriously. you heard the crowd be very receptive to this. there are audible murmurs in the crowd. one woman stood up and unprompted in talking with the he is not senator said this issue is important to me. she came from california to south carolina just to see senator cruz. she believes this is the most important election in her lifetime. she believers the stakes are very high. that's the kind of thing you are hearing from supporters of ted cruz. i will give you another shot of the bus here. you can see the tail end of it back there. so cruz now is working on a strategy in south carolina to try to bring together the evangelical conservatives in this state. he is doing that by store example bringing together pastors, a coalition of about 300 pastors. and a super pac is trying to help him out with what they are calling closing arguments and ads talking about senator cruz abackground, biography and adds senator rubio specifically on his position and prior support
for immigration reform. so we are seeing in the last 48 hours, thomas, a heightened sense of stakes in south carolina of where the candidates need to end up. ted cruz hoping for second place. i'm not sure the campaign feels they can beat trump at this point given he is holding a dominating double-digit lead but they are hoping to tighten that as margins get closer. one more shot here and cruising to victory bus as we head over to easily. >> it is more like a sunglasses commercial for frank thorp. there's a better shop. there we have it, yes. cruising along with ted cruz. we will give you permission to gun it and get there ahead of him. thanks to you hallie jackson and frank. we can see frank is a good 2 and 10 driver. checking in with gabe gutierrez on the campaign trail. he joins me now on the phone.
gabe, we have the senator's war of words heating up. but also a lot of momentum behind him sense the endorsement of nikki haley. has rubio talked or given reaction to what is taking place over the last hour or so between the pope's remarks and donald trump? >> hey, thomas, yeah we just left a campaign in south carolina. we are heading to columbia right now. marco rubio did talk to reporters just before his event. he said that he wouldn't comment specifically on with what the pope said or donald trump's response because he didn't know the whole context of it. but he did say that he thought america was the most compassionate nation on earth when it comes to immigration. i will play for you exactly what he said. take a listen. >> there's no nation on earth that's more compassionate on immigration than we are. we accept a million people a year in the united states. legally. every year. mexico doesn't do that. no other country in the world does that.
but we're a sovereign country and we have a right to control who comes in, how they come in and when they come in. vatican city controls how people come in and when they come in. they are a sovereign state. the united states has the right to do that as well. >> senator rubio is side-stepping comments specifically. but his campaign is trying to build on the momentum from nick oo haley's endorsement yesterday. they are campaigning throughout the state with nikki haley as well as senator scott trying to brand themselves as new faces of the conservative movement and of the republican party. they feel like they can unify this party. interesting thing out of that gaggel we just had. i asked her, why did she choose rubio over bush, someone who really needed a jolt to bounce back and to, you know, do well in south carolina. here is what they said. she said, jeb is a dear friend. but there is not about picking friends. it is about picking who you
think will be the best president. i pick people on whether they can fix our country. this is about fight. this is about passion. clearly, thomas, if you read into the words you can see she felt that marco rubio had more passion for this fight than jeb bush did. very telling right there. thomas? >> yes. trying to leave it more political than personal about this and maybe that friendship will stay in tact beyond all of this. gabe, thank you, sir. appreciate it. we will talk to you again later. speaking of jeb bush, he is making different moves around the state traversing from stop to stop and a handful of event and one happening this evening and finishing one on the campus of university of south carolina. that is a stone's throw away from our location. peter, governor push is a catholic. we know he gave up swearing for lent. has he reacted to trump and the pope and has he given more comment to losing the endorsement of nikki haley?
>> yeah, we've got both those topics covered for you right now thomas. of course jeb bush was in the middle of town hall. i saw you a matter of minutes ago when the news of the pope and trump broke. as soon as it was done his aides quickly put together a news conference in front of his bus so he would have an opportunity to react to both the pope and to donald trump. so i specifically asked him for his thoughts on pope francis saying anyone who wants to build walls is not christian. take a listen. >> i support walls and fencing where it's appropriate for sure. we also ought to have other parts of this, forward-leaning, the border patrol, using drone technology. using gps technology. across the board we ought to have strategy to protect our border. and that is clear that that is not -- that's not an unchristian thing to do to make sure people don't come across our border illegally. that's a just thing to do.
>> jeb bush is the only candidate that is explicitly not pro fence. you heard his nuances on how to handle and protect the united states including drones and other tracking devices to help protect americans. on the second topic which is very significant here of course in the state of south carolina, that endorsement from governor nikki haley popular in the state who jeb bush only 24 hours before she endorsed his rival marco rubio describing her endorsement as perhaps the most meaningful one in the state. when he arrived at this event i pulled out my iphone just because it happened rapidly and here is part of the conversation when we asked him for his reaction to the haley endorsement going elsewhere. >> sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. [ inaudible ] >> no, got on schedule and advising the polls about where we are and we will work hard.
>> obviously part of that was hard to hear because we were shooting off of a phone. what was important that he note said that four years ago nikki haley supported mitt romney who he said at the time was up about 20 points and then said after he ended up losing by 10 to 15 point right now so in effect discounting the significance of that endorsement. here he is keeping a good sense of humor when asked inside bay young girl, thomas, his favorite book, he said "the art of the deal" by some other guy named trump or something like that. the rumor is that this may be his campaign's last legs. we asked whether or not he has been reaching out to donors or whether he has the money to continue past south carolina and he said, yes, i can. back to you. >> he seems pretty confident and i had a chance to shake the governor's hand and asked how he is holding up. he said fine, great. we have jeb bush supporters is having lunch at liberty tap
room. one thing i'm hearing from folks when they bring up jeb bush is they are surprised. a little wave. but surprised they haven't seen more and from former president george w. bush remaining on the campaign trail and shoring up support and we know his mom is coming back tonight. right? >> yeah. his mom is going to be here and barbara suggesting that she come and she would like to come back after his support of him and in terms of the former president george w. bush they felt like they add meaningful and effective event and if you are there, it was a powerful moment. and regardless of your opinions of him or of jeb bush it was a good event and i think most political analyst who agree he came out with a strong endorsement and spoke well and george w. bush has come out with a fund-raising letter on behalf of his brother and he met privately with nikki haley on monday. former president did. and i'm told the conversation wasn't focused on politics but
it did come while haley was considered an endorsement. george w. bouush has been a terrific advocate and jeb bush is thankful to have the former commander-in-chief advocating for jeb bush as the person best qualified to be the next commandener chief. thomas? >> a lot of movement. peter alexander reporting for us in south carolina. thank you sop. and gang, you did a good job, right? making your debut with your jeb t-shirts on. we have a pulse poll for you. should jeb bush drop out if he doesn't finish in the top three in south carolina? then tonight at 9:00 eastern, msnbc and telemundo host the democratic town hall with hillary clinton and bernie sanders. it will follow last night's town hall with donald trump. here is how voters are reacting to his performance.
. i don't think the pope has any business really in the political arena. so i think he was right. >> nobody has the right to question his faith. the pope doesn't know mr. trump's faith. >> so i'm hoping there is just a miscommunication between the two. because they are all very good people and good men and i do think donald trump is a good christian as is the pope.
>> man of faith shouldn't criticize someone else for having faith. >> we have reaction and we have this new stories, back and forth between the pope and donald trump dominating the talk of south carolina today. just two days ahead of primary as republicans go to vote this saturday. you can't look around the state here and miss a campaign bus, bernie sign, cruz logo or people talking about what did donald trump just say? for gop candidates, time is precious. and we've been talking to a lot of different people between college campuses, barbershops and time to get the skinny at a columbia beauty shop, talking to women with curlers and dryers over their hair, talking about 2016. >> anxious about this 2016 election. >> what makes you anxious? >> everyone says we're the swing state so i'm anxious to see what will happen. >> when i think of ted cruz's
name, i think of him as being tea party. >> does that make you nervous or suspicious of his motives? >> i think so. he even looks suspicious. >> marco rubio? >> you like him? >> not really. >> no? >> jeb bush? >> i could take him or leave him. >> ben carson. >> ben carson, no. >> john kasich? >> if i had a choice to pick a republican it would be john kasich. >> why do you say john kasich? >> i like his demeanor. i feel like he is honest when he speaks. i feel him. >> what do you think of donald trump? >> i think he is crazy. he says things just to be mean. and he is not rational in his thinking. >> bernie sanders has this idea about free public college tuition. is that attractive to you in terms of policy? >> let me say this to you. there's nothing in life that's
free. >> this arena for the presidency has been just so explosive. because you're dealing with a whole new group of dynamics with the republicans. it's somewhat amusing to me if i use the word, to just watch the dynamics of the republicans. i'm going to do this, repeal that. get the border patrol implemented. how are you going to do these things? these guys do all these debates and have all this time to tell us their plan but we don't get anything but a bunch of talk. i like bernie. >> okay. >> i like what bernie is saying. but i'm not hearing a solution. >> for your daughter, is this going to be her first election? is she old enough to vote yet? >> she is. she is registered and she likes bernie. >> she likes bernie? millennials like him. are more kids like her, 18-year-old first-time voters, are they more engaged?
>> they are. >> so bernie sanders could carry south carolina. >> i hope hillary will carry it. >> why? >> she has the experience. and i feel her. >> that's important to you? >> very much so. bernie sanders, i don't dislike him, but i don't feel that warmth. >> all right. love going to the beauty shop and checking the temperature. thanks to them. another jam-packed night on msnbc. interview with harry reid will happen on "hardball." then joe biden with rachel maddow. then directly after that, sanders/clinton town hall kicking off live from las vegas. stick around. we head out to the vegas strip after this. sure am. my staff could use your help staying in touch with customers. at&t can help you stay connected. am i seeing double? no ma'am. our at&t 'buy one get one free' makes it easier for your staff to send appointment reminders to your customers... ...and share promotions on social media? you know it! now i'm seeing dollar signs.
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state and winning because second place means a big loss. clinton met a group of workers in the laundry room at caesar's palace in las vegas. the campaign is also making an
appeal with latino voters. this new tv ad that started today features a young girl who fears her parents could be deported. >> i'm scared for them for deportation. i'm scared they will be deported. >> come here, baby. i'm going to do everything i can so you don't have to be scared. and you don't have to worry about what happens to your family or somebody else in your family. you're being very brave. >> so the latest cnn poll out of nevada has clinton up by only one point. meanwhile senator bernie sanders was in washington, d.c. today
meeting with civil rights leaders of the national urban league and this meeting is part of his increased effort to gain african-american support. all of this as both hillary clinton and bernie sanders prep for tonight's
democratic town hall on msnbc. there is a look at all of the prep going into that. we will have that tonight on msnbc. we have correspondent covering angles from the democratic race happening in las vegas. talking to campaign volunteers for hillary clinton, i want to begin with msnbc reporter alex sitewall covering the sanders camp. this has to be very good news for the sanders campaign and their strategy in nevada because they spent more time there than in south carolina so far. >> yeah, that's absolutely right, thomas. keep in mind that here in clark county, 75% of registered democrats statewide, tomorrow he is going up to elko, and this is two-fold.
number one it speaks to the tight race where every vote will matter and also speaks to the nature of a caucus. this is not a primary. the way delegates are awarded, it is actually beneficial to go to rural places like elko, reno, smaller cities. can you rack up delegates that you couldn't just in clark county. bernie sanders won more in the delegation than she did. >> we know the delegate count is very important but also punching a ticket through south carolina is very important as well and it is a tight race here. is his support kbrgrowing amonge african-american community? we have yet to see anyone from civil rights leaders that he met today come out with an endorsement for hillary or bernie. >> right, thomas, yeah. this meeting spokes to both candidates looking past nevada to south carolina and a lot of
southern states that will vote on march 1st. today in washington at national urban league, he thanked the civil rights group. representatives from civil rights groups for the work they've done and talking about civil rights in an economic way which is typical of his vision and take a look at what he had to say. >> since the wall street crash of 20007, 2008, millions of people have lost their jobs. their life savings. their homes. i understand. that the african-american community has been harder hit than any other community in america. i understand that it is unacceptable that 35% of black children in america are living in poverty. >> so this talk from bernie sanders is double-duty for him, like i said, in south caroline and that's where you haven't seen democrats talking about
immigration or other issues important to the latino community here in nevada because they have their sights focused on the next contests ahead. thomas? >> alex, thank you, sir. in 2008, nevada was a state that went to hillary clinton. so coming up a after this quick break, well go out on the campaign trail. what happens when you give jacob a go pro and a bicycle? we will find out. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain. tell 'em cedric sent you.
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jacob, on a dreamer's story. >> thanks. i appreciate that, thomas. these are fascinating individuals. she did go out and canvas for hillary clinton. i'm going to tell but that in a second. but similar to where i am now, launching from the bernie sanders campaign with the bernie bull horn. i don't know if i will get in trouble for doing this. they walked around like this into the neighborhood. there are neighborhoods all around like this nevada where volunteers are going out and knocking door to door. the volunteer i talked to, chesca, she is an undocumented american a doing this by buy sec el. take a look. so what's the deal with the bikes? >> we're about to go canvas right now. i take bikes so you will take a bike as well. >> why do you use bikes? >> i don't have a car. i don't drive. >> you don't drive? how come? >> i don't have a license yet. >> why not? >> well, i'm a dreamer. something i was very -- it is difficult to get. i came from the philippines and
when i was six years old in 2003. >> that makes me feel old. >> yeah, six years old in 2003. >> at what point did you realize that your parents had overstayed their work visa and you were undocumented? >> in 2007 when we moved here in las vegas. there is a lot of complications happening and eventually i found out that you know they were letting out paperwork on the bed and i found out that way. >> was it hard for you as a young kid? >> i didn't understand it. i was quite confused. but i didn't understand what our situation was and what it meant and consequences of it. >> do you tell people about your status? do you say undocumented when you knock ever? >> okay, this person is not here. >> give a second knock. you never know. what do you say to them about your status? >> we talk about personal stories. especially listening and hearing
other individuals. >> and what do they say? >> i've had other dreamers come out to me right at the door. >> you've had dreamers come to you at the door? >> mm-hm. >> how does that make you feel? >> i don't know. a happy feeling. because even back when i was going to school i've never had people come up to me until i came up to them. >> so all it takes is a door knock sometimes to get people to share stories like yours? >> yeah, it really does. you have to listen. that's all it is. >> all you got to do is listen. maybe someone will be at the next one. >> yeah. >>. >> reporter: thomas, she is not alone. hillary clinton and bernie sanders campaigns tell me they have scores of undocumented immigrants working for the campaigns. it is incredible when they think about event and door to door they are doing it out of passion for themselves and family. when you think about it, they do not have the right to vote. watching closely tonight in our democratic debate, thomas? >> jacob reporting forness las
vegas. great job, sir. we want to show everyone this old memory. take a peek. this is hillary clinton on january 18, 2008. this is the night she beat barack obama. silver state is the only caucus state that she won in 2008. this poll shows what is going on there. virtual tie between clinton and bernie sanders just two days ahead of that crucial caucus state. i want to bring out the democratic mayor of las vegas. good to have you with me. right off the bat, do we support a certain candidate at saturday's caucus? >> i have to correct you, thomas. i'm a nonpartisan. >> nonpartisan? >> i think the role of the mayor of las vegas needs to pull groups together in political parties together, not be divisive. so my sense is though we're terribly excited to have the town hall here tonight, the cleveland clinic, the institute for brain health and it is going to be simply fabulous. the lighting in there, frank
gary design building, really works so well to make sure that everybody sees something quite unique as well as the debate tonight that's going to be going on. >> we certainly look for substance as well as good lighting there. we always love good lighting. we like good substance too. let's talk about what is it about the bernie sanders campaign resonating for the people of nevada? this is a state that hillary clinton carried in '08. she referred to it as clinton country in the fall. thanks have shifted and it is much tighter than anyone could have predicted. why? >> we are told it is a dead heat out here and i believe it is because of energy and message that bernie sanders has been out there getting or the ground swell has been remarkable to get us to this point because you're absolutely right, in going back to the days when president bill clinton was elected, of course one of his roommates in law school, was the son of the publisher of one of our newspapers. so there's always been an energy for the clintons.
now of course for hillary clinton, that continues to stand up strong. but i really see a remarkable energy coming in by bernie sanders. coming to nevada, he's been going up north and down here. we're about 78% of the population. so this is really been remarkable. martin luther king, jr. holiday, our parade, one of the biggest in the country, he had a huge entourage out there coming up and going up and down the streets and having a motorcade as well. so the support -- >> let me ask you about what ground game is very important there and also the endorsement of the culinary union. are you hearing about which way they are leaning? >> i know they endorsed ruben kunin for the congressional seat held currently by congressman hardy. so they've come out in full support of ruben kunin. i would imagine there is going to be, you know, i think there's
going to be ail there pause here. i'm sure they're looking at their membership. that will be a good endorsement. but to me the most important thing is to rise above the apathy of getting out there to vote. i know we have these dreamers out there working on both candidacies. but to me it's got to be about getting your people to the polls to make the vote. and we've seen as in the rest of the country, an apathy there that people just, i guess they think it is futile. what difference does my vote make? from our perspective, we are working hard, regardless of anybody's choice, get out there, get registered and vote. >> mayor, do you get the sense this will be record turn yut like in '08? 115,000 people voted in the caucus then. did you feel it'll be as close or better this time around? >> you know, i think that's what our efforts about. you're saying the same thing thomas and we really are anxious nationally but certainly here in
las vegas and throughout nevada that we are getting that message out. your vote does count and especially in this democratic primary here. we're not having a primary as you know we have the caucus. in the vote when it comes down to him, we have candidates, you know, october 19th, final debate between the republican candidate and the democratic candidate will be held right here in las vegas, nevada at the thomas and mac center on the unlv campus. we are really -- that's what we keep saying. get out. you do count. is it does matter. and this is a very critical time for you to be aware of what you're doing. >> it certainly is. carolyn goodman, i'm heading to your way this weekend. i hope to run into you and interview in person. i will remind everyone about tonight on msnbc, our town hall. and rachel maddow going one on one with the vice president of the united states. that's at 8:00 eastern. then the main event, clinton and
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hi, everyone. we want to talk about the democratic fight in south carolina. monmouth university polls showing hoipt maintaining this whopping lead by 29 points. but will that lead hold on election day? joining me now is democratic strategist amanda loveday. director of south carolina democratic party and former communications director for jim clyburn. i'm not even going to talk to you about the congressman. >> thank you. >> i will let you off the hook about that. so you don't get angry calls. >> thank you.
>> do you think this overstates hillary's leading over bernie sanders? >> right now, no. i think that after the nevada caucuses, we may see a bit of a shift. as someone who is undecided, i'm a joe biden girl through and through. i saw her brave commercial that they are airing in nevada about the young hispanic girl worried about her parents being deported. that hillary clinton comes to south carolina, you will see that lead grow. >> do you feel like this person missing -- >> yes, no question. >> that hasn't been allowed to shine? >> i don't know if allowed to shine. for some reason, it's not there. appearing in that video. happened at that event, the commercial was being filmed and that is who we saw in new hampshire in 2008. i don't know where she is everyday. but if that hillary clinton comes to south carolina, i think she seals the deal here. >> from your position of having worked so closely with the south carolina democratic party, is that because a candidate clinton is too packaged?
that's an off script moment. that's a genuine authentic moment, reaction to that little girl. is candidate clinton a little too prepared? >> i think so. i think that's what we are seeing p. that's what you saw with marco rubio and the debate. if any candidate is too prepared, you don't see their personality shine. that's what we see that voters want to see because the ones winning are the ones who aren't scripted. >> young voters are flocking to bernie sanders and his message. winning 83% of voters under 30 in new hampshire. do you think he can replicate that success with young voters of south carolina? >> i went to the usc event he had a couple days ago here. it was remarkable. the crowd he saw -- >> you were feeling the bern, huh? >> i felt it there for sure. in 2008, 40% of voters, voting in our primary, were under age 44. he has a big group of voters here. >> as we look at what is taking place on the left and right in terms of ground game, hillary clinton has now 15 offices and more than 100 paid staff on the ground.
but as we think about what sanders has been able to do in nevada, and catch up and make it so tight, can they implement that strategy here? >> they have 200 staffers here, thomas. it is unbelievable, the sanders campaign that is, that they have in south carolina. they knocked on my door three times. i've never had a door hanger from the hillary clinton campaign. >> you think the clinton folks are taking south carolina for granted? >> no, i don't. i just think that sanders campaign is bigger an they have more of a mechanism to do the ground game. i think the clinton campaign realizes that o realizes that south carolina is important and they are trying to figure out what to do when they leave nevada. >> hillary clinton has all of the resources in the world. >> sanders has a bigger budget right now. i don't know. i wish they add bigger campaign. i wish you saw more pell on the ground. i think if he is able to pull something off in nevada you will see a lot of people come to south carolina. >> and jim clyburn is endorsing
who? >> i don't know. >> i tried. talking with voters ahead of saturday's primary, from columbia to charleston. craig is here to give us a preview of what folks are talking about. craig? >> reporter: you know, we spent time this morning not far from here, thomas, at a little spot called lizard's thicket. a local restaurant. about a dozen or so owned by a family here. one of my favorite places when i lived here. it is where i took my wife to meet my family when i brought her home for the first time to d.c. that is neither here nor there. just about every presidential candidate stops by a lizard thicket at some point. we did find a lot of folks with a lot of opinions at lizard's thicket and then we went to my church, brooklyn baptist church and we found a lot of folks there who had a lot of opinions as well about the candidates.
>> is this a marco rubio table? >> not sure. >> hillary clinton table? >> not sure. >> john kasich table? ted cruz table? oh. there's a big election coming up? >> yes, i do. >> have you made up your mind? >> pretty much have. >> who is your candidate? >> jeb. >> jeb bush? >> yes. >> donald trump makes it interesting. >> are you a trump supporter? >> no. >> why not? >> i'm just -- he hasn't said the right things to make me interested. i don't see any qualities, just don't see it. >> who is your candidate? >> hillary. >> why? >> i just -- just watching her in the debates, i'm interested in what she has to say. >> brooklyn baptist church,
largest black baptist church in south carolina and bernie sanders will be at the church for sunday worship this sunday at 11:00, thomas. >> craig melvin, thank you. appreciate it. we will look for you later this afternoon. earlier i went to a jeb bush event a few hours ago. stone's throw from the campus on usc. i ran into a supporter who want to be president some day. maybe first female one. take a listen. >> why did you want to come to a jeb bush event. you can't vote. >> i'm really into politics. i love anything campaign pg. anything political. i think he is a good choice. along with a if you others. i'm trying to narrow it down to see who i would want to vote for if i was old enough. i also like george, sr and his brother, george, jr. it is cool to see another george. >> so you're named after president reagan? >> yes, sir. and his father served with reagan so i think it is cool.
trump is a tv celebrity. trying to run for president. it is interesting to watch. i don't know how good of a president would he be. sure he is a great talker and everything but i'm not so sure if i trust him with american secrets. i want him to try to become president one day -- >> you want to be president? >> i have always wanted that. >> what about hillary clinton or carly fiorina? >> i like carly fiorina. i'm an fan of hillary clinton. >> so you have to wait until you're older to get our first female president or do you think there will be a female president before you? >> i was hoping to be first female president. but i think these politicians for the republicans have a great chance at being president and i don't think that people from the democratic party would have such as good a chance as republicans. because republicans are strong competitors. >> okay. president reagan, may i shake your hand?
>> yes. >> future president reagan. and jeb bush has the youth locked up. this is avery mullens from florida. avery, this is your sister, big sister, they is the one that asked the question of governor bush. you asked him what question today? >> what's your favorite book. >> what did he say? >> he said a book about his father george walker bush. >> okay. about his dad. what was the face you made? that young lady's name is reagan and your name is reagan. what did you do? what's the face? can you believe it? what a coincidence. yeah. all right. so anyway, these young ladies, thank you parents. h mom and dad. for letting us have the girls on. you're good looking jeb supporters. he does have the youth vote. here is another look at the question of the day. should jeb bush drop out of the race if he doesn't finish in top three in south carolina. head to the polls. cast your vote. that does it for this hour and
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♪ ♪ ♪ good thursday afternoon to you from lexington, south carolina. sunny lexington, south carolina. polls open here in south carolina roughly 40 hours from now and republican candidates will be using the next 40 hours to try and win over a handful of undecided voters left here in the palmetto state. donald trump appears to have a new target, the pontiff. the pope himself, pope francis is in mexico. apparently took issue with trump's plan to build a wall along the united states/mexico border saying quote a person who thinks only about building walls wherever they may be and not building bridges is not a christian. trump wasted no time firing back. >> for a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful. i'm proud to be a christian and as president i will not allow
christianity to be consistently attacked and weakened unlike what is happening now with our current president. >> ted cruz right now about to make a stop at mutt's barbecue. it is in the upstate about a hundred miles northwest of here. cruz's war of words with rubio also heating up this afternoon. latest feud over a picture of the florida senator. more on that in a moment. meanwhile, a live picture of the stage where bernie sanders and hillary clinton will participate in the msnbc town hall ahead of saturday night's nevada caucuses. they will be in las vegas for a town hall which you can catch only here on msnbc. much more on both the democratic and republican races as i continue my tour across south carolina. my home state. we were in the low country in charleston today we are in
lexington. we started the week in columbia. tomorrow we finish off in spartanburg south carolina and finish off in the upstate. this is a flight deck restaurant and here for roughly 25 years and another popular spot for gop president hopefuls. specifically because lexington county roughly told you 75,000 people one of the largest counties in the state we've made a lot of south carolina picking presidents. south carolina has gotten it wrong once. newt gingrich got it wrong four years ago. lexington has never gotten it wrong. 100% success rate. we will talk about that in a moment and we have our team of reporters standing out all over the state criss-crossing the state, following candidates. let's start -- let's start with nbc's kari sanders cho is in gaffney, south carolina.
>> good evening. we are in the northern part of the state. this is part of the state where they have the reagan democrats. as you know in south carolina when you vote you don't necessarily if the primary have to vote in what they call a closed primary. so we're here now with some voters who have heard, i believe, about the statement from the pope today. if not we're getting their immediate response. the pope today said that he doesn't believe that donald trump could be a christian if he wants to build that wall. so your reaction to what the pope had to say, and are you catholic? >> i'm not catholic. >> christian? >> yes. >> how do you feel about the statement from the pope today? >> i'm not really sure. >> what do you think? >> i'm christian myself. i think donald trump would be a great choice. and i'm not sure -- >> does it influence you when you hear that the pope said this about donald trump that saying
by building that wall he is not really a christian because a christian wouldn't try to divide and keep people apart. >> right. >> that's a tough question on the spot. i don't know how to answer. >> okay. we will see whether trump addresses it tonight. i suspect he will. we had the clans to stop by gaffney embroidery. this is a wonderful place. this is where they build the stars for american flags. so you see them. this is where they sew this. interestingly this is a company, largest one in the country building this portion of the flag. they've been in business for decades now. they have a population of employees that's about 70% hispanic. and probably comes as no surprise that among those hispanics that i spoke to that work there, many of them from mexico, they say they agree with the pope and complain that donald trump appears to want to
divide people. now all of those working there are americans of hispanic descent. they have have lived in mexico but are u.s. citizens. they are e-verified as they say. work directly as american citizens. but they say that they feel that donald trump sp taking this country on the wrong path. so not any surprise but none of them told me they were planning on coming here today to hear donald trump. craig? >> for house of cards fans, gaffney probably looking and sounding familiar. president of the united states on netflix. thank you so much. let's turn to marco rubio. of course now accusing the cruz campaign of dirty tricks. rivalry between the two senators heating up here as they battle it out for second place. behind donald trump up by 2/1 margin according to most polls. rubio campaign furious about this anti-rubio website put up
by the cruz people that features a photo shop picture showing rubio shaking hands with president obama. gabe gutierrez has been traveling with the rubio campaign. right now he is on the way to columbia there. and gabe, south carolina has a reputation for some political trickery, so to speak. some call it dirty politics. looks like south carolina not disappointing once again. >> yeah. that's exactly right, craig. definitely a place known for rough and tumble politics and not disappointing this time around. this has been going on for several days, this war of words between marco rubio and ted cruz. ted cruz saying that marco rubio's record is soft on immigration. he changed his stance several times and of course backing that 2013 so-called gang of 8 bill that ted cruz says essentially mounted to amnesty for undocumented workers you mentioned that photo shop
picture. and that is another example of ted cruz's dishonesty. that they doctored this photo to imply that marco rubio was shaking hands with president obama. the rubio campaign says this is from their website but they say that the rubio campaign is trying to from its record on immigration and they are simply pointing it out. this is back and forth that's been going on. as both candidates really struggle for some of the -- both going for evangelical voters and they both need a strong finish. we did speak with marco rubio and nic and nikki haley. we asked him about his reaction to something you've been talking about earlier in the broadcast about the pope's comments. marco rubio said he couldn't comment on specifics because he didn't know the full context of them but he did say that the united states is the most compassionate country in the world when it comes to immigration. take a listen.
>> that in the city controls how they come in and when they come in. a nation city state. the united states has has a right to do that as well. i haven't seen the context of the holy father statement and wouldn't comment on it directly other than to say this country has not just the right but obligation to control the process by which people enter the united states and by which people immigrate to the united states. >> donald trump's being the front runener south carolina. in a very good place with this endorsement. with nikki haley and campaigning with senator tim scott, as you know, very popular in this state. they feel they are the new faces, so to speak, of the conservative movement in south carolina and feel they can unify the party and the rubio campaign insists it can be alternative to donald trump. back to you, craig. >> gabe gutierrez on the road there. gabe, thank you so much. nbc's hallie jackson is in
easily can be south carolina. hallie cruz needs to fend off the charge for rubio for second place. what's the start of his campaign with just less than 48 hours to go now? >> i was going to say, getting close at this point, craig, you see cruz doing his start from a barbecue spot. i will ask you, you haven't endorsed in this race, senator. will you? >> i will endorse whoever is the republican nominee. i haven't made a decision on that. but a couple of my friends are running for president who i lining and will support. >> is that significant for voters looking no make their -- >> if it is significant to them, they are free to feel that. i don't know how many people know who i am here. but i'm in town speaking at a convention tonight. i thought while i was here i may as well do some stops with my friends running for president.
>> how about donald trump? is he someone you think can unify the party? >> i feel like cruz and rubio are two people, two known conservatives who have embraced conservative principles. i know with what they stand for and what policies they embrace. i still have questions about who donald trump is and what kind of president he would be. >> does it bug you to see as your two friends as you call them butting heads in south carolina? >> sure. i knew some of that would happen. some is inevitable. >> thank you so much. >> craig obviously, sewn tore rubio, senator cruz, we heard cruz at a stop a couple minutes ago talk about what is important for him in the race in south carolina. i want to play you a little bit of that. let's listen. >> we've got 11 more months of watching damage to this country. from a lawless and faithless
president who is eager to travel to cuba but unwilling to show up at the funeral of justice sca a scalia. >> all right. we are here and i will give you a quick look here. this is the press corps following around senator cruz. we are waiting for him to hop off his bus and head into the retail stop. he hasn't answered questions yet about the pope's comments. and the ones talking about all afternoon. we will keep you posted. craig? >> nbc's halle jackson for us there in easily. thank you so much for that. alan wilson a republican and south carolina attorney general, clintons, arkansas, clintons. massachusetts has the kennedys. and south carolina has the wilsons. son of long time congressman joe wilson. let's start with the news of the day. let's start with donald trump's comments, the pope's comments. i want to get your reaction donald trump lashing out.
this is more of what trump had to say. take a listen. >> if and when the vatican is attacked by isis, which as everyone know says isis's ultimate trophy, i can promise you that the pope would have only wished and prayed that donald trump would have been president. true. it's true. because this would not have happened. >> your reaction to that? >> craig, you can't write this stuff in hollywood. >> no, no, you can't. >> i mean, i just heard these comments. i don't have the full context of it. i don't think i'm qualified as attorney general to weigh in. i don't know the context in which the pope made the comments. i can't imagine someone's val salvation would be whether they built a bridge or wall between
two countries. even the holy pontiff is weighing in in south carolina. >> have you moderated and organized some of the candidates around the state, most recently in greeneville. you have heard and seen more from presidential candidates than a heck of a lot of folks. what strikes you most about these candidates? >> well, personally -- >> you haven't endorsed, by the way. >> no, i haven't endorsed at this time. >> there are two days left. >> i'm reminded of that quite frequently. but the candidates are all unique. when you see them behind closed doors when they let their hair down it is neat to talk to them. i've been with ten candidates and it is interesting to see them behind doors. >> if you were going to endorse, who would you? >> nice try, craig. >> not going there. >> no. for me i was trying to find what my role would be in this election process. i've had the opportunity to be on stage with most of the presidential candidates. all of the ones in the race
right now i've had the opportunity to be in different areas of the state. and to create a vehicle to present them to my constituents here in south carolina and give them the opportunity to talk about very important issues. my role has been to present them and give them an opportunity to talk to the citizens of south carolina. that's the role i want to play. >> i want to bring your attention to the new bloomberg poll. we will put the numbers on the screen for viewers. trump dominating this poll. and strongest leader, winning general election, taking on the washington establishment. only spot he does not lead, religious values. lexington county. evangelical to say the least. perhaps second to greeneville county in the upstate. primary voters roughly two third are evangelical primary voters. here you have a guy that is about to walk away by 2/1 margin. probably not the candidates six months ago. you would have said would closely identify with christian
evangelical beliefs. >> i don't think anybody, you, me, anybody -- >> how is he doing so well with god voters? >> i think it goes waback to anr and fear thing. he has tapped in to all of those -- >> he insulted john mccain. insulted women. talked about deporting muslims. >> here is the thing, i asked a trump supporter not long ago. he said donald trump is my middle finger to the establishment. that's what he spepd think what i it is is that people -- they may not like what he is saying but they like the fact that he is saying things and upsetting the apple cart. that's what they are attracted to. >> you think nikki haley endorsement will help rubio? >> i don't know.
can't hurt. but i don't know if it will put him in second place. >> and what about an alan wilson endorsement? >> don't think so. >> good to see you. thanks. in the countdown to gop primary under south carolina, candidates are not the only ones getting nervous. i spent a fair amount of time at brooklyn's baptist church this morning. this is my home church. my brother was married here. my grandmother laid it rest here. i've had many a lunch at this church. we spent time talking. take a listen to what they had to say. >> what do you like about the race so far? >> nothing. i don't see anything that impresses me with the race. nothing. >> on either side? >> on either side. i've been contemplating that for the longest. i'm thinking right now, where do i go from here? i don't hear anything that excites me about the race. on either side.
>> one candidate has spoken to you? >> no, not one. >> hillary all the way. >> why? >> because she's been there. she's been in the white house a long time. and i think she is the best candidate. >> experience matters to you? >> right. >> who's your candidate? >> hillary. >> why? >> i just just watching her during debates, i'm interested in what she has to say. i think she has experience that could help and the way we've been going, i think she will continue. >> and what about donald trump? >> it's getting bad. getting bad. >> you're an trump supporter? >> no, not any more. >> you were at one point? >> i thought about it at first. >> then what happened? >> oh, no. no. he is too mean. he's too mean. >> i benefitted the most when bill clinton was the president. that way i think hillary would piggyback and get ideaes from him and incorporate what should incorporate as president of the
united states. >> so you think hillary clinton as president would be beneficial for people like me and you? >> exactly. >> folks just don't gather there on sundays. they gather there for lunch during the week. largest church in south carolina. bernie sanders will be there during the 11:00 worship service sunday i'm told. a number of other candidates have been there over the past few weeks as well. we're at the flight deck re restaurant. the restaurant has been here 25 years. but 10 years ago there was a special event here. >> that's right, craig, and you were there for it. >> ten years ago, i proposed to my wife. we had a surprise engagement party and craig was there. >> i'm amazed -- >> you a how old we are. >> and the generosity of women too. your wife and i worked together many years ago. thanks for being here. while here in south carolina, hillary clinton and bernie sanders getting ready to take the stage in nevada. campaigning there in the silver
state ahead of the democratic caucuses saturday night. both candidates have a lot at stake in nevada. both participating in the town hall in las vegas. live look at kma event centered there in sin city. that's where the event will take place. can you catch it of course only on msnbc starting at 9:00 eastern. we'll be right back. you're an at&t small business expert? sure am. my staff could use your help staying in touch with customers. at&t can help you stay connected. am i seeing double? no ma'am. our at&t 'buy one get one free' makes it easier for your staff to send appointment reminders to your customers... ...and share promotions on social media? you know it! now i'm seeing dollar signs. you should probably get your eyes checked. good one babe. optometry humor. right now get up to $650 in credits to help you switch to at&t.
a live look right now at msnbc's town hall location tonight. less than six hours, hillary clinton and bernie sanders will be tackling the issues at what is a very crucial time. just 48 hours from now. critical moment in that race. who will come out on top in nevada. meanwhile here in south carolina, clinton way in the
lead. but if sanders pulls off the upset in nevada, all bets are off. stakes saturday tremendously high. tremendously hi. here's why. if clinton loses, it's another major loss after new hampshire. another week's worth of negative headlines for her campaign. if sanders loses, it could give clinton major edge after super tuesday and over well-meaning delegate lead that becomes very hard to beat. let's look at that latest poll again. in nevada. a dead heat. 48-47%. obviously within the margin there. kristen walker following the democratic race. just announcing new events from bill clinton today. saturday as well. is this a sign that the clinton campaign is very worried about nevada? >> they are concerned, craig. not only has bill clinton added an event. secretary clinton adding events earlier this week. and we have seen them down play
expectations. all a sign they are concerned about the fact this is going to be a very tight race. that's part of why you are seeing this strategy, this aggressive outreach it african-americans and latinos. each making up roughly 15% of the electorate in 2012, craig. today secretary clinton focussing on latinos. she scored the endorsement of the latino victory fund which includes a number of top latino lawmakers including luis gutierrez. and she released this ad today, craig, aimed at making an emotional push for latino votes. take a look. >> i'm scared for them because of deportation. i'm afraid they're going to be deported. >> come here, baby. >> so there is secretary clinton with a latino girl who is telling her she's concerned about her parents being deported. secretary clinton saying you shouldn't worry. i will worry for you.
senator sanders answering aggressively saying he would be the strongest candidate on immigration. there is a lot about that on our town hall tonight. sanders aggressively reaching out to both groups and today he met with the urban league in washington, d.c. in a number of civil rights leaders. he will head out here to nevada for that town hall. in terms of who is going to win on saturday, craig, it's going to come down to turn out if you see a lot of those young millennial voters turn out and even register on saturday. that could mean a sanders victory. it is going to be down to the wire. craig? >> right. same-day registration there. meanwhile, back here in south carolina, there is the new poll showing hillary clinton keeping that sizeable lead over bernie sanders. 59-30, almost 2-1 margin in the pal mmetto state. and black voters under 50, clinton's lead is even wider. senator sanders, as kristen just
mentioned, meeting with civil rights leaders in washington it try and close that gap. >> i want to thank all of you. not only for being here today but for work all of you have done your entire lives. you are fighting for racial justice, economic justice, social justice. fighting to make this country become the country we know it can be and should be. >> tim grant, hamilton grant, i have known since he was about 10 years old, co-chair of south carolina young leaders for bernie sanders. first of all, my friend, why is senator sanders having such a hard time in south carolina? >> i think senator sand serts progressing with the young people especially millennials. when you look at the older voters, i think more of them tend to remember the president clinton era and seem to familiarize themselves with bill's era and want to tie it together with secretary clinton.
but sanders has young voters as well. >> he is struggling with black voters, specifically older black voters. folk over age 50 losing by almost 3-1 margin. is that more of what you remember, just folks remembering the clinton years here in south carolina? >> yes and it has a lot to do with their familiarity with senator sanders. when senator sanders started this race, virtually no one knew who he was. people were not familiar with him. when you look at secretary clinton the clinton name, clinton brand is very familiarized. so it is easy to follow secretary clinton over senator sanders. as time progressed, people have become more and more familiar with senator sanders and his platform. so i think beginning to close the gap as women get more
familiarized with senator sanders, we will see an increase in voters. >> well, he's got nine days. is it reasonable to think he will close the gap in nine days here? >> i do think it is possible for him to close the gap and it is considerably favorable. we have a strong ground game here. up the road at my alma mater south carolina state university, his first stop on the tour and you see around the country different vibes and different moves of the rbcu tour and how they are connected with senator sanders. i think there is a -- the large part of the focus should be considered on the millennial vote. millennials have a strong disconnect with the political process. people are tired of politics as usual. that's why senator sanders message is resonating, especially here in south carolina. >> you look at the polls, he has a good ways to go. hamilton grant, tell mom and dad hello. always good to see you, sir. bernie sanders supported.
thank you. >> thank you, sir. welcome home. >> good to be home. weird to see you in a double box. i didn't know you were old enough to vote. msnbc is your place for politics. all night long. incredible night for politics here. starting at 7:00 p.m. on "hardball." chris matthews going one on one with harry reid. can the president get a vote on his supreme court nominee. then rachel maddow sitting down one on one with joe biden. that interview tonight at 8 awning eastern. then at 9:00 eastern, msnbc telemundo town hall with hillary clinton and host bernie sanders hosted by chuck todd all all three events here on msnbc.
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stuff about trump is not a good person. can you imagine? i got a call, as i walk up here, mr. trump, the pope made a statement about you. i said, the pope? what did the pope say? i like the pope. was it good or bad? because if it's good, i like the pope. if it's bad, i don't like the pope. now it is probably all over the world. who the hell cares? i don't care. >> donald trump just a few hours ago and some pointed remarks made about pope francis there. trump joining other gop candidates who are intensifying rhetoric as they make a dozen stops across the state today. here's what's on tap coming up right now. ted cruz is speaking at a campaign stop. ted cruz is at a barbecue joint called mutt's in easily south carolina. about two hours northwest of where i am right now. in about 2 1/2 hours, don donald trump will hold a campaign rally. about two hours from me in
gaffney. home of the big giant peach. at the same time, jeb bush will have a town hall about an hour north of where we are here in lexington. i want to bring in former executive director of south carolina republican party. hall miller, metro editor for lexington county chronicle. and jeremy, journalist, thank you for being here. we should note until recently you were a national campaign consultant for mike huckabee. donald trump. i want to show you what the "daily beast" put up. he is defending himself against what the pope said. here it is from the "daily beast" here. i think we have full stream. there it is right there. did the pope just sink trump? that's the headline there. did he? >> i doubt it. >> not even the pope can bring down dop donald? >> the pope's popularity is broader than the catholic
community. people like the pope. respect the pope. any time you talk immigration, you're in donald trump's wheel house. i don't think something lick th like this will affect his campaign. and this is theological incorrect and ridiculous. >> is it just not as ridiculous to expect that president of the united states will convince another country to pay to build a wall across the entire southern border? that's ridiculous. >> that's another topic. i don't know if that is equally ridiculous. this strikes a cord with most republican voters and most americans. our jobs are going somewhere. we have people coming into the country taking those jobs. for the pope to bring that up, i think only helps donald trump. to this point we have seen nothing begin to sink donald trump. i dent think this sinks him either. >> jeremy, let's look to saturday. donald trump expected to win the state. perhaps by as much as 2/1 margin
in south carolina. comments like that not expected to hurt him at all here? >> and the other thing i would say to add to what hogan is saying is that we probably would be talking about marco rubio and his -- the governor haley's endorsement of him. and whether he would live up to expectations and basically a totally different story line. that is sort of yet again hijacked by donald trump. i wonder, you know, marco rupo is coming around the state with tim scott and trying to present this fresh new face for the republican party. what a huge missed opportunity. so you know they basically can't get away from donald trump no matter what they do. it is hard to imagine that this change is on saturday. >> let's talk about saturday on the ground here in south carolina. i know you've been talking to a number of folks. there are reports in the last few days about super pacs for ted cruz. watching unprecedented efforts here and reports that donald trump is ramping up the ground
game in south carolina. are you hearing anything specific about what is happening on the ground? >> first of all, ted cruz has the best ground game around here for sure. got here the earliest. been here the strongest. as far as reports about what trump is doing, i don't see it. he add huge turnout in a rally here. probably one of the most massive rallies i've ever seen. as far as what he is doing locally, i don't think he is doing all that much here. and in the county. the state is probably different. >> you just hit on something that a lot of people said about his style of politicking. he has these massive rallies. you don't see donald trump spending time at places like the flight deck, shaking hands, kissing babies. and so far it hasn't hurt him. >> no, not at all. you will see way more rube why signs and cruz signs. you don't see the sort of the retail politics that good on with the trump campaign that you
do with the other campaigns. still, that said, i still think that trump has a pretty good advantage here. >> mike huckabee endorsed donald trump? >> i don't think mike huckabee will endorse anyone in this race. >> why not? >> he just traded in the snow for sand. he is at home in florida enjoying life. we just did all 99 counties in iowa for the second time. i think he needs a break right now. >> but you would acknowledge that an endorsement from mike huckabee who still has a fantastic relationship with evangelical voters would probably go a long way to someone like ted cruz specifically. >> sure. it would help anybody. he is one of the most popular in the country. he ranked at the top of likability in every poll. he is definitely well respected. many people watch his show on fox news. he is well known. well loved. well respected. i don't think he is go tock motivated to move quite this quickly yet. >> thank you so much. wish we had more time. thank you.
>> we just talked about ted cruz. let's listen in with ted cruz speaking right now and the campaign stop at mutt's barbecue up in easley. >> all across south carolina, people are waking up. just yesterday a new nbc wall street journal poll came out. [ applause ] and for the first time in many, many months, nationally, there is a new front-runner in the republican race. carried the weight of a family, and walked a daughter down the aisle. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and he prescribed lyrica. nerve damage from diabetes
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caucuses on saturday. but for some of those volunteers, their effort's about more than getting out the vote. at a bernie sanders field office in las vegas -- >> hey, craig. these guys over here are getting ready to send people out canvassing. let me invite you inside this field office quickly. they are launching from here today a targeted group of canvassing for hispanic outreach and latino vote and one person or one group in particular will be watching our msnbc town hall, that's undocumented campaign volunteers. i met one of them for the bernie sanders campaign, liz hernandez. take a look. so this is unlv? >> yes. >> you good to school here? >> i do. >> not only do you go to school here but you work at the front desk of a hotel on the vegas strip. volunteer for the sanders
campaign. >> i do workers rights. immigrant rights. lbgtq rights. >> i get the sense you are passionate about politics. >> you know what, everything about us is political. especially when you're undocumented. everything is political. >> reporter: when you turned 18 and you didn't have the right to vote, how did that feel? >> it was sad. >> reporter: you're doing all this work for bernie sanders, right? >> mm-hm. >> reporter: but you can't ultimately punch the ballot for that guy or do the weird caucus for him. >> right. >> reporter: is that frustrating? what does that feel like? >> well we can voice our voices, right? but not being able to do it on a ballot is hard. >> reporter: here we go. is this your table? >> this is a table. well, let's see. i look for friendly faces. hey folks, you ready to caucus on saturday?
>> yes. >> bernie? >> already signed up. thank you. >>. >> reporter: too easy. she is already signed up. >> are you registered for the caucus this saturday? you're not voting? why? >> [ bleep ]. >> hey. you ready to caucus for bernie? >> we're all good, thank you. >> all right. >> reporter: these people walk away and blow it off. to you, how important is it? when you see someone brush it off and for you it is literally a matter of becoming an american citizen or not. >> it is one of those things where you see where privilege, just i can walk away from caucusing. i can walk away from anything, right? >> reporter: you feel like can you walk away from it? >> no. >> reporter: craig, she feels like she can't walk away from it. she was 10 years old when she crossed the border illegally. she was detained by immigration. now she is working for a
campaign even though she doesn't have the right to vote. volunteers are going through las vegas trying to get out the latino vote. everybody, clindon, sanders volunteers alike will watch the msnbc democratic town hall tonight with the focus on immigration. back to you, craig. >> jacob, man about vegas there. thank you, sir. tonight democratic candidates, hillary clinton, bernie sanders will be there in sin city as well. msnbc telemundo town hall moderated by chuck todd and jose diaz-balart. meanwhile, back here in south carolina with less than 48 hours to go before the republican primary, donald trump holding a commanding lead -- excuse me. i have to sneeze, guys. gosh. sorry about that. more than doubling the support of closest competitor ted cruz. spending time this morning at lizard's thicket, a popular breakfast joint here in the midlands. the story behind the the
numbers, a bit complex as i heard from voters there this morning. >> we got bombast on one end, you know who i'm talking about. >> no, who are you talking about? >> easy, baby. >> he's from new york. >> so you're not a trump guy? >> yes, i am. he's an entertainer. >> but you like the entertainment. >> he is entertaining. >> you can separate this, this, this entertainer from the presidency? >> you got the sound. and the fury. my apologies there as well. in 15 plus years, i've never sneezed on live television. when we come back from south carolina, we will spend more time talking about precisely what we could expect to see on saturday. will that endorsement from nikki haley matter much? the race for second place here as well. representative todd atwater standing by. he knows a thing or two about politics. he will join me right here in
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get the bump to say what it said. i think it's unfortunate he made that call. >> donald trump defending comments he made about pope benedict earlier in the day. the pope was in mexico and said anyone who builds walls, not bridges, is not a christian. came in response to reporter's question about donald trump. almost immediately came the rep reply, trump said to question his faith is, quote, disgraceful. i'm joined now by a professed rubio support, todd atwater represents the area in which we sit. thank you for your hospitality. a great time in lexington today. start with the response to donald trump's comments about the pope. >> first, i would say, i don't think mr. trump brought this on. it just happened. so it's another reaction.
i do find the irony that where the pope sleeps at night has a 50-foot wall around it. i don't know that we're going to go down that road for very long. but you know, i think all of the candidates are saying we need border security. and that's the bottom line. so i don't think this affects a whole lot but another reaction to deal with. >> as you likely know by now, ted cruz it 4ing your candidate, marco rubio pretty hard, calling him a liar. one of his super pacs spending millions of dollars in ads targeting marco rubio. of course picked up the big endorsement yesterday. how concerned is team rubio these attacks will a measurable effect on him saturday? >> nobody likes negatives. they work, they're part of the campaign. in south carolina, we play a blood sport, politics is a sport of blood for us. and you know we expect these things. it never fun. it's never easy. but i think, you know, team rubio is going to stand for whatever it believes in, it's
not going to worry about this. this is part of it. and getting into the mud with it doesn't do us any good. the governor stepping in yesterday, i think, gave a big boost. >> you think so? is this something that really helps three days before? would it not have been more beneficial if governor haley come out two week ago, perhaps, spent some time crisscrossing the state with senator rubio? >> it's her timing, not mine. i don't question that for her. i know within the last 24 hours since she's endorsed i've had a lot of tweets and questions asked, texts from friends, i was on the fence, i was leaning towards rubio, glad you're on the team. you have tim scott, trey gowdy, nikki haley, the next generation of republicans all backing rubio. that speaks loudly that marco rubio is for the future, he's not a past candidate. >> does that not burnishes establishment credentials in a
race where folks don't really seem to like establishment candidates? >> well, listen, if i thought they were the establishment candidate i wouldn't be with them. can anybody in south carolina say nikki haley, tim scott or trey gowdy are establishment candidates? that's a challenge that just goes unheeded. >> a sign of the times in and we live compared to other candidates. >> well, no doubt. mr. trump is definitely not an establishment candidate. but i don't think you really have establishment candidates here. you have experience, you have youth, you have people looking forward fighting for the heart of the country and the future of this couldn't interest i. what the establishment means in south carolina usually doesn't go well with. we have proven that time and time again. >> talk about the area where we are, lexington county, so much made of south carolina picking presidents. very few counties in america have the track record that lexington does. they've picked every single eventual gop nominee in lexington county. marco rubio's not going to win lexington on saturday, is he? >> well, you know, history does
have a way of repeating itself and a way of starting new. i hope it's going to start new with lexington with marco rubio. if it doesn't, that's fine. people are going to make their own decision and i respect that. i've chosen marco rubio for a lot of great reasons but there are other candidates, other people will identify with. i'm not going to challenge them on that. i think it's a wonderful thing that lexington is so solid in that it is diversified enough to choose who they believe is going to be the best person for america. and that person for me is marco rubio. but for others it's going to be someone else. >> state representative todd atwater, good to see you. >> great to see you. >> folks wondering about the last name, there is a very distant relationship to lee atwater, very distant cousin. that is going to wrap up this hour of coverage from here in south carolina. i'm craig melvin. we are in lexington today. we were in charleston yesterday. i was in columbia tuesday. tomorrow, tomorrow we head to the upstate, going to sparkle
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liberty tap room in columbia, south carolina. the capital of the state, the home of university of south carolina, the center of the republican political universe. right now 4:00 p.m. here in voting in the south carolina republican primary set to start less than 48 hours from now. and it is also 1:00 p.m. out west in nevada, that's where democratic voters will be going out to caucuses in that piv pivotal democratic contest. that is almost exactly 48 hours from now. las vegas, home of msnbc telemundo town hall featuring hillary clinton and bernie sanders. more on that big event coming up we begin with the pope picking a fight with the donald. pope benedict in mexico, suggesting the republican front-runner is not christian because of his massive border wall proposal. here is what the pope said, quote, a person who thinks only about building walls wherever
they may be and not building bridges is not christian. this is not in the gospel. not surprisingly, there's a response from trump just a short while later. >> for a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful. i'm proud to be a christian. no leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man's religion or faith. especially when they feed all sorts of false information into them. they are using the pope as a pawn and they should be ashamed of themselves. that's the mexican government. they should be ashamed of themselves for doing so, especially when so many lives are involved and when illegal immigration is so rampant and so dangerous and so bad for the united states. >> the pope is broadly popular in the united states, keep this in mind, among republicans, his
popularity dropped almost 30 points over the last year, as he weighed in more and more on politics. also brewing right now on the campaign trail here in south carolina, a quote, culture of dis honehonesty how marco rubio team is characterizing cruz. pointing to this photo, it purports to show rubio shaking hands with president obama except that is not actually president obama or marco rubio. campaign says it's photo shopped, an altered version of the stock photo. the rubio team crying foul over this. we will tell you more about what they're saying and how the cruz campaign is responding in just a minute when i speak with formal presidential candidate and rubio supporter bob by jindal. more good news for rubio, key jeb bush supporter 1996 republican presidential nominee bob dole, this afternoon,
sending the republican establishment a potential signal to start shifting from jeb bush to marco rubio. on a call with national review, dole tabbed rubio as his second choice in the race discussing the disappointing state of the bush campaign. our team is spread out across south carolina. ready to cover all angles of the race right now. but first, not often you hear words, pope and disgraceful in the same sentence. we did today, thanks to that tiff with donald trump. for more on that, the donald and the pope we go to nbc's kerry sanders, in gaffney. what's the latest you can tell us? >> reporter: well, donald trump will be here before a crowd of about 1900, that's the seating that they've set aside here in gaffney. at all of hus ralis rally he gey says he's a christian and christianity in the country is under attack and he gets a fair amount of applause when he says that. now he's getting attacked by the pope. 69 million americans are
self-identified catholics. in south carolina, only 7% of the population here are catholics but nonetheless, the pope questioning his christianity, is raising eyebrows. what donald trump had to say -- >> if and when the vatican is attacked by isis, which is everyone knows isis' ultimate trophy, i can promise you that the pope would have only wished and prayed that donald trump would have been president because -- it's true, it's true -- because this would not have happened. >> reporter: now, we'll likely hear more of that tonight when he speaks to the folks here. i'm in gaffney, was in the northern part of the state. we went to gaffney embroidery today, a beautiful location because of what they do, they make a good porths ion of the
american flag, they make the stars that go on the american flag. it's the largest factory of its type in the united states. of the 50 employees there, 70% are hispanic. so, i had and opportunity to talk to them about what they thought about what the pope had to say about donald trump and christianity. what do you think when you hear the pope says that? >> i agree, i think -- i don't think a man has a heart like that would do it, like you know, if he's a real christian he wouldn't do it. >> reporter: and you are from mexico? >> uh-huh. >> i can't judge whether