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here's what we do know though. if nevada makes a hash of this thing again tomorrow, this may be the last time the state gets to hold an early caucus. the national review calls it a fore gone conclusion that national republicans will relieve nevada of its place as the fourth state on their calendar if there's not a miraculous turnout tomorrow and a really smooth vote. it's make or break time for nebraska. make or break. no pressure. you handle the pressure well. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> hey rachel, it's 7:00 p.m. in vegas, and you have now just finished work. so you have a whole vegas night ahead of you. to go out thereto -- >> cha-ching. >> and you look like you're having too much fun. i'm coming out to vegas tomorrow and the first thing i'm going to want to know when i get there is what did you do last night.
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so save your story for tomorrow. >> it involves a roll of pennies, i can tell you right now. >> i'm sure it will. >> thank you, rachel. well on the eve of the nevada caucus, ted cruz fired his most valuable player for tweeting something that wasn't accurate while donald trump and marco rubio continue to call ted cruz a liar. >> i asked for rick tyler's resignation. >> one of his top aids fired after spreading misinformation about marco rubio. >> wasted no time jumping on cruz, tweet nothing dirty tricks. >> i can't take it anymore. basic manners are gone from politics, what is with it with these ding dongs? >> you're not sure that marco rubio is eligible for president? >> i don't know. i've never looked a it, george, honest will be we i've never looked at it. >> we're going to support whoever the nominee is. >> donald trump, yes, donald trump is now the clear front runner to win the republican nomination, can you believe
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that? >> you could say that trump is the candidate "fox & friends" admit it. >> it's just like when you have a bad dream, except this is real and will probably ruin your life. >> we have to vote for another president. >> no! >> what's the secret? >> she's going. >> just keep moving. >> we're glad to have you here. today, one day before the republican caucus, ted cruz fired his communications director to prove what a clean and honorable campaign he's running. >> yesterday a staffer from our campaign sent out a tweet that tweeted a news story that propurted to candidate marco rubio saying something about the bible. the news story was false. that staffer dleelted the tweet, apologized, and pulled it down. i investigated what happened
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this morning. and this morning, i asked for rick tyler's resignation. i had made clear in this campaign that we will conduct this campaign with the very highest standards of integrity. that has been how we conducted it from day one. it is why when other campaigns attack us personally impugn my integrity or character, i don't respond in kind. >> the tweet that rick tyler sent out quoted marco rubio saying there are not many answers in the bible when in fact marco rubio said something like all the answers are in the bible. rick tyler apologized to marco rubio on facebook saying i assumed wrongly that the story was correct according to to the cruz staffer. the senator made a friendly and appropriate remark. marco rubio, certainly doesn't think firing rick tyler was enough. >> who's going to be fired when ted cruz is president? because this campaign now has repeatedly done things they have to apologize for and no one's ever held accountable.
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who's going to be held accountable for making up this video? for lying about ben carson? who was held accountable for robocalls and who was held accountable for the commercials on televisioning that they had to pull down? >> of course donald trump who spends most z-day loved every bit of this. and the series of tweets donald trump said, wow, ted cruz falsely suggested marco rubio mocked the bible and he was just forced to fire his communications director. more dirty tricks. and ted cruz has now apologized to marco rubio and ben carson for fraud and dirty tricks. no wonder he has lost evangelical support. and then ted cruz should be disqualified from his fraudulent win in iowa, weak rnc and relationship leadership probably won't let this the happen. sad. joining us now, tom davis, former congressman from virginia. he's the state chairman for john kasich's presidential campaign now. also with us, david from, and john walstone, the host of walstone live on pbs magazine.
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john walstone, it's hard to pretend that there's much suspense about who's going to come in first in nevada. >> looks like donald trump's going to win in a landslide. and the private data indicates that he's in the 40s. which would really be a landslide, but again, you know, this is a caucus, it's a caucus run by an organization, the state republican party that is totally dysfunctional. and took two and a half days to count 33,000 votes four years ago, and it's on a tuesday night with different start times. so who knows who's going to actually turn out? but donald trump even as we speak, lawrence, is having a huge rally, huge, with where the line started at 1:00 for a 7:00 rally. i think his people are going to go caucus. and i think it's going to be an ugly night with rubio and cruz again boasting about who finished in second place.
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>> tom davis, marco rubio could have maybe won south carolina if jeb bush was out and threw his support to rubio, if john kasich was out and threw his support to rubio. how much pressure is there for john kasich to throw his support to rubio? >> well, they put pressure, but it's not going to happen. look, these are front ended to be in deep red states. except for new hampshire where john kasich was second. iowa caucus, south carolina, conservative stayed, nevada's caucus. you go to super tuesday, mostly southern, but you do have vermont and massachusetts in there. we need to get to the states where we're going to perform well. illinois, michigan, ohio, just because it's front ended in a map, it's not good for us doesn't mean you should pull out. we've only had four states in at this point. and i think we deserve a shot at the pie. >> let's listen to what ted cruz said today about donald trump and why he doesn't believe donald trump's going to be president.
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what that means for this campaign. let's listen to this. >> i believe that donald trump will not be our nominee. but the only way to beat him is for conservatives to unite behind our campaign. if other candidates devote all of their time and energy to attacking us, to engage in personal slurs and attacks, it is possible they could weaken us to a sufficient extent if they hand donald trump the nomination. that is a possibility. i hope that it doesn't happen. >> david, is that possibility a real prediction that they will weaken ted cruz to the point where donald trump will be the nominee? >> that seems to be donald trump's plan. judging by his activity, i mean, while everybody keeps insisting that marco rubio is the theoretical front runner that the theory of donald trump seems to be he wants to be in a two-man race with marco rubio.
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much more than he wants to be in a two-man race with ted cruz. that's why ted cruz is the next man he wants off the island. >> let's listen to what rubio said today about trump. >> if we nominate someone that half of the republican party hates, we're going to be fighting against each other all the way to november. we will never win that way. we can -- i don't care how much you may think they're funny or how interesting they may sound, if we nominate someone that 40 to 50% of the party can't stand, we are going to lose. >> john, there he is campaigning against trump, but he's afraid to actually mention his name. >> well, i think he's afraid to take him on for obvious reasons, lawrence. you should see what's going on here in nevada. it's just a rubio, cruz slug fest out here. you played some of the clips. trump, i think trump's theory in the case is very, very simple, is these guys are all going to stay in. cruz and rubio, they're both have their ways they think they
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have a past for the nomination. kasich you just heard from the congressman isn't going anywhere, even ben carson is hanging around. and ben carson had a big rally here today in nevada. i think he may do better than people think tomorrow which is bad for cruz and rubio, obviously. and so, i think trump could win by a huge margin. again, lawrence, this caucus is very difficult to predict. the democrats had 20 to 25% turnout on saturday, the republicans will be lucky, i mean lucky to get half of that. >> let's look at the latest nbc news poll on donald trump's favorability. his unfavorable is 59%. his favorable, 28%. tom davis, your party now has a front runner for the nomination with a 59% unfavorable. why isn't john kasich going straight at that 59% unfavorable every day and hammering away at
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donald trump? >> well, i think he hammers away at electability, just look at the map. states where john kasich is going to produce well, they come later in the cycle. this is front ended at this point to disadvantage candidates like kasich. as we get to super tuesday, you'll have massachusetts, vermont, parts of virginia, parts of tennessee where i think he can do well. remember, in south carolina, rubio spent like 11 or $12 million and had the whole establishment with him. came out with no delegates to speak of. these are, at this the point, proportionate delegates. so i don't think there's a need for everybody to come together behind one candidate yet if they want to stop trump. they can wait until march 15th is when you get the winner take all races and if this hasn't gelled by that point, it's going to be straight ahead for trump. >> david, do you agree with that? is narge 15th still the spot where it might be public to stop trump? >> it's going to come up earlier than that.
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i mean, before march 13th. republican party will have picked nearly a third of all the delegates. there's close to half. so, it is -- this is going to be march 1st is really decision moment. if march 1st is as big a day for trump as it now looks, i don't know how he gets stopped. so this is like, it's a collective action problem. right? these candidates needed to seek they're difference. they're each convinced they have that unique thing. and we in the media are weirdly the most convinced about the weakest of the candidates. we are most certain that marco rubio is strong, but yet he's really the weakest for this reason. the central issue, the last time we're on the central issue was obamacare. and the republican party was against it, and somehow they nominate the man who was intellectual father, mitt romney who designed the same plan in massachusetts, or very similar. this time around, the central issue in the race is immigration for republicans.
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marco rubio is the most strongly identified candidate with the position on immigration that republicans reject. so he, it's hard for me to see how he goes anywhere. and yet, he is the one who's constantly calling on all of the others to drop out. >> marco rubio has conservative talk radio hammering that point against him all day, every day. that he's in the wrong place and has been in the wrong place on immigration. >> yeah, and david's right, i mean, he has been running away from the gang of eight, he's been doing revisionist history on the gang of eight. he's changed his explanation on that. that's a very weak position. and trump eventually, if it ever came down to trump and rubio. imagine what would happen there, lawrence, in that match-up, and trump is just saying exactly what the base wants to hear about immigration and even cruz, although rubio tried to muddy cruz a little bit on immigration, i think that if
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it's rubio, the argument, david is making is correct in the sense of what is his argument. where is he showing strength? he gives victory speeches when it finishes in third place. i think he has to start win, and there's no sign that that's going to happen. lawrence. >> tom, go ahead. >> march 1st is important for ted cruz because that's highs texas primary. let's see how he performs there against trump. if he doesn't win that. i think that knocks him out at this point. and rubio has the 15th in florida. if he doesn't, that's winner take all. if he doesn't win that, he's out of it. there are a lot of contingencies and a long way to go. >> tom, when we come back, i want to the ask you, if it does get done like as you tried to outline. if it gets down to trump versus kasich, exactly what that fight's going to look like. stay with us. coming up, bernie sanders now thinks that he's winning, and you'll hear him explain what he mines by that. and later, a very special last word tonight from the simpsons,
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today as yet another opportunity to attack ted cruz for running this ad against donald trump. >> life, marriage, religious liberty, the second amendment. we're just one supreme court justice away from losing them all. >> when president trump ban parable abortion? >> look, i'm very pro choice. >> but you would not ban it. >> no. no. i am pro choice in every respect. >> we cannot trust donald trump with these serious decisions. >> we're back with john, tom, and david. david, the trump threat to sue over this ad because it actually uses donald trump saying what donald trump thought is certainly the craziest lawsuit trump has proposed so far, but he continues in his objections to the ad to draw attention to him. >> he draws attention to it, and
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it points to something important in the politics and months ahead. you know, there's a lot of loose talk about michael bloomberg may be entering the independent race candidate. but, a much more likely scenario it seems to me if donald trump should emerge as a republican nominee. at this the point, hillary clinton is pro choice. and another candidate, donald trump who arrived at a pro life position not very credibly very, very recently. and the substantial pro-life community in the united states which has dominated the republican process since 1980 is going to be out in the cold. and the question is going, is there going to be a space for a third party run by a convinced pro life candidate? >> so that's going to be a fourth party run if you have mike bloomberg -- >> i don't think he'll do it. >> tom davis, do you see that opening? this doesn't strike me from where i sit, is that different from mitt romney's switch in abortion politics? and it seems to me, and i understood it that the anti-abortion forces care what
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you think now. and, they all believe in religious conversion, they all believe in religious changes of minds. and it's not really shocking to them the notion that someone might actually change his mind or her mind about abortion. >> it had no affect in south carolina. which is a state you would have expected to have some. so no, i think trump has rewritten the wrul rules in term was what candidates previously said, previously contributed to and can get away with. you asked me about kasich and trump db. >> let's go to that. >> just a second, lawrence. get to that. two arguments, one is that case sick a person with a very substitute record in public policy and balancing budgets, creating jobs, et cetera, versus talking about him. but secondly, you don't just have the presidency at stake this november, with the presidency goes the senate and the supreme court. you basically have 80%, and putting a candidate up with 59% negative is not a way to win the presidency. it's a way to jeopardize your
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senate majority and if you lose the supreme, you lose the court for a decade. that works for governor kasich or either of the other two candidates one on one. >> in the one on one polls that have been run, trump loses one on one to rubio by 16 points and loses one on one to cruz by 16 points. and in the current version, he comes out ahead of john kasich. do you think if tom davis' theory of the case holds and we see those other two fall away and we eventually do get through a day when it's one on one with john kasich that that dynamic would be different than those polls would then obviously have to take on a whole new version of themselves to make sense in that new context. >> well, i think what the congressman said, lawrence, first is the most important thing that he said which is that donald trump is rewritten all of the rules. all the rules that we all thought we understood about presidential campaigns and
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politics and what would hurt a candidate and what wouldn't hurt a candidate are gone. and so we don't know what's going to happen. you know, trump's support is much broader than i think people understood, if you look at the polling, he's drawing some moderates, he's drawing somewhat conservative, he's drawing very conservative voters prp we don't know what's going to happen. of course tom davis is right that these later states favor john kasich, but the way, and i hate to use the word, the way the their ty is written in these -- narrative is written in these presidential campaigns, it may be too late for kasich and trump may have the whole thing locked up. i'm not so sure it's even worth talking about. but again, i think that anybody who thinks they know based on history what will happen down the line in this presidential race is probably going to be wrong. >> i think we're all being very tempted in our pronouncements, including john davis who wants a certain outcome, i don't think he promised us that's the way it's going to work. david from, the big danger to the trump campaign remains every
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day, donald trump. he is capable of saying the strangest things at the strangest times. they fly by at very high speed in the last debate he said that he lost, as he put it, hundreds of friends. that was his term. hundreds of friends on 9/11, of course that isn't true. the next day he reduced it to many, many friends. no one caught that, and hasn't caught it. but it's the kind of things that shows you he's capable of at any moment of saying something very strange which none of us can predict what the affect of that is. donald trump can't predict what the affects of those things are either. >> well, who among us has not made the exactly the same point you just made? and i don't know, one of these days, he's going to get into a fight with the pope, then he's going to be finished. and he did get into the fight with a pope and he's not finished. if getting in a fight doesn't finish you and mother theresa isn't here anymore with us. i don't know what the thing that he would do, confess to the kennedy assassination?
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what would be in a thing? >> well tom, i would say that there's two ways to talk about this. what can cause trump a problem on the way to the republican nomination and what can cause him a problem on the way to the white house? and it's, it's easier to see his route to the nomination than to the white house. and we don't know what his dust-up with the pope has done to him in general election politics. and the dynamic was running one on one with a democrat. we don't know about the effect of all of these things and how they might play out if he's actually the republican nominee and people were casting a real vote on who goes into the white house. >> lawrence, i think we do know. that's what that 59% unfavorability tells us. that he is the least electable of the republicans running. i mean, the one thing he has going for him is hillary clinton also has high negatives. now, she's a more known commodity, we don't know thousand shaped up. there's a lot of things that
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have to happen between now and november, but you're really rooting for republicans who are concerned about the supreme court and the future of putting your weakest candidate cup. should they continue with trump. i think that's very clear in the polling that the point. the way the nomination is more complexed because of the way you front and a lot of these deep red states that are very conservative in their preference within the republican party. and that has disadvantaged the john kasich's of the world dau to some extent, rubio. he spent $11 million in south carolina and came up with zero delegates. >> david and tom davis, thanks for joining us tonight. john, i will see you in vegas tomorrow night. >> look forward to it, lawrence. >> thank you all. up next, donald trump versus marco rubio. your credit is in pretty good shape.
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marco rubio has been picking up endorsements fast. just this evening, the boston harold endorsed rubio one week before the massachusetts primary calling him the republicans best hope to bring the party and the country together. earlier today, rubio picked up endorsements from former senator bob dole, former minnesota tim pawlenty, tom tillis, and the arkansas governor. now donald trump is going after marco rubio calling into question his eligibility to be president. >> you're not sure that marco rubio is eligible to run for president. you're really not sure. >> i don't know. i really, i never looked at it. somebody said he's not and i retweeted it, i have 14 million people between twitter and facebook and instagram and i retweet things and we start dialogue and it's very interesting. >> joining us now for an interesting dialogue, columnist for the daily beast, political correspondent for the washington post.
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ann, we surveyed our constitutional scholars here at the last word today including a few harvard professors who have by the way strong quells about ted cruz's eligibility. they all question his eligibility. they all guarantee marco rubio's eligibility. there is nothing to talk about in his eligibility, but there's donald trump trying to play that same card with marco rubio. >> yeah. i'm not a constitutional scholar, but i agree with yours certainly on the face of it the letter of the constitution suggests absolutely no trouble for marco rubio in that regard and open question for ted cruz which is a really interesting constitutional issue right in the middle of the race this time out. what trump is doing here though which is hey, i'm not, i'm not saying he's not eligible, just
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raising the question. i'm just retweeting. it's, you know, transparent, but also interesting and sort of entertaining until its way. >> and jonathan, this is a guy that retweets white sprem cysts and say, it's just a retweet. >> right. i think he'll probably get away with it. surprising to me that if he was really thinking this through, he would be wanting to keep his fire on cruz and actually let rubio start to do a little better a week from tomorrow on super tuesday because, if rubio does better in texas, say, the combination of trump and rubio could defeat cruz in his home state. a week from tomorrow, cruz could be dealt a really serious blow if he can't even carry his own state. and that would be aided by rubio doing a bit better.
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so if trump were smart, he'd be having a little pat of convenience right now with rubio. >> but ann, it sounds like he's nervous about both of them and he wants to direct just as much fire at both of them at this point. >> yeah. i think he is nervous about both of them. and if we step outside the room of the republican race for a moment and look at who the democrats are training their fire on, i mean trump has reason or it worried about both of them. certainly from the hillary clinton camp which is what the one i'm most familiar with, they're most worried about rubio and have been for a very long time. cruz is certainly a threat from the democratic perspective. they see rubio as a larger one, and that sets up of a binary question for the democrats either do you go all in to go after trump or do you assume that at some point this trump thing will burn out which
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everyone has said for months and months and hasn't happened. who seems the like the most logical next step down after trump burns out if the he ever do. >> is that gigantic disapproval rating that trump has 59%. if you are on the democratic side of this, are you rooting for the guy with the biggest negative? are you rooting for cruz, the most right wing guy and is roous owe the one you don't want? >> if you're a democrat, you've got to be careful, it's hard to reach over the fence -- >> so, you know, from, from a democrat's perspective, it's probably easiest to run against cruz because he's so isolated over on the right that he would probably be the easiest, i imagine the most worried about trump with the wild card. rubio would beat hillary and she's the great establishment hope. talking to some reporters who cover rubio for a long time. they think he would be destroyed
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early. and that conventional wisdom is just all wrong. and rubio would be pretty easy for hillary to run against. but too many variables to know for sure. from trump's perspective, and i think he wants to keep it a three-man race as long as possible and kind of wound each of them on different weeks. beat cruz in texas, beat rubio in florida, but have neither of them drop out, they both have money. it's not likely to happen so they can continue to split the opposition to him. >> and ann, what about john kasich pulling up the rear there? we just heard from tom davis they see a scenario where he hangs in there long enough and he gets passed these very red
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states into states where the case can get some transaction. >> well, i mean, he hasn't gotten any transaction yet. he's the last of the reasonable men in the, if you want to look at it that way, in the current republican field. and i don't mean that in a pejorative way to those who have gotten higher marks than he so far in the contest. i just mean he's sort of the nice guy, the governor guy. >> everybody knows that's your son's foot. >> no, he's, he's the guy that everybody's like oh, yeah, that guy could be president. but he has not gotten one inch of transaction so far. and i think he really put his foot in it today with this remark about women coming out of the kitchen to support him in his first run for the state legislator. i mean, may actually have been true in the late '70s when he first ran that the woman who
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volunteered for his campaign did actually leave their kitchens to support him, but it's not something that is going to play well in 2016. and it sort of sounded flat footed and unfortunate for him, and i think it'll do him some damage in the long-term. >> he did get more transaction than marco rubio. he finished a very solid second in new hampshire and rubio hasn't managed a very solid second anywhere yet. so, you know, he's, i agree with you that he's not going well for him. he has to wait an awfully long time before he gets to those big industrial states where he might have a better chance. i won't count him out either. he's a good candidate. i was covering him on his bus in new hampshire toward the end there and he really brought up his candidate skills. >> it's amazing he's running against the most politically correct candidate in history and he had to spend half the day fixing a politically incorrect statement about women in kitchens in the morning. if trump said something like that, nobody would have noticed
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in boston today, bernie sanders said that his policy positions are earning more democratic party support than his candidacy is. >> secretary clinton month after month after month seems to be adopting more and more of the positions that we have of aly dated. that's good. and in fact, is beginning to use a block of the language and phraseology that we have used. in fact, i think i saw her tv ad, i thought it was me, but it turned out, it was secretary clinton's picture in the ad. but the people of massachusetts and the people of the united states need to know the difference between hastily adopted campaign rhetoric and the real record and the long held ideas of the candidates.
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>> back with us and jonathan, ann, do you think hillary clinton's positions have adjusted at all because of the presence of bernie sanders in this campaign? >> absolutely they have. i mean, starting months and months ago with keystone and tpp, and those are the largest of the two shifts, but there are more subtle ones since then. you just see her adjusting rhetoric here and there. clearly they don't like to say it, but clearly sanders is pulling her to the left in this phase of the campaign. not in a huge, huge way, but, but in a real way. and it gives him o real private place to say, i was here first. >> jonathan, the president's biggest final, initial that he is hoping to get passed and achieved is the transpacific partnership.
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>> yeah. >> both of the democratic candidates oppose it, but only one of them used to be his secretary of state. and used to be completely in favor of it, calling it the gold standard, now, having supported every presidential trade agreement prior to this one, now hillary clinton opposes it. >> well, it reminds me of bill clinton's position on nafta in 1992. i can remember trying to pin him down on this. it was like pinning down jell-o. all through the '92 campaign, for political reasons he wouldn't take a position on that, against it, and she's -- >> and then, to finish the story, he took off president and says pushed it through the congress really hard. and did a really effective job of it, with republican votes. >> not democrats. >> if you listen -- >> with tpp and nuclear deal, you can go back in the table and make some adjustments.
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and i would, you know, be pretty confident in saying that if she's elected president that she'll send the treaty back through some adjustments, and then it'll be ratified, you know, some time next year. so there is a big difference between the two of them on that issue. i think it's a difference that people don't understand very well because they tend to react in a knee jerk way, both pro and con on trade issues without getting into the often boring details about wins and loses. good arguments that the americans win a lot more from tpp than they lose. >> let's listen to another big difference, and that is wall street money and wall street contradictions to campaigns. let's listen in. >> if these contributions from wall street and other powerful special interests have no influence over the candidate, why are these special interests making huge campaign contributions?
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simple question. now maybe they're dummies, and maybe they just think they can throw millions of dollars at a candidate and expect to get nothing from them. i doubt that very much. >> ann, it's one of the simple questions to which there is no really effective political answer. >> yeah. it's the i'm shocked shocked that there's gambling in this institution moment in politics. i mean, yeah, he's asking exactly the question that a lot of voters have ask. like why are big powerful interests giving money to whoever they're giving money to. i mean certainly they're giving a lot of money on the republican side and they're giving a lot of money to hillary clinton as well. and so he's got a real bullseye on her there saying, you know, they wouldn't be giving her money if they didn't think they were going to get something for it.
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and, and it's a powerful argument. i'm not sure it's, it's as ffrl in the long run as he and his allies think it is, and certainly there are some ways that she's already sought to undermine it showing where he's getting money, not from wall street, but certainly from interests that might have something to do with his presidency should he ever assume it. but it's a powerful argument. certainly for now. and it's absolutely in keeping with everything that he has said and the way that ways he's been able to kind of get under her skin so far. >> well let's take a look at what that campaign money is being used for. maybe the most powerful clinton campaign ad released yet. released in south carolina yesterday with morgan freeman. let's watch this. >> she says their names. >> trayvon martin. >> shot to death. >> hamilton. >> sandra bland did nothing wrong. >> and makes their mother fight for justice her own. she speaks for a city who is in
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difference. >> we need action now. >> and stands with the president against those who will undo his achievements. just like she's always stood with us. hillary clinton. >> john, best ad i've seen in her campaign this year. >> morgan freeman, it's a big leg up. and that's her firewall. if she underperforms with african americans in south carolina, we're back to where we were after, you know, she got 40% in new hampshire where she's in trouble if she performs well in south carolina, the campaign is on track. this is a big primary for her. i just wanted to go back for one second what i loved about bernie and campaign finance reform is that if nothing else, he's put that central issue of legalized bribery on the table for the next president. >> yeah, as has trump in his own strange way. and thank you both for joining us. >> excellent. up next, former cia director
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general michael headen was the director of the nsa before becoming the director of the cia. he's the one person to sl held both jobs. donald trump thinks he knows more about sborgs techniques than general hayden does. >> ask me the question, absolutely fine, but we should go much stronger than water boarding. speaking to nbc news, general hayden said quote, like the man said, he wants somebody waterboarded, bring your own damn bucket. he had this to say about the federal government demand to let apple create software to unlock the software.
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>> in this specific case i'm trending toward the government. but aye got to tell you, in general, i oppose the government's effort personified by fbi director jim koemy. jim would like a back door available to american law enforcement in all devices globally. and frankly, i think on balance, that actually harms american's safety and security. >> a new national survey by the pew research center finds 51% of americans believe that apple should cooperate with the federal government and unlock, find a way to unlock that iphone.
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and now tonight's last word which goes to the simpsons in a new video titled, the debateful eight. >> i'm going to let him live in his alternative reality. >> his own record, he screams, liar, liar, liar. >> he doesn't speak spanish. >> not just liar. >> oh, i can't take it. >> what. honey, what's wrong? >> i'm hyperventilating. i can't take it anymore. basic manners are gone from politics. what is it with his ding dongs? mommy's okay. momma's okay. >> kids, i'll handle this. it's just like when you have of a bad dream, except this is real and will probably ruin your lives. go to philanders and tell them you're spending the night. no argument. march, think good thoughts, think good thoughts. things look bad now, but just try to visualize another
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america. one where republicans, democrats, and donald trump all get along. >> i'm enjoying watching hillary clinton -- >> i like ted cruz, he's been nice to me. as an act of love. >> this is an issue where berny and i are in complete agreement. ♪ how sweet it is to be loved by you ♪ ♪ how sweet it is to be loved by you ♪ >> don't drop me. >> just trust me. >> i was perfect, the rest of you morons were flat. >> flat? well flat broke like your casinoses. >> flat like the canadian prairie you were born on. >> and let's dispel once and for all with fiction, he knows exactly what he's doing. exactly what he's doing. >> oops.
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>> want to see something my mother suggested? >> go ahead. >> goldman sachs says hello. >> hillary, if i get elected, will you tell me what to do? >> i'm sorry, honey. i guess dreaming doesn't work. >> shh, i want to see who wins. >> we all do, honey, we all do. >> tomorrow night at this hour,ly join rachel and brian williams for the live coverage of the republican caucus in nevada. place your bets. trump or the resistance. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews out in las vegas. i've been here a while. republicans woke up sunday with a reality, donald trump the

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