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trump on tphenomenon in the republican party it's the party seeing itself in the mirror and not the way it expected to. they didn't expect to fall in republican voters really have. it's not a fluke. >> coming up here we are at 1:00 a.m. in the east and 10:00 p.m. in las vegas. as nbc news two hours ago now awarded projected that donald trump would be the victor tonight. he has now accepted. it's the rest of the race. one hour ago, i'm putting more time between us, than the decision than there was. one hour ago. 30 delegates at stake here. but that's been a fraught subject and a complex bit of math. it's the undercard that it's second and third that has proven so interesting tonight. would you like to reintroduce our guests? >> i shall. i should also note jeb bush is still on our board although jeb bush has technically dropped out of the race.
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>> we heard him get a little -- >> there was a microchief. we saw jeb bush get a couple of votes there. it was a sweet moment. jeb bush is out of the race. it's a five-man race at this point. in terms of whether or not second place is important here, something the rubio and cruz campaigns need to think about, whether it makes a difference in terms of how they spend their momentum or lack thereof there. >> it definitely does make a big difference for rubio especially and cruz his whole strategy is just falling apart. really it started with south carolina, his loss there, but now tonight he -- things are not looking good for ted cruz and i think rubio is going to have to come out strong at thursday's debate and take on trump and show he can if he wants to have any hope of staying alive in this race. >> or he needs to be the last one left when everybody else fades out for whatever other reason. >> exactly. but how long is that going to take? >> yeah. lawrence -- >> 13 delegates on the board for donald trump tonight. something like that. marco rubio might be picking up about eight. ted cruz, something like that.
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so, you know, something real happened for those campaigns tonight. but, again, it's trump delivering exactly what the polls were saying about a month or more ago. he was going to come in in the 40s here. he did that. but every time he does that, or every time hillary clinton wins as she's projected to win or as bernie sanders won as he was projected to win in new hampshire, there is an energy that goes to that campaign that week. and often it changes the outcome or improves the outcome about what's going to happen next. what's going to happen next is tuesday which is by far the biggest event that has occurred so far in this season. i mean, new hampshire is exciting because it's the first time people go to the polls and it's a real election, absentee ballots -- >> and it's new hampshire. >> and it's new hampshire and it's tradition. what we're going to do on tuesday is the first really, really big event here that might settle it for the republicans. >> to look ahead to tuesday and to look at the bit of polling that we've got, there's been
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more polling in some states than there has been in others. to see the spray of states in which donald trump right now is leading in the polls, it's unusual to see somebody leading in alaska and vermont. you know, and oklahoma and massachusetts. >> what happened here tonight to change any of the positive information that are in those polls for donald trump right now? >> nothing. only strengthened. >> right. >> you heard one of the -- we were talking a little bit about the unconventional nature of mr. trump's speech, and it is true that he speaks in -- he uses unconventional sentence structure, doesn't speak like a traditional politician. he's an effective orator. you can tell it from the reaction of people in the room and the number of people who turn out to see him. one thing he did deliberately tonight, he started talking about where the race was going next, he said first we're getting very good news out of texas. >> yep. >> we're looking great in texas. i mean, you've been talking about all night, elise, that ted
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cruz is going to win texas, has to win texas, if he loses texas, he's toast, forgive me. that possibility that donald trump feels like he's competing there, that it's not ted cruz's state anymore, that it might be trumpville, that is -- that's intimidation. >> well, and trump has shown he wants to win every single delegate and he's fighting and he is going after what he knows cruz has a strength there and cruz is very likely to get about 60% to 70% of the delegates in texas and cruz wants to -- trump will cut into that in any way he can. >> yeah. >> over to katy tur who was in the room, katy tur obviously covers the trump campaign for us, was in the room when donald trump just came out. katy, what can you tell us about the folks you've been talking to tonight, folks that have been your traveling partners for months now? >> reporter: these folks were as excited as we've seen them. donald trump's rallies in the more southern states and certainly here in nevada have been very boisterous events and
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this tonight did not disappoint that. they were extremely excited when it was announced donald trump would probably, was projected to win this state. when he took the stage, very loud cheers. very loud cheers for the idea of a wall. even louder cheers when he said that mexico would pay for that wall. border issues certainly play really well here in nevada. i want to point out a couple of things he said on stage. it's really important to note that when he was talking about where he's doing well right now, and where he hopes to do even better next week, he mentioned ohio, where that's -- or john kasich, his governor. he mentioned texas, that's where ted cruz is senator. and he mentioned florida, that's where marco rubio is senator. he is focusing on those three states. if he's able to win those three states, it is a knife in the heart for those three candidates. and it makes his campaign and his nomination even more inevitable. brian? >> katy tur at trump headquarters. thanks.
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to our other former speechwriter around here, and that is chris matthews across town down the strip at the new york, new york casino. chris? >> i think his speech-making is impossible to teach, really. but trump, he breaks down that wall between him and the audience. it's always we, how we're going to do next. he shares with the audience back and forth how well they're doing in terms of crowds he's building up, how he's doing in polls in different states like texas next week. it's always sharing. it's an interactive thing he does. almost like the old irish expression, listen with your tongue. every time he uses a line, he can actually hear the reaction, says am i right, am i right? he's back and forthing it all the time. all the shtick about the lesser educated, what's he call them, poorly educated, it's all a joke, all shtick, all sharing with the audience. i loved evangelicals. that's nonsense. i love the second amendment. i love the bible. it's all shtick. the audience is sharing that. nobody's buying it.
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it's his way of connecting with the voters and sharing sort of the joke with them. then comes the beef. the beef. nobody's going to keep kicking us around anymore. they're going to have pride in our country. i think that nationalism thing is always on the inside. he plays around with the audience back and forth. he kids with them. it's kind of post-modern like we know this is a joke, let's have fun with it, everything i'm doing is a joke except in nationalistic poll, that no other candidate has matched, not even -- certainly not bernie, none of them got -- hillary doesn't get it. he gets it. i think that's what holds his audience together through all the stupid things he says, awful things he says. yeah, he's looking out for the country, the other guys are looking out for the government. i'm caring about country, not the government or party. he's got that cohesiveness because of it. so much of it is the sheer showmanship. i remember watching carson all those years. i know i'm being interrupted, i'm getting good here. the audience, sharing with the audience. a good crowd. carson used to do that,
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letterman did that. always the jokes you share. the connection with the audience over time. this goes way back in show business. he shares, he connects, he's interactive. it's all about that shtick and the bond he's forming. he is forming a bond out there. and it's something to watch. you can't teach it. >> so, chris, quickly, just -- i want to nail you down. this is interesting. as someone who used to support himself as a speechwriter, you are conceding that there's structure here, there's on oratorical skill and there's knowledge of his audience and then he gets to the nub of his entire effort, his entire campaign for president, and it's all been buildup. you are -- you're conceding or assigning a structure to what we've seen at live events all throughout? >> yeah. it's entertainment. it's almost like he serves the dessert first and then the beef and then the entree. but he gets to it. i mean, so much of that is just
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playing with the audience. you know, great crowd. we had a bigger crowd last week. had 20,000, 30,000, had 20,000 twice. who talks like that? this guy does. it's sharing with them the enterprise. the whole -- it's we, we, we, we, we, we, we. it's powerful. but he does remind them why they're there. they're not there to be entertained. they're there because they're angry about their country, having being betrayed by the big shots. it's so true. losing the best jobs to china, worst jobs to illegal immigrants and of course fighting stupid wars. there's no other politician who combining all three of those, by the way. trade and, of course, immigration being awful to most progressives and, of course, when it's wars the progressives do like and the neocons hate. he puts it together and does it with tremendous entertainment and bonding, always bonding with the audience. >> chris matthews joining us from down the street here on the vegas strip.
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it is interesting, you know, when you go to a donald trump event when they start the event at the very beginning before he takes the stage, not at a victory speech like tonight, but when he's going to do the rally, the person who's the front of house comes out and says the show will begin in x minutes, the show is due to start as if they are bringing on an entertainer. >> right. >> i think they're self-conscious about exactly what you're explaining there, my friend. >> exactly. >> i want to go to steve kornacki looking ahead to what's going to happen next. super tuesday was always going to be super important in getting this nomination. super tuesday becomes imminently important because it's very close and calls the question whether or not donald trump is running away with the republican nomination. steve, what does this path look like here? >> yeah, rachel, you heard him in the victory speech talking about trying to put this thing away quickly, trying to go into certain states where the polls with looking good. donald trump wants to end this quickly. obviously the easiest thing to
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do is keep winning. there are three really specific things he can do in the next two weeks right now to sort of force the issue with his three remaining components. that is win in their home states. so let's take look here in texas. this is the first chance he's going to have to do this. this is a week from today. you were talking about this a minute ago. ted cruz's home state. look at this. this is a poll just out in the last day, ted cruz ahead by only eight points in his home state over donald trump. lawrence was talking about the idea of momentum, positive headlines coming out of wins like tonight, south carolina, wins like new hampshire for donald trump. we're going to see in the next week do the numbers move further in texas? not long ago the ted cruz campaign was looking at texas and at the magic number of 50% there because if you can win more than 50% in texas, you win every single one of the statewide delegates that's at stake. if you can break 50% in any congressional district, you win all the delegates in those congressional districts. the cruz campaign used to look at this state as one where they weren't only going to win, they were going to rack up a huge number of delegates.
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now the possibility that donald trump goes into ted cruz's backyard and gets a win outright next tuesday, it's impossible to see ted cruz going on if he can't win his home state. flip the calendar forward. two weeks later, march 15th. winner take all primary in ohio. john kasich, two-term governor re-elected overwhelmingly in 2014. look at this. brand new poll out there, donald trump leading john kasich in his home state of ohio by five points. obviously if kasich can't win his home state against donald trump, he's not going to survive. this may be the biggest surprise, though. same day, march 15th, florida is going to vote. winner take all. 99 degrees. marco rubio the home state candidate not only in the latest poll -- this is a few weeks ago, not only is marco rubio losing to donald trump, a few weeks ago when the boll was taken he was running third in his home state behind even ted cruz. now rubio got a decent performance in a couple of contests at least in south carolina since then. maybe that bumps him up.
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but, again, donald trump has done nothing but win since this poll was conducted and so from that standpoint, maybe donald trump is moving up as well. >> wow. steve kornacki, thank you very much. >> i think steve just told us how this story is going to end. is he supposed to do that. >> the polls can be wrong. they were wrong heading into iowa. trump was supposed to win iowa heading in there, so maybe that's ted cruz's and marco rubio's hope here that all the polls are going to be wrong again. but if the polls are right and the momentum is what the momentum obviously is, then this is starting to feel like an impossible dream. >> ted cruz used to be polling over 50 in texas. he is the texas senator. he's supposed to poll over 50 in his own state. >> they only get two -- >> with him declining, there's going to be movement in the next week in texas. it can only be in one direction at this point. >> i do think there will be some movement, but the early voting in texas is so much to cruz's benefit. they're going to close that on
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friday at about 55% of republican primary -- will have already voted so that's so much -- >> more than half will have voted in -- >> yes, they will have voted already. that's really to cruz's advantage -- >> rubio's great detriment, rubio was going to get anything there, rubio is getting the late moving -- >> cruz has good campaign organization. i don't think trump will completely sweep texas, but things are not looking good for ted cruz right now. >> 20,000 volunteers is nothing to sneeze at. you're right. if you can't put it away and take all the delegates there, that's my official response. >> once again, we are forced to conduct business. >> another break. more reaction when we come back.
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as we get into the shank of the evening on the night of the nevada caucus, here is ted cruz at the ymca before his supporters. [ cheers and applause ] >> god bless the great state of nevada. what an incredible team we have here on the ground. i want to thank our nevada state chairman, attorney general adam laxal. a tremendous strong principled constitutionalist conservative, when he ran for attorney general, all the political establishment was against him. he wasn't supposed to win.
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i can't imagine what that feels like. i want to thank our incredible leadership team that is here, the men and women across this state that worked so incredibly hard forging a grassroots coalition. [ applause ] they're still counting the ballots, so we don't know the exact result, but i want to congratulate donald trump on a strong evening tonight. and i want to congratulate the grassroots, the conservatives across this country, who have come together behind this campaign. [ applause ] when we started this campaign nearly a year ago, there were 17 candidates in the race. the role of the first four
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primaries historically has been to narrow the field. and we have seen the first four states do exactly that, narrow the field. now, at this point we've had four primaries, history teaches us that nobody has ever won the nomination without winning one of the first three primaries. and there are only two people who have won one of the first three primaries. [ cheers and applause ] donald trump and us. and the undeniable reality that the first four states has shown is the only campaign that has beaten donald trump and the only campaign that can beat donald trump is this campaign. [ cheers and applause ]
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if you are 1 of the 65% of republicans across this country who doesn't think donald is the best candidate to go head-to-head with hillary, who believes we do better in elections when we actually nominate a conservative. then first four states that performed a vital function of narrowing this race and presenting a clear choice. you can choose between two washington deal makers or one proven consistent conservative. one week from today will be the most important night of this campaign. one week from today is super
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tuesday. 11 states, alabama, alaska, arkansas, georgia, massachusetts, minnesota, oklahoma, tennessee, vermont, virginia, and the great state of texas. one week from today the most delegates that are awarded on a single day will be awarded next tuesday. the role of the first four states is to narrow the field and give super tuesday a clear choice. and now the voters can decide. if you want a president who will stop amnesty, ask yourself who has led the fight against amnesty. if you want a president who will repeal obamacare -- [ cheers and applause ] -- ask yourself who has led the
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fight against obamacare. if you want a president who will stand for life and marriage and religious liberty, ask yourself who's led the fight defending life and marriage and religious liberty. if you want a president who will defend the second amendment right to keep and bear arms -- [ applause ] i've been told folks in nevada kind of like their guns. as a texan, i understand. and let me tell you something, you look at those super tuesday states, they like their guns, too. and if you want to protect that second amendment to stop a
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liberal justice from reading the second amendment out of the bill of rights, ask yourself who has led the fight to defend the second amendment right to keep and bear arms. if you want to see america standing unapologetically alongside the nation of israel -- [ cheers and applause ] -- ask yourself who has led the fight to stand unshakably with the nation of israel. and if you want a president who on day one will rip to shreds this catastrophic iranian nuclear deal, if you want a president who will utterly and completely destroy isis, ask
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yourself who has led the fight against this iranian nuclear deal, against radical islamic terrorism, and who is best prepared to keep america safe. elections are about choices and there are clear choices in this race. if you want more washington deals, if you want more corporate welfare, if you want more cronyism, if you want more debt, if you want fewer jobs, if you want lower wages, you got two candidates to choose from in this field. on the other hand, if you want a president that says no to the bipartisan corruption in washington, that stands up to the lobbyists and special interests, that stands up to the debt that says we will not bankrupt our kids and grandkids, we will bring back millions of high-paying jobs, we will see wages going up, we will make
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young people coming out of school have three, four, five job offers, and we will ensure that our kids and grandkids have a brighter tomorrow. a greater future. a more bountiful america. that's what this choice is about. i want to thank the great people of nevada. and i want to say i cannot wait to get home to the great state of texas. [ applause ] tonight, i'll sleep in my bed for the first time in a month. and then it will be back to the campaign trail in texas and all across super tuesday, energizing and building that reagan coalition, those courageous conservatives, libertarians,
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evangelicals, young people and reagan democrats all coming together. [ applause ] tonight, we are one step closer to morning in america. we are one step closer to turning the pages on the failures of the obama/clinton disaster and getting back to the constitution, getting back to the free market principles, getting back to the unbelievable opportunity that is the american dream. thank you, and god bless you. >> ted cruz, the texas senator who now as he said gets to go back to texas and defend home turf, really, in what can legitimately be called an onslaught by donald trump. nicolle wallace has been
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watching and listening from new york. nicolle, by my notes, a guy promised a greater future and bountiful america, why isn't he doing better? >> well, lawrence warned us correctly against looking at the percentages because these are small numbers of actual voters, but the percentages smell a very ominous end for the once hopeful cruz candidacy. 22 days ago he won the iowa caucuses largely due to the quality and the caliber of his campaign infrastructure. everything that has happened since that night has been the other side, the dark side, if you will, of that campaign caliber and infrastructure. on the night of the iowa caucus victory, he was accused of spreading rumors about ben carson dropping out of the race. he is the guy running as the character candidate. he has been hit with more attacks on his character and the character of his campaign than anyone running on either side in this cycle.
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and i think that what you see in the percentages of the vote that he's getting among evangelicals, it is insufficient to deliver him another victory, and i think elise probably knows more about texas than i do, but i would be very surprised if he pulled off anything looking like a decisive win in texas. >> elise, as lone star representative? >> i don't think it will be decisive, but i think just because of the early voting, he does -- he's not going to be completely demolished by trump, but right now ted cruz has definitely taken a lot of blows and doesn't look like he's going to recover. for so long it was so frustrating to work on another campaign and to watch, you know, a lot of the activities of ted cruz and a lot of his disingenuous positions an policy and flip-flopping around. it was really very difficult to watch and to watch him pander to being libertarian, to being super conservative, and i think that that, you know -- his flip-flopping has finally caught
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up with him with the voters. >> can i ask, specifically, coming from that perspective having worked with the rand paul campaign, you get this sense from people who are involved in this process that they feel like ted cruz has run a different kind of campaign than everybody else, a different person, running a different operation. people in nevada talking openly, he's running a dirty campaign, underhanded, qualitatively different than what anyone else is doing. did you feel that on the campaign? >> what happened in iowa really blew the lid off with ben carson and with the early calls saying he had, indeed -- he was going to suspend his campaign. >> trying to trick ben carson voters. >> there's just been talk that that was not an isolated incident, that that was very premeditated. who will really know when the history is ultimately written on this one day, but it certainly was not a good thing to do, and
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it was wrong to do and it was unfair to ben carson. >> it didn't feel like par to the course like everybody does something like this, it felt different. >> no, it was taking it a step too far. >> i hear you. >> the speech was interesting in a couple of ways, he did follow the advice the co-chair of his campaign had given him to not go after marco rubio. he didn't mention marco rubio. he did mention donald trump. he did say, i'm the one to beat donald trump. i think he also showed the wisdom of marco rubio's choice to be out of town and not do one of these because given one of these second and third speeches has become increasingly awkward, and marco rubio just decided, you know what, i'm not going to do one of those tonight, and there was ted cruz congratulating the winner, but not congratulating the other guy who beat him. getting to be very awkward these third. place victory speeches. >> marco rubio has turned third place speeches into victory
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speeches. >> he's out of material. he has run out of material on the victim for speech for third place. he just said i'm going to be out of town until i win one of these. >> i hear grand rapids is nice this time of year. >> all right, nicolle wallace, if this is correct give us the viewers' guide to the next couple of days especially where this axis is concerned, where trump and cruz have been targeting each other. rubio the outlier a little bit. >> well, even since we've all been talking, the same dynamic is under way. cruz and rubio are at each other's throats. i would look for a loud chorus of really brutal attacks on the character of the cruz candidacy. i think elise got to it but was generous in the way she put it. cruz is despised, and it's because of the flaws in his character. i mean, he has taken six positions on intel, not because he believes them, but because at one point he thought that paul was going to be his greatest competition for the republican
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nomination, so he took positions to appeal to the paul base. and then when he saw that, you know, maybe rubio or someone more establishmenty would get it, he tried to tack back to protect himself and karma is a you know what. and cruz's has caught up with him now. i think the story coming out of tonight will be the continuing weakening of ted cruz. carson is still out there, but i would expect for rubio to make a serious concerted play for the cruz/carson voters which means that rubio may be sounding even more conservative in his pitch to those voters. >> all right. >> fascinating. >> nicolle wallace. i don't know what you meant about karma. thank you very much. another break for our coverage. we are back from las vegas and points east after this. >> so we won the evangelicals. we won with young. we won with old. we won with highly educated.
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we won with poorly educated. i love the poorly educated. we're the smartest people, we're the most loyal people, and you know what i really am happy about because i've been saying it for a long time, 46% with the hispanics. 46%. number one with hispanics.
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this is msnbc's coverage of
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the gop nevada caucus live from the terrace at omnia in las vegas. >> we are here in las vegas on this trip, not even 11:00 here yet, but certainly the shank of the evening in new york. 1:37 a.m. we have been talking so much about ted cruz, his performance in this state tonight. what that campaign can expect in the days ahead. let's ask our correspondent who covers the cruz effort, haley jackson. are they ready for what's coming? >> reporter: yeah, tuesday is a huge day, it's a big day. you can expect donald trump will continue attacking cruz like he's been attacking him on these issues of being a liar, on issues of quote/unquote dirty tricks, you might say. a couple things stood out to me from cruz's remarks, he talked about the most important night
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of the campaign being one week from tonight. not the expectations game you might expect but the campaign, i can tell you, is feeling confident about how they will do specifically in texas. you heard the senator say he's ready to get home to texas. when he asked the campaign about how they're feeling about the fact cruz at least from our entrance polling has lost evangelicals, lost very conservatives to donald trump, the campaign, an aide telling me that that person is not losing sleep over it, talk to them on tuesday. that's sort of the campaign's line. they're feeling strong about how they'll perform in the s.e.c. primary states particularly in the south where there's a bit of a culture they believe meshes well with cruz supporters. we're talking about those conservatives, talking about those evangelicals. doesn't seem as though there will be a shift in strategy moving forward from cruz, instead his campaign is really drilling down getting really specific on congressional districts, areas where they believe they can either hold marco rubio below the delegate threshold, or take it to trump and try to win over some of
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those delegates. and play out this game over the next seven days. really crucial for ted cruz, guys, as he, himself, very explicitly acknowledged tonight. >> fascinating. it's never a good sign when a candidate is saying, hold on, we're going to my home state. but the fact that it's not just the home state of texas -- >> reporter: part of it is he probably want the to sleep in his own bed, yeah. >> i can imagine. you know, and this has been a long campaign already for all of these guys and so heading home to texas i'm sure is good for him, but it will be very interesting to see if ted cruz is able to compete in other southern states and it's such an unusual spray of states that were heading into for super tuesday. >> it is. >> we've never had this exact array. everything from alaska to alabama, to vermont and a lot of states in between. a lot of southern states. ted cruz was right in his speech we he said a lot of the states the electorate is going to be second amendment motivated electorate. we don't know how donald trump
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will play on that. that's why he started talking about his son's membership of the nra. >> in another version of this campaign, ted cruz would not be heading home tonight because he has texas wrapped up and there's nothing in doubt in texas so what texas is now doing, that tightening with trump, it's taking ted cruz away from states he needs to be spending time in to win on that same day that he needs to win texas. he's now defending in texas, something he never thought he'd have to. >> it's an absolute must-win. >> as we said, closest thing we've had as of yet to a national primary. chris matthews patiently waiting at new york, new york following our entire discussion these past few minutes. chris? >> yeah, rachel, what rachel just said was great -- you know the guy's got problems if he says i'm heading home to my state. it reminds me, after you lose the first two games in the word serious and the manager always says we're going home now, we're going to win at home. you'll still be down 2-1. i want to thank, by the way, a little housekeeping here i
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should say, mgm resorts has been great to have you here. as you notice, guys, for more than a week now out here on the street. we should thank them for letting us use the street. it's a great organization. new york, new york. you feel like you're in new york. i'll pitch it a little bit. i want to say something a little bit. you've gone back to my speech writing days. what's really telling, quickly tonight, looking at the two speeches we just saw, trump and then cruz. cruz talks like he's at a desk somewhere. i'm going to -- i'm not going to sign an amnesty bill, i'm going to vote -- i'm going to veto an obamacare bill, i'm going to name judge -- he's like sitting behind a desk somewhere like a legislator voting on stuff. he's a government man. even though he's a right winger, he's a man of government, endure work. trump is completely different. he doesn't talk about the government. he talks about the country. he talks about the country all the time. you have a country or don't. he says either we have a country or we don't. he's big.
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he talks about how we're not going to get kicked around anymore, have pride in our country. he's running for head of the country and this little guy, cruz, is running for what? to be the chief executive of the bills that pass his desk. it's so small. it's not grand. it's not joyous. it's not important. we saw a lot in speeches to tell you why cruz is doing what he's doing heading back to alamo you have to say to defend himself back there whereas trump is marching on. he's speaking big about the country. trump, it's always at his heart about our country and whether you dislike everything he says about it, he's appealing to the sense of country better than any of the others are including hillary. back to you guys. >> all right. chris matthews down the block. to our viewers, we want to let you know, we're assembling a small -- >> very small. >> -- group of our correspondents who have come off the streets out of caucus
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locations and ballrooms, with a little trail mix to tell us -- >> this is how we learn everything that's going on with the events and with the campaigns. we get all of our information both on camera and off camera particularly off camera from these guys in terms of what's going on. being able to bring them together, get them all in one place, have them debrief us on the real state of the race you can see from up close is invaluable and we don't get to do it very often but we're about to do it here. >> and some of our reporters you've come to know and love right after this.
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welcome back to the strip in las vegas. before we sign off from here, it's very important to hear from a very good friend of ours. a woman who made a lot of fantastic contributions to our coverage the last time we were at this, and again tonight. and that is nicolle wallace, our silent sentinel holding down the fort in new york. >> i was waiting to see who you were talking about. i was like, who could this be? thank you. >> we have a service grouping here we'll explain in a moment, but i need to hear your wit and wisdom one last time. as they say on tv, what have we just learned tonight? >> well, listen, my phone's been blowing up the last 45 minutes with three messages. one, why are you still awake, two, i think this thing is over, and three, are we all going to be okay?
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i mean, i think this thing is over. i hope we're all going to be okay. and i would only stay up for the two of you. >> wow. we feel the same way. we're only going to do this if we know you're there. and hopefully next time we'll be smushed together. nicolle. safe home. thank you very much. you have young family members at home. i'm with the what are you still doing up camp. it's really late where you are. >> thank you, guys. >> to explain why we're in the bottle services area. katy tur just came off the road, hallie trying to get to us. >> this is rush hour in las vegas. >> you're missing the best part of the day as my mother used to say. kind of chilling to hear, is this over? >> i think this is over. i've been to these rallies in the south and he gets these crowds, crowds like you're got seeing anywhere else.
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people -- >> i keep mentioning mobile, alabama. >> mobile, alabama, had 20,000-plus people, 20,000-plus people. that was in august. those are general election sized crowds and he was getting them, you know, over a year before the election. he gets those crowds in arkansas. he gets those crowds in ohio. 10,000 in ohio where john kasich is governor. he gets those crowds in florida, in texas. >> he gets big crowds in vermont and massachusetts. >> he does. >> there isn't a place in the country where he isn't playing right now to a republican electorate. >> absolutely. i've said this over and over again. he's won in the north, won in the south, won in the far west. he's cutting across all the voting blocs. there isn't one voting bloc for donald trump. ted cruz is going after the evangelicals. donald trump is going after everybody. >> we see how he is changing as a candidate, how he changes his message. elise was talking earlier about how his message matures, he's agile with the way he can sort
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of, you know, target what he's talking about. has his campaign actually matured as well? meaning have they grown and gotten stronger in a way they're going to be able to handle the general election if he is the nominee? which it looks like he will be. >> they're going to have the benefit of the rnc behind them and that could help them in a lot of ways and also could hurt them. he's been running this nontraditional campaign where he's not listening to anybody, doesn't have any polling, not taking funding. >> no pollster. >> he goes on social media to find out what his people are saying or what the people are saying. and the rnc comes with baggage. i mean they come with donors. he's running off a campaign that is self-funded. we're going to see how that plays out. the campaign matured in a sense they have control on their candidate and control over the media message. they have clamped down with everybody in the press. you can't get a word out of them most days.
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this goes for all of the networks. what is your ground game like in texas? no comment. they don't like talking about anything. >> they can't control their candidate entirely. we saw jacob get a donald trump interview -- >> at the user end of all this normally. you're where the rubber meets the road where the ballots are cast and tonight you got the candidate. >> i've heard you, katy, talks about how this man breaks, you, rachel, brian, this man breaks every political rule in the book. today he literally broke the rules of the machinery of democracy. showed up in the middle of an election. people left their ballots on the table, ran across the room to see the guy. who knows if they went back and put the ballot in the box. i don't even know if they cared. people wanted to see the guy, touch him, feel him. i don't know what he wanted to do at that place because he was taking votes away from himself by showing up there. >> one of the things you reported right when we went to you, it was chaotic in that moment, we went to you as you realized he was walking in the door. it was so great. what you said before that
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happened is glenn beck is here speaking on behalf of ted cruz. >> probably thought he was the biggest big shot in the room and donald trump walk in the room. donald trump likes your charts on your show. he loves your charts. >> beautiful charts. >> after if she's toiling -- forgive me, in graphics department by day. >> you do make the graphics, right? >> oh, well, you know, i don't like to brag. he just likes them because he put a picture on them instead of just the name. he likes the picture. just to be clear, was glenn beck actively giving his spiel for ted cruz when trump walked in? >> no doubt about it. everybody basically, here's glenn beck, then everybody goes donald trump. glenn beck, it was one of these kind of moments for glenn beck tonight. >> wow, he was already calling on people to fast. >> yeah. >> for ted cruz. he also said that god killed antonin scalia in order to make ted cruz supreme court justice. >> what? >> i can't imagine what this is going to do to his world view. >> look what happened tonight.
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today, the republicans on the judiciary committee all signed a letter saying we want the next president to choose the next supreme court justice. >> a big story today that we didn't talk about tonight. >> tomorrow morning in washington, what that means from their perspective is we are saying we want donald trump to choose the next supreme court justice and that can become a really important, much more important issue than you'd normally expect it to be. >> i wonder if they'll still feel that way tomorrow northern. >> pure partisan terms they'd rather have donald trump pick somebody even if they hate donald trump and can't imagine them as the standard bearer, they'd rather that than have this president pick somebody. >> elise, let's talk home states before we go. i feel bad about the florida thing earlier tonight. i'm giving you a free pass. we have two home states coming up. florida and texas. and we have a juggernaut of a trump campaign. any last requests on your part? >> i still think cruz is going to come out ahead in texas. >> what about florida, though? >> florida for rubio is just not
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looking very good. they absolutely have to have florida if they're going anywhere. and it's part of their march 15th let's win these three of the winner take all states and rack up a bunch of delegates quickly. unfortunately, they've got a long way to go if they're going to make that actually happen. >> there's still plenty of reasons to hang in here, there's a lot of proportional states coming up and they're -- look, rubio picked up delegates tonights so did cruz pick up delegates. trump's maybe going to pick up 15 if he gets all the way up to 50% here. the other guys are picking up delegates and they're not going to -- why would they give this up if they believe if it still looks like they could actually drive this thing all the way to the convention and deny trump the number of delegates he needs going into the convention? why wouldn't they take it to the convention if they could?
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>> a couple of things before we go. number one, about what becomes our portable workplace on the road on this unseasonably cold night in the middle of the strip in las vegas. it may not matter much to the folks at home but it matters greatly to us that at noon today, this was just a porch where people hung out. none of this was here. we made television tonight thanks in large part to our incredible folks who fly from long island city, new york -- >> amen. >> -- and arrive here like an invading electronic coffee-fueled army and set up and the circus moves on the next day and the next day. so there's that. also to our hosts here at cesar's palace. i was looking into the history. this is where evel knievel jumped the fountain. celine dion is back. jerry lewis did his first telethon. for this, my colleagues, thanks and good night from las vegas.
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coming up, here we are at 1:00 a.m. in the east and 10:00 p.m. in las vegas. as nbc news, two hours ago now awarded -- projected that donald trump would be the victor tonight. he has now accepted, it's the rest of the race one hour ago, i'm putting more time between us in the decision than there was, one hour ago. 30 delegates at stake here, but that's been a fraught subject and a complex bit of math. it's the undercard that --
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second and third that has proven so interesting tonight. would you like to reintroduce our guests? >> i shall. i should note that jeb bush is still on the board, although he's technically dropped out of the race. >> we heard him get a few -- >> there was a little microcheer when we saw jeb bush get a couple of votes there. it's a five-man race at this point. in terms of whether or not second place is important here, that's one of the things the rubio and cruz campaigns need to think about, whether it makes a difference in how they spin their momentum or lack thereof. >> well, for cruz his strategy is falling apart. it started with south carolina, the loss there. but now tonight -- things are not looking good for ted cruz. i think that rubio is really going to have to come out strong at thursday's debate. and really take on trump and show that he can. if he wants to have any hope of staying alive in this race. >> or he needs to be the last
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one left when everybody else faileds out for whatever other reason. >> exactly. how long is that going to take? >> exactly. >> lawrence? >> 13 delegates on the board for donald trump tonight. something like that. and marco rubio might be picking up about eight. you know, ted cruz something like that. so, you know, something real happened for those campaigns tonight. but again, it's trump delivering exactly what the polls were saying about a month or more ago. he was going to come in in the 40s here and he did that. but every time he does that, or every time hillary clinton wins as she's projected to win or as bernie sanders won in new hampshire, there's an energy that goes to that campaign that week. and often it changes the outcome or improves the outcome about what's going to happen next. what's going to happen next is tuesday, which is by far the biggest event that has occurred so far in this season. i mean, new hampshire is exciting because it's first time people go to the polls and it's a real election and absentee
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ballots. >> it's new hampshire. >> it's new hampshire and it's traditional. but what we're going to do on tuesday is the first really, really big event here. that could -- that really might just settle it for the republicans. >> it's -- to look ahead to tuesday and to look at the bit of polling that we have gotten, there's been more polling in some states than there has been in others. but to see the spray of states in which donald trump right now is leading in the polls it's unusual to see somebody leading in alaska and in vermont and in oklahoma and massachusetts. >> what happened here here to change any of the positive information in the polls for trump -- >> nothing. only strengthened. >> right. >> we were talking about the unconventional nature of mr. trump's speech and it is true that he speaks in -- he uses unconventional sentence structure. obviously he's an effective orator and you can tell it from the reaction of the people in the room and the number of people who turn out to see him. one of the things he did
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deliberately tonight when he started to talk about where the raise is going next, he said, first i thought of you alise, he said, first, we're getting very good news out of texas. we're looking great in texas. i mean, you have been talking about all night that ted cruz is gonna win texas, he has to win texas. if he loses texas he's toast, forgive me. that possibility that ted cruz is competing that, that it might be trumpville, that is -- that's intimidation. >> well, trump has shown he wants to win every single delegate. he is fighting and he's going after what he knows cruz has a strength there and cruz is very likely to get about 60 to 70% of the delegates in texas. and cruz wants to -- trump will cut into that in any way he can. >> yeah. over to katy tur who was in the room -- katy tur covers the trump campaign for us was in the room when donald trump came out. what can you tell us about the folks you have been talking to
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tonight? the folks that have been your traveling partners for months now? >> these folks were as excited as we have seen them. donald trump's rallies in the more southern states and certainly here in nevada have been very boisterous events and this tonight did not disappoint that. they were extremely excited when the -- when it was announced that trump was projected to win this state. and when he took the stage, very loud cheers. very loud cheers for the idea of a wall, even louder cheers when he said that mexico would pay for that wall. border issues play really well here in nevada. i want to point out a couple of things he said on stage. it's really important to note that when he was talking about where he's doing well right now and where he hopes to do even better next week, he mentioned ohio. where that -- where john kasich, is governor. he mentioned texas, that's where ted cruz is senator. he mentioned florida and he mentioned that's where marco rubio is senator. he is focusing on the three
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states. if he's able to win those three states it is a knife in the heart for those three candidates and it makes his campaign and his nomination even more inevitable. brian? >> katy tur at trump headquarters, thanks to our former speechwriter around here. chris matthews across town, down the strip at the new york, new york casino. chris? >> i think his speech making is impossible to teach really. but what trump does, he breaks down that wall between him and the audience. it's always we, he shares with the audience back and forth how well they're doing in terms of crowds he's building up. how he's doing in the polls like texas next week. it's sharing, it's an interactive thing he does. it's almost like the old irish expression, listen with your tongue. when he uses a line, am i right, am i right? he's back and forth all the time. all the shtick about the lesser educated -- what does he call
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them? the poorly educated. it's all a joke. it's all shtick. it's all sharing with the audience. i love the evangelicals. that's nonsense, i love the second amendment. i love the bible. it's all shtick. the audience is sharing that. nobody is buying it. it's his way of connecting with the voters and sharing sort of the joke with them. but then comes the beef. the beef. nobody is going to keep kicking us around anymore. they're going to have pride in our country. i think that nationalism thing is on the inside. he plays around with the audience back and forth. he kids with them. postmodern like we know this is a joke. let's all have fun with it. everything i'm doing is a joke. no other candidate has matched it, certainly not bernie. none of them have got -- hillary doesn't get it, he gets it. i think that's what holds his audience together through all the stupid things he does, all the awful things he says, but he's looking out for the country. these other guys are looking out for the government. i'm caring about the country, not the government or the party.
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and i think he's got that cohesiveness because of it. but so much of this is the sheer showmanship. i remember watching carson all those years. i want to tell -- i know i'm being interrupted, i'm getting good here. the audience, sharing with the audience. we have a big crowd here friday night. carson used to do that. letterman did that. it was the jokes that you share, the connection with the audience over time. this goes way back in show business. he shares, he connects, he's interactive. it's all about that shtick and that -- and the bond he's forming. he is forming a bond out there. it is something to watch. you can't teach it. >> so chris, quickly, just i want to nail you down. this is interesting, as someone who used to support himself as a speechwriter, you are conceding that there's structure here, that's obvious oratorical skill and there's knowledge of his audience and then he gets to the nub of his entire effort, his entire campaign for president and it's all been built up. you're conceding or assigning a
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structure to what we have seen at live events all throughout? >> yeah, it's entertainment. it's almost like he serves the dessert first and then the beef and then the entree. but he gets to it. i mean, so much of that is playing with the audience. you know, great crowd. we had a bigger crowd last week. we had 20,000, 30,000, 20,000 twice. who talks like that? this guy does. it's sharing with them the enterprise that the whole -- he's -- it's we. we, we, we, we. it's powerful, but he does remind them why they're there. they're not there to be entertained. they're there because they're angry about the country and having been betrayed by the big shots, it's so true. about losing the best jobs to china. the worst to illegal immigrants and fighting stupid wars and in a sense -- there's no other politician that combines all three by the way. you know, trade and of course immigration being awful to most progressives. of course when it's wars that progressives do like, and the neocons hate.
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but he puts it together. he does wit the tremendous entertainment and bonding. always bonding with the audience. >> chris matthews joining us from down the street here on the vegas strip. it is interesting when you go to the donald trump event when they start the event at the very beginning before he takes the stage, not of the victory speech like tonight, but the rally, the person who is -- the show will begin in "x" minutes. the show is due to start as if they're bringing on an entertainer. you know? it -- i think they're self-conscious about that. thank you, chris. let's go to steve kornacki. super tuesday was always going to be hugely important in terms of getting this nomination. super tuesday right now becomes imminently important, both because it's very close and it calls into question as to whether or not donald trump is running away with the republican nomination. steve, what does this path look
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like here? >> well, you heard him in the victory speech talking about trying to put this thing away quickly and trying to go into certain states where the polls are looking good and donald trump wants to end this quickly. obviously the easiest thing to do is to keep winning but there are three specific thing he can do in the next three weeks to try to force the issue with his three remaining components. that is win in their home states. so let's take a look here in texas. this is the first chance he's going to have to do this. this is a week from today. you were talking about this a minute ago. ted cruz's home state, look at this. this is a poll just out in the last day. ted cruz ahead by only eight points in his home state over donald trump. i think what lawrence was just talking about, the idea of momentum, all the positive headlines coming out of wins like tonight, wins like south carolina and wins like new hampshire, do the numbers move further in texas? it was not long ago that the ted cruz campaign was looking at texas and looking at the magic number of 50%. if you can win more nan 50% in
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texas you win every single one of the statewide delegates. if you can break 50% in any congressional district, you win all the delegates in the congressional districts and the cruz campaign used to look at this state as one where they weren't going to win but rack up a huge number of delegates. now, the possibility that donald trump gets a win outright next tuesday, it's impossible to see ted cruz going on if he can't win his home state. let's flip the calendar forward, this is a winner take all primary in ohio. this is john kasich's state. two-term governor, re-elected overwhelmingly in 2014. look at this. brand-new poll out there. donald trump leading john kasich in his home state of ohio by five points. obviously, if kasich can't win against donald trump he can't survive. same day, march 15th, winner take all in florida. look at this, in florida, 99 delegates, marco rubio the home state candidate, not only in the latest poll -- this is a few weeks ago we have to say. not only is marco rubio losing
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to donald trump, a few weeks ago when the poll was taking, he was running third in the home state behind ted cruz. rubio got a decent performance in a couple of contests at least in south carolina since then. maybe that bumps him up, but again, donald trump has done nothing but win since this poll was conducted and so from that standpoint, maybe donald trump is moving up as well. >> wow. steve kornacki, thank you very much. >> i think steve kornacki told us how this story going to end. was he supposed to do that now? did he ruin the next couple of weeks? >> i mean, the polls can be wrong. they were wrong heading into iowa. trump was supposed to win heading into there. maybe that's ted cruz's and marco rubio's hope. all the polls will be wrong again. but if the polls are right and the momentum is what the momentum is, then this is starting to feel like -- >> ted cruz was polling over 50% and by the way he's supposed to poll over 50 in his own state.
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with him declining, there's going to be movement in the next week in texas. it can only be in one direction at this point. >> i do think there will be some movement, but the early voting in texas is so much to cruz's benefit. they'll close that on friday at about 55% of republican primary will have already voted. >> more than half will have voted? >> yeah, they'll have voted already. so that's to cruz's advantage. >> to rubio's great detriment. rubio is getting the late-moving -- >> and cruz does have a good campaign construction. things are not looking good for ted cruz now. >> if you can't take all the debt gatt -- delegates there. >> once again, we're forced to conduct business. >> we seal how that reads in the transcript. >> we'll have more from las vegas.
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as we get into the shank of the evening on the night of the nevada caucus, here is ted cruz at the ymca before his supporters. [ cheers and applause ] >> god bless the great state of nevada. [ cheers and applause ] what an incredible team. we have here on the ground. i want to thank our nevada state chairman, attorney general adam laxall.
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a tremendous, strong principled constitutionalist conservative when he ran for attorney general, all the political establishment was against him. he wasn't supposed to win. i can't imagine what that feels like. i want to thank our incredible leadership team that is here, the men and women across this state that worked so incredibly hard, forging a grass roots coalition. they're still counting the ballots, so we don't know the exact result. but i want to congratulate donald trump on a strong evening tonight. and i want to congratulate the grass roots, the conservatives across this country who have come together behind this campaign.
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when we started this campaign nearly a year ago, there were 17 candidates in the race. the role of the first four primaries historically has been to narrow the field. and we have seen the first four states do exactly that, narrow the field. now, at this point we have had four primaries. history teaches us that nobody has ever won the nomination without winning one of the first three primaries. and there are only two people who have won one of the first three primaries. donald trump and us. and the undeniable reality that the first four states have shown
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is that the only campaign that has beaten donald trump and the only campaign that can beat donald trump is this campaign. if you are one of the 65% of republicans across this country who doesn't think donald is the best candidate to go head to head with hillary, who believes we do better in elections when we actually nominate a conservative, then the first four states have performed a vital function of narrowing this race and presenting a clear choice. you can choose between two washington deal makers. or one proven, consistent conservative.
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one week from today, it will be the most important night of this campaign. one week from today is super tuesday. 11 states, alabama, alaska, arkansas, georgia, massachusetts, minnesota, oklahoma, tennessee, vermont, virginia and the great state of texas. one week from today, the most delegates that are awarded on a single day will be awarded next tuesday. the role of the first four states is to narrow the field and give super tuesday a clear choice. and now the voters can decide if you want a president who will
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stop amnesty, ask yourself who has led the fight against amnesty. if you want a president who will repeal obamacare, ask yourself who has led the fight against obamacare. if you want a president who will stand for life and marriage and religious liberty, ask yourself who's led the fight defending life and marriage and religious liberty. if you want a president who will defend the second amendment right to keep and bear arms, i've been told folks in nevada kind of like their guns. as a texan, i understand.
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and let me tell you something, you look at those super tuesday states. they like their guns too. and if you want to protect that second amendment to stop a liberal justice from reading the second amendment out of the bill of rights, ask yourself who has led the fight to defend the second amendment right to keep and bear arms. if you want to see america standing unapologetically alongside the nation of israel, ask yourself who has led the fight to stand unshakably with the nation of israel. and if you want a president who on day one will rip to shreds this catastrophic iranian nuclear deal, if you want a
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president who will utterly and completely destroy isis, ask yourself who has led the fight against this iranian nuclear deal, against radical islamic terrorism and who is best prepared to keep america safe. elections are about choices. and there are clear choices in this race. if you want more washington deals, if you want more corporate welfare, if you want more cronyism, if you want more debt, if you want fewer jobs, if you want lower wages, you've got two candidates to choose from. in this field. on the other hand, if you want a president that says no to the
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bipartisan corruption in washington, that stands up to the lobbyists, that stands up to the debt, that says we will not bankrupt our kids and grandkids, we will bring back millions of high paying jobs, we will see wages going up, we will make young people coming out of school have three, four, five job offers and we will ensure that our kids and grandkids have a brighter tomorrow, a greater future. a more bountiful america. that's what this choice is about. i want to thank the great people of nevada. and i want to say i cannot wait to get home to the great state of texas. tonight i'll sleep in my bed for the first time in a month.
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and then it will be back to the campaign trail in texas and all across super tuesday. energizing and building that reagan coalition, those courageous conservatives, libertarians, evangelicals, young people and reagan democrats, all coming together. tonight we are one step closer to morning in america. we are one step closer to turning the pages on the failures of the obama/clinton disaster and getting back to the constitution, getting back to the free market principles. getting back to the unbelievable opportunity that is the american dream. thank you and god bless you! [ cheers and applause ] >> ted cruz, the texas senator
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who now as he said gets to go back to texas and defend home turf really in what can legitimately be called an onslaught by donald trump. nicolle wallace has been watching and listening from new york. by my notes, a guy just promised a more bountiful future, so why isn't he doing better? >> well, these are small numbers of actual voters, but the percentages smell a very ominous and for the once hopeful cruz candidacy, 22 days ago he won the iowa caucuses largely due to the quality and the caliber of his campaign infrastructure. everything that has happened since that night has been the other side, the dark side if you will of that campaign caliber and infrastructure.
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he was accused of spreading rumors of ben carson dropping out of the race. he is the guy running as the character candidate. he has been hit with more attacks on his character and the character of his campaign than anyone running on either side in this cycle. and i think that what you see in the percentages of the vote that he's getting among evangelicals, it is insufficient to deliver him another victory and i think alise probably knows more about texas than i do, but i would be very surprised if he pulled off anything looking like a decisive win in texas. >> alise, as lone star representative -- >> i don't think it will be decisive, but because of the early voting he's not going to be completely demolished by trump. but right now, ted cruz has definitely taken a lot of blows and it doesn't look like he'll recover. for so long it was so frustrating to work on another campaign and to watch, you know, a lot of the activities of ted
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cruz and a lot of his disingenuous position on policies and flip-flopping around, it was difficult to watch and to watch him pander to being libertarian to super conservative. i think his flip-flopping has finally caught up with him. >> coming from that perspective, having worked with the rand paul campaign, you get this sense from people who are involved in this process that they feel like ted cruz has run a different kind of campaign than everybody else. he's a different kind of person. he's running a different kind of operation. that's sort of come right with people in nevada talking openly he's running a dirtier campaign, he's running a campaign that's more underhanded, it's qualitatively different than what everybody else is doing. did you feel that? >> i think what happened in iowa blew the lid off of with ben carson and the early calling saying he was indeed -- he was going to suspend his campaign.
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>> trying to get them to do vote -- >> that was not an isolated event, that was premeditated who will know when the history is written, but it certainly was not a -- >> interestingly, he did follow the advice that cochair was -- of his campaign had given not to go after marco rubio. he did not mention marco rubio in this speech. he did mention trump, not for long, but he said i'm the one to beat donald trump. i think he also showed the wisdom of marco rubio's choice to be out of town and not do one of these because giving one of these second and third speeches has become increasingly awkward and marco rubio decided you know what, i'm not going to o
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tonight. there was ted cruz congratulating the winner, but not congratulating the other guy who beat him in this one. so it's getting to be very awkward the third place victory speeches. >> marco rubio has turned third place speeches into victory speeches. >> he's run out of material on the victory speech for third place, so he just said i'll be out of town. >> i hear grand rapids is nice this time of the year. >> nicolle wallace, if this is correct, give us the viewers' guide to the next couple of days, especially where this axis is concerned where trump and cruz have been targeting each other. rubio the outlier a little bit. >> since we have been talking, the same dynamic is underway. cruz and rubio are at each other's throats. i would look for a loud chorus of really brutal attacks on the character of the cruz candidacy. i think alise got to it, but was generous in the way she put it.
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cruz is despised and it's because of the flaws of his character. he's taken six positions on intel, not because he believes them. at one point he thought paul would be his greatest competition for the republican nomination, so he took positions to appeal to the paul base. when he saw that, you know, maybe rubio or someone more establishment would get it, he tried to tack back to protect himself. karma is a you know what. and cruz has -- it's caught up with him now. i think the story coming out of tonight will be the continuing weakening of ted cruz. carson is still out there, but i would expect for rubio to make a serious, concerted play for the cruz, carson voters which means that rubio may be sounding even more conservative in his pitch to those voters. >> all right. >> fascinating. >> nicolle wallace, i don't know what you meant about karma. thank you very much. another break for our coverage. we are back from las vegas and points east after this.
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so we won the evangelicals. we won with young. we won with old. we won with highly educated. we won with poorly educated. i love the poorly educated. we're the smartest people with the most loyal people, and you know what i really am happy about, because i have been saying it for a long time. 46% with the hispanics. 46%. number one with hispanics.
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this is msnbc's coverage of the gop nevada caucus live from the terrace in las vegas at omnia. >> we are here at at cesars palace. 1:37 a.m., we have been talking so much about ted cruz, his performance in this state tonight. what that campaign can expect in the days ahead. let's ask our correspondent who covers the cruz effort, hallie jackson. are they -- i mean, if we consider what's been discussed here, are they ready for what's coming? >> yeah, tuesday's a huge day. it's a big day.
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you can expect that donald trump will continue attacking cruz exactly like he has been talking him on the issues of being a liar, on the issues of quote/unquote dirty tricks you might say. a couple of things stood out from cruz's remarks a couple of minutes ago. he talked about the most important night of the campaign being one week from tonight. not the expectations game you might expect, but the campaign i can tell you is feeling very confident about how they'll do specifically in texas. you heard the senator saying he's ready to get back home to texas. so the campaign, when he asked the campaign about how cruz at least from our entrance polling has lost evangelicals and very conservatives to trump, the campaign aide is telling me that person is not losing sleep over it. talk to them on tuesday. that's sort of the campaign's line here. they're feeling strong about how all they perform in the s.e.c. primary states particularly in the south where there's a bit of a culture that they believe meshes well with cruz supporters.
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we're talking about evangelicals. so there doesn't seem to be a shift in strategy moving forward with cruz. instead, his campaign is getting specific on the congressional districts. areas where they believe that they can either hold marco rubio below the delegate threshold or take it to trump and try to win over the delegates and play out this game over the next several days. cruz he explicitly acknowledged that tonight. >> fascinating. never a good sign when a candidate says, hold on, we're going to my home stay. >> part of it is he wants to sleep in his own bed, yeah. >> yeah. i can imagine. you know, and this has been a long campaign already. for all of these guys, so heading home to texas i'm sure is good for him. but it will be very interesting to see if ted cruz is able to compete in those other southern states and it's such an unusual spray of states that we're heading into for super tuesday. we never had this exact array, everything from alaska to
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alabama to vermont, a lot of states in between, southern states. ted cruz said a lot of the states, the republican electorate will be strong second amendment motivated electorate. we don't know how donald trump will play on that issue. it's why he started to talk about his son's membership in the nra, for example. so many unknowns in terms of what happens next. >> in another version of this campaign, ted cruz would not be heading home tonight because he has texas wrapped up. nothing in doubt in texas, so what texas is now doing, that tightening with trump it is taking ted cruz away from states he needs to be spending time in. to win on that same day that he needs to win texas. he's now defending in texas. something he never thought he was going to have to do. >> because it's an absolute must win. >> as we said the closest thing we had as of yet to a national primary. chris matthews, patiently waiting at new york, new york. following our entire discussion these past few minutes. chris? >> yeah, rachel -- what rachel
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just said was great. you know a guy has problems if he said i'm heading home to my state. it reminds me after you lose the first two games of the world series, we're headed home. but you're still down two to zero. guys for all more than a week out here on the street, i guess we should thank them for letting us use the street, but it's a great organization here. of course new york, new york, you do feel like you're in new york. i want to say something a little bit. because you have gone back to my speech writing days. i think what is telling quickly tonight, looking at the two speeches we just saw, trump and then cruz. cruz talks like he at a desk somewhere. i'm going to -- i'm not going to sign an amnesty bill. i'm going to vote -- i'm going to veto an obamacare bill. i'm going to name judges -- like sitting behind a desk somewhere like a legislator voting on stuff. he's a government man.
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even though he's a right winger he's a man of government, endure work. trump is completely different. he doesn't talk about the government. he talks about the country. he talks about the country all the time. either you have a country or we don't, he says. either we have a country or you don't. he's big. how we won't get kick around anymore. he's running for the head of the country and this little guy, cruz, is running to be chief executive of the bills that pass his desk. it's not grand or joyous, it's not important. so i think we saw a lot in the little speeches that tell you why cruz is doing what he's doing heading back to the alamo i guess you have to say. to defend himself back there. whereas trump is marching on because i think he's speaking big about the country and with trump it's always at its heart about our country and whether you dislike everything he says about it, he's appealing to that sense of country better than any of the others are, including hillary. back to you guys. >> all right, chris matthews down the block.
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to our viewers, we want to let you know we're assembling a small -- >> very small. >> -- group of our correspondents who have come off the streets, out of caucus locations and ballrooms. with a little trail mix to tell us what it's -- >> this is how we learn everything that's really going on on the ground both at the events and with the campaigns. we get all of our information both on camera and off camera particularly off camera from these guys. in terms of what's going on. so getting them in one place and debriefing us on the real state of the state is invaluable. we don't get to do it very often but we're about to do it right now. >> some of the reporters you have come to know and love right after this.
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welcome back to the strip in las vegas. before we sign off from here, it's very important to hear from a very good friend of ours. a woman who made a lot of fantastic contributions to our coverage the last time we were at this and again tonight and that is nicolle wallace, our silent sentinel holding down the fort in new york. >> i was waiting to see who you were talking about. i was like, who could this be? thank you. >> we have a file service group that we'll explain in a moment. but i need to hear your wit and wisdom one last time as they say
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on tv, what have we just learned tonight? >> well, listen, my phone's been blowing up the last 45 minutes with three messages -- one, why are you still awake? two, i think this thing is over. and three, are we all going to be okay? i mean, i think this is thing is over, i hope we'll all be okay. i would only stay up for the two of you. >> wow. we feel the same way. we'll only do this if we know you're there. hopefully next time we'll be smushed together. thank you very much. you have young family members at home so i'm with the what are you still doing up camp. it's really late where you are. thanks very much. >> thank you, guys. >> now, to explain why we're in the bottle service area here at caesars palace, jacob soboroff just came off the road. hallie jackson trying to get through traffic is going to be unsuccessful. >> this is rush hour in las
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vegas. >> i know. people are just getting up. you're missing the best part of the day. it's chilling to hear is this over? >> i think this is over. i think this is over. i have been to these rallies in the south. he gets these crowds, the crowds like you're not seeing anywhere else. >> i keep mentioning mobile, alabama. >> mobile, alabama, had 20,000 plus people and that was in august. those are general election crowds and he was getting in over a year before the election. gets the crowds in arkansas. he gets those crowds in ohio. 10,000 in ohio where john kasich is governor. he gets those crowds in florida. he gets those crowds in texas. >> he gets big crowds in vermont and massachusetts. >> he does. >> i mean, in places -- like there isn't a place in the country he isn't playing right now. >> absolutely. i said this over and over again, but he's won in the north. he's won in the south. he's won in the far west. he's cutting across all of the voting blocs. ted cruz is going after the evangelicals. donald trump is going after
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everybody. >> so one of the things that we can see watching all this public events as we see how he's changing as a candidate, how he changes his message. elise was talking about how his message changes and he can target what he's talking about. has his campaign actually matured as well? meaning, have they grown and gotten stronger in a way they'll be able to handle the rigors of a general election if he's the nominee which it looks like he will be? >> i think they'll have the benefit of the rnc behind them and that can help and hurt him. he's running the nontraditional campaign, he's not listening to anybody. doesn't have any polling or -- and no pollster and he goes on social media to find out what the people are saying. the rnc comes with baggage. i mean, they come with donors. he's been running off of a campaign that is self-funded. so we'll see how that plays out. the campaign has certainly matured in the sense they have a lot more control on their
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candidate. and they have more control over the media message. they have clamped down with everybody in the press. you can't get a word out of them most days. on the simplest things. this goes for all of the networks, what is your ground game like in texas? no comment. they don't like talking about anything. >> they can't control their candidate entirely. we saw jacob soboroff get a donald trump interview. >> at the user end of this normally. you're where the rubber meets the road, where the ballots are cast. tonight you got the candidate. >> i've heard you, katy, talk about how this man breaks -- everybody talk about how this man breaks every political rule in the book. he broke the rules of the machinery of democracy. he showed up in the middle of the election, people literally left their ballots on the table, ran across the room to see the guy. who knows if they went back and put the ballot in the box. to me that's emblematic of what's going on. i don't know if they cared. they wanted to touch him or feel him.
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i don't what about what he wanted to the at the place. he was attacking -- taking votes away from you. >> it was so great when you realized he walked in the door, but you said glenn beck is here speaking -- >> i mean, probably thought he was the biggest big shot in the room and donald trump walks in the door. the other thing i think was the top line of the entire thing is that donald trump likes your charts on your show. he said he loves your charts. >> he said that as if she's toiling and forgive me in the graphic department by day. >> you do make the graphics right? >> you know, i don't like to brag -- no, he likes the picture. just to be clear, was glenn beck still actively giving his spiel for ted cruz when trump walked in? >> no doubt about it. i don't know what happened, i didn't see. here's glenn beck and everybody goes, here's donald trump. it was sort of one of these kind of moments for glenn beck
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tonight. >> wow. he was call on people to fast for ted cruz and he said that god killed antonin scalia in order to make ted cruz a supreme court justice. i can't imagine what this will do. >> look at today, the republicans on the judiciary committee all signed a letter saying we want the next president to choose the next supreme court justice. >> a big story today that we didn't talk about today. >> tomorrow morning in washington, that what that means from their perspective is we are saying we want donald trump to choose the next supreme court justice. and that can become a really important -- much more important issue than you'd normally expect it to be. >> i wonder if they'll still feel that way tomorrow morning. >> in pure partisan terms they'd rather have republican president donald trump pick somebody even if they hate donald trump and they can't imagine him as their standard-bearer they'd rather have that, than have this
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current president pick somebody. >> elise, i feel bad about the florida thing, so we have two home states coming up, florida and texas and a juggernaut of a trump campaign. any last request? >> i still think cruz will come out ahead in texas. >> what about florida? >> for rubio, not looking good. they have to have florida if they're going anywhere. it's part of their march 15th let's win these three of the winner take all states and rack undelegates quickly. they have a long way to go to make that happen. >> but there's still plenty of reasons to hang in here. a lot of proportional states coming up. look, rubio picked up delegates tonight. so did cruz pick up delegates and trump is going to pick up 15 if gets up to 50% here. the others are picking up delegates. why would they give this up? if they believe -- if it still
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looks like they could actually drive this thing all the way to the convention and deny trump the number of delegates he needs going into the convention. why wouldn't they take it into the convention if they could? >> a couple of things before we go. number one, about what becomes our portable workplace on the road. on this unseasonably cold night in the middle of the strip in las vegas. it may not matter much to the folks at home, but it matters greatly to us. that at noon today this was just a porch where people hung out. none of this was here. we made television tonight thanks in large part to our incredible folks who fly from long island city, new york and arrive here like an invading electronic coffee fueled army and set up and the circus moves on the next day and the next day. so there's that. also to our hosts here at caesars palace, i was looking into the history. this is where evel knievel jumped the fountain, where celine dion the artist and
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